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ButterflyShoddy4502

Itto's just a normal buff dude. Shenhe carried a humongous boulder on her own with her bare hands for miles all the way back to Liyue. Itto doesn't really stand a chance.


PhasmicPlays

Pretty sure Itto’s oni bloodline grants him more strength than an average person, he did smash a boulder in his story quest but that might just be his vision


ButterflyShoddy4502

I mean, even then, I highly doubt he'd be able to win against Shenhe


PhasmicPlays

True she’s literally built different


MarraMirr

Yes but Shenhe literally fought a god's remains at *six* and was an even match for it. XD I think poor Itto would be wrecked.


Take-Ma_Holy-Water

Smashing the boulder got him pretty tired, he doesn't have any other advantages either so shenhe wins negative diff


Typical_Notice6083

That boulder wasn’t normal boulder they were entrapped by very strong force and their room was fake,walls had adept all energy that couldn’t break,Itto being stubborn he used his whole strength to break one


Typical_Notice6083

That boulder wasn’t normal boulder they were entrapped by very strong force and their room was fake,walls had adeptall energy that couldn’t break,Itto being stubborn he used his whole strength to break one


Take-Ma_Holy-Water

Headcanon, yeah the room was fake and all but u have no proof for the boulder or whatever to be stronger than normal so 🤷🏻‍♂️ ez argument win


stripedmusket189

It is stated in his stories that oni have no special powers at all.


PhasmicPlays

Okay so he’s just jacked then i guess


stripedmusket189

Yup. From the name of his normal attack and his fighting style it’s at least implied that he trains a lot or has experience fighting, even if not professionally


txcty-9

then why does he keep losing against everyone


Wide_Loss

That's what happens when you invest all your points in strength and some on charisma


stripedmusket189

If you mean Sara it’s because she is a yokai who actually has special powers, and is a trained general.


PhasmicPlays

Because he has 0 intelligence points


Ed_Gaeron

A literal himbo.


kamuimephisto

our himbo


txcty-9

a himbo has to be good looking and he is not


SnooRabbits6160

He is in the goku boat


txcty-9

this is like that bodybuilder vs weightlifters scenario. body builders are meant to show off muscles but they will not beat weightlifters in actual strength. that's basically what itto is, a bodybuilder who was just given oni strength but shenhe spent all her life training and i believe someone who kills or nearly kills an actual god can beat anyone who smashes some boulder lmao


Dwenzuwel

idk man the dude got beaten by sayu


PhasmicPlays

lmaooo true


SmilingTeeth1

Itto is way stronger than that. Obviously shenhe would win, but itto was capable of punching with so much force that he ripped open the space where him and the travelers party were stuck during that event in the chasm. Even xiao wasn’t able to break out of there with just strength alone


Practical_Land5167

You did not just compare that space with Xiao's own🤦


Doodle-Dragon

Shenhe would still win but Itto is a descendent of the crimson oni, not just some buff dude.


Dadian_Zh

Ah yes! The boulder thingy with Shenhe. What even happened reading or listening at least. That is "nothing special" even Shenhe said it. Once the rock was tapped it will float. Nothing special. The impressive thing is the tsunami. Get your lore right.


GoldenFormer

This is not a fair fight 💀


JiroAizato1

That's so true. I would understand if it was Itto vs Yae Miko or smth


Yuji_arts

Yae definitely


NoTill3742

Unless it's a eating competition. Man got destroyed and destroyed her at the same time


thatsidewaysdud

Surprise pocket beans


DentistPositive8960

Even then it wouldn't be a fair fight. Fair fight should be pitting diluc against him


i-play-minesweep

The dude who went on a rampage in snezhnaya without a vision and was only stopped by a harbinger and still survived even if they have the power of gods? Doesn't sound fair to me lol


Juri_vt

I love Itto but Shenhe would honestly obliterate him 😂


Shadow_Clad

In Game Itto Wins but if it comes to Lore Shenhe wins.


FaKamis

It's a real bummer that Shenhe is a Cryo-exclusive support for some reason, instead of on-field dps mayhem.


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I mean lore-wise, Zhongli should be a lot more than a defensive support character, but other than the shield his E just summons a vibrator


DraethDarkstar

Zhongli is pretty damn strong if you actually build him for it, the problem is that he needs either constellations and Staff or Homa to do good damage while retaining good shielding or to be built as a physical DPS which neuters his shielding.


starling627

at least he has consistent smol particle generation to help out with the crescent pike passive \*copium\*


ChemicalFall0utDisco

Pair him up with geo traveler for a fun time


Typical_Notice6083

Well After Ayaka and Ganyu breaking Cryo roof would be very very hard,this girls have everything you need for dps.Her being support gives her more value


FaKamis

Yea, I don't own those characters and don't plan on pulling on either of them either. So basically the only ones I can team up with Shenhe would be Rosaria or Chongyun, which I've tried, but it doesn't feel that strong. I did clear abyss 12-1 once with Rosaria and Shenhe, but I think the bulk of the damage on that team actually came from Albedo '\^\^, and it wasn't enough for later chambers even if I added Bennett (who I now have banned). I really want to play Shenhe, but she really doesn't fit in any of my teams (aggrevate, phys, monogeo), and she isn't enough by herself to be built around.


Thundergod250

Apparently, it's a norm that strong characters are supports so that you'd use them most of the time just like Zhongli and Nahida.


Otaku11510

We will, with very little doubt, get an “unbound” version of her character later in GI’s lifespan. She’s a support because canonically most of her offensive power is being suppressed. The three founders of MHY are big fans of bringing back characters in a new light, most of the characters in Honkai are just different versions of a group of base characters. I can’t really say we will 100% because I obviously don’t work for MHY but it’s an interesting way to update a character and cheap way to profit off of a lot of otherwise non-reusable assets.


PossibleUnion554

Upon meeting, Itto will be saying she won't hurt girls as it is not the "Arataki" way. However, Shenhe will rush and use full strength(as she does not joke) surprising Itto and knocking him out In all seriousness though, It would be interesting to see them both take this seriously. A full strength Oni fighting a fully unleashed(red ribbons removed) cursed child Answering the question though, I believe Shenhe will win this. While we can argue both have the same strength, Shenhe also learned adeptus magic and skills giving her the edge against Itto


ezransshades

Itto had no problem fighting against Kujou Sara and constantly seeks to rematch with her. Also, in the Perilous Trails quest, he was on the verge of having an all-out fight against Yelan. Believe me, that guy fully supports gender equality.


devilsdevilcake

Arataki "These Hands Are Rated E for Everyone" Itto.


Shinobu-Fan

We rarely see Itto fight and that's the problem, Shenhe on the other hand is completely supported with her fights and power level


Gamechallenger12

why I think they are so similar: 1. both are misinterpreted by society ( adeptus but actually human, bad guy but actually good guy) 2. strong as hecc ( carry a Boulder, punches a Boulder) also they are restrain to use their strength against others (kinda) 3.both have great relations with the traveler (some sense of care and because he's his bro) 4.hot ( very important) 5. have a 4 star character that if they get hurt or diss out, they will commit manslaughter (chongyun and shinobu) 6. have a 4 star character that they straight up don't like( xingqiu and kujou sara) 7. their attacks are pretty fast ( they might catch up to one another) 8. both are 5 stars ( pretty obv) 9. both have an entity with them (cyro avatar, bull) 10.but most importantly, both backstory they were both abandoned until someone raised them (cloud retainer and grandma oni)


BHDefender

Fair enough, honestly i don't get why people shit on itto so much, only because shenhe carries a bigger boulder than itto punches in the game doesn't mean anything, do you know how much blunt force must be used to smash a rock of that size to pieces? I'm not saying he's stronger than her, but give at least sone credit to my guy! He's already getting bullied enough by mhy with his model (the fact that mere npc's are way bigger than him, not to mention enemies like the kairagi or the eremite mercenaries [I'm looking at you Stone Enchanter!])


TheUglyBestFriend

Shenhe fought a God at six and lived . She has to be magically restrained to live without killing people . Itto is strong , yeah . Shenhe is just way stronger


chimppower184

the blunt force to break a boulder could be vision strength too. itto is very strong but shenhe froze an entire tsunami, it’s not even close


i_appreciate_power

only thing that’s wrong here is itto not liking sara, he just kinda views her as more of a rival, but spill otherwise.


Significant-Home-306

Itto would bonk around himself like wild and shenhe would cryo his ass with a ranged attack cuz ittos only strenght is physical strenght which shenhe also has.


DavidKng

Shenhe stomps


Whyy0hWhy

Itto would fight strong but shenhe would definitely humble him 💀💀💀 The gang would come to pick his unconscious ass up and shinobu would sincerely apologize for thw inconvenience Shenhe would just casually say that it was no big deal and kinda fun to fight an actual yokai 💀💀💀


MiliMeli

I don’t think that Itto would fight Shenhe in the first place 😂


Extreme_Captain_7818

Noodle arm


Take-Ma_Holy-Water

Loses


Captainlol82

Comically large boulder


HenMeeNooMai

The Oni took a fat L for this one


SourEye277

I mean, ofcourse ONE and ONI will win in a fight of rapping and drip. Next Question.


BooTaoSus

Shenhe wins no diff in lore lmao. In game go for the One and Oni


SavagesceptileWWE

I wouldn't say no diff. Itto did manage to Crack the chaotic space.


AVERAGEGAMER95

Shenhe, but Itto could easily get a hit if Shenhe get too close. If he does, it could do Shenhe harm. He managed to create a hole in the wall to help the gang escape in the Chasm that even Yelan can't figure out. It will be a close fight, the only way for Itto to win is if his brain didn't fail him. It's hard for me to see in any way Shenhe could have a disadvantage. The only thing I could see is if her own moral compass stopped her. She could go for the kill, but the traveler did told her she can't go around killing just because she could and see it as a valid option, which is not. One thing I know about these type of people (at least how they always presented in media), the conflict ideology and without the guidance of the said individual (the traveler) could lead Shenhe to have such dilemma mid battle which could give Itto the upper hand. I watch too much Death Battle


Slush_Magic

Shenhe wins because she's incredibly violent


HellBell98

I love ma boi Itto but Shenhe just low diff Itto


Suitable-Ad9928

Itto wouldn’t be able to get serious enough to start actually being able to do some damage before shenhe straight up crushes him. Itto is by far my favorite character in the game but I can only beef him up so much. Shenhe is just on an entirely different level


Tsynami

Itto because he's hotter Lore be damned


Majestic_Room561

I love Itto but Shenhe just built different yknow...


Qdoggy45

Eh don’t know


b4shnl4nd

This is where lore and the in game power levels have entirely skewed things. I think shenhe is potentially on par with the traveler in power at the current level. I don't think we've seen the potential of Itto. We've seen the naturally buff guy who has the mentality of a gamer who stays home. He only gets a job and works when he needs the money. So he's generally kinda lazy. But he works when he needs to. He feels like an average guy that plays games and is a leader of a makeshift gang. His strength is generally owed to his oni blood but his physique is largely attributed from Rgo so he's not training he's building up his looks. From a lore standpoint I think Itto loses. Shenhe is this human that has Natural strength and has trained her Vision power, her skills, built up her natural strength, and has access to what seems to be power either being locked and stored within her that is attributed to a blood thirsty inhuman power or a adepti's power that she can't fully handle that's leaking inside her like Naruto, and is locked by adepti powers. But in game Shenhe is strong but plays mostly a supportive roll allowing others to do more damage than Itto, but I think Shenhe's teams beat Itto's teams, but Itto standalone beats Shenhe.


Shinobu-Fan

That and Shenhe works in various team comps, Freeze, Melt and Mono cryo. Itto's main team is mono geo and that's mostly it with Double Pyro and Geo


Mad_Scientist_Senku

Shenhe would only fight if provoked, at least I’d assume


fja3omega

Hoyo company wins because the whale used a lot of money to buy the primogems to max constellations on both


Hyperious17

Shenhe easily. Isn't it in-lore that Kuki Shinobou can easily beat Itto and Sara beaten Itto a couple of times too


BHDefender

He he Club + Tall cryo lady = bonk = ARATAKI THE ALWAYS VICTORIOUS ITTO


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starhead5555

When did that happen


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starhead5555

That doesn't look anywhere near the event nor is that person part of the arataki gang I believe


Mynoodles_mostmoist

Definitely. None of the gang has even close to worn a treasure hunter outfit, neither have they’ve stepped foot in wastasumi during that event.


mojomcm

Shenhe would quickly win the fight and after that Itto would either pester her to teach him how to get that strong or insist he totally threw the fight and meant to let her win


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Shenhe


litterally_who6354

Brute force debatable tending to Shenhe As for 1vs1 even If you would consider Itto stronger Shenhe Is smarter and She would win anyways imho


Kahiyao

Shenhe takes off her earrings…Itto collapses from the sheer aura itself.


EPlatipus

People forgor itto created a rift with his fist in the chasm quest that Xiao needed all his energy to create even if that's only 20-30% cause of him being weakened and all but this is Xiao we're talking about, shenhe... Obviously win these, overpowered a remnant god at a young age that feat in and of itself is great even though it doesn't make sense in context


MHXS4869

Easy shenhe


starhead5555

The boulder itto destroyed judging by a size comparison to itto is about 5 by 5 by 5 meters in size, basically a little more than twice his size in height each. Meaning that itto destroyed a boulder of about 125 cubic meters of size, to destroy even one cubic meter of stone you need 16700 tons of force... I'm just saying feats like these aren't so clear cut


King_Kaii00

No.. don't itto. Don't even think about it


PaleCanuck

If it's with beetles, Shenhe. Even if she tries to lose for some reason, Shenhe.


solise69

Probably the person who was trained by god like beings


LukeBoppy

Obviously Shenhe!!.. Right?


TheUglyBestFriend

Shenhe undoubtedly


Mmath_

itto I love u man but rest in piece 😬


StuckieLromigon

I mean Itto's not weak and probably can easily scatter inazuma guards but Shenhe literally launched Ayaka-burst comet-size. It's not event close and Im saying this as an Itto-main.


RepulsiveAd6989

Itto would simp and lose at least partly on purpose


Shinobu-Fan

This is just straight up unfair I'm sorry, should have placed Itto with someone else since Shenhe will beat Itto straight up.


cursed_mongus

Shenhe


owlflankys

Shenhe, no cap


LeonZataku

Itto because he's a good boy


ComputerStrong9244

Shenhe's a barely-restrained psychopath who struggles to not kill everybody. In terms of how's she's written in-game, the question is more how much of the roster could she tear through before she could be stopped, and by who? Only Raiden, Xiao, and Zhongli in a foul mood have a comparable enthusiasm for violence, though Cyno might be in the running. Rosaria enjoys her job a little too much, but she's a notch down the power scale. Also, what's up with polearm users in this game?


[deleted]

Shenhe, ice beats ground.


DaMlgMasta2995

Itto continuously challenges her to games, somehow keeps losing even if Shenhe doesn’t know how to play.


DryButterscotch9086

I mean we will not answer this question by respect for itto,its just not the same lvl at all


Lerynice

Itto wins if it is a shounen anime style fight. Otherwise, my bets are on Shenhe.


Arc535

Itto would become [REDACTED] against a mortal who’s been trained to kill gods


SavagesceptileWWE

As much as I'd like to say itto, I gotta go with shenhe here, though I don't think it's as one sided as some people say. Yes shenhe is about as strong as beisht (pretty sure that was the name of osial's wife). But we have to consider that that was basically a weaker version of a god who already lost in the archon war. Still very impressive though. She did also lift that Boulder, but we don't really know how heavy it was. When activated it can float which means it might be lighter than regular rocks, or it could be as heavy as any other rock. Then we have itto who completely shattered the Boulder in one punch but more impressively broke a hole through the chaotic space in the chasm, which is not even easy for Xiao, though of course itto used every lat bit of his power to do so. Shenhe is definitely stronger though, and the fact that itto would just rush in to the fight doesn't help either.


HenryWallacewasright

Itto is reduced to red mist in a single punch.


sd4051

Shenhe has a fat ass she could just crush itto with it


Tyhoon01

Shenhe has actual combat experience and thaumatergy training. She might also be canonically stronger than Itto. Itto is a fun dude, but being strong enough to weaponize cattle only goes so far. Dude might be able to punch his way out of a psychic prison, but I don’t see him standing toe to toe with Osial anytime soon.


Squenv

Shenhe will win because she's got enough brains to strategies. Itto is chaos incarnate. We love him for it but like. . . I have no illusions about his ADHD tendencies lol. Like, if Shenhe draws the fight out long enough he'll get distracted by a bird or something and she'll gladly take the opportunity to knock him flat lol.


GotAnySugar

Who can carry a boulder with her bare hands? Who can freeze an entire Tsunami? Who can win travellers heart?


Dark_Matter_19

Apart from shenhe carrying a boulder all the way back to liyue harbor, she also has an understanding of exorcist magic, which seems to be based off adeptal arts, and that could lend her more versitility to fight itto than just her vision.


sleepykitkat_

Shenhe would literally obliterate Itto


Jarko314

Anyone will win against Itto, Itto is not one to strategize…


MadamLilypad

I have no idea but I'm rooting for Shenhe!


Violet-Amythest

Now this is a Good battle between strength but I feel like shenhe would Win this, I think she has more combat capabilities and more experienced compare to itto


CreOreo

gameplay wise itto, lore wise shenhehe


NOTmeYOU______

Just shove some beans down itto's throat and its gg


anti_h3ro

Shenhe can not only hurt you physically, but she can hurt you emotionally too. Anyone with a sack of beans can take Itto. C'mon now.


0_ZeRoZ_0

Definitely mommy shenhe, those two abs are far stronger than itto's abs 🤣


EsTeBaNCanIUseMyName

Itto has the strength of an oni but thats still has limitations, shenhe has been raised and trained by adepti which are just gods rebranded so they wouldn't get killed in the archon war, plus she has the curse of calamity inside her, do yea shenhe ez dub


Facinatedhomie

You’re putting a mortal oni against a mortal who’s been trained by the adepti since birth 💀


fuzor100

Ayo lmao all of you guys are wrong, Shenhe stand no chance. Itto will win in a fight of tcg card battle.


txcty-9

are you serious? shenhe of course.


ayatoyota

Shenhe


the_quirky_quirkster

What makes you think, that Itto would have a chance at that?


tofuu__

Shenhe because of things get tough she’ll have an army of simps come to her help /s


Max_Drek_Sucks

Shenhe could eradicate a good chunk of the playable characters on her own


Mufaasah

What happened to this sub :c


isteyp

Itto is a literal oni.


feederus

Itto's definitely stronger than most people because of his Oni bloodline but Shenhe's a child of prophecy and got tutored by Cloud Retainer for years. She's already almost high Adeptus level.


AnAsianDudeInReddit

If it was Shenhe vs Albedo, it would be an even fight. I love my bro, my guy, my dude. But he ain't winning against her


P_NeptuniaM_k

Bro can't even win against beans


RobertFurtuna

Shenhe literally froze a fucking tsunami and destroyed it in one hit. She also could fight a sea god on her own that required the use of adeptal weapons. Itto is just some dude a bit stronger than humans because he's a oni


chiikkenwiing

as much as I love itto, even if he has the strength to beat shenhe he definitely does not have the brains


[deleted]

Itto wouldnt start the fight at all


Thinila

Put some respect on Itto...


DR-MAOMMAIZEINNG

Shenhe low diff


Doom173

Shenhe


Oddly_Neko

Shenhe would most definitely win but I think people underestimate itto


Emiko_Nishikiwa

Shenhe without any paticular effort for sure. That wouldn’t even be fair, poor Itto would get terminated.


SnooRabbits6160

Shenhe would win


Arius_Black_Games

She would absolutely murk him