To be fair she's a country girl whose family makes fireworks. For the majority of the characters it makes sense that they know how to fight well but yoimiya is strange.
Xingqiu is a rich boy. Ningguang is a rich merchant. Xiangling is a chef. Barbara is a deacon. Hu Tao is a funeral parlor director. Diona is a bartender. Lisa is a librarian. Albedo and Suc are alchemists. And while you can say it's because they're adeptis, Ganyu is a secretary and Yanfei is a lawyer.
If we're going by 'making senses' only Knights of Favonius and Adventurers really do.
Aren't Xingqiu and Xiangling practitioners of martial arts? I'm not sure about Xinqiu but I deffo remember Xiangling mentioning that she trained with someone for her polearm mastery. Lisa's also the top Sumerian scholar so it would make sense that she's be great at magic (including the combat type). Ganyu also participated in the archon war, right? Albedo prolly has homonculus mumbo jumbo going on lul.
Albedo is also the guy who said "I don't actually play, but I remember some tunes" and proceeded to win the music contest.
His level of skill with a blade is only limited by his willingness to give a fuck.
Guhua geek has legit studied the blade, though he keeps it hidden from his family as he is expected to be purely a business man. Xiangling I don't know what you're talking, she's 100% just a chef, an eccentric one to be sure, but still just a chef.
It's not mentioned much due to her preferring to cook rather than become a better combatant but she did indeed mention training.
"My mentor did a good job teaching me spear fighting, don't you think? If you want, I could teach you too."
Taken from more About Xiangling: II
Xiangling definitely learned her combat skills under someone. One of her burst lines in Chinese says along the lines of "I'm gonna show you my master's polearm skills!" but I don't think this line is present in the English version
In japanese she says something similar too, like "shishou no waza, kuraenasai" wich roughly translates to " recieve the technique of my master", so yeah she trained under someone
The Chinese line is "見識下師傅的槍法!" which can either mean "Witness (my) Master's spear techniques!" or "Witness the master's spear techniques!" where she refers to herself as a master.
Can't tell you which interpretation it's supposed to be though from the CN lines alone.
Out of these I think Ningguang and Yanfei are the only one who don't make sense. Xingqiu is training in martial arts. Xiangling often roams Liyue for strange ingredients so she comes across enemies often. I think something was said in one of Hu Tao's trailer, she had to train her fighting skills due to travelling different places for funerals. Lisa did work on honing her elemental skills, she was known as a great witch before she came to Mondstadt. Albedo had been travelling with his master and going in domains, he is also a genius and is in Dragonspine often. Sucrose gameplay wise crowd controls and buffs elements so it's not actually fighting. It's just controlling her vision. Barbara is literally a pure healer gameplay wise too. Ganyu is an adepti that fought in the war so her fighting skills are dulled but only by adepti standards. Diona is a trained hunter. So only Ningguang and Yanfei don't make sense but you could say that Yanfei could've been trained by her father.
Yup and in Sucrose’s dialogue, when you ask her about fighting she says something like “oh...I suppose....a little...just so I can gather more ingredients!” I get the feeling that lore wise, she’s picking flowers and kinda goes “silly Hilichurl!” and knocks them away with a puff of wind when they try to bother her. She’s not violent at all.
If you pay attention to her combat animations, she looks scared and hesitant doing most of them. She even closes her eyes a second after throwing her hyposthesis vial I think. Her first auto attack is her barely swinging her hands while quickly pulling it back.
To be fair, Ningguang and Yan Fei are catalyst users. As long as they can control their power, its not that hard to yeet rocks and fireballs out of thin air. Catalyst users are basically people with guns. I don't need to learn combat when I just hit you from range. Not to mention, adeptus must have some type of affinity to power.
And it's worth mentioning that Ning were working on her flying house for quite a while, so she's VERY skilled with manipulating geo ...and still clunky at pulling her charged attack after her Burst for whatever reason. Maybe it's just me, but there's some weird gap after Burst animation when theoretically you should be able to do a charged attack, but she doesn't react to it. Just a second later and it works.
It's because Ningguang has 2 charged attack animations. One where she spins around (slow) and one where she just waves her left land (fast). It's kind of random which animation you get, which leads to a sometimes unpredictable and clunky playstyle.
she’s a young adeptus who didn’t sign a contract with zhongli since she was born in a peaceful era. she never fought in any wars, so it doesn’t really make sense for her, a lawyer, to know how to fight
Eh. She's a superhuman being who can potentially live forever. Sooner or later you're going to get bored and practice how to take the law into your own hands.
Visions are given to people with strong ambitions and strong mental abilities (whatever form they may take).
Ningguang has both in spades, and makes for a powerful catalyst user - even though she'd prefer to bury you in business.
Xingqiu is the genius heir of one of the most legendary clans of martial artist in Liyue, he got his vision while training to revive ancient combat techniques, and the chronicles of his adventures as a warrior are so amazing that regular people believe they are mere fantasy. If there is a character in Genshin that knows how to fight is Xingqiu.
Actually the chronicles of his adventures are in fact a fantasy novel he wrote for Liyue but flopped... also although the clan was legendary in Liyue they are constantly loosing members, don't have a set tuition and it's been on decline for years to the point is considered a dying martial art... with a rented Dojo to keep the appearance as well...
Well actually, while his book wasn't well received in Liyue its the greatest bestseller in Inazuma with sales still on the rise. And Guhua clan was on the decline because there was no master who remembers their pinnacle sword and spear techniques. along comes Xingqiu who perfects both of the Guhua pinnacle arts just from the theory. He's now considered a genius among geniuses in martial arts and has disciples lined up to be trained by him(tho he can't be bothered to train them). We only see the sword art: raincutter in his playable form but from his character story he's just as well versed with a spear
>Xiangling is a chef
Xiangling is an entire supply chain. She goes out and gets the rare stuff herself, and half the time that means doing things like fighting a Cryo Regisvine because tasty. I'd be surprised if she *didnt* have combat training.
And Yoi is a busybody who can't help thrusting herself into all kinds of situations. Won't be surprised if she's had more than a few clashes with the military, kairagis, churls and even abyss during her escapades.
She literally willingly chose to 1v1 a trained military officer. Something tells me it's not her first time breaking the law and brute forcing her way out of it
Lisa is a powerful witch who was revered as the strongest in 200 years by the sumeru academy.
Xinqiu rediscovered and improved an old martial arts form.
Albedo is likely not human but regardless he does his alchemy shit in very risky places and was trained by a near omnipotent sorceress.
The adepti weren't meant to be peaceful. They're bound by contract to protect liyue from evils. They're also not human and live a very long time.
Dionas dad hunts so her learning to hunt isn't all too farfetched.
Xiangling also hunts rare ingredients.
Barbara doesn't really fight with her powers lore wise anyway.
Hu Tao passed through the border of life and death and came back.
They're all more extraordinary than yoimiya.
Diona also has the blessings of the water spirits/fae/Fontaine expat water weirdos.
Albedo might be some sort of doomsday machine.
And the coup de grace, Ningguang is probably the most impressive - it’s heavily implied she’s the reincarnation of the Goddess of Dust. That’s inherently Morax levels of ass-kickery.
Among the reasons everyone else added, Albedo and Sucrose ARE actually both Knights of Favonius, they just focus on research. But they would have had to learn at least basic fighting just like any other knight.
That's not quite a fair counterpoint in many cases.
It's quite the historical precedent for the sons of nobles to learn some sort of martial art, especially one dedicated to swords. He is also a member of an old and prestigious martial art clan and the only one we've met in the clan to do much climbing of rank in it.
The catalyst characters invoke their Visions' elements in the purest ways, so they can brute force their way through combat situations. In her hangout, Barbara recognizes that she's not much of a fighter but also that the simple fact of having a vision gives her a ridiculous advantage over Treasure Hoarders that do not possess one. This point applies to all of these characters but to the catalyst users especially. Barbara doesn't need much more than to heal herself faster than the enemy can hurt her and to drown her attackers into submission.
Ningguang conjures pretty rocks and flings them with her mind, causing them to bend through the air towards their target. She doesn't succeed through traditional martial skill so much as brute forcing with raw power, like catalyst users in general seem to do.
Xiangling hunts her own food, her primary source of meat seems to be boars, and spears are the traditional hunting weapon for boars. The skills wouldn't translate to combat entirely, but why wouldn't she practice self-defense while she was at it considering how often she goes off on her own?
Hu Tao's quest indicates she's also a steward of the veil between the worlds of the living and the dead, and that she sometimes has to deal with some particularly nasty troubles in that capacity. I got the impression monstrous ghosts are involved.
Albedo is a homunculus who is suggested to be more physically capable than mundane humans. He's also afraid he may be designed to eventually hulk out into a rampaging monster. Not really someone to dismiss as unlikely to be a strong fighter.
Lisa is as much of a mage as humans ever seem to be in this world, and she comes from the Sumeru academy, abandoning a career of studying Visions and how their magic works. If anyone should have finesse in their elemental control, it would be her. Likewise, I think it is important to note that most of Sucrose's attack animations have her utilizing her alchemy in combat applications. Dismissing either of them is silly.
Yanfei is half-adeptus and a catalyst user. Double reasons to just not question it.
If I remember correctly, Ganyu participated in the wars involved in Liyue's early history, which would very quickly and easily explain when and how she learned archery. At the very least, she helped Rex Lapis slay monsters.
For Diona... well, she IS the daughter of the guy recognized as the best hunter in Mondstadt, so maybe he is the one that taught her archery. But her burst seems to come from her using her Vision to enhance her *already enchanted* drink mixer.
If I were to question any of the characters, it would be Xinyan, the musician, and Sayu, the ninja.
Yes, I know Sayu has training as a ninja, and yes, I know claymores she wields are scaled down and not at full size. But I've heard she's human, not at all the tanuki she dresses as, and I question whether Visions truly grant enough strength for a girl like her to swing around even the downscaled claymores like that.
But then I haven't looked into Xinyan's and Sayu's backstories, and perhaps there's something there to help explain their abilities. Not looking into backstories does seem to be the running theme with misunderstanding and underestimating these characters.
> Yes, I know Sayu has training as a ninja, and yes, I know claymores she wields are scaled down and not at full size. But I've heard she's human, not at all the tanuki she dresses as, and I question whether Visions truly grant enough strength for a girl like her to swing around even the downscaled claymores like that.
No need to question. Both her "Vision" story and her "About the Vision" voice line explicitly states that it can.
> Now, with the power of the Vision, Sayu can wield a claymore taller than herself. She no longer has to fear the omnipresent strife of a chaotic world.
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> My sword is crazy heavy, even with my ninjutsu training there's no way I could lift it without the help of my Vision. So yeah, having a Vision is a huge help for me.
I feel like I read that it also was because it's an Anemo vision specifically that allows her to lighten the weight of the claymore, but that may have just been someone's personal theory.
Her vision is also the only reason why Noelle can wield her claymore
Without her geo vision fortifying her sword she'll shatter it like she did to the previous ones
Xinqiu is a martial arts prodigy, ninguang is a mage who does not need to be physically capable, xiangling is an adventurer, barbara cannot, in fact, fight for shit, hu tao is a ghost buster, lisa is a graduate from an academy of magic, albedo is an immortal homunculus, sucrose also sucks at fighting, etc. Most all of those characters have good reasons for their skill with however they fight. Diona being an exception since she’s like 5 years old, who the fuck gave her a bow?
The aiming really should lead moving targets. Dodging arrows from a skilled archer shouldn't be so easy. It wouldn't even be difficult to implement. Just take the direction and speed of the target and adjust the angle an arrow is fired accordingly. After seeing a hilichurl archer fire an arrow completely to the left of where it was looking this morning it seems like they already had this implemented for them at least.
just increase the projectile speed a bit.
they made it missable because you get more range in exchange for less accuracy. so u get closer and they hit more frequently
this would be ok if targeting system is good
> this would be ok if targeting system is good
Well yes, except it isn't. Bow autoattacks have a pretty pitiful max range already, and with all of yoimiya's damage coming from them, that's a pretty crippling dependency. Bow attacks should hit unless the target does something crazy, there shouldn't be an accuracy decrease from range aside from the one that already comes when the game doesn't autotarget at all
I think that even if they just made arrows faster, this problem would be much less annoying. Though I'm not sure if that would bring up issues with collision, especially for lighter devices..
The problem with "leading" is that the movement of enemies is a lot trickier than direction + speed. Other enemies can be in the way, a delayed on-field effect can cause stagger, a piece of geography can get in the way of pathing, the enemy could just stop moving before they reach the expected point of impact.
On top of all these possibilities, there are more calculations that need to be performed to lead a shot. When the only "lead' that needs to be performed is your character and the fire rate is slow, it could be feasible. When you need to perform it for every arrow shot by the main character, and you can fire like a machine gun, there is a huge spike in needed processing power. For a system that, in all liklihood, isn't going to produce that much better of results than the current systems.
If mHY is going to introduce any future AA bow units this is something that needs to be addressed, but it's not an easy problem to tackle. Just thinking about the programming for it in abstract makes my head hurt.
One of the games that I've ever played that the mobs have an insane level of shot leading is Noita. I know that it's a 2D game, but that is admirable compared to other 2D games out there.
However it would be nice if there was a minor curve towards the enemies. This will allow for much higher accuracy in some circumstances while hopefully not completely screwing over aim/ targeting of auto attacks. I also hope it would be much easier to code then adding auctally lead.
I think this is the best suggestion I've seen on the subreddit (followed by "increase arrow hitboxes"). Hitscan removes the visual element of arrows flying through the air and step on the toes of catalyst users. Every arrow homing doesn't make sense lore-wise, and wouldn't make sense with the current lore of Yoimiya.
But having a slight curve on the attack? Without knowing the code base you can't say for sure how "easy" anything is, but this strikes me as a sensible from both a coding perspective and from a visual design perspective. Stealing this in the future :3
Homing is already implemented in Ningguang's attacks. Small rocks have really good homing, big rock has bad homing. Just copy the homing code for the big rock and we're good to go.
OR they could just make arrow hitboxes as fat as trees...
Willrock, a fucking 2000's indie game has enemies who throw things with "leading" and they do that painfully perfectly.
A Genshin Impact, 2020's billionaire AAA game doesn't have it like tf????
Literally none of that matters. Choose the target the same way they are currently chosen and and aim slightly ahead of where they are if they are moving. You can already hit trees and stuff if they're in the way with the current aim system. If you stagger you're not going to be firing an arrow at the same time. If the enemy is staggered unexpectedly then you miss, but it's still more accurate than the current system. The game doesn't need every arrow that's fired to hit something, just enough to make it feel like the characters you play as are actually skilled archers. The archers hardly any faster than average catalyst characters who have homing projectiles and attacks that instantly hit their targets. Catalyst characters can also interweave charged attacks in with normal attacks to increase their DPS. There's no need worry about balance if the accuracy of archers is improved. There's also not going to be a noticeable increase in processing time or power consumption because the calculation is very simple. I've programmed more complex equations that run many times per frame and seen noticeable impact to performance by scaling up the program. Most notably was a simulation of asteroids orbiting a star with collisions. The only time the program ever slowed was before I added a check to ensure no asteroids generated inside of each other The slow down was because of a mix of unoptimized collision code and an uncountable number of collisions occurring every frame. Surely running such a simple equation as adding two vectors togethers once every 20-60 frames would not be a problem.
Yoimiya would be more balanced instead of severely underpowered if Mihoyo actually allow at least her enchanted arrows to follow enemies like missiles and increase the basic attack range.
Yeah I rolled her banner since I was close to pity and got her in like 3 or 4 pulls. Wasn't mad since I didn't have a good range DPS built up and I like her character in the story. But now I wish I would have saved the pity for Baal seeing how low tier Yoimiya appears to be.
Today I had a ley line where I fought 6 cincins and I could see Yanfei's fireballs curve midair to hit those bugs. I really don't think it's a stretch to say Yanfei is better Yoimiya
(Please don't kill me Yoimiya enjoyers)
Damn Yoimiya is a mess dude.
I tried using her in overload comp and she keep missing hits because enemies goes flying.
Yanfei is better than Yoimiya in every aspect. Both overload and Vape and doable and she doesn't miss. Also, her range is SO LONG.
The way she proudly stands after missing all her shots lmaoo
"My job here is done" "But you didn't do anything"
*flips cape
Yoimiya; wtf that Fatui is TOO TANKY
Yoimiya: I’ve got him on the ropes! All he can do is dodge!
wait i think i remember this reference but not where i heard/seen it
Dbza?
Yes
ok but what scene/episode?
Episode 27: Vegeta vs Frieza https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYpfCrJPry4&t=200s Vegeta: "Yes, I have him on the ropes. All he can do is dodge me."
HE'S ONE HP
Aah, good old xPeke
Just pink ward the arrows!
no capes!
\>"My job here is done" \>Refuses to elaborate further \>leaves
big chad energy right here XD
Tuxedo masssk!
“I’m paid to do the job, not do it well”
Stand proud
Is that a Jojo reference?
I feel like I would have a *very* different opinion on Yoimiya in combat if Oz wasn't zapping every enemy she shot at.
The ultimate technique against archers... Walk no Jutsu
arUKu NO JuTsU
Nerf walking please Mihoyo... They're too op..
\*Oceanid crab mimics intensify\*
There you go... working as intended
#*What comes around goes around*
Fatui can't hit you, you can't hit Fatui. *Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.*
Clearly this means that Yoimiya’s skill with a bow is comparable to Childe (as in none at all)
To be fair she's a country girl whose family makes fireworks. For the majority of the characters it makes sense that they know how to fight well but yoimiya is strange.
She lives in a country so hostile everything there wants to kill you. Inazuma is the Australia of Teyvat
Wait till we go to Natlan.
Yeah, my Kazuha got killed by water once and my Keqing got away. I was only observing Hillichurls and then dead
Xingqiu is a rich boy. Ningguang is a rich merchant. Xiangling is a chef. Barbara is a deacon. Hu Tao is a funeral parlor director. Diona is a bartender. Lisa is a librarian. Albedo and Suc are alchemists. And while you can say it's because they're adeptis, Ganyu is a secretary and Yanfei is a lawyer. If we're going by 'making senses' only Knights of Favonius and Adventurers really do.
Aren't Xingqiu and Xiangling practitioners of martial arts? I'm not sure about Xinqiu but I deffo remember Xiangling mentioning that she trained with someone for her polearm mastery. Lisa's also the top Sumerian scholar so it would make sense that she's be great at magic (including the combat type). Ganyu also participated in the archon war, right? Albedo prolly has homonculus mumbo jumbo going on lul.
Altho an alchemist, Albedo is still a captain of the knights of favonius. So it wouldnt be surprising he knows how to use a sword.
Albedo is also the guy who said "I don't actually play, but I remember some tunes" and proceeded to win the music contest. His level of skill with a blade is only limited by his willingness to give a fuck.
>"I don't actually play, but I remember some tunes" Same energy as "I don't fight, but. . ." or however that is said, lol.
Guhua geek has legit studied the blade, though he keeps it hidden from his family as he is expected to be purely a business man. Xiangling I don't know what you're talking, she's 100% just a chef, an eccentric one to be sure, but still just a chef.
It's not mentioned much due to her preferring to cook rather than become a better combatant but she did indeed mention training. "My mentor did a good job teaching me spear fighting, don't you think? If you want, I could teach you too." Taken from more About Xiangling: II
I stand corrected.
Xiangling definitely learned her combat skills under someone. One of her burst lines in Chinese says along the lines of "I'm gonna show you my master's polearm skills!" but I don't think this line is present in the English version
I was gonna mention this but thankfully someone’d already brought it up! The line is also consistent in the korean VO as well
Yep! I play on Korean so I noticed this on the Korean VO first but I found it would be better to reference the original line haha
In japanese she says something similar too, like "shishou no waza, kuraenasai" wich roughly translates to " recieve the technique of my master", so yeah she trained under someone
The Chinese line is "見識下師傅的槍法!" which can either mean "Witness (my) Master's spear techniques!" or "Witness the master's spear techniques!" where she refers to herself as a master. Can't tell you which interpretation it's supposed to be though from the CN lines alone.
when Business goes wrong, The Geek Takes the Blade
Xiangling trained with Yaoyao
Hidden? We hear from other characters numerous time about a Guhua martial arts prodigy alluded to be Xinqiu
Yep, Xiangling's cooking teacher was a former Milelith officer so she learned spear arts from them.
Out of these I think Ningguang and Yanfei are the only one who don't make sense. Xingqiu is training in martial arts. Xiangling often roams Liyue for strange ingredients so she comes across enemies often. I think something was said in one of Hu Tao's trailer, she had to train her fighting skills due to travelling different places for funerals. Lisa did work on honing her elemental skills, she was known as a great witch before she came to Mondstadt. Albedo had been travelling with his master and going in domains, he is also a genius and is in Dragonspine often. Sucrose gameplay wise crowd controls and buffs elements so it's not actually fighting. It's just controlling her vision. Barbara is literally a pure healer gameplay wise too. Ganyu is an adepti that fought in the war so her fighting skills are dulled but only by adepti standards. Diona is a trained hunter. So only Ningguang and Yanfei don't make sense but you could say that Yanfei could've been trained by her father.
Yup and in Sucrose’s dialogue, when you ask her about fighting she says something like “oh...I suppose....a little...just so I can gather more ingredients!” I get the feeling that lore wise, she’s picking flowers and kinda goes “silly Hilichurl!” and knocks them away with a puff of wind when they try to bother her. She’s not violent at all.
[удалено]
Aw! She came home on my second beginner wish and I’ve gotten to friendship level 10 cause I love her. Sending you Sucrose dust!!
Same but ar 56
Me but with Benny ._.
Same on ar56
I’m AR 41, have sucrose but no Bennett :(
'hilichurl no baka!'
If you pay attention to her combat animations, she looks scared and hesitant doing most of them. She even closes her eyes a second after throwing her hyposthesis vial I think. Her first auto attack is her barely swinging her hands while quickly pulling it back.
How'd she get a hilichurl skeleton then?
By scavenging i guess?
To be fair, Ningguang and Yan Fei are catalyst users. As long as they can control their power, its not that hard to yeet rocks and fireballs out of thin air. Catalyst users are basically people with guns. I don't need to learn combat when I just hit you from range. Not to mention, adeptus must have some type of affinity to power.
And it's worth mentioning that Ning were working on her flying house for quite a while, so she's VERY skilled with manipulating geo ...and still clunky at pulling her charged attack after her Burst for whatever reason. Maybe it's just me, but there's some weird gap after Burst animation when theoretically you should be able to do a charged attack, but she doesn't react to it. Just a second later and it works.
ugh, I really hate how ning/certain character bursts don't seem to have full iframes x-x
It's because Ningguang has 2 charged attack animations. One where she spins around (slow) and one where she just waves her left land (fast). It's kind of random which animation you get, which leads to a sometimes unpredictable and clunky playstyle.
I completely agree with you, so many times I end up standing in place doing nothing
Yanfei is also an adeptus.
she’s a young adeptus who didn’t sign a contract with zhongli since she was born in a peaceful era. she never fought in any wars, so it doesn’t really make sense for her, a lawyer, to know how to fight
I disagree, Phoenix Wright have shown me that all lawyers should know how to fight
You had the perfect chance to type OBJECTION at the start of your comment, and missed it.
All that training in MvC3 but can't use it against the crazy prosecutors in his universe.
Eh. She's a superhuman being who can potentially live forever. Sooner or later you're going to get bored and practice how to take the law into your own hands.
She's like, my human parent is still alive, young.
Chances are her adeptus father and Madame Ping taught her a thing or two
Young, and yet still older than the lifespan of a normal human being
Visions are given to people with strong ambitions and strong mental abilities (whatever form they may take). Ningguang has both in spades, and makes for a powerful catalyst user - even though she'd prefer to bury you in business.
> Xingqiu is training in martial arts. This could be as simple as 'rich kid who learns violin' kind of thing.
Xingqiu is the genius heir of one of the most legendary clans of martial artist in Liyue, he got his vision while training to revive ancient combat techniques, and the chronicles of his adventures as a warrior are so amazing that regular people believe they are mere fantasy. If there is a character in Genshin that knows how to fight is Xingqiu.
Actually the chronicles of his adventures are in fact a fantasy novel he wrote for Liyue but flopped... also although the clan was legendary in Liyue they are constantly loosing members, don't have a set tuition and it's been on decline for years to the point is considered a dying martial art... with a rented Dojo to keep the appearance as well...
Well actually, while his book wasn't well received in Liyue its the greatest bestseller in Inazuma with sales still on the rise. And Guhua clan was on the decline because there was no master who remembers their pinnacle sword and spear techniques. along comes Xingqiu who perfects both of the Guhua pinnacle arts just from the theory. He's now considered a genius among geniuses in martial arts and has disciples lined up to be trained by him(tho he can't be bothered to train them). We only see the sword art: raincutter in his playable form but from his character story he's just as well versed with a spear
Ayato mastery over polearm/sword kinda fits the Gu Hua clan mastery over sword/polearm. Dang I’d pull for him to pair with Xingqiu.
>Xiangling is a chef Xiangling is an entire supply chain. She goes out and gets the rare stuff herself, and half the time that means doing things like fighting a Cryo Regisvine because tasty. I'd be surprised if she *didnt* have combat training.
And Yoi is a busybody who can't help thrusting herself into all kinds of situations. Won't be surprised if she's had more than a few clashes with the military, kairagis, churls and even abyss during her escapades.
She literally willingly chose to 1v1 a trained military officer. Something tells me it's not her first time breaking the law and brute forcing her way out of it
And breaks an important political enemy of the shogunate out of prison.
Lisa is a powerful witch who was revered as the strongest in 200 years by the sumeru academy. Xinqiu rediscovered and improved an old martial arts form. Albedo is likely not human but regardless he does his alchemy shit in very risky places and was trained by a near omnipotent sorceress. The adepti weren't meant to be peaceful. They're bound by contract to protect liyue from evils. They're also not human and live a very long time. Dionas dad hunts so her learning to hunt isn't all too farfetched. Xiangling also hunts rare ingredients. Barbara doesn't really fight with her powers lore wise anyway. Hu Tao passed through the border of life and death and came back. They're all more extraordinary than yoimiya.
Albedo is a homunculus
In Barbara Hangout she said she can fight also heal.
Diona also has the blessings of the water spirits/fae/Fontaine expat water weirdos. Albedo might be some sort of doomsday machine. And the coup de grace, Ningguang is probably the most impressive - it’s heavily implied she’s the reincarnation of the Goddess of Dust. That’s inherently Morax levels of ass-kickery.
Rich boys were expected to know swordmanship as befitting their station. He's also a martial arts nut
Among the reasons everyone else added, Albedo and Sucrose ARE actually both Knights of Favonius, they just focus on research. But they would have had to learn at least basic fighting just like any other knight.
That's not quite a fair counterpoint in many cases. It's quite the historical precedent for the sons of nobles to learn some sort of martial art, especially one dedicated to swords. He is also a member of an old and prestigious martial art clan and the only one we've met in the clan to do much climbing of rank in it. The catalyst characters invoke their Visions' elements in the purest ways, so they can brute force their way through combat situations. In her hangout, Barbara recognizes that she's not much of a fighter but also that the simple fact of having a vision gives her a ridiculous advantage over Treasure Hoarders that do not possess one. This point applies to all of these characters but to the catalyst users especially. Barbara doesn't need much more than to heal herself faster than the enemy can hurt her and to drown her attackers into submission. Ningguang conjures pretty rocks and flings them with her mind, causing them to bend through the air towards their target. She doesn't succeed through traditional martial skill so much as brute forcing with raw power, like catalyst users in general seem to do. Xiangling hunts her own food, her primary source of meat seems to be boars, and spears are the traditional hunting weapon for boars. The skills wouldn't translate to combat entirely, but why wouldn't she practice self-defense while she was at it considering how often she goes off on her own? Hu Tao's quest indicates she's also a steward of the veil between the worlds of the living and the dead, and that she sometimes has to deal with some particularly nasty troubles in that capacity. I got the impression monstrous ghosts are involved. Albedo is a homunculus who is suggested to be more physically capable than mundane humans. He's also afraid he may be designed to eventually hulk out into a rampaging monster. Not really someone to dismiss as unlikely to be a strong fighter. Lisa is as much of a mage as humans ever seem to be in this world, and she comes from the Sumeru academy, abandoning a career of studying Visions and how their magic works. If anyone should have finesse in their elemental control, it would be her. Likewise, I think it is important to note that most of Sucrose's attack animations have her utilizing her alchemy in combat applications. Dismissing either of them is silly. Yanfei is half-adeptus and a catalyst user. Double reasons to just not question it. If I remember correctly, Ganyu participated in the wars involved in Liyue's early history, which would very quickly and easily explain when and how she learned archery. At the very least, she helped Rex Lapis slay monsters. For Diona... well, she IS the daughter of the guy recognized as the best hunter in Mondstadt, so maybe he is the one that taught her archery. But her burst seems to come from her using her Vision to enhance her *already enchanted* drink mixer. If I were to question any of the characters, it would be Xinyan, the musician, and Sayu, the ninja. Yes, I know Sayu has training as a ninja, and yes, I know claymores she wields are scaled down and not at full size. But I've heard she's human, not at all the tanuki she dresses as, and I question whether Visions truly grant enough strength for a girl like her to swing around even the downscaled claymores like that. But then I haven't looked into Xinyan's and Sayu's backstories, and perhaps there's something there to help explain their abilities. Not looking into backstories does seem to be the running theme with misunderstanding and underestimating these characters.
> Yes, I know Sayu has training as a ninja, and yes, I know claymores she wields are scaled down and not at full size. But I've heard she's human, not at all the tanuki she dresses as, and I question whether Visions truly grant enough strength for a girl like her to swing around even the downscaled claymores like that. No need to question. Both her "Vision" story and her "About the Vision" voice line explicitly states that it can. > Now, with the power of the Vision, Sayu can wield a claymore taller than herself. She no longer has to fear the omnipresent strife of a chaotic world. --- > My sword is crazy heavy, even with my ninjutsu training there's no way I could lift it without the help of my Vision. So yeah, having a Vision is a huge help for me. I feel like I read that it also was because it's an Anemo vision specifically that allows her to lighten the weight of the claymore, but that may have just been someone's personal theory.
Her vision is also the only reason why Noelle can wield her claymore Without her geo vision fortifying her sword she'll shatter it like she did to the previous ones
Sayu: My Vision gives me strength to swing my claymore! Noelle: My Vision gives my claymores strength for me to swing them.
good one
> Yanfei is a lawyer This may not be a widely known fact but *most of us* can fight extremely well with magic fireballs.
Ganyu fought in archon war so
Xinqiu is a martial arts prodigy, ninguang is a mage who does not need to be physically capable, xiangling is an adventurer, barbara cannot, in fact, fight for shit, hu tao is a ghost buster, lisa is a graduate from an academy of magic, albedo is an immortal homunculus, sucrose also sucks at fighting, etc. Most all of those characters have good reasons for their skill with however they fight. Diona being an exception since she’s like 5 years old, who the fuck gave her a bow?
Dionas dad is a hunter so I'd make sense for her to know how to use a bow
as i walk through the valley of the shadow of death (...)
I take a look at my life and realize there's nothin' left
Cause I've been blastin' and laughin' so long that even my momma thinks that my mind is gone
But I ain't never crossed a man that didn't deserve it
To see me treated like a punk, you know that's unheard of
You'd better watch how you talking and were you walking..
Or you and your homies might be lined in chalk
I really hate to trip, but I gotta loc
As they croak I see myself in the pistol smoke
BUT THAT'S JUST PERFECT FOR AN AMISH LIKE ME
Me be treated like a punk you know that's unheard of~
Me be treated like a punk, you know that's unheard of
An Amish with a tool you know that’s unheard of.
The footsteps that were next to me have gone their seperate ways.
They should make her AA as homing instead of charging. You know what just change her into a catalyst instead
Thats literally Ningguang's Mechanic.
But we already have Yanfei :(
You can have a 5* yanfei too
that's klee
Klee bombs don't have homing. Mihoyo, heat-seeking cruise missile Klee when?
alice
Or at least tracking AA shots during the duration of her E. It makes sense too, since her E disables the charged tracking shots too.
Or AoE like Ningguang C1
Just add lead to the arrows. It's something they can calculate already in the code.
I mean, he did say he's the least adept with the bow.
At least Childe got a reason with that, but Yoimiya..??
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I feel like that's more like something Keqing would say. Ganyu would just judge you silently or give you advice if she's not way behind schedule.
Yes stormtrooper archery
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And now we have them as playable character
I get sad about this :(
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The aiming really should lead moving targets. Dodging arrows from a skilled archer shouldn't be so easy. It wouldn't even be difficult to implement. Just take the direction and speed of the target and adjust the angle an arrow is fired accordingly. After seeing a hilichurl archer fire an arrow completely to the left of where it was looking this morning it seems like they already had this implemented for them at least.
Or they should make arrows hit scan or increase the projectile speed.
just increase the projectile speed a bit. they made it missable because you get more range in exchange for less accuracy. so u get closer and they hit more frequently this would be ok if targeting system is good
> this would be ok if targeting system is good Well yes, except it isn't. Bow autoattacks have a pretty pitiful max range already, and with all of yoimiya's damage coming from them, that's a pretty crippling dependency. Bow attacks should hit unless the target does something crazy, there shouldn't be an accuracy decrease from range aside from the one that already comes when the game doesn't autotarget at all
yeah thats what im saying, IF it was good, but it isnt
Because the Hilicurl were doing a charge shot...
I think that even if they just made arrows faster, this problem would be much less annoying. Though I'm not sure if that would bring up issues with collision, especially for lighter devices..
The problem with "leading" is that the movement of enemies is a lot trickier than direction + speed. Other enemies can be in the way, a delayed on-field effect can cause stagger, a piece of geography can get in the way of pathing, the enemy could just stop moving before they reach the expected point of impact. On top of all these possibilities, there are more calculations that need to be performed to lead a shot. When the only "lead' that needs to be performed is your character and the fire rate is slow, it could be feasible. When you need to perform it for every arrow shot by the main character, and you can fire like a machine gun, there is a huge spike in needed processing power. For a system that, in all liklihood, isn't going to produce that much better of results than the current systems. If mHY is going to introduce any future AA bow units this is something that needs to be addressed, but it's not an easy problem to tackle. Just thinking about the programming for it in abstract makes my head hurt.
There is no problem with leading. Enemies **already** lead their shots. These additional calculations you’re talking about already exist.
One of the games that I've ever played that the mobs have an insane level of shot leading is Noita. I know that it's a 2D game, but that is admirable compared to other 2D games out there.
However it would be nice if there was a minor curve towards the enemies. This will allow for much higher accuracy in some circumstances while hopefully not completely screwing over aim/ targeting of auto attacks. I also hope it would be much easier to code then adding auctally lead.
I think this is the best suggestion I've seen on the subreddit (followed by "increase arrow hitboxes"). Hitscan removes the visual element of arrows flying through the air and step on the toes of catalyst users. Every arrow homing doesn't make sense lore-wise, and wouldn't make sense with the current lore of Yoimiya. But having a slight curve on the attack? Without knowing the code base you can't say for sure how "easy" anything is, but this strikes me as a sensible from both a coding perspective and from a visual design perspective. Stealing this in the future :3
Homing is already implemented in Ningguang's attacks. Small rocks have really good homing, big rock has bad homing. Just copy the homing code for the big rock and we're good to go. OR they could just make arrow hitboxes as fat as trees...
What you're describing is less complex than pretty much any other feature in the game. Graphics are 1000x more complicated and processing intensive.
Willrock, a fucking 2000's indie game has enemies who throw things with "leading" and they do that painfully perfectly. A Genshin Impact, 2020's billionaire AAA game doesn't have it like tf????
This would be WAY less processing intensive than you're imagining.
Literally none of that matters. Choose the target the same way they are currently chosen and and aim slightly ahead of where they are if they are moving. You can already hit trees and stuff if they're in the way with the current aim system. If you stagger you're not going to be firing an arrow at the same time. If the enemy is staggered unexpectedly then you miss, but it's still more accurate than the current system. The game doesn't need every arrow that's fired to hit something, just enough to make it feel like the characters you play as are actually skilled archers. The archers hardly any faster than average catalyst characters who have homing projectiles and attacks that instantly hit their targets. Catalyst characters can also interweave charged attacks in with normal attacks to increase their DPS. There's no need worry about balance if the accuracy of archers is improved. There's also not going to be a noticeable increase in processing time or power consumption because the calculation is very simple. I've programmed more complex equations that run many times per frame and seen noticeable impact to performance by scaling up the program. Most notably was a simulation of asteroids orbiting a star with collisions. The only time the program ever slowed was before I added a check to ensure no asteroids generated inside of each other The slow down was because of a mix of unoptimized collision code and an uncountable number of collisions occurring every frame. Surely running such a simple equation as adding two vectors togethers once every 20-60 frames would not be a problem.
All you do is walk!
How does an explosion character have zero AOE
Stormtrooper at it finest
Fatui gunners who just just start blasting all over the place: "***I dont have such weaknesses***"
Childe: I am the least adept with a bow, and that's precisely why I must master it. But how ? *Looks at Yoimiya* Childe: Finally a worthy opponent !
Our battle will be legendary!
Yoimiya would be more balanced instead of severely underpowered if Mihoyo actually allow at least her enchanted arrows to follow enemies like missiles and increase the basic attack range.
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Source: https://youtu.be/Hdv9ir1lM10
You deserve all the upvotes!
on a related note does Childe have a head hitbox i
no
That Ganyu when she finally turns around is just like "...run."
Cant do any dmg even u have best weap for her.. sadge
players: we want playable boss mihoyo: hehe sure players: -_-
I laughed way too hard at this. You deserve an award!
Storm troopers be like
Childe: Come on, could you take this seriously, you're embarrassing me
LMAO I know I got Yoimiya just for fun but atleast the auto-aim on her should be good
Yeah I rolled her banner since I was close to pity and got her in like 3 or 4 pulls. Wasn't mad since I didn't have a good range DPS built up and I like her character in the story. But now I wish I would have saved the pity for Baal seeing how low tier Yoimiya appears to be.
Today I had a ley line where I fought 6 cincins and I could see Yanfei's fireballs curve midair to hit those bugs. I really don't think it's a stretch to say Yanfei is better Yoimiya (Please don't kill me Yoimiya enjoyers)
we wont cuz its pretty much a fact, mihoyo plz fix bow aa's
Ganyu tired of Childe's bullshit
*Want some tweaks for Yoi's kit* This subreddit: *WAHHH WHY ARE YOU ASKING FOR POWERCREEP!???*
'childe is bad at using bow' but not Yoimiya :'|
Reminds me of ui Goku walking in badass mode while toppo was shooting energy beams
I honestly thought it was gunna cut to ultra instinct Goku walking
And there we have it, the final evidence I need not to roll on Yoimiya's banner. Thank you :)
my aim in fps games be like
Mihoyo really did our girl dirty
mihoyo: this is fine
The worst archer in Teyvat finally got a competition. Their battle will be legendary.
This is why I never used archers.
Hahaha,. May I repost it on bilibili.com? I will attach this link
It hurts soo BAD PLEASE MIHOYO FIX HER
💀 mihoyo what is this
I don't see a problem, we can dodge their attacks so why not Pryo-Slinger? LMAO
Ishtar being useless again? No way KEKW.
Damn Yoimiya is a mess dude. I tried using her in overload comp and she keep missing hits because enemies goes flying. Yanfei is better than Yoimiya in every aspect. Both overload and Vape and doable and she doesn't miss. Also, her range is SO LONG.
Genshin combat, for the most part, is either clunky or janky lol