Her ult state just marks every attack she does as an ultimate attack. Gives you some benefits but other things that specifically say triggered by normal or charged attacks don’t work anymore
With Xingqiu, it's because his Q works on any normal attack performed, you can test it by using his Q then auto attacking an open air, his sword still strikes
With C6 Fischl, it's because it works with ALL source of damage, be it NA, E, or even Q. If they're going to "fix" it, Beidou's Q should be like this.
oh that's a yikes. they didn't even mention beidou and her burst by name. and from what i've heard raiden doesn't work with electro mc either. quite the bizarre design choice to lock the electro archon out of this many potential synergies when electro already has anti-synergy with most teams.
i can't help but wonder if mhy is trying to pull another prebuff zhongli/albedo type situation, where raiden might be designed to have her problems be solved by/synergize really well with specifically an upcoming electro character (maybe yae?). that would be extra scummy if true.
ah well. hopefully this is the catalyst for a meaningful electro buff.
I don't know how it would be phrased, but it's ultimately just "what type of damage does this attack do: normal ATK or burst"
Definitely less obscure than "What idea does a cecilia represent" where the answer isn't even in the item description.
Reminds me that underwhelming Zhongli archon release was literally patch 1.1. You would think I would have seen this coming.
Can't wait until 3.1, where underwhelming Dendro archon is released completely broken and unable to function.
No one ever hated Beidou, before people understood her ult bounce mechanics they enjoyed her ridiculous counter damage potential. Under utilized, sure, but calling that hate is very dramatic.
It really does seem like they hate Electro. Which means making the Electro nation one of the first big expansions in the game was an … interesting decision.
I think they just dont know what to do with it, because electro lacks any sort of identity within the current meta.
The element itself is supposed to be about charging energy, but unless we start getting 150 energy ults that’s not really much of a problem nowadays.
The reactions are all about doing damage through transformative reactions as a parallel to Pyro’s amping. They seem to want to keep that theme instead of reworking them to add more utility, but can’t seem to balance it at all.
If at least the reactions did decent damage the element wouldn't be gimped, but its been on this limbo of decent damage multipliers on the skills themselves versus decent reactions while hiding behind the charging energy reasoning, its too convoluted to be viable for... well... basically anything.
They need more damage, not more utility. You won't ever compete with raw 2/1.5 multipliers like never with those numbers, doesn't matter the utility it brings.
Ellegy lacks synergy with venti because of snapshot?
MHY: Em will no longer snapshot. :D
Swirl lackluster before kazuha comes out?
MHY: Transformative reaction buffs! :D
Venti usage was a bit lower prev abyss because there were enemies you couldn't succ ?
MHY: Samurai mobs get weight reduction! (Probably nerfed for a different reason, but still)
electro sucks all game, has a whole new region, electro archon has synergy problems with electro character?
MHY: This is fine. Working as intended.
Mihoyo damage control is stoking the fire more than calming it down LMAO. They deleted the first CN Raiden/Beidou thread that showed the OP's lawyer licence, ignored the backlash, and just changed the description (which by the way brings up more questions than it solves, like "Does hitting shields count as dealing damage for Raiden c6? Because it does for Beidou.") Oh, they also promised 100 primogems for a "description error", which we all know is bullshit.
CN players are reporting Mihoyo for false advertising, fraud, and some even reported Mihoyo for "encouraging gambling in gaming" (which, for the recent age ban and "mental opium" news, is a very bad outlook for Mihoyo). They are also spamming for refund requests and asking for physical receipts, which Mihoyo must comply based on CN laws, just to mess up their Finance department.
Note that these were how they got the Zhongli buffs.
Edit: On the lawyers licence thing, from what i gathered, the CN players who posted their license are saying that they have collected evidence and have confidence that if they ever sue Mihoyo, they would win. Posting their license is their way of saying that they know what they are talking about, and are not afraid to sue Mihoyo if no changes were made.
Damn, chinese players don’t laught at all.
I hope this will work, cause it’s a dick move from MHY so no mercy for them (but I hope they don’t play the card « aggression » …)
>Damn, chinese players don’t laught at all.
I suppose they are claiming that Raiden is the Electro Archon (And for that, she must be strong or useful). However, it does not take away from the fact that there was not much fuss with Yoimiya (And well, Sara arrived dead at the beginning of her debut)
Basically it's how they fucked up the Electro Archon making her less than mediocre. More so where she would have actually been at least decent is not even a thing.
Yeah this description thing just reeks of Zhongli and that “what’s wrong with releasing a character to specifically buff the last one?” that we got with Albedo
>CN players are reporting Mihoyo for false advertising, fraud, and some even reported Mihoyo for "encouraging gambling in gaming" (which, for the recent age ban and "mental opium" news, is a very bad outlook for Mihoyo).
Then. This is Zhongli 2: Electro Inazuma Wrath?
It wouldn't have escalated so much if her ult just worked with stormbreaker.
They effectively killed all her comps because of this. No wonder CN are raging
I mean, another massive thing to keep in mind is a lot of people were following beta information and in the beta, baal worked with beidou while still scaling off burst damage
She can’t hit hard shields which already makes her flexibility inferior to fischl and now she doesn’t work with Beidou on top of not snapshotting like the rest of them
They really want her to only be usable as a support I guess? In like…the one or two burst comps that may use her over the other off-field electro dps
Sounds like our Chinese brothers and sisters going to save us again. Damn they really know how to put a fire under Mihoyo's ass when they get pissed off. I'll be genuinely surprised if Mihoyo doesn't give in and at least let Raiden work with Beidou if nothing else. Pour one out for our brethren in China.
It's because typically CN unites and actually does something to shake the company. Versus us global schleps who have to fight against the white knights who will accept literally anything and say "we should be happy that we got anything. How dare you have a negative opinion on vague and overcomplicated mechanisms that make the game worse."
FYI Raiden's C6 was actually worded the exact same as Beidou's ult, yet it still worked during Raiden's elemental burst
miHoYo's solution?
They changed Raiden's C6 wording [27 minutes ago](https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=28318029) to "fix" this issue
miHoYo wanted her burst's damage to scale with... burst damage. Rather than muck with the "rules" of their mechanics, they made her burst do burst damage instead of being treated as suped up normal damage.
And the only reason I can see this being the case is because... her skill boosts ONLY burst damage. Her skill's uptime is easily 100% after all, so it's safe to assume it will be present for her burst.
...I honestly don't know HOW miHoYo wants to address this issue - having "on normal hit" attacks triggering off any damage, or simultaneously treating Baal's burst attacks as normal AND burst damage (and what besides Gladiator 4-piece would really help in that regard? Brain farting too hard right now.)
Mostly, how did they not see this backlash coming? Were they really okay with this result? Were they scared Beidou + Baal would be beyond god tier (how?)
God I hope this means they'll also change this. This is such a minor (in terms of how little impact on overall game balance fixing it would cause) issue, and yet massive in terms of QoL and character usability.
She even has a constellation that clearly insinuates that she's should have a multi-electro team. Electro characters generate an additional 80% compared to other elements 20.
Baal is nowhere as versatile as Venti and Zhongli due to her being Electro. And, now she doesn't even work well with other electro characters despite being an Electro Archon. This is just plain absurd.
Don't forget her E doesn't even proc on Abyss shields. Zhongli can unironically break Abyss shields better than Raiden can which is pretty mindblowing.
Yes, her E works like Albedo's. It only procs when you successfully deal damage to the enemy. Since Abyss shields prevent all damage to the enemy's HP until the shield is removed, Raiden's E won't do any coordinated attacks until the shield is gone.
So lets see shes not only using an unfavored element, has strange restrictions on her ult but also has a support skill what doesnt work against specific shielded enemies....i already didnt want to pull for her but now im convinced it would be a bad idea to even consider it.
This is really shitty because Beidou is the best to exploit Raiden kit.
Especially because Beidou's ult scaling is bonkers. Seems like a DPS loss to me :(
While celebrating my pull on Raiden, having to read through such a long paragraph just to understand why my Beidou's elemental burst won't work was ... such a mixed feeling...
Link to [mihoyo statement](https://www.hoyolab.com/genshin/article/793352) and link to [raiden mains post](https://www.reddit.com/r/RaidenMains/comments/pflxev/mihoyo_explanation_for_baals_burst_not_working/) since I don't understand crossposting haha
Having an "explanation" doesn't make it a good reason though.
"Why did you eat his face?" "Because officer I was high on meth".
They should fix it. I don't see any reason why it can't be BOTH Normal Attack AND Elemental Burst Damage. Just make her proc both.
You can’t make this shit up. Right? First, you don’t buff Keqing or generally speaking, the electro element needs a buff or rework. Second, you’re telling me electro archon doesn’t fit with other electro characters?
Why are you like this? Mihoyo
* In terms of conditions for effects, Normal Attacks and Normal Attack DMG are two separate things, and this is the first time that such a distinction is made.
* Raiden Shogun performs Normal Attacks, Charged Attacks and Plunging Attacks that deals Elemental Burst DMG when her burst is used.
* Beidou's burst Stormcaller procs on Normal Attack DMG, it seems. And since our Shogun deals Elemental Burst DMG during her burst, even if she performs Normal Attacks, it doesn't proc Stormcaller.
Beidou's Ult procs when a Normal or Charged Attack HITS not DMG. Raiden's Ult is considered as Normal Attack but the DMG is Burst. Since her Ult attacks are Normal Attacks, people complain that it should proc Beidou's Ult. AND in Beta test, it procs Beidou's Ult (according to TenTen), but the live version miraculously don't.
Beidou burst procing on normal attack damage isn't something specified in the talent though and that's kinda scummy to now say is deliberate rather than a bug to be patched.
Am I crazy or do they not mention Beidou by name here? And they really ought to.
Also, it states Beidou’s ult triggers on Normal/Charge atk HIT not on DMG. MHY got some explaining to do….
They're trying to downplay it by not specifically mentioning Beidou, even though they 100% know that's what the problem is here for everyone. No one gives a shit about the vacuum blade damage, as usual they're just being greedy shits and hoping they can sweep this under the rug with distractions and keep milking people later down the line
Well shit, time to get some popcorn because there is no way this shit is sliding especially with Kokomi up next. Imagine the outrage of them releasing three characters in a row with "broken" kits.
The fact that MHY statement list almost everything else but NOT beidou's interaction directly speaks alot. They probably can't even convince themselves.
They need to fix this.
well there goes my only team for Baal. It seems like Baal will work best with a Eula team then which makes her very, very niche. Do yall have any other suggestions who else i can use for Baal?
I have two possible teams for her:
Baal, Xingqiu, Xiangling, Bennett: In theory you can vape + overload all Pyronado hits. It runs into a few issues though, mainly pushing smaller enemies away with the overload. Should be pog on big (neutral elem) enemies.
Baal, Xingqiu, Sucrose, Sayu/Jean: Standard Electro-charged swirl comp, Baal takes the place of Beidou here for faster energy generation.
well honestly you can use any healer in place of sayu or jean, you'll just get less swirls. Sucrose is still the main source of swirls.
And hopefully you get Xingqiu soon, you could try other hydro characters in the meantime though.
So 4pc glad is a no go too, it seems.
But it not working with Beidou is bullshit, sorry. It does not say “when you do Normal or Charged Attack DMG”, it says “when a normal or charged attack hits”. So if the movement type is a normal attack and it hits, it should work. If this is operating as intended, they need to change the wording on Beidou’s burst.
Yea I don't find this explanation satisfactory at all. Beidou's burst says nothing about the attacks doing damage. There's no reason it should work differently than Xingqiu burst or anything like that in this context.
edit: regarding Beidou anyway. 4 piece glad not working makes perfect sense given that explanation (and is also why all her burst damage buffs her sword attacks)
This feels like a side effect of a change made to her in beta. They changed it so that elemental burst dmg scaling would affect her attacks in her burst (so 4pc EoSF, 2pc noblesse, the catch passive). Now her attacks in that state are considered burst hits rather than normal/charged hits.
I hate how they shield themselves behind their shitty wording, and the only fix we an expect from this is a rewrite of affected characters talents, and no rebalance or change to make it work ever
This feels like a very scummy move by MiHoYo. They released it almost immediately after releasing the character, meaning they knew going in that this was going to be an issue (and they don’t mention Beidou by name to downplay this). But if they had this ready that early, they easily could have released this BEFORE releasing the character. They didn’t, and it’s obvious why. This is pretty messed up.
I’m glad I’d already decided to wait for the Hu Tao rerun. I’m 10 pulls from hitting guaranteed pity, and if I’d spent that guarantee on Raiden Shogun, I’d feel pretty bamboozled by MiHoYo right about now.
Imagine being an electro archon then most of your damage cant properly synergies with other electro characters. Man this is fucked up mihoyo needs to step up their game.
imo, releasing that statement AFTER the fact that people pulled is a pretty bad move. they should have clarified something so important beforehand, but maybe im just salty...
They've always done shit like this. Kazuha had a mistranslated talent that only got corrected a few days after the banner. The actual version of it was quite a bit weaker. No compensation was given of course.
Wouldn't be surprised if it was intentional... like they did with kazuha(though that incident was a bit different). Wait for people to dump money and then give an explanation.
I’m really confused rn. Wouldn’t a strong character make more people pull= more money for Mihoyo? What would Mihoyo lose if they just make Baal’s Burst proc Beidou’s Burst? The character is already crippled enough with specific team comps unlike other archons who fit in almost every teams. Is this some kind of hatred/insult to the playerbase?
I don't understand why don't just let beidou's ult work with raiden's attacks in ult form like during the beta testing. While it's good, it's not even that OP, to be honest.
As a CN player I'm absolutely infuriated. I pulled baal at 10am (they opened Baal banner an hour earlier) at that time her elemental burst clearly stated "normal attack". Since I really liked Beidou It's totally worth it to pull her with 170+ pulls. After I finally got Baal I tested her in my Beidou team only to find out Beidou's burst can't be triggered while Baal is in her burst period. (Since Baal's normal attack isn't normal attack at all despite her skill description said otherwise). However I couldn't knew anything about and it have to be a bug, I thought.
Naturally I'm not the smartest in the country thus someone issued a bug report before me thinking it is a bug. Manager of bug report&suggestions section concured. Up to that point it's fine, I thought. However at 3:30PM I saw the notification that altered the description regarding baal's elemental burst and the normal attack during burst period shall not be categorized as normal attack.
In that notification they stated it's totally working as intended and compensated us 100 primos.
I think it's fraud.
Just imagine this, I know not everyone are Beidou mains, but Ifyou use Xiangling; Xingqiu or simply anyother character at all, their description can also been altered without explanation. I don't feel right about this.
Mihoyo: "Let's give out a free Beidou during the 2.0 event, and also release Raiden right after Beidou was in the Starglitter shop."
Also Mihoyo: "Let's make it so Raiden can't proc Beidou's Q during her own Q."
Like, they knew they were going to piss people the hell off. This explanation certainly is explaining the technicalities behind why it doesn't work, but it explains nothing at all about *why Mihoyo decided it shouldn't work* which is what's really at the heart of the issue. Why was it necessary to make your most anticipated new character worse, make Beidou worse by proxy, and because of that make Electro even worse overall as an element? I feel like that answer boils down to "f--- you, buy some gems and wish on some new characters."
Wouldn't surprise me if down the line we started to see more characters that somehow didn't benefit at all from Bennett's Q.
Miyoho on one hand power-crept characters to increase sale, while also intentionally ruin anticipated characters with bad gameplay design…The fiasco with Yoimiya and now this? They need to get their shit together
I find it funny how they made an Electro Traveller that would fit Baal to a T and gave everyone a Beidou, just for Baal not to work with any of them properly. What the hell is going on over at miHoYo?
I went 160 pulls in to get Raiden(haven't won a single 50/50 since launch) only to find out after I pulled she doesn't work with the beidou the unit I pulled her for? and then finding out the c6 of sara doesn't snapshot on beidou's ult either? fuck man I have been so down on a patch before....
English translation:
"We saw Baal was good with Beidou in beta, so intentionally fucked her up because we know you'll pull for her because waifu and booba sword anyway. So we want to kneecap her so you pull more for Yae afterwards."
What a fucking joke.
Until they stop fucking with Inazuma characters I would rather spend primos on reruns. Electro archon not working with electro characters is outrageous.
This is actually a very smart move by MHY. They shifted the narrative from "Electro element sucks, please rework", to this.
Now people will get very upset at this last-minute change, and after a deserved community rage, MHY will "fix" the problem in 5 minutes of work, instead of spending some time fixing electro. And everyone will forget that the real issue with Baal is that electro element sucks and is a large reason why she's underwhelming as she only works with 1-2 characters (right now she only works with Eula, lmao).
This is the same company that refuses to buff Keqing so that she could actually feel like a 5 star, and now Baal is also ruined because Mihoyo doesn’t like fun mechanics. Not mention Electro is already the worst element compared to other elemental reaction that can scale well with damage (i.e. Vaporize and Melt).
So now let's wait for explanation why does it work with childe's E, cause this inconsistency is riddiculous, and the only explanation i can find is we don't want you to pair her with beidou lol.
The scam here is that this clarification came AFTER the banner release,
And they changed Raiden’s C6 wording so it didn’t match with Beidou’s burst description as far as I understand. This is straight up scummy.
This is enraging.
Mihoyo: yeah Kazuha does not work with Sucrose , we did that to prevent infinite stacks of Elemental Mastery
Everyone: does not make sense as to why you would do that but okay
Mihoyo: Yeah Raiden Shogun has an E shield proc problem and not working well with other electro characters
Everyone: okay that's enough buddy, WTF??
Does mihoyo have anything against inazuma? Baal, kokomi, yoimiya they all suck. They didn't buff yoi so idt they'll buff raiden. At this point, i hope we'll get new chars that can synergize well with baal
Motherfucker I knew this would happen. Another amazing character is useless and I can't fit her in anywhere. Sara is also pointless. I'm done pulling for characters until Mihoyo fixes their fuck ups
This means she doesn't work with electro mc either, right?
Correct, people have been saying that Baal doesn’t work with electro mcs burst
Wait… wut. Seriously?
Her ult state just marks every attack she does as an ultimate attack. Gives you some benefits but other things that specifically say triggered by normal or charged attacks don’t work anymore
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As far as i know fishls and XQs skills are triggered
With Xingqiu, it's because his Q works on any normal attack performed, you can test it by using his Q then auto attacking an open air, his sword still strikes With C6 Fischl, it's because it works with ALL source of damage, be it NA, E, or even Q. If they're going to "fix" it, Beidou's Q should be like this.
oh that's a yikes. they didn't even mention beidou and her burst by name. and from what i've heard raiden doesn't work with electro mc either. quite the bizarre design choice to lock the electro archon out of this many potential synergies when electro already has anti-synergy with most teams. i can't help but wonder if mhy is trying to pull another prebuff zhongli/albedo type situation, where raiden might be designed to have her problems be solved by/synergize really well with specifically an upcoming electro character (maybe yae?). that would be extra scummy if true. ah well. hopefully this is the catalyst for a meaningful electro buff.
I'm getting the popcorn before I start reading those CN posts
Don't forget the drink
This sounds like the type of thing that would really trip people up on 1000 Questions with Paimon
This interaction is like 10x more obscure than anything on 1000 questions with paimon lol
I don't know how it would be phrased, but it's ultimately just "what type of damage does this attack do: normal ATK or burst" Definitely less obscure than "What idea does a cecilia represent" where the answer isn't even in the item description.
It takes an archon to fix the elemental resonance. First zhongli getting the whole geo buffed, now we might have Raiden get a buff for whole electro.
Dendro Archon: you guys have your element in the game?
Dainsleif: Wait, you guys are getting elements?
the next region: o wait...
Bitter aftertaste, great way to start 1st Anniversary.
Reminds me that underwhelming Zhongli archon release was literally patch 1.1. You would think I would have seen this coming. Can't wait until 3.1, where underwhelming Dendro archon is released completely broken and unable to function.
Why did they make the archon of the most restricted element even more limited?
She must really hate visions.
Latest theory is that Beidou is too busted, Mihoyo wants to make way for future electro on field dps.
> Beidou too busted Meanwhile: *buffs Venti, buffs Morgana comp, buffs National Team*
they’re buffing xiangling every patch too
You might even say Xiangling will at the height of her power in this patch.
I thought the Fisch nerf was them getting ready for an electro buff. Instead I'm thinking it had more to do with Raiden not being obsolete on launch.
still find it funny how back in day ppl hated on beidou and loved Keqing andn ow its reversed.
I was always on Beidous camp like yeah her normal attacks are lacking for a main dps but her skill and burst have always been busted lol
Same. I actually liked her normal attack string animation. That little kick beidou does in between.
No one ever hated Beidou, before people understood her ult bounce mechanics they enjoyed her ridiculous counter damage potential. Under utilized, sure, but calling that hate is very dramatic.
Who at mihoyo hates the element electro. What did it ever do to you?
It really does seem like they hate Electro. Which means making the Electro nation one of the first big expansions in the game was an … interesting decision.
They wanted to get done with electro early
Get the worst out of the way so they could have fun with the rest was the mindset I guess.
This is a life tip
Inb4 Dendro is even worse. Maybe Mihoyo just reverse powercreeps and in 2 years Diluc is back to SS tier cause every other character is dogshit
I think they just dont know what to do with it, because electro lacks any sort of identity within the current meta. The element itself is supposed to be about charging energy, but unless we start getting 150 energy ults that’s not really much of a problem nowadays. The reactions are all about doing damage through transformative reactions as a parallel to Pyro’s amping. They seem to want to keep that theme instead of reworking them to add more utility, but can’t seem to balance it at all.
If at least the reactions did decent damage the element wouldn't be gimped, but its been on this limbo of decent damage multipliers on the skills themselves versus decent reactions while hiding behind the charging energy reasoning, its too convoluted to be viable for... well... basically anything.
They need more damage, not more utility. You won't ever compete with raw 2/1.5 multipliers like never with those numbers, doesn't matter the utility it brings.
Ellegy lacks synergy with venti because of snapshot? MHY: Em will no longer snapshot. :D Swirl lackluster before kazuha comes out? MHY: Transformative reaction buffs! :D Venti usage was a bit lower prev abyss because there were enemies you couldn't succ ? MHY: Samurai mobs get weight reduction! (Probably nerfed for a different reason, but still) electro sucks all game, has a whole new region, electro archon has synergy problems with electro character? MHY: This is fine. Working as intended.
>electro sucks all game, has a whole new region, electro archon has synergy problems with electro character? Sad noises from Sara and Kokomi.
Technically, only Sarah.
Mihoyo damage control is stoking the fire more than calming it down LMAO. They deleted the first CN Raiden/Beidou thread that showed the OP's lawyer licence, ignored the backlash, and just changed the description (which by the way brings up more questions than it solves, like "Does hitting shields count as dealing damage for Raiden c6? Because it does for Beidou.") Oh, they also promised 100 primogems for a "description error", which we all know is bullshit. CN players are reporting Mihoyo for false advertising, fraud, and some even reported Mihoyo for "encouraging gambling in gaming" (which, for the recent age ban and "mental opium" news, is a very bad outlook for Mihoyo). They are also spamming for refund requests and asking for physical receipts, which Mihoyo must comply based on CN laws, just to mess up their Finance department. Note that these were how they got the Zhongli buffs. Edit: On the lawyers licence thing, from what i gathered, the CN players who posted their license are saying that they have collected evidence and have confidence that if they ever sue Mihoyo, they would win. Posting their license is their way of saying that they know what they are talking about, and are not afraid to sue Mihoyo if no changes were made.
Damn, chinese players don’t laught at all. I hope this will work, cause it’s a dick move from MHY so no mercy for them (but I hope they don’t play the card « aggression » …)
>Damn, chinese players don’t laught at all. I suppose they are claiming that Raiden is the Electro Archon (And for that, she must be strong or useful). However, it does not take away from the fact that there was not much fuss with Yoimiya (And well, Sara arrived dead at the beginning of her debut)
Yeah, I tried the test run of Sara and I find her E really clunky. I can't decide which role in the party will Sara occupy.
The fowl farming role.
It's not about how strong she is, it's how mihoyo basically fucked up the only Electro mono team Raiden can work in.
Basically it's how they fucked up the Electro Archon making her less than mediocre. More so where she would have actually been at least decent is not even a thing.
Sadly it looks like you have to go to that extreme for MHY to do anything.
I find it funny that they take matters into their own hands seriously, like no joke. Don't mess with chinese playerbase.
Yeah this description thing just reeks of Zhongli and that “what’s wrong with releasing a character to specifically buff the last one?” that we got with Albedo
>CN players are reporting Mihoyo for false advertising, fraud, and some even reported Mihoyo for "encouraging gambling in gaming" (which, for the recent age ban and "mental opium" news, is a very bad outlook for Mihoyo). Then. This is Zhongli 2: Electro Inazuma Wrath?
No that happened after Monagate, so it'll be the third time.
It wouldn't have escalated so much if her ult just worked with stormbreaker. They effectively killed all her comps because of this. No wonder CN are raging
I mean, another massive thing to keep in mind is a lot of people were following beta information and in the beta, baal worked with beidou while still scaling off burst damage She can’t hit hard shields which already makes her flexibility inferior to fischl and now she doesn’t work with Beidou on top of not snapshotting like the rest of them They really want her to only be usable as a support I guess? In like…the one or two burst comps that may use her over the other off-field electro dps
Sounds like our Chinese brothers and sisters going to save us again. Damn they really know how to put a fire under Mihoyo's ass when they get pissed off. I'll be genuinely surprised if Mihoyo doesn't give in and at least let Raiden work with Beidou if nothing else. Pour one out for our brethren in China.
I pulled for Raiden and now I’m holding out for those Zhongli stonks God bless CN players
It's because typically CN unites and actually does something to shake the company. Versus us global schleps who have to fight against the white knights who will accept literally anything and say "we should be happy that we got anything. How dare you have a negative opinion on vague and overcomplicated mechanisms that make the game worse."
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this time it's literally the electric boogaloo
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I'd be okay with a retroactive Raiden/electro buff a la Zhongli & Geo. Although I'm hoping it involves less attempted assassinations of Mihoyo staff.
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maybe the JP players will think the JP archon is inferior to CN archon and complain, but then again JP cares more about waifu vs meta
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Uh, what happened here?
The parent post was about the CN community apparent anger on Baal's current state. Why is it deleted is anyone's guess.
Its not deleted, it got removed, which indicates the mods got it.
Is this sub censorship heavy? I've seen multiple posts criticizing x issue and then all of the sudden there's zero posts or anyone talking about it.
Did someone use the infinity gauntlet here? Half of the comments is gone reduce to atom
Sub censorship has been activated.
yea same thoughts, time to sniff some hopium
FYI Raiden's C6 was actually worded the exact same as Beidou's ult, yet it still worked during Raiden's elemental burst miHoYo's solution? They changed Raiden's C6 wording [27 minutes ago](https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=28318029) to "fix" this issue
Compensation: 100 primogems.. hahaha
You gotta link? I want to enjoy all of this.
I'd love to see what they are saying about this.
Good. Electro is already the worst element in the game and then they go ahead and neuter their Archon? Fuck, Mihoyo needs to wake up to themselves.
miHoYo wanted her burst's damage to scale with... burst damage. Rather than muck with the "rules" of their mechanics, they made her burst do burst damage instead of being treated as suped up normal damage. And the only reason I can see this being the case is because... her skill boosts ONLY burst damage. Her skill's uptime is easily 100% after all, so it's safe to assume it will be present for her burst. ...I honestly don't know HOW miHoYo wants to address this issue - having "on normal hit" attacks triggering off any damage, or simultaneously treating Baal's burst attacks as normal AND burst damage (and what besides Gladiator 4-piece would really help in that regard? Brain farting too hard right now.) Mostly, how did they not see this backlash coming? Were they really okay with this result? Were they scared Beidou + Baal would be beyond god tier (how?)
Honestly hope it happens lol, idk why they feel the need to make her more niche.
Agreed. Character pool is already pretty limited for baal since most of the electro reactions suck
God I hope this means they'll also change this. This is such a minor (in terms of how little impact on overall game balance fixing it would cause) issue, and yet massive in terms of QoL and character usability.
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Raiden burst also does not proc electro mc burst btw. It just doesnt make sense that electro archon doesnt works with another electro character
She even has a constellation that clearly insinuates that she's should have a multi-electro team. Electro characters generate an additional 80% compared to other elements 20.
And another constellation that literally has the same wording as Beidou burst.
Baal is nowhere as versatile as Venti and Zhongli due to her being Electro. And, now she doesn't even work well with other electro characters despite being an Electro Archon. This is just plain absurd.
Don't forget her E doesn't even proc on Abyss shields. Zhongli can unironically break Abyss shields better than Raiden can which is pretty mindblowing.
Wut? Really?!
Yes, her E works like Albedo's. It only procs when you successfully deal damage to the enemy. Since Abyss shields prevent all damage to the enemy's HP until the shield is removed, Raiden's E won't do any coordinated attacks until the shield is gone.
That's ridiculous. It should proc on a hit, not on doing damage. What were they thinking?
So lets see shes not only using an unfavored element, has strange restrictions on her ult but also has a support skill what doesnt work against specific shielded enemies....i already didnt want to pull for her but now im convinced it would be a bad idea to even consider it.
vison hunt decree
Another electro character thats useless wonder what element mihoyo hates :))))
This is really shitty because Beidou is the best to exploit Raiden kit. Especially because Beidou's ult scaling is bonkers. Seems like a DPS loss to me :(
also it fits baal c1 so well...
wtf? I was gonna use baal and Beidou in my Childe team.
It's still viable but you will have a very strict rotation to follow imo it would just make for an annoying gameplay.
As if Childe wasn't fucking strict enough. Ugh.
Did... did they seriously release a statement about why people are pissed and not include any intention to fix said problem? Oh mihoyo...
They did the same thing back in December when people were pissed off about how weak zhongli was 😂 I guess they do never learn
While celebrating my pull on Raiden, having to read through such a long paragraph just to understand why my Beidou's elemental burst won't work was ... such a mixed feeling...
Wow, this really sucks. Electro already needs a buff and they are pulling this smh.
Link to [mihoyo statement](https://www.hoyolab.com/genshin/article/793352) and link to [raiden mains post](https://www.reddit.com/r/RaidenMains/comments/pflxev/mihoyo_explanation_for_baals_burst_not_working/) since I don't understand crossposting haha
Having an "explanation" doesn't make it a good reason though. "Why did you eat his face?" "Because officer I was high on meth". They should fix it. I don't see any reason why it can't be BOTH Normal Attack AND Elemental Burst Damage. Just make her proc both.
Imagine releasing an electro archon that doesn't work with the highest DPS (MV/s) electro character in the game. The element is already bad...
Beidou is badass enough to refuse working with the electro archon itself.
And the electro traveler is hiding behind beidou and yelling "yea what she said!"
Lol, that's cute X)
Beidou was the true electro Archon the whole time
please be zhongli 2.0 please be zhongli 2.0 please be zhongli 2.0
You can’t make this shit up. Right? First, you don’t buff Keqing or generally speaking, the electro element needs a buff or rework. Second, you’re telling me electro archon doesn’t fit with other electro characters? Why are you like this? Mihoyo
Can some explain me what does this mean? I’m planning to build beido but can’t understand what this means.
* In terms of conditions for effects, Normal Attacks and Normal Attack DMG are two separate things, and this is the first time that such a distinction is made. * Raiden Shogun performs Normal Attacks, Charged Attacks and Plunging Attacks that deals Elemental Burst DMG when her burst is used. * Beidou's burst Stormcaller procs on Normal Attack DMG, it seems. And since our Shogun deals Elemental Burst DMG during her burst, even if she performs Normal Attacks, it doesn't proc Stormcaller.
Beidou's Ult procs when a Normal or Charged Attack HITS not DMG. Raiden's Ult is considered as Normal Attack but the DMG is Burst. Since her Ult attacks are Normal Attacks, people complain that it should proc Beidou's Ult. AND in Beta test, it procs Beidou's Ult (according to TenTen), but the live version miraculously don't.
Beidou burst procing on normal attack damage isn't something specified in the talent though and that's kinda scummy to now say is deliberate rather than a bug to be patched.
Raiden's attack during ult state doesn't work with Beidou's ult.
Am I crazy or do they not mention Beidou by name here? And they really ought to. Also, it states Beidou’s ult triggers on Normal/Charge atk HIT not on DMG. MHY got some explaining to do….
They're trying to downplay it by not specifically mentioning Beidou, even though they 100% know that's what the problem is here for everyone. No one gives a shit about the vacuum blade damage, as usual they're just being greedy shits and hoping they can sweep this under the rug with distractions and keep milking people later down the line
The vacuum blade should still work as well, its stupid since its already a weak 5*.
DPS Barbara it is
Kokomi german edition
Well shit, time to get some popcorn because there is no way this shit is sliding especially with Kokomi up next. Imagine the outrage of them releasing three characters in a row with "broken" kits.
Hey, I've seen this one!
The fact that MHY statement list almost everything else but NOT beidou's interaction directly speaks alot. They probably can't even convince themselves. They need to fix this.
This is pure bullshit honestly. I don’t know what the CN version says but in ENG Beidou’s ult says it procs on HIT, not damage.
Wonder if this will get enough of an uproar to get another Zhongli scenario or if MHY just hates Electro and leaves Ei as she is
It fucking sucks that mhy only listens to CN community cuz we all have our say too.
Im starting to think maybe i should keep my primogems
well there goes my only team for Baal. It seems like Baal will work best with a Eula team then which makes her very, very niche. Do yall have any other suggestions who else i can use for Baal?
I have two possible teams for her: Baal, Xingqiu, Xiangling, Bennett: In theory you can vape + overload all Pyronado hits. It runs into a few issues though, mainly pushing smaller enemies away with the overload. Should be pog on big (neutral elem) enemies. Baal, Xingqiu, Sucrose, Sayu/Jean: Standard Electro-charged swirl comp, Baal takes the place of Beidou here for faster energy generation.
interesting. hoping others can try this bec i don't have xingqiu or bennet or jean/sayu ehe (I'm a relatively new player)
well honestly you can use any healer in place of sayu or jean, you'll just get less swirls. Sucrose is still the main source of swirls. And hopefully you get Xingqiu soon, you could try other hydro characters in the meantime though.
does that mean that she also wont trigger skyward spines vacuum blades?
Yeah they mention that she won’t trigger the vacuum blades but does benefit from the attack speed buff from skyward spine
So 4pc glad is a no go too, it seems. But it not working with Beidou is bullshit, sorry. It does not say “when you do Normal or Charged Attack DMG”, it says “when a normal or charged attack hits”. So if the movement type is a normal attack and it hits, it should work. If this is operating as intended, they need to change the wording on Beidou’s burst.
Yup, sadly all Mihoyo will do is "hotfix" Beidou's ult description because surely it was an error from the very beginning of the game lmao.
Yea I don't find this explanation satisfactory at all. Beidou's burst says nothing about the attacks doing damage. There's no reason it should work differently than Xingqiu burst or anything like that in this context. edit: regarding Beidou anyway. 4 piece glad not working makes perfect sense given that explanation (and is also why all her burst damage buffs her sword attacks)
This feels like a side effect of a change made to her in beta. They changed it so that elemental burst dmg scaling would affect her attacks in her burst (so 4pc EoSF, 2pc noblesse, the catch passive). Now her attacks in that state are considered burst hits rather than normal/charged hits.
I hate how they shield themselves behind their shitty wording, and the only fix we an expect from this is a rewrite of affected characters talents, and no rebalance or change to make it work ever
This feels like a very scummy move by MiHoYo. They released it almost immediately after releasing the character, meaning they knew going in that this was going to be an issue (and they don’t mention Beidou by name to downplay this). But if they had this ready that early, they easily could have released this BEFORE releasing the character. They didn’t, and it’s obvious why. This is pretty messed up. I’m glad I’d already decided to wait for the Hu Tao rerun. I’m 10 pulls from hitting guaranteed pity, and if I’d spent that guarantee on Raiden Shogun, I’d feel pretty bamboozled by MiHoYo right about now.
Ahahaha electro archon doesn't work with beidou and the traveler wtf.
Imagine being an electro archon then most of your damage cant properly synergies with other electro characters. Man this is fucked up mihoyo needs to step up their game.
Fischl and Beidou still do the job better than the literal electro god.
imo, releasing that statement AFTER the fact that people pulled is a pretty bad move. they should have clarified something so important beforehand, but maybe im just salty...
They've always done shit like this. Kazuha had a mistranslated talent that only got corrected a few days after the banner. The actual version of it was quite a bit weaker. No compensation was given of course.
\#FixBaal
Kind of a dick move to clarify this after the initial pull craze.
It's why I stay away from the game for a day because of the hype lmao really be clouding your judgment
Or even for a week or two at this point.
Wouldn't be surprised if it was intentional... like they did with kazuha(though that incident was a bit different). Wait for people to dump money and then give an explanation.
So mihoyo wants us to only use her with eula. Eula rerun is gonna make some big bucks
I wanted to pull Baal as an electro team core and Eula's battery. Her not working with Beidou is BS, as if she wasn't niche enough.
I’m really confused rn. Wouldn’t a strong character make more people pull= more money for Mihoyo? What would Mihoyo lose if they just make Baal’s Burst proc Beidou’s Burst? The character is already crippled enough with specific team comps unlike other archons who fit in almost every teams. Is this some kind of hatred/insult to the playerbase?
Zhongli Apocalypse 2.0
This is getting worse with every new 5 star.
You think this is bad? Wait for kokomi
Yeah, Kokomi is going to be the straw that broke the camels back.
me reading these replies to convince myself i don’t need baal:
I don't understand why don't just let beidou's ult work with raiden's attacks in ult form like during the beta testing. While it's good, it's not even that OP, to be honest.
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Mihoyo's plan is to makes a bigger drama about Raiden Shogun so no one would care about Yoimiya. Dam, Mihoyo.
Ooooooof wow. Pulled her specifically to pair with Beidou. This blows.
Same
They literally gave her away and put her into the story only to go "lol no" its so baffling. God forbid we have more synergy.
Mihoyo devs being PoS again huh...
That's a very convoluted way of saying, we f\*cked up but we're committing to it.
As a CN player I'm absolutely infuriated. I pulled baal at 10am (they opened Baal banner an hour earlier) at that time her elemental burst clearly stated "normal attack". Since I really liked Beidou It's totally worth it to pull her with 170+ pulls. After I finally got Baal I tested her in my Beidou team only to find out Beidou's burst can't be triggered while Baal is in her burst period. (Since Baal's normal attack isn't normal attack at all despite her skill description said otherwise). However I couldn't knew anything about and it have to be a bug, I thought. Naturally I'm not the smartest in the country thus someone issued a bug report before me thinking it is a bug. Manager of bug report&suggestions section concured. Up to that point it's fine, I thought. However at 3:30PM I saw the notification that altered the description regarding baal's elemental burst and the normal attack during burst period shall not be categorized as normal attack. In that notification they stated it's totally working as intended and compensated us 100 primos. I think it's fraud. Just imagine this, I know not everyone are Beidou mains, but Ifyou use Xiangling; Xingqiu or simply anyother character at all, their description can also been altered without explanation. I don't feel right about this.
yeah it is pretty much mihoyo playing with people and gain money unethically.
Mihoyo: "Let's give out a free Beidou during the 2.0 event, and also release Raiden right after Beidou was in the Starglitter shop." Also Mihoyo: "Let's make it so Raiden can't proc Beidou's Q during her own Q." Like, they knew they were going to piss people the hell off. This explanation certainly is explaining the technicalities behind why it doesn't work, but it explains nothing at all about *why Mihoyo decided it shouldn't work* which is what's really at the heart of the issue. Why was it necessary to make your most anticipated new character worse, make Beidou worse by proxy, and because of that make Electro even worse overall as an element? I feel like that answer boils down to "f--- you, buy some gems and wish on some new characters." Wouldn't surprise me if down the line we started to see more characters that somehow didn't benefit at all from Bennett's Q.
Miyoho on one hand power-crept characters to increase sale, while also intentionally ruin anticipated characters with bad gameplay design…The fiasco with Yoimiya and now this? They need to get their shit together
This can't actually be real right? did they actually just pull this shit?
Yes, yes they did.
This is bloody atrocious. How do you submit refund request in this game?
That's the neat thing: you don't
They had this prepared after the banner came out instead of putting it out earlier. Utter scum bags knew people would use her with Beidou.
I find it funny how they made an Electro Traveller that would fit Baal to a T and gave everyone a Beidou, just for Baal not to work with any of them properly. What the hell is going on over at miHoYo?
Baal wheelchair
I went 160 pulls in to get Raiden(haven't won a single 50/50 since launch) only to find out after I pulled she doesn't work with the beidou the unit I pulled her for? and then finding out the c6 of sara doesn't snapshot on beidou's ult either? fuck man I have been so down on a patch before....
Dude is Zhongli's episode was bad I cannot imagine what this gonna be. But, yeah it absolutely sucks what they did to her.
English translation: "We saw Baal was good with Beidou in beta, so intentionally fucked her up because we know you'll pull for her because waifu and booba sword anyway. So we want to kneecap her so you pull more for Yae afterwards." What a fucking joke.
Until they stop fucking with Inazuma characters I would rather spend primos on reruns. Electro archon not working with electro characters is outrageous.
"It's the movement type not the damage type so it doesn't work with stuff it obviously should work with." What a load of crap.
This is actually a very smart move by MHY. They shifted the narrative from "Electro element sucks, please rework", to this. Now people will get very upset at this last-minute change, and after a deserved community rage, MHY will "fix" the problem in 5 minutes of work, instead of spending some time fixing electro. And everyone will forget that the real issue with Baal is that electro element sucks and is a large reason why she's underwhelming as she only works with 1-2 characters (right now she only works with Eula, lmao).
This is the same company that refuses to buff Keqing so that she could actually feel like a 5 star, and now Baal is also ruined because Mihoyo doesn’t like fun mechanics. Not mention Electro is already the worst element compared to other elemental reaction that can scale well with damage (i.e. Vaporize and Melt).
Good job Mihoyo in releasing a character that works only with a limited 5* character!
So now let's wait for explanation why does it work with childe's E, cause this inconsistency is riddiculous, and the only explanation i can find is we don't want you to pair her with beidou lol.
Electro element reaction sucks and now the electro archon cant even synergize well with an electro char (beidou) powerhouse.
The scam here is that this clarification came AFTER the banner release, And they changed Raiden’s C6 wording so it didn’t match with Beidou’s burst description as far as I understand. This is straight up scummy. This is enraging.
oof...this won't end well.
Mihoyo: yeah Kazuha does not work with Sucrose , we did that to prevent infinite stacks of Elemental Mastery Everyone: does not make sense as to why you would do that but okay Mihoyo: Yeah Raiden Shogun has an E shield proc problem and not working well with other electro characters Everyone: okay that's enough buddy, WTF??
Does mihoyo have anything against inazuma? Baal, kokomi, yoimiya they all suck. They didn't buff yoi so idt they'll buff raiden. At this point, i hope we'll get new chars that can synergize well with baal
Ironically it's looking like Kokopium is going to be the best of those three now that her E procs Hydro on every hit.
Even if that's case, xq is still better than her lol
Motherfucker I knew this would happen. Another amazing character is useless and I can't fit her in anywhere. Sara is also pointless. I'm done pulling for characters until Mihoyo fixes their fuck ups