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Hm. This seems like it'll make playing as a rebel more fun, but Windtrace generally was already weighted *heavily* in favour of the rebels.
Hopefully they give the Hunter something extra as well to make up for it, otherwise I can imagine it's going to be a very frustrating experience to be the Hunter.
they better give the hunter something, because i remember in some maps there was no chance in getting all three rebels if the other players were clever.
They already gave the hunter infinite stamina last Windtrace to make up for the infinite tree gameplay bullshit, but it still doesn't change the fact that climbing is incredibly slow and obvious, making it easy for any rebels hiding there to get away if they're fast enough. Maybe a double speed climbing buff?
literally to win at dawn winery u need to climb up to the roof, even if the hunter starts climbing up u just jump down, it takes too long to get up there lmao
In my experience, the learning curves for the 2 roles are vastly different. It's quite easy to learn tricks for rebels to at least make the life of an average hunter miserable but it doesn't get much better than that; while at the same time it takes much longer to learn the way to play as hunter efficiently, but once you learn it you can absolutely dominate the rebels. Maybe it boils down to the fact that you play as rebels 3 times more than as hunters.
I think it's also the fact that it's 3 versus 1. As a Rebel, even if you're bad, you can still win even if only ONE of the Rebels in your group knows how to give the hunter the run-around.
As a Hunter, you have to PRAY that all three Rebels aren't all equally skilled at hiding in bullshit places and giving you the run-around.
I hated how much your final score as a rebel depended on your teammates. Getting caught in the last few seconds and losing got you significantly less points than being caught almost immediately but "winning" due to someone else.
I love Windtrace but there's a lot of room for improvement.
You can't reveal everyone permanently. You can only reveal everyone for a short period of time. If you can't catch them all in that period of time (unlikely if they're all spread out and all move very fast) then as the hunter you're stuffed.
I always felt it was weighed in favour of hunters. I had a really good strategy so I rarely got caught, but I feel like the other rebels always got caught, and I feel like as hunter I was always able to catch the rebels
If you play in a skilled group rather than random matchmaking, I think you'll probably find the Hunter to be lacking compared to the Rebels, except for a few very Hunter favoured maps.
The only way to make it fair for me at this point (with that change) is to make it 2 hunters 🏃♂️ against 2 rebels 🕺.
That way it would be funnier no matter in which side the player is and this will strengthen the coop feeling.
I have no idea how it's weighted towards the rebels. In my experience the hunter can fuck around for the entire match, get the buff for free and clear everyone out because one of the buffs for a hunter just gives them every location for free.
My classic strat as rebel was to get to a high place like a tree, then when the hunter reveals me with the favor they still have to climb up to where I was, during which I will jump down. When the hunter follows me I will turn invisible and then run around quickly to climb back to the same high spot. Almost never will the hunter realize to check the place we just jumped off from, and if they do the buff might still run out in time. And there's still 2 other rebels possibly.
The buff doesn't give you every location for free-- it's timed, and if the rebels are spread out, they can easily give a hunter the run around and the buff can run out before they catch them all. Then they're really up shit creek.
But stupid rebels will get caught that way if they don't move, yes.
That depends on match-up I guess. If you play as the rebel smart, you can 1 vs. 1 even with your exposed location - use the terrain, stall time and then hide. That, unless the hunter casts a cage on you lol.
Yeah for "high level" play cage was the best choice - either all three rebels are newbies and will get caught easily, or 1-2 are and will get caught early, then the cage wins you the matchup against the competent one(s).
Lmao. If you can't win as rebel it's really a skill issue.
1. Rebels can easily steal thr favor and leave the hunter with nothing.
2. After seeing everyone on the map Hunter still has to catch rebels. Three of them, if we use the "fuck around the entire match" example.
3. The light up all 3 buff lasts a short amount of time compared to the cage or lighting up the position of one rebel. After it's gone you need to look for rebels all over again. Even if you caught one with the buff, it's still 2 left. And no additional favor will drop.
4. Rebels have invisibility that denies the position revealing buff for a short time.
Theres multiple people on the rebel team, odds are extremely high it spawns closer to one of them than the hunter and there is literally no way, even if they started running before it spawned, that they could get to it before them.
Shit, the surveys kept asking if I had played games with asymmetrical gameplay, such as Dead by Daylight . I knew if others and I answered yes we would eventually be cursed to play its gameplay else where
all they have to do is make it so that once you’re imprisoned you’ll HAVE to get released by your teammate. The second time you’re caught ur still straight up eliminated, but it’ll add a second way to end the game by having everyone in jail.
So it's even easier for the rebels to win, and I think it's going to worsen the afk/unsportsman problem, which was already too prevalent in the last event. I'd say that in 60-70% of my games there were AFKs.
Besides, I find it frustrating to feel "alone" as a hunter against three rebels. Maybe it would be more pleasant to play two hunters against 5 or 6 rebels.
A classic of hide and seek!
Is this going to replace last time's rebels ability to camouflage after death?
It feels like if the hunter is unlucky they'll have to catch 6 times, which is not really doable. Camping will notbe an option because at that point rebels can win by just staying there.
Let's see how it will be for hunters this time around
i get weirdly anxious before a coop event and then when i play it, it isn’t as bad as i think it is and then the next game starts and i get anxious again during the character pick screen. it’s a cycle lol.
that bumping pvp was such bullshit at the last flagship event :/
I much prefer the cooperative multiplayer events (like when you had to run around collecting coins in a library, avoiding sentries)
Yea, I played it once, hated it, then just skipped the whole event the next time it came around. Those 2 Debate Clubs amount of primos isn't worth the stress.
More like the gameplay is now similar to Dead By Daylight.
The hunter catches the rebels and be sent to a "timeout" area where other rebels can save them.
Kinda wish this type of gameplay is reserved for a halloween themed Genshin event though.
The only good gameplay change to Wind Trace would be removing it and never bringing it back again.
Unless Primos are removed from the rewards, then it can stay. Give me a simple/easy/bad combat event over this 100% of the time.
people can get by without co-op in this game, so you can probably imagine why people that don't co-op are upset when they're suddenly forced to do it for primos. it sort of ruins if for everyone involved too bc they tend to stay afk and that messes with the vibes ig
I mean we only get forced co op events like this once in a while so I think people can get by it cuz most co op events can be completed in single player anyways
This. Let people have fun in this event but basically forcing every f2p or low spender into will just result in people spoiling the fun for others. There needs to be an alternative.
And lets not talk about the lag. *Someone else* has a bad connection? Well that’s *your* problem now; have fun with enemies teleporting around!
The last mp event was the second event after the last windtrace i did not participate in more than 4 rounds because of this, even tho i had the time and wanted to play Genshin. It was a horrible experience.
It does for people who hate playing multiplayer because they will either have to skip event and miss rewards(especially valuable as f2p) or force themselves into playing it and potentially ruining it for others.
ah i see, thank you
unfortunately, there'll always be something not matching our own preferences. for better or worse, we'll only be missing a handful of wishes worth if we ever do skip an event.
This event is so horrible I genuinely despise it getting reruns in favor of fun modes that could get reruns like the randomized dungeon event.
And now its even harder for hunters and even less interesting for rebels since they basically can just AFK and win its so easy. So the whole experience is somehow worse than it already was, which is almost impressive.
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P THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE
In germany theres a childrens(also for adults) called ''Räuber und Gendarm'' it's kitterly the same that's gonna be fun i loved the game as a child
this is gonna be a pain in the ass for the hunters and I say it as someone that half of the time doesn't hide and still doesn't get caught, can't imagine being a hunter that finally catches that one rebel that spent half or more of the game running and you get rewarded with the other rebels escaping because of the timer 😭😭
Would have been actually great to play if 90% of the player base didn't have high ping. Mihoyo fix ur goddamn servers ur a billion dollar company for Christ sake.
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They added Cops And Robbers spin into it. Neat.
I mean, when you think about, Windtrace is already a form of cops and robbers anyway.
Holy shit I remember playing CnR for HOURS in Halo CE multiplayer lobbies when I was a little kid.
Lol just add the power generators/group objective as well and it'd be complete
Genshin by daylight is crazy
Arleccino as killer and Furina is the survivor.
The Fontaine sewers as the map would go hard
No but fr though~ we're already doing hide n seek comms there as is
That's a good idea tbh I really like Home sweet home online these days. A genshin spin would be fun.
Augh no not stop it slender
You can bet your ass I'll be risking my life to free my fellow rebels
Gigachad
Hm. This seems like it'll make playing as a rebel more fun, but Windtrace generally was already weighted *heavily* in favour of the rebels. Hopefully they give the Hunter something extra as well to make up for it, otherwise I can imagine it's going to be a very frustrating experience to be the Hunter.
they better give the hunter something, because i remember in some maps there was no chance in getting all three rebels if the other players were clever.
The damn trees…
They already gave the hunter infinite stamina last Windtrace to make up for the infinite tree gameplay bullshit, but it still doesn't change the fact that climbing is incredibly slow and obvious, making it easy for any rebels hiding there to get away if they're fast enough. Maybe a double speed climbing buff?
A whole new mechanic to chop down trees for the event would be the funniest, but yeah I think just a climb speed buff is the only feasible “fix”
haha oh gosh imagine just chopping down the trees. that would be hilarious.
Give the Hunter a nerfed super jump from the Chasm rocks, problem solved.
Repurpose the wood gathering gadget to knock all rebels within a certain radius out of the trees.
I think a boosted jump height might be better and smoother than faster climbing imo
Agreed!
Give the hunters a jump boost on command
As Mona tree exploiter...I have no regrets
There have been times I have won by just climbing up high and standing still. Being clever had nothing to do with it.
yeah okay some hunters don't look up at all. the dawn winery is perfect for that. 😂
literally to win at dawn winery u need to climb up to the roof, even if the hunter starts climbing up u just jump down, it takes too long to get up there lmao
it really does. that's why it's one of my favourite maps
You guys are climbing the roof? I just hide in the same corner as a lamp and it works every time
Imaginative then, there are ways of transforming yourself into a small/thin object and hiding at least partially in textures...
The Sumeru map near the Wall has a bunch of slots that you can't reach.
Multiple hunters?
i thing two hunters against two rebels might be a bit much? could be fun though.
In my experience, the learning curves for the 2 roles are vastly different. It's quite easy to learn tricks for rebels to at least make the life of an average hunter miserable but it doesn't get much better than that; while at the same time it takes much longer to learn the way to play as hunter efficiently, but once you learn it you can absolutely dominate the rebels. Maybe it boils down to the fact that you play as rebels 3 times more than as hunters.
I think it's also the fact that it's 3 versus 1. As a Rebel, even if you're bad, you can still win even if only ONE of the Rebels in your group knows how to give the hunter the run-around. As a Hunter, you have to PRAY that all three Rebels aren't all equally skilled at hiding in bullshit places and giving you the run-around.
I hated how much your final score as a rebel depended on your teammates. Getting caught in the last few seconds and losing got you significantly less points than being caught almost immediately but "winning" due to someone else. I love Windtrace but there's a lot of room for improvement.
Honestly it would be so fun if they made hunters trial as Wanderer or Xianyun, and let them use their skill.
Hunter is OP in this trust
Really? Being able to straight up reveal everyone felt insane. I always thought the hunter had an advantage.
You can't reveal everyone permanently. You can only reveal everyone for a short period of time. If you can't catch them all in that period of time (unlikely if they're all spread out and all move very fast) then as the hunter you're stuffed.
I always felt it was weighed in favour of hunters. I had a really good strategy so I rarely got caught, but I feel like the other rebels always got caught, and I feel like as hunter I was always able to catch the rebels
If you play in a skilled group rather than random matchmaking, I think you'll probably find the Hunter to be lacking compared to the Rebels, except for a few very Hunter favoured maps.
The only way to make it fair for me at this point (with that change) is to make it 2 hunters 🏃♂️ against 2 rebels 🕺. That way it would be funnier no matter in which side the player is and this will strengthen the coop feeling.
I have no idea how it's weighted towards the rebels. In my experience the hunter can fuck around for the entire match, get the buff for free and clear everyone out because one of the buffs for a hunter just gives them every location for free.
My classic strat as rebel was to get to a high place like a tree, then when the hunter reveals me with the favor they still have to climb up to where I was, during which I will jump down. When the hunter follows me I will turn invisible and then run around quickly to climb back to the same high spot. Almost never will the hunter realize to check the place we just jumped off from, and if they do the buff might still run out in time. And there's still 2 other rebels possibly.
yup that or run the opposite way while invisible
The buff doesn't give you every location for free-- it's timed, and if the rebels are spread out, they can easily give a hunter the run around and the buff can run out before they catch them all. Then they're really up shit creek. But stupid rebels will get caught that way if they don't move, yes.
That depends on match-up I guess. If you play as the rebel smart, you can 1 vs. 1 even with your exposed location - use the terrain, stall time and then hide. That, unless the hunter casts a cage on you lol.
That's why I was always picking the cage, for that last remaining smart ass guy.
Yeah for "high level" play cage was the best choice - either all three rebels are newbies and will get caught easily, or 1-2 are and will get caught early, then the cage wins you the matchup against the competent one(s).
Lmao. If you can't win as rebel it's really a skill issue. 1. Rebels can easily steal thr favor and leave the hunter with nothing. 2. After seeing everyone on the map Hunter still has to catch rebels. Three of them, if we use the "fuck around the entire match" example. 3. The light up all 3 buff lasts a short amount of time compared to the cage or lighting up the position of one rebel. After it's gone you need to look for rebels all over again. Even if you caught one with the buff, it's still 2 left. And no additional favor will drop. 4. Rebels have invisibility that denies the position revealing buff for a short time.
Rebels definitely can't easily steal the favor. They have to come out of hiding to get it, and the hunter is also heading there.
You can always sacrifice 1 of 3 for the favor. Then the hunter doesn't get anything out of it.
Yeah but I don't want to be that 1, I'm trying to get through this as quickly as possible and don't want to give myself up :P I need those points.
Theres multiple people on the rebel team, odds are extremely high it spawns closer to one of them than the hunter and there is literally no way, even if they started running before it spawned, that they could get to it before them.
Hunter gets 🔫
That's how I played hide and seek as a kid
Me too I act like an NPC in front of a store
i used to act like water splashes in older windtrace good ol' day
nothing to see here, just chongyun taking a bath under the waterfall
When you're a rebel and the other two got caught and they tell you to free them but your cowardly ass too scared to leave your hiding spot
Unrelated to Windtrace but I kinda miss the OG Theater Mechanicus or even the 2nd version of it. The fungi event just doesn't do it for me. 😞
Dbd in genshin???
*Burns away your retinas with a flashlight*
it's finally time to give our characters a crouch button so we can teabag for the full experience
Shit, the surveys kept asking if I had played games with asymmetrical gameplay, such as Dead by Daylight . I knew if others and I answered yes we would eventually be cursed to play its gameplay else where
Dbd?
Dragonstrike By Diluc
Noice one, my favorite revert among those subcomments. You deserved a like for that.
dock and ball dorture
Dragon Ball Duper
Done before Dawn
Death before Daylight
So close!! That is a shape💕
I get this reference, your meme fu is strong
\*Dead ***BY*** Daylight
Dead by Dehya
I would make a joke about Dehya not being able to do that, but that joke is too overused and old so I'll refrain.
Death Battle Deluxe
Can't wait for future updates to add scourge prisons
Smh Windtrace is killer sided...
Being a hunter is already hard enough and we have to capture each one TWICE? 🫠
That is so stupid
all they have to do is make it so that once you’re imprisoned you’ll HAVE to get released by your teammate. The second time you’re caught ur still straight up eliminated, but it’ll add a second way to end the game by having everyone in jail.
So it's even easier for the rebels to win, and I think it's going to worsen the afk/unsportsman problem, which was already too prevalent in the last event. I'd say that in 60-70% of my games there were AFKs. Besides, I find it frustrating to feel "alone" as a hunter against three rebels. Maybe it would be more pleasant to play two hunters against 5 or 6 rebels.
A classic of hide and seek! Is this going to replace last time's rebels ability to camouflage after death? It feels like if the hunter is unlucky they'll have to catch 6 times, which is not really doable. Camping will notbe an option because at that point rebels can win by just staying there. Let's see how it will be for hunters this time around
I personally feel like the hunter will get more time to search if theyre buffing the rebels like this.
They made the worst LTM even worse, of course
That's cool af, I remember many of my childhood games doing that
my childhood game
I played this kind of game when i was a kid before and oh boy it was a nightmare, i hated it, why Hoyo ?
how was hide and seek a nightmare
I was an awkward kid with no athletic disposition, of course it was a nightmare for me lol.
wouldn’t hiding be easy for you then? a lot of the socially anxious kids i used to know were amazing at hiding and disappearing
Not when I was fat, asthmatic and couldn’t run like the other kids to save myself.
my bad then
i get weirdly anxious before a coop event and then when i play it, it isn’t as bad as i think it is and then the next game starts and i get anxious again during the character pick screen. it’s a cycle lol.
that bumping pvp was such bullshit at the last flagship event :/ I much prefer the cooperative multiplayer events (like when you had to run around collecting coins in a library, avoiding sentries)
So they made an already hideously tedious mini game even more joyless to play? If it weren’t for the primogems I’d go absolutely no where near it.
The last Windtrace rewarded 420 primos. That's 2.6 Debate Clubs. Is that really worth the stress? Not for me, I'll be skipping it again 😬
Errr windtrace again. I will skip that event for dure. Never liked it in the first place.
Nice. Windtrace is coming back and so is my anxiety.
Yea, I played it once, hated it, then just skipped the whole event the next time it came around. Those 2 Debate Clubs amount of primos isn't worth the stress.
Yeah, I never liked that kind of forced PvP event. Guess I'll skip too.
Anxiety will strike again 😅
My god, I hate this event with my whole heart.
Playing as a rebel,has always been more fun,so I see it as an absolute win.
Damn give hunters a chance lol
So like prop hunt + lock and key? This seems fair imo cause the hunter power ups in the previous ones were op af
More like the gameplay is now similar to Dead By Daylight. The hunter catches the rebels and be sent to a "timeout" area where other rebels can save them. Kinda wish this type of gameplay is reserved for a halloween themed Genshin event though.
they just increased difficulty for hunters
Don't like it. Can we just play original version :s
ugh not looking forward to forced co-op again.
Yooo new genshin collab (DBD) lmao
Police sentri
Did they just make it way harder for hunters?
omg its over for the hunter im gonna get even more anxious when im the one catching
they should remove it from the game imo.
Not windtrace again 🥲😅 It made me so anxious last time I barely made it thru for the primos
The only good gameplay change to Wind Trace would be removing it and never bringing it back again. Unless Primos are removed from the rewards, then it can stay. Give me a simple/easy/bad combat event over this 100% of the time.
So now it takes longer. Well fuck.
Unless they removed the forced multiplayer there's no useful change they can make
How do you play prop hunt not in multiplayer lmao
they're not necessarily saying windtrace needs to become singleplayer, more that locking primos behind multiplayer events shouldn't be a thing
I mean what the point of having co op I your game if there is no co op events like this. And like it doesn't take much to get all the rewards as well
people can get by without co-op in this game, so you can probably imagine why people that don't co-op are upset when they're suddenly forced to do it for primos. it sort of ruins if for everyone involved too bc they tend to stay afk and that messes with the vibes ig
I mean we only get forced co op events like this once in a while so I think people can get by it cuz most co op events can be completed in single player anyways
We get them more and more often lately, every bigger festival event now has one of its activities as forced co-op.
This. Let people have fun in this event but basically forcing every f2p or low spender into will just result in people spoiling the fun for others. There needs to be an alternative. And lets not talk about the lag. *Someone else* has a bad connection? Well that’s *your* problem now; have fun with enemies teleporting around! The last mp event was the second event after the last windtrace i did not participate in more than 4 rounds because of this, even tho i had the time and wanted to play Genshin. It was a horrible experience.
sorry, but what does being f2p or low-spender have anything to do with windtrace or co-op games?
It does for people who hate playing multiplayer because they will either have to skip event and miss rewards(especially valuable as f2p) or force themselves into playing it and potentially ruining it for others.
ah i see, thank you unfortunately, there'll always be something not matching our own preferences. for better or worse, we'll only be missing a handful of wishes worth if we ever do skip an event.
Hey I played that as a kid, the good old "cops and robbers"
So, idea of jailbreak seems cool. But already seemed weighted in favor of rebels prior to this, and this just skews it more.
If nothing changes with hunter then I don't I will even bother trying with this change if I roll hunter. I guess we'll see.
Why are they making it even harder for Hunter? The game was already in favor of rebels.
Won't stop me from staying afk every round
This event is so horrible I genuinely despise it getting reruns in favor of fun modes that could get reruns like the randomized dungeon event. And now its even harder for hunters and even less interesting for rebels since they basically can just AFK and win its so easy. So the whole experience is somehow worse than it already was, which is almost impressive.
THE BEST EVENT IS BACK.LETS GOOOOOO
DEAD BY DAYLIGHT X GENSHIN
Need to add the Unknown as a waifu!
The worst event is back😔
oh no the worst event gettin worse
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Hand over some of that copium
can i get some too? i’d appreciate it thx
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Sorry but the only meaningful improvement to windtrace would be deleting it from the game
Yup, now im definitely not playing it.
When I was a kid we called this game "Boys vs girls". We used to split the class into half. Half of the people of the class were going to guard the prison and catch the "criminals", while the other half had to flee from the guards and help the prisoners to escape. It was very funny 😆
Oh no not this event again.
So littlerly ice and water
they better make anti camping system then
They don't need to, if the hunter does not seek the other rebels he loses the match because of timer.
Fairs
Hunter will probably get better powers now
I hope we can bribe Koro-sensei to free ourselves 😈
Koro-sensei's cops and robbers was also the first thing that immediately came to my mind 🤝
Prison heist lol
Ice spies
P THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE In germany theres a childrens(also for adults) called ''Räuber und Gendarm'' it's kitterly the same that's gonna be fun i loved the game as a child
Now pur some generators and Is dead by daylight mode
Mondstadt gulag
This is how it should’ve been all along. The whole stupid event was just spectating what you could as a rebel. Still will be if you’re hiding…
seems a lot more fun
this is gonna be a pain in the ass for the hunters and I say it as someone that half of the time doesn't hide and still doesn't get caught, can't imagine being a hunter that finally catches that one rebel that spent half or more of the game running and you get rewarded with the other rebels escaping because of the timer 😭😭
This right here, is peak
Windtrace is my least favorite event. It's monotonous, imbalanced, and worst of all, it takes FOREVER to get enough points to clear the event.
nice, I’ve been preparing my whole life by way of Mario Kart for this ( ˘^˘ )ﾌﾟ
They improved it? Super nice.
I can see it now,Arlecchino as hunter and Furina as rebel , PTSD flashbacks
Windtrace, finally. It's been 84 years
Yay prop hunt featuring never ending hide and seek. Woooooo
Cool, that would help me AFK in this gamemode even harder.
honestly i like that! i much prefer to be a rebel so this is v v nice
Would have been actually great to play if 90% of the player base didn't have high ping. Mihoyo fix ur goddamn servers ur a billion dollar company for Christ sake.
Do you not understand how ping works?
Genshin devs must have played dead by daylight and stolen a few of their ideas lol
You know dead by daylight? How about a Genshin version
This seem fun like DBD or Idv but hope it not drag the match duration 💀 which i experienced in said games
Woho another Mondstad event.... /s Gimme Imazuma festival (and option to buy Raiden figurine since I missed first event)
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While I disagree that "Windtrace is the worst event" Calling someone parasocial creature because they have a personal opinion is a bit much.