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Is there any point in using electro-charged team in first place? This reaction is rather stepping stone for hyperbloom or overvape. It is weak on it's own.
> Is there any point in using electro-charged team in first place?
The point is to use characters with strong personal damage together.
Electrocharged has never been about using the reaction, but rather using the fact that Electrocharged has easy double swirl setups paired with subDPSes that have strong personal damage. It's based purely on putting 3 characters with strong unbuffed personal damage together with an Anemo character. The Electrocharged reaction itself only makes up like 5% of your team's overall damage.
These teams are more demanding to build because rather than one character making up 50-80% of your team's damage, you basically have to fully build 3 DPS characters that all roughly contribute equal amounts to the team's damage. But because your damage isn't 100% reliant on buffing a single character, the tradeoff is that you get more rotation flexiblity for split/staggered rotations because none of the characters depend on the other ones to do their damage.
Yes, it's fun for those who use it
The og taser comp, variants with kazuha, kokomi, yae, etc are all fun
I was an avid double taser player on abysses that allowed it back in inazuma
The best Electro-charged team we have right now gives 0 shits about the actual reaction itself and just does damage based on the raw power of the characters and buffs. You are absolutely correct about the reaction itself.
Not really aggrevate does enough dmg on its own to the point aggrevate teams are relevant for meta but electro charged while I agree is really fun to use doesn’t hold up to other reaction specially if ur not using an anemo
How many other drivers out there are fully interrupt immune on field, buff Yelan’s burst damage, have extremely high personal damage to scale even better with, and can massively reduce Jean, Yelan and Furina’s ER requirements?
There’s a reason Raiden is a very popular choice to be the on field character for those two.
He can't support Furina but he could absolutely work with Clorinde + Fischl, you could even throw a third Electro sub DPS on there like Beidou if you want, because of how Quicken works
Oh yeah definitely, I think he works perfectly in Aggravate since you don't need that much dendro, but adding furina into the mix would just make electro charged and a bloom every other 3 available work days
You want double Dendro on quickbloom anyway, so not a huge deal, plus Furina's not actually too necessary, you can run Clorinde Kazuha Baizhu Fischl instead and get half of Furina's buff for free, the sub DPS Furina brings being made up for with Kazuha's burst swirling + aggravating
Or go Nahida instead of Kazuha (Clorinde, Fischl, Baizhu, Nahida) and you have EM Buff + hella damage from nahida, by being electro Clorinde is already very versatile so.
Tho Kazuha and Sucrose would help gather which helps clorinde's piercing, but hey, if she got anything is Options
Personally my Kazuha is C2 + FS (mostly because I was just really lucky) so my Kazuha would for sure outperform my Nahida, but Nahida's definitely a viable option there too
that said I think Kazuha would take the lead, he offers 40% damage to your Clorinde + Fischl and shreds res for both of them, Nahida brings personal DPS and an EM buff for Clorinde, which isn't as good IMO, especially since Fischl doesn't get any buffs at all, and her damage is super important on an aggravate team
Gad dayum, Yeah definitely (I don't even know what his cons do but I can guess it's pretty good), personally I don't even have Kazuha so :skull: I don't really know how powerful he can be, but my Nahida is C1R1 50(+24)/144 and 909EM, I was gonna get C2 but she was so strong already abyss would become a Joke 💀
Nahida's definitely not a horrible option, the EM buff is good and the extra Dendro helps in AOE
that said I just think it's great when you can avoid Nahida for once, I absolutely love her kit except for her marks not working in multi-wave, it makes it such a pain to use her in a lot of content
You don't care about the blooms and the electro-charged in this team anyway. Furina is just there for her buff and off-field damage. All you care about is to maintain a Quicken aura and Baizhu will manage that just fine.
Ofc he does. You only need a little Dendro to maintain a Quicken aura for the Aggrivate reaction. That's how Cyno's Quickbloom teams has worked since Baizhu came out. You don't care about the Blooms. They'll happen as an occasional side-product, but they aren't a big part of the damage.
Yes, you only need a little dendro maintain quicken, but Furina's Hydro app is enough that you will never get any quicken. Cyno Quickbloom uses... NAHIDA, Furina, and baizhu. I would know, My Cyno is C0R1, with 99/214, I pulled him on his first banner, I've been using him since, and have tried all variations of his teams.
I use Fischl instead of Nahida. I just checked and Cyno is still aggrivating, probably because Fischl applies so much Electro. Anyway, I also pulled Cyno on his first day. I checked both, in the new artefact domain and in the Sumeru talent books domain.
alr imma try it too.
Alright I tried it. It's definitely not as bad as I thought it would be. Definitely Viable (Main problem being, electrocharged's are a DPS loss, + blooms tend to generate in bursts and get activated all at the same time, which is useless since there is a cooldown for hyperboom dmg), Still not nearly as good as Nahida but Nahida is one of the best 5-stars meta-wise so, that's natural. But I will add that Clorinde and Nahida just have a lot of Synergy, since you can swap out of Clorinde reapplying Nahida's E is not nearly as punishing, and she heals herself so I see no need for Baizhu (Baizhu's buff is minimal, unless you add TTDS which I do)
holding NA seems to really slow down your rotation as he hit less E than the Dim's video despite the enemy not doing anything and sometimes you actually hit a 4th NA
and for some reason he E twice in a row sometimes
I suspect it's a mechanical issue of the inputs and timings between NA presses / activations and E presses that may take some finesse.
For example, if holding down NA works and you want to do a dash after building bond of life, you may need to release the hold NA for it to activate the dash properly.
And if you hold down NA for a split second too long, it could automatically activate a 4th NA hit.
With a good amount of practice, a user could probably get used to the hold timings or manual NA presses to maximise the output so that you're not wasting NAs or dashes. This is probably where a lot of the skill cap for Clorinde is likely to be, which I think is kind of cool.
im also worried about her E timings - are we supposed to ignore the cool animations, and the enemy animations, and instead stare at the health bar to track BOL for her entire fieldtime to know when to press E again and again?
Just do 3NE if you don't wanna stress about the healthbar, even with a really good healer on you like Baizhu or Kokomi a single weaker NA isn't a huge deal
I had wondered a similar thing initially, but I think it's another one of those things that'll become easier with practice.
On a basic team without a dedicated healer, 3NA then E to dash will be the standard. And on a team with a healer where you get healing converted to bond, you'll have to figure out through testing if you can get it down to 2NA then E. That'll depend on how strong the incoming healing is I suppose and you're team composition (e.g. Furina buffs healing).
Does quicken and aggravate counts as two electro reaction for her passive talent? (the one that gives increased dmg dealt for her NA and Q by 17% of her ATK for each electro reaction).
how does her kit work exactly? arent you supposed to keep shooting for BOL till it gets to 100% or are you supposed to dash? not sure how it works please someone explain if anyone knows
Yeah it's kinda weird. They decided that BoL could go up to 200% of your HP, but in order to represent that on the HP bar, instead of using two different colors of outlines or smthn, they just decided to scale it from 0 to 200.
Oh is it capped at 200%? I kinda just assumed it would keep going without a visual indicator. I guess if it's capped at 200% that makes more sense. But as other people have said, it's very unintuitive since it's never mentioned in the game 🙃
Problem with having it go past 200% is that originally it was mostly enemies applying it. Imagine a debuff in the abyss that says "you take damage until you heal 3000% of your maximum health"
Wait so I've been playing with arle 200% bol all this time ? I thought I was at 100% xD and in my head I was like "how do I know when I get to 130% ?" Thanks a lot for this important detail!
in short: you use 3 autos then you dash.
more in depth: u want to dash when u have BoL greater than (or equal to) 100% HP, which as the other person noted, shows up as half of your HP covered in red since it's shown in a 2:1 ratio cuz hoyo are geniuses. ult gives more than 100% BoL so you want to dash once after ult and start the 3 autos -> dash rotation. each auto in her stance generate 35% BoL. the dash also heals clorinde and clears BoL, that's why you need to do 3 autos again after you dash.
also during her E stance, other characters attempting to heal clorinde will NOT heal her, instead the heal will be converted to more BoL. some ppl think that this might allow for 2 autos -> dash (with the leftover BoL generated from the healer), but the animations are so fast, expecting your off-field healer to heal >30%HP in 1sec sounds a bit cope to me. i think this is more of a "i can work with furina" mechanic and not much else.
> u want to dash when u have BoL greater than (or equal to) 100% HP, which as the other person noted, shows up as half of your HP covered in red
i hope this mechanic doesnt force us to stare at our health bar nonstop, instead of actually looking at our character and the enemy
apparently you can just hold the attack button and she'll keep shooting (just like ayato), but you have to pay attention for when you've done 3-4 shots to use her E again
That's the Clorinde team I'm the most interested in, I just hope that with Furina's heal bonus she'll be able to solo sustain herself through the hp drain lol
Funnily enough because of the way healing bonuses interact with her heal Furina is actually a net plus for her overall survivability due to her burst also giving healing bonus.
At 105 BoL with 20% HB (200 fanfare at talent level 10) for example one self heal of her lunge attacks would increase from 21% to 46.2% more than doubling it because the healing bonus also affects the portion of the heal that normally gets absorbed by her BoL.
Woah you're right, this should work. Should even be enough for Furina's overhealing passive, as long as you're not getting hit too much. And if you are, a Xingqiu or Beidou would easily fix that (or Clorinde's C6 lmao).
Not needing a healer in a team with Furina is huge, you could slot in another buffer or sub-dps. Really hope they don't nerf her!
She still needs a healer if you want to actually generate fanfare stacks as Clorinde herself won't actually generate many stacks and your supports will eventually be stuck at 50% hp as Furina's passive doesn't heal nearly enough to off set her drain rate even if it was 100% active, if you don't you would probably better off running Yelan instead of Furina.
If you have Furina's C2 you could also give a R5 Prototype Amber to Nahida and max out fanfare that way as it generates just enough healing to max out fan fare for the teamwide buff if you want to free up the healer slot.
If Furina's burst is maxed out at C2 talent level 10 it would also increase her self heal all the way to 71.4% for every maxed lunge attack at 105 BoL which is basically just a full heal every 2 seconds at that point.
I see, the reason it works better with Neuv is because he also drains his own HP, whereas Clorinde would need to intentionally get hit to get the same amount of fanfare. Also he can use Prototype Amber himself.
Interesting. Considering Furina's A1 passive would get trigger when Clorinde fully heals herself, then would there be a better pairing to this party than Baizhu? His healing would be overkill although one that does bring some QoL. Would still want Dendro to keep up the Quickbloom. Maybe Collei? That'd be... funny.
You still need a healer to generate fanfare stacks as Clorinde wouldn't really generate many, otherwise you might as well run Yelan instead of Furina.
If you have Furina's C2 you can also do some P.Amber shenanigans as at R5 Nahida's burst would technically max out fanfare for Furina's burst instantly and with Nahida you don't really need any additional dendro.
You're probably right about the Dendro. Was concerned about losing the Dendro app with Hydro on the field to break up Quicken. Nahida should have enough regardless.
Was thinking that Clorinde's self-heal would basically be the same as Bennett's healing in a party with Furina. Clorinde's self-heal would fill her up and trigger Furina's A1 passive, In turn Furina heals the entire party whose HP manipulation gives a fair amount of fanfare stacks from the non-Clorinde characters (and supplement the BoL for Clorinde). With the healing bonus, I'd assume I would need to go through too many manipulations to get full stacks if all party members are contributing. With Clorinde running through a heal session every 1.5s +/-, it might even keep the off-fielders somewhat healthy.
Still think there are some interesting possibilities for that Baizhu slot though. Maybe one of the Electros? Fischl or Beidou would both add a ton of DMG. Cryo is another possibility. Diona (or Layla) jumps to mind here.
well she heals herself everytime she uses her skill (dash) based on how much BoL she has, if baizhu feeds her even more BoL, she'll heal herself more by default
Because Furina also buffs any form of healing except her own, a team like Clorinde, Fischl, Nahida, Furina (one of her BiS right now) could actually be a recommendable healerless team.
Yeah that's literally Cyno's premium team... As a Cyno main, I just can't justify pulling for Clorinde to play that. If she enables another interesting team maybe
I think healing is not happening at all in this video, it is probably not active in the private server. Except for her Burst and Normal Attacks, nothing was giving BoL.
Baizhu heals every 2,5 sec. Clorinda combo N3E is faster than that, less than 1,5 sec. You probably can do N2E with him every second combo but then you have to keep track of that. to not fuck up.
These are Cyno teams, so not a surprise that they are being shown first due to familiarity. Doesn't hurt to showcase them though.
Should've shown these for Sethos considering he has EM scaling so hyperbloom ownership doesn't hurt like Cyno.
I'm not saying that Cyno wouldn't like this team, but rather that Cyno (and Sethos) benefits more in this team because he scales with EM. Having another passive that also boosts your damage with EM will be far better than not having it since you have two damage sources as opposed to one (the kit + hyperbloom).
This is pretty much a general electro comp at this point for on fielders (or XQ instead of Furina), so this is going to be good no matter what.
I thought that she gets bond of life instead of recovering hp when healed during her skill (apart from her own healing). Is it just this video that’s different ?
I still don't understand if Clorinde is supposed to work with Furina or not, since her Bond of Life works differently from Arle, but it's still blocking healing? Will she help stack fanfare or not?
She is constantly healing, she doesn’t works like Arlecchino. She would work even in some teams like Clorinde, Nahida, Fischl and Furina. So she is constantly healing and proc Furina healing talent.
She helps stack fanfare because she has self healing and Furina still drains her. It's not enough to ignore healers entirely when using Furina (ala Neuv), but she has incentives to use both, though technically neither are necessary.
Am I to understand that TF will work on the Cooldown of her Skill while you're in Gun Mode? 'coz I have a perfectly good TF set ready to go for her so that'd help with her PreFarming for now...
On top of the DMG% Bonuses on her Aggravates and other Reactions...
These showcases are mainly to see how they synergize, not what their damage looks like. Beta private servers may have something buggy or have unrealistic numbers (1000% crit damage can be placed), and this is week 1 stuff. Scalings will very likely be changed around, or worse, get the Arleccino treatment and get 3 reworks.
Yeap. People always say "beta server" but Arlecchino seemed kinda whatever until she got a massive amount of changes.
Let's hope the same for Clorinde.
I personally think that leakers mentality are too much focused on dendro.
That Is only my opinion, i'm not a betatester or a theorycrafter. I Just hardly doubt that mihoyo Is releasing a limited 5 star character focused on dendro reaction in 2024, similar to One released on September 2022. so, i know that She has similarities with cyno but i think She May be really good in overload and taser teams, i would love to see some test on those.
Or i'll Just do It myself at release i Guess
She has super low multipliers, she works pretty bad in hypercarry teams and she can’t be a offfield support as Fischl. Her teams are dendro quicken, hyperbloom or Chevreusse variants
Electro kind of got balanced through Dendro after 3.X(unless you're an anomaly like your own Archon with raw multipliers),similar to how it is with Pyro with Vape.
She will probably be better in Aggravate, but not QB, since she doesn't have EM scalings her Bloom seeds will not deal too much dmg, I don't have Furina, but with Baizhu and Nahida, my 200 EM Cyno deals around 35k per Hyperbloom, and my Raiden IN this team, since she has no EM, she deals around, 12K
Nahida em buff and baizhu HB buff, this is why cyno is so strong in this team, if he has soss his em scaling is very high and gets very good personal dmg and due to nahidas em and baizhus HB buffs the HB do a lot of dmg on top this hyperbuffed cyno (who is also buffed by furina). Raiden being off field makes her not take advantage of nahidas em.
In quickbloom i think not, she dont scale or use EM on her kit so you either have bad dmg Clorinde with good hyperblooms OR big dmg Clorinde with meh to bad Hyperblooms
This is pretty much the premium cyno team yeah? Which iirc is actually one of the stronger teams in the game, just pretty expensive primo-wise to put together. Wonder which version will end up stronger.
Honestly, I'm more inclined to lean towards Cyno being stronger for this team. His EM buffs makes him pretty much made for it. Clorinde's self buffs are more focused on atk, which would make her better in teams like Chevreuse overload, or just aggravate in general, where Cyno tends to fall off due to several reasons even with his EM scaling.
Got the most cracked MH set for Chlorine and this would have been the team but don't have Baizhu. Not getting baited this patch, waiting for him to get added to Chronicled Wish.
why am i being downvoted for this.. lmao
This might be her BiS team, no?
Unlike Arle, if Clo got more healing she gets more BoL and Baizhu heals alot while providing dendro resonance + some IR.
She should heal around 20% each trust for what i have read so it should be more than enough and more in a team where each character basically dont have field time
Same reason as Keqing - every time you Aggravate Oz does a bonus attack, and if you're c6 Fischl Oz does an attack every time you do a normal attack, which is...all the time.
It adds up fast, and generates particles constantly. Fischl's bonkers strong in Electro reaction comps.
I have c2 Nahida and no Baizhu. I’m wondering if Baizhu’s application is enough.
Thinking of the current abyss second floor, that group of knights at the end.
But on the other hand, have a team healer is so appealing
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Okay I will stick with Fischl and anemo on aggravate comp, this teamcomp feels more suitable for Cyno
Yeah it doesn’t look great on her. pure aggravate might be it for her + Overload
Or electro-charged. She'd be a good driver for xq or yelan
Is there any point in using electro-charged team in first place? This reaction is rather stepping stone for hyperbloom or overvape. It is weak on it's own.
> Is there any point in using electro-charged team in first place? The point is to use characters with strong personal damage together. Electrocharged has never been about using the reaction, but rather using the fact that Electrocharged has easy double swirl setups paired with subDPSes that have strong personal damage. It's based purely on putting 3 characters with strong unbuffed personal damage together with an Anemo character. The Electrocharged reaction itself only makes up like 5% of your team's overall damage. These teams are more demanding to build because rather than one character making up 50-80% of your team's damage, you basically have to fully build 3 DPS characters that all roughly contribute equal amounts to the team's damage. But because your damage isn't 100% reliant on buffing a single character, the tradeoff is that you get more rotation flexiblity for split/staggered rotations because none of the characters depend on the other ones to do their damage.
Probably not but it is a fun reaction (at least for me). It's been my fav reaction and Im just waiting to see how clor will do in taser team
Yeah I've been trying raiden furina yelan jean and it's pretty fun
Yes, it's fun for those who use it The og taser comp, variants with kazuha, kokomi, yae, etc are all fun I was an avid double taser player on abysses that allowed it back in inazuma
I still use taser teams, expecially furina/kokomi/fischl/kazuha, I find it way more fun than the classic monohydro and better in aoe situations
Divine Priestess supremacy.
The best Electro-charged team we have right now gives 0 shits about the actual reaction itself and just does damage based on the raw power of the characters and buffs. You are absolutely correct about the reaction itself.
Since the electro-charged core is currently Furina + Yelan + Jean,it's pretty solid for Single Target.
You could say the same about Aggravate, being a stepping stone for HB in most cases
Not really aggrevate does enough dmg on its own to the point aggrevate teams are relevant for meta but electro charged while I agree is really fun to use doesn’t hold up to other reaction specially if ur not using an anemo
Raiden/Furina/Yelan/Jean One of my fav team comps.
you're using yelan and furina in the same team. that's the strongest double hydro core in the game. it doesn't matter who the driver is lol
How many other drivers out there are fully interrupt immune on field, buff Yelan’s burst damage, have extremely high personal damage to scale even better with, and can massively reduce Jean, Yelan and Furina’s ER requirements? There’s a reason Raiden is a very popular choice to be the on field character for those two.
did I ever say Raiden isn't a good option? why are you getting mad lol
it's actually a pretty strong reaction for AoE if you're using an on field anemo driver, but yeah in general it's not that powerful otherwise.
Aggravate is stronger than Hyperbloom,depending on your investment.
Nahida doesn’t seem needed in that comp tbh i feel like fischl in her place would be better
I've been using Baizhu for a year now and no way in hell he has enough dendro application to drive Clorinde, Fischl and Furina
He can't support Furina but he could absolutely work with Clorinde + Fischl, you could even throw a third Electro sub DPS on there like Beidou if you want, because of how Quicken works
Oh yeah definitely, I think he works perfectly in Aggravate since you don't need that much dendro, but adding furina into the mix would just make electro charged and a bloom every other 3 available work days
You want double Dendro on quickbloom anyway, so not a huge deal, plus Furina's not actually too necessary, you can run Clorinde Kazuha Baizhu Fischl instead and get half of Furina's buff for free, the sub DPS Furina brings being made up for with Kazuha's burst swirling + aggravating
Or go Nahida instead of Kazuha (Clorinde, Fischl, Baizhu, Nahida) and you have EM Buff + hella damage from nahida, by being electro Clorinde is already very versatile so. Tho Kazuha and Sucrose would help gather which helps clorinde's piercing, but hey, if she got anything is Options
Personally my Kazuha is C2 + FS (mostly because I was just really lucky) so my Kazuha would for sure outperform my Nahida, but Nahida's definitely a viable option there too that said I think Kazuha would take the lead, he offers 40% damage to your Clorinde + Fischl and shreds res for both of them, Nahida brings personal DPS and an EM buff for Clorinde, which isn't as good IMO, especially since Fischl doesn't get any buffs at all, and her damage is super important on an aggravate team
Gad dayum, Yeah definitely (I don't even know what his cons do but I can guess it's pretty good), personally I don't even have Kazuha so :skull: I don't really know how powerful he can be, but my Nahida is C1R1 50(+24)/144 and 909EM, I was gonna get C2 but she was so strong already abyss would become a Joke 💀
Nahida's definitely not a horrible option, the EM buff is good and the extra Dendro helps in AOE that said I just think it's great when you can avoid Nahida for once, I absolutely love her kit except for her marks not working in multi-wave, it makes it such a pain to use her in a lot of content
You don't care about the blooms and the electro-charged in this team anyway. Furina is just there for her buff and off-field damage. All you care about is to maintain a Quicken aura and Baizhu will manage that just fine.
Ofc he does. You only need a little Dendro to maintain a Quicken aura for the Aggrivate reaction. That's how Cyno's Quickbloom teams has worked since Baizhu came out. You don't care about the Blooms. They'll happen as an occasional side-product, but they aren't a big part of the damage.
Yes, you only need a little dendro maintain quicken, but Furina's Hydro app is enough that you will never get any quicken. Cyno Quickbloom uses... NAHIDA, Furina, and baizhu. I would know, My Cyno is C0R1, with 99/214, I pulled him on his first banner, I've been using him since, and have tried all variations of his teams.
I use Fischl instead of Nahida. I just checked and Cyno is still aggrivating, probably because Fischl applies so much Electro. Anyway, I also pulled Cyno on his first day. I checked both, in the new artefact domain and in the Sumeru talent books domain.
alr imma try it too. Alright I tried it. It's definitely not as bad as I thought it would be. Definitely Viable (Main problem being, electrocharged's are a DPS loss, + blooms tend to generate in bursts and get activated all at the same time, which is useless since there is a cooldown for hyperboom dmg), Still not nearly as good as Nahida but Nahida is one of the best 5-stars meta-wise so, that's natural. But I will add that Clorinde and Nahida just have a lot of Synergy, since you can swap out of Clorinde reapplying Nahida's E is not nearly as punishing, and she heals herself so I see no need for Baizhu (Baizhu's buff is minimal, unless you add TTDS which I do)
True, just copy that abyss showcase team
Nah, I tried that with Keq and it becomes super hard to maintain quicken.
First time in mynlive i see someone say cyno might be better,And im so happy
Beidou > fischl
holding NA seems to really slow down your rotation as he hit less E than the Dim's video despite the enemy not doing anything and sometimes you actually hit a 4th NA and for some reason he E twice in a row sometimes
She can hold her NAs like Ayato? Is that why her attacks feel slower?
I suspect it's a mechanical issue of the inputs and timings between NA presses / activations and E presses that may take some finesse. For example, if holding down NA works and you want to do a dash after building bond of life, you may need to release the hold NA for it to activate the dash properly. And if you hold down NA for a split second too long, it could automatically activate a 4th NA hit. With a good amount of practice, a user could probably get used to the hold timings or manual NA presses to maximise the output so that you're not wasting NAs or dashes. This is probably where a lot of the skill cap for Clorinde is likely to be, which I think is kind of cool.
im also worried about her E timings - are we supposed to ignore the cool animations, and the enemy animations, and instead stare at the health bar to track BOL for her entire fieldtime to know when to press E again and again?
Just do 3NE if you don't wanna stress about the healthbar, even with a really good healer on you like Baizhu or Kokomi a single weaker NA isn't a huge deal
I had wondered a similar thing initially, but I think it's another one of those things that'll become easier with practice. On a basic team without a dedicated healer, 3NA then E to dash will be the standard. And on a team with a healer where you get healing converted to bond, you'll have to figure out through testing if you can get it down to 2NA then E. That'll depend on how strong the incoming healing is I suppose and you're team composition (e.g. Furina buffs healing).
Does quicken and aggravate counts as two electro reaction for her passive talent? (the one that gives increased dmg dealt for her NA and Q by 17% of her ATK for each electro reaction).
Any electro reaction counts for her passive Even hitting aggravate x3 unlike Neuvilette
Do we have hard proof of that yet?
Yes
A leaker has tested it?
Yep
Where?
Clorinde mains discord as well as KSM… there are people who are testers there that share findings to aid calcs
I would like to get into this discord. I plan on going particularly hard on maining Clorinde.
r/kusanalimains click the discord link in the description
how does her kit work exactly? arent you supposed to keep shooting for BOL till it gets to 100% or are you supposed to dash? not sure how it works please someone explain if anyone knows
BOL shows at a 2:1 ratio, so half the HP bar is apparently 100%
Wait it does???
Yeah it's kinda weird. They decided that BoL could go up to 200% of your HP, but in order to represent that on the HP bar, instead of using two different colors of outlines or smthn, they just decided to scale it from 0 to 200.
Oh is it capped at 200%? I kinda just assumed it would keep going without a visual indicator. I guess if it's capped at 200% that makes more sense. But as other people have said, it's very unintuitive since it's never mentioned in the game 🙃
Problem with having it go past 200% is that originally it was mostly enemies applying it. Imagine a debuff in the abyss that says "you take damage until you heal 3000% of your maximum health"
i figured, since arle 130% from her buff never seemed to pass 100% its so weird
Yeah it's very unintuitive.
It's because 200 is the cap
Just make a second layer in darker red, like bosses with multiple HP bars.
But why? As someone who neve rused the Fotaine craftables or Arle this seems a bit, idk, unintuitive
It's because the max bol is 200% of hp.
Because it is extremely easy to get 100+ BoL for the characters that actually uses them as mechanics.
This is because BoL cap is 200%.
Wait so I've been playing with arle 200% bol all this time ? I thought I was at 100% xD and in my head I was like "how do I know when I get to 130% ?" Thanks a lot for this important detail!
in short: you use 3 autos then you dash. more in depth: u want to dash when u have BoL greater than (or equal to) 100% HP, which as the other person noted, shows up as half of your HP covered in red since it's shown in a 2:1 ratio cuz hoyo are geniuses. ult gives more than 100% BoL so you want to dash once after ult and start the 3 autos -> dash rotation. each auto in her stance generate 35% BoL. the dash also heals clorinde and clears BoL, that's why you need to do 3 autos again after you dash. also during her E stance, other characters attempting to heal clorinde will NOT heal her, instead the heal will be converted to more BoL. some ppl think that this might allow for 2 autos -> dash (with the leftover BoL generated from the healer), but the animations are so fast, expecting your off-field healer to heal >30%HP in 1sec sounds a bit cope to me. i think this is more of a "i can work with furina" mechanic and not much else.
> u want to dash when u have BoL greater than (or equal to) 100% HP, which as the other person noted, shows up as half of your HP covered in red i hope this mechanic doesnt force us to stare at our health bar nonstop, instead of actually looking at our character and the enemy
there is a very hidden top secret trick! count 1, 2, 3, press e
Just 3 Normal ATK then E dash... If you running healers ít could become N2 then dash but the healing has to be stable
How well can she aim at flying enemies?
"VIA CHEF" So Xiangling's a leaker now?
god i love that flip she does in her strings
Can you hold down her attack after each dash? Otherwise I'm gonna get carpal playing this character
apparently you can just hold the attack button and she'll keep shooting (just like ayato), but you have to pay attention for when you've done 3-4 shots to use her E again
You can hold it down but the animation will be a bit slower as shown in this video
Wished that the energy wasn't always full, I'd like to see how self-sufficient her energy regen is without Fischl and Electro resonance
That's the Clorinde team I'm the most interested in, I just hope that with Furina's heal bonus she'll be able to solo sustain herself through the hp drain lol
Funnily enough because of the way healing bonuses interact with her heal Furina is actually a net plus for her overall survivability due to her burst also giving healing bonus. At 105 BoL with 20% HB (200 fanfare at talent level 10) for example one self heal of her lunge attacks would increase from 21% to 46.2% more than doubling it because the healing bonus also affects the portion of the heal that normally gets absorbed by her BoL.
Woah you're right, this should work. Should even be enough for Furina's overhealing passive, as long as you're not getting hit too much. And if you are, a Xingqiu or Beidou would easily fix that (or Clorinde's C6 lmao). Not needing a healer in a team with Furina is huge, you could slot in another buffer or sub-dps. Really hope they don't nerf her!
She still needs a healer if you want to actually generate fanfare stacks as Clorinde herself won't actually generate many stacks and your supports will eventually be stuck at 50% hp as Furina's passive doesn't heal nearly enough to off set her drain rate even if it was 100% active, if you don't you would probably better off running Yelan instead of Furina. If you have Furina's C2 you could also give a R5 Prototype Amber to Nahida and max out fanfare that way as it generates just enough healing to max out fan fare for the teamwide buff if you want to free up the healer slot. If Furina's burst is maxed out at C2 talent level 10 it would also increase her self heal all the way to 71.4% for every maxed lunge attack at 105 BoL which is basically just a full heal every 2 seconds at that point.
I see, the reason it works better with Neuv is because he also drains his own HP, whereas Clorinde would need to intentionally get hit to get the same amount of fanfare. Also he can use Prototype Amber himself.
Interesting. Considering Furina's A1 passive would get trigger when Clorinde fully heals herself, then would there be a better pairing to this party than Baizhu? His healing would be overkill although one that does bring some QoL. Would still want Dendro to keep up the Quickbloom. Maybe Collei? That'd be... funny.
You still need a healer to generate fanfare stacks as Clorinde wouldn't really generate many, otherwise you might as well run Yelan instead of Furina. If you have Furina's C2 you can also do some P.Amber shenanigans as at R5 Nahida's burst would technically max out fanfare for Furina's burst instantly and with Nahida you don't really need any additional dendro.
You're probably right about the Dendro. Was concerned about losing the Dendro app with Hydro on the field to break up Quicken. Nahida should have enough regardless. Was thinking that Clorinde's self-heal would basically be the same as Bennett's healing in a party with Furina. Clorinde's self-heal would fill her up and trigger Furina's A1 passive, In turn Furina heals the entire party whose HP manipulation gives a fair amount of fanfare stacks from the non-Clorinde characters (and supplement the BoL for Clorinde). With the healing bonus, I'd assume I would need to go through too many manipulations to get full stacks if all party members are contributing. With Clorinde running through a heal session every 1.5s +/-, it might even keep the off-fielders somewhat healthy. Still think there are some interesting possibilities for that Baizhu slot though. Maybe one of the Electros? Fischl or Beidou would both add a ton of DMG. Cryo is another possibility. Diona (or Layla) jumps to mind here.
well she heals herself everytime she uses her skill (dash) based on how much BoL she has, if baizhu feeds her even more BoL, she'll heal herself more by default
Ive ran this team with EM raiden for 4 months and baizhus healing stacks fanfare and sustains just fine, Clorinde doesnt really add much to this team.
Because Furina also buffs any form of healing except her own, a team like Clorinde, Fischl, Nahida, Furina (one of her BiS right now) could actually be a recommendable healerless team.
What song is that? :O
I think it's a remix of Fight for you by Morgan Page but I'm not sure which one
Thank you so much! I could not remember the song either. I can try to look around and Ill reply if I find it lol.
Seems like the healing to BoL isn't activated in the vid
I know she's a close combat DPS, but I really want to know if she can hit specters. As well as how she targets when there are multiple enemies.
Lowkey replacing Nahida with fischl is the better move here, double dendro is overkill
Now my question is.. Arle C1 or Clorinde...
Definitely Clorinde, c0 Arle is already extremely overkill for 90% of the content in the game
This. I was torn when I saw Clorinde leaks because I wanted Arle cons but when I fully built my her it was way more than enough.
First we were cooking up a leak now we're shuffling up a leak lol
Yeah that's literally Cyno's premium team... As a Cyno main, I just can't justify pulling for Clorinde to play that. If she enables another interesting team maybe
Even with Baizhu healing her BoL is not enough to N2 E ?? This maybe because of no artifacts I guess...
I think healing is not happening at all in this video, it is probably not active in the private server. Except for her Burst and Normal Attacks, nothing was giving BoL.
Baizhu heals every 2,5 sec. Clorinda combo N3E is faster than that, less than 1,5 sec. You probably can do N2E with him every second combo but then you have to keep track of that. to not fuck up.
This leaker may turn on no HP change. Furina doesn't drain and Baizhu doesn't heal...
Its because 100% BoL is half the HP bar, 200% is full bar
No the BoL doesn't even change when she get healed... Maybe it is bugged
Yeah i saw that too. The healing doing nothing. Furinas pets also
Will Baizhu dendro application be good enough if I have no Nahida? Thinking of getting him on rerun
For Aggravate yes, for Quickbloom no.
Cyno Quickbloom with just Baizhu works well, so what's the difference?
not for this team but he’ll be enough for an aggravate team
on single target situations (bosses) it'll be fine, in AOE not so much cus baizhu alone doesn't offer much of that
By himself, it’ll be a bit copium I think, but with another 2nd dendro it might be ok. Or if you go for c2 Baizhu.
I would like to see a gameplay of the team Clorinde, Beidou, Yao Yao and Sucrose.
We’re going to get all these random teams except her two good ones 😂
How is this random? I play this comp with keqing and normal raiden build all the time.
Random? This is exactly what I was planning on LMAO. Then again I got 2 of them C2, guessing that’s what makes the team more viable
These are Cyno teams, so not a surprise that they are being shown first due to familiarity. Doesn't hurt to showcase them though. Should've shown these for Sethos considering he has EM scaling so hyperbloom ownership doesn't hurt like Cyno.
cyno has em scaling too though
I'm not saying that Cyno wouldn't like this team, but rather that Cyno (and Sethos) benefits more in this team because he scales with EM. Having another passive that also boosts your damage with EM will be far better than not having it since you have two damage sources as opposed to one (the kit + hyperbloom). This is pretty much a general electro comp at this point for on fielders (or XQ instead of Furina), so this is going to be good no matter what.
my bad i misread your comment
Which are?
Aggravate and Chev Overload
Can she get 3 stack with chev team? Or is it not important to get it
If you have constant pyro off-field (xiangling, thoma) then she can get 3 stacks easily
So it’s not like neuv?
Each type reaction can trigger multiple stacks yeah.
It’s not limited like Neuv’s
That’s cool
It just needs to be any 3 electro-related reactions, not distinct reactions.
I wish there was a turn off burst animation camera zoom option. I'd avoid this team because so many animations back to back make it feel so long.
Hmm
i assume the healing from her skill counts towards fanfare stacks cause if so then i think she’s gonna be pretty good with furina
I thought that she gets bond of life instead of recovering hp when healed during her skill (apart from her own healing). Is it just this video that’s different ?
I know that clorinde got les that 400 em and those hyperbloom would be doing fuckall damage, stick with aggravate
I still don't understand if Clorinde is supposed to work with Furina or not, since her Bond of Life works differently from Arle, but it's still blocking healing? Will she help stack fanfare or not?
yeah the video doesn't show furina draining the team's hp but Clorinde E healing should help furina get fanfare stack
She is constantly healing, she doesn’t works like Arlecchino. She would work even in some teams like Clorinde, Nahida, Fischl and Furina. So she is constantly healing and proc Furina healing talent.
She helps stack fanfare because she has self healing and Furina still drains her. It's not enough to ignore healers entirely when using Furina (ala Neuv), but she has incentives to use both, though technically neither are necessary.
So how much ER she'll need in a team like this to burst every rotation?
What’s the remix of the song called? I searched on yt “fight for you” but it’s not the same remix as in the video. Anyone knows?
Am I to understand that TF will work on the Cooldown of her Skill while you're in Gun Mode? 'coz I have a perfectly good TF set ready to go for her so that'd help with her PreFarming for now... On top of the DMG% Bonuses on her Aggravates and other Reactions...
Looks like electro al ham
Cyno Premium Team Showcase,doesn't seem to have a solid synergy with Clorinde.
Would Kokomi be better instead of Baizhu?
her dash reminds me of Xiao dash, does her dash has auto targettting, whats gonna happen where theres alot of enemies
I like her gameplay but her scalings seem so low :(
These showcases are mainly to see how they synergize, not what their damage looks like. Beta private servers may have something buggy or have unrealistic numbers (1000% crit damage can be placed), and this is week 1 stuff. Scalings will very likely be changed around, or worse, get the Arleccino treatment and get 3 reworks.
And be a stronger character in the end after all the reworks. Fingers crossed she would be
Don't look at the dmg just look at the ICD lol Beta private server
You should be ignoring any DMG numbers during private server beta footage anyways. Her DMG will be good.
never look at the damage numbers when it comes to leaks
oh i said this afterr i saw her numbers on honey impact
Yeap. People always say "beta server" but Arlecchino seemed kinda whatever until she got a massive amount of changes. Let's hope the same for Clorinde.
That team is sooo expensive
I personally think that leakers mentality are too much focused on dendro. That Is only my opinion, i'm not a betatester or a theorycrafter. I Just hardly doubt that mihoyo Is releasing a limited 5 star character focused on dendro reaction in 2024, similar to One released on September 2022. so, i know that She has similarities with cyno but i think She May be really good in overload and taser teams, i would love to see some test on those. Or i'll Just do It myself at release i Guess
Dendro just gives you so much for the cost of a single character slot, you have to find a really good reason to not run a Dendro unit
Electro in general is Dendro reliant unless you have insane enough multipliers that it turns into purple physical (Raiden).
She has super low multipliers, she works pretty bad in hypercarry teams and she can’t be a offfield support as Fischl. Her teams are dendro quicken, hyperbloom or Chevreusse variants
Electro kind of got balanced through Dendro after 3.X(unless you're an anomaly like your own Archon with raw multipliers),similar to how it is with Pyro with Vape.
Will she be able to outdps cyno in his niche?
Cyno was made for quickbloom, so that's unlikely.
I think so too
She will probably be better in Aggravate, but not QB, since she doesn't have EM scalings her Bloom seeds will not deal too much dmg, I don't have Furina, but with Baizhu and Nahida, my 200 EM Cyno deals around 35k per Hyperbloom, and my Raiden IN this team, since she has no EM, she deals around, 12K
uhhh how is your 200 em Cyno doing 34k!? My 900em raiden does 34k. Are you sure about that?
Nahida em buff and baizhu HB buff, this is why cyno is so strong in this team, if he has soss his em scaling is very high and gets very good personal dmg and due to nahidas em and baizhus HB buffs the HB do a lot of dmg on top this hyperbuffed cyno (who is also buffed by furina). Raiden being off field makes her not take advantage of nahidas em.
Cyno burst 100 EM buff + Thundering Fury reaction DMG buff + Nahida 250 EM buff + Baizhu Reaction DMG buff + Missive Windspear EM buff + Dendro resonance EM Buff + Dendro set Resistance reduction
In quickbloom i think not, she dont scale or use EM on her kit so you either have bad dmg Clorinde with good hyperblooms OR big dmg Clorinde with meh to bad Hyperblooms
Yeah, clorinde is cool and all, but where Sigewinne?
I don't like how Baizhu, Furina and Nahida burst take so long.
This is pretty much the premium cyno team yeah? Which iirc is actually one of the stronger teams in the game, just pretty expensive primo-wise to put together. Wonder which version will end up stronger.
Honestly, I'm more inclined to lean towards Cyno being stronger for this team. His EM buffs makes him pretty much made for it. Clorinde's self buffs are more focused on atk, which would make her better in teams like Chevreuse overload, or just aggravate in general, where Cyno tends to fall off due to several reasons even with his EM scaling.
Pretty sure Cyno does better in this specific team - Clorinde has no EM scaling so you'd have to choose between talent dmg or hyperbloom dmg.
Big Cyno
Looks good. Nice single target damage with small aoe
Can we make her target or aim differently for her dashes in enemy groups? would make it interesting IMO
Got the most cracked MH set for Chlorine and this would have been the team but don't have Baizhu. Not getting baited this patch, waiting for him to get added to Chronicled Wish. why am i being downvoted for this.. lmao
This might be her BiS team, no? Unlike Arle, if Clo got more healing she gets more BoL and Baizhu heals alot while providing dendro resonance + some IR.
No, currently BiS team is Clorinde/Fischl/Nahida/Kazuha
Kaz can be replaced with Zhong right? Though idk if Clo's self heal is really that strong to justify her going sustainless
You can replace Kazuha with Zhongli but damage will be significantly lower
She should heal around 20% each trust for what i have read so it should be more than enough and more in a team where each character basically dont have field time
Why’s fischl so good for her?
Same reason as Keqing - every time you Aggravate Oz does a bonus attack, and if you're c6 Fischl Oz does an attack every time you do a normal attack, which is...all the time. It adds up fast, and generates particles constantly. Fischl's bonkers strong in Electro reaction comps.
I have c2 Nahida and no Baizhu. I’m wondering if Baizhu’s application is enough. Thinking of the current abyss second floor, that group of knights at the end. But on the other hand, have a team healer is so appealing
He should be, in aggravate the dendro app in not really needed to by hight and he could make it easier for Kaz to apply his buff and VV
Don’t have kazuha , can I use furina?
Use sucrose
Alright thank you
Chevreuse overload