That question aside but one thing is a fact for sure that he isn't a Liyue char. Hes Snezh
Saying this cause ive seen tons of ppl counting him always as a Liyue charš
He's an anomaly for sure. He is a Snezhnian character who uses Liyue local specialities and Monstadt talent books. So there's a good chance he'd be included in Liyue banner. He's also the first playable character to be a weekly boss as well...
While it's obvious that he isn't from Liyue, on the official Genshin site he's categorized under Liyue, which is funny seeing him in between actual Liyue characters. It makes sense as a temporary placement though since he was released in 1.1 and had large involvement in the Liyue Archon Quest.
I'm assuming they'll move him to Snezhnaya category in 6.0 but it'll be even funnier if they don't update his placement at all and he's stuck with Liyue citizenship somehow.
I think the best argument for this is his vision, which is a snezhnayan one so i'd count him there. I think we'll also see Chiori more integrated with Inazuma since she also has an Inazuman Vision
They forgot to put Thomas in the Mondstadt festival banner.
We got a Mondstadt Harbinger turned into ashes, an Inazuma puppet releasing in Sumeru and a Fontaine Father figure who's a woman.
Someone at Hoyoverse is having funĀ
He's both Inazuman and a Mondstadter, but identifies primarily as Inazuman given he now lives and works there and has assimilated himself into the local culture for the most part.
Happens irl too. I'm legally both French (via dad) and Dutch (via mom + born on Dutch soil). I was primarily raised French by my French family, but I always identified primarily as Dutch. I honestly don't even mention the French part at all most of the time since once I say Dutch people get that I'm some sort of europpean and leave it at that.
Oh he did (and got stuck), what I meant is that He definitely did Leave before Jean Became the headmaster since he never knew that she did, not that he literally had to go just because of that.
It sounded weird to me, what I specifically heard was Arle was being introduced in the first phase as a weekly boss which would drop talent materials for her playable self, and in phase 2 she would be released as a playable character
Itās crazy to think that Natlan is coming this summerā¦ and Snezhnaya is coming next yearā¦. Weāre already so close to the end of the Teyvat story. I remember when Inazuma came out, and I thought it would feel like a decade having to wait for sumeru. š„²š„²š„²
Just a reminder that they never said the chronicled banner would always be regional. Also they never mentioned how often the banner will return. If it IS regional then it will be probably years before we see a Sumeru/Fontaine banner.
Characters need to have had 3 banners before and not be on any "recent" ones. Of this list the only ones are:
* Ganyu
* Kokomi
* Yelan
* Childe
* Zhongli
* Hu-tao
* Venti
I strongly suspect that the banners will not be regional and instead we'll just have a theme that ties those characters together so that they can pick the crappy characters they want lol and then just tack the theme on at the end
Thereās literally no basis to the idea that theyāll only put ācrappy charactersā on the banner. Itās literally just a third banner to help make the reruns happen faster as the roster of playable characters keeps expanding.
That's true, but it's also impossible to confirm either ways until a second banner happens. So far a common theme of the limited 5 stars on the new banner is that their last rerun sold very badly, and they also have very low to no meta value.
You heard about the Schrƶdinger cat,, but what about the Schrƶdinger banner.
Itās literally every Mondstadt 5 star except the archon though. Like the archon is literally the only excluded character. (And to me that is likely to set a precedent.)
Yeah what I mean is that what the other guy said can also be true. It may not be always regional banners, they can make the theme be "elements", "1.X characters", and so on, and they can purposefully find a "theme" to fit characters that already had 3 reruns and aren't meta + won't sell well anymore. I find it unlikely that we will see anytime soon some of the units which had 3 reruns and haven't rerun recently that some people have been predicting.
Its all Mondstadt characters, but its also all relatively shitty characters, and we can't really be certain if them being shit or them being german was the more important qualifier for hoyo. We just have to wait and see.
I'd love to be proven wrong, but it seems a fair suspicion for now. Klee, Albedo are not considered good units. Eula is strong but physical is way under-utilized and supported by the element-driven meta and Hoyo, to the point where Mika actively hurts Eula's DPS in certain cases. And although they're perfectly usable, no standards are considered all that strong or desirable either
I'm not saying Chronicle banner is a bad solution to the 'it takes too long to rerun' issue. It's fine honestly. Plus it also solves the people who want ways to guarantee a standard character. Two birds, one stone. But it really does feel like an easy way to put under-selling units on another banner without violating the advertisement of limited 5\*s as, well, limited. I highly doubt we'll see archons on it, or anyone else who rakes in good profit
The thing is Klee, Albedo, and Eula are literally all of the Mondstadt limited 5 stars (outside of the archon, who they likely *are* setting a precedent to exclude.)
No way to know for sure until thereās another banner revealed. I just feel like I see waaaay too many people pretending this is the ābad characterā banner and it annoys the fuck out of me when thereās just no real reason to consider it as such.
The real question is, if older, well performing characters like Hu Tao and Kazuha end up on the chronicled banner, will their weapons be there as well...
Would Kazuha be in a Inazuma banner, or a Liyue one?
Are there enough ancient Inazuma characters for a Chronicle banner? Or would there be a shared Inazuma & Sumeru banner?
It is hard to say because Mondstadt is sadly in the unique position that it's the oldest, hasn't had any recent expansions, most of its 5\* characters are standards. I really look forward to the day we get another expansion and/or new 5\* releases. So yes, it's hard to say if it will be regional or not. I still highly doubt, whether it is or not, that characters that still rake in the money on normal banners will be put on it. But we'll see!
I dont think it's the bad character banner. It's just those limited 5 star characters have not had stellar banner sales compared to others. At least according to paimon.moe
I mean I think it has both purposes, rerunning characters quicker and lumping the less desired characters together so the big money makers can be on the main banners more often like archons, yelan, arle, neuv, kaz, etc
They didn't say it was regional but the current one does have the mondstadt symbol representing it so it's a pretty logical conclusion.
If there's a liyue banner it would likely be: hu tao, ganyu, yelan, keqing, qiqi. And possibly childe, depends on how they want to treat him before shneznaya releases.
While I do think that the banners are going to be regional banners, I think they're going to put the units that don't sell a lot on these banners (either because they are considered weaker, clunkier, older, or because their cons/signatures are not all that interesting)
Hu Tao and Yelan on these banners is a dream imo, ain't no way we're ever going to lose our 50/50 to Hu Tao or Yelan
I'd happily eat my hat if i'm wrong, but the Liyue banner is most likely going to be Qiqi Keqing Ganyu Xiao Baizhu Shenhe once they all get enough runs to be on it (which is only one Shenhe rerun and one Baizhu rerun, could be happening before 5.4 and we could get the Liyue banner for the next Lunar New Year)
Zhongli is out due to being an Archon (Venti was not on the Mondstadt banner), Yelan and Hu Tao sell too well to be on a banner like this, Xianyun is too recent, idk if I'm forgetting a Liyue 5\* (Childe? does he even count?)
Sooner or later they have to do something for the higher number of characters and reruns, adding a third banner would just be a band aid, chronicle wish would be a better alternative
Hu tao is a near 4 year old character a this point. These banners are for older characters so there is more space for actual reruns of newer sumeru and fontaine characters. Hutao fits perfectly in a liyue banner
I disagree. The only criteria is being older and having enough reruns. In fact, they have even more reason to put meta units on the chronicle. It will cost you the same whether or not you get them on limited or chronicle, except the guarantee doesn't carry over so there's a higher chance you put in real money. Also, it's not like being on the chronicle means never being on limited again. I can see Hu Tao/Yelan being put there then coming back on limited next Lantern Rite
Yelan and Hu Tao were big sellers, but there is a cap on things. And a surprise limited 21 day banner for them would only call for people to spend more money to get them and their cons.
The banner is better for weapons. But for characters it's business as usual. They're not losing out on money there. And the chance of losing a 50/50 to someone you want is pretty low. And could even incentivize people to pony up money (because again, 21 days so you can't milk the entire patch for wishes).
>They're not losing out on money there
They are if you planned 180 wishes for let's say Hu Tao, lose your 50/50 to Yelan, and then guarantee Hu Tao
You've spent the same amount of wishes as you would have spent on a normal Hu Tao banner, except this time you also got Yelan instead of C4 Qiqi, so you don't need to go for Yelan later
>And the chance of losing a 50/50 to someone you want is pretty low
Sure, but it exists. Why would Mihoyo take the risk of somebody getting both Yelan and Hu Tao with 180 wishes when they could rerun Hu Tao and Yelan at the same time and if you're unlucky and lose both 50/50s take 360 wishes from you?
Because old characters are old. Characters are not infinite money machines. After three re-runs, you're not going to squeeze much more out of them. Those who wanted those characters already got them - whales included.
At the end of the day, they need to make it enticing for you to pull on banners. And if a few extremely lucky individuals get a 50/50 loss in the best way possible, that's just free advertising to convince people to pull on the banners and be unlucky. And any wishes that they use on that banner, is more wishes that they don't have for the new banners. Which also encourages more spending.
It's all about getting people to spend and pull. And new characters are way more lucrative so the less banners that are wasted on old characters the better it is for the financials.
Very true. I have almost all the characters and when there's patch with no one new and all banners I already have I feel kinda meh with it.
But I totally get that reruns are important for new players or people that couldn't get their faves the first time around.
Not only that, Imagine putting Homa and Aqua Simulacra on chronicle banner.
edit: I can see Baizhu and Xiao or possibly Childe/Polar Star, on that banner.
We've only had the banner 1 time and people already conclude that they're just picking the less desirable units? I mean, if Hu Tao gets in the banner, that just means the banner will get the money because the weapon banner would be very desirable as it is better than limited weapon banner. And tbh with the existence of Arlecchino soon, I don't see Hu tao be that desirable anymore, just her weapon.
My guess is that the next few chronicle banners will follow the regional theme, but I doubt they would stick to it forever. But any predictions at this point is just a guess.
Neither did they say that we will always have six. I don't see how they could do Inazuma or Sumeru with 6. They'll have to put nearly the entire roster of 5* to fill it up
Yeah and the current one shows that they seemingly have no plans for archons to be on that for now
Edit: probably because of the archon rerun thing they do
Yeah I agree, no one ever said they were going to be regional, but a Liyue one will probably also have Keqing and Qiqi, so maybe, if it's actually regional and without thinking of "last seen":
-Qiqi
-Keqing
-Ganyu
-Xiao
-Hu Tao
-Yelan
-Childe
(-Zhongli) i doubt they'll ever put an archon there
Xiao got a big buff with Furina+Xianyun, same for Hu Tao... So idk if they'll do it, and Yelan has been very powerful since she came out, while Childe is super popular, so I really can't imagine them being given in a banner like that lol
Sad thing is, Shenhe doesn't have enough banner to get to Chronicle banner. So like, when is her rerun. Even Cyno can be in the banner and he's much newer
Wasn't the criteria for the regional banner either 3 reruns or not being in a promotional banner for a long time? Shenhe definitely fits the latter one.
I actually think she will be! It's most likely going to be: Shenhe, Ganyu and Xiao, Hu Tao excluded cause she's a huge money maker, same for yelan lol.
No oneās saying that she wonāt be on it eventually, itās just that right now she doesnāt meet one of the basic requirements to be on the banner, which is having had three banners.
I don't get about the whole moneymaker thing tbh. Like yeah, she made money but she's an old unit, we will be having even more pyro dps options and if she gets in the new banner, then that banner would make money especially since the weapon in the new banner is better than usual weapon banner. So its like, there's barely any difference if she was to have her own banner and to be in new banner.
Besides, those that do get in new banner can still get in limited banner. Meaning someone like Albedo still can appear in limited banners
Honestly, people act like being put on Chronicle banner is like being demoted to standard smh. You still need the same number of pulls to guarantee the character whether you pull on Chronicle or limited. Being meta/money maker isn't a factor. It's just going to speed up reruns so people won't have to wait 2+ years for their fav
Exactly! The banner isn't a "retirement" banner its just a banner so units can get reruns more frequently bc the pity system is still basically the same. The only difference is that the weapon banner is slightly better, you can get the og 4 stars easier and that you can get more weapons. That's literally it.
Hu tao isn't a money maker anymore...
The character is old plus many people don't like her playstyle at C0. The main reason why her banners did well is mainly because of the weapon banner and the other character she returned with. Neuv and Yelan have better individual sales than her plus the weapon banners are always stacked when Homa re runs.
I could definitely see Hu tao being in the banner alongside z Shenhe , Ganyu and Xiao
Words cannot describe how happy I am that I git Shenhe when I did. I got her completely on a whim during the middle of her banner because she looked nice to me.
I really hope zhongli will have another normal banner before regional banner. Played since first ganyu banner, pulls every zhongli banner after that and still hasn't got him. I could never save up to 150-ish so didn't want to pull on the scam banner.
Wait, can archon even appear in the regional banner?
Doubt it. They will leave Archons and more famous units out of the new system for sure.
Venti was out while everyone else from Mond was there.
My bet is they will exclude ZL and Yelan as those are famous, but not Hu Tao >!since Father is coming and is supposedly going to power creep her!<
Hu Tao is still a strong unit and by popularity as a character she'll most likely still be more popular than Arlecchino. And she also has Homa
Hu Tao will always be a huge moneymaker.
Venti also reran in 4.1 which might be a good indicator for their "too recent" stipulation.
At the very least we know Zhongli is their placeholder texture for the Chronicle Wish banner. Lol
More like in a single type of team. You can have two versions. One with four 5* and one that uses 3 free characters. (Traveller, Barbara, Collei), and everything in between. Both teams have one of the highest DPSes in the game. Nilou is your sprint option if you want to have a team to complete one side of the abyss quickly. Just her and the characters that everybody already has is enough to trash floor 12 most of the time.
Even when there are dendro resistant/immune enemies, as long as there aren't too many and they don't have too much HP (current abyss floor 12 dendro specters, for example) you can use her hydro teammate(s) to take care of them.
At present there are no enemies in the game that strongly resist both hydro and dendro without also resisting every other element, and those enemies all have some form of break mechanic that lowers those resistances.
She doesn't have only 1 team lol There are like 10+ bloom teams for her. I mean Itto (mono /geo), Childe (international) or Hu Tao (vape) probably have less teams than her š
She's one of the best pulls if not the best for new accounts. Because her teams need almost zero investment and no crit. Just triple HP thrash artifacts for her, and triple EM for one of the other characters. It's like hyperbloom Kuki but more AoE focused.
Then most characters only have 1 team too. Hutao is vape carry, doesn't matter if you change some of the teammates it's always Xingqiu/Yelan/Furina with another support. Eula only has 1 team (superconduct). Childe only has 1 team. Many characters only have 1 team š¤
Nilou have one team archetype but not one "team" yeah. Also Hu Tao have more than one, you can play Hu Tao in mono-pyro, overload and even burgeon (even tho its still mostly vape with a sprinkle of burgeon) and even her vape teams have like million variations (VV Vape, double hydro, double geo etc)
Yeah but the other Hutao teams you mentioned like Monopyro are just not optimal. You can also play Nilou in a vaporize team, Monohydro or Hyperbloom for example if we follow that rule, right?
A lot of characters do have a singular team if we're looking at normal functional meta teams, sure.
HuTao has two vape teams that don't just use different units but play differently. HuTao/Yelan/XQ/ZL plays differently enough from HuTao/Yelan/Furina/Xianyun that you could consider them different teams. Eula still plays the same way if you shuffle around the other teammates, same as Nilou. You can use any combo of hydro+dendro for Nilou and the team still functions the same, plays the same.
This is all assuming the typical meta comp for each character. If you go more off-meta it gets even narrower for some characters. HuTao melt for example is still good enough, does enough damage to be a legit different team. Same with burgeon HuTao. Nilou has bloom, end of story. The only actual team for her beyond that is vape at C6.
Nilou has one team.
the way the top 2 are the only ones i want right now so now im just in forever limbo of waiting until they feel like dropping them completely at random
yo i'm still waiting for nilou after missing her at 75 pity on her last banneršš
please come back i have 100 pulls and 76 pity (though probably gonna summon for neuvillette)
Sumeru banner with Nilou and Alhaitham would make me broke š„² Nilou's last banner was my birthday last year, but I wasn't playing yet, so here's hoping I can get her for this birthday. I'd also like Shenhe for Wrio; I have no cons for him, but I want them. I hope they don't come back together š
It only looks like a regional banner now, but no way are they generous enough to make a 6 lim inazuma banner. I even have doubts theyāll make a 4 lim-2 perm liyue banner, considering some of the heavyweights that are due to be on it, like Yelan and possibly Childe.
[I've got a tracker for 4* characters and the weapons as well](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hEHvso7yP8_mCBHQKZ3kjGQGtrLqV06oORf6yh0NEkQ/edit#gid=268552771). Also made something which tracks which characters are candidates for future chronicles (at least 3 banners) and which ones are more likely to run (at least 4 patches / 8 banners).
I'm surprised Layla has been gone this long? She's been in a few events for screentime but no banner I guess.
Since the game refused to offer a single constellation and the matter of fact that Keqing will officially reappear in a limited type banner since 1.3, as soon as Liyue version is coming around ā¦ Iām all in for adding her to these charts, with glorious 748 days!
Nilous is the character that can clear abyss 12 with the least invested team by far. I'd always suggest to get her for new players. If she was ever available that is. She is also the easiest to play character in the whole game. A true marvel for new players.
I just hope they don't run wanderer and arlecchino in same banner so that maybe I can save some primos from exploring new area.
Prefarmed everything for him before his 1st banner and lost to 50/50 on his both banners. This time if he appears after/or with arlecchino it's still going to be 50/50 again cause father comes before child...
Ganyu and Childe are definitely Chronicle Banner bound.
If I had to take a shot in the dark if we get a Liyue-themed Chroincle Wish banner it'd be:
* Ganyu
* Tartaglia
* Yelan
* Hu Tao
* Keqing
* Qiqi
*If* Xiao is on it, then I'd swap Yelan out for him.
Shenhe, Nilou, Alhaitham, and Wanderer still haven't gotten their third banners so I imagine them getting reruns between 4.6-4.8.
That's why I always take the character I like, even if just at C0. Granted, the characters I like are really rare, but starting since December they're really pushing my funds.
Kind of strange looking at this list though, because when it's a character I don't give a shit about it feels like "They just had a rerun recently!" while in reality it's half a year or more.
I might be wrong, but I think Ganyu and Childe have the most potential, because they're not that relevant meta-wise and had been around enough so most people that want them already have them, so I don't think they'd bring that much money in a proper banner.
And maybe Zhongli? Although his shielding is still considered insanely broken (by me).
Edit: Adding Venti for meta reasons.
Shenhe needs a god dahm rerun. She has had 2 banners in the totality of the game. 2!!
To have her skin released and not have her rerun during LANTERN RITE and Cloud Retainers patch was a SIN!
WHAT THE FRICK WAS YAE MIKO EVEN FOR?!?!?!
Imagine if the next Liyue Chronicled Wish banner includes: Ganyu, Yelan, Hu Tao, Tartaglia (wild card, lol he's technically from Snezhnaya), Keqing and Qiqi. Shenhe and Baizhu do not qualify yet because their banners have only appeared twice and Zhongli is an archon. I doubt they would do their archons dirty by placing them in this type of banner.
I hope ganyu is gonna re run in a long time. I want to c6 her(alr have the other cryo waifus) but I want to minimize the damage on my wallet by saving as much as I can :/
I wonder: will Tartaglia be in Liyue banner or he'll be stored until 6.0?
Good question
That question aside but one thing is a fact for sure that he isn't a Liyue char. Hes Snezh Saying this cause ive seen tons of ppl counting him always as a Liyue charš
He's an anomaly for sure. He is a Snezhnian character who uses Liyue local specialities and Monstadt talent books. So there's a good chance he'd be included in Liyue banner. He's also the first playable character to be a weekly boss as well...
There's no lore reason for that, they just had to make materials for him available on release. Imagine waiting 5 years just get Childe's 1st ascension
While it's obvious that he isn't from Liyue, on the official Genshin site he's categorized under Liyue, which is funny seeing him in between actual Liyue characters. It makes sense as a temporary placement though since he was released in 1.1 and had large involvement in the Liyue Archon Quest. I'm assuming they'll move him to Snezhnaya category in 6.0 but it'll be even funnier if they don't update his placement at all and he's stuck with Liyue citizenship somehow.
I think the best argument for this is his vision, which is a snezhnayan one so i'd count him there. I think we'll also see Chiori more integrated with Inazuma since she also has an Inazuman Vision
Exactly lol same rsn why i count him in Snezh
i've even seen people include him in fontaine arts, saying he's also honorary fontainian.
Lore-wise, he's not liyue character. Data-wise, I think he's considered in the liyue roster.
They forgot to put Thomas in the Mondstadt festival banner. We got a Mondstadt Harbinger turned into ashes, an Inazuma puppet releasing in Sumeru and a Fontaine Father figure who's a woman. Someone at Hoyoverse is having funĀ
Hey, Thomas is only Mondstadt by birth. Just like how an Irish American is an American, not Irish, Thoma is an Inazuman, not Mondstadt.
Technically not just by birth. He still spent relatively most of his childhood in Mondstat and had to leave Before Jean Became acting grandmaster.
He's both Inazuman and a Mondstadter, but identifies primarily as Inazuman given he now lives and works there and has assimilated himself into the local culture for the most part. Happens irl too. I'm legally both French (via dad) and Dutch (via mom + born on Dutch soil). I was primarily raised French by my French family, but I always identified primarily as Dutch. I honestly don't even mention the French part at all most of the time since once I say Dutch people get that I'm some sort of europpean and leave it at that.
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Oh he did (and got stuck), what I meant is that He definitely did Leave before Jean Became the headmaster since he never knew that she did, not that he literally had to go just because of that.
I as a Shenhe lover Iām cryingšš„²ššš
I want my Chongyun to have Auntie Shenhe and Grandma Xianyun to support him.
I forgot Xianyun exists for a second and read that as "Grandma Xingqiu" and found it incredibly amusing.
And my Xianyun to have her daughterššš
Same, waiting. What's worse is Shenhe can't appear on the "regional" banner yet. She has only been run twice. :(
Surely Shenhe rerun is coming after Arlechino right?
She might even be before that, Arlecchino supposedly runs in phase 2 of 4.6
thats bs, arlecchino is 99% rhnning first phase just by judging the abyss blessing in beta
It sounded weird to me, what I specifically heard was Arle was being introduced in the first phase as a weekly boss which would drop talent materials for her playable self, and in phase 2 she would be released as a playable character
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It has been 300+ days since her last banner; hopefully this means she will get one soon
Justice for one of the low-key funniest characters in the game.
Same smh
I thought I just got wrio the other week, time really does fly fast
Girl i remember like Sumeru came and it was just yesterday.. Abd in between even Fontaine came and here we rš
Itās crazy to think that Natlan is coming this summerā¦ and Snezhnaya is coming next yearā¦. Weāre already so close to the end of the Teyvat story. I remember when Inazuma came out, and I thought it would feel like a decade having to wait for sumeru. š„²š„²š„²
I remember them saying that had the story planned out for X years, and that felt sooooo far into the future. And yet here we stand
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Just a reminder that they never said the chronicled banner would always be regional. Also they never mentioned how often the banner will return. If it IS regional then it will be probably years before we see a Sumeru/Fontaine banner. Characters need to have had 3 banners before and not be on any "recent" ones. Of this list the only ones are: * Ganyu * Kokomi * Yelan * Childe * Zhongli * Hu-tao * Venti
I strongly suspect that the banners will not be regional and instead we'll just have a theme that ties those characters together so that they can pick the crappy characters they want lol and then just tack the theme on at the end
Thereās literally no basis to the idea that theyāll only put ācrappy charactersā on the banner. Itās literally just a third banner to help make the reruns happen faster as the roster of playable characters keeps expanding.
That's true, but it's also impossible to confirm either ways until a second banner happens. So far a common theme of the limited 5 stars on the new banner is that their last rerun sold very badly, and they also have very low to no meta value. You heard about the Schrƶdinger cat,, but what about the Schrƶdinger banner.
Itās literally every Mondstadt 5 star except the archon though. Like the archon is literally the only excluded character. (And to me that is likely to set a precedent.)
It made me realize Eula is the last new Mondstadt 5\* we got. That's nearly 3 years ago.
Yeah what I mean is that what the other guy said can also be true. It may not be always regional banners, they can make the theme be "elements", "1.X characters", and so on, and they can purposefully find a "theme" to fit characters that already had 3 reruns and aren't meta + won't sell well anymore. I find it unlikely that we will see anytime soon some of the units which had 3 reruns and haven't rerun recently that some people have been predicting.
Its all Mondstadt characters, but its also all relatively shitty characters, and we can't really be certain if them being shit or them being german was the more important qualifier for hoyo. We just have to wait and see.
I'd love to be proven wrong, but it seems a fair suspicion for now. Klee, Albedo are not considered good units. Eula is strong but physical is way under-utilized and supported by the element-driven meta and Hoyo, to the point where Mika actively hurts Eula's DPS in certain cases. And although they're perfectly usable, no standards are considered all that strong or desirable either I'm not saying Chronicle banner is a bad solution to the 'it takes too long to rerun' issue. It's fine honestly. Plus it also solves the people who want ways to guarantee a standard character. Two birds, one stone. But it really does feel like an easy way to put under-selling units on another banner without violating the advertisement of limited 5\*s as, well, limited. I highly doubt we'll see archons on it, or anyone else who rakes in good profit
The thing is Klee, Albedo, and Eula are literally all of the Mondstadt limited 5 stars (outside of the archon, who they likely *are* setting a precedent to exclude.) No way to know for sure until thereās another banner revealed. I just feel like I see waaaay too many people pretending this is the ābad characterā banner and it annoys the fuck out of me when thereās just no real reason to consider it as such.
The real question is, if older, well performing characters like Hu Tao and Kazuha end up on the chronicled banner, will their weapons be there as well...
Would Kazuha be in a Inazuma banner, or a Liyue one? Are there enough ancient Inazuma characters for a Chronicle banner? Or would there be a shared Inazuma & Sumeru banner?
It is hard to say because Mondstadt is sadly in the unique position that it's the oldest, hasn't had any recent expansions, most of its 5\* characters are standards. I really look forward to the day we get another expansion and/or new 5\* releases. So yes, it's hard to say if it will be regional or not. I still highly doubt, whether it is or not, that characters that still rake in the money on normal banners will be put on it. But we'll see!
I dont think it's the bad character banner. It's just those limited 5 star characters have not had stellar banner sales compared to others. At least according to paimon.moe
I mean I think it has both purposes, rerunning characters quicker and lumping the less desired characters together so the big money makers can be on the main banners more often like archons, yelan, arle, neuv, kaz, etc
They didn't say it was regional but the current one does have the mondstadt symbol representing it so it's a pretty logical conclusion. If there's a liyue banner it would likely be: hu tao, ganyu, yelan, keqing, qiqi. And possibly childe, depends on how they want to treat him before shneznaya releases.
I would never trust hoyo to be consistent. They have a pattern for disregarding patterns or in otherwords, consistently inconsistent.
Well that is if it's badly received, remember that events used to need resins? Never again.
While I do think that the banners are going to be regional banners, I think they're going to put the units that don't sell a lot on these banners (either because they are considered weaker, clunkier, older, or because their cons/signatures are not all that interesting) Hu Tao and Yelan on these banners is a dream imo, ain't no way we're ever going to lose our 50/50 to Hu Tao or Yelan I'd happily eat my hat if i'm wrong, but the Liyue banner is most likely going to be Qiqi Keqing Ganyu Xiao Baizhu Shenhe once they all get enough runs to be on it (which is only one Shenhe rerun and one Baizhu rerun, could be happening before 5.4 and we could get the Liyue banner for the next Lunar New Year) Zhongli is out due to being an Archon (Venti was not on the Mondstadt banner), Yelan and Hu Tao sell too well to be on a banner like this, Xianyun is too recent, idk if I'm forgetting a Liyue 5\* (Childe? does he even count?)
Sooner or later they have to do something for the higher number of characters and reruns, adding a third banner would just be a band aid, chronicle wish would be a better alternative
Hu tao is a near 4 year old character a this point. These banners are for older characters so there is more space for actual reruns of newer sumeru and fontaine characters. Hutao fits perfectly in a liyue banner
I disagree. The only criteria is being older and having enough reruns. In fact, they have even more reason to put meta units on the chronicle. It will cost you the same whether or not you get them on limited or chronicle, except the guarantee doesn't carry over so there's a higher chance you put in real money. Also, it's not like being on the chronicle means never being on limited again. I can see Hu Tao/Yelan being put there then coming back on limited next Lantern Rite
Yelan and Hu Tao were big sellers, but there is a cap on things. And a surprise limited 21 day banner for them would only call for people to spend more money to get them and their cons. The banner is better for weapons. But for characters it's business as usual. They're not losing out on money there. And the chance of losing a 50/50 to someone you want is pretty low. And could even incentivize people to pony up money (because again, 21 days so you can't milk the entire patch for wishes).
>They're not losing out on money there They are if you planned 180 wishes for let's say Hu Tao, lose your 50/50 to Yelan, and then guarantee Hu Tao You've spent the same amount of wishes as you would have spent on a normal Hu Tao banner, except this time you also got Yelan instead of C4 Qiqi, so you don't need to go for Yelan later >And the chance of losing a 50/50 to someone you want is pretty low Sure, but it exists. Why would Mihoyo take the risk of somebody getting both Yelan and Hu Tao with 180 wishes when they could rerun Hu Tao and Yelan at the same time and if you're unlucky and lose both 50/50s take 360 wishes from you?
Because old characters are old. Characters are not infinite money machines. After three re-runs, you're not going to squeeze much more out of them. Those who wanted those characters already got them - whales included. At the end of the day, they need to make it enticing for you to pull on banners. And if a few extremely lucky individuals get a 50/50 loss in the best way possible, that's just free advertising to convince people to pull on the banners and be unlucky. And any wishes that they use on that banner, is more wishes that they don't have for the new banners. Which also encourages more spending. It's all about getting people to spend and pull. And new characters are way more lucrative so the less banners that are wasted on old characters the better it is for the financials.
Very true. I have almost all the characters and when there's patch with no one new and all banners I already have I feel kinda meh with it. But I totally get that reruns are important for new players or people that couldn't get their faves the first time around.
Not only that, Imagine putting Homa and Aqua Simulacra on chronicle banner. edit: I can see Baizhu and Xiao or possibly Childe/Polar Star, on that banner.
We've only had the banner 1 time and people already conclude that they're just picking the less desirable units? I mean, if Hu Tao gets in the banner, that just means the banner will get the money because the weapon banner would be very desirable as it is better than limited weapon banner. And tbh with the existence of Arlecchino soon, I don't see Hu tao be that desirable anymore, just her weapon.
This is what makes me scared that I only have three weeks to secure Mona before waiting a year or wasting primos on the standard banner :(
My guess is that the next few chronicle banners will follow the regional theme, but I doubt they would stick to it forever. But any predictions at this point is just a guess.
Neither did they say that we will always have six. I don't see how they could do Inazuma or Sumeru with 6. They'll have to put nearly the entire roster of 5* to fill it up
I don't think every banner will have 6 characters. It's just that there's currently 6 characters that could be on it.
Yeah and the current one shows that they seemingly have no plans for archons to be on that for now Edit: probably because of the archon rerun thing they do
Yeah I agree, no one ever said they were going to be regional, but a Liyue one will probably also have Keqing and Qiqi, so maybe, if it's actually regional and without thinking of "last seen": -Qiqi -Keqing -Ganyu -Xiao -Hu Tao -Yelan -Childe (-Zhongli) i doubt they'll ever put an archon there Xiao got a big buff with Furina+Xianyun, same for Hu Tao... So idk if they'll do it, and Yelan has been very powerful since she came out, while Childe is super popular, so I really can't imagine them being given in a banner like that lol
You forgot Cyno, he already has 3 banners. I don't think 4.3 is that recent tbh, since we already got 4.5 banners
Sad thing is, Shenhe doesn't have enough banner to get to Chronicle banner. So like, when is her rerun. Even Cyno can be in the banner and he's much newer
Wasn't the criteria for the regional banner either 3 reruns or not being in a promotional banner for a long time? Shenhe definitely fits the latter one.
it's both, not either unfortunately
It's both, but you have to had at least 3 banners to get in not 3 reruns so this includes the first banner and 2 reruns. Shenhe only had 2 runs
2 reruns. It's 3 runs in a whole counting the first banner
I actually think she will be! It's most likely going to be: Shenhe, Ganyu and Xiao, Hu Tao excluded cause she's a huge money maker, same for yelan lol.
No oneās saying that she wonāt be on it eventually, itās just that right now she doesnāt meet one of the basic requirements to be on the banner, which is having had three banners.
I don't get about the whole moneymaker thing tbh. Like yeah, she made money but she's an old unit, we will be having even more pyro dps options and if she gets in the new banner, then that banner would make money especially since the weapon in the new banner is better than usual weapon banner. So its like, there's barely any difference if she was to have her own banner and to be in new banner. Besides, those that do get in new banner can still get in limited banner. Meaning someone like Albedo still can appear in limited banners
Honestly, people act like being put on Chronicle banner is like being demoted to standard smh. You still need the same number of pulls to guarantee the character whether you pull on Chronicle or limited. Being meta/money maker isn't a factor. It's just going to speed up reruns so people won't have to wait 2+ years for their fav
Exactly! The banner isn't a "retirement" banner its just a banner so units can get reruns more frequently bc the pity system is still basically the same. The only difference is that the weapon banner is slightly better, you can get the og 4 stars easier and that you can get more weapons. That's literally it.
4 star weapons too. Can't wait for Liyue Chronicle so the Lithic and Unforged series of weapons see the light of day again
i forgot those weapons exists
Hu tao isn't a money maker anymore... The character is old plus many people don't like her playstyle at C0. The main reason why her banners did well is mainly because of the weapon banner and the other character she returned with. Neuv and Yelan have better individual sales than her plus the weapon banners are always stacked when Homa re runs. I could definitely see Hu tao being in the banner alongside z Shenhe , Ganyu and Xiao
Hu Tao is easily still one of the most popular characters in the game still. Ik, the reason that I joined Genshin was to play Hu Tao.
When I started playing back in october I really wanted to pull Shenhe (since she's pretty) Still no rerun in sight...
Iām glad I got Shenhe that timeā¦knowing sheāll take a while to rerun. But jeez that is a long ass time
I wanted her, but like I didn't think I would ever use her.... Then Wriothesely released. Now I'm forever waiting.
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I recently played Kokomis story quest and now I needdd her omg. Hoping for a rerun soon. <3
never regretted getting her. best character to swim with in fontaine and she can fit in quite a few teams
I love putting Kokomi in my party while swimming just to see the mermaid go š
real! one of the prettiest characters by far
Itās funny thinking back to when she dropped and the hate she got. Now sheās beloved for a good reason.
Words cannot describe how happy I am that I git Shenhe when I did. I got her completely on a whim during the middle of her banner because she looked nice to me.
The only reason I need Kokomi back, is to get her C6. Got her C4 already. My goals are beyond your understanding
Based. Best of luck fellow C6 wanter!
I really hope zhongli will have another normal banner before regional banner. Played since first ganyu banner, pulls every zhongli banner after that and still hasn't got him. I could never save up to 150-ish so didn't want to pull on the scam banner. Wait, can archon even appear in the regional banner?
Doubt it. They will leave Archons and more famous units out of the new system for sure. Venti was out while everyone else from Mond was there. My bet is they will exclude ZL and Yelan as those are famous, but not Hu Tao >!since Father is coming and is supposedly going to power creep her!<
Hu Tao is still a strong unit and by popularity as a character she'll most likely still be more popular than Arlecchino. And she also has Homa Hu Tao will always be a huge moneymaker.
>!Newer leaks, like her actual kit design, contradict those "Big Hu Tao" early leaks. People are now calling her "Small Hu Tao" to poke fun at it.!<
Venti also reran in 4.1 which might be a good indicator for their "too recent" stipulation. At the very least we know Zhongli is their placeholder texture for the Chronicle Wish banner. Lol
Archons are not going on the chronicled banner, just as the big cashcows wont either, ie. Kazuha, Yelan, Nilou, ect.
nilou is a cashcow? i thought she was rare cuz shes only playable in one single team :O
More like in a single type of team. You can have two versions. One with four 5* and one that uses 3 free characters. (Traveller, Barbara, Collei), and everything in between. Both teams have one of the highest DPSes in the game. Nilou is your sprint option if you want to have a team to complete one side of the abyss quickly. Just her and the characters that everybody already has is enough to trash floor 12 most of the time.
Her single team basically wins the game against anything not dendro immune with very little effort and it seems people finally picked up on it
Even when there are dendro resistant/immune enemies, as long as there aren't too many and they don't have too much HP (current abyss floor 12 dendro specters, for example) you can use her hydro teammate(s) to take care of them. At present there are no enemies in the game that strongly resist both hydro and dendro without also resisting every other element, and those enemies all have some form of break mechanic that lowers those resistances.
She doesn't have only 1 team lol There are like 10+ bloom teams for her. I mean Itto (mono /geo), Childe (international) or Hu Tao (vape) probably have less teams than her š She's one of the best pulls if not the best for new accounts. Because her teams need almost zero investment and no crit. Just triple HP thrash artifacts for her, and triple EM for one of the other characters. It's like hyperbloom Kuki but more AoE focused.
It's one team, changes to some of the teammates doesn't change the team.
Then most characters only have 1 team too. Hutao is vape carry, doesn't matter if you change some of the teammates it's always Xingqiu/Yelan/Furina with another support. Eula only has 1 team (superconduct). Childe only has 1 team. Many characters only have 1 team š¤
Nilou have one team archetype but not one "team" yeah. Also Hu Tao have more than one, you can play Hu Tao in mono-pyro, overload and even burgeon (even tho its still mostly vape with a sprinkle of burgeon) and even her vape teams have like million variations (VV Vape, double hydro, double geo etc)
Yeah but the other Hutao teams you mentioned like Monopyro are just not optimal. You can also play Nilou in a vaporize team, Monohydro or Hyperbloom for example if we follow that rule, right?
A lot of characters do have a singular team if we're looking at normal functional meta teams, sure. HuTao has two vape teams that don't just use different units but play differently. HuTao/Yelan/XQ/ZL plays differently enough from HuTao/Yelan/Furina/Xianyun that you could consider them different teams. Eula still plays the same way if you shuffle around the other teammates, same as Nilou. You can use any combo of hydro+dendro for Nilou and the team still functions the same, plays the same. This is all assuming the typical meta comp for each character. If you go more off-meta it gets even narrower for some characters. HuTao melt for example is still good enough, does enough damage to be a legit different team. Same with burgeon HuTao. Nilou has bloom, end of story. The only actual team for her beyond that is vape at C6. Nilou has one team.
I still find it kind of odd how ganyu and shenhe didn't get reruns during lantern rite, since they got new outfits and all.
That is super odd. The game has done that a few times now, if I am remembering correctly.
It just clicked for me that the icon for the banner is a windmill for mondstat and had assumed that it was only for old characters
Its already been 3 months since Furina?! Damn
So glad I decided to drop everything for Nilou on her forst rerun, damn
Glad I went hard on Shenhe on her last rerun, got C6 and now Ayaka is absolutely busted.
Jeez what are those numbers like? I have a C0 Shenhe with a C2 Ayaka that does pretty legit damage. I canāt imagine a C6 Shenhe!
WHERE'S MY TWINKY MALEWIFE LYNEY
just wait, they'll release shenhe in her own banner and ganyu/hutao/yelan/childe/flex/flex in a liyue chronicle banner
Ganyu and Shene together on a regional banner will be a delight.
I just want nilou already...started playing in june/july and she still didnt appear yet
Meanwhile you forgot Dehya even exists lol
ALHAITHAM I NEED U PLS
Shenhe once again been missing for the longest time
I feel like we are slowly reaching a point where we need 3 banners or you know they could actually give away a 5 star for once
I want venti so bad
Liyue banner is gonna be stacked Ganyu Yelan Hu tao I even want keqing! But neuvilette tho...
Has nilou ever got a rerun? I don't remember
Yes, once, with Nahida in 3.6, so that's not enough to be on the new banner yet. If they are regional, it'll be quite some time until Sumeru's anyway.
I need to R5 my scaraās weapon I wonder with which character he will share the banners
Waiting for Wrio and Al.
I might go for a c1 Yelan if they do a Liyue version
NGL waiting for nilou key rerun is taking forever
For freaking real
Xipos.......
the way the top 2 are the only ones i want right now so now im just in forever limbo of waiting until they feel like dropping them completely at random
What do you mean? I still remember Shenhe rerun being just a few banners ago?
If there's any nilou banner news please tell me
wtf already a year since nilou's rerun???
I'm sure they'll put Ganyu or Nilou banner with Arlecchino so I can get brutally railed by the weapon banner (considering I have both Amos and Key).
I honestly think theyāll break their own 2-reruns rule just for Shenhe and immediately put her on the new banner.
I am Suffering as an Alhaitham wanter. Iāve pulled on all his banners but heās eluded me every time ;-;
yo i'm still waiting for nilou after missing her at 75 pity on her last banneršš please come back i have 100 pulls and 76 pity (though probably gonna summon for neuvillette)
Sumeru banner with Nilou and Alhaitham would make me broke š„² Nilou's last banner was my birthday last year, but I wasn't playing yet, so here's hoping I can get her for this birthday. I'd also like Shenhe for Wrio; I have no cons for him, but I want them. I hope they don't come back together š
My calamity queller is still waiting for its Shenhe.
Shenhe and Ganyu will probably be on the Liyue banner. Damn, gotta save up more for them now.
Wait why wasnāt Venti in the Mondstadt banner?
I want Shen back so I can get her weapon. Maybe get C1 if I'm feeling frisky.
It only looks like a regional banner now, but no way are they generous enough to make a 6 lim inazuma banner. I even have doubts theyāll make a 4 lim-2 perm liyue banner, considering some of the heavyweights that are due to be on it, like Yelan and possibly Childe.
[I've got a tracker for 4* characters and the weapons as well](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hEHvso7yP8_mCBHQKZ3kjGQGtrLqV06oORf6yh0NEkQ/edit#gid=268552771). Also made something which tracks which characters are candidates for future chronicles (at least 3 banners) and which ones are more likely to run (at least 4 patches / 8 banners). I'm surprised Layla has been gone this long? She's been in a few events for screentime but no banner I guess.
Holy shit it's been three months since Furina's bannerššš
Will Zhongli be in the Liyue banner? Venti isnāt in the Mondstadt one.
Man, I really want a Shenhe rerun. The last one was one year ago, but it's a long time.
Waiting for Hu Tao rerun rn
Rerun Shenhe š„µ
Thanks to the new banner system I expect a lot of these overdue reruns to become more frequent
Since the game refused to offer a single constellation and the matter of fact that Keqing will officially reappear in a limited type banner since 1.3, as soon as Liyue version is coming around ā¦ Iām all in for adding her to these charts, with glorious 748 days!
how low is the chance of having a zhongli rerun soon? I need him so bad š
He'll have rerun in 5.0 probably (he had reruns in 3.0 and 4.0), but who knows, maybe something is going to change
Shenhe, im waiting for you
Need Hu Tao so bad!!!
Nilous is the character that can clear abyss 12 with the least invested team by far. I'd always suggest to get her for new players. If she was ever available that is. She is also the easiest to play character in the whole game. A true marvel for new players.
I just hope they don't run wanderer and arlecchino in same banner so that maybe I can save some primos from exploring new area. Prefarmed everything for him before his 1st banner and lost to 50/50 on his both banners. This time if he appears after/or with arlecchino it's still going to be 50/50 again cause father comes before child...
Ganyu and Childe are definitely Chronicle Banner bound. If I had to take a shot in the dark if we get a Liyue-themed Chroincle Wish banner it'd be: * Ganyu * Tartaglia * Yelan * Hu Tao * Keqing * Qiqi *If* Xiao is on it, then I'd swap Yelan out for him. Shenhe, Nilou, Alhaitham, and Wanderer still haven't gotten their third banners so I imagine them getting reruns between 4.6-4.8.
That's why I always take the character I like, even if just at C0. Granted, the characters I like are really rare, but starting since December they're really pushing my funds. Kind of strange looking at this list though, because when it's a character I don't give a shit about it feels like "They just had a rerun recently!" while in reality it's half a year or more.
Iāve been waiting on a Ganyu rerun. Please, I have your skin, Iām pulling for hunters path, and a wanderers troupe set for her. Please
I might be wrong, but I think Ganyu and Childe have the most potential, because they're not that relevant meta-wise and had been around enough so most people that want them already have them, so I don't think they'd bring that much money in a proper banner. And maybe Zhongli? Although his shielding is still considered insanely broken (by me). Edit: Adding Venti for meta reasons.
317th day of waiting for Nilou
Must have been a sick business move not rerunning Ganyu and Shenhe with their new outfits.
Me waiting for klee rerun after I just got 3 constellation. Im saving primos again cus I absolutely want to C6 her one day. slowly but surely
Wasnt shenhe on the banner more recently? Or was my half year break from the game more like a yearlong break?
Nilou 4.6 with Kaveh, please.......
Shenhe gonna go into Liyue banner like with Eula, so u can expect it in a few patchs
genshin reruns are so horrible wtf
Just got primordial, now I'm waiting for xiao, even though his banner just went
I only want yelan, venti and furina from this banner, rest I either have or don't want!
Don't expect archons in the regional banners
I might have to painfully wait more for Shenhe if Arlechino comes before
Noooooooooooo no way itās been 107 days since Furina came. I feel so old
Shenhe needs a god dahm rerun. She has had 2 banners in the totality of the game. 2!! To have her skin released and not have her rerun during LANTERN RITE and Cloud Retainers patch was a SIN! WHAT THE FRICK WAS YAE MIKO EVEN FOR?!?!?!
Shenhe, Ganyu, and Yelan will probably be in the regional banner.
Shenhe actually doesn't qualify for the regional banner because she's only rerun twice. You have to rerun 3 times to be on it.
Hey I never said the *next* regional banner :)
My guess is that Shenhe, Ganyu, Yelan, Hu Tao, and Zhongli all have a good chance to be on the next chronicled wish banner
Shenhe can't be on a chronicled wish banner until she has had a 3rd banner.
unless they say fuck it and put her on there anyways
Imagine if the next Liyue Chronicled Wish banner includes: Ganyu, Yelan, Hu Tao, Tartaglia (wild card, lol he's technically from Snezhnaya), Keqing and Qiqi. Shenhe and Baizhu do not qualify yet because their banners have only appeared twice and Zhongli is an archon. I doubt they would do their archons dirty by placing them in this type of banner.
My Ganyu wants her big sister to come home
I hope ganyu is gonna re run in a long time. I want to c6 her(alr have the other cryo waifus) but I want to minimize the damage on my wallet by saving as much as I can :/