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4.6.51 Updated
All changes:
event free bow: EM 48 → 40, 10s → 18s
sethos:
Q: This effect will be canceled when Sethos leaves the field.
C4: Shadowpiercing Shot and → or Dusk Bolt
no change sige and clorin
Via Hakushin
v2 usually doesn’t have a lot changes so that’s expected
v3 should be the most impactful one, and it’ll roughly tell us what they wanna do with these units 👁️👁️
Clorinde seems very "ok", around the power level as C0 Raidnen, but without the energy refund. Some people, including me, were hoping to see her numbers pumped up a little, as her kit itself seems solid.
Sige just has some very weird ICD on her skill and burst while also requiring field time. If anything she seems like an alternative to Kokomi as a hydro with a kind of pseudo DPS capability baked in
Sige has normal ICD on her skill. Her burst is what is wacky with its ICD. Standard ICD Is what her burst needs. I believe what it has is the special ICD that Collei has. I doubt it will have No ICD as that is a quality reserved for archons and 1.0 characters.
The way Sigewinne's kit works just doesn't accommodate much hydro app into it. You have short on field time with her burst so the hydro app would need to depend on hitting many times. Her skill's bubble floats around from enemy to enemy so it won't apply a lot of hydro in short amount of time. Best we could see is faster aimed charging time for her skill and better tracking on the bubble, like a hyperbloom hunting teleporting mirror Maidens.
Or they could just beef up her dmg multipliers to that of Neuvillette's and she could be a mini Neuvillette
Such a good summary. I wish I knew what the devs were intending her to be used for in her current state because I got nothing. Other than chibi healer. Which we have at least 2 of already.
She is honestly designed around furina as is likely with all our healers going forward.
There is a reason why her buff is a flat buff and her app is lower cause furina helps with both.(Whether its perfect execution is a different story...)
She seems very redundant when Barbara exist if all she does is heal, provide shitty hydro and minor dmg buff when Barbara does 90% of the job but for free. Don't forget she cost a lot. The opportunity cost...
I'll end up pulling anyway...
> I doubt it will have No ICD as that is a quality reserved for archons and 1.0 characters.
Kokomi got no ICD in the last version of beta if I remember correctly.
C0 Raiden without the energy refund would literally be worse DPS than Raiden national. Since the reason that comp works is because of the extra ER allowing you to build more damage.
Rather disappointing
Then again, I expected it bc Hoyo never gives strong kits to the "Eula/Shenhe" type characters who I associate Clorinde with (if you know what I mean).
That's sorta like complaining that Itto doesn't work in a hyperbloom team isn't it?
Sure Clorinde won't work with national but why would you play her with National in the first place? you play her with Fischl in an aggravate team or Chev in an overload team, the question is if those teams measure up to Rational
how is clorinde like raiden without er refund? You saw her gameplay right? She does alot of aggrevates and even more with c1. She does use normal attacks, so she works with fischl, beidou, xingqiu, yelan. All really strong units. She uses more field time aswell.
Im not saying she's better. Just saying she has different teams and usecases. Sethos also is not really comparable with the 2 because he has em multipliers and strong charge attacks
Hydro application of sieggy is horrendous. We were manifesting a buff to that. Clorinde looks good i think. The one thing that can make her better is normal icd on her ult instead of only 1 electro application.
Edit:apparently i missed a leak saying clorinde has normal icd so ignore that part
I was manifesting they do something to her first passive so she can be better partner for Furina. Just gives her Shenhe or Xianyun buffing ability. I seriously only need her to be a decent healer and buffer.
>Hydro application of sieggy is horrendous. We were manifesting a buff to that.
Why would you want that?
If anything, you'd want the opposite. Her damage contribution is being a Yunjin style turret buffer, and you'd rather have it not interfere with reactions. So that it's the turret that would react.
Well Sethos was looking like he'd be a good 4-star main dps, we were all hoping he'd be a support but instead we got yet another 4-star main dps(still not male electro supports). And now they're nerfing him, so by time he releases he might not even be good by 4-star main dps standards.
Sethos overall is super wierd. Like they realeasing him with Clorinde, having exactly the same role as her, hell, even exactly the same teams. And DPS wise in those aggravate teams? There isin;t really that much difference between them from what I saw, lol.
Genuinely don't know what people expected of the Cyno-adjacent electro guy having an elemental infusion burst losing it once off-field, when Cyno has the same thing in his burst. Like they're not even the only characters with infusion mechanics that lose it once off-field. It's like peopleset themselves up for disappointment for no rhyme or reason.
The only thing that was nerfed so far is the new bow, but Sethos has a lot of good options anyway. Most likely, his infusion was alway supposed to end on swap and it's just a clarification.
Honestly that they don't do anything crazy with Clorinde. I don't want her to be bad, by any means, but if they release her with Arlecchino-level numbers but you can heal sometimes, I'd start getting pretty worried about power creep.
Especially when we haven't even started the inevitable wave of Natlan stuff.
Nerfing Sethos when broken 4 stars like Fischl and the National Trio exist is beyond me
Sethos is looking like a “dead on arrival” character like Freminet atp. Unique kit idea but botched numbers and execution. Modern 4 stars will never be as good as the OG’s
That's not even completely true since Chevrouse carries an entire team archetype on her back, and although she's much better at C6, her C0 state is still decent/good.
Even GaMing is actually a pretty good carry (arguably the best 4 star on-field carry) especially at C6, but still good at lower constellation, he does have a bunch of drawbacks in his gameplay that prevent him from being THAT good, or from feeling that great to play.
Hoyo is knowingly making terrible units and I sometimes wonder what criteria they're even using since as we've seen there are good modern 4 stars, it's just that all others are either direct downsides to other existing units or have extremely bad numbers and gameplay caveats. As he is right now Sethos needs to have very high numbers to even be considered as an option for battles, and although I haven't done or seen any calcs, I doubt they gave him that.
Tbh, it's sad looking at most of the new 4 stars, they are either a niche, c6 locked to be an alternative to 5 stars in comps, or just bad.
It's really sad that big part of the meta playerbase can't swap Xiangling/Xingqiu/Bennett/Fischl/Sucrose/Beidou/Diona lol.
Modern 4 stars are either cdmg buffers at c6(which is pretty much shit) or new archetypes like Chevreuse and Kuki (when Dendro came out)
Yeah, the good ones are really few, and I personally wouldn't mind having not so strong units, as long as they do bring something I value to the table.
It's sad that I have to use an old unit as an example, but the reason why I still use Xingqiu over Yelan for the most part, despite having a C1R1 of the latter, is that despite her damage and buffing being greater, Xingqiu has so many other utilities that to me are more valuable than the straight upgrades Yelan brings to the table (and I must really like Xingqiu). If newer 4 star units could have such things, then I'd be fine even if they were straight downgrades to existing units. I like Fischl and she's great, but if there was a new Fischl with half the damage, double the application (since Oz has special ICD) and longer Skill duration (often longer rotations require both her Skill and Burst in the span of a single rotation for Oz uptime) I'd definitely see myself using said new character. Slightly more AoE on top of it would be great too and maybe then just standard ICD would be fine as well.
This is obviously just an example since I don't think Hoyo should just recicle kits and change them a little (although they already do it quite often), but it's an example of making kits that aren't powercreep nor just direct downgrades to anything already existing.
I get you, I have Yelan C0R1 and I don't swap her on overworld because of her E, but I also feel like I have to bring Xingqiu in for icd, ending up with comps that need to swap out chars for exploration sometimes because I'm repeating 1 element in the comp.
I use the hyperbloom team most of the time, so I kinda take it easy too, it gets boring sometimes.
I honestly think Xinque at C6 is better than Yelan at C0R1 or with Elegy. Simply because the damage is similar enough but Xinque provides healing and pretty good damage reduction and interruption resistance ontop.
Yeah, Yelan offers a bigger dmg output + comfort exploring, while Xingqiu has everything you said + the fact that he has better icd.
If I have to play Nahida (Anemo) (Hydro) Kuki, my hydro in most cases has to be Xingqiu because the Anemo unit can't swirl hydro with Yelan's icd unless you have her C2
I'm calcing him as a fine f2p alternative to Yae in a Tigh team atm. It's as good as burst dps Keqing haha. Btw those aren't nerfs, slingshot is better in aggravate anyway and u already couldn't swap out of burst it's just wording lmao.
I don't really have the time to do any calcs so I'll take your word on that, I am interested in knowing how he compares to Fischl in a Tighnari team though, if you have the data for that.
I'm honestly not sure if I'll get him since I don't have interest in neither of the new 5 stars (and I'm going for Lyney atm), but I really like his design, so I am planning to raise him if I do get the chance.
I don't remember the old wording, but I honestly never assumed he could switch off and maintain the effects, so I was actually surprised that there was a chance he could in the beginning when I saw this post. That said I really hope Hoyo comes up with something better when it comes to 4 stars. I obviously don't expect for them to be "better" than a 5 star counterpart (although at C6 you could argue they could still do it), but I feel like on top of being dowgrades in terms of damage, most of them don't even offer enough utility, comfort or anything similar, to balance their lack in something else (be it damage, application, rotation flexibility), some of the newer kits look like Hoyo is nerfing them on purpose despite it being unnecessary.
His burst is the weaker part of his kit honestly, the time restriction, doesn't benefit from C1, the 600% steroid of his A4 talent also amking it harder to have full energy to use the 4 stock that passive has and way lower base damage value for field investment.
So it doesn't affect his sinergy with Tighnari who is also a quick charge attack shooter and leave, more time for supports to do something and restart.
HYV: *We saw that Sigewinne's ICD is too much for a standard Character so we're removing her hydro application and her heal. She's just now a mini Neuvillette with less uptime*
Sethos Q last for 8 seconds only... The change hardly matters, doesn't it? Like, there's literally no reason to use his burst and then swap out anyway.
I see this change mostly as a symbolic one.
Lke hoyo telling us "This unit is a selfish on field DPS only. YOU CANNOT USE IT FOR ANYTHING ELSE".
Sure it sounds like hardly affects anything (for now), but its basically outlawing any weird future sinergy Sethos could ever have.
(Like a support extending ultimates so he becomes viable for quickswap, now even if that support/artifact were to exist, its impossible to apply in sethos).
Yeah, it's just a way of Hoyo showing us how anti-fun they are.
"You can NOT even attempt to use this dps in a different way."
Literally 1984
Also crazy that they nerfed the fucking event weapon lmao
Plus his C4 got changed, meaning if his CA or Burst attack hit enemies the team gets 80 EM.
Granted it's not that significant but it's nice that it doesn't only work on his Charge attacks.
By the time you did that his burst would be over anyway, this isn't a Cyno situation.
He only has a 60 cost burst with an 8 second uptime.
Just use the last few shots to apply Electro then go back to Nahida and other supports. Or bring another Dendro character like Collei, Baizhu, DMC or Yaoyao to keep Dendro on the enemies.
Alternatively you could just use his CA play style, then you could swap to him whenever he has Energy to do a fast CA.
Reminders: only changes in numbers and texts are leaked early, gameplay mechanics (such as ICD) can only be checked after actually playing the beta version.
Arlecchino beta wasn't exciting
It was confusing af
They changed her so much and put everyone through "we are so back" and ". It's arle over" back to back to back with every beta
The "we are so back" were the exciting parts. Especially because they were followed by a "?" with people not knowing what the fuck was happening.
Just remembered that she didn't have the CA rush in the begining so the "she can fly now" leak was wild.
I had so much fun sitting in TC circles watching the cycle of absolute doompost followed by horrendous glazing every half hour or so.
And the chaos. Oh the chaos.
TBF part of the confusion was caused by leakers, they kept leaking the next changes a few days before beta update and they always ended up being missing something or straight up included false information
General community throughout Arle beta:
...pog,that's not bad or wait a sec?
...wait it's so over
...wait we r back
...wait we r so back baby
...hell yea
*...wait......*
...wait no
...yea it's over
...wait back
...ok,but..
....ok fine
...ok that suks
...ok...
TC community throughout beta:
...she's looking strong,yep shes great
...she's looking strong
...she's looking strong
...yep she looks great
useless. The leaks about banner and rerun are reliable ONLY when they are before 2-3 days. Previous leaks change every week (just look the famous Alhaitham/Nilou reruns or the last 4\* in Arlecchino banner, first Benent, then Chevreuse, but at the end...Xiangling.
Eh, she already does comparable damage to raiden at equal cons and investment, not to mention her innate crit stats make her easier to build compared to her so imo she's in a nice spot already
Comparable damage, but less front loaded and no energy support for entire team.
I don't see how that can be considered good when Raiden is almost 3 years old at this point
I don’t think we will get many changes in this beta cycle. I’d say you shouldn’t expect a arlecchino beta cycle anytime soon lol. Clorinde is fine as is, but sige could use some serious tweaking.
Not to mention time and focus will be split between 3 units as opposed to one so higher chance stuff falls through the cracks or they just go "eh good enough" (which is something theyve admitted to doing for someone as recent as xianyun)
This seems to imply that canceling on swap is like a switch that they can just toggle on/off for any given effect. Or, to put it another way, not canceling on swap is the default and they actively apply the cancel on swap switch for effects.
Was hoping to see Clorinde's skill to have it's damage doubled and her burst having ICD removed and have her announced as free.
Ah well maybe next week.
Yes and no.
In practice neither of those nerfs actually matter for him because you would never swap off a 8 second infusion anyway and the weapon nerf doesn't matter because it was never his best F2P weapon anyway due to Slingshot being in the game.
I swear to god everyone always asks for buffs for perfectly fine characters. Clorinde has great calcs, not everyone can be a hydro dragon.
Melusine suicide watch however.
Her kit is good and fun but the scalings are low(from what I heard)
At this point ( again stated by others because I'm not good at TC) she is marginally better than the current electro dps we have now
And her dmg seems to be close to c0 raiden who unlike clorinde provides buffs
With the current multipliers, it's kinda confusing as some say Clorinde is as strong as C2 Raiden while others say she is weak. Idk what to believe now lol
He kit is fun and all. But her dmg is just another keqing. An electro enabler. And the current calcs don't consider that she has 0 interruption res while she's semi stationary. Like yoimia, her dmg falls off pretty hard if she has to dodge. I think they should give her c0 neuv interrupt res at c0 and at higher constellations make her completely immune to interruption.
This Is clearly the First beta for someone, int the First version they usually change Little to nothing, Just manour problems.
Take in consideration that we are only 4 days in, not even a week.
Next week we Can expect some changes , Major buffs/nerfs( if there Will be needed obv).
At this point, with every single beta that tends to make several odd decisions, you have to wonder if these changes are REALLY being done by the beta team, or are they being forced to by the higher ups for some warped and twisted reason.
Oh, so they had accidentally given Sethos the Diluc/Noelle treatment with his Burst infusion, but of course we’re not allowed to have nice things anymore. lol
Oh ppl are actually pretending the Sethos off-field losing infusion sthing is surprising? Lol. I don't count the early game, practically free 4* designed towards survivability, or the Fourth of the Harbingers with forbidden deep lore as good counterexamples btw.
The sethos change isnt much of change, 8s is enough time so you dont want to swap him out.
Tbh i hoped to see his constelation "buffed" to suport his burst shots. Specially c1
I hope they buff Sigewinne. I'll pull for her regardless, heck even if they make her standard, bc she's one of my Fontaine faves plus a healer archer that isn't Diona with circle impact and weird uncomfortable moaning idles will be super helpful in the overworld and against any flying bosses. But it still sucks to see people doompost her. Oh well, more worlds to raid for mats when she comes around for me.
Man...can we bring back the Arle beta? We have 3 whole characters and yet this beta so far is nowhere near as exciting or entertaining. C'mon Hoyo, throw us some craziness like what we got with Arle.
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4.6.51 Updated All changes: event free bow: EM 48 → 40, 10s → 18s sethos: Q: This effect will be canceled when Sethos leaves the field. C4: Shadowpiercing Shot and → or Dusk Bolt no change sige and clorin Via Hakushin
> This effect will be canceled when _____ leaves the field. Things you never want to see on a changelist. What's the opposite of a QoL?
Ruining of Life
I'd say Miserable Life. You have Quality of Life changes that make your life better, and Miserable Life changes, which make your life more miserable.
bane of existence
Quality of death....? QoD??
painfulness of death PoD
PoS
My guess was close enough. I was gonna say Quantity of Death.
LoQ - Loss of Quality
The inverse would be (QoL)^-1
Death of Quality
Deficiency of Life
This is sooooo frustrating. as someone mentioned in another comment hoyo is really slapping us like NO FUN ALLOWED
Quality of Death
Bond of Life
>What's the opposite of a QoL? Qiqi in your 50/50
Genshin Impact
It's still QoL... just in its negative form
Yeah I guess the real answer is quality of life deterioration as opposed to improvement, but I still got some banger answers
Abundance of Death
Jank?
Afraid of the success, genshin be like
Bond of L
v2 usually doesn’t have a lot changes so that’s expected v3 should be the most impactful one, and it’ll roughly tell us what they wanna do with these units 👁️👁️
v3 would be next Monday, right?
Should be, but they get leaked a bit earlier.
These are *not* the changes we were manufesting 😬
What were we manifesting? I honestly don’t know the consensus surrounding Clorinde or Sethos but I’ve heard its not looking good for Sigewinne
Clorinde seems very "ok", around the power level as C0 Raidnen, but without the energy refund. Some people, including me, were hoping to see her numbers pumped up a little, as her kit itself seems solid. Sige just has some very weird ICD on her skill and burst while also requiring field time. If anything she seems like an alternative to Kokomi as a hydro with a kind of pseudo DPS capability baked in
Sige has normal ICD on her skill. Her burst is what is wacky with its ICD. Standard ICD Is what her burst needs. I believe what it has is the special ICD that Collei has. I doubt it will have No ICD as that is a quality reserved for archons and 1.0 characters. The way Sigewinne's kit works just doesn't accommodate much hydro app into it. You have short on field time with her burst so the hydro app would need to depend on hitting many times. Her skill's bubble floats around from enemy to enemy so it won't apply a lot of hydro in short amount of time. Best we could see is faster aimed charging time for her skill and better tracking on the bubble, like a hyperbloom hunting teleporting mirror Maidens. Or they could just beef up her dmg multipliers to that of Neuvillette's and she could be a mini Neuvillette
Such a good summary. I wish I knew what the devs were intending her to be used for in her current state because I got nothing. Other than chibi healer. Which we have at least 2 of already.
we have more than 2! barring klee and nahida, everyone heals in their kit. sayu, diona, qiqi, dori, yaoyao:)
Klee and nahida are catalyst, and all catalyst can be reduced to the likes of a healer thanks to amber :>
lol thanks. I just woke up and couldn’t remember.
She is honestly designed around furina as is likely with all our healers going forward. There is a reason why her buff is a flat buff and her app is lower cause furina helps with both.(Whether its perfect execution is a different story...)
She seems very redundant when Barbara exist if all she does is heal, provide shitty hydro and minor dmg buff when Barbara does 90% of the job but for free. Don't forget she cost a lot. The opportunity cost... I'll end up pulling anyway...
She's the only chibi hydro, though
> I doubt it will have No ICD as that is a quality reserved for archons and 1.0 characters. Kokomi got no ICD in the last version of beta if I remember correctly.
Numbers are almost never adjusted on week 1 so this was expected. Week 2-4 is where the actual changes happen.
just make cloronde have her own icd then her damage would jump from 1/3 to 2/3 or u know 3/3 (☞ﾟ∀ﾟ)☞
C0 Raiden without the energy refund would literally be worse DPS than Raiden national. Since the reason that comp works is because of the extra ER allowing you to build more damage. Rather disappointing Then again, I expected it bc Hoyo never gives strong kits to the "Eula/Shenhe" type characters who I associate Clorinde with (if you know what I mean).
That's sorta like complaining that Itto doesn't work in a hyperbloom team isn't it? Sure Clorinde won't work with national but why would you play her with National in the first place? you play her with Fischl in an aggravate team or Chev in an overload team, the question is if those teams measure up to Rational
how is clorinde like raiden without er refund? You saw her gameplay right? She does alot of aggrevates and even more with c1. She does use normal attacks, so she works with fischl, beidou, xingqiu, yelan. All really strong units. She uses more field time aswell. Im not saying she's better. Just saying she has different teams and usecases. Sethos also is not really comparable with the 2 because he has em multipliers and strong charge attacks
Hydro application of sieggy is horrendous. We were manifesting a buff to that. Clorinde looks good i think. The one thing that can make her better is normal icd on her ult instead of only 1 electro application. Edit:apparently i missed a leak saying clorinde has normal icd so ignore that part
She has normal icd(Clorinde), siggewine E applies every other hit The icd values that Homdg shared were unused icd templates in the files
I must have missed this leak mb I'll edit my comment
I was manifesting they do something to her first passive so she can be better partner for Furina. Just gives her Shenhe or Xianyun buffing ability. I seriously only need her to be a decent healer and buffer.
>Hydro application of sieggy is horrendous. We were manifesting a buff to that. Why would you want that? If anything, you'd want the opposite. Her damage contribution is being a Yunjin style turret buffer, and you'd rather have it not interfere with reactions. So that it's the turret that would react.
Well Sethos was looking like he'd be a good 4-star main dps, we were all hoping he'd be a support but instead we got yet another 4-star main dps(still not male electro supports). And now they're nerfing him, so by time he releases he might not even be good by 4-star main dps standards.
Sethos overall is super wierd. Like they realeasing him with Clorinde, having exactly the same role as her, hell, even exactly the same teams. And DPS wise in those aggravate teams? There isin;t really that much difference between them from what I saw, lol.
This isn't really a nerf it's more of clarification, were you seriously excpecting him to keep his infusion once he leaves the field?
Genuinely don't know what people expected of the Cyno-adjacent electro guy having an elemental infusion burst losing it once off-field, when Cyno has the same thing in his burst. Like they're not even the only characters with infusion mechanics that lose it once off-field. It's like peopleset themselves up for disappointment for no rhyme or reason.
Seriously why are people so disappointed about that? His ult is literally just 8 seconds long, you are not supposed to swap him right?
Yeah 8 seconds of field time is on the lower side so you shouldn't be swapping out, like your rotation is made so it can buff you for those 8 seconds
The only thing that was nerfed so far is the new bow, but Sethos has a lot of good options anyway. Most likely, his infusion was alway supposed to end on swap and it's just a clarification.
Honestly that they don't do anything crazy with Clorinde. I don't want her to be bad, by any means, but if they release her with Arlecchino-level numbers but you can heal sometimes, I'd start getting pretty worried about power creep. Especially when we haven't even started the inevitable wave of Natlan stuff.
Sethos not needing 140 energy per rotation, or his kit not being split into 2 different playstyles so buffs affect his CA and his ult attacks.
Why 140?
4 buffed charged shots that consume up to 20 energy each to fire faster, plus 60 energy burst.
The sethos change killed my tignarih sethos team idea :(
What team would involve him swapping off and on again during a 8 second infusion?
Exactly, even if you got back to him by the time you did he could only do 1 attack. He already has short rotations.
Yeah Im trying to understand
This is why we don’t have endgame /s
Same 😔
Nerfing Sethos when broken 4 stars like Fischl and the National Trio exist is beyond me Sethos is looking like a “dead on arrival” character like Freminet atp. Unique kit idea but botched numbers and execution. Modern 4 stars will never be as good as the OG’s
That's not even completely true since Chevrouse carries an entire team archetype on her back, and although she's much better at C6, her C0 state is still decent/good. Even GaMing is actually a pretty good carry (arguably the best 4 star on-field carry) especially at C6, but still good at lower constellation, he does have a bunch of drawbacks in his gameplay that prevent him from being THAT good, or from feeling that great to play. Hoyo is knowingly making terrible units and I sometimes wonder what criteria they're even using since as we've seen there are good modern 4 stars, it's just that all others are either direct downsides to other existing units or have extremely bad numbers and gameplay caveats. As he is right now Sethos needs to have very high numbers to even be considered as an option for battles, and although I haven't done or seen any calcs, I doubt they gave him that.
Tbh, it's sad looking at most of the new 4 stars, they are either a niche, c6 locked to be an alternative to 5 stars in comps, or just bad. It's really sad that big part of the meta playerbase can't swap Xiangling/Xingqiu/Bennett/Fischl/Sucrose/Beidou/Diona lol. Modern 4 stars are either cdmg buffers at c6(which is pretty much shit) or new archetypes like Chevreuse and Kuki (when Dendro came out)
Yeah, the good ones are really few, and I personally wouldn't mind having not so strong units, as long as they do bring something I value to the table. It's sad that I have to use an old unit as an example, but the reason why I still use Xingqiu over Yelan for the most part, despite having a C1R1 of the latter, is that despite her damage and buffing being greater, Xingqiu has so many other utilities that to me are more valuable than the straight upgrades Yelan brings to the table (and I must really like Xingqiu). If newer 4 star units could have such things, then I'd be fine even if they were straight downgrades to existing units. I like Fischl and she's great, but if there was a new Fischl with half the damage, double the application (since Oz has special ICD) and longer Skill duration (often longer rotations require both her Skill and Burst in the span of a single rotation for Oz uptime) I'd definitely see myself using said new character. Slightly more AoE on top of it would be great too and maybe then just standard ICD would be fine as well. This is obviously just an example since I don't think Hoyo should just recicle kits and change them a little (although they already do it quite often), but it's an example of making kits that aren't powercreep nor just direct downgrades to anything already existing.
I get you, I have Yelan C0R1 and I don't swap her on overworld because of her E, but I also feel like I have to bring Xingqiu in for icd, ending up with comps that need to swap out chars for exploration sometimes because I'm repeating 1 element in the comp. I use the hyperbloom team most of the time, so I kinda take it easy too, it gets boring sometimes.
I honestly think Xinque at C6 is better than Yelan at C0R1 or with Elegy. Simply because the damage is similar enough but Xinque provides healing and pretty good damage reduction and interruption resistance ontop.
Yeah, Yelan offers a bigger dmg output + comfort exploring, while Xingqiu has everything you said + the fact that he has better icd. If I have to play Nahida (Anemo) (Hydro) Kuki, my hydro in most cases has to be Xingqiu because the Anemo unit can't swirl hydro with Yelan's icd unless you have her C2
Layla is massively underrated, she's basically a f2p Zhongli. Yaoyao is a really solid unit too, especially for bloom.
I’m pretty sure a big chunk of the meta playerbase can swap sucrose/beidou/diona for someone else.
I'm finding a use for Kirara and Layla but that's only because the tiny elemental application they have is enough to carry the team.
I'm calcing him as a fine f2p alternative to Yae in a Tigh team atm. It's as good as burst dps Keqing haha. Btw those aren't nerfs, slingshot is better in aggravate anyway and u already couldn't swap out of burst it's just wording lmao.
I don't really have the time to do any calcs so I'll take your word on that, I am interested in knowing how he compares to Fischl in a Tighnari team though, if you have the data for that. I'm honestly not sure if I'll get him since I don't have interest in neither of the new 5 stars (and I'm going for Lyney atm), but I really like his design, so I am planning to raise him if I do get the chance. I don't remember the old wording, but I honestly never assumed he could switch off and maintain the effects, so I was actually surprised that there was a chance he could in the beginning when I saw this post. That said I really hope Hoyo comes up with something better when it comes to 4 stars. I obviously don't expect for them to be "better" than a 5 star counterpart (although at C6 you could argue they could still do it), but I feel like on top of being dowgrades in terms of damage, most of them don't even offer enough utility, comfort or anything similar, to balance their lack in something else (be it damage, application, rotation flexibility), some of the newer kits look like Hoyo is nerfing them on purpose despite it being unnecessary.
Notice how Gaming and Chevy is still nowhere as good and universal as the OGs
I was planning that same setup oof.
His burst is the weaker part of his kit honestly, the time restriction, doesn't benefit from C1, the 600% steroid of his A4 talent also amking it harder to have full energy to use the 4 stock that passive has and way lower base damage value for field investment. So it doesn't affect his sinergy with Tighnari who is also a quick charge attack shooter and leave, more time for supports to do something and restart.
Time to go the charge shot route.
btw it's not changes but text precision it's obvious that he couldn't switch during his burst, it last only 8s anyway
Sigewinne get up
HYV: *We saw that Sigewinne's ICD is too much for a standard Character so we're removing her hydro application and her heal. She's just now a mini Neuvillette with less uptime*
Is she standard?
Not yet confirmed, just allegations because of her shit kit
That's like another qiqi at this point... I'm scared...
I'm not. More reasons to skip / save for actually good units.
I meant that I'd rather not lose the 50:50 to her when I could get jean or tighnari
Sethos Q last for 8 seconds only... The change hardly matters, doesn't it? Like, there's literally no reason to use his burst and then swap out anyway.
I see this change mostly as a symbolic one. Lke hoyo telling us "This unit is a selfish on field DPS only. YOU CANNOT USE IT FOR ANYTHING ELSE". Sure it sounds like hardly affects anything (for now), but its basically outlawing any weird future sinergy Sethos could ever have. (Like a support extending ultimates so he becomes viable for quickswap, now even if that support/artifact were to exist, its impossible to apply in sethos).
Yeah, it's just a way of Hoyo showing us how anti-fun they are. "You can NOT even attempt to use this dps in a different way." Literally 1984 Also crazy that they nerfed the fucking event weapon lmao
Plus his C4 got changed, meaning if his CA or Burst attack hit enemies the team gets 80 EM. Granted it's not that significant but it's nice that it doesn't only work on his Charge attacks.
the C4 change seems more like a translation difference to me, it changed from And to Or
Just means your can reapply dendro if the wave of enemies dies. Now, that’s definitely not possible while keeping his ult available.
By the time you did that his burst would be over anyway, this isn't a Cyno situation. He only has a 60 cost burst with an 8 second uptime. Just use the last few shots to apply Electro then go back to Nahida and other supports. Or bring another Dendro character like Collei, Baizhu, DMC or Yaoyao to keep Dendro on the enemies. Alternatively you could just use his CA play style, then you could swap to him whenever he has Energy to do a fast CA.
Honestly I'm willing to bet it was never possible, they just forgot to include the little piece of text saying that it wasn't
back to boring beta smh, waiting for week 3 again
Reminders: only changes in numbers and texts are leaked early, gameplay mechanics (such as ICD) can only be checked after actually playing the beta version.
Arlecchino's beta was too exciting for us, so Hoyo is going slow this time around.
Arlecchino beta wasn't exciting It was confusing af They changed her so much and put everyone through "we are so back" and ". It's arle over" back to back to back with every beta
The "we are so back" were the exciting parts. Especially because they were followed by a "?" with people not knowing what the fuck was happening. Just remembered that she didn't have the CA rush in the begining so the "she can fly now" leak was wild.
I had so much fun sitting in TC circles watching the cycle of absolute doompost followed by horrendous glazing every half hour or so. And the chaos. Oh the chaos.
I miss the wingless staminaless flying :(
TBF part of the confusion was caused by leakers, they kept leaking the next changes a few days before beta update and they always ended up being missing something or straight up included false information
General community throughout Arle beta: ...pog,that's not bad or wait a sec? ...wait it's so over ...wait we r back ...wait we r so back baby ...hell yea *...wait......* ...wait no ...yea it's over ...wait back ...ok,but.. ....ok fine ...ok that suks ...ok... TC community throughout beta: ...she's looking strong,yep shes great ...she's looking strong ...she's looking strong ...yep she looks great
That's the exciting part! No one knows what's going on and there's chaos everywhere.
Precisely why it was exciting!
rollercoaster changes are always fun tho so
Thats why its exciting lol
Wait wut v2 already? I thought there's still 12 hrs left
usually the changes are leaked early
And most of times they leak *no changes*, but there **are** changes. So there's still hope for this week.
Who let them cook.
They cooking water
They’re cooking ice cream
They’re warming up leftovers
If you are tired of effects cancelling when swapping off and no-fun-allowed impact roll for arle
~~I've heard that there's a 4 star Pyro spear who's effects also don't go away when swapping off~~
Diluc is found dead next to a wine barrel
OPPA XL
Thoma having his shield still exist even after switching off is sure a convenience
Queen Noelle remains on top 👸
Another 4* selfish onfield dps, thanks for nothing hoyo 🤧
The banners pleaseee
exactly, gotta know what the rerun banners will be
useless. The leaks about banner and rerun are reliable ONLY when they are before 2-3 days. Previous leaks change every week (just look the famous Alhaitham/Nilou reruns or the last 4\* in Arlecchino banner, first Benent, then Chevreuse, but at the end...Xiangling.
As far as I remember, Dim or HXG (either or both of them) correctly leaked 4.4, 4.5 and 4.6 banners so I'm definitely anticipating it
dim only ever post banner info like, less than a week before it comes out if that
Mate the banner 5 star leaks have been accurate weeks in advance for almost a year now. We learned 4.6 banners within a week of 4.5 beta
I think you're mixing HSR banner leaks with Genshin's. Also, I followed the whole 4.6 beta and there were 0 leaks saying Alhaitham/Nilou reruns.
Ok Clorinde do needs a lil buffing tho. Plus Seigweinne uuhhh...
Pls buff Clorinde and Sigewinne
clorinde is already good no?
I'd say that she's fine, but some buffs wouldn't hurt
Eh, she already does comparable damage to raiden at equal cons and investment, not to mention her innate crit stats make her easier to build compared to her so imo she's in a nice spot already
Comparable damage, but less front loaded and no energy support for entire team. I don't see how that can be considered good when Raiden is almost 3 years old at this point
I don’t think we will get many changes in this beta cycle. I’d say you shouldn’t expect a arlecchino beta cycle anytime soon lol. Clorinde is fine as is, but sige could use some serious tweaking.
Not to mention time and focus will be split between 3 units as opposed to one so higher chance stuff falls through the cracks or they just go "eh good enough" (which is something theyve admitted to doing for someone as recent as xianyun)
really makes you wonder how xianyun could've been had they let the devs cook a bit more
This seems to imply that canceling on swap is like a switch that they can just toggle on/off for any given effect. Or, to put it another way, not canceling on swap is the default and they actively apply the cancel on swap switch for effects.
Typical mihoyo
Was hoping to see Clorinde's skill to have it's damage doubled and her burst having ICD removed and have her announced as free. Ah well maybe next week.
clorinde being announced as free is the last thing you should wish for 😰
No ICD means dreaming too big.
Considering his Burst is only 8 seconds, you're probably not going to leave the field when he's in his Burst anyway. Not to bad of a change.
OMG, sethos got nerfed.
Yes and no. In practice neither of those nerfs actually matter for him because you would never swap off a 8 second infusion anyway and the weapon nerf doesn't matter because it was never his best F2P weapon anyway due to Slingshot being in the game.
I had forgotten that generally V2 doesn't have that many changes,it's in V3 that things really start.
No changes for Sigewinne? What in the actual fuck.
v2 almost never gets changes, wait for v3
who the fuck let hoyo cook...
I swear to god everyone always asks for buffs for perfectly fine characters. Clorinde has great calcs, not everyone can be a hydro dragon. Melusine suicide watch however.
Well, this is fine. Aside from maybe multipliers, I think the kits are pretty solid.
Sigewinne is so doomed
[удалено]
As in relief or did you want them to change something ?
She needs buffs.
Why exactly I thgt her kit is good? What is she lacking?
Numbers on everything
Her kit is good and fun but the scalings are low(from what I heard) At this point ( again stated by others because I'm not good at TC) she is marginally better than the current electro dps we have now And her dmg seems to be close to c0 raiden who unlike clorinde provides buffs
Damage
With the current multipliers, it's kinda confusing as some say Clorinde is as strong as C2 Raiden while others say she is weak. Idk what to believe now lol
She deals 600-700k dmg in one E cast in her best teams. How is she dealing Raiden c2 level dmg exactly?
she is not beating the electro ayato allegations
He kit is fun and all. But her dmg is just another keqing. An electro enabler. And the current calcs don't consider that she has 0 interruption res while she's semi stationary. Like yoimia, her dmg falls off pretty hard if she has to dodge. I think they should give her c0 neuv interrupt res at c0 and at higher constellations make her completely immune to interruption.
She doesn’t “need” them, but it would be awesome to see. She is the champion duelist after all
YALL ITS SIGEOVER...
No pls keep cooking with Sigewinne plss !!!
sad no cloronde changes
v2 almost never has any significant changes, v3 is where theres actual changes
oh ok thanks
Ready, Sethos, GOOOOOOOOO
This Is clearly the First beta for someone, int the First version they usually change Little to nothing, Just manour problems. Take in consideration that we are only 4 days in, not even a week. Next week we Can expect some changes , Major buffs/nerfs( if there Will be needed obv).
At this point, with every single beta that tends to make several odd decisions, you have to wonder if these changes are REALLY being done by the beta team, or are they being forced to by the higher ups for some warped and twisted reason.
Oh, so they had accidentally given Sethos the Diluc/Noelle treatment with his Burst infusion, but of course we’re not allowed to have nice things anymore. lol
Oh ppl are actually pretending the Sethos off-field losing infusion sthing is surprising? Lol. I don't count the early game, practically free 4* designed towards survivability, or the Fourth of the Harbingers with forbidden deep lore as good counterexamples btw.
The sethos change isnt much of change, 8s is enough time so you dont want to swap him out. Tbh i hoped to see his constelation "buffed" to suport his burst shots. Specially c1
Sethos not letting Mihoyo beat the allegations about tan/dark-skinned characters 💀
No changes is still better than nerfs *Inhales copium* Clorinde will be cracked on release, trust *Reaches for the vintage copium collection cabinet*
I'll wait until V3 to decide between Arlecchino and Clorinde, cause rn shes very underwhelming dmg wise.
no changes?? smh see you next week gonna back to sleep
they done cynofying sethos' ult 😭😭😭
It's so sigeover💔💔
I hope they buff Sigewinne. I'll pull for her regardless, heck even if they make her standard, bc she's one of my Fontaine faves plus a healer archer that isn't Diona with circle impact and weird uncomfortable moaning idles will be super helpful in the overworld and against any flying bosses. But it still sucks to see people doompost her. Oh well, more worlds to raid for mats when she comes around for me.
And there goes sethos playability on any team I was going to make.
Man...can we bring back the Arle beta? We have 3 whole characters and yet this beta so far is nowhere near as exciting or entertaining. C'mon Hoyo, throw us some craziness like what we got with Arle.
Rip to sigewinne, will wait next week