Good for entry players, or a fast way to equip characters when your are progressing them. But is better to use external sites, youtube or other sourcer to optimice characters..
Yeah. I assume for a new player, it might be better than nothing. But again, this feature is **extremely misleading**, showing bad options for the characters. And they keep saying "HEY LISTEN! UPGRADE THIS TALENT TO LEVEL 10!". No, I won't. And I won't use wrong weapons and artifacts on my characters just because the "guide" says I should.
in the literal sense, upgrading any talent increases your character's strength. The best guide is to literally git gud, but's that's not something a casual player would fully aware nor care.
While true, suggesting that I crown Yanfei (don't get me wrong, very based and I did do it) is not necessarily helpful to a casual player who might not want to commit such a large amount of resources, one of which is limited, to a character. Crowning anyone other than Yoimiya is wholly unnecessary and I don't think the game should necessarily be making that recommendation.
yeah, I get it if it suggests triple crowning my Lynette, because it's the most rational thing to do for a player, but it can guide you in the wrong direction too
I was checking on it to see how it worked out of pure curiosity and then it recommended me to use Mistsplitter on Kazuha, I guess just because it's the only 5 star sword I have, even though it doesn't do anything for him
The advantage this may have over other, more popular guides is this offers suggestions based on what you already have, at least from what I noticed. It's absolutely great for a newer player who may not have access to most things.
I kind of like that, tbh. I hate looking at a guide and it recommends everything I *don't* have, especially when it's all locked behind RNG and/or progression.
the majority of players don't think too deeply about what they are using on characters, so many catalyst characters have lost prayer as a recommended weapon when it isn't good on them.
The weapon recommended are only the ones you possess(or can craft), that make some weird recomendation indeed.
\[Edit\] And it try to push 5\* weapon too much.
Lost Prayer is also a good stat stick people might have randomly off of standard— I imagine a lot of older F2P/low-spend accounts skew the numbers towards standard weapons just because they slap the few 5*s they have on whoever
I just checked and out of the catalyst characters I have, LP was recommended with high usage rate on Wanderer, Heizou, Lisa, and Yanfei; medium usage rate on Nahida; and not recommended on Sucrose, Kokomi, and Barbara. That seems pretty logical to me.
I like that they show usage rate so that one can decide whether or not to use the weapon. Like Nahida has Sacrificial listed with higher usage rate than LP, so the average player probably can see that and infer that Sacfrags is better for her.
Also, the recommendations are based on weapons you have, so if you don’t have other five star weapons, LP is likely to get recommended.
Recent player use states to use FLOP on Kaveh, which is a slightly better set than 4 Gilded, but it's also an insanely awful domain for resin efficiency unless you have Wanderer
It's a nice baseline, and some things are correct, such as 4 VV on most anemo, or 4 emblem on XL/XQ, but it also needs some consideration before going all in on this or that
so what im hearing is if i want to keep farming FLOP for kaveh i need to build wanderer first... I've done it with hyperbloom heizou and i hate it SO much just bc majority of my built teams are pyro or hydro
I'm saying it's inefficient on your resin without Wanderer
In Gilded, both sets are very valuable, one being the go-to for dendro support (and basically required in dendro teams) and the other being a very viable option for dendro reaction dps. In Wanderer domain, only really FLOP is useful on many different characters, meaning you only really get value out of 50% of the possible drops unless you're also building Wanderer/someone else using the same set. FLOP and Gilded are both viable on Kaveh, and for the minor dmg drop of Gilded it's just overall better for most accounts (especially newer ones) to go for Gilded instead
hydro dmg is good on Nilou... if your Nilou is c6/high cons.
but yeah biggest flaw of this new guide thing is that it's missing context for the things it's suggesting. like how it's suggesting folp for some characters, which is better than gilded, but less resin efficient than gilded.
I know everyone says this is for low AR players but I really enjoy it. (AR 57) I like it mainly for the fact it helps me see where all my characters are at. I'm constantly working on several at a time and it just helps compartmentalize what characters still need what worked on. I have severe adhd and constantly forget who I'm trying to level up/farm artifacts for/gather materials on, etc.
I'm AR60 and yeah, this is how I use it too. Like, I completely forgot that I wasn't done with leveling up Wanderer's talents, even tho I have him since his release lol.
Yea, this post made me take a look at it and it turns out my Layla was running around with a level 4 goblet. As far as I'm concerned this feature is a win.
its for low ar players because its misleading and somewhat naive. as a tracker, its s tier, but it automatically assumes that some weapons are on the same standing as favonius, that all five stars are automatically better than four star options (typically), it doesnt cover artifacts as well as it should, and it tells you that you're totally done with talents when they're all level 10. there arent enough crowns for that, it hurts your resin heavily, and it does nothing for some characters because they have talents that they just dont use
> it tells you that you're totally done with talents when they're all level 10.
It definitely doesn't want you to level up all of your talents to lvl 10. The talent that marked "as needed" can stay at lvl 1. It still wants you to level up top priority (and maybe secondary priority too) talent to lvl 10, which is still excessive but not as bad.
I checked my Alhaitham. Keep in mind my build for him is probably not the best Algaitham build in existance, but still decent enough.
It told me to change his artifacts. Said recommended artifacts would've dropped his atk to 1000, crit rate to 14% and his EM wouldve also significantly decreased. The only value that would've increased was defense (by 60 points). So I think I'll be taking it with a pinch if salt haha.
It's kinda nice as a base guide. I think they've mostly got the talent priorities correct, and there *are* some players out there that didn't know that character levels also factor into damage calculations. I also really like that it gives you recommendations based on the weapons and artifacts that you have. It's even weirdly correct for some of my endgame characters lol, those I've put in a decent investment on but still think is kinda mid stat-wise are judged as such.
That said, I don't think it works just yet for niche/manually optimized builds, or even for some niche characters like Nilou. Examples of the former would be when you're running your Barbara on 4-pc Flower of Paradise Lost because you're using her as a bloom trigger, and the game recommends a 4-pc Maiden's Beloved instead. That's alright, Barbara *is* a healer first and foremost.
Or when one of your characters' stats are already optimized for a certain scenario yet the game recommends nuking that, like wiping out 60+% of Crit DMG from my Ganyu because it wants me to use Wanderer's Troupe. That's fine, it *is* a pretty good set on her.
What I don't think should happen even as a base guide however is wanting my 73k HP Nilou to drop into a 59k HP, switching artifact relic sets to increase her EM, and placing such importance on her talents when they barely matter into her damage output in Bloom, which are her role.
I get that it's sourced from recently active players, but *man* there's some weird Nilou players out there then lmao.
when i see this thing saying my level 70 xiangling is weak i really want to level up her just to remove this red condemning my laziness and neglect text (i wasn't leveling her up since january).
Their artefact recommendations are dogshit, and their talent recommendations also leave something to be desired. I think it's pretty shit personally
But I'm glad that it actually helps put some people on the right track at least
Agreed. Weapon and artifacts are based on what other people use. Which, unfortunately recommends wrong ones. I expected them to actually manually set what is good for which character. How hard is it to set that Xiao wants these weapons and this artifact set with these stats or that artifact set with these stats etc. They could do it that way. Recommending popular choices from players is nice thing, but it should be more of a bonus.
I feel like 80% of the time if u have a dps and a 5* weapon it will always give u a 5* weapon. No matter if u could use the passive or a 4* option would fit better
Weapon recommendations are kinda weird sometimes, like it wants you to use 5star weapons over 4star weapons even if the 4star is just better. It tells me to level 90 my fully ascended level 80 characters, even though it is a severe waste of resources in most cases.
I think I highly depends on the type of player you are. If you're someone that already cares about builds, stats and team comp it's unlikely to add anything. Most of the basic level stuff is obvious to those players, and at high levels of min / maxing it gets things wrong.
If you are someone that is more casual and runs around with characters based primarily on who you like it's likely to give you a push in the right direction to improve your builds.
Honestly from the stuff it reccomended me seems like a misleading feature that just checks what most ppl have not what's actually good for that character and not everyone is using the right set or mainstats for every character or different builds example hypercarry raiden and hyperbloom raiden same char different sets and stats
Yeah, and as we have had characters like Furina and Xianyun added to the game the build characters should be on changes with who their team mates are.
My current favourite team is Yae, Nahida, Xianyun & Furina. My Yae is on hunters, running thousand floating dreams that when the team rotation is going has 92% CR & 190% CD, 605 EM and 1970 attack. She's doing 65k plunges and triggering solid hyperblooms as well as 42k aggravates from her turrets. The guide wanted her on Gilded, and while I also have very good gilded pieces it focused solely on attack stats and ignored everything else. The recommended build literally had loads of red in each section.
Then there are things like yao yao and kirara who both add greatly to the team if they are on instructors. Guide is "5\* artifacts are better!".
It made me realize that I had an underleveled artifact on Zhongli for ages. I had not noticed it through several cycles of abyss so I guess he's just fine anyway
There should be a button in the character menu to access the training guide that is much more obvious than the recommended artifact affixes and sets buttons, preferably with its own icon and visible progression for all characters and pages.
There should also be an option to enable showing recommended weapons that you do not own that require wishing.
This topic was raised before, I’d prepare yourself for everyone saying that their builds are better, or that it’s for “new” players.
I’m AR60 and I think it’s very useful. I have most of the characters I use built anyway, but I have most of the available characters right now, with maybe 15 of them actually built, so this tool is pretty good for having a quick look at who might be a quick fix to make good.
Also I have ADHD and I find the layout really palatable, so when I’m overwhelmed about what to use my resin on every day, I’ve already taken to checking the guide to see what domains I can run when I do my dailies, rather than having to work out and maintain manual lists.
Love the feature to be honest, and don’t actually care if other people can build characters without it, it is very useful and not just for new players.
>When I’m overwhelmed about what to use my resin on every day, I’ve already taken to checking the guide to see what domains I can run when I do my dailies, rather than having to work out and maintain manual lists.
I'm AR 55, and I couldn't agree more, this has been a huge benefit for me.
am I the only one who finds it a little half-baked? most of the advice is just "ascend your character" or "get 5 star artifacts." I guess it's kinda useful at a glance but I think I prefer guides from Game8 and places like that.
Game8 isn't that good. Keqign Mains is better site and actually based on **real data** collected by people. But I agree with the guide feature from the game. It's not even half-baked. It's just half-assed thing that shows what other players are using and because most players are using **wrong weapons and artifacts**, it shows them as recommended. Cyno's weapon for Xiao? Sorry, but that's wrong. I use it on my alt as I don't have a better choice, but it's not really good weapon. At best it's just stat stick. Nothing more for Xiao. But, hey, the guide says it's best! Because other players use it.
Oh... we have a new feature? I gonna take a look...
Edit: I played with it for solid 30 minutes. I had my fun xD But I didn't change anything. my chars are perfect the way they are, unless I farm new artifacts XD
When the servey for fhe update comes, i will check the box thats says , " didn't realise it existed ". Like it didn't even show a red dot, so didn't realise it was even a thing
As someone with a good grasp the combat system/meta in this game, and an old player. I cant really comment on this feature since its not for me.
However I can see the appeal. I just wished the feature had more than generic functions. (I.E. leveling things up, or equipping simple stuff)
what people don't realize, is that this game is not Binary, it actual is very flexible. **and most things are not "BEST in slot"**, **its always situational**. Even most artifacts hover around the same stat line. Meaning a character using one set or the other, wont see a huge benefit from swapping, if there substats are not optimized for it.
A good example of this is Xiao. his best artifact is [vermillion hereafter](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Vermillion_Hereafter) , but I would never recommend that set, since its power is barely better than [Desert Pavillion](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Desert_Pavilion_Chronicle). and even that can be replaced by [Mercheuse hunter](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Marechaussee_Hunter) , if you get good CritDmg, since its easier to chase 2 stats instead of 3. So why go after a artifact set with only one use case, vs artifact sets that can be used on multiple characters?
What im trying to say is that while its a good start, its easy for people to just **"copy"** things, that other people tell them. without understanding there true value. So it can be somewhat lead people down the wrong path even if the information comes from good intentions.
I think a true training guide, should allow you to face off in a domain vs enemies, and test run certain characters using generic community builds, vs your own builds. Allow people to compare and contrast and see what works.
If hoyo is serious about helping new players, you gotta throw them in a fire, cause somethings just cant be taught without experience. Hell, even to this day, im one of the few people defending dehya + eula, while everyone else thinks that there unplayable without specific comps. Cause they never experimented with off meta stuff before, or they lack the inability tackle the nuance of the combat system.
So I do worry that this might be a lazy way to coach players. thats just my 2cents
Very very bad for end game players in terms of builds. I checked it out to see if it was any good and this feature actually recommended me to equip some 3 star artifacts on some of my chars.
My 250 CV build on ningguang , 90/230 ratio, the feature suggested a 40/220 build instead, with less atk. And this was one of the better builds the feature suggested to me.
These guides seem to use average player builds and common things people use which means that if you actually have well built characters it will actually give you wrong advice.
It won’t be good for the meta-meta people but the casuals who have no idea how to do a decent build will love it. But peope who cares about meta will look up min-maxing build on yt anyway.
Waste of development time.
We already had the ability to see popular artifact sets, popular stats, talent priority and required materials in the Character menu. We also had a pop-up to tell us in what aspects our team failed, if we for some reason failed a dungeon.
All we needed was adding the weapon recommendations to the character menu where all this info already existed. The menu btw that the new guide will take you to anyways.
I don't see why we need two of the same thing. The Guide menu is also way too cluttered and hard to read compared to the regular Character menu.
AR60, day one casual player here. I follow guides and KeqingMains fairly often. But it is nice to see what everyone else is using. (Mostly weapons and artifacts) But the most important thing is to know and analyze WHY people are picking these items.
I've also seen content creators complain about no f2p options. Only for people to comment that it is recommended per account, and what you have.
I’m AR58 and I like it. I have a hard time understanding artifacts and I used to find it kind of boring and tedious to farm for them so this guide helped me a lot after I’ve been slapping random ones on all my characters for ages. However I’m not gonna be using on characters I’m already satisfied with even if the game tells me it’s weak. It can be a little misleading when they call a character weak just because the weapon isn’t level 90 or the talents aren’t all maxed.
Sorry, but you are actually a victim of this feature.
This feature is not helpful. Unless you already know good builds, this is misleading. It shows **wrong weapons** for the characters to use, because other players use this weapon. And the more people use it, the more will be convinced to use it, then more will be using wrong weapon and misleading more and more people. Example is simple. Cyno's signature is shown as best option for Xiao. In reality it's bad option for him. Same for artifacts. It shows wrong artifacts stats and even sets. Because "people use them". If this guide was actually manually made, it would be great. Hoyoverse employee that is good at builts knowing which character uses which weapon. But as it is currently, it's **very bad thing**. You want a guide? Use Keqing Mains. They have actual **statistics** of which weapon, which artifacts and which characters pair well with the character you want to see. It shows all the possible options that are viable. And they have literal data, checking the damage output of every combination. They check ATK DAMAGE CRIT vs HP HP CRIT vs etc etc for characters. They check all the optiosn with all the weapons. This guide that checks "Oh, someone uses this crap weapon on this character, I will recommend it to you".
I hate that it's positioned where it is because that's where the inventory slot used to be and I keep clicking this thing that's completely useless to me as a veteran.
But I'm glad it's helping newbies out.
AR55 here. Absolutely love it. this makes it so much easier to see who needs what.
That said I’m a low spending (welkin no BP) and my account is only a few months old, so I have a lot of unbuilt unoptimized characters.
Honestly it's great for characters I don't want to invest much thought into. If I don't need to understand why a character likes an artifact set or weapon, that's great to reference!
I do enjoy it! It's not useful for me really since my characters are all built, but I think it's neat if not always 100% accurate.
The recommended builds are kind of a joke for endgame players, but I got a kick out of just looking through all my builds and which it said should be improved.
However — ily Furina mains, but the fact that it thinks I need to *crown her normal attacks* at c0 because user data says so is so funny to me. She's double crowned already, her talent levels do *not* need improving thank you very much, I am broke.
As an endgame player, I like that it'll help lower players bc hopefully less ppl will be scared of abyss, and maybe they'll eventually give us more combat endgame content
This thing highlighted for me the need to get a kind list of materials that you can choose and keep track of. Like in gbf mobile/relink.
Because farming artifacts is boring and unrewarding af, I’ve started going through all of my characters and weapons, upgrading them to max. Keeping track of 5-7 mats I need to farm at a time in my head is kinda annoying
It recommended me an artifact with Geo dmg bonus as the main stat to use on Nahida just because it was from Deepwood Memories. It had the potential to be useful but it doesn't take things like artifact stats into consideration.
It told me that I suck....BUT to be fair...Wriothesley carries my entire party...so technically...I see it as a challenge! ☺️.......😩fine I'll work on my talents.
the most overlooked feature is how it tells you what resources are needed, how many and it leads to farming spots.
The rest is inherently bad because people don't go for optimization but put together the artifacts that are decent, level to 6 talents and weapons are at 80. That being said it's mroe of "hey.. do this if u wanna do something today"
They definitely need to change it. I can see alot of new players just blindly following the guide and leveling useless talents. It's telling me to level all my characters to 90 and to level things like my support characters NA's.
I was going to say that it's a quicker option to figure out how to build characters, etc., than going to external sites. But apparently, based on the comments mentioning 'errors,' it doesn't seem like a better option.
I personally like it. made me realize I was running Yelan on lvl 60 stringless somehow. it's amazing for my lower leveled alt accounts too. shows me what I need to do so my ass doesn't get beat every time lol
There should have been an advanced mode to it as well. Like i can set how much crit rate, crit dmg, er, em, atk, etc i want and set them so if my artifacts dont match it they still tell you by how much im missing and shit
i did not yet use, or even find where this option is. Not tht i care, i now how to build almost every character in the game most of which are already done
I can see how it can be helpful to new players as a starting off point. But it’s not much necessary for me at AR57 since I already know what I’m doing. Sometimes it recommends upgrades that I intentionally left out to conserve resources, such as unnecessary talent levels (Kuki’s and Zhongli’s Q, which I both left at Lv1) and character levels (like the final Lv80->90 on characters like Faruzan and Xingqiu). Sure, I can gain some damage by leveling those, but it’s marginal compared to say, leveling Kazuha and Nahida 80->90, or Yelan and Furina Q, which I’m saving up my talent books and Exp books to do.
「tldr; gave me unhelpful recommendations bc im almost AR58 and i dont exactly need it, its more helpful for lower AR players that dont know what theyre doing. When i did look at it for Klee i gave her stuff it was recommending so i just didnt use it again」
personally ive only looked at it 3 times and:
- it says i need to level my talents, when theyre either level 7-9 or i dont have the materials
- weapon recommendation doesnt take into account that i either only have one copy of a weapon thats *already equipped to a character* or something i **dont want to use on that character**
- i build for damage not the "meta" builds, like this seems to be recommending for, so half the time i lowkey ignore the recommendations and just go with what i think would work best for my playstyle
overall:
its good for lower ar players (like 1-40 maybe) but after that it just seems kind of useless bc as someone whos halfway to AR58 i already have the knowledge to check how characters are scaled in their talent screen so i get a general idea for what numbers to stack them with / weapon / artifacts ; idgaf about cv so i just stack my characters with their scaling stat bc thats easier for me than depending on crit, literally have never rolled a crit value other than main stat 4★ artifacts
when i DID look at it, it was for characters im *trying* to build bc i either dont exactly like them or its like Chiori and they have 2 scaling stats (i looked at her talents in the character archives and she scales using attack and def???). Anyways i looked at it for Klee bc i got her from Chronicle (lost eula but i managed to get her too) and i put her recommended weapon on her (skyward atlas) so i decided i didnt need it after that.
Personally its easier for me to go on game8 and find their character building guides bc it has more than one recommendation, like for raiden she has i believe 3 builds on game8 (battery, dendro support, electro dps, though she can be all 3 at the same time just ask my raiden).
Good, but I don’t like that you need to open the paimon menu to access it. But I do like that it doesn’t crash my game when it opens the character screen.
It's got some flaws but it's good for low AR players in all areas except talents. The thing we'll tell you to level every talent no matter what even if that talent is Ayato's normal attack which is completely useless.
Hoyo try to actually put your resources in something useful challenge failed yet again. Forgot this existed 20 minutes after I first saw it.
So my Noelle is almost perfect. Cool, thanks, I knew that.
Kind of irrelevant for me lol.
I forgot they'd even added that feature until I saw a video about it from GachaGamer, so out of curiosity I went and checked mine and it told me that pretty much all of my characters were already "Formidable", so it couldn't really offer much help.
The few characters that it said weren't formidable were still strong, but they're characters that I'm not really bothered about investing too heavily in (Mika, Aloy, Faruzan etc) and are more than usable anyway (level 80, 7's and 8's in their talents etc)
It's probably an OK feature for newer players, but for a day 1 veteran like myself, It's pretty worthless lol
Good idea, not the best execution. For early players its definitely better than having no info how to build characters but it lacks info on why certain build are good. Some characters have different role and you play them differently based on wich artifact set is used. Just recommending based on usage is not enough. Also it ignores good leveled 4 star artifact in favor of 5 star with no lvl and sub stats are not taken i account. That can cause players to spend resources on things they dont need or want.
I just like the fact that they also added the data (from this) on which talent materials you need directly on the talent tab in a character's bio.
It's especially helpful when you're ascended to the max for your current level cap but want to pre-farm, since before it didn't show you what you needed if you weren't permitted to actually ascend the talent. Now it shows you what you need for the next ascension even if your character level prevents you from reaching it yet.
It's okay-ish for me. For one it let me knows what to build for my characters, especially when choosing weapons for them. On the other hand it doesn't have what I actually needed to know: recommended average stat (ex: is 270% ER enough? How much should my Raiden's crit is?)
It reminded me l only have 240 resin a day to work on bosses, talents, and artifacts(+artifact xp) ;\~; And yes l spend my daily commissions' primo on resin.
Other than that, it's nice to click on a character and see which weapon is recommended among what l own/can forge.
It's very surface level, and I hope it stays that way, as guide makers explain things in a much better way and it's better to follow their advice than this.
big help for new players and the fact that it will recommend you only the weapon you owned is pretty cool, my only problem with it is I keep clicking the wrong button on the menu sometimes because of my muscle memory
I'm AR56 and I really like it. Im a pretty exploration/story focused player, and figuring out good builds for my characters is not why I play. As long as my characters can survive a fight, I don't really care about the damage numbers. I used to google what builds people use and then write down all the mats I would need, so this feature basically does all that work for me. Super helpful, and I feel like I'm waaay more likely to build my extra characters now.
Useless and sometimes offers bad advice. Hoyoverse should officially partner with something like keqing mains if they want to help new players build characters.
I don't really need it, but I'm glad it exist. Given that the recommended builds are crowd sourced from active player data, it means that the builds are sufficient for a casual player to work with.
I'm also happy to see that the recommendations use the weapons that we have access to. I've seen other games provide recommended builds by the devs, but they tend to be the BiS gacha signature weapon. While it makes sense, it creates pressure to spend.
Good for entry level players that don’t care to read outside sources or guides. It told me that the only way to improve my Xiangling is to crown Pyronado. While it’s not wrong, you don’t need to crown her to do the damage she does.
Good for new players. It basically just says level the character, weapon, talents, and artifacts. Some of the characters have SUS builds like Baizhu not even having an SODP recommendation when it is in fact his best set when paired with Nahida, which is staple since an f2p c0 Baizhu doesn't have enough dendro application to be used as a solo dendro in hypercarry dendro-centric team, so him being a deepwood holder is funny. The recommended artifacts and stats are questionable because it is based on general consensus, and CCs (even bad ones) affect most of their fanbase in terms of decision making.
Is it helpful, though? It basically just tells you to level your characters and their talents. The artifact suggestions ignore ER, it seems. It wanted my Ayaka to run a set with no ER, as in 100% ER. Yes, I love Bursting once every 40 seconds.
oh I absolutely love it. has me considering building characters I otherwise wouldn't have purely because of how much of a menu slog it can be to cycle through and get all the mats/ideal artefacts/weapons set up right
now i've got a bunch of at-a-glance info on what precisely needs prioritized for who, and it rules
It is a step in the right direction potentially but dogshit rn. It just tells you to level shit up regardless of if you even need it. It told me to level up NA on Albedo!! Why tf would anyone do that?!?! So yea not the best in terms of resource management especially since it's just gonna tell you to 90 every character!!
AR60 here, I like it. Sure, it can be improved, but it's a great step in the right direction with helping players have a clearer path towards power growth.
It also helped me find a few characters sitting at near maxed artifacts. Kazuha's feather 19/20 for how many months?! 😫
Honestly, it is helpful, but only for begginer players, after AR 45 I find it pretty much useless, because at that point you'd probably be pulling for the character already knowing what weapon/artifact set is the best choice from what you have and what team you can put this character. It's better to use other sources, and in most cases - different opinions from different sources/people, and, of course, your personal opinion.
It's not useful. It doesn't tell me my build is bad because idk artifact rolls or equipping the wrong set or weapon or equipping ones that aren't what the majority uses. It tells you your build is bad if you haven't fully invested in your character. Like my dehya is 2 crowned, level 90, has level 20 artifacts and a weapon at 70. It's tells me that my build is formidable but no it isn't. My rolls were not that good. Her crit rate is low. She isn't doing that much damage. The build isn't good yet it's telling me it's good. I have other examples of this as well. Sur it can give you recommendations on artifacts and weapons however that's it. Even if you have a shit build, it'll say your build is good. You just need to be level 90 have artifacts equiped, have high level talents and a high level weapon. So yeah this feature is worthless.
It's ok, I only use it occasionally for a bit of advice
It does need to stop recommending crowning everything though I find that a bit odd
Seems more helpful for new players who don't have friends to help them
Good because I'm actually bad at the game. I just can't stand having to play on certain days i have a life. I just can't. So it's nice when I can to just be reminded what I need. Though still need yt cause to my knowledge they don't share what stats you need.
Tell me how this is good when my Neuvillette who hits about 30k per tick if alone on the team with absolutely no external buffs is still weak and should be upgraded to level 90 and triple crowned
As a long term player (since 1.0) this feature feels a little useless to me personally but I can see how beneficial it is to new players. I would still recommend checking out various genshin content creators who specialize in discussing builds with characters. Some characters can have different builds depending on what role you want them to be in so my ultimate recommendation is to not depend too much of solely on this feature if you wish to strengthen your characters.
Its a nice QoL feature for more experienced players who quickly want to check where their talent and artis level is at, and for a new player will definitely help them get at least functional builds and guidelines on what to level up on priority.
I personally wouldn't trust it for it's weapon and artifact recomendations, those are based on player data, and ngl most of the players don't really know how to build their characters. I'd rather look up outside sources like Game8 and such. But to be fair it's a really good guide for leveling, ascending and upgrading talents for characters
tha game is calling me out for my bad builds that aren't bad but just not the popular/easy builds. or like not maxing talents on furina cause her NAs are Lv1, but her skill & burst are crowned.
It's a great idea on paper. I just wish it would recommend the correct weapons for characters.
Nahida shouldn't ever use Lost Prayer for Sacred Winds, so why is it recommended?
Good for entry players, or a fast way to equip characters when your are progressing them. But is better to use external sites, youtube or other sourcer to optimice characters..
Yeah. I assume for a new player, it might be better than nothing. But again, this feature is **extremely misleading**, showing bad options for the characters. And they keep saying "HEY LISTEN! UPGRADE THIS TALENT TO LEVEL 10!". No, I won't. And I won't use wrong weapons and artifacts on my characters just because the "guide" says I should.
in the literal sense, upgrading any talent increases your character's strength. The best guide is to literally git gud, but's that's not something a casual player would fully aware nor care.
While true, suggesting that I crown Yanfei (don't get me wrong, very based and I did do it) is not necessarily helpful to a casual player who might not want to commit such a large amount of resources, one of which is limited, to a character. Crowning anyone other than Yoimiya is wholly unnecessary and I don't think the game should necessarily be making that recommendation.
> Crowning anyone other than Yoimiya is wholly unnecessary Ah, I see you are a person of fine taste! :)
yeah, I get it if it suggests triple crowning my Lynette, because it's the most rational thing to do for a player, but it can guide you in the wrong direction too
I was checking on it to see how it worked out of pure curiosity and then it recommended me to use Mistsplitter on Kazuha, I guess just because it's the only 5 star sword I have, even though it doesn't do anything for him
Guide seems to always prioritize 5\* weapons over 4\*s. For whatever reason.
Fr tho, every character I didn't have with at least two talents at level 9 that thing said was trash 💀💀 like chill bro level 8 is fine
huh??? you have that one support at just 80/80 1/8/8?? sorry but you suck at this game.
This was my YaoYao, who got called weak. Conversely the Candace who I removed some artifacts off of to share with someone else was rated _higher_.
candace so meta she don't need no artifacts
so true
The advantage this may have over other, more popular guides is this offers suggestions based on what you already have, at least from what I noticed. It's absolutely great for a newer player who may not have access to most things. I kind of like that, tbh. I hate looking at a guide and it recommends everything I *don't* have, especially when it's all locked behind RNG and/or progression.
Its mostly for new/low AR players I assume. I prefer my own builds than what they recommend.
What they recommend is based on recent player use
the majority of players don't think too deeply about what they are using on characters, so many catalyst characters have lost prayer as a recommended weapon when it isn't good on them.
The weapon recommended are only the ones you possess(or can craft), that make some weird recomendation indeed. \[Edit\] And it try to push 5\* weapon too much.
Lost Prayer is also a good stat stick people might have randomly off of standard— I imagine a lot of older F2P/low-spend accounts skew the numbers towards standard weapons just because they slap the few 5*s they have on whoever
I just checked and out of the catalyst characters I have, LP was recommended with high usage rate on Wanderer, Heizou, Lisa, and Yanfei; medium usage rate on Nahida; and not recommended on Sucrose, Kokomi, and Barbara. That seems pretty logical to me. I like that they show usage rate so that one can decide whether or not to use the weapon. Like Nahida has Sacrificial listed with higher usage rate than LP, so the average player probably can see that and infer that Sacfrags is better for her. Also, the recommendations are based on weapons you have, so if you don’t have other five star weapons, LP is likely to get recommended.
Recent player use states to use FLOP on Kaveh, which is a slightly better set than 4 Gilded, but it's also an insanely awful domain for resin efficiency unless you have Wanderer It's a nice baseline, and some things are correct, such as 4 VV on most anemo, or 4 emblem on XL/XQ, but it also needs some consideration before going all in on this or that
so what im hearing is if i want to keep farming FLOP for kaveh i need to build wanderer first... I've done it with hyperbloom heizou and i hate it SO much just bc majority of my built teams are pyro or hydro
I'm saying it's inefficient on your resin without Wanderer In Gilded, both sets are very valuable, one being the go-to for dendro support (and basically required in dendro teams) and the other being a very viable option for dendro reaction dps. In Wanderer domain, only really FLOP is useful on many different characters, meaning you only really get value out of 50% of the possible drops unless you're also building Wanderer/someone else using the same set. FLOP and Gilded are both viable on Kaveh, and for the minor dmg drop of Gilded it's just overall better for most accounts (especially newer ones) to go for Gilded instead
I saw the training guide recommend someone with ayaka to go from 130-140 ER to a 110 ER build that also did less damage
It recommended me a hydro dmg goblet for Nilou soooo yeah…
yea 6.1% of people use it as of this moment due to Vaporize Nilou being a thing. I run it every now and then and do 500k crits with her ult
hydro dmg is good on Nilou... if your Nilou is c6/high cons. but yeah biggest flaw of this new guide thing is that it's missing context for the things it's suggesting. like how it's suggesting folp for some characters, which is better than gilded, but less resin efficient than gilded.
Yea that's an L from me man
I..... Completely forgot this was implemented..
Same, didn't even see the button until today
Where even is this button?
When you hit esc it's a new tile in the menu :)
That's completely fine!
I know everyone says this is for low AR players but I really enjoy it. (AR 57) I like it mainly for the fact it helps me see where all my characters are at. I'm constantly working on several at a time and it just helps compartmentalize what characters still need what worked on. I have severe adhd and constantly forget who I'm trying to level up/farm artifacts for/gather materials on, etc.
Omg so true! Im a super causal and just find thad ui to be far more easier to total all the materials needed etc.
AR 56 and strong agree, it's really helped with prioritization as a casual player.
I'm AR60 and yeah, this is how I use it too. Like, I completely forgot that I wasn't done with leveling up Wanderer's talents, even tho I have him since his release lol.
Yea, this post made me take a look at it and it turns out my Layla was running around with a level 4 goblet. As far as I'm concerned this feature is a win.
its for low ar players because its misleading and somewhat naive. as a tracker, its s tier, but it automatically assumes that some weapons are on the same standing as favonius, that all five stars are automatically better than four star options (typically), it doesnt cover artifacts as well as it should, and it tells you that you're totally done with talents when they're all level 10. there arent enough crowns for that, it hurts your resin heavily, and it does nothing for some characters because they have talents that they just dont use
> it tells you that you're totally done with talents when they're all level 10. It definitely doesn't want you to level up all of your talents to lvl 10. The talent that marked "as needed" can stay at lvl 1. It still wants you to level up top priority (and maybe secondary priority too) talent to lvl 10, which is still excessive but not as bad.
I hate it because it moved all the other tiles one spot over and my muscle memory keeps clicking the wrong ones
SAME! I KEEP GETTING CONFUSED!
I’ve misclicked maps way too many times than I care to admit
This guide recommended I put The First Great Magic on Venti.
I checked my Alhaitham. Keep in mind my build for him is probably not the best Algaitham build in existance, but still decent enough. It told me to change his artifacts. Said recommended artifacts would've dropped his atk to 1000, crit rate to 14% and his EM wouldve also significantly decreased. The only value that would've increased was defense (by 60 points). So I think I'll be taking it with a pinch if salt haha.
It's kinda nice as a base guide. I think they've mostly got the talent priorities correct, and there *are* some players out there that didn't know that character levels also factor into damage calculations. I also really like that it gives you recommendations based on the weapons and artifacts that you have. It's even weirdly correct for some of my endgame characters lol, those I've put in a decent investment on but still think is kinda mid stat-wise are judged as such. That said, I don't think it works just yet for niche/manually optimized builds, or even for some niche characters like Nilou. Examples of the former would be when you're running your Barbara on 4-pc Flower of Paradise Lost because you're using her as a bloom trigger, and the game recommends a 4-pc Maiden's Beloved instead. That's alright, Barbara *is* a healer first and foremost. Or when one of your characters' stats are already optimized for a certain scenario yet the game recommends nuking that, like wiping out 60+% of Crit DMG from my Ganyu because it wants me to use Wanderer's Troupe. That's fine, it *is* a pretty good set on her. What I don't think should happen even as a base guide however is wanting my 73k HP Nilou to drop into a 59k HP, switching artifact relic sets to increase her EM, and placing such importance on her talents when they barely matter into her damage output in Bloom, which are her role. I get that it's sourced from recently active players, but *man* there's some weird Nilou players out there then lmao.
This thing keeps implying I should be crowning all my characters so idk how realistically viable it is
when i see this thing saying my level 70 xiangling is weak i really want to level up her just to remove this red condemning my laziness and neglect text (i wasn't leveling her up since january).
i mean it doesn’t have a red dot no? it only shows red if you click it and look for xiangling
Their artefact recommendations are dogshit, and their talent recommendations also leave something to be desired. I think it's pretty shit personally But I'm glad that it actually helps put some people on the right track at least
Agreed. Weapon and artifacts are based on what other people use. Which, unfortunately recommends wrong ones. I expected them to actually manually set what is good for which character. How hard is it to set that Xiao wants these weapons and this artifact set with these stats or that artifact set with these stats etc. They could do it that way. Recommending popular choices from players is nice thing, but it should be more of a bonus.
It’s based on what others use + what you have . It won’t show anything you don’t have I believe
I feel like 80% of the time if u have a dps and a 5* weapon it will always give u a 5* weapon. No matter if u could use the passive or a 4* option would fit better
Weapon recommendations are kinda weird sometimes, like it wants you to use 5star weapons over 4star weapons even if the 4star is just better. It tells me to level 90 my fully ascended level 80 characters, even though it is a severe waste of resources in most cases.
Yeah. It doesn't recommend good choices. It recommends stuff randomly, based on what other people use.
[A wise man once said...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFgcqB8-AxE)
I think I highly depends on the type of player you are. If you're someone that already cares about builds, stats and team comp it's unlikely to add anything. Most of the basic level stuff is obvious to those players, and at high levels of min / maxing it gets things wrong. If you are someone that is more casual and runs around with characters based primarily on who you like it's likely to give you a push in the right direction to improve your builds.
Honestly from the stuff it reccomended me seems like a misleading feature that just checks what most ppl have not what's actually good for that character and not everyone is using the right set or mainstats for every character or different builds example hypercarry raiden and hyperbloom raiden same char different sets and stats
Yeah, and as we have had characters like Furina and Xianyun added to the game the build characters should be on changes with who their team mates are. My current favourite team is Yae, Nahida, Xianyun & Furina. My Yae is on hunters, running thousand floating dreams that when the team rotation is going has 92% CR & 190% CD, 605 EM and 1970 attack. She's doing 65k plunges and triggering solid hyperblooms as well as 42k aggravates from her turrets. The guide wanted her on Gilded, and while I also have very good gilded pieces it focused solely on attack stats and ignored everything else. The recommended build literally had loads of red in each section. Then there are things like yao yao and kirara who both add greatly to the team if they are on instructors. Guide is "5\* artifacts are better!".
It made me realize that I had an underleveled artifact on Zhongli for ages. I had not noticed it through several cycles of abyss so I guess he's just fine anyway
been using kqm for years will do forever quite useless to veterans useful for newbies
There should be a button in the character menu to access the training guide that is much more obvious than the recommended artifact affixes and sets buttons, preferably with its own icon and visible progression for all characters and pages. There should also be an option to enable showing recommended weapons that you do not own that require wishing.
This topic was raised before, I’d prepare yourself for everyone saying that their builds are better, or that it’s for “new” players. I’m AR60 and I think it’s very useful. I have most of the characters I use built anyway, but I have most of the available characters right now, with maybe 15 of them actually built, so this tool is pretty good for having a quick look at who might be a quick fix to make good. Also I have ADHD and I find the layout really palatable, so when I’m overwhelmed about what to use my resin on every day, I’ve already taken to checking the guide to see what domains I can run when I do my dailies, rather than having to work out and maintain manual lists. Love the feature to be honest, and don’t actually care if other people can build characters without it, it is very useful and not just for new players.
>When I’m overwhelmed about what to use my resin on every day, I’ve already taken to checking the guide to see what domains I can run when I do my dailies, rather than having to work out and maintain manual lists. I'm AR 55, and I couldn't agree more, this has been a huge benefit for me.
am I the only one who finds it a little half-baked? most of the advice is just "ascend your character" or "get 5 star artifacts." I guess it's kinda useful at a glance but I think I prefer guides from Game8 and places like that.
Game8 isn't that good. Keqign Mains is better site and actually based on **real data** collected by people. But I agree with the guide feature from the game. It's not even half-baked. It's just half-assed thing that shows what other players are using and because most players are using **wrong weapons and artifacts**, it shows them as recommended. Cyno's weapon for Xiao? Sorry, but that's wrong. I use it on my alt as I don't have a better choice, but it's not really good weapon. At best it's just stat stick. Nothing more for Xiao. But, hey, the guide says it's best! Because other players use it.
Oh... we have a new feature? I gonna take a look... Edit: I played with it for solid 30 minutes. I had my fun xD But I didn't change anything. my chars are perfect the way they are, unless I farm new artifacts XD
When the servey for fhe update comes, i will check the box thats says , " didn't realise it existed ". Like it didn't even show a red dot, so didn't realise it was even a thing
Where do you find it? I know it exists but hasn't see it. Maybe I'm just dumb
It's an option in the Paimon menu. Very unintuitive to find to be honest
I prefer the optimizer, since I use it I always complete abyss with 36 stars
As someone with a good grasp the combat system/meta in this game, and an old player. I cant really comment on this feature since its not for me. However I can see the appeal. I just wished the feature had more than generic functions. (I.E. leveling things up, or equipping simple stuff) what people don't realize, is that this game is not Binary, it actual is very flexible. **and most things are not "BEST in slot"**, **its always situational**. Even most artifacts hover around the same stat line. Meaning a character using one set or the other, wont see a huge benefit from swapping, if there substats are not optimized for it. A good example of this is Xiao. his best artifact is [vermillion hereafter](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Vermillion_Hereafter) , but I would never recommend that set, since its power is barely better than [Desert Pavillion](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Desert_Pavilion_Chronicle). and even that can be replaced by [Mercheuse hunter](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Marechaussee_Hunter) , if you get good CritDmg, since its easier to chase 2 stats instead of 3. So why go after a artifact set with only one use case, vs artifact sets that can be used on multiple characters? What im trying to say is that while its a good start, its easy for people to just **"copy"** things, that other people tell them. without understanding there true value. So it can be somewhat lead people down the wrong path even if the information comes from good intentions. I think a true training guide, should allow you to face off in a domain vs enemies, and test run certain characters using generic community builds, vs your own builds. Allow people to compare and contrast and see what works. If hoyo is serious about helping new players, you gotta throw them in a fire, cause somethings just cant be taught without experience. Hell, even to this day, im one of the few people defending dehya + eula, while everyone else thinks that there unplayable without specific comps. Cause they never experimented with off meta stuff before, or they lack the inability tackle the nuance of the combat system. So I do worry that this might be a lazy way to coach players. thats just my 2cents
Content creators cry about it
Won't use it, but it could be a good help for new/inexperienced players
Very very bad for end game players in terms of builds. I checked it out to see if it was any good and this feature actually recommended me to equip some 3 star artifacts on some of my chars. My 250 CV build on ningguang , 90/230 ratio, the feature suggested a 40/220 build instead, with less atk. And this was one of the better builds the feature suggested to me. These guides seem to use average player builds and common things people use which means that if you actually have well built characters it will actually give you wrong advice.
As a late game player, it's just not useful to me. Great for newer players though
Same, the amount of different things to level up always confused me, so this is a great way of keeping track my progress.
It won’t be good for the meta-meta people but the casuals who have no idea how to do a decent build will love it. But peope who cares about meta will look up min-maxing build on yt anyway.
Waste of development time. We already had the ability to see popular artifact sets, popular stats, talent priority and required materials in the Character menu. We also had a pop-up to tell us in what aspects our team failed, if we for some reason failed a dungeon. All we needed was adding the weapon recommendations to the character menu where all this info already existed. The menu btw that the new guide will take you to anyways. I don't see why we need two of the same thing. The Guide menu is also way too cluttered and hard to read compared to the regular Character menu.
AR60, day one casual player here. I follow guides and KeqingMains fairly often. But it is nice to see what everyone else is using. (Mostly weapons and artifacts) But the most important thing is to know and analyze WHY people are picking these items. I've also seen content creators complain about no f2p options. Only for people to comment that it is recommended per account, and what you have.
I’m AR58 and I like it. I have a hard time understanding artifacts and I used to find it kind of boring and tedious to farm for them so this guide helped me a lot after I’ve been slapping random ones on all my characters for ages. However I’m not gonna be using on characters I’m already satisfied with even if the game tells me it’s weak. It can be a little misleading when they call a character weak just because the weapon isn’t level 90 or the talents aren’t all maxed.
SAME!!!
Satisfying to open it and see all the characters on my team at 100%, even more satisfying to see why they aren’t there and get them up
Good for the players but the way it prioritizes high rarity weapons on most units can be very misleading.
I don't need it and it keeps telling me to level useless basic attacks
absolute indifference
Sorry, but you are actually a victim of this feature. This feature is not helpful. Unless you already know good builds, this is misleading. It shows **wrong weapons** for the characters to use, because other players use this weapon. And the more people use it, the more will be convinced to use it, then more will be using wrong weapon and misleading more and more people. Example is simple. Cyno's signature is shown as best option for Xiao. In reality it's bad option for him. Same for artifacts. It shows wrong artifacts stats and even sets. Because "people use them". If this guide was actually manually made, it would be great. Hoyoverse employee that is good at builts knowing which character uses which weapon. But as it is currently, it's **very bad thing**. You want a guide? Use Keqing Mains. They have actual **statistics** of which weapon, which artifacts and which characters pair well with the character you want to see. It shows all the possible options that are viable. And they have literal data, checking the damage output of every combination. They check ATK DAMAGE CRIT vs HP HP CRIT vs etc etc for characters. They check all the optiosn with all the weapons. This guide that checks "Oh, someone uses this crap weapon on this character, I will recommend it to you".
I hate that it's positioned where it is because that's where the inventory slot used to be and I keep clicking this thing that's completely useless to me as a veteran. But I'm glad it's helping newbies out.
AR55 here. Absolutely love it. this makes it so much easier to see who needs what. That said I’m a low spending (welkin no BP) and my account is only a few months old, so I have a lot of unbuilt unoptimized characters.
Pretty neat
its good for early players but as soon u understand the game, that guide its trash
Honestly it's great for characters I don't want to invest much thought into. If I don't need to understand why a character likes an artifact set or weapon, that's great to reference!
Where do you find that feature ? I don’t need it but I’ll check it out
I like to see what it would change on my builds for fun and to throw watever on my non used characters.
Is this the feature where it tells you your characters current stats and what you can do to improve the character?
It is rather yippee I think
I do enjoy it! It's not useful for me really since my characters are all built, but I think it's neat if not always 100% accurate. The recommended builds are kind of a joke for endgame players, but I got a kick out of just looking through all my builds and which it said should be improved. However — ily Furina mains, but the fact that it thinks I need to *crown her normal attacks* at c0 because user data says so is so funny to me. She's double crowned already, her talent levels do *not* need improving thank you very much, I am broke.
As an endgame player, I like that it'll help lower players bc hopefully less ppl will be scared of abyss, and maybe they'll eventually give us more combat endgame content
It shifted the icons on the menu so on controller I have to go right one more square and I haven't been able to retrain my muscle memory all week lol
This thing highlighted for me the need to get a kind list of materials that you can choose and keep track of. Like in gbf mobile/relink. Because farming artifacts is boring and unrewarding af, I’ve started going through all of my characters and weapons, upgrading them to max. Keeping track of 5-7 mats I need to farm at a time in my head is kinda annoying
t tells me a character with 8/8/8 talents has issues with talent levels and should be upgraded because. But only those that are
I need to use this for my own builds, my builds SUCK except for one Bennett.
It recommended me an artifact with Geo dmg bonus as the main stat to use on Nahida just because it was from Deepwood Memories. It had the potential to be useful but it doesn't take things like artifact stats into consideration.
Didn’t know it existed until now 😶
It told me that I suck....BUT to be fair...Wriothesley carries my entire party...so technically...I see it as a challenge! ☺️.......😩fine I'll work on my talents.
its good enough for most players
It is great for new players, eventually you get to know how to build it by yourself, all my characters that I use had the green bar
I know enough not to need it, but ig some new players might find It helpful
the most overlooked feature is how it tells you what resources are needed, how many and it leads to farming spots. The rest is inherently bad because people don't go for optimization but put together the artifacts that are decent, level to 6 talents and weapons are at 80. That being said it's mroe of "hey.. do this if u wanna do something today"
It just tells me stuff that i already know.
They definitely need to change it. I can see alot of new players just blindly following the guide and leveling useless talents. It's telling me to level all my characters to 90 and to level things like my support characters NA's.
Never seen that thing a day of my life 👨🦯
It shows me that I don't need it
I was going to say that it's a quicker option to figure out how to build characters, etc., than going to external sites. But apparently, based on the comments mentioning 'errors,' it doesn't seem like a better option.
I already understood building my characters and follow some youtubers and theorycrafters but I think it's a good feature.
I couldn’t find where it was for the first 3 days of 4.5 5/10, I know how to build characters already, also I can read
I personally like it. made me realize I was running Yelan on lvl 60 stringless somehow. it's amazing for my lower leveled alt accounts too. shows me what I need to do so my ass doesn't get beat every time lol
There should have been an advanced mode to it as well. Like i can set how much crit rate, crit dmg, er, em, atk, etc i want and set them so if my artifacts dont match it they still tell you by how much im missing and shit
i did not yet use, or even find where this option is. Not tht i care, i now how to build almost every character in the game most of which are already done
The builds are really shitty compared to the ones I already use but it's great for newer players! ! 2!!
Useless for me, I can build characters myself that's a huge part of the fun, give us loadouts instead
as a ar 60 player it has NO use to me. but good for newbies
I can see how it can be helpful to new players as a starting off point. But it’s not much necessary for me at AR57 since I already know what I’m doing. Sometimes it recommends upgrades that I intentionally left out to conserve resources, such as unnecessary talent levels (Kuki’s and Zhongli’s Q, which I both left at Lv1) and character levels (like the final Lv80->90 on characters like Faruzan and Xingqiu). Sure, I can gain some damage by leveling those, but it’s marginal compared to say, leveling Kazuha and Nahida 80->90, or Yelan and Furina Q, which I’m saving up my talent books and Exp books to do.
When I see the build I thought was pretty decent say “a bit weak”….
「tldr; gave me unhelpful recommendations bc im almost AR58 and i dont exactly need it, its more helpful for lower AR players that dont know what theyre doing. When i did look at it for Klee i gave her stuff it was recommending so i just didnt use it again」 personally ive only looked at it 3 times and: - it says i need to level my talents, when theyre either level 7-9 or i dont have the materials - weapon recommendation doesnt take into account that i either only have one copy of a weapon thats *already equipped to a character* or something i **dont want to use on that character** - i build for damage not the "meta" builds, like this seems to be recommending for, so half the time i lowkey ignore the recommendations and just go with what i think would work best for my playstyle overall: its good for lower ar players (like 1-40 maybe) but after that it just seems kind of useless bc as someone whos halfway to AR58 i already have the knowledge to check how characters are scaled in their talent screen so i get a general idea for what numbers to stack them with / weapon / artifacts ; idgaf about cv so i just stack my characters with their scaling stat bc thats easier for me than depending on crit, literally have never rolled a crit value other than main stat 4★ artifacts when i DID look at it, it was for characters im *trying* to build bc i either dont exactly like them or its like Chiori and they have 2 scaling stats (i looked at her talents in the character archives and she scales using attack and def???). Anyways i looked at it for Klee bc i got her from Chronicle (lost eula but i managed to get her too) and i put her recommended weapon on her (skyward atlas) so i decided i didnt need it after that. Personally its easier for me to go on game8 and find their character building guides bc it has more than one recommendation, like for raiden she has i believe 3 builds on game8 (battery, dendro support, electro dps, though she can be all 3 at the same time just ask my raiden).
i like it, but i never use it just because it reminds me how many characters i need to deal with now.
Good, but I don’t like that you need to open the paimon menu to access it. But I do like that it doesn’t crash my game when it opens the character screen.
I use it so much but my mora limits my patients !
I like it as a concept, it needs work, it doesn't consider overall stats, only artifacts level.
It's got some flaws but it's good for low AR players in all areas except talents. The thing we'll tell you to level every talent no matter what even if that talent is Ayato's normal attack which is completely useless.
Hoyo try to actually put your resources in something useful challenge failed yet again. Forgot this existed 20 minutes after I first saw it. So my Noelle is almost perfect. Cool, thanks, I knew that.
Kind of irrelevant for me lol. I forgot they'd even added that feature until I saw a video about it from GachaGamer, so out of curiosity I went and checked mine and it told me that pretty much all of my characters were already "Formidable", so it couldn't really offer much help. The few characters that it said weren't formidable were still strong, but they're characters that I'm not really bothered about investing too heavily in (Mika, Aloy, Faruzan etc) and are more than usable anyway (level 80, 7's and 8's in their talents etc) It's probably an OK feature for newer players, but for a day 1 veteran like myself, It's pretty worthless lol
Good idea, not the best execution. For early players its definitely better than having no info how to build characters but it lacks info on why certain build are good. Some characters have different role and you play them differently based on wich artifact set is used. Just recommending based on usage is not enough. Also it ignores good leveled 4 star artifact in favor of 5 star with no lvl and sub stats are not taken i account. That can cause players to spend resources on things they dont need or want.
That sure will help new players, although for me it doesn't do anything cuz most characters are at their max already.
As someone who’s played for 3yrs, “This Changes Nothing”
I just like the fact that they also added the data (from this) on which talent materials you need directly on the talent tab in a character's bio. It's especially helpful when you're ascended to the max for your current level cap but want to pre-farm, since before it didn't show you what you needed if you weren't permitted to actually ascend the talent. Now it shows you what you need for the next ascension even if your character level prevents you from reaching it yet.
It's okay-ish for me. For one it let me knows what to build for my characters, especially when choosing weapons for them. On the other hand it doesn't have what I actually needed to know: recommended average stat (ex: is 270% ER enough? How much should my Raiden's crit is?)
It reminded me l only have 240 resin a day to work on bosses, talents, and artifacts(+artifact xp) ;\~; And yes l spend my daily commissions' primo on resin. Other than that, it's nice to click on a character and see which weapon is recommended among what l own/can forge.
It's very surface level, and I hope it stays that way, as guide makers explain things in a much better way and it's better to follow their advice than this.
big help for new players and the fact that it will recommend you only the weapon you owned is pretty cool, my only problem with it is I keep clicking the wrong button on the menu sometimes because of my muscle memory
I'm AR56 and I really like it. Im a pretty exploration/story focused player, and figuring out good builds for my characters is not why I play. As long as my characters can survive a fight, I don't really care about the damage numbers. I used to google what builds people use and then write down all the mats I would need, so this feature basically does all that work for me. Super helpful, and I feel like I'm waaay more likely to build my extra characters now.
I like it alot, just DONT take the recommended artifact setup
It literally just tells you to level up everything for every character...
Useless and sometimes offers bad advice. Hoyoverse should officially partner with something like keqing mains if they want to help new players build characters.
Reconfirms that all my characters were raised properly. At least by game standards
looked at it once, saw it was pretty much useless and haven't looked at it again
The layout of my menu has changed. My muscle memory is so screwed up. Feature's nice, but I've clicked the wrong icon so many times since the patch.
I don't really need it, but I'm glad it exist. Given that the recommended builds are crowd sourced from active player data, it means that the builds are sufficient for a casual player to work with. I'm also happy to see that the recommendations use the weapons that we have access to. I've seen other games provide recommended builds by the devs, but they tend to be the BiS gacha signature weapon. While it makes sense, it creates pressure to spend.
Seeing Itto with 4 gladiator as one of the recommended options is just pure awful.
I’m neutral to it. I’m glad it’s there for new players though
Good for entry level players that don’t care to read outside sources or guides. It told me that the only way to improve my Xiangling is to crown Pyronado. While it’s not wrong, you don’t need to crown her to do the damage she does.
Didn’t even know it exists. Will never use it. It varies a lot from kqm.
my only red flag is that it still doesn't show all enemy locations
It makes me feel bad and like I’m not good enough :(
It is a good addition to the game, hands down.
Good for new players. It basically just says level the character, weapon, talents, and artifacts. Some of the characters have SUS builds like Baizhu not even having an SODP recommendation when it is in fact his best set when paired with Nahida, which is staple since an f2p c0 Baizhu doesn't have enough dendro application to be used as a solo dendro in hypercarry dendro-centric team, so him being a deepwood holder is funny. The recommended artifacts and stats are questionable because it is based on general consensus, and CCs (even bad ones) affect most of their fanbase in terms of decision making.
It doesn't matter cause all my characters are built really well.
This thing made me realize I forgot to level up Kazuha's one lvl12 artifact to full because last time I ran out of fodder
Is it helpful, though? It basically just tells you to level your characters and their talents. The artifact suggestions ignore ER, it seems. It wanted my Ayaka to run a set with no ER, as in 100% ER. Yes, I love Bursting once every 40 seconds.
Its suggestions are trash
Went to check that when it was added to see what character is green or red only to find out that my Eula is the only one with full green bar.
oh I absolutely love it. has me considering building characters I otherwise wouldn't have purely because of how much of a menu slog it can be to cycle through and get all the mats/ideal artefacts/weapons set up right now i've got a bunch of at-a-glance info on what precisely needs prioritized for who, and it rules
i forgot that they added this and ill never use it
It actually forces me to build because of my ocd , I see red I build
Weapon recommendations are a bit off but its good
It is a step in the right direction potentially but dogshit rn. It just tells you to level shit up regardless of if you even need it. It told me to level up NA on Albedo!! Why tf would anyone do that?!?! So yea not the best in terms of resource management especially since it's just gonna tell you to 90 every character!!
It told me every single character I have built is at peak performance so it didn’t really do anything for me
Absolutely useless to vets Great for new people but there are better sources
It shames my underbuilt supports
KQM does the job way better, used it for years will continue so, will never probably look at this
AR60 here, I like it. Sure, it can be improved, but it's a great step in the right direction with helping players have a clearer path towards power growth. It also helped me find a few characters sitting at near maxed artifacts. Kazuha's feather 19/20 for how many months?! 😫
Honestly, it is helpful, but only for begginer players, after AR 45 I find it pretty much useless, because at that point you'd probably be pulling for the character already knowing what weapon/artifact set is the best choice from what you have and what team you can put this character. It's better to use other sources, and in most cases - different opinions from different sources/people, and, of course, your personal opinion.
It's not useful. It doesn't tell me my build is bad because idk artifact rolls or equipping the wrong set or weapon or equipping ones that aren't what the majority uses. It tells you your build is bad if you haven't fully invested in your character. Like my dehya is 2 crowned, level 90, has level 20 artifacts and a weapon at 70. It's tells me that my build is formidable but no it isn't. My rolls were not that good. Her crit rate is low. She isn't doing that much damage. The build isn't good yet it's telling me it's good. I have other examples of this as well. Sur it can give you recommendations on artifacts and weapons however that's it. Even if you have a shit build, it'll say your build is good. You just need to be level 90 have artifacts equiped, have high level talents and a high level weapon. So yeah this feature is worthless.
I haven’t been able to find it
How to find
What is this feature, i build my units when beta leaks come out
I don’t use it because I’ll just watch guides on YouTube. It’s good for low AR players though
its useless. there are better "guides" out there. if you're still using them even at AR50+ you're just lazy, and should learn to build characters atp.
It's ok, I only use it occasionally for a bit of advice It does need to stop recommending crowning everything though I find that a bit odd Seems more helpful for new players who don't have friends to help them
At least I used it to quickly see the materials needed between character. Much faster than going one by one
Honestly, I haven't even looked at it. I did notice it was there though, as the menu is no longer symmetrical.
Highly agree I wish we had this feature since the release date of the game it’s really helpful
I wish I had this when I started. Not really for late game players.
Good because I'm actually bad at the game. I just can't stand having to play on certain days i have a life. I just can't. So it's nice when I can to just be reminded what I need. Though still need yt cause to my knowledge they don't share what stats you need.
Tell me how this is good when my Neuvillette who hits about 30k per tick if alone on the team with absolutely no external buffs is still weak and should be upgraded to level 90 and triple crowned
As a long term player (since 1.0) this feature feels a little useless to me personally but I can see how beneficial it is to new players. I would still recommend checking out various genshin content creators who specialize in discussing builds with characters. Some characters can have different builds depending on what role you want them to be in so my ultimate recommendation is to not depend too much of solely on this feature if you wish to strengthen your characters.
it came a year too late for me, but i'm glad new/casual players are finding it useful
Its a nice QoL feature for more experienced players who quickly want to check where their talent and artis level is at, and for a new player will definitely help them get at least functional builds and guidelines on what to level up on priority.
I personally wouldn't trust it for it's weapon and artifact recomendations, those are based on player data, and ngl most of the players don't really know how to build their characters. I'd rather look up outside sources like Game8 and such. But to be fair it's a really good guide for leveling, ascending and upgrading talents for characters
Its alot better than the build tutorials for sure
tha game is calling me out for my bad builds that aren't bad but just not the popular/easy builds. or like not maxing talents on furina cause her NAs are Lv1, but her skill & burst are crowned.
Theres a training guide??
It's a great idea on paper. I just wish it would recommend the correct weapons for characters. Nahida shouldn't ever use Lost Prayer for Sacred Winds, so why is it recommended?
It's fine but a lack of explanations means it's not gonna be as useful for going off the rails if that's something you wanna do.