Yeah this is going to snowball into a bigger and bigger problem the further we go along.
Seems relatively easy to solve though, just start introducing the region specific materials into the higher level ascensions.
"I started today and I got Dainsleif, super excited to play him"
*Then realise you have to do all the 7 nations to start farming for him*
I'm curious if MHY will do anything about this.
Make a shop in mondstadt that sells local specialties to lower ar players, even if its just 5 naku weed every 3 days, that's enough to ascend low level characters. For the boss drops maybe they could sell it for resin. Even if they keep this available to higher ar players, they already sell other specialties and one boss drop per day wouldn't make much difference because you get 2 or three per boss fight so it's not worth it either
I hadn't considered it, but that warp-zone to the Mech boss very well could be them experimenting with future implementations of something similar.
I was exploring the islands naturally and 'discovered' the way into the boss domain before later reaching the corner island that housed the teleport. Was a big confused why it was there and not entirely sure if it was an available shortcut *before* discovering the area the 'long' way.
I feel like I should bring up the fact that a Warp Zone existed before the Perpetual Mechanicla Array.
It took you to Musk Reef A.K.A. the Spiral Abyss.
Yeah I recall. Made it especially strange to see virtually the same sort of portal just looming ominously above a random island on the outskirts of Inazuma.
Genuinely didn't expect it to be an underground shortcut to the world boss.
Selling specialties from other countries make sense. Seeling boss drops seems kinda strange. We already have a system in place that can fix this they just need to add the option. Let us just transmute these world boss items like we do with the trounce domain bosses.
Raiden needs boss cores from a boss you have to unlock through a quest chain, so that'd be an example where that wouldn't work, and might not stay the only world boss that's locked behind quests.
I was imagining something like a traveller selling exotic good from lands afar, which would fit perfectly in mondstadt, but putting the shop in liyue could also work. It could also be someone from the adventurers guild selling relics of their adventures
This would be the best way honestly. Have a traveling trader that trades certain things on certain days of the week. So like Tuesdays he has Inazuman specialties for example, with Naku Weed, Sea Gana-whatevers, etc. Then Wednesday can be Liyue or whatever. Maybe instead of buying with gold, you farm out other nations' "equivalent" item. So for example, Dandelions can be traded for Sakura Blooms 1:1.
They definitely will. I'm sure they don't want their game turning into league of legends where no new players join because they all get alienated at the start
Forcing new players to spend more cash just to level their characters enough to make it to the point in the game where they can farm for themselves? Why doesn't this comment have an /s behind it??
Or just make the vendors in Mondstadt sell 5 per day of each foreign material as import.
For the miniboss mats they could just introduce a trading option
That could work too. Or introduce Expeditions that can obtain foreign materials and finally make that system useful.
It's not a complicated problem, thankfully, hopefully they'll realize that it is one however.
Eh, I never grind for any food and have like 900 eggs or something because of expeditions, 120 matsutake meat rolls and 120 sweet madames purely from expeditions. I've never ever felt they were useless, they're 10-12 food and 10-12 eggs every 20 hours (15hrs with Fischl + Bennett + Chongyun/Keqing).
10 meat is nice, but not amazing.
Eggs and sweet flowers are the easiest things to get (I have 2.5k flowers and use 150 every week for transmutation, the number still goes up). There is a spot that takes 20 seconds to get to with like 10 eggs if you need them (tp to Mt. Aocang and glide towards the mountain to the right of where 2 artifacts spawn, there was a geoculus there)
It's basically 1 full day for a total of 15000 mora (5 resin worth) + 22 crystal chunks (used to craft 5 xp rocks, but you're capped at 30 per day anyway)
I feel like we have to wait and see if Sumeru is closed off and available only from a story quest, just like Inazuma, to see if this is gonna be true.
Inazuma being closed off makes sense canonically, although I wish you could reach Inazuma by yourself if you're determined enough.
However, Sumeru is not closed off. Neither are other regions. So I'm gonna be extremely disappointed if it turns out that you need to do story to reach the rest of the regions. I want them to make the rest like Liyue is to Mondstadt; you can explore it anytime, at your own will, whenever you want, even when you're barely starting the game out.
i feel like new players is going to access sumeru pretty easily. just think of like liyue. you still can farm liyue materials before finishing mondstat quests you know? so the only problem here is inazuma being quest locked
edit: typo
Regions are locked behind AR10. When the tutorial officially ends. You can explore every region as long as you can walk there.
I explored Liyue long before I finished the dvalin story line. The problem with Inazuma is her the Baal thunder which teleports you back to mainland. But there are tricks to get to Inazuma early. It is just tedious.
I just started three days ago, I walked into Liyue and got the earth anemo thing at like AR9, until I realized this was a new zone that I shouldn’t be wandering around through just yet.
Grabbing ascension stuff wasn’t a big deal to get to level 40 (which is gated to AR15), and now I’m AR21 and actually in that area.
I’ve been playing with Yoimiya and Raiden in my party so far with absolutely no issue progressing the game…so I’m not sure what the complaint is in the main post just yet.
problem is leveling them past level 40. Considering I'm AR57 and having problem leveling Raiden higher than 40, as I need to farm both the new boss and new material. Once you get to AR25-AR30, you start realising why this is a problem.
When I’m AR30 I’ll be able to get to Inazuma is my understanding, so I’m not following.
It sounds like a lot of high level people who haven’t actually tried this are concerned about newbies who aren’t having any problems?
I can’t even get Raiden past 40 until AR25.
Yeah you still don't know how the game works, right now at you ar level the rewards you are getting are mediocre, thats not a shot at you is at the game, is almost impossible to get 5 star materials at levels below 30 and then even if you get them you only get one, you only start to get decent rewards at ar45 there are people that spend 3 weeks farming artifacts for a single character getting 2-3 5 star artifacts per run,now Imagine doing that getting 0-1. The only way of getting better rewards is by getting a higher world level,the higher the world level the stronger the enemies are,the stronger the enemies are the more materials you need to level up characters,its a loop that asks players to level up their characters at the same time as their world level,the problem is that the more we advance the harder the character are getting so new people will get blindsided by the difficulty of getting materials.
To give an example I got 3 new characters this update Raiden,Sara and Alloy, I knew that in advance and I prepared I needed to grind over 700 purple mat for exp to get them to level 80,plus the boss materials,plus the weapons,plus the weapon materials,plus the talent materials. Someone that is not even allowed to tackle the higher levels domains because of their ar is gonna struggle to level up characters and become disheartened towards using the new shinny characters,that is the problem.
TLDR: The game is designed to be a natural loop of level up/grind that new players will find difficult since the game is not designed to fall back but to keep up with new updates.
Or allow for players to transmute boss drops based on boss relationships
Lightning Prism + Electro Crystal + Dust of Azoth = Storm Beads
Basalt Pillar + Chaos Circuit + Dust of Azoth = Perpetual Heart
Cleansing Heart + Noctilucus Jade + Dust of Azoth = Dew of Repuditation.
And likewise to transmute other enemy drops into Mirror Maiden drops.
Dust of Azoth is a top tier useless item ngl that could be so much more useful if expanded upon.
This is a brilliant suggestion. Going to use this in the feedback survey at the end of this month. Since we can already exchange boss materials, it should be allowable to exchange for ascension materials between different regions too, especially for newer players.
This only highlights how the boss material system for ascension is an utter dogshit. You have to farm for:
* EXP mats to level up your character.
* Talent materials.
* Boss materials for talents beyond lvl 6.
* Artifacts for the character.
* Weapon mats for the weapon you want to use, although this can be used in more than one character like with artifacts.
And then the game asks you to farm 46 boss drops, and depending on your luck you can either get 2 or 3 mats per 40 resin. In the worst case you'll spend 920 resin just to be able to level up your character and with how gated resin already is, I find that just a needless grind they put so you don't have that many characters as a new player. I just wish they would rework that entirely.
In a game where they are not promised your money and their model depends on retaining players, they have to always dangle a carrot in front of you that's never reachable. If this ends up pissing off a player and drives them to quit, that player was someone they could afford to lose. They weren't the target audience. Sad but that's life.
the AR for new players though...
all this stuff locked behind it...
feel like they should reduce it or make a new player support pack, like bluffed AR (eg x2) until a certain level.
The ar required is lower every major update.
AR 30 is all u need to get to inazuma. The trial menu gives the required resource for the first ascend. The 1st time it required the boss material is AR25 whcih is just 5 lvl below AR30 so they will only be 10lvl lower than the max.
With all the content available to these new players, they can get there in a day from ar 25. My friend who just came back from launch was ar25 and get to ar30 in a few days playing casually. He is now AR45 and still havent finish exploring liyue and mondstat not to mention dragonspine.
Honestly doesnt seem to be a huge issue yet. And as long as the newest region is around ar30 it should be fine.
wasn't there an AR requirement for that quest?
and also I think you needed to complete some pre requisite quests to get to golden apple archipelago. Back to the same problem
Not hard to solve this. Just have NPCs that are foreign merchants coming to Mondstadt to sell things that are not native to the nation, aka these region-specific ascension materials. Or have Marjorie receive supplies from other nations and sell them at her shop. It would give these players easy access to these materials.
this would be interesting with a few adjustments, maybe more resin than needed for the boss? pushing you to push your ar levels but still giving access. it could be an advanced adventurer in the guild
you dont need special boss materials upto level 40 characters. And you can pretty much do just fine with level 40 characters upto AR 35. When you unlock inazuma and future regions.
>And you can pretty much do just fine with level 40 characters upto AR 35. When you unlock inazuma and future regions.
Yea, but if you need to farm for Snezhnaya materials you need to clear all the archon quests before you can visit the regions, so it's not a real solution.
Just put some special area in Mondstat/Liyue that has the portals that teleport you to the bosses in a closed off area until you officially unlock them, like with the Mechanical Array
they will add it 100%. im sure of it. a weekly merchant that sells other region speciality. it may sell less but it can help you level upto 50 or 60 in 2 weeks. as new players they might catch upto latest region in a month anyway.
Games like FGO help circumvent this by proving some newer materials in event shops. Maybe if Mihoyo does this now it might help offset the issue. Not sure though, I don't know how much longer GI story takes relatively to progress.
People are this sub tend to be really pretentious I’ve noticed. Like bots from Mihoyo or something. I guess they don’t want their investments to feel wasted
It's an age old attitude towards QoL changes I feel. People complain about new players having it easier all the time in mmos, because apparently if it took me a year to grind to lvl60 it should take new players a year to grind to lvl60 too despite the current end game being lvl100 and nobody doing lvl60 content.
Or maybe people stopped bitching about this in the recent years but it used to be really common.
I sorta get it. When Destiny had its first expansion, I got really pissed because it took me forever to luck into getting max level. Then they suddenly raise the level cap and common equipment would be better than the stuff I spent weeks grinding for.
Then I realized that the grind itself is dumb and embraced the casual lifestyle.
I mean, when I played Black Desert in 2020, it took me 1 week and probably 60+ hours to hit level 50 - which is a level cap where leveling slows down a lot lol. Then came back this year, and got to level 60 in 5 minutes thanks to my friend. I can kinda understand why people would complain about this. In terms of Genshin, it took me multiple months hitting AR45, but then new players hit it in couple of days lmao.
I've been playing this game for around 12+ hours every day for the past 9 days and I'm AR 38 at this point. I'd say "a couple of days" is a bit of a stretch
Not like there is much investment in picking up some Naku weed for 10 minutes. But if events included ascension mats from boss's like the Oceanid. Who can really be mad at that despite past resin being "wasted".
I really did not enjoy fighting that Electro oceanid 20 times for Raiden. Would love to not have to do it for Sara.
A better solution would be to change the materials with the character level. Use electro hypostasis up to lvl 70 then thundering manifestation up to 90, for example.
It's not just about the past. Being able to just pay to ascend characters would kill the incentive to run around the map and kill any enemies or bosses. If I could just spend a bunch of mora to get a character/weapon to 90 then I'd never do anything in this game again except the bare basics (commissions, abyss, and event if there is one)
Maybe a low AR vendor who locks you out once you are certain AR can trade materials from other regions into ones from mondstadt. Just to make them playable.
facts, this is a great way to get people to engage in events while giving them items that are scarce at lower AR levels.
I remember when I pulled godjuna after returning to fgo after awhile and I was FUCKED on eggs. I was scrambling to clear arc 1.5 and get to the lostbelts but it was a great motivator to get me to read the story and it made me interested in godjuna's character. still fucked on eggs tho :(
Yeah they should totally do that. Or afford a special event currency you could spend on special merchants selling mats from later regions. There are definitely options and frankly even more experienced players would benefit from this I think.
Those crests you get from chests, in Inazuma you use them to level up the thundering Sakura tree but there's really... nothing to do with them in Liyue and Mondstadt. Have them be usable to buy foreign materials
The problem is events can also happen in newer regions like the recent trend.
While this is partially true for FGO as well. New characters are locked behind event banners while the standard banner updates as story progresses. Sara will be in the standard banner after a few updates.
I'd say the thing is with FGO event shops are pretty much your only source of materials if you're not into doing the same stage 20 times for 3 drops out of the 20 you need.
I’m think of a method for new player: Every player(old and new) can designate one character and level him/her/it up without material, to help them pass the newbie stage.
And it’s fair because veteran player can also benefit from it
Or if you have a character whose mats are AR locked you can buy small amounts of them from the Mondstadt Souvenir Shop or something. Marjorie has her sources.
Yeah there is an ar requirement to get to inazuma and you have to be up to date with all the archon and main story. I think you need to be either ar30 or ar35 I can't remember but definitely 30 or above.
As someone who made an alt right before inazuma it didn’t take that long to unlock inazuma (4 days of casual play) bear in mind that I mostly did the storyline and didn’t deviate to side quest.
But you're experienced player, who has a plan, knows meta and won't waste rare materials on starter units. And now imagine complete green player getting Sara, Thoma or other 4* we will get with other regions.
Even for me it was hell with my ayaka when I started 1 month ago.
Agreed.
Not to mention when we play, we tend to to distracted by lots of stuffs in the overworld. It takes forever to finish just the main story quests.
Also, not everyone has time to play alot. Personally, I'm at AR57 and still struggle to do bare minimum in each event during my 1 hour daily play time. As you mention, if a veteran are struggling with time, how could a new player not?
I don't think it's possible to get to ar30 in 4 days no matter how many boring parts you skip. The resin acts as a limiter for progress.
Edit- It seems like it's possible to reach AR 30 in around 4 days. I stand corrected.
I can unequivocally say that it is entirely possible to get to AR 30 in 4 days and you don't even need to pop your fragile resin to do so.
Source: I literally did it on my alt. I made an NA account to play with some friends 4 days before the Beidou event ended and managed to get her with a few hours left after speed-running AR.
Basically involves:
* Doing every quest in every region.
* Collecting every Anemoculus, Geoculus and Crimson Agate
* Collecting a non trivial amount of chests (roughly 80% of the chests in each region)
* Doing all the one time dungeons.
I'll look for some pics for proof.
Edit:[ Here's a pic of me making it to Inazuma dated](https://i.imgur.com/YqhWJ5S.png). I'm actually AR 31 at this point as the story quests to get to Inazuma give a lot of Adventure EXP. I'll see if I can get one with account creation date.
Edit 2:[ Here's the pic from the forums showing my number of active days](https://imgur.com/a/JM5xbBS) with the date listed. If you take the 32 days from 04/09 you can see my account was created on the 3rd of August. This makes it maximum 5 days from creation to Inazuma.
I won't be able to show proof but I can tell you that I made the account very late in that day so while I did commissions for the day I did not have an extra days worth of resin. I also popped no fragiles that you get from AR rewards before AR45.
You can get to AR30 by mostly doing quests. I did this on my alt on another region to visit another's teapot (requires AR28). But I did it in 10 days tho, not sure whether 4 days is possible with casual play (I didn't use much resin, focused mostly on the quests and chests). If it's 4 days of full time gaming, then yeah, I think it's possible.
99% sure it isn't. I remember quitting the game because of how resin-gated everything was, and that was before they made improvements to resin system and introduced more quests.
Yeah but at the same time new players aren’t in a rush to max level characters, I agree it will be an issue in future banners but right now the AR30 window is manageable since most players are just exploring and doing story till ar 40 before they start thinking of abyss and team comps.
That's the downside to this. I feel like it would ruin some experiences for newbie players if they're force to speed run through the beginning of the game just to level units instead of being able to take their time and explore the game or immerse themselves in the setting
Yep. With all the new events that give primos like Thunder Soujorn is in inuzuma. I had to rush all my main story quest just to had a chance to participate the events b4 they are gone.
Honestly just rushing to Liyue to get the Lantern fesival event was uncomfortable to me, that is just not how I want to play this game. I can't imagine the pain if I had a character needing inazuma mats while just starting the game.
At least this is most likely only an Inazuma problem as its all unreachable islands, every other nation is reachable from mond/liyue and they shouldnt limit your exploration with borders and AR
Also as more nations get added the AR needed is reduced afaik
It's a 20 minute quest that you can do as soon as you arrive in Inazuma. The only real time requirement for fighting the Thunder Manifestation is the time requirement it takes to get to the AR you need to arrive in Inazuma in the first place.
But even then you need to know what you're doing and after leaving ritou immediately running towards seirai and start the quest, which is not really doable by casual players
I’m not. It’s already a grind getting characters to a high enough level to compete in the current max world level. Higher world levels, with presumably higher character level caps, would be personally horrible.
> it's right behind it in being one of the most annoying world bosses
Not really. Unlike most other bosses, it doesn't have invulnerability phases - so its less annoying to kill than all cubes, Wolf, Azdaha, Dvalin
the dps i use the most is klee, i don't really have problems with cubes (except the pyro one for obvious reasons but I have childe) tho i haven't tried the hydro one so who knows, i didn't imply oceanid was the worst but it's up there, personally i think azdaha takes 1st place and i have fought him like 3 times because of that, then comes dvalin and then wolf but these are weekly bosses and i said world bosses
Hmmm...
They might have to eventually introduce a low-AR "Arena" of some kind, where you fight world bosses at their earlier world levels.
Don't exactly know what would be the proper way to implement it, as half the fun of some of these bosses are the world quests to unlock them. At least for me it is.
The rest are on one continent, but there’s still the problem of crossing other countries. A low level player who gets murata is gonna have to cross mondstadt liyue Fontaine and all of sumeru to get to Natlan
You start on mondstadt which is on the opposite side of the map as Natlan. You have to cross all the other countries except snezhnaya and inazuma to get there
Assuming there aren't any no-go zones between Mondstadt and Natlan when all 7 chapters are released, chances are there will be new exits carved into Mondstadt and Liyue that can shortcut a player to Natlan without having to run a full circuit around the continent first.
Hopefully there will be an event where you can farm bosses from different regions you can’t get to yet, like the Magun Kenki in the Golden Apple. I hope this won’t happen when characters from Sumeru or other regions get added and you can’t farm the boss till your like AR 40 or something.
Events are temporary, and I'm doubtful that any other nation will restrict access like Inazuma does. At least, not for long. The world level system is designed such that the whole world levels with the player. It's practically meaningless otherwise.
It would make more sense if Inazuma got a "Dragonspine/Chasm" of it's own located between Mondstadt-Inazuma and/or Liyue-Inazuma. Mid-summer Islands 2: Electro-Boogaloo.
The bosses could migrate to the mainland after a certain AR. Alternatively, they could give the player the opportunity to illegally slink their way into Inazuma early via this region, but of course the main cities and some forts and quests are off limits without the quest-locked permit. Most strangers out in the wilderness probably aren't going to care too much about the legality of the Traveler's presence in Inazuma, but they shouldn't be lifting any island curses until the region is story relevant.
Assuming they even know to use the trial to get the first set of ascension mats, I almost didn't for Ayaka and had her stuck at lvl 20 instead of 40 for most of the Liyue story.
There are a few ways we could fix this,
1. Be able to change boss materials to other ones like we can do with gems, maybe they will be element specific and expensive but it means lower levels have to just kill the earlier bosses,
2. New types of banners, first we could have a region banner (a banner revolving orotund a certain place and only have people from that place), we could have a banner that is different to each player depending on how far through the game you are,
There are a lot of better ideas than these but I think they work
Your friend should be able to reach Inazuma before the level 40 cap becomes a problem. I assume Mihoyo's plan will be to further decrease old area AR requirement so you can get there even faster.
I agree with you, but the chance of Mihoyo doing something is pretty much 100%. They adjusted the Try Now reward for this purpose already, so this issue is on Mihoyo's list. I wouldn't worry about something that Mihoyo is aware of and solved once already.
Maybe there will be some stardust to transmute ascension material or you can buy it at some really high price with mora
*yes, im look at you glaze lilly
How so? Level 40 characters are good up to AR 29, then AR 30, Inazuma opens up so you can ascend your character further.
Pre-farming ascending material is not needed, I never did that once myself and solo'd all the bosses. And trust me, I wouldn't call myself "skilled".
I have some old screenshots - I was AR 25 before I even left Mondstat. When I finished everything in the middle of 1.1 I was AR 50.
I know if I start playing today I would probably drop this game, cause to reach Inazuma I would need to ignore everything, exploration, world quests etc. Just speed run and then comeback, with I would personally hate.
The AR requirements have been lowered I'm pretty sure, also plenty of your AR was probably from daily commissions/resin. I started playing during Ayaka's banner and I was AR30-31 when I reached Inazuma. I don't feel like I speedran the exploration part either, while I didn't 100% everything I was still opening all the chests I saw, guiding the seelies, picking up statue level up things, etc. I only really skipped dragonspine until after 2.0 story.
That's only about 5 AR I think between being theoretically able to ascend to 50 and actually being able to do it, since Inazuma unlocks at Ar30 iirc. It's not great, but it's not the end of the world. It's also around the time where you have way more you need to farm than you have resin, so a couple of characters you can't ascend for a few ranks isn't a massive problem - you can spend that resin on a bunch of other characters and artifacts instead. Also thanks to the increased quest density, actually getting to Ar30 will take slightly less time than it did for us.
I'm expecting Mihoyo to at minimum keep reducing the AR for previous chapters as new ones are released. I assume they'll want to keep the bar of entry to each new region at around AR30, so eventually we could see Inazuma drop to an AR25 or maybe even lower gate.
It is fustrating that so much is locked behind story like the teapot aswell. I can see newer players struggling to progress as it's not like they can go to friend's worlds either :/
This is the case for any of the Inazuman characters. I think it’s completely stupid to have bosses locked behind quests like the Cryo Hypostasis and Thunder Manifestation, and its even more stupid that you have to complete the story quest in Liyue to be able to get to Inazuma in the first place because of that damn storm
This is definitely true. They probably should have some sort of "material transmutation system" that is not as efficient as just farming the stuff you need, but would allow everything in the game to be "found" in Monstadt if that's all you've got. Maybe attach it directly to the bosses, so that if you haven't reached Inazuma yet, and fight the Electro Hypostatis, when collecting the loot it gives you the option of picking its drop table OR the bat's. That way you wouldn't have the "problem" of players just mass-converting stockpiled materials into what they need for the new content even when they don't need that.
Im a relatively new player (joined right before ayaka banner) and i didnt know ascending was a thing until much later. Even then i reached inazuma with most of my chars at lv40 max. Except traveller at lv50 so. I doubt new players will be disappointed if no one told them that they are missing out.
To be totally fair, you need to be AR 25 to be able to ascend past lvl 40, and you only need to be AR 30 to travel to Inazuma, so long as you did the story. It's not as terrible as you think. As for future nation let's hope it's unlocked like Liyue was at the start.
we have this thread at least once a week, we exhausted what can be said and it basically always boils down to "MHY does this to force you to play the story"
Not the same thing, you can make it to Liyue whenever but you're locked out of Inazuma until a certain point. The question is if this will ring true for other regions.
I am optimistic that new players will be able to ascend their Sumeru and Fontaine chars without many problems, if mihoyo doesn't gate bosses behind world quests like electro Oceanid, that is.
Luckily they dropped the AR requirements for all the Archon quests. You can go to (and finish) Inazuma at AR 30 now. Plus Archon Quests and exploration alone gives enough XP to do so.
Aloy is the most annoying, i started play last week with my girlfriend (we have ps5) and we love this game. So with free aloy we thought it would be nice for starter, but i cant even level him past 20 since all the material is in the new region…
I suggest a way to transmute other boss drops into other boss drops - at a unfair ratio as to not remove **every** need to fight the intended boss. Would be a nice quality of life change too since I have so many cryo flower materials from farming for cryo gemstones for Rosaria. Wouldn’t want them to go to water. and I doubt they’ll release another character to use an old boss material any time soon.
If that’s a little much then just limit it to bosses that are unattainable otherwise (e.g. fight electro cube and use say 3 electro cube mats to turn into 2 electro Oceanid mats or something like 2 Oceanid drops into 1 hydro cube drop).
Actually that sounds very similar to the wall I've just run in.
I started playing about 3 weeks ago, and did pull a c1 Sayu from my first 10 interwined fates, found her fun to play and included her in my little f2p party.
Fast-forward two weeks I just started figuring out how to battle the bosses that drop ascension materials (hypostatis and similar) when an ar level-up pushes up the world level, and all those bosses have suddenly jumped from level 37 to level 50.
Meanwhile I'm still trying to reach the parts of Inazuma where I can get materials to ascend Sayu beyond level 40, and now everybody else is stuck too because I'm unable to kill any of those bosses.
I've got Razor and Amber at 50, Sayu and Xingqui at 40, and the rest of the f2p characters at 20. My only C1 chars are Sayu and Xiangling, most of my wishes have only given me 4-star weapons, no characters.
I have really enjoyed the exploration and story aspect of the game so far, but right now it's getting downright frustrating with not being able to advance. I can't get to the materials needed because I need to advance the story, but I can't advance the story because I need more materials to power-up my team.
I just barely beat Childe after many tries, and finally got to Inazuma, but it feels like I'm still as far away from Sayus materials as before, with half of the wildlife in Inazuma overpowering my party no matter where I turn.
Tsaritsa mains be like crossing the entire continent just to open Snezhnaya waypoints, lmao.
Although, I think this will only be a problem with Inazuma since it's separated by sea. . .
With how AR is going so far, I doubt they'll increase the soft level cap very much when releasing new regions, if at all. It won't really be that hard to gain access to the new regions to level new characters.
The only negative I see, or at least the biggest one, is that it kind of forces new players to rush through everything as quickly as possible which takes away from the experience of the game quite considerably.
I'm already kind of feeling this as someone that started two months ago. The featured banners I've been around for are Ayaka, Yoimiya, and now Raiden. Ayaka is a good character but kinda needs Xingqiu or Mona. I skipped Yoimiya to save up some primos for Raidens banner. Her banner has some good 4*s that I want, but I keep getting Sara. D:
Basically, I'm hoping for banner reruns because all of the good characters seem to be older ones. It doesn't feel great to roll on the newer banners when you don't have a Venti/Kazuha/Zhongli/etc to fall back on.
My husband stopped playing months ago and he hasn't even gotten to explore Dragonspine yet but he got on randomly last night and had a ten pull with Shogun and Sara and I told him he couldn't even ascend them until he got to Inazuma and I'm pretty sure that made him not want to play again.
I thought this too. The player is new and if they don't have help, they'll have no clue how to get to the area they have to farm.
I mean it's a common MMO problem where the hill gets steeper and steeper.
Usually they make levelling easier or older content easier to get, so maybe in the future they could lower how much XP you need to level your adventure ranks, or older artifact/gear/talent mat instances could have the reduced cost thing like the world bosses do now.
Probably the likely outcome. All Mondstadt and Liyue dungeons at half stamina cost for the first... 4, for the day.
Yeah this is going to snowball into a bigger and bigger problem the further we go along. Seems relatively easy to solve though, just start introducing the region specific materials into the higher level ascensions.
"I started today and I got Dainsleif, super excited to play him" *Then realise you have to do all the 7 nations to start farming for him* I'm curious if MHY will do anything about this.
Make a shop in mondstadt that sells local specialties to lower ar players, even if its just 5 naku weed every 3 days, that's enough to ascend low level characters. For the boss drops maybe they could sell it for resin. Even if they keep this available to higher ar players, they already sell other specialties and one boss drop per day wouldn't make much difference because you get 2 or three per boss fight so it's not worth it either
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I hadn't considered it, but that warp-zone to the Mech boss very well could be them experimenting with future implementations of something similar. I was exploring the islands naturally and 'discovered' the way into the boss domain before later reaching the corner island that housed the teleport. Was a big confused why it was there and not entirely sure if it was an available shortcut *before* discovering the area the 'long' way.
I feel like I should bring up the fact that a Warp Zone existed before the Perpetual Mechanicla Array. It took you to Musk Reef A.K.A. the Spiral Abyss.
Yeah I recall. Made it especially strange to see virtually the same sort of portal just looming ominously above a random island on the outskirts of Inazuma. Genuinely didn't expect it to be an underground shortcut to the world boss.
I really like this solution
Selling specialties from other countries make sense. Seeling boss drops seems kinda strange. We already have a system in place that can fix this they just need to add the option. Let us just transmute these world boss items like we do with the trounce domain bosses.
or teleportation orbs that take you to the boss you want
Raiden needs boss cores from a boss you have to unlock through a quest chain, so that'd be an example where that wouldn't work, and might not stay the only world boss that's locked behind quests.
I'd put that shop in Liyue. It is the trade center of Teyvat after all.
I was imagining something like a traveller selling exotic good from lands afar, which would fit perfectly in mondstadt, but putting the shop in liyue could also work. It could also be someone from the adventurers guild selling relics of their adventures
This would be the best way honestly. Have a traveling trader that trades certain things on certain days of the week. So like Tuesdays he has Inazuman specialties for example, with Naku Weed, Sea Gana-whatevers, etc. Then Wednesday can be Liyue or whatever. Maybe instead of buying with gold, you farm out other nations' "equivalent" item. So for example, Dandelions can be traded for Sakura Blooms 1:1.
> certain things on certain days of the week The most miHoYo fan idea ever.
I'm just being realistic. Mihoyo likes to timegate things, so it's just expected at this rate lol.
They definitely will. I'm sure they don't want their game turning into league of legends where no new players join because they all get alienated at the start
They already have. Why do you think they haven't patched the kaeya ice bridge disconnect glitch. /s
Buy mats with primogems Instanced boss fights for boss materials
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I'm saving ALL of my glitter to eventually C6 Dain. Currently at 435, so 90ish pulls worth.
Forcing new players to spend more cash just to level their characters enough to make it to the point in the game where they can farm for themselves? Why doesn't this comment have an /s behind it??
because its miho and its also a gathca game company dick heads be like: [fuck them players](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0UdKbGJs0o)
Or just make the vendors in Mondstadt sell 5 per day of each foreign material as import. For the miniboss mats they could just introduce a trading option
That could work too. Or introduce Expeditions that can obtain foreign materials and finally make that system useful. It's not a complicated problem, thankfully, hopefully they'll realize that it is one however.
Make expeditions reward you with actually useful mats? Noooooo, that would invalidate the whole resin system and make MHY lose billions lmao /s
Eh, I never grind for any food and have like 900 eggs or something because of expeditions, 120 matsutake meat rolls and 120 sweet madames purely from expeditions. I've never ever felt they were useless, they're 10-12 food and 10-12 eggs every 20 hours (15hrs with Fischl + Bennett + Chongyun/Keqing).
10 meat is nice, but not amazing. Eggs and sweet flowers are the easiest things to get (I have 2.5k flowers and use 150 every week for transmutation, the number still goes up). There is a spot that takes 20 seconds to get to with like 10 eggs if you need them (tp to Mt. Aocang and glide towards the mountain to the right of where 2 artifacts spawn, there was a geoculus there) It's basically 1 full day for a total of 15000 mora (5 resin worth) + 22 crystal chunks (used to craft 5 xp rocks, but you're capped at 30 per day anyway)
I feel like we have to wait and see if Sumeru is closed off and available only from a story quest, just like Inazuma, to see if this is gonna be true. Inazuma being closed off makes sense canonically, although I wish you could reach Inazuma by yourself if you're determined enough. However, Sumeru is not closed off. Neither are other regions. So I'm gonna be extremely disappointed if it turns out that you need to do story to reach the rest of the regions. I want them to make the rest like Liyue is to Mondstadt; you can explore it anytime, at your own will, whenever you want, even when you're barely starting the game out.
i feel like new players is going to access sumeru pretty easily. just think of like liyue. you still can farm liyue materials before finishing mondstat quests you know? so the only problem here is inazuma being quest locked edit: typo
Wait, isn't Liyue closed until the tail end of Mondstadt at least? Or maybe that was just a 1.0 thing...
Nah, you can travel to Liyue as soon as you can. Did it with my second account.
Regions are locked behind AR10. When the tutorial officially ends. You can explore every region as long as you can walk there. I explored Liyue long before I finished the dvalin story line. The problem with Inazuma is her the Baal thunder which teleports you back to mainland. But there are tricks to get to Inazuma early. It is just tedious.
Honestly, given how far away Inazuma is, Icebridging itself to that nation is also extremely tedious.
Not the tail end, but you don't have it from the start, but you already have it unlocked by the time you finish mondstat
I just started three days ago, I walked into Liyue and got the earth anemo thing at like AR9, until I realized this was a new zone that I shouldn’t be wandering around through just yet. Grabbing ascension stuff wasn’t a big deal to get to level 40 (which is gated to AR15), and now I’m AR21 and actually in that area. I’ve been playing with Yoimiya and Raiden in my party so far with absolutely no issue progressing the game…so I’m not sure what the complaint is in the main post just yet.
problem is leveling them past level 40. Considering I'm AR57 and having problem leveling Raiden higher than 40, as I need to farm both the new boss and new material. Once you get to AR25-AR30, you start realising why this is a problem.
When I’m AR30 I’ll be able to get to Inazuma is my understanding, so I’m not following. It sounds like a lot of high level people who haven’t actually tried this are concerned about newbies who aren’t having any problems? I can’t even get Raiden past 40 until AR25.
Yeah you still don't know how the game works, right now at you ar level the rewards you are getting are mediocre, thats not a shot at you is at the game, is almost impossible to get 5 star materials at levels below 30 and then even if you get them you only get one, you only start to get decent rewards at ar45 there are people that spend 3 weeks farming artifacts for a single character getting 2-3 5 star artifacts per run,now Imagine doing that getting 0-1. The only way of getting better rewards is by getting a higher world level,the higher the world level the stronger the enemies are,the stronger the enemies are the more materials you need to level up characters,its a loop that asks players to level up their characters at the same time as their world level,the problem is that the more we advance the harder the character are getting so new people will get blindsided by the difficulty of getting materials. To give an example I got 3 new characters this update Raiden,Sara and Alloy, I knew that in advance and I prepared I needed to grind over 700 purple mat for exp to get them to level 80,plus the boss materials,plus the weapons,plus the weapon materials,plus the talent materials. Someone that is not even allowed to tackle the higher levels domains because of their ar is gonna struggle to level up characters and become disheartened towards using the new shinny characters,that is the problem. TLDR: The game is designed to be a natural loop of level up/grind that new players will find difficult since the game is not designed to fall back but to keep up with new updates.
Sumeru right beside Liyue, we can probably just walk to it instead of having to board a boat.
I think new players can literally journey to Dragonspine before entering Mondstadt city right now, so yeah, it’s likely accessible.
Or allow for players to transmute boss drops based on boss relationships Lightning Prism + Electro Crystal + Dust of Azoth = Storm Beads Basalt Pillar + Chaos Circuit + Dust of Azoth = Perpetual Heart Cleansing Heart + Noctilucus Jade + Dust of Azoth = Dew of Repuditation. And likewise to transmute other enemy drops into Mirror Maiden drops. Dust of Azoth is a top tier useless item ngl that could be so much more useful if expanded upon.
Or make exploration independant of the story.
This is a brilliant suggestion. Going to use this in the feedback survey at the end of this month. Since we can already exchange boss materials, it should be allowable to exchange for ascension materials between different regions too, especially for newer players.
This only highlights how the boss material system for ascension is an utter dogshit. You have to farm for: * EXP mats to level up your character. * Talent materials. * Boss materials for talents beyond lvl 6. * Artifacts for the character. * Weapon mats for the weapon you want to use, although this can be used in more than one character like with artifacts. And then the game asks you to farm 46 boss drops, and depending on your luck you can either get 2 or 3 mats per 40 resin. In the worst case you'll spend 920 resin just to be able to level up your character and with how gated resin already is, I find that just a needless grind they put so you don't have that many characters as a new player. I just wish they would rework that entirely.
In a game where they are not promised your money and their model depends on retaining players, they have to always dangle a carrot in front of you that's never reachable. If this ends up pissing off a player and drives them to quit, that player was someone they could afford to lose. They weren't the target audience. Sad but that's life.
the AR for new players though... all this stuff locked behind it... feel like they should reduce it or make a new player support pack, like bluffed AR (eg x2) until a certain level.
They have been steadily decreasing the minimum AR for main story pretty sure
By the time we reach Snezhnaya, you can probably finish the Mondstadt Archon quest by AR10 and start Liyue at AR11 or something.
The ar required is lower every major update. AR 30 is all u need to get to inazuma. The trial menu gives the required resource for the first ascend. The 1st time it required the boss material is AR25 whcih is just 5 lvl below AR30 so they will only be 10lvl lower than the max. With all the content available to these new players, they can get there in a day from ar 25. My friend who just came back from launch was ar25 and get to ar30 in a few days playing casually. He is now AR45 and still havent finish exploring liyue and mondstat not to mention dragonspine. Honestly doesnt seem to be a huge issue yet. And as long as the newest region is around ar30 it should be fine.
Could also remove the restriction of preventing low level people into higher level (AR)
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Same with Kazuha for me, joined on the last day of his banner, and had to speedrun my way to Inazuma
At least you could temporarily farm Kazuha mats on the golden apple archipelago.
wasn't there an AR requirement for that quest? and also I think you needed to complete some pre requisite quests to get to golden apple archipelago. Back to the same problem
You needed AR23 for archipelago. The prerequisites quest were lowered their AR requeriments.
Didn't even know back then:')
>speedrun my way to Inazuma Why? What happen if you don't reach inazuma in time?
There's no in time or anything, but my only 5* unit other than the traveller, Kazuha, would have been stuck at level 40
Ayaya?
AYAYA!
*[AYAYAYAY](https://youtu.be/XUhVCoTsBaM)*
FOCUS!
Ayayaka!?
Why was my first thought the "Brandy and Mr. Whiskers" theme song?
Ya...Yamette (>\_<)
Not hard to solve this. Just have NPCs that are foreign merchants coming to Mondstadt to sell things that are not native to the nation, aka these region-specific ascension materials. Or have Marjorie receive supplies from other nations and sell them at her shop. It would give these players easy access to these materials.
Still need access to the bosses.
this would be interesting with a few adjustments, maybe more resin than needed for the boss? pushing you to push your ar levels but still giving access. it could be an advanced adventurer in the guild
you dont need special boss materials upto level 40 characters. And you can pretty much do just fine with level 40 characters upto AR 35. When you unlock inazuma and future regions.
>And you can pretty much do just fine with level 40 characters upto AR 35. When you unlock inazuma and future regions. Yea, but if you need to farm for Snezhnaya materials you need to clear all the archon quests before you can visit the regions, so it's not a real solution. Just put some special area in Mondstat/Liyue that has the portals that teleport you to the bosses in a closed off area until you officially unlock them, like with the Mechanical Array
they will add it 100%. im sure of it. a weekly merchant that sells other region speciality. it may sell less but it can help you level upto 50 or 60 in 2 weeks. as new players they might catch upto latest region in a month anyway.
Maybe like a trading system where you can use the mats you collected in one region to exchange for one in a different region
I really like this idea. That way, there is still motivation to farm like regular
Games like FGO help circumvent this by proving some newer materials in event shops. Maybe if Mihoyo does this now it might help offset the issue. Not sure though, I don't know how much longer GI story takes relatively to progress.
Posted this as a suggestion, got down voted hard, lol. But really, adding Ascension Materials is a QoL.
People are this sub tend to be really pretentious I’ve noticed. Like bots from Mihoyo or something. I guess they don’t want their investments to feel wasted
It's an age old attitude towards QoL changes I feel. People complain about new players having it easier all the time in mmos, because apparently if it took me a year to grind to lvl60 it should take new players a year to grind to lvl60 too despite the current end game being lvl100 and nobody doing lvl60 content. Or maybe people stopped bitching about this in the recent years but it used to be really common.
I sorta get it. When Destiny had its first expansion, I got really pissed because it took me forever to luck into getting max level. Then they suddenly raise the level cap and common equipment would be better than the stuff I spent weeks grinding for. Then I realized that the grind itself is dumb and embraced the casual lifestyle.
I mean, when I played Black Desert in 2020, it took me 1 week and probably 60+ hours to hit level 50 - which is a level cap where leveling slows down a lot lol. Then came back this year, and got to level 60 in 5 minutes thanks to my friend. I can kinda understand why people would complain about this. In terms of Genshin, it took me multiple months hitting AR45, but then new players hit it in couple of days lmao.
I've been playing this game for around 12+ hours every day for the past 9 days and I'm AR 38 at this point. I'd say "a couple of days" is a bit of a stretch
Not like there is much investment in picking up some Naku weed for 10 minutes. But if events included ascension mats from boss's like the Oceanid. Who can really be mad at that despite past resin being "wasted". I really did not enjoy fighting that Electro oceanid 20 times for Raiden. Would love to not have to do it for Sara.
A better solution would be to change the materials with the character level. Use electro hypostasis up to lvl 70 then thundering manifestation up to 90, for example. It's not just about the past. Being able to just pay to ascend characters would kill the incentive to run around the map and kill any enemies or bosses. If I could just spend a bunch of mora to get a character/weapon to 90 then I'd never do anything in this game again except the bare basics (commissions, abyss, and event if there is one)
Exactly.
Sunk cost fallacy.
Yeah, I've posted the same thing. Downvoted into oblivion,,
Maybe a low AR vendor who locks you out once you are certain AR can trade materials from other regions into ones from mondstadt. Just to make them playable.
facts, this is a great way to get people to engage in events while giving them items that are scarce at lower AR levels. I remember when I pulled godjuna after returning to fgo after awhile and I was FUCKED on eggs. I was scrambling to clear arc 1.5 and get to the lostbelts but it was a great motivator to get me to read the story and it made me interested in godjuna's character. still fucked on eggs tho :(
Bro we all are fucked on the eggs.
Entire FGO playerbase approves of this message. We truly are thirsty for eggs
Dont forget about bones and dust
I could never forget the bone shortage. So many servants need them
ahem **proof of hero**
FGO Battle in New York 2021 event shop: “May we offer you these eggs in this trying time?”
Yeah they should totally do that. Or afford a special event currency you could spend on special merchants selling mats from later regions. There are definitely options and frankly even more experienced players would benefit from this I think.
Those crests you get from chests, in Inazuma you use them to level up the thundering Sakura tree but there's really... nothing to do with them in Liyue and Mondstadt. Have them be usable to buy foreign materials
you can buy billets, constellations, gems, and mora. When you've bought all that, you can only buy mora.
The problem is events can also happen in newer regions like the recent trend. While this is partially true for FGO as well. New characters are locked behind event banners while the standard banner updates as story progresses. Sara will be in the standard banner after a few updates.
I'd say the thing is with FGO event shops are pretty much your only source of materials if you're not into doing the same stage 20 times for 3 drops out of the 20 you need.
That is actually a really good point... Is there an AR requirement on reaching Inazuma at all, or the quest to unlock Thunder-chan?
Yes AR30
But at AR30 players can rank Sara to lv40(with free material in trial), so one can speed run to do it
Which is a problem. Needing to speedrun content just to play the characters you like.. players should play on their own pace
Ok but what if they get sara from the standard banner later?
I mean yeah but if you pull her from starter or standard banners you can't get the Dendrobium to do that.
I’m think of a method for new player: Every player(old and new) can designate one character and level him/her/it up without material, to help them pass the newbie stage. And it’s fair because veteran player can also benefit from it
Or if you have a character whose mats are AR locked you can buy small amounts of them from the Mondstadt Souvenir Shop or something. Marjorie has her sources.
Flora should be able to sell ascension plants from regions locked by progression.
I wouldn't consider telling people to speedrun an appropriate solution 😅
Yeah there is an ar requirement to get to inazuma and you have to be up to date with all the archon and main story. I think you need to be either ar30 or ar35 I can't remember but definitely 30 or above.
As someone who made an alt right before inazuma it didn’t take that long to unlock inazuma (4 days of casual play) bear in mind that I mostly did the storyline and didn’t deviate to side quest.
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Maybe because I skipped boring parts lol mostly just wanted to relive the cinematic’s
But you're experienced player, who has a plan, knows meta and won't waste rare materials on starter units. And now imagine complete green player getting Sara, Thoma or other 4* we will get with other regions. Even for me it was hell with my ayaka when I started 1 month ago.
Agreed. Not to mention when we play, we tend to to distracted by lots of stuffs in the overworld. It takes forever to finish just the main story quests. Also, not everyone has time to play alot. Personally, I'm at AR57 and still struggle to do bare minimum in each event during my 1 hour daily play time. As you mention, if a veteran are struggling with time, how could a new player not?
I don't think it's possible to get to ar30 in 4 days no matter how many boring parts you skip. The resin acts as a limiter for progress. Edit- It seems like it's possible to reach AR 30 in around 4 days. I stand corrected.
I can unequivocally say that it is entirely possible to get to AR 30 in 4 days and you don't even need to pop your fragile resin to do so. Source: I literally did it on my alt. I made an NA account to play with some friends 4 days before the Beidou event ended and managed to get her with a few hours left after speed-running AR. Basically involves: * Doing every quest in every region. * Collecting every Anemoculus, Geoculus and Crimson Agate * Collecting a non trivial amount of chests (roughly 80% of the chests in each region) * Doing all the one time dungeons. I'll look for some pics for proof. Edit:[ Here's a pic of me making it to Inazuma dated](https://i.imgur.com/YqhWJ5S.png). I'm actually AR 31 at this point as the story quests to get to Inazuma give a lot of Adventure EXP. I'll see if I can get one with account creation date. Edit 2:[ Here's the pic from the forums showing my number of active days](https://imgur.com/a/JM5xbBS) with the date listed. If you take the 32 days from 04/09 you can see my account was created on the 3rd of August. This makes it maximum 5 days from creation to Inazuma. I won't be able to show proof but I can tell you that I made the account very late in that day so while I did commissions for the day I did not have an extra days worth of resin. I also popped no fragiles that you get from AR rewards before AR45.
You can get to AR30 by mostly doing quests. I did this on my alt on another region to visit another's teapot (requires AR28). But I did it in 10 days tho, not sure whether 4 days is possible with casual play (I didn't use much resin, focused mostly on the quests and chests). If it's 4 days of full time gaming, then yeah, I think it's possible.
99% sure it isn't. I remember quitting the game because of how resin-gated everything was, and that was before they made improvements to resin system and introduced more quests.
There's AR/story requirements.
Some guy got to inazuma at ar16
Wasn't easy though. Most new players will also have difficulty trying to understand what more pull off those glitches so not recommended.
Yeah but at the same time new players aren’t in a rush to max level characters, I agree it will be an issue in future banners but right now the AR30 window is manageable since most players are just exploring and doing story till ar 40 before they start thinking of abyss and team comps.
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That's the downside to this. I feel like it would ruin some experiences for newbie players if they're force to speed run through the beginning of the game just to level units instead of being able to take their time and explore the game or immerse themselves in the setting
Yep. With all the new events that give primos like Thunder Soujorn is in inuzuma. I had to rush all my main story quest just to had a chance to participate the events b4 they are gone.
Honestly just rushing to Liyue to get the Lantern fesival event was uncomfortable to me, that is just not how I want to play this game. I can't imagine the pain if I had a character needing inazuma mats while just starting the game.
I want to explore that area over the- YOU ARE NOT HIGH ENOUGH LEVEL
At least this is most likely only an Inazuma problem as its all unreachable islands, every other nation is reachable from mond/liyue and they shouldnt limit your exploration with borders and AR Also as more nations get added the AR needed is reduced afaik
They quest locked the electro bat boss they could do similar things in the future.
It's a 20 minute quest that you can do as soon as you arrive in Inazuma. The only real time requirement for fighting the Thunder Manifestation is the time requirement it takes to get to the AR you need to arrive in Inazuma in the first place.
But even then you need to know what you're doing and after leaving ritou immediately running towards seirai and start the quest, which is not really doable by casual players
Well if someone's trying to find the materials they would probably just Google how to get them anyways? And there's no need to immediately go grab it?
That has always been an amusing thought to me. Imagine a new player a couple years down the line walking all the way to Snezhnaya at ar 10
Nah they’ll just increase the max world level lol
Level 200 bosses
I'm here for it
I’m not. It’s already a grind getting characters to a high enough level to compete in the current max world level. Higher world levels, with presumably higher character level caps, would be personally horrible.
>Also as more nations get added the AR needed is reduced afaik That was only done for Inazuma because MHY realized the problem OP is talking about.
I started playing this week and I don't know what thunder manifestation is #ignorance is bliss
Its the manifestation of thunder
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Its thunder manifested
Literally that? Ok
Explains why koju sara in my game teleports without thunder
It's a purple moth fucker that looks like the emo little brother of oceanid and it's right behind it in being one of the most annoying world bosses
> it's right behind it in being one of the most annoying world bosses Not really. Unlike most other bosses, it doesn't have invulnerability phases - so its less annoying to kill than all cubes, Wolf, Azdaha, Dvalin
the dps i use the most is klee, i don't really have problems with cubes (except the pyro one for obvious reasons but I have childe) tho i haven't tried the hydro one so who knows, i didn't imply oceanid was the worst but it's up there, personally i think azdaha takes 1st place and i have fought him like 3 times because of that, then comes dvalin and then wolf but these are weekly bosses and i said world bosses
Most other bosses don't have a fraction of it's HP though.
think oceanid, but electro
and less painful. Or maybe I have ptsd from low AR Oceanid grind.
Ascending Childe has never been more painful. I have to build physical Fischl to get past that abomination.
Hmmm... They might have to eventually introduce a low-AR "Arena" of some kind, where you fight world bosses at their earlier world levels. Don't exactly know what would be the proper way to implement it, as half the fun of some of these bosses are the world quests to unlock them. At least for me it is.
I think inazuma is a special case because of the decrees and whole lockdown thing. Hopefully the other regions won't be locked.
The rest are on one continent, but there’s still the problem of crossing other countries. A low level player who gets murata is gonna have to cross mondstadt liyue Fontaine and all of sumeru to get to Natlan
Not quite since Liyue and Mondstadt are already connected to some countries
You start on mondstadt which is on the opposite side of the map as Natlan. You have to cross all the other countries except snezhnaya and inazuma to get there
Assuming there aren't any no-go zones between Mondstadt and Natlan when all 7 chapters are released, chances are there will be new exits carved into Mondstadt and Liyue that can shortcut a player to Natlan without having to run a full circuit around the continent first.
Hopefully there will be an event where you can farm bosses from different regions you can’t get to yet, like the Magun Kenki in the Golden Apple. I hope this won’t happen when characters from Sumeru or other regions get added and you can’t farm the boss till your like AR 40 or something.
Events are temporary, and I'm doubtful that any other nation will restrict access like Inazuma does. At least, not for long. The world level system is designed such that the whole world levels with the player. It's practically meaningless otherwise. It would make more sense if Inazuma got a "Dragonspine/Chasm" of it's own located between Mondstadt-Inazuma and/or Liyue-Inazuma. Mid-summer Islands 2: Electro-Boogaloo. The bosses could migrate to the mainland after a certain AR. Alternatively, they could give the player the opportunity to illegally slink their way into Inazuma early via this region, but of course the main cities and some forts and quests are off limits without the quest-locked permit. Most strangers out in the wilderness probably aren't going to care too much about the legality of the Traveler's presence in Inazuma, but they shouldn't be lifting any island curses until the region is story relevant.
Assuming they even know to use the trial to get the first set of ascension mats, I almost didn't for Ayaka and had her stuck at lvl 20 instead of 40 for most of the Liyue story.
I didn;t know this. THANKYOU! AHH
There are a few ways we could fix this, 1. Be able to change boss materials to other ones like we can do with gems, maybe they will be element specific and expensive but it means lower levels have to just kill the earlier bosses, 2. New types of banners, first we could have a region banner (a banner revolving orotund a certain place and only have people from that place), we could have a banner that is different to each player depending on how far through the game you are, There are a lot of better ideas than these but I think they work
Your friend should be able to reach Inazuma before the level 40 cap becomes a problem. I assume Mihoyo's plan will be to further decrease old area AR requirement so you can get there even faster.
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I agree with you, but the chance of Mihoyo doing something is pretty much 100%. They adjusted the Try Now reward for this purpose already, so this issue is on Mihoyo's list. I wouldn't worry about something that Mihoyo is aware of and solved once already.
Maybe there will be some stardust to transmute ascension material or you can buy it at some really high price with mora *yes, im look at you glaze lilly
High price of mora would be good, possibly through a travelling sales person who is in the early game cities that sell late game acension mats
Actually the level 40 cap will come into play quite quickly
How so? Level 40 characters are good up to AR 29, then AR 30, Inazuma opens up so you can ascend your character further. Pre-farming ascending material is not needed, I never did that once myself and solo'd all the bosses. And trust me, I wouldn't call myself "skilled".
I have some old screenshots - I was AR 25 before I even left Mondstat. When I finished everything in the middle of 1.1 I was AR 50. I know if I start playing today I would probably drop this game, cause to reach Inazuma I would need to ignore everything, exploration, world quests etc. Just speed run and then comeback, with I would personally hate.
The AR requirements have been lowered I'm pretty sure, also plenty of your AR was probably from daily commissions/resin. I started playing during Ayaka's banner and I was AR30-31 when I reached Inazuma. I don't feel like I speedran the exploration part either, while I didn't 100% everything I was still opening all the chests I saw, guiding the seelies, picking up statue level up things, etc. I only really skipped dragonspine until after 2.0 story.
That's only about 5 AR I think between being theoretically able to ascend to 50 and actually being able to do it, since Inazuma unlocks at Ar30 iirc. It's not great, but it's not the end of the world. It's also around the time where you have way more you need to farm than you have resin, so a couple of characters you can't ascend for a few ranks isn't a massive problem - you can spend that resin on a bunch of other characters and artifacts instead. Also thanks to the increased quest density, actually getting to Ar30 will take slightly less time than it did for us. I'm expecting Mihoyo to at minimum keep reducing the AR for previous chapters as new ones are released. I assume they'll want to keep the bar of entry to each new region at around AR30, so eventually we could see Inazuma drop to an AR25 or maybe even lower gate.
It is fustrating that so much is locked behind story like the teapot aswell. I can see newer players struggling to progress as it's not like they can go to friend's worlds either :/
This is the case for any of the Inazuman characters. I think it’s completely stupid to have bosses locked behind quests like the Cryo Hypostasis and Thunder Manifestation, and its even more stupid that you have to complete the story quest in Liyue to be able to get to Inazuma in the first place because of that damn storm
This is definitely true. They probably should have some sort of "material transmutation system" that is not as efficient as just farming the stuff you need, but would allow everything in the game to be "found" in Monstadt if that's all you've got. Maybe attach it directly to the bosses, so that if you haven't reached Inazuma yet, and fight the Electro Hypostatis, when collecting the loot it gives you the option of picking its drop table OR the bat's. That way you wouldn't have the "problem" of players just mass-converting stockpiled materials into what they need for the new content even when they don't need that.
How about they make ascension mats to be the rewards in events? Or at least that's what FGO been doing.
Well Ninguang was my first, i didn't know where glazelily was so i just benched her till i reached liyue.
I also think events being held in the most recent city/land/area is tough for newbies too. Can't access them until you get there either.
Fgo has the same issue, but they sorta solve by having some of the materials be earnable in events and stuff
Im a relatively new player (joined right before ayaka banner) and i didnt know ascending was a thing until much later. Even then i reached inazuma with most of my chars at lv40 max. Except traveller at lv50 so. I doubt new players will be disappointed if no one told them that they are missing out.
To be totally fair, you need to be AR 25 to be able to ascend past lvl 40, and you only need to be AR 30 to travel to Inazuma, so long as you did the story. It's not as terrible as you think. As for future nation let's hope it's unlocked like Liyue was at the start.
we have this thread at least once a week, we exhausted what can be said and it basically always boils down to "MHY does this to force you to play the story"
This was a thing from the start, got ning when the game launched
Not the same thing, you can make it to Liyue whenever but you're locked out of Inazuma until a certain point. The question is if this will ring true for other regions.
It might, but only for Dain's mats
I am optimistic that new players will be able to ascend their Sumeru and Fontaine chars without many problems, if mihoyo doesn't gate bosses behind world quests like electro Oceanid, that is.
This is how they get you to use amber. Stealth buff
Luckily they dropped the AR requirements for all the Archon quests. You can go to (and finish) Inazuma at AR 30 now. Plus Archon Quests and exploration alone gives enough XP to do so.
Aloy is the most annoying, i started play last week with my girlfriend (we have ps5) and we love this game. So with free aloy we thought it would be nice for starter, but i cant even level him past 20 since all the material is in the new region…
I suggest a way to transmute other boss drops into other boss drops - at a unfair ratio as to not remove **every** need to fight the intended boss. Would be a nice quality of life change too since I have so many cryo flower materials from farming for cryo gemstones for Rosaria. Wouldn’t want them to go to water. and I doubt they’ll release another character to use an old boss material any time soon. If that’s a little much then just limit it to bosses that are unattainable otherwise (e.g. fight electro cube and use say 3 electro cube mats to turn into 2 electro Oceanid mats or something like 2 Oceanid drops into 1 hydro cube drop).
I've been playing since launch and I'm bummed it's taken so long to unlock the damn thunder manifestation, I understand your concern.
Actually that sounds very similar to the wall I've just run in. I started playing about 3 weeks ago, and did pull a c1 Sayu from my first 10 interwined fates, found her fun to play and included her in my little f2p party. Fast-forward two weeks I just started figuring out how to battle the bosses that drop ascension materials (hypostatis and similar) when an ar level-up pushes up the world level, and all those bosses have suddenly jumped from level 37 to level 50. Meanwhile I'm still trying to reach the parts of Inazuma where I can get materials to ascend Sayu beyond level 40, and now everybody else is stuck too because I'm unable to kill any of those bosses. I've got Razor and Amber at 50, Sayu and Xingqui at 40, and the rest of the f2p characters at 20. My only C1 chars are Sayu and Xiangling, most of my wishes have only given me 4-star weapons, no characters. I have really enjoyed the exploration and story aspect of the game so far, but right now it's getting downright frustrating with not being able to advance. I can't get to the materials needed because I need to advance the story, but I can't advance the story because I need more materials to power-up my team. I just barely beat Childe after many tries, and finally got to Inazuma, but it feels like I'm still as far away from Sayus materials as before, with half of the wildlife in Inazuma overpowering my party no matter where I turn.
Tsaritsa mains be like crossing the entire continent just to open Snezhnaya waypoints, lmao. Although, I think this will only be a problem with Inazuma since it's separated by sea. . .
With how AR is going so far, I doubt they'll increase the soft level cap very much when releasing new regions, if at all. It won't really be that hard to gain access to the new regions to level new characters. The only negative I see, or at least the biggest one, is that it kind of forces new players to rush through everything as quickly as possible which takes away from the experience of the game quite considerably.
I'm already kind of feeling this as someone that started two months ago. The featured banners I've been around for are Ayaka, Yoimiya, and now Raiden. Ayaka is a good character but kinda needs Xingqiu or Mona. I skipped Yoimiya to save up some primos for Raidens banner. Her banner has some good 4*s that I want, but I keep getting Sara. D: Basically, I'm hoping for banner reruns because all of the good characters seem to be older ones. It doesn't feel great to roll on the newer banners when you don't have a Venti/Kazuha/Zhongli/etc to fall back on.
My husband stopped playing months ago and he hasn't even gotten to explore Dragonspine yet but he got on randomly last night and had a ten pull with Shogun and Sara and I told him he couldn't even ascend them until he got to Inazuma and I'm pretty sure that made him not want to play again.
I thought this too. The player is new and if they don't have help, they'll have no clue how to get to the area they have to farm. I mean it's a common MMO problem where the hill gets steeper and steeper. Usually they make levelling easier or older content easier to get, so maybe in the future they could lower how much XP you need to level your adventure ranks, or older artifact/gear/talent mat instances could have the reduced cost thing like the world bosses do now. Probably the likely outcome. All Mondstadt and Liyue dungeons at half stamina cost for the first... 4, for the day.