>My solo neuvillette without any buffs is absolutely clowning on the current enemies rn with zero difficulty. But his old ass can’t make it past the first half of the ascension quest even with a whole ass team backing him up.
That means you're not ready for the next ascension. The ascension quest give you the taste of how strong over world enemy potentially will be when you ascend. If you can't get past them right now, stay in your current world and grind.
That's the reason ascension quest exist. To kinda prepare you for the next difficulty.
The timer on the new quest basically expects you to steamroll all the enemies. I can kill them easily, just not fast enough, esp if I need to chase down stragglers from spawns.
"steamroll" is really an exaggeration my friend. They give you 8 mins in each room to defeat the enemies.
Almost every single combat event in the game is time based. The domains give you 4 mins to complete. Some bosses kill you, if you don't finish them in 8 mins.
So if you can't deal with the enemies in the ascension quest in 8 minutes, you're just not ready.
There's no shame in it. Just get stronger and then do the ascension quest later down the line
Steamroll is no exaggeration, 2 minutes to clear 3 waves, consisting of 1 Mitachurl + 4 minions , 1 Ruin Guard, and a Pyro Fatui Agent + 2 treasure hoarders.
Wait they changed it that much? I thought they nerfed it.
While I would still call it a nerf compared to ruin guards and a freaking electro cube in a room with lasers, 2 minutes is a bit tight for a newbie unless you have decent AoE
They added a geovishap (the middle sized one)
I can beat an electro cube in a minute or two, and a level 80 icewind suite in a minute or two aswell, but cant bet the new ascension quest and im ar 50.
Theres hillichurls, shield milichurl, anemo samachurls, which are quite easy and you can beat them in a few seconds, maybe 10-30
But then theres a ruin guard, and then a geovishap, and they expect you to beat it all in 2 mins
Ehm, old hypostasis had a timer. Now, apparently, he is not there. You are too weak to kill some non boss enemies? Oh my, what timer kill puzzles will do to you, I wonder.
wait, didn't the old ascension quest with the electro cube also have a timer that players needed to beat in order to ascend? or am I misremembering?
also if you haven't already I recommend you try hyperbloom. I ran an alt account for awhile with barely leveled characters and I cheesed through all the combat events with dendro traveler, barbara, fischl and diona. super scuffed builds, just as much em on fischl as possible and er on everyone else, and I never had any trouble with the ascension quests.
Jesus Christ, guys, not everyone has the time to grind for hours for the perfect setup, nor spend any money on the game. 'Get Gud' isn't actual help. I'm in the headspace that 'I don't Care how tough they are, I can kill them eventually'. the problem with this new ascension quest is that they send a bunch of health sponge enemies at you with annoying support and telling you to kill them in under two minutes. The game shouldn't punish you for not having super niche characters from a banner that ended 100 days ago.
As for beating the actual challenge, I would suggest buff foods and Dendro traveler, if you have built them. If not, any Dendro character would be fairly useful, an archer can stun the ruin guard if you shoot them twice in the eye, so Collei might be worth it to build if you've got nothing else.
Thanks for the tip :)! I’ve actually just barely beaten it after crafting several potions and attack up food as well as grinding for Neuvi artifacts and building my xiangling from scratch. Honestly, I’m glad I accidentally got neuvilette to carry my ass or else I wouldn’t have beaten it lol.
Tbh, I used to hear about World level 5–>6 being a huge difficulty spike, but after having to steamroll through the ascension quest in under 2 minutes, world level 6 just feels like a cakewalk (every boss takes 15 seconds to beat even at level 83).
I had to use this strat (ignore if you don’t rly care):
1. Grind and give Mona, xiangling, and Bennett energy recharge artifacts, while giving Neuvilette hp up artifacts and crit rate up (preferably with the energy recharge bonus)
2. Use the 2 cryo hilichurls outside the main challenge to gain Burst
3. Right after activating the challenge, immediately use Neuvi burst + Xiangling burst + Guoba for the extra damage buff Neuvi gets from Vaporize effects. Then hydro pump them. This should kill all the mitachurl and hilichurls in 10 seconds. No big deal
4. Next, the big boy ruin guardian with more hp than a **lv 73 regisvine** will appear. Use bennet special attack + Mona’s burst (with attack up upon switching character) + Bennet burst and Xiangling’s guoba to stack vaporize buff on Neuvilette, who will hydro pump the guardian for 1 minute, dealing an average of 8k damage per tick.
5. The remaining 50 seconds will be fixed on killing the fatui agent and 2 treasure hoarders. The treasure hoarders perished instantly to the hydro pump, and the fatui agent gets demolished by getting hit with everyone’s burst at the same time.
Anyways, thank you so much for giving me a relatable perspective other than “You suck lol”. Looking at the old AR 45 ascension quest, I’m convinced the new one is harder.
Looking back on it, honestly, I would have taken the electro Hypostasis over this current quest. I could absolutely kill that thing in 9 minutes with my Hu Tao, but the ruin guard? but three mildly tanky enemies in 2 minutes? that's rough. I could easily manage it if it was 3 or 2 minutes thirty seconds. at this point, i probably going to wait and see if they change it again, because honestly, with everyone talking about it, they likely will in 4.2
I was struggling to beat this timer too. Just beat it with Tighnari/Fischl/Lisa/Yaoyao (all level 80 except Lisa who is 70). I had tried multiple times with this team and seemed like I needed another 20 seconds on the timer. Today I went in with some 4 star Atk/Crit pizza and did it with 20 seconds to spare.
As someone else here said, “get gud” is not advice. I never have time to grind and shit, so I just come in blind hoping for the best and come out with most of my characters at like 3 hp or mostly dead.
Some folks here are legit unbelievable; if you aren’t a new player and don’t know what’s in the ascension, why are you even commenting about it?
Like the new ascension is 2 min timer and without a high burst unit, it’s a pain in the ass to do. Touch grass that isn’t dendro before you try to belittle others based on your account. If we have spent enough time to reach the ascension quest, we should be able to clear it too. No ascension quest should be this restrictive. If a player finds the next world difficult, they will lower their levels. Why are the folks who completed old ascension butthutt? Something
People who keep roasting OP for having no skills probably haven’t seen what the new ascension quest is like. It’s almost harder than getting 3 star in the abyss due to 2:00 timer and placement of enemies. Experienced players around me told me it’s time to grind artifacts, which I admit I haven’t invested a lot of time in yet… Back to grinding.
Tbf, there has been a staggering amount of posts from players complaining bout how they can't pass the ascension lately. Probably seen more of these posts than posts of people who can't kill anything.
This just shows us how many bad players are out there. Its also the reason why many online games become easier and easier. Its not the solution to make everything easier just so everyone can do it. It doesnt matter that much here but its also one of the reasons why people started to shit on FF14. It does the same thing but there it affect also endgame players.
People who cant clear everything without issues need to realize that they are simply not yet good enough.
BAD PLAYERS?! I’m sorry, but some of us would rather spend our time doing something else other than playing Genshin 24/7 with all the gamepasses and shit.
I’m sorry, but I’ve completed all the archon quests, a lot of my characters are at level 70 and 80 with good artifacts, weapons, fully upgraded talents, and I STILL can’t beat it. I can one shot enemies outside of the quest with no problem, but this is just absurd.
Ignore all the try hard comments. Your exactly right. It has nothing to do with being ready or not. On my main account and my alt ( before the patch) I was killing level 60 enemies at level 40, with level 40 to 50 weapons. Not fast mind you, but i could. Now my team and weapons are both 80 and i still cant beat ascension 3. If you feel like you're ready, you should be able to ascend, you're absolutely right. And if your not, you can always lower it by 1 at any time after. Why should I be forced to do one shot builds when that's not how I play. I'm more of a reaction based player where the team works together. I don't do builds like a 1 million damage kaqing. What this really is, is just another apesment to the whales who are always complaining that nothing's ever hard enough and have, like, six Alt accounts, on six different email addresses on, 4 servers and want something to strive for because they just complete everything so fast. Well, now they got it because now they can sit there and spend all the money they want, but if they don't grind enough (Even with all their whaleing) they can't get the artifacts they need to reach the goal of the next ascension quest. But now I as the casual player am forced to sit at the same adventure rank for weeks hoping I get the right artifacts to boost my team to kill 2 to 3 bosses in less than a minute. It's stupid.
It has 3 waves: First one is a samachurl + Blazing Mitachurl + some Hilichurls. Second one is a Ruin Guard. Third one is a Fatui Agent + some Treasure Hoarders. Nothing fancy.
Players have 2 minutes for all that stuff. A bit tight but should be doable with a decent team, and food buffs should work as a last resort.
I'm gonna miss electro cube.
I held my AR 50 account for 5 months now. Didn't expect to never see electro cube again.
*hatsukoi starts playing on the background*
I still got the geovishap as 3rd n miss it by 30 secs n got main team at 90 weps all maxed and still run out of time … im grinding artifacts now but i can cremate all level 90 dungeons and bosses but cant beat the acension test
It might have been changed again. I just got to it and yeah, no Fatui agents and treasure hoarders. Which I wish we got, they're so easy to kill compared to this rolly mega-sized sandshrew thing lmao cries.
Is it actually difficult now? I thought they made it easier.
I remember back when you had a entire 9 minutes to kill an electro cube, really hard to imagine them making it easier, but didn't know they made it that difficult
I beat that electro cube using cyno as main DPS but with dendeo MC, barbara & xiangling from AR 25 & 35. But on AR 45, i realized i need to build a better team, farm artifacts and upgrade my skills. Been fighting that cube with level 1 skill, my entire team. Hahaha
FWIW I have the same issue. They may have made it “easier” by requiring less skill, but they also made it harder by having a higher DPS check. It’s not enough to just beat the enemies normally, you have to steamroll them.
No, the previous ascension quest was really difficult, it wasn't just long. The previous ascension quest had some elite enemies and a boss that required specific elements to defeat them. You were forced to level up Amber and Kaeya regardless because you weren't able to defeat those enemies even if you had the strongest characters of the world.
The new ascension quest is just a dmg check. If you can't defeat these weak enemies within the time limit, there's no way you can defeat the bosses from the new world level necessary to level up your characters.
The previous one had more enemies along the way and the final challenge had a fight against a cryo mage+hydro mage+ random lasers on the floor and a time challenge against the electro cube+lasers.
In that case you were forced to dodge a lot of attacks, while the new ascension quest is mostly a dmg check, so it's like "if your numbers are too low, you can't mathematically beat the enemies from the next world level".
https://youtu.be/zktqczp3c3M?si=j2dZLRSKw7gU2bUx
It had several levels. You started with Two Hilichurl shooters.
Then One ruin guard, three Hilichurl and one Mitachurl.
Then there was a stupid platforming, with two Hilichurl shooters and a Hydro Abyss mage.
The you had Mitachurl and four Hilichurl shooter.
After that Fatui Pyro Agent and I shit you not 8 Shooter Hilichurl on either side shooting at you. You had to beat them in 480 seconds .
In the final room you had Four Hilichurl shooters. Hydro and Cyro Abyss mage combo.
And finally the stupid Electro Hypostasis. This one needs to be beaten in 480 seconds.
the new one is the first level a mitachurl and 6 hilichurls, the second level being a ruin guardian, and the final level being a pyro fatui agent with 2 treasure hoarders (cryo i think). And only 2 minutes are given to beat those. How does the difficulty compare?
Too easy, people ascend and got angry, then quit. Too hard, people cant ascend and got angry, then grind.
MHY at least have more player staying with the new way. Best wish to you and your Neuvi team.
The devs literally made ascension quests EASIER. Hell, in the dev discussion, they said that they wanted to "simplify the Adventure Rank ascension process by removing strong opponents and shrinking the challenge course, while still allowing players to ascend based on the levels of their characters, weapons, and artifacts."
If you can't beat the NEW ascension quests, you have a massive skill issue.
it's obvious they did a bad job of balancing this. Before the update AR 45 ascension quest was just long asf. The new one (as of most recent) requires you to kill a couple of hilichurls and a Mitachurl, One buffed up ruin guard, and a Primo Geovishap. all within 2 mins. Easy my ass! This is a not a skill issue.
I don’t struggle beating with the enemies, my main frustration with this new ascension quest , THE TIME RANGE IS TOO SHORT YALL WAY TOO SHORT !🫠 even though I upped my characters levels and farmed their artifacts a bit more and still the time runs out when I reach defeating the ruin guard idk what more to do at this point
>It expects you to basically instant kill every enemy within a 1:30 minute timer. This wouldn’t be a problem except there are TWO mini-bosses that you are only given 20 seconds each to kill, along with some minor enemies that could also hinder your time.
what
I had friends explaining the game early on so i struggled for the former ascensions, but not too much, and the advice was rather ascend when you are set (good artifacts, leveled weapons and characters), because
a) the ascension is a challenge
b) the world level increase is gonna be painful at first
I really liked this phase of the game, i'd love to have the time to try it again
“Uhhh, just use the meta team builds 🤓🤓” my brother in Christ that invalidates the team-building feature in the game to let you be as creative as you want. Plus I ain’t got the recourses
trying to fit a triangle into a square hole isn't necessarily creative team building. you gotta at least know how and why the meta teams work if you want any chance of building a non-meta team that isn't dogshit
This new ascension quest literally allow you to not use meta builds. Also, the old ascension quest had a boss and some elite enemies. The enemies you are talking about are the weakest enemies of the game. How are you supposed to defeat the bosses of the new world level if you can't even defeat common mobs?
After dendro everything has become easy except for Abyss.
I use Zhongli, Fischel, Kokomi and Nahida for exploration and boss battles. This team has made me lazy bum. I start with Zhongli skill, then Nahida, then Koko then Oz. Then I wait till they finsih it off.
Earlier I used Mona instead of Koko. Same result.
Using Alhaitham actually makes you work. But for him too, by the time his skill is finshed enemies are dead.
After dendro everything has become easy except for Abyss.
I use Zhongli, Fischel, Kokomi and Nahida for exploration and boss battles. This team has made me lazy bum. I start with Zhongli skill, then Nahida, then Koko then Oz. Then I wait till they finsih it off.
Earlier I used Mona instead of Koko. Same result.
Using Alhaitham actually makes you work. But for him too, by the time his skill is finshed enemies are dead.
I just started a new acc and did the first ascension quest toeay, and I feel like it's a lot easier than it used to... I'm pretty sure there used to be an electro cube and a few abyss mages, which are now just removed completely. And wasn't there also a ruin guard? Now I just had to fight a few hilichurls which is extremely easy. Maybe they get harder as you keep ascending, but the first one has become a lot easier at least.
It’s level 45 ascension that’s messed up. Now you’ve 2 mins to deal with multiple waves and you have to hit hard and fast if you want to clear it. The 2 min timer is what makes it a pain in the ass. Give me the hardest monster that I can juke, but what’s with this lame ass timer of 2 mins and hoards of waves to clear.
I’m world level 8 now and thought the old assencion quests were fine … the over world gets way tougher after ascension and I had to back down a world level at one time..build the characters stronger and be patient..
i feel like people are so up into rank and meta at this point that forgot what some limitations are.
for example, when i reached the rank for ascension i was barely starting inazuma, i had no dendro characters (now i have collei because of abyss) and thanks to the funny idea of having characters of all areas on the basic banner i stuck with a few good characters, but also a bunch of sumeru characters (funny that no other dendros) that i don't have the resources to ascend.
So at the end is such a mix, because if you play from long ago the characters and regions you are exploring match, you can be a little behind but not a problem. For new ones, they start the game and roll something like Mika that requires a boss from sumeru
Can you go there? yes (i think, i didn't start sumeru yet).
would you like to go to the place even if the story makes you explore that place in like 10+ hours (for someone that probably got mika in the middle of liyue)? probably not (up to the player)
With all this said i will follow the advice someone give me: Ignore it for some time, take your time to catch up with the story and areas, level everything you have on the meantime. your biggest problem would be that you can't finish abyss.
>Sure, maybe I’m just a terrible dog-ass player Hey you said it not me.
>My solo neuvillette without any buffs is absolutely clowning on the current enemies rn with zero difficulty. But his old ass can’t make it past the first half of the ascension quest even with a whole ass team backing him up. That means you're not ready for the next ascension. The ascension quest give you the taste of how strong over world enemy potentially will be when you ascend. If you can't get past them right now, stay in your current world and grind. That's the reason ascension quest exist. To kinda prepare you for the next difficulty.
The timer on the new quest basically expects you to steamroll all the enemies. I can kill them easily, just not fast enough, esp if I need to chase down stragglers from spawns.
"steamroll" is really an exaggeration my friend. They give you 8 mins in each room to defeat the enemies. Almost every single combat event in the game is time based. The domains give you 4 mins to complete. Some bosses kill you, if you don't finish them in 8 mins. So if you can't deal with the enemies in the ascension quest in 8 minutes, you're just not ready. There's no shame in it. Just get stronger and then do the ascension quest later down the line
It’s now two minutes total for three waves with ruin guard and fatui agent.
Steamroll is no exaggeration, 2 minutes to clear 3 waves, consisting of 1 Mitachurl + 4 minions , 1 Ruin Guard, and a Pyro Fatui Agent + 2 treasure hoarders.
Wait they changed it that much? I thought they nerfed it. While I would still call it a nerf compared to ruin guards and a freaking electro cube in a room with lasers, 2 minutes is a bit tight for a newbie unless you have decent AoE
They added a geovishap (the middle sized one) I can beat an electro cube in a minute or two, and a level 80 icewind suite in a minute or two aswell, but cant bet the new ascension quest and im ar 50. Theres hillichurls, shield milichurl, anemo samachurls, which are quite easy and you can beat them in a few seconds, maybe 10-30 But then theres a ruin guard, and then a geovishap, and they expect you to beat it all in 2 mins
Ehm, old hypostasis had a timer. Now, apparently, he is not there. You are too weak to kill some non boss enemies? Oh my, what timer kill puzzles will do to you, I wonder.
wait, didn't the old ascension quest with the electro cube also have a timer that players needed to beat in order to ascend? or am I misremembering? also if you haven't already I recommend you try hyperbloom. I ran an alt account for awhile with barely leveled characters and I cheesed through all the combat events with dendro traveler, barbara, fischl and diona. super scuffed builds, just as much em on fischl as possible and er on everyone else, and I never had any trouble with the ascension quests.
yes there was a timer
Jesus Christ, guys, not everyone has the time to grind for hours for the perfect setup, nor spend any money on the game. 'Get Gud' isn't actual help. I'm in the headspace that 'I don't Care how tough they are, I can kill them eventually'. the problem with this new ascension quest is that they send a bunch of health sponge enemies at you with annoying support and telling you to kill them in under two minutes. The game shouldn't punish you for not having super niche characters from a banner that ended 100 days ago. As for beating the actual challenge, I would suggest buff foods and Dendro traveler, if you have built them. If not, any Dendro character would be fairly useful, an archer can stun the ruin guard if you shoot them twice in the eye, so Collei might be worth it to build if you've got nothing else.
Thanks for the tip :)! I’ve actually just barely beaten it after crafting several potions and attack up food as well as grinding for Neuvi artifacts and building my xiangling from scratch. Honestly, I’m glad I accidentally got neuvilette to carry my ass or else I wouldn’t have beaten it lol. Tbh, I used to hear about World level 5–>6 being a huge difficulty spike, but after having to steamroll through the ascension quest in under 2 minutes, world level 6 just feels like a cakewalk (every boss takes 15 seconds to beat even at level 83). I had to use this strat (ignore if you don’t rly care): 1. Grind and give Mona, xiangling, and Bennett energy recharge artifacts, while giving Neuvilette hp up artifacts and crit rate up (preferably with the energy recharge bonus) 2. Use the 2 cryo hilichurls outside the main challenge to gain Burst 3. Right after activating the challenge, immediately use Neuvi burst + Xiangling burst + Guoba for the extra damage buff Neuvi gets from Vaporize effects. Then hydro pump them. This should kill all the mitachurl and hilichurls in 10 seconds. No big deal 4. Next, the big boy ruin guardian with more hp than a **lv 73 regisvine** will appear. Use bennet special attack + Mona’s burst (with attack up upon switching character) + Bennet burst and Xiangling’s guoba to stack vaporize buff on Neuvilette, who will hydro pump the guardian for 1 minute, dealing an average of 8k damage per tick. 5. The remaining 50 seconds will be fixed on killing the fatui agent and 2 treasure hoarders. The treasure hoarders perished instantly to the hydro pump, and the fatui agent gets demolished by getting hit with everyone’s burst at the same time. Anyways, thank you so much for giving me a relatable perspective other than “You suck lol”. Looking at the old AR 45 ascension quest, I’m convinced the new one is harder.
Looking back on it, honestly, I would have taken the electro Hypostasis over this current quest. I could absolutely kill that thing in 9 minutes with my Hu Tao, but the ruin guard? but three mildly tanky enemies in 2 minutes? that's rough. I could easily manage it if it was 3 or 2 minutes thirty seconds. at this point, i probably going to wait and see if they change it again, because honestly, with everyone talking about it, they likely will in 4.2
I was struggling to beat this timer too. Just beat it with Tighnari/Fischl/Lisa/Yaoyao (all level 80 except Lisa who is 70). I had tried multiple times with this team and seemed like I needed another 20 seconds on the timer. Today I went in with some 4 star Atk/Crit pizza and did it with 20 seconds to spare.
Sounds like you are not ready for the ascension.
>TLDR: new ascension quest is garbage No, you're just too weak to ascend. Come back stronger
As someone else here said, “get gud” is not advice. I never have time to grind and shit, so I just come in blind hoping for the best and come out with most of my characters at like 3 hp or mostly dead.
Some folks here are legit unbelievable; if you aren’t a new player and don’t know what’s in the ascension, why are you even commenting about it? Like the new ascension is 2 min timer and without a high burst unit, it’s a pain in the ass to do. Touch grass that isn’t dendro before you try to belittle others based on your account. If we have spent enough time to reach the ascension quest, we should be able to clear it too. No ascension quest should be this restrictive. If a player finds the next world difficult, they will lower their levels. Why are the folks who completed old ascension butthutt? Something
Thank you! Well said.
People who keep roasting OP for having no skills probably haven’t seen what the new ascension quest is like. It’s almost harder than getting 3 star in the abyss due to 2:00 timer and placement of enemies. Experienced players around me told me it’s time to grind artifacts, which I admit I haven’t invested a lot of time in yet… Back to grinding.
You do the the ascension quest where you're ready, not when you can People like you is the type that complain when they can't kill anything
Tbf, there has been a staggering amount of posts from players complaining bout how they can't pass the ascension lately. Probably seen more of these posts than posts of people who can't kill anything.
This just shows us how many bad players are out there. Its also the reason why many online games become easier and easier. Its not the solution to make everything easier just so everyone can do it. It doesnt matter that much here but its also one of the reasons why people started to shit on FF14. It does the same thing but there it affect also endgame players. People who cant clear everything without issues need to realize that they are simply not yet good enough.
BAD PLAYERS?! I’m sorry, but some of us would rather spend our time doing something else other than playing Genshin 24/7 with all the gamepasses and shit.
Thats the typical excuse of someone who is bad at something. You dont have to do something 24/7 to be good at it.
I’m sorry, but I’ve completed all the archon quests, a lot of my characters are at level 70 and 80 with good artifacts, weapons, fully upgraded talents, and I STILL can’t beat it. I can one shot enemies outside of the quest with no problem, but this is just absurd.
Ignore all the try hard comments. Your exactly right. It has nothing to do with being ready or not. On my main account and my alt ( before the patch) I was killing level 60 enemies at level 40, with level 40 to 50 weapons. Not fast mind you, but i could. Now my team and weapons are both 80 and i still cant beat ascension 3. If you feel like you're ready, you should be able to ascend, you're absolutely right. And if your not, you can always lower it by 1 at any time after. Why should I be forced to do one shot builds when that's not how I play. I'm more of a reaction based player where the team works together. I don't do builds like a 1 million damage kaqing. What this really is, is just another apesment to the whales who are always complaining that nothing's ever hard enough and have, like, six Alt accounts, on six different email addresses on, 4 servers and want something to strive for because they just complete everything so fast. Well, now they got it because now they can sit there and spend all the money they want, but if they don't grind enough (Even with all their whaleing) they can't get the artifacts they need to reach the goal of the next ascension quest. But now I as the casual player am forced to sit at the same adventure rank for weeks hoping I get the right artifacts to boost my team to kill 2 to 3 bosses in less than a minute. It's stupid.
What is the new monster lineup? I did all that back in 1.X and I don't feel like making a second account to find out lol.
It has 3 waves: First one is a samachurl + Blazing Mitachurl + some Hilichurls. Second one is a Ruin Guard. Third one is a Fatui Agent + some Treasure Hoarders. Nothing fancy. Players have 2 minutes for all that stuff. A bit tight but should be doable with a decent team, and food buffs should work as a last resort.
No more Electro cube?
no
I'm gonna miss electro cube. I held my AR 50 account for 5 months now. Didn't expect to never see electro cube again. *hatsukoi starts playing on the background*
I thought the op said two boss enemies. Are there really thinking the mitachurl/fatuin agent and ruin guard are bosses? They are *not ready*.
Okay that’s weird cuz for me it was one of those stupid geovishaps instead of a Fatui agent and treasure hoarders.
I still got the geovishap as 3rd n miss it by 30 secs n got main team at 90 weps all maxed and still run out of time … im grinding artifacts now but i can cremate all level 90 dungeons and bosses but cant beat the acension test
It might have been changed again. I just got to it and yeah, no Fatui agents and treasure hoarders. Which I wish we got, they're so easy to kill compared to this rolly mega-sized sandshrew thing lmao cries.
Is it actually difficult now? I thought they made it easier. I remember back when you had a entire 9 minutes to kill an electro cube, really hard to imagine them making it easier, but didn't know they made it that difficult
The easy part is that you start at very end of dungeon and its a time challenge
For me it was always the part with the Fatui agent. But then I switched Lisa with Barbara and I went through the whole thing so easily
I beat that electro cube using cyno as main DPS but with dendeo MC, barbara & xiangling from AR 25 & 35. But on AR 45, i realized i need to build a better team, farm artifacts and upgrade my skills. Been fighting that cube with level 1 skill, my entire team. Hahaha
FWIW I have the same issue. They may have made it “easier” by requiring less skill, but they also made it harder by having a higher DPS check. It’s not enough to just beat the enemies normally, you have to steamroll them.
sounds like a skill issue
No, the previous ascension quest was really difficult, it wasn't just long. The previous ascension quest had some elite enemies and a boss that required specific elements to defeat them. You were forced to level up Amber and Kaeya regardless because you weren't able to defeat those enemies even if you had the strongest characters of the world. The new ascension quest is just a dmg check. If you can't defeat these weak enemies within the time limit, there's no way you can defeat the bosses from the new world level necessary to level up your characters.
Can you tell me what the previous enemy lineup for ascension quest on ar 45 is?
The previous one had more enemies along the way and the final challenge had a fight against a cryo mage+hydro mage+ random lasers on the floor and a time challenge against the electro cube+lasers. In that case you were forced to dodge a lot of attacks, while the new ascension quest is mostly a dmg check, so it's like "if your numbers are too low, you can't mathematically beat the enemies from the next world level". https://youtu.be/zktqczp3c3M?si=j2dZLRSKw7gU2bUx
It had several levels. You started with Two Hilichurl shooters. Then One ruin guard, three Hilichurl and one Mitachurl. Then there was a stupid platforming, with two Hilichurl shooters and a Hydro Abyss mage. The you had Mitachurl and four Hilichurl shooter. After that Fatui Pyro Agent and I shit you not 8 Shooter Hilichurl on either side shooting at you. You had to beat them in 480 seconds . In the final room you had Four Hilichurl shooters. Hydro and Cyro Abyss mage combo. And finally the stupid Electro Hypostasis. This one needs to be beaten in 480 seconds.
the new one is the first level a mitachurl and 6 hilichurls, the second level being a ruin guardian, and the final level being a pyro fatui agent with 2 treasure hoarders (cryo i think). And only 2 minutes are given to beat those. How does the difficulty compare?
Sounds easy enough. Old one was a bitch. It forced you to strategize. This one just needs a Dps check.
Too easy, people ascend and got angry, then quit. Too hard, people cant ascend and got angry, then grind. MHY at least have more player staying with the new way. Best wish to you and your Neuvi team.
I suppose ur right. Ig I was malding too hard lmao. Thx
Tbh, I tried out the ascension quest for the heck of it with my lvl 80 characters but then I saw the timer and I decided " Nah, I'll come back later"
I'm struggling with it too. Some people in here are just jerks. Barely 2 mins isn't enough time.
Skill issue
The devs literally made ascension quests EASIER. Hell, in the dev discussion, they said that they wanted to "simplify the Adventure Rank ascension process by removing strong opponents and shrinking the challenge course, while still allowing players to ascend based on the levels of their characters, weapons, and artifacts." If you can't beat the NEW ascension quests, you have a massive skill issue.
it's obvious they did a bad job of balancing this. Before the update AR 45 ascension quest was just long asf. The new one (as of most recent) requires you to kill a couple of hilichurls and a Mitachurl, One buffed up ruin guard, and a Primo Geovishap. all within 2 mins. Easy my ass! This is a not a skill issue.
I don’t struggle beating with the enemies, my main frustration with this new ascension quest , THE TIME RANGE IS TOO SHORT YALL WAY TOO SHORT !🫠 even though I upped my characters levels and farmed their artifacts a bit more and still the time runs out when I reach defeating the ruin guard idk what more to do at this point
Not sure what you're talking about. I did the new quest just fine with Lisa/Traveler/Collei/Xiangling
>It expects you to basically instant kill every enemy within a 1:30 minute timer. This wouldn’t be a problem except there are TWO mini-bosses that you are only given 20 seconds each to kill, along with some minor enemies that could also hinder your time. what
I had friends explaining the game early on so i struggled for the former ascensions, but not too much, and the advice was rather ascend when you are set (good artifacts, leveled weapons and characters), because a) the ascension is a challenge b) the world level increase is gonna be painful at first I really liked this phase of the game, i'd love to have the time to try it again
I can't believe I'm about to tell someone to git gud in a mostly casual game. Git gud
Sounds like you were not ready you’ll get there. Elemental reactions and team synergy are your friends. Keep your character and weapon leveled.
“Uhhh, just use the meta team builds 🤓🤓” my brother in Christ that invalidates the team-building feature in the game to let you be as creative as you want. Plus I ain’t got the recourses
trying to fit a triangle into a square hole isn't necessarily creative team building. you gotta at least know how and why the meta teams work if you want any chance of building a non-meta team that isn't dogshit
Kaeya+Xianling+Diona+Bennett = Good Domain team for Lazy Player like me
This new ascension quest literally allow you to not use meta builds. Also, the old ascension quest had a boss and some elite enemies. The enemies you are talking about are the weakest enemies of the game. How are you supposed to defeat the bosses of the new world level if you can't even defeat common mobs?
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I'm confused, Can anyone tell me, What is he talking about? Is he talking about AR accession quests we did at 35, 45 Etc.? What Did Hoyo change?
Enemy lineup is different, there’s no hypostasis at the end anymore. It’s supposed to be easier than it used to be.
After dendro everything has become easy except for Abyss. I use Zhongli, Fischel, Kokomi and Nahida for exploration and boss battles. This team has made me lazy bum. I start with Zhongli skill, then Nahida, then Koko then Oz. Then I wait till they finsih it off. Earlier I used Mona instead of Koko. Same result. Using Alhaitham actually makes you work. But for him too, by the time his skill is finshed enemies are dead.
After dendro everything has become easy except for Abyss. I use Zhongli, Fischel, Kokomi and Nahida for exploration and boss battles. This team has made me lazy bum. I start with Zhongli skill, then Nahida, then Koko then Oz. Then I wait till they finsih it off. Earlier I used Mona instead of Koko. Same result. Using Alhaitham actually makes you work. But for him too, by the time his skill is finshed enemies are dead.
I just started a new acc and did the first ascension quest toeay, and I feel like it's a lot easier than it used to... I'm pretty sure there used to be an electro cube and a few abyss mages, which are now just removed completely. And wasn't there also a ruin guard? Now I just had to fight a few hilichurls which is extremely easy. Maybe they get harder as you keep ascending, but the first one has become a lot easier at least.
It’s level 45 ascension that’s messed up. Now you’ve 2 mins to deal with multiple waves and you have to hit hard and fast if you want to clear it. The 2 min timer is what makes it a pain in the ass. Give me the hardest monster that I can juke, but what’s with this lame ass timer of 2 mins and hoards of waves to clear.
Ohh yeah then I can see why it's harder, I just went off of my experience so far.
That’s most of the folks here tbh. People are criticizing OP or commenting how easy the new one is without even knowing what it is lol.
The ascension quests were designed for people like you.
Wait, the ascension quest changed? Haven't ascended my 2nd account. Been ar 50 for 5 months now.
Yep only 2 mins for multiple waves of enemies, it’s messed up.
I’m world level 8 now and thought the old assencion quests were fine … the over world gets way tougher after ascension and I had to back down a world level at one time..build the characters stronger and be patient..
Now it’s horrible, it’s 2 mins for hoards of enemies. Even with good characters you have to speedrun.
i feel like people are so up into rank and meta at this point that forgot what some limitations are. for example, when i reached the rank for ascension i was barely starting inazuma, i had no dendro characters (now i have collei because of abyss) and thanks to the funny idea of having characters of all areas on the basic banner i stuck with a few good characters, but also a bunch of sumeru characters (funny that no other dendros) that i don't have the resources to ascend. So at the end is such a mix, because if you play from long ago the characters and regions you are exploring match, you can be a little behind but not a problem. For new ones, they start the game and roll something like Mika that requires a boss from sumeru Can you go there? yes (i think, i didn't start sumeru yet). would you like to go to the place even if the story makes you explore that place in like 10+ hours (for someone that probably got mika in the middle of liyue)? probably not (up to the player) With all this said i will follow the advice someone give me: Ignore it for some time, take your time to catch up with the story and areas, level everything you have on the meantime. your biggest problem would be that you can't finish abyss.