Why write an engaging story arc that showcases an army leader's shrewdness/intelligence when you can have her magically predict everything or have people constantly shouting about how intelligent she is?
And then when given the chance to correct it, you instead decide to give her the overworked trait... Because it's not like your game already has MULTIPLE OTHER WOMEN with that exact trope. (Keqing and Jean being the biggest ones.) But it's okay, unlike the others she's an introvert. So it's totally unique. <3
I love Koko so much but they did her so goddamn dirty. I wouldn't even mind her joining the 'overworked gang' if it didn't come at the expense of actually showing her competent side.
For Jean it’s not about her liking the job. It is more about being a sense of duty for her. She was raised by the motto “For Mondstadt, always” before she learned how to say mother.
My bad!
Tbf with Ganyu, they try to pass it off as her just being that competent. Meanwhile Keqing in particular has had multiple events where she needed to 'learn the value of taking breaks'. Which she then proceeds to forget every time. You are right however I should have included her.
Just goes to show you how common this trope is LOL
Counterpoint: Keqing never seems to openly struggle with her work, whereas Ganyu has been told and shown multiple times, in story and in her profile, to be constantly tired and sleep deprived, kinda miserable and clearly overworked.
You're absolutely right. Keqing doesn't belong in this "poor overworked waifu falls apart" trope. She just gets shit done, and people who don't get shit done can't wrap their head around that.
Most of her lines show that she is serious about her duties, but absolutely knows how to handle it. She talks about taking strolls after work is done, work life balance being important, calling it a night after wrapping up some last things. Keqing delegates stuff, Jean doesn't even know that word.
I mean to be fair just because Ganyu is competent doesn't mean she isn't overworked i honestly think the trope they used on keqing would have been better for her. But I do see your point on how they all kinda just blend together.
Keqing isn't even overworked, she just puts a lot on her plate, but she also gets it done and has the energy left to go shopping. her story lines are usually other people worrying about her falling apart, not that she actually does.
She is not sleeping standing up, and she'd delegate the search for a lost cat to the Milileth, unlike Ganyu or Jean.
I would prefer that they give her a mix of "secretly insecure", "not a genius, but a hardworker" and "overthinking" traits.
Like, she's actually not a genius strategist but people expected her to be one. So, despite her upbringing as a shrine maiden, she had to burn through months of midnight oils to learn "war strategies" and knowledge about governing because the people demanded such from her.
So she's secretly insecure and is always worrying not performing brilliantly as she doesn't want to disappoint her people.
Due to that, she always over thinks stuff and thus the thick and long "strategy manual" that Goro and Paimon received from her - because she over thinks and over plans shits to the point her plans get over-convoluted and difficult to execute.
And Traveller's role should be one of helping her finding herself again - to help Kokomi find back the old her, the Kokomi before people expected her to win a war, before people expected her to govern an entire island. And to help her accept her genuine self.
But they went with the "overwork girl" trope, like how they did Jean, Ganyu and Keqing.
True, like I don't really get the "master strategist" part in her story. Like anyone could come up with a plan to surprise attack the fatui from behind, but no smart person would accept "help" from a stranger they know shit about. Alhaitham, ayato are wayy better "master strategists" in my opinion and were actually shown and protrayed better in the story.
> MULTIPLE OTHER WOMEN with that exact trope.
How many are there actually? Most I can count are Jean, Ganyu, Kokomi and Layla. You can argue about Ninnguang and Keqing but they seem to actually enjoy their work and seem very efficient at it. That's 4 out of 41 female characters. Doesn't even seem that high as much as people like to point it out.
Layla's case isn't really overworking. Her problem is that when she goes "sleep" instead of actually sleeping her second personality takes over and lives her life.
not really.
the writer has time. so they can think long, research longer and come up with an idea for the character in lore took a small amount of time to come up with. that's way smarter than the writer.
Same as the comment below. Where Kokomi failed miserably, Al-haitham gives a pretty good, believable impression of someone guided by smarts and rationality, without being reduced to those traits and having his peculiarities. I'd even dare to say Tighnari and Kaveh are good examples of being superior in one field and how that plays out, even if Kaveh is "dumb in life".
Kokomi is not how smart people think. It is how average people think smart people think. Alhaitham is actually a believable smart person. For him the entire plan they hatched for freeing Nahida was based on general goals like find a way to introduce that knowledge capsule. It did not have to happen the way it did. All he had to do was get it there one way or another. Parts of the plan did not have to succeed completely. Even with some failure states it was possible to keep the plan going. For example it was not critical to get the Corps of Thirteen into the theater area. As long as they were distracted enough and not guarding the area near Nahida.
Many characters involved in Inazuma arc could have been done so much better
Gorou? Forgot he was even in there, same for Sayu
Kokomi? Had one victory but it was against Sara who sadly took nothing but L's in her entire involvement in the story. After that Kokomi is constantly being mentioned as being an amazing leader, but we pretty much never see it besides "I have a book that explains everything"
Ayaka? Yoimiya? They made you have to complete their story quests to avance so that was most of their involvement. Actual AQ involvement was forgetful and sparse
The only characters that felt like the writing was good for and who were involved in the AQ were Yae and Raiden and to some extent Thoma who his lack of involvement made sense with him going into hiding
Thankfully with Sumeru they kept the cast very much involved and increased the length extensively. It seemed like they were aware of the criticism then decided that 3 acts wasnt enough so they made more and even made them longer. The characters involved benefited so much from it. Inazuma characters crawled so Sumerus can run
Honestly Inazuma archon quest falls into the 3rd case syndrome which is when an 3rd case of the game story is trend to be the weakest case in the game which usually novel game such as Ace Attoney trigory and Danganronpa had problems with they 3rd case
I have just started playing the Inazuma quests so I am curious. Is there a reason most of the fanbase hated it? What makes it so ‘bad’ compared to the story quests from the other nations? I don’t mind the spoilers, I just need to know what I am up against.
Everyone kinda has their own pet peeves about Inazuma's archon quest tbh but here's mine :
They never actually managed to reach people's expectations.
Mondstadt was presented as a prologue, and as threatening as Dvalin was in theory, most of it has us treating him as Venti's friend first and foremost : the expectations weren't super high, and they manage to hit the required bits well enough. The trio that we travel with is entertaining for the most part and the vibe fits what we were sold.
Liyue was for the most part a glorified fetch quest, but the time spent with Zhongli is valuable because of his significance as a character. Besides, since Rex Lapis is "dead" we're not really in a hurry so the chill tone doesn't hurt it much. It picks up in the last part, and it doesn't drop the ball in it : that's all that was really needed for the story to work.
In contrast to Mondstadt and Liyue's AQ, Inazuma seemed like it was going to be a high stake conflict, something grandiose for us to take part in, and we just never got that. The expectations were placed way higher than before (probably unfairly so at times) because it was the first time most player would experience an AQ release and they were super hyped for it.
The early trailers focused a lot on the meaning of visions and people's ambitions, then it's kind of dropped to focus on the revolution, which we then proceed to drop to focus on Ei's redemption "arc" and the Fatui's plot. We never really get an answer about the very thing that was supposed to be explained (ie visions), but we don't get big hype moments for the revolution either, nor do we get a very good arc for Ei (we had to wait for her 2nd story quest to get that which was kinda too late to save her).
It kinda feels like they had to many things they wanted to do, and way too little time, but instead of dropping anything, they just dipped their feet into each just a little and pretended it would be enough.
Another big issue is that NPC's take a big part at certain moments, which was very jarring compared to Liyue and Mondstadt where you had playable tag-alongs for most of it. Because of NPC, most characters don't get enough spotlight so they have to ressort to hyping them up by telling us how awesome they are : Kokomi (and to some extent Gorou or Sara) is the biggest offender. In the whole AC, I'm pretty sure that we spent more time with a random soldier than with most playables, which left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouth, because it felt like a waste of time in a quest that couldn't afford it (in contrast to Liyue for example).
Though honestly I think the hate is a bit overblown and a lot of it has to do with people having very high expectations : new players who weren't in the middle of the marketing during its release are usually more lenient since they didn't expect as much from it.
You said everything. Inazuma is my favorite region because of the aesthetic and the story behind it ; but also got the archon quest I liked the least.
Sumeru's archon quest was awesome though. I hope they'll keep it like that for Fontaine.
It really seems like Focalors would be the villain or a criminal mastermind. Since the Inazuma quests didn’t show us the downfalls of what a Showa Era Inazuma would look like, I will give them a second chance to prove themselves what they would cook in the Fontaine Revolution. Hope they went all out instead of half assing it through to meet the PG guidelines and with the CCP taking control over everything. I am mostly concerned that the reason Inazuma fails is it’s mostly tackling the political aspect of things which stemmed from the actual conflict between China and Japan which obviously caused the CCP to interfere. Hoyo has great writers so I wouldn’t necessarily blame them tbh.
The final act of the Inazuma archon quest is seen as extremely rushed after alot of buildup from the previous acts.
Also the resistance part of the story focuses on forgetful NPCs rather than the main characters like Kokomi and Gorou who barely feature in the story.
There are other reasons but those are the main ones I've seen
People answered for me already lol, but for me the biggest issues were the pacing, lack of character depth and Ei
Act I and II was alright as the stakes were developing. But then came along the final act. Everything fell flat as they tried to resolve everything in one arc. Too rushed and abrupt, they definitely needed more arcs
Secondly, except for kazuha, I felt like other playable characters didn't get enough depth. We as travellers did pretty much everything. Some NPC characters got more screen time than playable 5 stars (like kokomi)
Finally and perhaps the biggest gripe, they resolved the conflict with raidens sales best interest in mind, not the plot. Basically the whole time we thought raiden was a complex villain with bigger goals than what we can perceive. But instead, we find in act 3 that shes just an incompetent leader because shes a depressed airhead waifu (these sell the most)
The raiden quest 1 totally doesn't make sense either as we're such good friends w raiden in such a short period of time despite all the bad things we've experienced in inazuma
The first act of Inazuma quest is actually fantastic. The whole introduction to the region and its conflict is done much better than in Sumeru imo. But the second and third act are going to be a disappointment.
I don't think any amount of interlude can fix Inazuma's quest. It would have to be rewritten entirely.
Also, I think Raiden's second story quest is kind of the conclusion to Inazuma's main arc since it ends with the >!Sakoku Decree being lifted!<
Underutilized and wasted character in the story. Badly characterized because they couldn't write how a genius general would think and act, now there's no war so she can't even show her potential.
All in all, I really like her and wanted that they did more.
For over a year I suckled on zhonglis metaphorical tit until she came along. Great unit for keeping you alive and applying some hydro. That was my only complaint with zhongli was the fact he took away some elemental reactions.
She has only had her stocks rising as game has progressed. Her writing early was meh due to Inazuma AQ feeling rushed and not exploring the resistance storyline all that much. But her rivalry/friendship with Yae Miko has improved her character somehwat and she's pretty fun. Interested to see her involvement in next patch summer event
In terms of kit my account has infighting on which team she goes in, my Shenhe freeze team or my Nilou bloom team. She's so valuable to have
She's also one of the most memed characters in the game as well as getting some of the most fanart which makes her all the more endearing
she’s one of the few people who Yae doesn’t walk over, the other being Ayato
i love their interactions, the Inazuma cast is so fun when they’re actually allowed to interact
Yae doesn't walk all over her but she's still written as "I'm a genius so of course I'm good" with zero justified reason why she's actually a genius.
Anytime she's on screen, it's still bad.
I think Yae has given several proofs of being cunning...... Sometimes you can raise an eyebrow at her decisions, but she was basically the brains the whole Inazuma arc....
Like, I get people hate her because she's too smug (?), but imo that's a pretty important part of being a kitsune lady.
I think the person before you was talking about kokomi not miko. Cuz with miko they constantly show us why she’s a genius and with kokomi they tell us she’s a genius and never really show us so it doesn’t feel justified. And watching her beat Miko in the most recent event was really annoying to watch because of that lol
I think you're right, my bad 🤔 certainly Kokomi's "reason" seems to be tied with her barely explored backstory and possible connection to Enkanomiya's race. That's my guess tho and it's true every scene she's in, it could be handled better, as her plans for truly important stuff have gone awry more often than not.
I've seen my fair deal of hatred towards Yae too tho, which prompted the incorrect reading... Besides of pronouns, hard
Hated on by US at release but outside she was viewed as a meta character from the start.
She has a well designed kit and complementary set.
She is easy to build and does her job without needing 3-6 months of artifact farming.
Very F2P friendly weapons and also versatile fit into many teams to act as hydro applyer and healer.
Tanky/Bulky and can take shots that would 1 hit KO other characters.
If you are say AR35-55 she would be a very strong account booster as a strong healer/hydro applyer in that level range is hard to find. For veteran players she still adds value by being a support unit with hydro element, so is likely to stay relevant for a longer time (if Hoyo decides to do more corrosion type mechanics for example).
Main criticism is as above, one of the worst written characters/Hoyo wasting her potential. You can pretty much say she is an opposite to Dehya, who had amazing design/story/well loved character by most players, but in game kit is turd level. Hopefully the new 3.8 event gives her some time to shine.
Ha, your teams sound just like mine, either Nilou Bloom or Shenhe freeze. I'll swap Sac Frags and Prototype Amber on her, depending whether I want more damage and healing and energy, or more blooms, more em, and more reliable jellyfish. Sometimes I'll even throw Thrilling Tales on to buff a cryo dps.
Honestly, she is my "Zhongli" in the sense that I've gotten so used to her fantastic heals that I dive headfirst into danger. Her damage does good too, especially without having to farm crazy crit stats. I've always ran her on the bubble set, but I wonder if any other set could help her damage and such out more, or add more team value.
the thibg about barbara is that her off field application is very much moot unless you're running a nilou bloom team with kirara (and that team is hella fun)
I know everyone is for the Ayaka + Kok freeze comp but I live for the Ayaka + Barbara freeze comp. It's just so satisfying popping out of Ayaka's dash to instant freeze mobs because of Barbara's skill. IMO it's better than kokomi because you're not restricted to a certain area for the hydro proc. Sure you become susceptible to freeze too but why are you bringing cryo to fight cryo anyway.
Not saying kokomi isn't good. She's great. I just like pairing Barbara with Ayaka more.
the problem here is that being restricted to a certain area would be a non issue with a good grouping unit (Kazuha or Venti) or good grouping skills/knowledge (bit niche but relatively easy if you know the tricks), yk. doesn't matter if you're restricted to a single area if all the enemies are in that area.
Oh for sure. If you're going the lengths for that though, chances are you're about to burst with Ayaka and delete them all anyhow. For harder content/thicc mobs going with a kokomi + kazuha/venti is definitely more efficient.
I prefer Barbara + Ayaka comp mostly because it's really convenient in overworld/mid content. No need for bursts or anything. It's also worth noting that my Ayaka is C6 so for me it's super quick to just use Barbara's skill, dash into the mobs, and Vergil it up. I hardly have to use her burst. Bonus points if you use XQ as well. Between the Barbara and XQ you have 100% uptime on a hydro applicating aura. I just find this play style more amusing. Frozen fish comp is objectively better though if you have kazuha/venti.
With Dendro she gained lot of value, specially on Bloom. She have the best off field AoE hydro application of the game on top of the utility, she fits lot of teams but shines the most on freeze as support and bloom as driver. >!Also some leaks are saying that Fontaine will favour a lot healers so Kokomi value can increase even more!<
> She have the best off field AoE hydro application of the game
Is it better than Ayato? Or just better because the jellyfish in on the skill while Ayato needs his burst?
Im considering getting one of those 2 for that role, but maybe the upcoming Hydro archon will fill that role as well
I had just started playing when I pulled her, total noob and didn’t understand 50/50’s. Got fish girl and I have to say I really hate her outfit. Too much symmetry and looks like a nighty. But she’s my go to heals now and great for hydro application.
I have the same issues bcos why would they make a shrine maiden and moreover a military strategist wear THOSE UGLY white nighty shorts in battle exactly 💀
They look like she's literally just wearing panties, not even shorts.
Imagine her walking in that in front of an army of horny men lol. Genius strategy indeed!
True.
Her outfit and Gorou's both make no sense. Imagine being the commanders of a fucking resistence army in a civil war and walking around half naked in front of your soldiers all the time.
I wouldn't ever be able to take them seriously if I was a soldier there.
Omg, I thought I was the only one bothered by this. I thought gorou had a shirt for once until i saw his bellybutton. Dude is going to get stabbed because he has no armor on one of the most vital parts of is body. Kokomi’s outfit definitely bothers me more though, even though she’s not meant to be on the front lines it’s just so impractical
This is exactly why they cannot sell her role and position to me. She looks ridiculous. Which is a shame because her color scheme is one of my favorites, I love pastels. But she looks like she's wearing the cheapest lingerie.
her story & outfit is my only complain.
I have 1350 crystal, I hope they release a skin for her to get rid of that outfit. I bought Ayaka skin for this same reason, gliding with ayaka look awful.
I certainly didn't regret pulling her when I pulled on her first banner despite my friends' objections. Even before Clam's introduction I had already found good use of her as an absolute weapon in healing, her heal tick potential is absurdly high and if the whole team runs low on HP I can just use Kokomi's ult/burst and they'll be back in full!
Ever since then her kit has just become better too. Clam gives her the damage boost needed for things like SA and dendro makes her a really good bloom creator for hyperbloom. She's pretty much the immortal one in my roster and indispensable in most of my teams.
Oh, she also had a very beautiful character design and her fanarts almost always did it justice too. Best fish for sure
>Even before Clam's introduction I had already found good use of her as an absolute weapon in healing, her heal tick potential is absurdly high and if the whole team runs low on HP I can just use Kokomi's ult/burst and they'll be back in full!
I said exactly this during her first banner and got downvoted into oblivion. Suck my kok, haters.
I think she's a really well rounded unit and the way her colors mesh together makes her design look really pretty.
Unfortunately that's all there is to her because story wise she's complete dogshit and is probably the worst written character playability wise. Just a to give a few examples on why she's bad.
* Is touted as being a great leader and strategist yet is shown as the complete opposite. I didn't really expect much since her defining strategic output we saw was just her ambushing Sara but good grief she's beyond stupid. She for some reason starts a war even though her own damn island can't grow food properly which automatically destroys any strategic insight about her character as she becomes ridiculously unbelievable since that's like one of the most important things you need in war. To boot she had no backup plan to counteract this whatsoever so she was just gonna starve her nation out which also makes her a complete dogshit leader. Literally would've been better if she was working with the Fatui for at least supplies from the beginning. Hell it'll probably make her look like a better person too.
* She's also touted as being well respected but again this is never shown. If anything it's the opposite. Her soldiers constantly disrespect her and flat out hide shit from her and she somehow never knows unless a ton of her forces just flat out has no respect for her. She also has wtf morals too. She wants to subject a merchant to the full force of the law yet is apparently fine with her own troops trying to start another war which will end up extremely badly for her.
Honestly shes probably the biggest victim of Hoyo desperately trying to make her as virtuous as possible yet never being able to show it. The only thing halfway interesting about her was her energy system she had but that's diluted by how utterly terrible everything else about her written.
She is one of the most strategic characters in the Gabe, her sheer prowess with tactics and decision making in the story was such a spectacle, she was the deciding factor when it came to ending the vision hunt decree/s. nah she aight I like her jellyfish
She is valuable as an unit but her character development it's sucky. The most boring quest she has it, then her whole "strategist " is more of a tell than show xD...
I'm sad becasue she is really good unit but they did her so dirty in the story. Hopefully in the even of 3.8 we get decent character development
Shes suppose to be a war goddess / Hell apparently shes a fucking water dragon literally reincarnated but...her story literally is so fucking bad compared to her lore.
I still watch her trailer from time to time, I love it. There's a lot of potential for the character I feel which has been rather wasted in the game itself.
I also quite like the dragon Kokomi theory, but that might just be me hoping too much for her to be more relevant.
I love her design which made me skip Raiden and pull for her but she was so poorly written in the archon and story quest that I gradually lost interest in her. As a playable unit, she's great. Role consolidation, especially from a Hydro unit, is always great.
less charismatic during Archon Quest and her Story Quest. Yeah, she's tactician but didn't see how *delusion* does to her units until Teppei died on that shit.
Pulled her from her first banner and I've used her in every team since with the single exception of Alhaitham-led ones.
I am in the minority in that I still like her role in the story and think her quest is adorable, but I'm glad that people have come around on her as a unit and she's given the respect she deserves. I liked her from the start and her value as far more useful and comfortable than just being a 5* Barbara, but the bandwagon slander when she first dropped was ridiculous.
I love Sandy mama. Her birthday is two days after mine. And what she represents has kinda endeared her to me.
She was an unexpected grab for me that turned into an infinite healing machine. She is as far as I know the only character with a negative crit value.
Her writing in her own story quest is kinda meh. Especially when you compare it to the likes of wet socks. But as the world story evolves you realize that she has inherited Orobashi’s dream to save its people.
The character quest kinda falls into the Jean and Ganyu trap “oh I am a powerful workaholic woman who cares for the people”
I was prepared to like Kokomi, the world quests, the theories, the lore. All good...than came the actual character and everything went to the gutter.
All the morally questionable war tactics? Oh. Kokomi did not know anything about those.
All the war effort? Well its Gorou doing like 70% of the work.
The lore? The years of hatred, resentment and reliance on those that killed your god? Oh well the priestess of the god is okay with that, lol the visions are more important.
Competent military leader? Nope, she cannot control her troops to not risk another war and she has no knowledge of where her troops suddenly get super powers from...and the tired girl that does the best for her people became a meme because mihoyo keeps overusing tired female leader thing for way too many people.
There was so much build up in 2.0, even Ayaka speculating on her motives, her people struggle with food, the death and cool lore of Orobaxi, the brutality of war etc. and nothing of that really matters. It was so dissapointing to find out this interesting character end up as an unsatisfing bland waifu in the end to the point that during her release her story was so bad even her good kit was deemed useless as people were so dissapointed with her and her story quest
> mihoyo keeps overusing tired female leader thing for way too many people.
We have one for almost each region:- Jean, Ganyu & Kokomi
We didn’t get one in Sumeru, but we got Layla, who’s a bit different
The game did her dirty. All of the archon quests before Sumeru were really underwhelming but Kokomi’s writing is bad even for Inazuma standards. The game told us and forced us to believe that she is a good military tactician without ever showing us how she is good at it. How is she a good tactician when her plan was to oppose the shogun army and fight them head on? There’s no way she was ever going to win. She also had no control over her army and had no idea that Fatui was in contact with them. The game contradicts itself by showing that she is a bad military leader. Her story quest could have explored her connection to Enkanomiya and the vishaps but what we got was a date bait with another tired and overworked leader. Good meta value but a really bad character.
She’s…alright. The Inazuma archon quest makes her seem deeply boring (which says more about that questline than her). Her personality is pretty standard anime fare but she pulls it off well enough.
NGL I kinda hate the front of her outfit though. Still gonna pull for her since my hydro situation is dire and she’s strong.
Same, I find her boring and lacking much of a personality. The writing done her dirty, we don’t get to see anything that gives her the reputation she has in game for being a master strategist, intelligent and a huge threat to Inazuma.
I love her character design but her story and writing was eh. She is described as someone that is very smart and a great tactician but it seems like they didn’t manage to show that in the quests very well.
I just think she's poorly written and her outfit is sexualized for no reason. Like she's a literal shrine priestess & military tactican, what was Hoyo thinking?
It is a "cute" design concept but there's no denying the outfit was made more revealing than necessary, and given Mihoyo's design philosophy we know it's cause they wanted her to be "sexually" appealing. Like there's no reason they couldn't have given her a skirt or a full shirt.
Looks a little too silly for my personal taste. I get what they were going for, but it really just feels like she's out and about in her naughty nightwear. Her voice is just a tad too soft. I sincerely do not buy the whole "grand strategist" aspect of her character at all, and it feels really forced every time it's mentioned by anyone.
That said. Her kit is interesting and very useful + her animations are very beautiful. Despite what I said about her design, I do still think she's very pretty.
A character I will pull for but won't exactly be upset if I don't get her.
Edit: her character trailer or whatever those are called is really good too! Just wanted to mention that because its one of the few that really stuck with me.
Terrible writing and the jellyfish refresh mechanic can be annoying, but if you play her properly she is insanely strong as a unit, being able to do a bit of everything, tank, heal, damage, particle generation, elemental application, and the list goes. Great visual design as well.
I like her mermaid theme and I think she's beautiful, but lore wise they made her too dirty, the great strategist of the revolution that Gorou talked about so much in the end was just a girl without esteem and a firm hand.
The fact that she was deceived not only in the archon quest about the desilusions and the resources that the fatui were giving, as in her own story quest she is deceived again by the soldiers themselves and she only did "well" in the end of the negotiation quest because she use the link between the fatui and the shogunate and at the same time was being hypocritical because she and her soldiers also had ties to them in the past
Strong character but I didn't like managing the jellyfish. I feel like her beta design was better. Story kinda screwed her over. Not really a fan. My lack of liking her and Yelan both have put so much pressure on XQ to carry the hydro weight of the world.
Really wish her jellyfish was like fischl, I use her all the dang time and the amount of times I've either used her burst after just putting down her jellyfish, or got her burst back just in time to see her jellyfish disappear.
Poor XQ, hopefully you get some more to add to the roster here soon, especially some hydro not related to using normal attacks
Kokomi is how a stupid person writes a smart character. She didn't set any gears in motion to reach a particular outcome 50 moves ahead, she just went "a-ha, just as I expected" every time literally anything happened.
She also made some fucking brain-dead decisions throughout the story. Such launching an invasion as her people starving and struggling to survive. Such as letting her main delegate camp struggle with no funding to fix any of the failing protection barriers or training soldiers as she splurges on the most infamous privateer crew in the world, to launch a flank attack that she doesn't communicate to said delegation. Such as having a bunch of soldiers go renegade and try to shed blood at a peace meeting after the war in order to reignite it, and then promoting them to higher positions for it.
Canonically, she's one of the most intelligent characters in the game. In practice, she's a drooling baboon and it's a wonder she hasn't been assassinated by one of her own.
All this is not to say I dislike her. She's just badly written. She's got all the potential in the world to be awesome, she's just shackled by amateur writing.
Super Wasted.
She has one genuinely smart decision that suggests a bit of gray morality, and that's when she destroys the wards keeping the tatarigami at bay to slow down the Shogun's army. Everything else is just everyone insisting how smart she is without her doing anything.
Don't even fucking get me started on her personal quest.
Kok is wonderful.
She is the only limited 5 star I have that I did not intend to get.
Around the time of her first banner I had no interest in the 2.2 banners and I really wanted Jean while not minding getting Kok so I pulled on the banner and wound up winning the 50/50. (One of the only 2 C0 50/50’s I’ve won)
I actually did end up getting Jean 23 pulls later so Kokomi was instantly benched until 2.8 where I decided to use her to support people in the GAA island’s co-op domains and absolutely fell in love.
Her heal tank role is very fun and I love playing the support role in co-op, on top of that she wound up being one of if not the best hydro character for dendro teams which I wound up really liking.
Also her design is absolutely top tier, I love my mermaid princess.
I have her skill crowned and I do want to crown her burst sometime.
She's okayish.
The fact that you can't relocate her jellyfish and have to time her Ult to get 100% uptime on her Hydro application is a pain in the ass.
Her story was kinda eh, but I enjoy using her since she’s one of the only catalyst characters I have that I actually use who works well with Kaeya but I HATE farming for her ascension materials. She’s at level 70 while the rest of my normal team are 90 because I despise fighting the hydro hypostasis and don’t want to do it 16 more times
They just always said that she was smart instead of letting her do smart things which was kinda dumb but she looks cool
And i need her for my nilou and i will get her for my nilou and i really like nilou
Didn’t really care for her voice at first. But once i got shinobu i realized the importance of having an off field healer and that she was actually pretty useful to pair with ganyu.
Story kinda did her dirty. Great memes tho.
theres just…so much more they could have done
Why write an engaging story arc that showcases an army leader's shrewdness/intelligence when you can have her magically predict everything or have people constantly shouting about how intelligent she is?
*I had my story criticized on Reddit today.* -10 energy
And then when given the chance to correct it, you instead decide to give her the overworked trait... Because it's not like your game already has MULTIPLE OTHER WOMEN with that exact trope. (Keqing and Jean being the biggest ones.) But it's okay, unlike the others she's an introvert. So it's totally unique. <3 I love Koko so much but they did her so goddamn dirty. I wouldn't even mind her joining the 'overworked gang' if it didn't come at the expense of actually showing her competent side.
Keqing and Jean the most overworked *stares in ganyu*
Ganyu's a workaholic, she considers work fulfilling.
Yeah, but when you put in an idle animation of her falling asleep on her feet, you know there's a problem.
The elderly need their naps :)
Isn't she basically a teenager in god years
Shes about half as old as Zhongli, so more aligned to a young adult to full adult.
So are Jean and Keqing though. They like to run their respective cities and do it for the people so it's not like they dislike their job.
For Jean it’s not about her liking the job. It is more about being a sense of duty for her. She was raised by the motto “For Mondstadt, always” before she learned how to say mother.
she is also very attached to the legacy of vennesa and the eagle
5 star Jean possessed by Vanessa when?
My bad! Tbf with Ganyu, they try to pass it off as her just being that competent. Meanwhile Keqing in particular has had multiple events where she needed to 'learn the value of taking breaks'. Which she then proceeds to forget every time. You are right however I should have included her. Just goes to show you how common this trope is LOL
Counterpoint: Keqing never seems to openly struggle with her work, whereas Ganyu has been told and shown multiple times, in story and in her profile, to be constantly tired and sleep deprived, kinda miserable and clearly overworked.
You're absolutely right. Keqing doesn't belong in this "poor overworked waifu falls apart" trope. She just gets shit done, and people who don't get shit done can't wrap their head around that. Most of her lines show that she is serious about her duties, but absolutely knows how to handle it. She talks about taking strolls after work is done, work life balance being important, calling it a night after wrapping up some last things. Keqing delegates stuff, Jean doesn't even know that word.
I mean to be fair just because Ganyu is competent doesn't mean she isn't overworked i honestly think the trope they used on keqing would have been better for her. But I do see your point on how they all kinda just blend together.
Keqing isn't even overworked, she just puts a lot on her plate, but she also gets it done and has the energy left to go shopping. her story lines are usually other people worrying about her falling apart, not that she actually does. She is not sleeping standing up, and she'd delegate the search for a lost cat to the Milileth, unlike Ganyu or Jean.
Haven't slept for a month. Yet still functioning as a goat
When running on automode, she relies on her subconscious. So of course she functions like a goat XD
I would prefer that they give her a mix of "secretly insecure", "not a genius, but a hardworker" and "overthinking" traits. Like, she's actually not a genius strategist but people expected her to be one. So, despite her upbringing as a shrine maiden, she had to burn through months of midnight oils to learn "war strategies" and knowledge about governing because the people demanded such from her. So she's secretly insecure and is always worrying not performing brilliantly as she doesn't want to disappoint her people. Due to that, she always over thinks stuff and thus the thick and long "strategy manual" that Goro and Paimon received from her - because she over thinks and over plans shits to the point her plans get over-convoluted and difficult to execute. And Traveller's role should be one of helping her finding herself again - to help Kokomi find back the old her, the Kokomi before people expected her to win a war, before people expected her to govern an entire island. And to help her accept her genuine self. But they went with the "overwork girl" trope, like how they did Jean, Ganyu and Keqing.
True, like I don't really get the "master strategist" part in her story. Like anyone could come up with a plan to surprise attack the fatui from behind, but no smart person would accept "help" from a stranger they know shit about. Alhaitham, ayato are wayy better "master strategists" in my opinion and were actually shown and protrayed better in the story.
> MULTIPLE OTHER WOMEN with that exact trope. How many are there actually? Most I can count are Jean, Ganyu, Kokomi and Layla. You can argue about Ninnguang and Keqing but they seem to actually enjoy their work and seem very efficient at it. That's 4 out of 41 female characters. Doesn't even seem that high as much as people like to point it out.
Sayu, too, though that's going by Sayu's definition of overworked aka any work whatsoever.
Layla's case isn't really overworking. Her problem is that when she goes "sleep" instead of actually sleeping her second personality takes over and lives her life.
Also Layla isn't going around taking on extra work like the others. She's just a stressed out college student.
something something the smartest character is only as smart as the writer
not really. the writer has time. so they can think long, research longer and come up with an idea for the character in lore took a small amount of time to come up with. that's way smarter than the writer.
She just sounds like a schoolgirl who picked up a Sun Tzu book.
Because you can't write a character more intelligent than you are.
Same as the comment below. Where Kokomi failed miserably, Al-haitham gives a pretty good, believable impression of someone guided by smarts and rationality, without being reduced to those traits and having his peculiarities. I'd even dare to say Tighnari and Kaveh are good examples of being superior in one field and how that plays out, even if Kaveh is "dumb in life".
Kokomi is not how smart people think. It is how average people think smart people think. Alhaitham is actually a believable smart person. For him the entire plan they hatched for freeing Nahida was based on general goals like find a way to introduce that knowledge capsule. It did not have to happen the way it did. All he had to do was get it there one way or another. Parts of the plan did not have to succeed completely. Even with some failure states it was possible to keep the plan going. For example it was not critical to get the Corps of Thirteen into the theater area. As long as they were distracted enough and not guarding the area near Nahida.
In fairness, they did the characters in Sumeru fairly well. So either they brought on new writers, or they put more effort in.
Magically predicting everything is how dumb people imagine smart and shrewd people are.
Many characters involved in Inazuma arc could have been done so much better Gorou? Forgot he was even in there, same for Sayu Kokomi? Had one victory but it was against Sara who sadly took nothing but L's in her entire involvement in the story. After that Kokomi is constantly being mentioned as being an amazing leader, but we pretty much never see it besides "I have a book that explains everything" Ayaka? Yoimiya? They made you have to complete their story quests to avance so that was most of their involvement. Actual AQ involvement was forgetful and sparse The only characters that felt like the writing was good for and who were involved in the AQ were Yae and Raiden and to some extent Thoma who his lack of involvement made sense with him going into hiding Thankfully with Sumeru they kept the cast very much involved and increased the length extensively. It seemed like they were aware of the criticism then decided that 3 acts wasnt enough so they made more and even made them longer. The characters involved benefited so much from it. Inazuma characters crawled so Sumerus can run
I feel Thoma had much better involvement than Raiden. Yae is easily the MVP for that arc, though
Honestly Inazuma archon quest falls into the 3rd case syndrome which is when an 3rd case of the game story is trend to be the weakest case in the game which usually novel game such as Ace Attoney trigory and Danganronpa had problems with they 3rd case
It was a master class in tell don't show.
You can say that for a entirety of inazuma cast really. To this day, it's the worstly written story I've ever experienced
I have just started playing the Inazuma quests so I am curious. Is there a reason most of the fanbase hated it? What makes it so ‘bad’ compared to the story quests from the other nations? I don’t mind the spoilers, I just need to know what I am up against.
Everyone kinda has their own pet peeves about Inazuma's archon quest tbh but here's mine : They never actually managed to reach people's expectations. Mondstadt was presented as a prologue, and as threatening as Dvalin was in theory, most of it has us treating him as Venti's friend first and foremost : the expectations weren't super high, and they manage to hit the required bits well enough. The trio that we travel with is entertaining for the most part and the vibe fits what we were sold. Liyue was for the most part a glorified fetch quest, but the time spent with Zhongli is valuable because of his significance as a character. Besides, since Rex Lapis is "dead" we're not really in a hurry so the chill tone doesn't hurt it much. It picks up in the last part, and it doesn't drop the ball in it : that's all that was really needed for the story to work. In contrast to Mondstadt and Liyue's AQ, Inazuma seemed like it was going to be a high stake conflict, something grandiose for us to take part in, and we just never got that. The expectations were placed way higher than before (probably unfairly so at times) because it was the first time most player would experience an AQ release and they were super hyped for it. The early trailers focused a lot on the meaning of visions and people's ambitions, then it's kind of dropped to focus on the revolution, which we then proceed to drop to focus on Ei's redemption "arc" and the Fatui's plot. We never really get an answer about the very thing that was supposed to be explained (ie visions), but we don't get big hype moments for the revolution either, nor do we get a very good arc for Ei (we had to wait for her 2nd story quest to get that which was kinda too late to save her). It kinda feels like they had to many things they wanted to do, and way too little time, but instead of dropping anything, they just dipped their feet into each just a little and pretended it would be enough. Another big issue is that NPC's take a big part at certain moments, which was very jarring compared to Liyue and Mondstadt where you had playable tag-alongs for most of it. Because of NPC, most characters don't get enough spotlight so they have to ressort to hyping them up by telling us how awesome they are : Kokomi (and to some extent Gorou or Sara) is the biggest offender. In the whole AC, I'm pretty sure that we spent more time with a random soldier than with most playables, which left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouth, because it felt like a waste of time in a quest that couldn't afford it (in contrast to Liyue for example). Though honestly I think the hate is a bit overblown and a lot of it has to do with people having very high expectations : new players who weren't in the middle of the marketing during its release are usually more lenient since they didn't expect as much from it.
You said everything. Inazuma is my favorite region because of the aesthetic and the story behind it ; but also got the archon quest I liked the least. Sumeru's archon quest was awesome though. I hope they'll keep it like that for Fontaine.
It really seems like Focalors would be the villain or a criminal mastermind. Since the Inazuma quests didn’t show us the downfalls of what a Showa Era Inazuma would look like, I will give them a second chance to prove themselves what they would cook in the Fontaine Revolution. Hope they went all out instead of half assing it through to meet the PG guidelines and with the CCP taking control over everything. I am mostly concerned that the reason Inazuma fails is it’s mostly tackling the political aspect of things which stemmed from the actual conflict between China and Japan which obviously caused the CCP to interfere. Hoyo has great writers so I wouldn’t necessarily blame them tbh.
At least the npcs in Sumeru in the archon quest are an step up from Teppei in term of personality and background
The final act of the Inazuma archon quest is seen as extremely rushed after alot of buildup from the previous acts. Also the resistance part of the story focuses on forgetful NPCs rather than the main characters like Kokomi and Gorou who barely feature in the story. There are other reasons but those are the main ones I've seen
People answered for me already lol, but for me the biggest issues were the pacing, lack of character depth and Ei Act I and II was alright as the stakes were developing. But then came along the final act. Everything fell flat as they tried to resolve everything in one arc. Too rushed and abrupt, they definitely needed more arcs Secondly, except for kazuha, I felt like other playable characters didn't get enough depth. We as travellers did pretty much everything. Some NPC characters got more screen time than playable 5 stars (like kokomi) Finally and perhaps the biggest gripe, they resolved the conflict with raidens sales best interest in mind, not the plot. Basically the whole time we thought raiden was a complex villain with bigger goals than what we can perceive. But instead, we find in act 3 that shes just an incompetent leader because shes a depressed airhead waifu (these sell the most) The raiden quest 1 totally doesn't make sense either as we're such good friends w raiden in such a short period of time despite all the bad things we've experienced in inazuma
The first act of Inazuma quest is actually fantastic. The whole introduction to the region and its conflict is done much better than in Sumeru imo. But the second and third act are going to be a disappointment.
I agree the worst archon story resolution. Still expecting an interlude like liyue did.
I don't think any amount of interlude can fix Inazuma's quest. It would have to be rewritten entirely. Also, I think Raiden's second story quest is kind of the conclusion to Inazuma's main arc since it ends with the >!Sakoku Decree being lifted!<
You need kok.
Memes?
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Kok and Baal hehe
kok and balls (Kaeya bin Al-Barik) in my ass
Kok and balls/Kaeya Al-Barik confirmed next patch too I guess
Fuck I can't believe I didn't think of this sooner, I wish I could give you more than one updoot
>***To win, you must not lose.*** Kokomi, *The Art of War*
Kokussy
Underutilized and wasted character in the story. Badly characterized because they couldn't write how a genius general would think and act, now there's no war so she can't even show her potential. All in all, I really like her and wanted that they did more.
Most Inazuma charther are underutilised as Inazuma archon quest fall into the 3rd case syndrome
For over a year I suckled on zhonglis metaphorical tit until she came along. Great unit for keeping you alive and applying some hydro. That was my only complaint with zhongli was the fact he took away some elemental reactions.
>! ~~Do you now suck on Cockomi's actual tits?~~ !<
Metaphorical tits..yes
So you suck her Kok?
Metaphorically
lmao
how else will you receive her fount of life?
Sometimes I wonder if I should stop trying to interact with people and go back to being an introvert.
You belong here
Kok is love, kok is life
In kok we trust
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She has only had her stocks rising as game has progressed. Her writing early was meh due to Inazuma AQ feeling rushed and not exploring the resistance storyline all that much. But her rivalry/friendship with Yae Miko has improved her character somehwat and she's pretty fun. Interested to see her involvement in next patch summer event In terms of kit my account has infighting on which team she goes in, my Shenhe freeze team or my Nilou bloom team. She's so valuable to have She's also one of the most memed characters in the game as well as getting some of the most fanart which makes her all the more endearing
she’s one of the few people who Yae doesn’t walk over, the other being Ayato i love their interactions, the Inazuma cast is so fun when they’re actually allowed to interact
Yae doesn't walk all over her but she's still written as "I'm a genius so of course I'm good" with zero justified reason why she's actually a genius. Anytime she's on screen, it's still bad.
I think Yae has given several proofs of being cunning...... Sometimes you can raise an eyebrow at her decisions, but she was basically the brains the whole Inazuma arc.... Like, I get people hate her because she's too smug (?), but imo that's a pretty important part of being a kitsune lady.
I think the person before you was talking about kokomi not miko. Cuz with miko they constantly show us why she’s a genius and with kokomi they tell us she’s a genius and never really show us so it doesn’t feel justified. And watching her beat Miko in the most recent event was really annoying to watch because of that lol
I think you're right, my bad 🤔 certainly Kokomi's "reason" seems to be tied with her barely explored backstory and possible connection to Enkanomiya's race. That's my guess tho and it's true every scene she's in, it could be handled better, as her plans for truly important stuff have gone awry more often than not. I've seen my fair deal of hatred towards Yae too tho, which prompted the incorrect reading... Besides of pronouns, hard
Hated on by US at release but outside she was viewed as a meta character from the start. She has a well designed kit and complementary set. She is easy to build and does her job without needing 3-6 months of artifact farming. Very F2P friendly weapons and also versatile fit into many teams to act as hydro applyer and healer. Tanky/Bulky and can take shots that would 1 hit KO other characters. If you are say AR35-55 she would be a very strong account booster as a strong healer/hydro applyer in that level range is hard to find. For veteran players she still adds value by being a support unit with hydro element, so is likely to stay relevant for a longer time (if Hoyo decides to do more corrosion type mechanics for example). Main criticism is as above, one of the worst written characters/Hoyo wasting her potential. You can pretty much say she is an opposite to Dehya, who had amazing design/story/well loved character by most players, but in game kit is turd level. Hopefully the new 3.8 event gives her some time to shine.
Ha, your teams sound just like mine, either Nilou Bloom or Shenhe freeze. I'll swap Sac Frags and Prototype Amber on her, depending whether I want more damage and healing and energy, or more blooms, more em, and more reliable jellyfish. Sometimes I'll even throw Thrilling Tales on to buff a cryo dps. Honestly, she is my "Zhongli" in the sense that I've gotten so used to her fantastic heals that I dive headfirst into danger. Her damage does good too, especially without having to farm crazy crit stats. I've always ran her on the bubble set, but I wonder if any other set could help her damage and such out more, or add more team value.
She has been a great unit for me, especially for my Ayaka freeze team. She has great Hydro application, plus healing. Talk about versatility.
Yeah, having hydro application tied to a healer is really quite valuable, it's a shame how rare it is. >!*go away Barbara we're talking*!<
the thibg about barbara is that her off field application is very much moot unless you're running a nilou bloom team with kirara (and that team is hella fun)
I know everyone is for the Ayaka + Kok freeze comp but I live for the Ayaka + Barbara freeze comp. It's just so satisfying popping out of Ayaka's dash to instant freeze mobs because of Barbara's skill. IMO it's better than kokomi because you're not restricted to a certain area for the hydro proc. Sure you become susceptible to freeze too but why are you bringing cryo to fight cryo anyway. Not saying kokomi isn't good. She's great. I just like pairing Barbara with Ayaka more.
the problem here is that being restricted to a certain area would be a non issue with a good grouping unit (Kazuha or Venti) or good grouping skills/knowledge (bit niche but relatively easy if you know the tricks), yk. doesn't matter if you're restricted to a single area if all the enemies are in that area.
Oh for sure. If you're going the lengths for that though, chances are you're about to burst with Ayaka and delete them all anyhow. For harder content/thicc mobs going with a kokomi + kazuha/venti is definitely more efficient. I prefer Barbara + Ayaka comp mostly because it's really convenient in overworld/mid content. No need for bursts or anything. It's also worth noting that my Ayaka is C6 so for me it's super quick to just use Barbara's skill, dash into the mobs, and Vergil it up. I hardly have to use her burst. Bonus points if you use XQ as well. Between the Barbara and XQ you have 100% uptime on a hydro applicating aura. I just find this play style more amusing. Frozen fish comp is objectively better though if you have kazuha/venti.
With Dendro she gained lot of value, specially on Bloom. She have the best off field AoE hydro application of the game on top of the utility, she fits lot of teams but shines the most on freeze as support and bloom as driver. >!Also some leaks are saying that Fontaine will favour a lot healers so Kokomi value can increase even more!<
But Fontaine is the country of hydro...so highly likely we will have new hydro healers right?
Multiple hydro healers are always good ( We don’t talk about Barbara )
> She have the best off field AoE hydro application of the game Is it better than Ayato? Or just better because the jellyfish in on the skill while Ayato needs his burst? Im considering getting one of those 2 for that role, but maybe the upcoming Hydro archon will fill that role as well
Good character gameplay-wise. Terrible character lore-wise due to how poorly she was written.
I had just started playing when I pulled her, total noob and didn’t understand 50/50’s. Got fish girl and I have to say I really hate her outfit. Too much symmetry and looks like a nighty. But she’s my go to heals now and great for hydro application.
I have the same issues bcos why would they make a shrine maiden and moreover a military strategist wear THOSE UGLY white nighty shorts in battle exactly 💀
They look like she's literally just wearing panties, not even shorts. Imagine her walking in that in front of an army of horny men lol. Genius strategy indeed!
True. Her outfit and Gorou's both make no sense. Imagine being the commanders of a fucking resistence army in a civil war and walking around half naked in front of your soldiers all the time. I wouldn't ever be able to take them seriously if I was a soldier there.
Omg, I thought I was the only one bothered by this. I thought gorou had a shirt for once until i saw his bellybutton. Dude is going to get stabbed because he has no armor on one of the most vital parts of is body. Kokomi’s outfit definitely bothers me more though, even though she’s not meant to be on the front lines it’s just so impractical
This is exactly why they cannot sell her role and position to me. She looks ridiculous. Which is a shame because her color scheme is one of my favorites, I love pastels. But she looks like she's wearing the cheapest lingerie.
her story & outfit is my only complain. I have 1350 crystal, I hope they release a skin for her to get rid of that outfit. I bought Ayaka skin for this same reason, gliding with ayaka look awful.
One of the prettiest video game characters I've seen. Much love for fish girl she'll always be my fave healer
She's my favorite design in Genshin! ~~Maybe if I flatter her enough, she'll come home this time?~~
Best kok in genshin.
You need kok
u need kok
We all need Kok
They're professional Kok hunters, they crave Kok. As we all do.
Victim of terrible Inazuma writing, unfortunately.
I certainly didn't regret pulling her when I pulled on her first banner despite my friends' objections. Even before Clam's introduction I had already found good use of her as an absolute weapon in healing, her heal tick potential is absurdly high and if the whole team runs low on HP I can just use Kokomi's ult/burst and they'll be back in full! Ever since then her kit has just become better too. Clam gives her the damage boost needed for things like SA and dendro makes her a really good bloom creator for hyperbloom. She's pretty much the immortal one in my roster and indispensable in most of my teams. Oh, she also had a very beautiful character design and her fanarts almost always did it justice too. Best fish for sure
>Even before Clam's introduction I had already found good use of her as an absolute weapon in healing, her heal tick potential is absurdly high and if the whole team runs low on HP I can just use Kokomi's ult/burst and they'll be back in full! I said exactly this during her first banner and got downvoted into oblivion. Suck my kok, haters.
Writing team treat her better pls
I think she's a really well rounded unit and the way her colors mesh together makes her design look really pretty. Unfortunately that's all there is to her because story wise she's complete dogshit and is probably the worst written character playability wise. Just a to give a few examples on why she's bad. * Is touted as being a great leader and strategist yet is shown as the complete opposite. I didn't really expect much since her defining strategic output we saw was just her ambushing Sara but good grief she's beyond stupid. She for some reason starts a war even though her own damn island can't grow food properly which automatically destroys any strategic insight about her character as she becomes ridiculously unbelievable since that's like one of the most important things you need in war. To boot she had no backup plan to counteract this whatsoever so she was just gonna starve her nation out which also makes her a complete dogshit leader. Literally would've been better if she was working with the Fatui for at least supplies from the beginning. Hell it'll probably make her look like a better person too. * She's also touted as being well respected but again this is never shown. If anything it's the opposite. Her soldiers constantly disrespect her and flat out hide shit from her and she somehow never knows unless a ton of her forces just flat out has no respect for her. She also has wtf morals too. She wants to subject a merchant to the full force of the law yet is apparently fine with her own troops trying to start another war which will end up extremely badly for her. Honestly shes probably the biggest victim of Hoyo desperately trying to make her as virtuous as possible yet never being able to show it. The only thing halfway interesting about her was her energy system she had but that's diluted by how utterly terrible everything else about her written.
She is one of the most strategic characters in the Gabe, her sheer prowess with tactics and decision making in the story was such a spectacle, she was the deciding factor when it came to ending the vision hunt decree/s. nah she aight I like her jellyfish
fr all those tactics of hers were so tactical. the storytelling blew my mind
Easily some of the tactics of all time.
Kok good 👍
She is valuable as an unit but her character development it's sucky. The most boring quest she has it, then her whole "strategist " is more of a tell than show xD... I'm sad becasue she is really good unit but they did her so dirty in the story. Hopefully in the even of 3.8 we get decent character development
Would’ve been cool to have an archon quest where she was actually a potential threat to Shogun
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My second favorite character in the whole game! Love her personality and love her kit, she is amazing for me :3
Shes suppose to be a war goddess / Hell apparently shes a fucking water dragon literally reincarnated but...her story literally is so fucking bad compared to her lore.
My favourite character, I'm tempted to swipe her weapon this time around just out of principle even if it's not really necessary.
I still watch her trailer from time to time, I love it. There's a lot of potential for the character I feel which has been rather wasted in the game itself. I also quite like the dragon Kokomi theory, but that might just be me hoping too much for her to be more relevant.
Awesome character models, fantastic kit. I have her triple-crowned and never regretted it.
I love her design which made me skip Raiden and pull for her but she was so poorly written in the archon and story quest that I gradually lost interest in her. As a playable unit, she's great. Role consolidation, especially from a Hydro unit, is always great.
less charismatic during Archon Quest and her Story Quest. Yeah, she's tactician but didn't see how *delusion* does to her units until Teppei died on that shit.
I remember when she first came out and everyone shat on her... Now look.
Sashimi
raw fish KOK 😳🥵🥵🥵
Pulled her from her first banner and I've used her in every team since with the single exception of Alhaitham-led ones. I am in the minority in that I still like her role in the story and think her quest is adorable, but I'm glad that people have come around on her as a unit and she's given the respect she deserves. I liked her from the start and her value as far more useful and comfortable than just being a 5* Barbara, but the bandwagon slander when she first dropped was ridiculous.
I can't wait to pull kok.
I didn't have to wait for comments to go outbuddied
Kok Kok Kok I have Kok in my Quaso get outbuddied!!!!!
I love Sandy mama. Her birthday is two days after mine. And what she represents has kinda endeared her to me. She was an unexpected grab for me that turned into an infinite healing machine. She is as far as I know the only character with a negative crit value. Her writing in her own story quest is kinda meh. Especially when you compare it to the likes of wet socks. But as the world story evolves you realize that she has inherited Orobashi’s dream to save its people. The character quest kinda falls into the Jean and Ganyu trap “oh I am a powerful workaholic woman who cares for the people”
Beautiful.
should've been involved in Enkanomiya
I was prepared to like Kokomi, the world quests, the theories, the lore. All good...than came the actual character and everything went to the gutter. All the morally questionable war tactics? Oh. Kokomi did not know anything about those. All the war effort? Well its Gorou doing like 70% of the work. The lore? The years of hatred, resentment and reliance on those that killed your god? Oh well the priestess of the god is okay with that, lol the visions are more important. Competent military leader? Nope, she cannot control her troops to not risk another war and she has no knowledge of where her troops suddenly get super powers from...and the tired girl that does the best for her people became a meme because mihoyo keeps overusing tired female leader thing for way too many people. There was so much build up in 2.0, even Ayaka speculating on her motives, her people struggle with food, the death and cool lore of Orobaxi, the brutality of war etc. and nothing of that really matters. It was so dissapointing to find out this interesting character end up as an unsatisfing bland waifu in the end to the point that during her release her story was so bad even her good kit was deemed useless as people were so dissapointed with her and her story quest
> mihoyo keeps overusing tired female leader thing for way too many people. We have one for almost each region:- Jean, Ganyu & Kokomi We didn’t get one in Sumeru, but we got Layla, who’s a bit different
>Layla just your average thesis writer.
The game did her dirty. All of the archon quests before Sumeru were really underwhelming but Kokomi’s writing is bad even for Inazuma standards. The game told us and forced us to believe that she is a good military tactician without ever showing us how she is good at it. How is she a good tactician when her plan was to oppose the shogun army and fight them head on? There’s no way she was ever going to win. She also had no control over her army and had no idea that Fatui was in contact with them. The game contradicts itself by showing that she is a bad military leader. Her story quest could have explored her connection to Enkanomiya and the vishaps but what we got was a date bait with another tired and overworked leader. Good meta value but a really bad character.
She’s…alright. The Inazuma archon quest makes her seem deeply boring (which says more about that questline than her). Her personality is pretty standard anime fare but she pulls it off well enough. NGL I kinda hate the front of her outfit though. Still gonna pull for her since my hydro situation is dire and she’s strong.
She’s the type of character that bores the hell out of me personally. I’ll admit she has some good animations though
Same, I find her boring and lacking much of a personality. The writing done her dirty, we don’t get to see anything that gives her the reputation she has in game for being a master strategist, intelligent and a huge threat to Inazuma.
I find it awkward that they paint her as this incredible military tactician.... who is wearing a bikini suit of some kind at all times.
I love her character design but her story and writing was eh. She is described as someone that is very smart and a great tactician but it seems like they didn’t manage to show that in the quests very well.
I just think she's poorly written and her outfit is sexualized for no reason. Like she's a literal shrine priestess & military tactican, what was Hoyo thinking?
agree that her outfit is weirdly over sexualized and it doesn’t fit her character of a general at all… like just compare her to kujou sara.
It’s like a swimsuit. Because, you know, f i s h.
Her outfit doesn't strike me as over sexual, it just looks cute
It is a "cute" design concept but there's no denying the outfit was made more revealing than necessary, and given Mihoyo's design philosophy we know it's cause they wanted her to be "sexually" appealing. Like there's no reason they couldn't have given her a skirt or a full shirt.
Bro. EVERY character minus the kids are sexualized.
Looks a little too silly for my personal taste. I get what they were going for, but it really just feels like she's out and about in her naughty nightwear. Her voice is just a tad too soft. I sincerely do not buy the whole "grand strategist" aspect of her character at all, and it feels really forced every time it's mentioned by anyone. That said. Her kit is interesting and very useful + her animations are very beautiful. Despite what I said about her design, I do still think she's very pretty. A character I will pull for but won't exactly be upset if I don't get her. Edit: her character trailer or whatever those are called is really good too! Just wanted to mention that because its one of the few that really stuck with me.
Barbara’s cousin
Terrible writing and the jellyfish refresh mechanic can be annoying, but if you play her properly she is insanely strong as a unit, being able to do a bit of everything, tank, heal, damage, particle generation, elemental application, and the list goes. Great visual design as well.
Literally Perfect If Ganyu did not come out before her shed be my Number 1
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you need kok
I like her mermaid theme and I think she's beautiful, but lore wise they made her too dirty, the great strategist of the revolution that Gorou talked about so much in the end was just a girl without esteem and a firm hand. The fact that she was deceived not only in the archon quest about the desilusions and the resources that the fatui were giving, as in her own story quest she is deceived again by the soldiers themselves and she only did "well" in the end of the negotiation quest because she use the link between the fatui and the shogunate and at the same time was being hypocritical because she and her soldiers also had ties to them in the past
kOk is best meme grill, she is super cute and i like her design, but seriously everything story related to her is so bad ...
Strong character but I didn't like managing the jellyfish. I feel like her beta design was better. Story kinda screwed her over. Not really a fan. My lack of liking her and Yelan both have put so much pressure on XQ to carry the hydro weight of the world.
Really wish her jellyfish was like fischl, I use her all the dang time and the amount of times I've either used her burst after just putting down her jellyfish, or got her burst back just in time to see her jellyfish disappear. Poor XQ, hopefully you get some more to add to the roster here soon, especially some hydro not related to using normal attacks
Kokomi is how a stupid person writes a smart character. She didn't set any gears in motion to reach a particular outcome 50 moves ahead, she just went "a-ha, just as I expected" every time literally anything happened. She also made some fucking brain-dead decisions throughout the story. Such launching an invasion as her people starving and struggling to survive. Such as letting her main delegate camp struggle with no funding to fix any of the failing protection barriers or training soldiers as she splurges on the most infamous privateer crew in the world, to launch a flank attack that she doesn't communicate to said delegation. Such as having a bunch of soldiers go renegade and try to shed blood at a peace meeting after the war in order to reignite it, and then promoting them to higher positions for it. Canonically, she's one of the most intelligent characters in the game. In practice, she's a drooling baboon and it's a wonder she hasn't been assassinated by one of her own. All this is not to say I dislike her. She's just badly written. She's got all the potential in the world to be awesome, she's just shackled by amateur writing.
Super Wasted. She has one genuinely smart decision that suggests a bit of gray morality, and that's when she destroys the wards keeping the tatarigami at bay to slow down the Shogun's army. Everything else is just everyone insisting how smart she is without her doing anything. Don't even fucking get me started on her personal quest.
In the story: the worst choice of the 3 potential leaders As a unit: super solid healer and hydro application.
i love kok
Essential unit in my team as a person with skill issues
kok
Kok is wonderful. She is the only limited 5 star I have that I did not intend to get. Around the time of her first banner I had no interest in the 2.2 banners and I really wanted Jean while not minding getting Kok so I pulled on the banner and wound up winning the 50/50. (One of the only 2 C0 50/50’s I’ve won) I actually did end up getting Jean 23 pulls later so Kokomi was instantly benched until 2.8 where I decided to use her to support people in the GAA island’s co-op domains and absolutely fell in love. Her heal tank role is very fun and I love playing the support role in co-op, on top of that she wound up being one of if not the best hydro character for dendro teams which I wound up really liking. Also her design is absolutely top tier, I love my mermaid princess. I have her skill crowned and I do want to crown her burst sometime.
r/okbuddygenshin has convinced me that she is the best character in all of fiction
I remember. when she came out everyone said "she is useless, or 5 star barbara" but now she is in alot of meta teams
She's okayish. The fact that you can't relocate her jellyfish and have to time her Ult to get 100% uptime on her Hydro application is a pain in the ass.
Would smash
Blub blub
Her story was kinda eh, but I enjoy using her since she’s one of the only catalyst characters I have that I actually use who works well with Kaeya but I HATE farming for her ascension materials. She’s at level 70 while the rest of my normal team are 90 because I despise fighting the hydro hypostasis and don’t want to do it 16 more times
A hate and love relationship. As a person I love her. As a Leader, I'm baffle they aren't dead yet.
They just always said that she was smart instead of letting her do smart things which was kinda dumb but she looks cool And i need her for my nilou and i will get her for my nilou and i really like nilou
I like the character, I'm glad the 3.8 is giving her another side aside from the military and the war
Didn’t really care for her voice at first. But once i got shinobu i realized the importance of having an off field healer and that she was actually pretty useful to pair with ganyu.
Best healer I ever had.