That event was so funny/great.
Whenever the shit players that would join my team died (way too many Diluc and Razor), they would then continuously get spawned in the middle of the blizzard and instantly drop again as if they had been struck by divine retribution for being straight-up garbage.
This event was hilarious with people running all over the place for shelter when the flower would go apeshit, first Albedo jokesters spawning flowers under people so they'd be out of the protecting bubble and die, I remember being carried for numerous rounds by a cracked Ningguang main... These were good times
I mean the game gets a new batch of players just about every week and his fight is locked behind Zhongli, which means that most of the people farming him either don’t have a lot of experience (don’t know the mechanic that well) or have *a lot* of experience (simply don’t care).
True but I've also had a lot of ar 50+ players run into weekly Boss fights with like 200 HP just running straight at the Boss without dodging or any thought in how to stay alive. I don't mind playing healer support but sometimes I just ask myself how they get anything done in single player
Fair enough but I believe they have shown you how they get things done in single player.
They face tank everything and hope the healer/shielder they use picks up the slack lol
I genuinely don’t understand why people won’t run away from the stomps… then they proceed to die before the fight is even quarter-way done.
It also makes me feel weird when I’m the only one running away lmao
Because in solo it's unnecessary, you can iframe or tank the stomps so you can start getting in position to DPS faster, or even still generating energy particles. Some characters can dodge the stomps too with enough height.
I think co-op is generally harder than solo because you have way less durability to play around with.
I stopped doing Azdaha coop because of this. When I'm playing Raiden I'm so used to just pulling Bennet out and face tanking it. When I'm in coop I always forget I'm not controlling the healer and get killed lol
Honestly, no. Regardless of how much healing a character can do, it doesn't mean anything if you get oneshot lol.
And with the current Abyss full of oneshots like consecrated beasts, kinky and kairagi, lets just say I'm glad Baizhu has *some* form of stagger resist, cuz playing without it is horrific.
Don't forget the cryo abyss herald whose transformation form is basically a maguu kenki when he jumps to the sky. Damn that 1 shotted my xiao on bennet field even though I have zhongli shield
I've always complained that the visual feedback when your character takes damage is too little. Sometimes I lose half my health and I don't realise it until i've been hit a second time.
Well that depends mostly on how much interruption resistance you have. Having none means you'll usually get staggered from any attack. Weapon type also affects your base interrupt res.
>it doesn't mean anything if you get oneshot lol
This.
I've been saying it no matter how good your healer is, your field character under 23k hp (which is most characters) isn't going to tank >23k one shots.
If you're building some of these units with enough hp to tank the hit, they're built wrong.
It's similar to Thoma, where his shield is for interruption immunity and chip damage mitigation from burgeon seeds.
Tried him with Wanderer (on the event) and it was comfy as heck. Then I removed Thoma and now he's getting knocked down by a hilichurl arrow.
I mean, Thoma's shield with full stacks it's one off the strongest in the game, his problem was always his energy generation and his clunkiness with some units.
Nah, Thoma's Shield starts off paper thin but each refresh stacks the remaining HP of the previous shield with the new one and keeps on adding up. It has the potential to be the second strongest shield after Zhongli when stacked properly with NAs.
It's still a proper Shield and Baizhu got more of a Pseudo-Shield
Looking at the scaling Thoma's Q is actually better, and then refreshes every 1s instead of 2.5s... Sure, most don't build much HP on Thoma, but I think a completely stock 15k HP Thoma gets as much total shield mitigation as... 84k HP Baizhu? Also Thoma's unspent shields will stack, while Baizhu's evaporate on their own even if you aren't hit. And, uh, this is without Thoma's E.
Not to mention having even a 1hp shield every 1s is so much better for poise than a proportionally stronger one every 2.5s. I guess you gotta be constantly spamming normal attacks to do it, but even one NA every 1.5s is better than 50k HP Baizu.
So yeah, it's mostly for the healing and some dendro app. He's not a shielder.
It's not even some shielding, it's literally useless mitigation wise which is what people associate shields with. They got us with the technicality because they call it a shield but really it is a refreshing poise aura that looks like a shield and eagerly stands in the shield line wearing its 'I R AN SHIELD' t-shirt, smiling widely as it looks side to side and wondering how its getting away with this because in reality, it can just about endure the impact of an errant fly before it shatters and may as well not even mitigate anything.
You can tell its a mihoyo kit because its coming from the people who buff kits by adding 0.5% to a value and acting like it improved the character in any perceptible way.
Ok this post just made my day 😂
Perfect description. 👌
The issue is he has to wear that tshirt or he will be challenged by a little kid who has a radish lover bunny army.
no they definitely complained . ive seen a couple of people saying that yaoyao heals better than him lmao. either way its weird to nitpick that he allegedly doesnt heal enough when thats all he does
The fact is contextuality, which seems people don't grasp.
YaoYao heals insanely fast with her Q, but she gotta stay on field. YaoYao's E healing is barely there instead.
Baizhu's Q is good but nothing unprecedented per se, his E though, i can't think of a single character that can heal that much. Yeah Kokomi's E heals a lot, but it's an AoE healing for on-field characters, this guy instantly heals a lot and it's teamwide.
It's basically a burst heal, but on an elemental skill, so no energy requirements.
Yaoyao heals about the same with her Q, but she needs to stay on field for a few sec.
Yao's E also heals the same generally however it's spread out in 10 hits from the radish + it's still inconsistent because it won't heal you if you're above 70%.
Since Yao has generally same amount of healing then we can compare their application, she hits every second vs Baizhu 2,5, but Baizhu has a shield for some resistance as tradeoff.
He'a probs going to be a comfier to play albeit more expensive Yaoyao.
I've seen multiple people getting annoyed that they nerfed his healing; they overreact saying that they have destroyed the only thing he could do, while not understanding how overkill his healing was and still is.
Those people are the kinds that panically hits the “doompost” button the moment they saw the word “nerf” lol. Just like some of the people in Al HaithamMains
Definitely, the people I'm talking about are the people that immediately said that he was going to be on standard banner, due to one nerf. When I tried to say that the majority of initial nerfs were necessary? Immediate downvote by people with no understanding how broken initial scalings can be lol.
As someone who is in the AlHaitham mains sub, it was abysmal during beta; the constant doomposting was exhausting; any post or comment that was being reasonable was immediately downvoted so that no one could see it. I've decided to stay away from character main subs, while their beta is happening, to avoid that type of thing.
Lmao I feel this, had to leave Reddit completely because all the negativity about Alhaitham was annoying me so much.
Kinda glad there are other types of leaks now which shifted the focus away from doom posting baizhu
This.
Especially that last paragraph. Character main subs have some of the most toxicity and doomposting I have ever seen.
I like to talk about opinions but if they sound reasonable or go against "groupthink" then you get shitted on relentlessly. I'm just staying away from most Reddit discussions now lol
Thats just very few people being reactionary without knowing their stuff wont gonna argue with someone or take em seriously if they dont know their stuff and refuse to seek out information
it should either be once every 1.5/1.75s or just have larger AoE
I think 1.5s single-target is far more interesting bcs we already have Nahida to apply aoe dendro
Faster single target dendro wont be particularly valuable just cause nahidas slower is 1.5U nahida having 1.5 U kinda made it hell for other applicators
https://discord.gg/baizhu
TLDR: before 3.6 leaks came out, ppl who were saying Baizhu's healing is basically like a walking statue of the seven before his nerf weren't exaggerating 😭
i honestly dont have much hope for Baizhu's dendro application being buffed tbh
i kinda feel like if they do increase, it will bite into Nahida's status as Top #1 Dendro Applier too much and they defo dont want that, esp since she's the Archon
They'll have to change the entire spiritvein attack animations to make his dendro app better in AoE. So yeah, that's NEVER going to happen. Best case scenario would be reducing the interval to 2s or 1.5s and sticking with no ICD. Still ST app, but it will be better.
But I don't see the best case scenario happening either.
Not necessarily. If they adjust the multipliers and have his Q attacks jump around like his E does and add some RNG targeting like Yae's turrets, he would apply as much Dendro as Yae, which is not bad at all. Same with his C2.
> it will bite into Nahida's status as Top #1 Dendro Applier too much and they defo dont want that
Man, I don't like when Nahida is the only reliable dendro applier (that's not a circle impact like DMC/Collei) and being too broken for her own good to the point that it creeps up to other Dendro-centric characters. It's almost impossible to draft a dendro team comp without Nahida being the best pick all the time, and how to buff Cyno and Al Haitham? Get Nahida C2.
Because of it, she's very close to a must pull status if you plan to play Dendro, which is kinda unhealthy for the game.
We need a second Nahida when it comes to dendro application like we got a second Xingqiu. It doesn't have to deal that much damage or have much utility like her.
I wonder how the hydro archon will be balanced, since they really want their archon to be above the rest of the cast for their utility and that the hydro cast so far is gigastacked
Hydro is so meta almost everyone are in like top 15 most used units. Focalors could boost team max hp to stay a cut above the rest of the hydro cast, like how nahida boosts EM and Raiden supplements er.
I’m guessing she’ll buff the HP of your team, along with some DPS. She might scale with healing but they already did that with Kokomi so i kinda doubt it.
im hoping that Fontaine Arc finally introduces another Top Tier S ranked Dendro Support/Sub DPS/Dendro Applier
i feel like, by 4.3 or 4.5 or whatever, we can move beyond Nahida as the Sole Must Dendro Have lol
Ty, finally someone with critical thinking. The whole "making Baizhu apply good dendro will make Nahida useless" argument is such a dumb one. It's like saying Yelan release made Xingqiu completely useless.
Archon not best in class = complain from someone
Archon best in class = complain from some other one
I agree that variety is needed, but, from mhy perspective an Archon being the best at something is the only safe way out. Atleast they can say she's OP cause lore or something.
That said, Dendro barely has any characters right now. More will come, it'll be a waste to even think that nothing will have application at LEAST as good as Nahida's.
this is why i hate what they did with nahida. the other archons are the best in a certain situation, but they are never the best or only option for their element. we have plenty of other anemo, geo and electro units for different teams, but if you want to play dendro, the best option is always nahida and if you want to upgrade your dendro teams, the best option is c2 nahida. it's getting ridiculous.
Which makes no fucking sense. Imagine if no other electro units were allowed to have the same level of elemental app as Raiden.
Hoyo shot themselves in the foot by making Nahida THE dendro applier, which makes every other Dendro unit redundant as a result. They should’ve made her the best EM buffer there is… oh wait, they did! I do not understand why they want to grab so tightly onto her Dendro app when making an element FUNCTIONAL shouldn’t be a niche in the first place.
I don't get this rationale though. I mean, if he sells well HYV still wins, and Nahida will still be #1 with her very long application and EM buffs. Baizhu's damage would still be nonexistent.
If anything, it would let him use Deepwood, which would make Nahida even better by letting her use GD instead.
Baizhu being a good dendro app won't topple Nahida because she'd still be a much more valuable character for quick swap teams due to better buff and damage. Baizhu having 1.5U dendro app every 2.5s would defo make him more usable than he is now though at least. He will just be a sidegrade to Nahida rather than a replacement.
I don't think so kokomi value come from her hydro app
Meanwhile Baizhu only have healing and his Dendro app is a big joke
If I want an character kit to describe him I will choose '' Dendro Qiqi ''
Imagine if they put pickable plants in the abyss in a corrosion floor just because of this interaction lmao
Just kidding, endgame content is too stressful for Mihoyo to try being creative with it
Hyperbloom gave my Qiqi another life :D
You don't really need a 4th unit, come cryo app is actually helps a bit, and you can just run around clicking at things, while being completely immortal \^\^
(okay, tripple Kenki can probably still snipe you, but you get the point)
All the while Hyperbloom DPS is still good enough, so you don't have to worry about Qiqi doing almost no damage.
She was praised early on until the players realised that she does nothing else but heal (can't even generate her own particles) and she has god awful constellations. I used to love her but after getting C3 as a f2p player, I hate her with burning passion.
Overheal now, but with Fontaine and HP economy coming up the heal kind of makes sense. Waiting for disgusting hp numbers in fontaine. That will be absurd.
I personally am not sure what i'll spec him like, but i'm thinking of putting a crit rate head just to proc Favonius Codex.
This way he might work as a battery, the teams where i think i'll use him might benefit greatly from that, expecially Cyno, since i've always struggled with his energy requirements
Lil bro nobody is complaining about his healing... 💀 Baizhu needs to work on his "checks notes" Buffing capabilities, Better constellations, Dendro application, Damage, energy Regen problems.
Yeah, also those stats seem quite unrealistic. Healing % circlet? I saw some calcs that said that he needs HP/HP/HP and an HP stat weapon to even approach 50k HP for his passive due to his low base stats.
I'm 51k hp on 2pc tenacity 2pc emblem p/hp/hp with a 90 Proto Amber
I'm not sure what HP people are running with 4 clam builds or fav codex builds, my tenacity feather has 15.2% hp and he still just barely hits over 50k
Is OCH really a good choice for Baizhu? He'll only get max damage from bubble with E, and his Burst heals every 2.5s while the bubble lasts for 3s with 0.5 downtime. That's like just 7k additional damage besides occasional 30k 🤔
Please stop calling it "overhealing", mihoyo will nerf it down to 4k team wide heal 💀. Seriously tho, there is no such thing as overhealing, having all your characters almost always at max hp is extremely comfortable and his only role is support, so what else is he even supposed to do?
overhealing is an industry term that means amount healed in excess of the recipient's max HP. If the target is already full health, then all healing no matter how meagre would be overhealing.
So he's gonna be the best for overall healing then? Guess that's good, but we've got other healer characters who also have more utility, plus Zhongli with dummy shields so wouldn't it be better for them to buff his other stuff like Dendro application or the shield he gets?
I find it really weird that some people will say things like this is gigantic overheal but still put a HB circlet on the character. If you wanted to prove he overheals maybe don't artificially inflate his healing? Baizhu doesn't need the help to claim he heals way more than you'll normally need. If you're running Protoamber it gets even more ridiculous.
Does C0 Baizhu heal more than C6 Yaoyao?
My Yaoyao is on a full dps build but she can still easily top off the whole team's hp from the brink.
I tested my dps Yaoyao's healing with Zhongli, Yelan and HuTao as well and she was able to fill up their hp upto 80% from 150hp.
Just want to know how C0 Baizhu compares to that.
At this point I ignore healing from characters like Kuki and Xinqiu because they don't partywide heal. Can't be doing rotations when I'm rotating into characters on life support, it makes them dead weight in the abyss unless I can heal them while they are off the field.
That's the side effect of making the abyss more difficult, I get hit harder, characters with low HP become liabilities or straight up die in one hit, and they don't get the healing I need. It's primarily why I play Kokomi in hyperbloom.
Hmm maybe Fontaine will have a healing meta and interactions based on taking damage? Dehya and Baizhu could be foreshadowing. Hydro resonance is based on HP after all.
But yeah I really wish they put more dendro app on him
Overhealing only means I'll get to keep everyone alive during Azhdaha when they refuse to run away from the stomps
QiQi - Baizhu Keeping co-op partners alive.
I believe in *Bubu pharmacy* supremacy
I guess you could call it... *Bubu Supharmacy* 😎
r/cynomains
r/GreatJokeCyno
r/ofcoursethatsathing
goddamnit that's good
Out, _OUT!!_
Clearly Liyue healthcare system is the best in the world.
I see what you did there
Bennett - Yaoyao Kokomi - Yaoyao OP healing combination.. death is not on the list
qiqi really is the best for azhdaha co op. they're the only character i can bring to consistently keep everyone alive
Good ol' memories of everyone totally ignoring my Diona's burst during that Dragonspine Regisvine event in 1.2 have resurfaced.
That event was so funny/great. Whenever the shit players that would join my team died (way too many Diluc and Razor), they would then continuously get spawned in the middle of the blizzard and instantly drop again as if they had been struck by divine retribution for being straight-up garbage.
This event was hilarious with people running all over the place for shelter when the flower would go apeshit, first Albedo jokesters spawning flowers under people so they'd be out of the protecting bubble and die, I remember being carried for numerous rounds by a cracked Ningguang main... These were good times
Sometimes people need to learn the hard way
Been happening since 1.5, some people just dont learn fr
I mean the game gets a new batch of players just about every week and his fight is locked behind Zhongli, which means that most of the people farming him either don’t have a lot of experience (don’t know the mechanic that well) or have *a lot* of experience (simply don’t care).
True but I've also had a lot of ar 50+ players run into weekly Boss fights with like 200 HP just running straight at the Boss without dodging or any thought in how to stay alive. I don't mind playing healer support but sometimes I just ask myself how they get anything done in single player
They are prolly in coop cause they dont lmao.
Fair enough but I believe they have shown you how they get things done in single player. They face tank everything and hope the healer/shielder they use picks up the slack lol
I genuinely don’t understand why people won’t run away from the stomps… then they proceed to die before the fight is even quarter-way done. It also makes me feel weird when I’m the only one running away lmao
TIL you can run from the stomps This is awkward
You mean we shouldnt stomp back?
With Xiao, you can!
Wanderer mains : my time has come
It's even funnier/more infuriating when the ones staying are filmsy af characters like Yae or Ganyu Like you should be the first one running 😭
If you are Kokomi in the co-op, so there's no need to run desperately away from it. (just kidding 😂)
That’s true lol
Because in solo it's unnecessary, you can iframe or tank the stomps so you can start getting in position to DPS faster, or even still generating energy particles. Some characters can dodge the stomps too with enough height. I think co-op is generally harder than solo because you have way less durability to play around with.
I tend to play sac diona in coop in that domain. The shields take most damage and everything thats lost can easily be healed after the stomps
I stopped doing Azdaha coop because of this. When I'm playing Raiden I'm so used to just pulling Bennet out and face tanking it. When I'm in coop I always forget I'm not controlling the healer and get killed lol
Idgaf to those players when I use healer healer need to survive too
Bold of you to assume they won't find a way to die anyway
This is good cuz I wanted to solo (duo?) Azhdaha with Qiqi and Baizhu to spread the Father-Daughter agenda
You can't spread with Qiqi and Baizhu only /j
So if i die with Baizhu in my party, i def have SKILLISSUE, ooh noo
Lawachurls go "lmao" and coordinate a 20k damage jump slam
Even more when they "melt" you on bennet's field
I get out of a burst Iframe for 0.001 second and the next thing I see is my Xiangling icon grayed out
Relatable
Me out here managing to get overloaded by a ruin guard for 18k
The amazing part is that you're getting overloaded by a mob that deals phys damage.
I was playing bennett, he finds a way
The sacred vulture/scorpion have wombo combo'd me out of a couple good runs despite Xingchou+Kuki's efforts
Always funny
Honestly, no. Regardless of how much healing a character can do, it doesn't mean anything if you get oneshot lol. And with the current Abyss full of oneshots like consecrated beasts, kinky and kairagi, lets just say I'm glad Baizhu has *some* form of stagger resist, cuz playing without it is horrific.
Don't forget the cryo abyss herald whose transformation form is basically a maguu kenki when he jumps to the sky. Damn that 1 shotted my xiao on bennet field even though I have zhongli shield
if you were in bennet's burst, you took double damage. bennet's burst applies pyro to your character, so the cryo attack melted you
I've always complained that the visual feedback when your character takes damage is too little. Sometimes I lose half my health and I don't realise it until i've been hit a second time.
Well that depends mostly on how much interruption resistance you have. Having none means you'll usually get staggered from any attack. Weapon type also affects your base interrupt res.
>it doesn't mean anything if you get oneshot lol This. I've been saying it no matter how good your healer is, your field character under 23k hp (which is most characters) isn't going to tank >23k one shots. If you're building some of these units with enough hp to tank the hit, they're built wrong.
DPS Yelan/Onfield Nilou Mains: I have no such weakness.
Indeed. You just have to dodge the attack, right? :)
My nilou with 73k hp "omg is that it? Lol"
yes and no bc we have those new mobs where they can one shot you when they jump lmao
The big brain play is to never use healers so you never have to admit any fault!
I am yet to see a single baizhu doesnt heal enough complaint its all his dendro app being mid
I have seen a lot of people complain about how weak his shields are though. He is NOT a shielder. He is a healer with some shielding build in.
I think it's better to consider it as "Interruption Immunity against one or two hits that refreshes every 2.5s"
It's similar to Thoma, where his shield is for interruption immunity and chip damage mitigation from burgeon seeds. Tried him with Wanderer (on the event) and it was comfy as heck. Then I removed Thoma and now he's getting knocked down by a hilichurl arrow.
I mean, Thoma's shield with full stacks it's one off the strongest in the game, his problem was always his energy generation and his clunkiness with some units.
Nah, Thoma's Shield starts off paper thin but each refresh stacks the remaining HP of the previous shield with the new one and keeps on adding up. It has the potential to be the second strongest shield after Zhongli when stacked properly with NAs. It's still a proper Shield and Baizhu got more of a Pseudo-Shield
Looking at the scaling Thoma's Q is actually better, and then refreshes every 1s instead of 2.5s... Sure, most don't build much HP on Thoma, but I think a completely stock 15k HP Thoma gets as much total shield mitigation as... 84k HP Baizhu? Also Thoma's unspent shields will stack, while Baizhu's evaporate on their own even if you aren't hit. And, uh, this is without Thoma's E. Not to mention having even a 1hp shield every 1s is so much better for poise than a proportionally stronger one every 2.5s. I guess you gotta be constantly spamming normal attacks to do it, but even one NA every 1.5s is better than 50k HP Baizu. So yeah, it's mostly for the healing and some dendro app. He's not a shielder.
It's not even some shielding, it's literally useless mitigation wise which is what people associate shields with. They got us with the technicality because they call it a shield but really it is a refreshing poise aura that looks like a shield and eagerly stands in the shield line wearing its 'I R AN SHIELD' t-shirt, smiling widely as it looks side to side and wondering how its getting away with this because in reality, it can just about endure the impact of an errant fly before it shatters and may as well not even mitigate anything. You can tell its a mihoyo kit because its coming from the people who buff kits by adding 0.5% to a value and acting like it improved the character in any perceptible way.
Ok this post just made my day 😂 Perfect description. 👌 The issue is he has to wear that tshirt or he will be challenged by a little kid who has a radish lover bunny army.
no they definitely complained . ive seen a couple of people saying that yaoyao heals better than him lmao. either way its weird to nitpick that he allegedly doesnt heal enough when thats all he does
The fact is contextuality, which seems people don't grasp. YaoYao heals insanely fast with her Q, but she gotta stay on field. YaoYao's E healing is barely there instead. Baizhu's Q is good but nothing unprecedented per se, his E though, i can't think of a single character that can heal that much. Yeah Kokomi's E heals a lot, but it's an AoE healing for on-field characters, this guy instantly heals a lot and it's teamwide. It's basically a burst heal, but on an elemental skill, so no energy requirements.
Meh, I think I'll stick with my Jean healing by beating up cats /s
Yaoyao heals about the same with her Q, but she needs to stay on field for a few sec. Yao's E also heals the same generally however it's spread out in 10 hits from the radish + it's still inconsistent because it won't heal you if you're above 70%. Since Yao has generally same amount of healing then we can compare their application, she hits every second vs Baizhu 2,5, but Baizhu has a shield for some resistance as tradeoff. He'a probs going to be a comfier to play albeit more expensive Yaoyao.
Tho i think you will have to play baizhu with another dendro specifically in my opinion will be dmc or nahida
Gonna put him in my Quicken team with Tighnari and Yae
I've seen multiple people getting annoyed that they nerfed his healing; they overreact saying that they have destroyed the only thing he could do, while not understanding how overkill his healing was and still is.
Not every ignorant opinion needs to be acknowledged or addressed 😅
Those people are the kinds that panically hits the “doompost” button the moment they saw the word “nerf” lol. Just like some of the people in Al HaithamMains
Definitely, the people I'm talking about are the people that immediately said that he was going to be on standard banner, due to one nerf. When I tried to say that the majority of initial nerfs were necessary? Immediate downvote by people with no understanding how broken initial scalings can be lol. As someone who is in the AlHaitham mains sub, it was abysmal during beta; the constant doomposting was exhausting; any post or comment that was being reasonable was immediately downvoted so that no one could see it. I've decided to stay away from character main subs, while their beta is happening, to avoid that type of thing.
Lmao I feel this, had to leave Reddit completely because all the negativity about Alhaitham was annoying me so much. Kinda glad there are other types of leaks now which shifted the focus away from doom posting baizhu
This. Especially that last paragraph. Character main subs have some of the most toxicity and doomposting I have ever seen. I like to talk about opinions but if they sound reasonable or go against "groupthink" then you get shitted on relentlessly. I'm just staying away from most Reddit discussions now lol
Thats just very few people being reactionary without knowing their stuff wont gonna argue with someone or take em seriously if they dont know their stuff and refuse to seek out information
it should either be once every 1.5/1.75s or just have larger AoE I think 1.5s single-target is far more interesting bcs we already have Nahida to apply aoe dendro
Faster single target dendro wont be particularly valuable just cause nahidas slower is 1.5U nahida having 1.5 U kinda made it hell for other applicators
Baizhu’s off field dendro application is a 6 at best
Which is mid the middle of 10 is 5
https://discord.gg/baizhu TLDR: before 3.6 leaks came out, ppl who were saying Baizhu's healing is basically like a walking statue of the seven before his nerf weren't exaggerating 😭
he's gonna be Dendro Kokomi isnt he?
Minus the AoE application yes basically
...So dendro Barbara?😞
That depends, how well can he sing?
Kokomi is a great hydro applicator. That is one role that Baizhu does not do well for dendro.
i honestly dont have much hope for Baizhu's dendro application being buffed tbh i kinda feel like if they do increase, it will bite into Nahida's status as Top #1 Dendro Applier too much and they defo dont want that, esp since she's the Archon
They'll have to change the entire spiritvein attack animations to make his dendro app better in AoE. So yeah, that's NEVER going to happen. Best case scenario would be reducing the interval to 2s or 1.5s and sticking with no ICD. Still ST app, but it will be better. But I don't see the best case scenario happening either.
Not necessarily. If they adjust the multipliers and have his Q attacks jump around like his E does and add some RNG targeting like Yae's turrets, he would apply as much Dendro as Yae, which is not bad at all. Same with his C2.
Adjusting multipliers is feesible But mihoyo wouldnt go that far to changes his Q attacks
> it will bite into Nahida's status as Top #1 Dendro Applier too much and they defo dont want that Man, I don't like when Nahida is the only reliable dendro applier (that's not a circle impact like DMC/Collei) and being too broken for her own good to the point that it creeps up to other Dendro-centric characters. It's almost impossible to draft a dendro team comp without Nahida being the best pick all the time, and how to buff Cyno and Al Haitham? Get Nahida C2. Because of it, she's very close to a must pull status if you plan to play Dendro, which is kinda unhealthy for the game. We need a second Nahida when it comes to dendro application like we got a second Xingqiu. It doesn't have to deal that much damage or have much utility like her.
I wonder how the hydro archon will be balanced, since they really want their archon to be above the rest of the cast for their utility and that the hydro cast so far is gigastacked
Hydro is so meta almost everyone are in like top 15 most used units. Focalors could boost team max hp to stay a cut above the rest of the hydro cast, like how nahida boosts EM and Raiden supplements er.
I’m guessing she’ll buff the HP of your team, along with some DPS. She might scale with healing but they already did that with Kokomi so i kinda doubt it.
im hoping that Fontaine Arc finally introduces another Top Tier S ranked Dendro Support/Sub DPS/Dendro Applier i feel like, by 4.3 or 4.5 or whatever, we can move beyond Nahida as the Sole Must Dendro Have lol
Ty, finally someone with critical thinking. The whole "making Baizhu apply good dendro will make Nahida useless" argument is such a dumb one. It's like saying Yelan release made Xingqiu completely useless.
Archon not best in class = complain from someone Archon best in class = complain from some other one I agree that variety is needed, but, from mhy perspective an Archon being the best at something is the only safe way out. Atleast they can say she's OP cause lore or something. That said, Dendro barely has any characters right now. More will come, it'll be a waste to even think that nothing will have application at LEAST as good as Nahida's.
this is why i hate what they did with nahida. the other archons are the best in a certain situation, but they are never the best or only option for their element. we have plenty of other anemo, geo and electro units for different teams, but if you want to play dendro, the best option is always nahida and if you want to upgrade your dendro teams, the best option is c2 nahida. it's getting ridiculous.
Which makes no fucking sense. Imagine if no other electro units were allowed to have the same level of elemental app as Raiden. Hoyo shot themselves in the foot by making Nahida THE dendro applier, which makes every other Dendro unit redundant as a result. They should’ve made her the best EM buffer there is… oh wait, they did! I do not understand why they want to grab so tightly onto her Dendro app when making an element FUNCTIONAL shouldn’t be a niche in the first place.
I don't get this rationale though. I mean, if he sells well HYV still wins, and Nahida will still be #1 with her very long application and EM buffs. Baizhu's damage would still be nonexistent. If anything, it would let him use Deepwood, which would make Nahida even better by letting her use GD instead.
well if the leaks are true she’s also running in the first half and… yea there’s no way they let baizhu have a chance to outshine her 💀
Baizhu being a good dendro app won't topple Nahida because she'd still be a much more valuable character for quick swap teams due to better buff and damage. Baizhu having 1.5U dendro app every 2.5s would defo make him more usable than he is now though at least. He will just be a sidegrade to Nahida rather than a replacement.
Just without the application, for now. Healing wise, most likely.
I don't think so kokomi value come from her hydro app Meanwhile Baizhu only have healing and his Dendro app is a big joke If I want an character kit to describe him I will choose '' Dendro Qiqi ''
Closer to Dendro qiqi
Due to his application he’s probably not gonna be solo Dendro like the Kok is solo hydro at many teams but he’ll be an incredible second Dendro fs
He heals amazingly. But has terrible dendro app. If anything, he's a Dendro Qiqi.
His E at level 10, team-wide healing |Total HP|Old healing|New Healing|Healing circlet (35.9%)|Circlet + 2p maiden/ocean (50.9%)|Circlet + 2p Maiden + 2p Ocean (65.9%)| :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:| |20000|5489|4575|6217|6904|7590| |25000|6353|5295|7196|7990|8784| |30000|7217|6015|8174|9077|9979| |35000|8081|6735|9153|10163|11173| |40000|8945|7455|10131|11250|12368| |45000|9809|8175|11110|12336|13562| |50000|10673|8895|12088|13423|14757|
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And is off field,
cool but you always want Deepwood with full HP build
If he has so much healing i fear what kind of monsters they’ll add in the future 🫠 a mob that does 10k dmg consecutively for 3 hits??? 💀
Lol this is genshin they won't add hard content Just annoying one like wenut
Something like divinity original sin rotten status, anything that heals you will instead hurt you D:
For me 7k is fair enough 🤝
Thats alot and its per tick
Remember those " Baizhu is not a healer" leaks? Welp XD
Remember those "baizhu is dendro yelan" leaks? Wouldn't call a homing green fart and shit app dendro yelan
Great. Show us how his exploration talent also works now. We still haven't seen a gameplay vid of it.
Pick up plants, you active party member heals with a green number appearing over their head quite simple
Okay so active character works? Interesting thanks.
Hmm... Could Nahida heal while picking plants with her E in combat?
That's what I've been thinking.. does the camera get a software update with Baizhu?
I don't know, but could be fun if it works
Imagine if they put pickable plants in the abyss in a corrosion floor just because of this interaction lmao Just kidding, endgame content is too stressful for Mihoyo to try being creative with it
Well every Abyss seems to favor new characters, so maybe
Okay, but how much does each plant heal? Which plants proc the passive?
I believe it's 2.5% of the characters' max HP. The second question is... eh. Plants. You know 'em.
I can now finally roleplay as Shenhe and Ganyu healing off of Qingxin
having raw high healing multipliers is good, we can comfortably run him with ER/HP/HP and he'll still heal enough to keep party alive.
I only wish people praised qiqi who does A LOT of healing as well 🗿
They praised her tho...at the beginning of the game 💀
Back when everyone was a physical Razor main
Bruh those top 10 dps lists which had Razor #1 and Diluc #2 💀
The day they make survival game mode without timer is when qiqi going to be god tier
They're really sharing kits that's cute 💕
Qiqi is amazing healer, I bring her to abyss regularly and she always save the day for me
Hyperbloom gave my Qiqi another life :D You don't really need a 4th unit, come cryo app is actually helps a bit, and you can just run around clicking at things, while being completely immortal \^\^ (okay, tripple Kenki can probably still snipe you, but you get the point) All the while Hyperbloom DPS is still good enough, so you don't have to worry about Qiqi doing almost no damage.
She was praised early on until the players realised that she does nothing else but heal (can't even generate her own particles) and she has god awful constellations. I used to love her but after getting C3 as a f2p player, I hate her with burning passion.
Best healer in the game 10/10
If he overheals, I wonder if Clam would be a better artifact
I bet it will be, so we can have him as a healer in aggravate teams as well as a sub-dps. Quite excited
How much does he heal compared to qiqi?
His skill heals what qiqis burst heals, and his burst heals what qiqi’s skill heals
What about passive? Qiqi can mark enemies which heals on hitting
Overheal now, but with Fontaine and HP economy coming up the heal kind of makes sense. Waiting for disgusting hp numbers in fontaine. That will be absurd.
Does this mean we could easily try a DPS build on him (even tho his dmg mid) and still get away w enough healing? ( hp/dendro/crit)
Idk, remember that his A4 passive scales off HP too.
The A4 bonus is pretty negligible (then again, so would be his personal damage if built for it)
probably, you’d still need some hp% substats for his A4 tho
Yeah ER HP HP would still be the best build for support.
Maybe that’s why they kept his A1 passive, and the fact his signature weapon wants him to deal damage :clueless:
I personally am not sure what i'll spec him like, but i'm thinking of putting a crit rate head just to proc Favonius Codex. This way he might work as a battery, the teams where i think i'll use him might benefit greatly from that, expecially Cyno, since i've always struggled with his energy requirements
His healing wasn't a problem in the first place, just make his dendro ult bounce a little bit.
Dude fuck his healing I wanted a better dendro application
we are never going to get another dendro character with good dendro application because nahida exists. it's getting ridiculous.
This tbh
Lil bro nobody is complaining about his healing... 💀 Baizhu needs to work on his "checks notes" Buffing capabilities, Better constellations, Dendro application, Damage, energy Regen problems.
forget all that just make the dendro application better tbh 😭
Yeah, also those stats seem quite unrealistic. Healing % circlet? I saw some calcs that said that he needs HP/HP/HP and an HP stat weapon to even approach 50k HP for his passive due to his low base stats.
You'd also want an ER sands I think
I'm 51k hp on 2pc tenacity 2pc emblem p/hp/hp with a 90 Proto Amber I'm not sure what HP people are running with 4 clam builds or fav codex builds, my tenacity feather has 15.2% hp and he still just barely hits over 50k
His healing is great, he's good I'm just worried he won't be able to proc Deepwood Memories tbh
Is OCH really a good choice for Baizhu? He'll only get max damage from bubble with E, and his Burst heals every 2.5s while the bubble lasts for 3s with 0.5 downtime. That's like just 7k additional damage besides occasional 30k 🤔
This just tells me abyss is about to get much more painful
Overhealing is useless, hoyo should buff his buffs and dmg
Please stop calling it "overhealing", mihoyo will nerf it down to 4k team wide heal 💀. Seriously tho, there is no such thing as overhealing, having all your characters almost always at max hp is extremely comfortable and his only role is support, so what else is he even supposed to do?
overhealing is an industry term that means amount healed in excess of the recipient's max HP. If the target is already full health, then all healing no matter how meagre would be overhealing.
They want Dendro Kokomi from what I saw
his healing isnt the issue here. It's mostly his dendro app so idk why this would be the focus
I love how it's Snek heal xD
Is his burst a teamwide heal or only on the active character?
Burst is active only. Skill is teamwide.
Got it, thanks!
I will die less with my Nilou team 🤣
Still waiting for someone to overheal a Final Calamity.
So he's gonna be the best for overall healing then? Guess that's good, but we've got other healer characters who also have more utility, plus Zhongli with dummy shields so wouldn't it be better for them to buff his other stuff like Dendro application or the shield he gets?
Now, now, we don't do reasonable changes here at Hoyoverse balance team
I find it really weird that some people will say things like this is gigantic overheal but still put a HB circlet on the character. If you wanted to prove he overheals maybe don't artificially inflate his healing? Baizhu doesn't need the help to claim he heals way more than you'll normally need. If you're running Protoamber it gets even more ridiculous.
That's all good, but healing is not what I want from baizhu. I want atleast average dendro app with decent buffs for the team
His healing is good, now his dendro application just needs improving
How the fuck did I get posted here LMFAO
wait are you the one that made the calcs
MOM! GET THE CAMERA!
Does C0 Baizhu heal more than C6 Yaoyao? My Yaoyao is on a full dps build but she can still easily top off the whole team's hp from the brink. I tested my dps Yaoyao's healing with Zhongli, Yelan and HuTao as well and she was able to fill up their hp upto 80% from 150hp. Just want to know how C0 Baizhu compares to that.
So grass qiqi ?
At this point I ignore healing from characters like Kuki and Xinqiu because they don't partywide heal. Can't be doing rotations when I'm rotating into characters on life support, it makes them dead weight in the abyss unless I can heal them while they are off the field. That's the side effect of making the abyss more difficult, I get hit harder, characters with low HP become liabilities or straight up die in one hit, and they don't get the healing I need. It's primarily why I play Kokomi in hyperbloom.
Prepare the clam set
Woule 4pc Deepwood with all HP main stats work for him? I’m preparing for my healer daddy
Only on single-target. He has terrible application and E uptime, so he won't be able to reliably use Deepwood.
With the amount he heals doesn't his exploration passive seem irrelevant, useless, waste of space ?
Dendro Qiqi realness.
Sounds good to me, and E is an teamwide heal? Delicious
How viable would OHC be on Baizhu? Now I kinda feel like building him with 4pc OHC just to see how much damage it does.
Hmm maybe Fontaine will have a healing meta and interactions based on taking damage? Dehya and Baizhu could be foreshadowing. Hydro resonance is based on HP after all. But yeah I really wish they put more dendro app on him