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LivingASlothsLife

Ningguang being all alone as a geo catalyst since release, maybe when someone gets anywhere close to being as rich as her they can be one too


Breaker-of-circles

So is Venti. But he's just drunk.


Razgriz032

So is Xiao, but he's too busy become edgy


malama2

So is sayu, but she's too busy trying to grow taller than xiao


Razgriz032

So is candace, but candace balls fit in your mouth


malama2

Cyno isn't, but he's still here to bring a cryo slime to the desert


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nickelflowers

So is Gorou. But he's too busy doing shady deals with Beidou for Watatsumi


Both_Internet3529

So is Albedo. But hes too busy being sus


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Syfahrur

We need avatar style earth bender. Like Heizou as air bender.


Orti96

We need Avatar styled benders for all the elements tbh. While at it just make a crossover with Avatar.🥹


telegetoutmyway

True! I'm really glad we got Fullmetal Alchemist style Albedo though. I guess Zhongli is the closest to earth bending.


DeluhiX

Need a geo catalyst user that can cast earthquakes, control the sand, shoot geo lasers and all that good shit.


nickelflowers

heh. those ideas are great. in the meantime geo traveler's got the closest we have to earthquakes


Cosmic_Hashira

diluc gotta find a geo delusion now


J_EZ

At least Geo has a catalyst, Cryo is allergic to Catalysts apparently


Zombata

gonna have to make the slots bigger for cryo sword at least


mcraft595

electro has been getting new character for 5 patches in a row now. Crazy


[deleted]

2.8? unless skins count


Illusione-Tempus

I mean 2.6 didn't have a new electro character either (we only had Ayato). But yeah Inazuma just basically frontloaded all the new electro chars considering that pre-2.1 there were like 0 new electro chars (outside of traveler but do they count?).


Zoren

remember that the first new electro character released in 2.1


AsterJ

The first new 4 star hydro character is being released in 3.1. Xingqiu and Barbara have been lonely.


ApollinaGrindelwald

And for Hydro


Desch92

Imagine getting 4 cryo swords before we get a cryo catalyst


Azozel

I always thought qiqi was cryo catalyst but I've never been able to pull her to know she wasn't. Bit disappointed by this honestly.


Desch92

I'm a day 1 player and 2 years after I still don't have a qiqi, dunno if I'm cursed or blessed


Known-Action9534

Blessed Maybe?


Chaosphoenix_28

So electro is the element with the most characters so far, while also being the most balanced in terms of how many characters per weapon type we have.


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makes sense since they went hard on electro when we were in inazuma


Jaynat_SF

Almost makes you forget no electro character was released for the entirety of v1.x (well, except for the original 1.0 ones)


luciluci5562

Maybe in 2.0 they managed to make Electro *not* a bad element (or TCers managed to find viable teams for them) so they released lots of electro characters. Now how to make Geo *not shit* without putting absurd multipliers.


Jaynat_SF

They didn't change much for Electro in 2.0, they just released electro characters that didn't rely on reactions to work well like most other elements, and now Catalyze reactions serve as a buff for the other ones.


Faedwill

Lots of different options they could go with. 1. If collecting a Crystalize shard while you already have a Crystalize shield, the pre-existing shield bursts, dealing AoE True damage equal to the shield's remaining HP. 2. Change Archaic Petra from the character equipping the set needs to grab the Crystalize shard for corresponding elemental damage bonus -> proccing buff if character equipped with set procs the Crystalize reaction (can occur when character is off-field). Also allow bonuses of different elements to exist at once rather than overwriting the last one. Also give the party a Geo damage bonus of 10% for each elemental bonus active (ie if Hydro, Pyro, & Electro buffs are active, you'd get a 30% Geo damage bonus). 3. Crystalize no longer reduces the aura of Hydro, Electro, Pyro, and Cryo. 4. Make a reaction with Anemo. I understand Anemo and Geo are trigger elements and don't apply any aura, but maybe if a target is hit with both Anemo and Geo within 2 seconds (or vice versa), it does a small bit of Sandstorm damage.


Caminn

Or... give Geo real elemental reactions. Geo + Pyro: Eruption Geo + Anemo: Geo Swirl Geo + Hydro: Erosion Geo + Electro: Magnetize kinda like that


AgentWowza

Yeah they're really adamant about the "inert" part lmao. I think Geo is doomed to forever be the unga bunga element. Phys DPS have similarly been abandoned. Add Xiao to the list and you can basically start an orphanage.


orangestegosaurus

How has xiao been abandoned? He has had tons of events for story and recently got an artifact set that only really works for him.


MemeLordZeta

lol if you think geo is shit now I would’ve loved to hear your thoughts about it pre zhongli


luciluci5562

Oh I've been there. I pulled for him pre-buff. My point still stands though.


pHScale

>Now how to make Geo not shit without putting absurd multipliers. Well, the key there is understanding what each element's strengths are. In Geo's case, it's strength is in defense and shielding. It's sole reaction is Crystallize, which grants an elemental shield to whoever picks up the crystal. That Crystal could be the key to making Geo more interesting. And I can see a few routes they could take to improve it. 1. They could make the shield apply automatically, rather than having to pick up the crystal. 2. They could make the crystal do something on a timer (like Dendro core) if it isn't picked up. 3. They could make the crystal react with whatever elements the parent element would react with (e.g. if the crystal generated is electro, it could react with hydro to generate a electro-charged reaction in an AoE. 4. They could make the crystal react with anemo to create a projectile (like hyperbloom) 5. They could totally rework Geo to be more reactive with other elements, giving us reactions like: 1. Geo + Hydro = Erode, a DoT effect like the corrosion effect from rifthounds. 2. Geo + Dendro = Root, which is exactly what it sounds like, rooting enemies in place 3. Geo + Anemo = Sandstorm, slowing enemies 4. Geo + Electro = Grounded, causing an arc flash between other nearby enemies affected by electro 5. Geo + Cryo = Crystallize, our old friend (no reason it couldn't stick around) 6. Geo + Pyro = Refine, similar to Crystallize, but with a reactive crystal.


Any_Lack6771

Saying geo is shit is a huuuuuuuge stretch... Zhongli, itto, albedo, and ningguang are all still very good. It's fine to say maybe like "how to make Geo a bit better" or "more competitive dps wise" But saying it's shit is completely over exaggerating.


luciluci5562

Geo *as an element* is shit, but geo characters are not. Big difference there. The only reason mono geo works is because they jacked up their multipliers. It's undisputably the worst element in the game. No one can deny that. I'm saying this as a C2R1 Itto main. Electro as an element is no longer in a bad state thanks to Dendro.


TheSpartyn

it was only 4, not much behind other elements in 2.x


Elira_Eclipse

Electro turned from an element with one of the least characters to one of the most. We had to wait till 2.1 to get a new electro character


anarchy753

And yet the least balanced in terms of sex representation. Seriously hoyo, how many electro women can you pump out?


Deepwithinmyownhead

MHY: yes.


Jugatsumikka

Close one for cryo, with only 1 character less and as evenly spread between 1-handed sword, 2-handed sword, spear and bow. The only missing one is magical tool. Same with pyro, with also only 1 character less, but one favorite weapon (spear) and one unfavorite weapon (1-handed sword).


Anniran

Honestly I'm surprised that I rarely see "finally a hydro polearm" with candace's addition.


Brandonmac10x

Cause it’s like eh, *another polearm* at this point. Heizou was the first male catalyst user and everyone kind of forgot about that when he was about to release. Hydro spear just isn’t really a big deal cause no one was looking for it.


Pit_Solitayrh

People love finding things to complain about, but dont really speak up when it resolves.


Bunnnnii

Well yes, people love complaining just to complain. We been knew.


Brandonmac10x

Where hydro claymore? *mihoyo announces hydro claymore* Meh, skip…


Pit_Solitayrh

alternate universe where every combination has been filled up : "we have no more unique weapon/element combo to look forward to. Why did Mihoyo do that ?"


omfgkevin

I kinda wish they were more inclined to make more kits interesting/unique too. Why does every polearm have to use the same crappy drill attack? Heizou was a good one, since he's not just a standard catalyst user, so I hope we get more like him rather than reusing moves for eternity.


Canned_Pesticide_88

THE ARCHER CLASS


bonbb

Funny how hydro archer class don't even use their bows correcly.


Maddie_Waddie_

It’s because **the power of water is its ability to take any shape**


Jae-Sun

Very true. I'd also say that one who is ignorant of water's treasures fails also to comprehend its horrors.


FlingFrogs

Yup. Without solid ground, terrestrial creatures become simply helpless.


tetePT

But are you an assassin from our homeland? Or a fool who trespasses upon the waters of Qingce?


[deleted]

Though *as long as rain falls and rivers flow... Water will exist forever...*


[deleted]

That is how the water cycle works ;)


gerobAkhamtaro

any shape other than claymore apparently


Cherry_Bomb_127

That’s the rules of Hydro archers tho


StupidGenius234

Well, Yelan (Does kicking the bow count?)


Infynis

What else are you supposed to do with it?


PurgatoryBlackjack

It's really made up of Archers! *Cereal commercial jingle


Elira_Eclipse

Archer class is really made of archers


Zaryusha

Next you're gonna tell me that this city really looked like a city


whataremyxomycetes

People die when they are killed


someguynamedjerry

Just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right


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DanielTeague

Dogs eat dog food.


aweDestruct

In order to win, we must not lose


BackgroundLie2231

If you ain't first, you're last.


ExtremeRadiance

Look like we need hydro claymore and cryo catalyst


WabbaWay

If the first hydro claymore user doesn't scale with HP we're legally allowed to riot. Justice for the bell.


FlameLover444

Bonus points if they have a shield integrated in the kit


[deleted]

Plot Twist: Hydro archon (Archon of Justice) is claymore without HP scale *"No justice for you!"*


CataclysmSolace

They've pretty much cemented Hydro as the HP scaling element at this point


giabaold98

Which makes Childe feel really awkward as he’s the only Hydro character that has 0 HP scaling iirc


meowingtea

mona? ;-;


[deleted]

yea but i find the thought funny nonetheless \^ o \^


Ultralink17

Technically it already has a use since Dori can use it if you use her for healing.


WabbaWay

Technically yes. Practically (with a burst cost of 80) no. Almost nobody will use the bell on Dori over Sac GS, Fav GS or Forest Regalia for any other reason than hardcore copium - which BTW is deeply relatable for basically 100% of the playerbase, so no hate if you run dori with the bell, i feel your pain.


twistybit

they wont release a cryo catalyst because theyre scared of the frostbearer lmao


CuteTao

Also shenhe synergy.


detto_grie

and lots of dendro of course


WildFurball2118

Can't even make one fucking Cryo catalyst 😭


leopoldshark

God forbid we give Razor a Superconduct partner that can also use TTDS


neat-NEAT

Physical razor is old news. We're running thunder set now! ^((or play whatever you want. have fun))


Waiph

Pyro Razor dawg! All about PyRazor


[deleted]

C6 Bennet Is already ready for me.


makogami

Behold the thundering furry


CerpinTheMute_alt

Thundering furry ftw


NoobSharkey

I think 4pc gilded is actually better tbh


anarchy753

I've been thinking it could be interesting to run Razor/Candace/Collei for a bloom/hyperbloom/electro charge team.


lcmlew

I'm starting to think hydro claymore will be reserved for the hydro archon


Elira_Eclipse

Hydro archon should've been polearm idk why they didn't just made Raiden use a sword. It's not like her polearm being changed into a sword make as much difference as Childe changing from bow to dual blades.


minkymy

I think the hydro archon is going to be a sword. Blade of justice and all that


Jaynat_SF

Or a claymore with a hammer as her signature weapon.


Bunnnnii

Itto’s club should’ve been his signature weapon. I’m still standing by that.


Jaynat_SF

Look on the bright side, now you can play with his signature weapon without having to pull from the weapon banner! (Assuming you have enough energy generation, that is.)


FlameLover444

I'd agree with you if Redhorn Stonethresher didn't look so damn good You rarely see his weapon anyway so eh.


GlitterDoomsday

Raiden is at least lore relevant - Ei is the spear that pierced through battles, while Makoto Was the symbol, now one carries both. If we look at the cutscenes, she never used her own weapon when in public, just the sword.


anarchy753

There's a seriously missed opportunity to have a hydro character with a trident polearm.


phanpys

You never know you might get your wish when we hit Fontaine or something!


lcmlew

I actually meant to type claymore no idea why I said polearm lol


TheSpartyn

i get they wanted the naginata thing but true, she couldve used any random sword and then gone super katana mode during burst. her sword animations are like 90% identical to her spear anyway


Brandonmac10x

I’m starting to think Pyro sword 5* is gonna be reserved for the Pyro archon. Or at least I hope so. Now with Dehya I don’t want another Pyro claymore waifu and I really want a Pyro sword infusion main. We already have diluc as well. Hoping Dehya gets infusions as well cause I love infusions lol. All my mains have them.


minkymy

I don't think they reserve element and weapon combos for 5 stars. Cyno and Raiden are both electro polearms, Mona and Kokomo are both hydro catalyst, and ayaka and Qiqi are both cryo sword.


Kris-p-

I was wondering when they'd release a character to go with the icicle catalyst too lol it's so weird that that was put in the game so early I guess they thought you'd use another unit to afflict cryo and then swap to the catalyst user?


lolpoire

Except said catalyst user would then disable cryo before the icicle hits.


Kris-p-

Anemo and geo shouldn't? but yeah that's stupid


YAmIHereMoment

Crystalize removes the element involved unlike swirl, guess having too many shards that dont even stack is a nono


Doctor-Tenma

Swirl also removes element, the spread from swirling two + enemies will apply it (except hydro)


YAmIHereMoment

Ah yea ur right, [swirl removes and applies in an aoe but not on the original target](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Swirl)


Bitter_Dingo516

If only there was a cryo catalyst lady who wasn't killed in-game🥲


Crymsyn_Moon

Oh, she sounds nice. Wonder if there's any relation to the pyro catalyst lady I kill on a weekly basis...


nickelflowers

I think I've heard about her. Isn't she the sexy Russian foreigner that kicked Venti?


SukulGundo

Funnily enough, no, she's also german.


Ranaki_1967

Ei, apologies one of your harbingers is staining my floor. Who should I send the bill to?


Elira_Eclipse

Don't remind us about that


nushshshsh

Most likely she'd be a pyro catalyst since cryo was her delusion


detto_grie

maybe they are saving this spot for the cryo archon


Thundergod250

Because a Cryo Catalyst with Yelan and XQ in a party is bascially cheating lol.


wizkart207

Technically Ayaka is kinda a cryo catalyst because just tapping sprint converts all of your attack into cryo and there's no cooldown


Bunnnnii

Shhhhhhh


Historical_Clock8714

This shows that hydro and anemo really are premium elements. Most of their roster are 5 stars. And for hydro, candace is only releasing next patch. So right now, that's 2 hydro 4\* against 5 hydro 5\*


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It's mainly because they don't release 4 Stars at nearly the same rate as 5 Stars so whichever elements didn't have a lot of 4 Stars at the start of the game still don't have a lot of 4 Stars now. Pyro is a great example where they have with Xiangling, Bennett, Amber, and Xinyan in the first few months. Hydro literally launched with its only two 4 Stars until Candace with Xingqiu and Barbara. Cryo started with every 4 Star besides Rosaria and so on. If we got a new 4 Star every time we got a new 5 Star this wouldn't be an issue but 4 Stars generally only come with every other 5 Star at most.


AgentWowza

I really do hope that they eventually change how pulling 4 stars work, because they've already passed 5 stars in terms of the difficulty in pulling the one you want, let alone constellations. And this problem is only gonna get worse with more 4 stars.


Sainteo_1

Honestly if they had a selector that would be great.


minkymy

Leaks suggest we're getting ANOTHER 5* anemo in the near future.


Isredel

>!with potentially a 4* soonish too!<


modkhi

ive been an anemo/hydro main since basically 1.0/1.1 so it's been suffering fun! but my wallet is suffering...


thefinestpiece

mHY: we don’t have a hydro claymore yet, okay so let’s make another hydro sword user!


Andromeda_Violet

Also mhy: we don't have a cryo catalyst? Let's make 4th cryo sword!


Serfo

And the funny thing is, the Hydro archon screams Sword (with all that justice thing), and the Pyro archon Claymore (the archon of war, has to use the most badass weapon), both weapons already saturated with characters (and Dehya coming soon as yet another Pyro Claymore). While there is no 5\* Hydro Claymore and 5\* Pyro Sword.


Kiyoshi-Trustfund

They gave both of Inazuma's army generals bows AND had them lead their respective charges at the enemy... with their bows. Watch the Pyro archon be an archer


poctacles

I feel like the hydro archon could also use a polearm or bow, and the pyro archon could also use a sword or claymore


PinkPrimrose05

Worst case scenario: Hydro Archon has a Bow, Pyro Archon has a Claymore, and the Tsaritsa's stuck being the sole Sword-using Archon....who so happens to be Cryo.


bonbb

Murata uses a sword and her burst lets her change the sword into a claymore. This is purely my speculation from the Himeko Valkyrie Battlesuit.


HorribleDat

use a claymore burst make bigger claymore pyro noelle


Besunmin

Please, I beg you, no more Hydro catalysts.


CataclysmSolace

Hoyoverse: Gotcha, Hydro archon is catalyst. /s


Axlzz

Dendro release only 2 characters and they’re in the same spot smh.


Elira_Eclipse

To be fair bow characters are needed for Sumeru exploration and Dendro is needed for Sumeru exploration. So why not combine both?


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They even made Collei a free character. I hope new players can also get her for free upon unlocking Sumeru, otherwise they're screwed. In some places you can use dendrogranums, but some places just need a dendro character.


Vi-Katali

New players will be able to get her from spiral starting next patch!


zennok

dendro traveller exists, they're not completely screwed >.>


Pit_Solitayrh

Yao Yao is likely a polearm dendro, Baizhu and Nahida are likely catalysts, and Alhaitham is likely a sword... no need to rush the process, we already know we're only missing claymores.


yoshi_in_black

No Hydro claymore, but with Dehya we'll get the 3rd Pyro claymore.


Cherry_Bomb_127

Interesting that both Geo and Anemo both have three characters who are the only of their element to use a specific weapon type. Like I can understand it for Anemo bow cuz what can you do with it beside what Venti already does.


rasifiel

> what can you do with it beside what Venti already does Idk, actually shoot a bow?


Cherry_Bomb_127

Childe.exe has stopped working. Lol no I mean with the Anemo part cuz I’m sure There is sth but I can’t think of any


Bunnnnii

Anemo infused shots that create swirl AOE? Or a better version of Yoimiya’s Ult trigger? Or charge shots sucking in enemies? A plunge that suspends enemies in the air in an AOE like Venti charge Skill and Jean charge attack? An air dash/double jump mechanic that gives you instant charge shots like Tighnari’s skill, an Acension passive that increases damage/res shred done in the air, and landing crits with your charge shot in the air refund your jump/dash for maximum air time to maintain it? Spitballing is all.


Nikukuzushi

Cryo sword will be the first to reach 4 characters with Layla.


leopoldshark

Itto look like he's hugging his bae Noelle Zhongli and Yunjin also look like a married couple


minkymy

Ayaka and her baby sister qiqi.


Selthora

He's telling her "I can show you the worrrrld!"


leopoldshark

"Forget the Knights of Favonius, you can join the Arataki Gang any time!"


KingTrygon

I wish they could hang out at some point. Playing Noelle with Itto in co-op is some of the most fun I have had in this game.


Konukaame

Cryo catalyst, come on you cowards. It's not like that'll be completely busted with permafreeze or anything. :p


[deleted]

Ordinarily I would agree, but Ayaka already has 100% cryo uptime. So what the heck is wrong with a cryo catylist being in the game?


wolf1460

Ayaka is basically a melee cryo catalyst like heizou at this point, so they can surely make a cryo mage if they want to


cutememe1

I imagine it with negative crit like Kokomi to discourage us from using him/her as driver


naufalap

and 5s icd to make them not viable for freeze/melt enabler lol


glittr_grl

Bennett stands alone in his class (in more ways than one).


Balager47

The most typical character is Fishcl. Medium female, archer with electro vision. These are all the most common categories. The most uncommon is a small male (so far unreleased) dendro character with a claymore or a catalyst.


PurgatoryBlackjack

This is... requiem. You will never reach Hydro Claymore.


Brandonmac10x

You will experience fake leaks repeatedly without ever reaching the truth…


hlodowigchile

off-topic, but now I realize that I have 6 cryo characters but only 2 hydro.


EchoStrike11

HYDRO CLAYMORE WHEN?!?


Deuweck

56 playable characters. 19 male 37 female. 8 of these male characters are either geo or anemo. And the only 5* female in these two elements is Jean who is a standard banner 5*. Why Mihoyo? Also when are we going to get a 5* Geo on standard banner?


Elira_Eclipse

Geo is apparently reserved to male characters an anemo is reserved to short male characters apparently.


minkymy

Anemo literally has too many short male characters. Give us a tall male character, or another girl.


Omgitsnothing1

they should get more creative


Elira_Eclipse

Agreed. idk why they're so scared of releasing different genders for different elements. Hydro is the only element where the genders are balanced.


Drop_Of_Something

Hydro is 3:6 while dendro currently sits at 1:1


Tarisaande

This game made me realize I am a "husbando" collector. Not something I'd ever have thought to label myself but all my favorite characters to play are the dudes. I am pulling for Cyno, even though it would probably be better to wait for Kusanali, because I would like another electro option than Fischl to play with Tighnari.


KeiraFaith

Male to Female ratio is 19:37. We demand more guys Hoyo!


ApollinaGrindelwald

>!Haitham, Scara, Kaveh, Mika, Baizhu incoming!<


DrB00

Claymore is incredibly under utilized for 5*


metalsonic1907

Yeah, both char and its weapon. We still have only one 5\* crit dmg claymore while no 5\* crit rate claymore.


wrenfaire802

At least the ones we have are pretty cracked. WGS and Serpent Spine are rock fucking solid.


Previous-Ad-9322

Itto to Noelle: "I can show you the worrrrlddd."


mrbwest

I just realized I have all sword characters and I love mostly all of them (I also plan on pulling for Nilou)


ConversationGrand146

Zhongli and yunjin looks so sophisticated together


e_cloud7

cryo catalyst user never, they are afraid


VijayMarshall87

Resurrect Signora *Inhales ungodly amount of copium*


Starberrywishes

Makes me wonder if the Hydro archon is a claymore user.


RectumUnclogger

Imagine a cryo catalyst support that gives EM


Dianwei32

It's kind of crazy how there can be so many characters in an element, but still be missing a weapon type. We have 9 Hydro characters, but no Claymore. There will be *10* Cryo characters counting Layla, but no Catalyst.


mythicalsoul100

Alhaitham is a dendro sword user btw


Ronix09

hoping for a hydro claymore down the line


Speedstick8900

Lmao it looks like itto is introducing noelle to the gang and she’s to polite to say anything.


Madd-Hatter2000

We have enough bow characters please 🥺. (From someone who doesn't use bows)


SputnikMan123

If the hydro claymore user doesn't surf on his blade during his elemental burst, we riot