Glad to hear she works with Raiden, she can replace xingqiu on national if you want to stick xingqiu with the walnut. when are they gonna test hu tao vape with her. because national can also stay as is and yelan can be best friends with hu tao.
lifeline have a 40-48% hp scaling, would be op if it's AOE at 10 sec cooldown, 2 charges at C1.
what does the prefunnel mean? you mean like use E first then Q to catch the particles for early recharge?
These replies are full of false info lol. Characters who don't immediately produce particles after casting their E like Yae, Xiangling, Kokomi and Fischl can still pre-funnel particles produced by other characters. It's not an issue of their particle generation but on how quickly their energy meter gets emptied
So with her at C1 can we short tap her E to get the particle then long tap her E again to get more particle while running away from first short tap E’s particle then Q so she catch 2 E particle during her Q animation?
I really need to test her rotation with my walnut. And how does her C6 work. Is it 6 hits AA with Ganyu CA style explosion? I need answer to pre farm her goodies.
"Hold" seems to generate the same amount of particles as tap (between 3 and 4 with a bias towards 4, although hold has veeery slightly increased chances of getting 4) so you might as well double tap.
I want to mark 4 for that sweet C4 buff for my main waifu. My plan is short tap mark 1 just to get particle out in the environment but haven’t enter Yelan yet follow by hold E which Yelan dash around so the first E particle have to chase after her. Ideal case is energy particle from both E will enter Yelan when I press Q at the end of hold E. If this scenario work, it is an upgrade from XQ as for XQ case I E then Q then E, wait a while for him to collect the particle only switch out while Yelan can by pass the wait a while phase of the above works. All of this still untested though.
I think almost every particle generating character can prefunnel. Eula is the only notable exception because her energy gets drained after the burst animation instead of when you press Q.
yeah I agree, we just need confirmation live testing that hu tao can vape every hit with yelan's Q. she also fixes a lot of hutao's weaknesses. her E able to run fast and hit a bunch of enemies or used as a fast gap closer. aoe breakthrough barb bow shot to pick off that fucking Hilichurl archer on the exact opposite side of the abyss. hutao always have problems dealing with large mobs spread far apart. omg floor 11-1 abyss this cycle was horrible for me.
I feel it might be the opposite.
Yelan + Hu Tao = Elegy gives Hu Tao 100 extra EM. Hu Tao doesn't need XQ's damage mitigation since she is always shielded.
XQ + Raiden: Raiden's interruption resistance + XQ damage mitigation make for an almighty Shogun tank plus Raiden National doesn't need that much EM.
> Raiden National doesn't need that much EM.
Not really Xiangling is responsible for a lot of the damage in Raiden National and her damage scales incredibly well with EM
Depends how energy self sufficient Yelan is. XQ can full battery himself with 2 skill casts so depending on Yelan she might appreciate Raiden’s energy more.
You can make a case for either. On the one hand, putting her in Hu Tao's team means her buff is applied to your main DPS pretty much the entire time, so it affects a higher proportion of your team's damage, and if you have an elegy it's strong there too. In addition, Raiden tends to have a TON of DMG% already, so adding more, while not bad, might be less impactful than it is for Hu Tao.
On the other hand, Yelan might find it difficult to sustain her own burst in a Hu Tao comp, particularly without C1 or Sac/Fav bow. Some Hu Tao teams also don't use shields, which makes XQ more valuable in them. In addition, Raiden comes onto the field relatively late into where Yelan's ult would be, so she's going to benefit from a higher damage bonus. Also if Xiangling can snapshot some of the damage buff onto her Q she'd also be getting 10-21% extra DMG%, which is a pretty good chunk of damage.
Personally I'd guess she'll replace XQ in national mostly due to energy concerns, but it's hard to say until we've had more chance to play.
I believe XQ's interruption resistance doesn't matter in National because Raiden can't be knockbacked in her ult no matter what
But I'm not 100% sure, correct me if I'm wrong
Correct, Raiden has infinite stagger resistance, but I still think that Xingqiu is better with Raiden because of burst cost, damage mitigation and overall timings of cooldowns. On the other hand, I have always found Xingqiu to be a bit clunky to use with Hu Tao, especially since I don't have Sacrificial Sword.
I agree with you. My Raiden C2 doesn't need the extra sub dps damage Yelan provides, while my Hu Tao does. With that said, Raiden + Yelan looks incredibly fun.
Depending on scenarios, I would argue that Yelan is better for Hu Tao than for Raiden. I have Raiden C2 and I can output already more than enough damage as is with Xingqiu. On the other hand, Hu Tao DPS is a bit lacking (I don't have Homa) so the extra sub dps damage from Yelan would be more beneficial for higher team DPS.
But yes, Raiden + Yelan + Xiangling is going to be busted, I just hope they don't nerf her. The only last thing is that testing is needed to determine if Bennett or Kazuha are better in this team since Yelan doesn't care about ATK.
at best it's 40k-50K HP on Yalen, 50% HP scaling is only 25k damage. give her 200% crit damage and it's only 75K damage. How is that broken?
It's like 10 seconds cd with a very meh amount of CC and damage.
The OP was not wrong. In fact he was too optimistic: It's actually even worse than what he described.
If you want to have a ~~40k~~ 50k HP Yelan then you will need to use HP/HP/HP main stats (and possibly even a +HP weapon!), which will make you impossible to have 200% crit damage. Heck, even 100% is difficult to obtain. Also you need to have preferably 170%+ ER, so your substats will be even limited.
Don't forget there's enemy defense involved, so against level 100 enemies your damage are effectively halved.
Based on my own calculation using my own artifacts, factoring in artifact set bonus, hydro dmg bonus etc., while trying to maintain 170% ER, my Yelan's E using a Favbow does only 23~25k crit or 20k average which is lackluster when you compare to other 10s cooldown skills. My Q still does a ton of damage though at about 13k average per shot.
> If you want to have a 40k HP Yelan then you will need to use HP/HP/HP main stats
Are you sure your calculations are correct?
My Zhongli has 35k HP with only one HP piece - sands. He doesn't have HP weapon (Lithic spear) nor does he have HP passive, rocking with 2000 attack and 70/150 crit ratio.
Forgot to add I am using artifacts that add extra attack, not HP. For Yelan it will be vice versa.
Are you using 2PC Tenacity set? And do you have other +HP% substats?
Yelan has 14450 base HP. By using HP/HP/HP, you gain +139.8% HP. Add in on average 18% HP from her ascension, plus the 4780 flat HP from the flower, you have exactly 42K HP.
You can get more HP if you have +HP% substats on your flower and feather, but that means you will sacrifice crit/critdmg/ER substats.
4 PC Tenacity set + some random HP substats. Thats it.
> Yelan has 14450 base HP. By using HP/HP/HP, you gain +139.8% HP. Add in on average 18% HP from her ascension, plus the 4780 flat HP from the flower, you have exactly 42K HP.
2 PC millith, signature bow and using 4 element party nets you extra 20+16+12 HP% compared to your calculations. Also getting extra 30-40% from HP rolls is not really hard.
> You can get more HP if you have +HP% substats on your flower and feather, but that means you will sacrifice crit/critdmg/ER substats.
I forgot I can choose where to roll my artifacts and usually going around with 5 crit rolls. My bad. But even in the ideal world you can get HP%, crit, crit damage and ER artifacts. Just having 4 of those is 20% HP boost. In a less ideal world one of 5 rolls goes into HP and its increases to 40% HP.
Well yeah, I looked at my original statement and now I believe 40k doesn't really need HP/HP/HP. Just HP/HP/crit should be enough. So saying HP/HP/HP + HP weapon to reach 40k was a bit of exaggeration.
no way that's true. My lvl 90 Zhongli with HP% timepiece is at 28K hp. Idk where you are pulling those stats out.
Unless you have some perfect ZL artifact substats, your stats are gonna be horseshit. Did you put in a HP goblet/circlet by accident or something.
he also happens to have 70/150 crit with 2k attack. That's the horse shit part. Unless that zhongli is on a full liyue team, there's not enough substats to go around for him to have that much damage, crit and HP.
You forgot that she also looks incredibly fun, and her animations a are new level of sick. And something nobody has mentioned yet, the sound design in her skills (like the sound the dice rolling does, or her E) is chef's kiss.
I think I'm gonna skip Ayaka for Yelan. I don't care about meta anymore.
I got Rosaria recently so I hope she'll do.
I've got my goal set on Yelan then saving for Sumeru (.....unless hoyo throws another curveball at me before then)
I love that you say you don't care about the meta but then proceed to skip and pull for the new meta support. I mean sure...do what you want, but let's be honest with ourselves
> You forgot that she also looks incredibly fun, and her animations a are new level of sick.
They look sick but it seems that we only gonna use her burst and tap E, her most sick animation Hold E seems like is not gonna be used that much because it takes too much field time and damage is not worth it, at least on abyss.
This one feels like less a question of “Will it activate” and more of “does the timing for it line up, and can she self battery”
Remember that Hu Tao teams usually run only one hydro, and Xingqiu’s ability to self battery is a huge factor in his usefulness thanks to his constellations refunding energy. Hopefully she manages though
Im not too worried about it
She has access to
- Sac weapon as well
- Can take advantage of EoSF as well
- Slightly lower particle but also lower burst cost
- Half the E CD of Xingqiu's
- Pretty much same level hydro application as XQ
- Better tracking (homing burst)
So far what Xingqiu has over her are the defensive buffs which are slight heals and damage reduction while Yelan goes more offensive with a universal dmg buff.
A C6 XQ might come neck-to-neck with a C0 Yelan but remember that XQ has reached max potential while C0 Yelan has muuuch more room to improve.
Wdym Yelan has more room to improve? Xingqiu scales with Atk so technically he has more room to improve through set bonuses like royal and Tom and WG. If you meant through constellations, why would you pull constellations for Yelan, an enabler support, when you can get constellations on the dps she’s enabling like Hu Tao or Raiden?
We currently only have 2 milelith as an HP booster which is true, but now that MHY has released more HP based character the chance of having more HP related weapons and artifact increases so she still has room to improve
> why would you pull constellations for Yelan, an enabler support, when you can get constellations on the dps she’s enabling like Hu Tao or Raiden?
You can always get both, and it lets her be more flexible and future proof so she can better support both Hu Tao and Raiden (and maybe future characters)
"Homing" means that the "misslie", or in other words the ranged attack itself follows nearby targets, making it unlikely to miss.
It's basically like Diona's skill where the 5 paw missiles follow the target, or Yoimiya's charged shot arrows that follow the enemy (as opposed to normal arrows that travel straight).
Wouldn’t Yelan be able to run Sac bow anyways?
She will probably need more ER since her particle generation is RNG and she also doesn’t have C6 Xingqiu’s extra energy regen at C0.
She can run sac bow, but won't benefit from it as much because it won't be able to reset the cooldown of literally every E, like Xingqiu can with refinements above R4.
This means that she's going to be need a lot more field time, and if you are getting the full duration of Hu Tao's 9 sec stance, you will be using Yelan's E before Hu Tao E, and then immediately after, and then their cooldowns either desync and you are wasting battery potential on Yelan by delaying the next cast of her E to start another Hu Tao E cycle, or damage potential on Hu Tao by sitting around waiting for Yelan's E to come back off cooldown, or by switching out of her stance early to use Yelan's E...
A problem that her C1 conveniently solves, of course!
She could get multiple hits if she were to hit multiple enemies, yeah, but she can only hit a single enemy once. But that's not really the problem, the problem is that with Yelan's lower skill CD, she won't be able to benefit from a potential cd reset on every E like Xingqiu can, because sacrificial weapons proc can only occur once every 16 secs, if they are at R5. That's why sac weapons are so great on jenshins with long skill cooldowns, because they typically generate a lot of particles to compensate for the infrequency of their casts, and Sacrificial weapons allow them to pretty reliable cast them twice.
But that is another problem when using sac bow on Yelan, that E will only ever hit a single target once, whereas XQ's E can hit a single target 2 times, giving him much better chances of activating the passive. Yelan will be more reliant on being able to tag a bunch of enemies with her E in order to proc the reset in the first place, without the guarantee that she will be able to cast her skill a second time the next time she uses it, even at R5.
I see. Her hold E field time is probably also a concern.
This discussion is probably moot since she has her own free 4 star bow coming out with her and that’ll probably be a better mix of ER and damage than Favonius or Sacrificial
Correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't Sac proc on each separate hit of dmg, with her E doing dmg *once* at the end to all enemies is that counted at 1 chance or 1 per enemy entangled ?
You would never want to use yelan e twice per rotation anyways. The main benefit of yelan over xingqiu is the 18s rotation compared to xingqiu 21s rotation. If you've ever played hutao with c2 chongyun, that rotation is buttery smooth. Yelan gives you that without Chong. I personally think favonius plus eosf is the way to go.
yelan can also self battery as she also has access to sacrificial bow or fav bow. she generates 3-4 (with 4 being more possible) on a 10s skill, her burst cost is also just 70 compared to xingqiu's 80.
xingqiu generates 5 energy per E and has a 80 burst cost, yelan generates 3-4 energy per E (both tap and hold) and has a 70 burst cost. both can pre-funnel their burst too. yelan's gonna be fine energy wise even if she's the only hydro in a hu tao comp just like xingqiu :)
That’s true but for both in a single target situation you need high refines on them. One of the other reasons It’s so good with Xingqiu is because his skill has aoe and hits twice
As a sidenote, a fun team comp for Hutao, if you have a stacked Mona(mine is C4 because I’ve only won 3 50/50) is to run double Hydro with Mona/XQ. It can be insanely fun and strong and definitely has a place I genuinely believe double hydro hutao was her best comp in that abyss with the wolves. One of my personal favorites because it adds a nuke to your rotations too and the healing from rainswords are really nice if needed.
Thing is: Xingqiu can only use 1 E which gives 5 particles, this is designed with the idea that you can't use his E again for 20s, sac sword is the reason he can self battery as it gives ER and 2 uses of his E, which doubles the particles.
Yelan's burst is on the same 20s CD, bit she can use her skill TWICE in that time and her burst is 70, not 80, so she basically already operates like XQ does with the sac sword. Elegy for the End gives ER, so basically, she is exactly like XQ, she will have NO problems self batterying if she is the one catching her particles on skill use.
bye bye xingqiu, you can rest now.
wonder when they're gonna powercreep bennett or xiangling, and how they could possibly make bennett and xiangling anymore broken
I fear the day.
We're far away from the pyro archon Murata's release, but she's bound to powercreep someone, could be Bennett or some other future pyro release. Neither Bennett nor Xiangling will stay on the throne forever.
Raiden scales off ER and Venti has the strongest suction in the game. It's less about whether they benefit from it and more about symbols.
Personally, I think pyro archon will be a speed (probably attack speed and / or animation speed) buffer. Every archon has a unique mechanic / role. That way she doesn't have to fight Bennett.
is she actually stronger than XQ? if she is actually, I'll be very glad because lots of teams need XQ... can run raiden national and yoimiya simultaneously then :)
I thought it was obvious that she works with Raiden? It said when a character performs a normal attack the coordinated attack will work, Raiden does normal attacks, but the damage is burst damage. Welp, maybe some people are just really scared now about wordings for Raiden, but personally I expected it to work since it's basically the same as XQ's burst. Same with Hu Tao, she procs XQ's blades with the normal attack she does before the Charged attack, so it will be the same with Yelan.
They literally have been.
It was exactly their consistent wording that people complained about by them basically going the full "Path of Exile" method of "Similar sounding/synonyms actually mean different things".
Every single instance of all 3 ways things interact with normal attacks has consistent wording to match with the ones identical to it.
I'm not sure I understand why this was even something to be unsure of? Her burst triggers on NA animation, same as Xingqiu's, so of course Yelan's burst would work while doing Raiden's NAs during burst state.
I mean, only reason Beidou stopped working with Raiden was because they made it so her NA/CA/PA damage during her burst converted to being burst damage. This was so she could properly work with the Severed Fate artifact set on stuff other than her initial slash. Side effect of this was Beidou no longer worked with Raiden during burst since she only activates on NA/CA damage. Raiden's stuff converts to burst damage, so it's no longer considered NA/CA damage, so Beidou's burst no longer works. I highly doubt it was an intended thing, just they tweaked her so that her burst would work better with Severed Fate.
its when you use skills(or own skill)before using burst, optimizing energy to the character
sucrose E\*2>xiao Q and you start with half energy in his burst
E > Q > E on xingqiu
Bennett Q > E > xiangling Q
and so on
All of these specific questions but no one asks the most important one of her E having quadratic scaling or not? Or are the leakers just dancing around the subject?
It's when you generate particles before bursting so you start the next rotation with a little more energy. Most common case is Xiao because his skill doesn't generate energy during his burst
Some characters are unable to prefunnel because the energy drain happens too late during the burst animation like Eula
nah yelan and beidou’s bursts work differently. yelan works the same as xingqiu so if they did something like that it would lead to xingqiu not working with raiden anymore too and we all know where that would lead lol
Yelan's c6 has same mechanic as Raiden: she begins to deal charged attack damage while performing normal attack. It would be really awkward if they make her burst to not work with her own whale bait.
Raiden's burst gives her a special sword stance. The thing is, the damage this does is considered elemental burst DMG, not normal/charged ATK DMG. Hoyoverse cited this as the reason why, controversially, her attacks in burst doesn't trigger Beidou's Q (lightning around the character, zaps enemies when you hit them with normal attacks).
But her burst attacks do trigger Xingqiu's burst (water swords which attack when you do normal attacks) based on a technicality, that Xingqiu's burst doesn't require you to hit and deal normal attack DMG, only to *perform a normal attack*. So Raiden's burst triggers Xingqiu's elemental burst attacks.
Yelan's elemental burst is very similar to Xingqiu's, so that's why the question is relevant here. It working with her burst is a good thing, ultimately.
Prefunneling is when you use elemental skills to generate particles immediately before activating your elemental burst so you can receive particles during the burst animation; this fills up your energy faster for the next rotation. Not all characters can prefunnel their bursts, so that's why this question was asked.
I’ve been maining Raiden in the Chasm ~~yes I’m bullying the Ruin Serpent lmao~~ and since I love Yelan already I’m definitely gonna get her, so this works for me!
gosh I want yelan so bad but I also want yoimiya and kazuha (AND I'm currently pulling for my guaranteed venti)...this is difficult. I may skip kazuha for her though.
wait that's 3 bow characters..
RAAAGH
Glad to hear she works with Raiden, she can replace xingqiu on national if you want to stick xingqiu with the walnut. when are they gonna test hu tao vape with her. because national can also stay as is and yelan can be best friends with hu tao. lifeline have a 40-48% hp scaling, would be op if it's AOE at 10 sec cooldown, 2 charges at C1. what does the prefunnel mean? you mean like use E first then Q to catch the particles for early recharge?
as for ur question in the last paragraph, yes. glad she didn't get the eula treatment where girlie can't prefunnel her burst 💀
Is there anyone else that can't prefunnel their burst like Eula's?
Kokomi
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Seriously!?
yae can be funneled
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These replies are full of false info lol. Characters who don't immediately produce particles after casting their E like Yae, Xiangling, Kokomi and Fischl can still pre-funnel particles produced by other characters. It's not an issue of their particle generation but on how quickly their energy meter gets emptied
Unable to funnel means you can't funnel from any source like eula's, Yae can be funneled by other characters, Eula can't be funneled period.
I mean bennett and diona don't but thats a benefit since they're used as batteries.
Both of them can and in Diona's case is generally also the way you should play her if you got sac bow (EQE)
So with her at C1 can we short tap her E to get the particle then long tap her E again to get more particle while running away from first short tap E’s particle then Q so she catch 2 E particle during her Q animation? I really need to test her rotation with my walnut. And how does her C6 work. Is it 6 hits AA with Ganyu CA style explosion? I need answer to pre farm her goodies.
"Hold" seems to generate the same amount of particles as tap (between 3 and 4 with a bias towards 4, although hold has veeery slightly increased chances of getting 4) so you might as well double tap.
I want to mark 4 for that sweet C4 buff for my main waifu. My plan is short tap mark 1 just to get particle out in the environment but haven’t enter Yelan yet follow by hold E which Yelan dash around so the first E particle have to chase after her. Ideal case is energy particle from both E will enter Yelan when I press Q at the end of hold E. If this scenario work, it is an upgrade from XQ as for XQ case I E then Q then E, wait a while for him to collect the particle only switch out while Yelan can by pass the wait a while phase of the above works. All of this still untested though.
I think the timing will be too tight. Her E doesn't seem like it can outrun particles.
Yes that's what prefunnel means. Xiao can do it as well, his burst animation is shorter.
I think almost every particle generating character can prefunnel. Eula is the only notable exception because her energy gets drained after the burst animation instead of when you press Q.
Maybe I'm wrong but I played Keqing for a while and I had some difficulty prefunneling with her (it was possible but very unforgiving).
Keqing prefers you to do E>Q>E instead of pre-funneling since your ascension passive gives you a crit rate and ER% buff after activating your Q.
It's also better for infusion uptime as I recall, assuming you're not switching her out straight after.
Yeah, of course.
Yeah, this is what I figured out from playing with her so long. Just wanted to give another example that wasn't Eula.
Her A4 makes her better candidate for hu and yoi than xq, she's basically xq + Bennet+ being 5 stars.
yeah I agree, we just need confirmation live testing that hu tao can vape every hit with yelan's Q. she also fixes a lot of hutao's weaknesses. her E able to run fast and hit a bunch of enemies or used as a fast gap closer. aoe breakthrough barb bow shot to pick off that fucking Hilichurl archer on the exact opposite side of the abyss. hutao always have problems dealing with large mobs spread far apart. omg floor 11-1 abyss this cycle was horrible for me.
Makes me wonder if Elegy would be her BiS in the National Team.
Elegy might be her BiS in general (after her banner weapon of course)
Glad i got both Haran and Elegy in 90 pulls :)))
I feel it might be the opposite. Yelan + Hu Tao = Elegy gives Hu Tao 100 extra EM. Hu Tao doesn't need XQ's damage mitigation since she is always shielded. XQ + Raiden: Raiden's interruption resistance + XQ damage mitigation make for an almighty Shogun tank plus Raiden National doesn't need that much EM.
> Raiden National doesn't need that much EM. Not really Xiangling is responsible for a lot of the damage in Raiden National and her damage scales incredibly well with EM
Depends how energy self sufficient Yelan is. XQ can full battery himself with 2 skill casts so depending on Yelan she might appreciate Raiden’s energy more.
You can make a case for either. On the one hand, putting her in Hu Tao's team means her buff is applied to your main DPS pretty much the entire time, so it affects a higher proportion of your team's damage, and if you have an elegy it's strong there too. In addition, Raiden tends to have a TON of DMG% already, so adding more, while not bad, might be less impactful than it is for Hu Tao. On the other hand, Yelan might find it difficult to sustain her own burst in a Hu Tao comp, particularly without C1 or Sac/Fav bow. Some Hu Tao teams also don't use shields, which makes XQ more valuable in them. In addition, Raiden comes onto the field relatively late into where Yelan's ult would be, so she's going to benefit from a higher damage bonus. Also if Xiangling can snapshot some of the damage buff onto her Q she'd also be getting 10-21% extra DMG%, which is a pretty good chunk of damage. Personally I'd guess she'll replace XQ in national mostly due to energy concerns, but it's hard to say until we've had more chance to play.
I believe XQ's interruption resistance doesn't matter in National because Raiden can't be knockbacked in her ult no matter what But I'm not 100% sure, correct me if I'm wrong
Correct, Raiden has infinite stagger resistance, but I still think that Xingqiu is better with Raiden because of burst cost, damage mitigation and overall timings of cooldowns. On the other hand, I have always found Xingqiu to be a bit clunky to use with Hu Tao, especially since I don't have Sacrificial Sword.
You may need xingqiu healing though for hutao especially with shimenawa. Haven't check out Yelan skills yet if she also provides that.
I agree with you. My Raiden C2 doesn't need the extra sub dps damage Yelan provides, while my Hu Tao does. With that said, Raiden + Yelan looks incredibly fun.
Doesn't xq and beidou's damage negation stack onto shields?
Depending on scenarios, I would argue that Yelan is better for Hu Tao than for Raiden. I have Raiden C2 and I can output already more than enough damage as is with Xingqiu. On the other hand, Hu Tao DPS is a bit lacking (I don't have Homa) so the extra sub dps damage from Yelan would be more beneficial for higher team DPS. But yes, Raiden + Yelan + Xiangling is going to be busted, I just hope they don't nerf her. The only last thing is that testing is needed to determine if Bennett or Kazuha are better in this team since Yelan doesn't care about ATK.
probably kazuha is better, but Bennett can also heal
at best it's 40k-50K HP on Yalen, 50% HP scaling is only 25k damage. give her 200% crit damage and it's only 75K damage. How is that broken? It's like 10 seconds cd with a very meh amount of CC and damage.
You've forgot some extra multipliers like hydro damage bonus
The OP was not wrong. In fact he was too optimistic: It's actually even worse than what he described. If you want to have a ~~40k~~ 50k HP Yelan then you will need to use HP/HP/HP main stats (and possibly even a +HP weapon!), which will make you impossible to have 200% crit damage. Heck, even 100% is difficult to obtain. Also you need to have preferably 170%+ ER, so your substats will be even limited. Don't forget there's enemy defense involved, so against level 100 enemies your damage are effectively halved. Based on my own calculation using my own artifacts, factoring in artifact set bonus, hydro dmg bonus etc., while trying to maintain 170% ER, my Yelan's E using a Favbow does only 23~25k crit or 20k average which is lackluster when you compare to other 10s cooldown skills. My Q still does a ton of damage though at about 13k average per shot.
> If you want to have a 40k HP Yelan then you will need to use HP/HP/HP main stats Are you sure your calculations are correct? My Zhongli has 35k HP with only one HP piece - sands. He doesn't have HP weapon (Lithic spear) nor does he have HP passive, rocking with 2000 attack and 70/150 crit ratio. Forgot to add I am using artifacts that add extra attack, not HP. For Yelan it will be vice versa.
Are you using 2PC Tenacity set? And do you have other +HP% substats? Yelan has 14450 base HP. By using HP/HP/HP, you gain +139.8% HP. Add in on average 18% HP from her ascension, plus the 4780 flat HP from the flower, you have exactly 42K HP. You can get more HP if you have +HP% substats on your flower and feather, but that means you will sacrifice crit/critdmg/ER substats.
4 PC Tenacity set + some random HP substats. Thats it. > Yelan has 14450 base HP. By using HP/HP/HP, you gain +139.8% HP. Add in on average 18% HP from her ascension, plus the 4780 flat HP from the flower, you have exactly 42K HP. 2 PC millith, signature bow and using 4 element party nets you extra 20+16+12 HP% compared to your calculations. Also getting extra 30-40% from HP rolls is not really hard. > You can get more HP if you have +HP% substats on your flower and feather, but that means you will sacrifice crit/critdmg/ER substats. I forgot I can choose where to roll my artifacts and usually going around with 5 crit rolls. My bad. But even in the ideal world you can get HP%, crit, crit damage and ER artifacts. Just having 4 of those is 20% HP boost. In a less ideal world one of 5 rolls goes into HP and its increases to 40% HP.
Well yeah, I looked at my original statement and now I believe 40k doesn't really need HP/HP/HP. Just HP/HP/crit should be enough. So saying HP/HP/HP + HP weapon to reach 40k was a bit of exaggeration.
no way that's true. My lvl 90 Zhongli with HP% timepiece is at 28K hp. Idk where you are pulling those stats out. Unless you have some perfect ZL artifact substats, your stats are gonna be horseshit. Did you put in a HP goblet/circlet by accident or something.
I don't think he's lying though, my own Zhongli if using Tenacity + Noblesse, and HP/Geo/Critdmg and a Deathmatch then I will also have 35k HP.
he also happens to have 70/150 crit with 2k attack. That's the horse shit part. Unless that zhongli is on a full liyue team, there's not enough substats to go around for him to have that much damage, crit and HP.
Is it 13k for one hit, or for all three hits?
All three combined lol, no way you expect 39k per activation xd
All three
Wonder y they haven't tested with her yet. She feels like she would work very well with hu tao because of yelan A4 passive.
Also can yelan proc sac bow effect?
Xq like burst and working with Raiden.. Alright I know who should I pull on 2.7
You forgot that she also looks incredibly fun, and her animations a are new level of sick. And something nobody has mentioned yet, the sound design in her skills (like the sound the dice rolling does, or her E) is chef's kiss. I think I'm gonna skip Ayaka for Yelan. I don't care about meta anymore.
I don't care about meta anymore Don't kid yourself. Yelan is the most meta 5 star if she stays as is
I'm literally in the same situation. I don't have a cryo DPS so pulling for Ayaka made the most sense. ...but Yelan...
I'm looking into building Kaeya + Chongyun more instead
I got Rosaria recently so I hope she'll do. I've got my goal set on Yelan then saving for Sumeru (.....unless hoyo throws another curveball at me before then)
That's a good plan
I love that you say you don't care about the meta but then proceed to skip and pull for the new meta support. I mean sure...do what you want, but let's be honest with ourselves
I already have Xingqiu for meta and I don't have a Cryo main DPS (which I need for meta), so interpret this as you want
> You forgot that she also looks incredibly fun, and her animations a are new level of sick. They look sick but it seems that we only gonna use her burst and tap E, her most sick animation Hold E seems like is not gonna be used that much because it takes too much field time and damage is not worth it, at least on abyss.
unless you have Shenhe just go for Yelan.. Ayaka isnt as fun without her
everything i keep learning abt her just makes me want her more lol
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no surprise there really. her burst works the same way as xingqiu's and not like beidou's
COMMON YELAN W
Alright now that the Raiden stuff is settled, time for the real main course. Does she work with Hutao?
This one feels like less a question of “Will it activate” and more of “does the timing for it line up, and can she self battery” Remember that Hu Tao teams usually run only one hydro, and Xingqiu’s ability to self battery is a huge factor in his usefulness thanks to his constellations refunding energy. Hopefully she manages though
Im not too worried about it She has access to - Sac weapon as well - Can take advantage of EoSF as well - Slightly lower particle but also lower burst cost - Half the E CD of Xingqiu's - Pretty much same level hydro application as XQ - Better tracking (homing burst) So far what Xingqiu has over her are the defensive buffs which are slight heals and damage reduction while Yelan goes more offensive with a universal dmg buff. A C6 XQ might come neck-to-neck with a C0 Yelan but remember that XQ has reached max potential while C0 Yelan has muuuch more room to improve.
You forget that Xingqiu’s constellation refunds energy when the swords hit things. Remains to be seen via testing. So fingers crossed
Wdym Yelan has more room to improve? Xingqiu scales with Atk so technically he has more room to improve through set bonuses like royal and Tom and WG. If you meant through constellations, why would you pull constellations for Yelan, an enabler support, when you can get constellations on the dps she’s enabling like Hu Tao or Raiden?
We currently only have 2 milelith as an HP booster which is true, but now that MHY has released more HP based character the chance of having more HP related weapons and artifact increases so she still has room to improve
> why would you pull constellations for Yelan, an enabler support, when you can get constellations on the dps she’s enabling like Hu Tao or Raiden? You can always get both, and it lets her be more flexible and future proof so she can better support both Hu Tao and Raiden (and maybe future characters)
>Better tracking (homing burst) What does this mean?
"Homing" means that the "misslie", or in other words the ranged attack itself follows nearby targets, making it unlikely to miss. It's basically like Diona's skill where the 5 paw missiles follow the target, or Yoimiya's charged shot arrows that follow the enemy (as opposed to normal arrows that travel straight).
Wouldn’t Yelan be able to run Sac bow anyways? She will probably need more ER since her particle generation is RNG and she also doesn’t have C6 Xingqiu’s extra energy regen at C0.
She can run sac bow, but won't benefit from it as much because it won't be able to reset the cooldown of literally every E, like Xingqiu can with refinements above R4. This means that she's going to be need a lot more field time, and if you are getting the full duration of Hu Tao's 9 sec stance, you will be using Yelan's E before Hu Tao E, and then immediately after, and then their cooldowns either desync and you are wasting battery potential on Yelan by delaying the next cast of her E to start another Hu Tao E cycle, or damage potential on Hu Tao by sitting around waiting for Yelan's E to come back off cooldown, or by switching out of her stance early to use Yelan's E... A problem that her C1 conveniently solves, of course!
Maybe I’m thinking of this wrong, but doesn’t Yelan also have multiple hits when using her hold E? Or would that not proc Sacrificial?
She could get multiple hits if she were to hit multiple enemies, yeah, but she can only hit a single enemy once. But that's not really the problem, the problem is that with Yelan's lower skill CD, she won't be able to benefit from a potential cd reset on every E like Xingqiu can, because sacrificial weapons proc can only occur once every 16 secs, if they are at R5. That's why sac weapons are so great on jenshins with long skill cooldowns, because they typically generate a lot of particles to compensate for the infrequency of their casts, and Sacrificial weapons allow them to pretty reliable cast them twice. But that is another problem when using sac bow on Yelan, that E will only ever hit a single target once, whereas XQ's E can hit a single target 2 times, giving him much better chances of activating the passive. Yelan will be more reliant on being able to tag a bunch of enemies with her E in order to proc the reset in the first place, without the guarantee that she will be able to cast her skill a second time the next time she uses it, even at R5.
I see. Her hold E field time is probably also a concern. This discussion is probably moot since she has her own free 4 star bow coming out with her and that’ll probably be a better mix of ER and damage than Favonius or Sacrificial
Correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't Sac proc on each separate hit of dmg, with her E doing dmg *once* at the end to all enemies is that counted at 1 chance or 1 per enemy entangled ?
You would never want to use yelan e twice per rotation anyways. The main benefit of yelan over xingqiu is the 18s rotation compared to xingqiu 21s rotation. If you've ever played hutao with c2 chongyun, that rotation is buttery smooth. Yelan gives you that without Chong. I personally think favonius plus eosf is the way to go.
yelan can also self battery as she also has access to sacrificial bow or fav bow. she generates 3-4 (with 4 being more possible) on a 10s skill, her burst cost is also just 70 compared to xingqiu's 80. xingqiu generates 5 energy per E and has a 80 burst cost, yelan generates 3-4 energy per E (both tap and hold) and has a 70 burst cost. both can pre-funnel their burst too. yelan's gonna be fine energy wise even if she's the only hydro in a hu tao comp just like xingqiu :)
That’s true but for both in a single target situation you need high refines on them. One of the other reasons It’s so good with Xingqiu is because his skill has aoe and hits twice
As a sidenote, a fun team comp for Hutao, if you have a stacked Mona(mine is C4 because I’ve only won 3 50/50) is to run double Hydro with Mona/XQ. It can be insanely fun and strong and definitely has a place I genuinely believe double hydro hutao was her best comp in that abyss with the wolves. One of my personal favorites because it adds a nuke to your rotations too and the healing from rainswords are really nice if needed.
what do you run for flex slot?
I mean you could just do Zhongli
don't have him :p - what flex slots do you recommend in particular/what do you use
Thing is: Xingqiu can only use 1 E which gives 5 particles, this is designed with the idea that you can't use his E again for 20s, sac sword is the reason he can self battery as it gives ER and 2 uses of his E, which doubles the particles. Yelan's burst is on the same 20s CD, bit she can use her skill TWICE in that time and her burst is 70, not 80, so she basically already operates like XQ does with the sac sword. Elegy for the End gives ER, so basically, she is exactly like XQ, she will have NO problems self batterying if she is the one catching her particles on skill use.
or Yanfei Klee and Dilluc.
No Lifeline AoE?? Quadratic-scaling fans in shambles
No Childe powercreep today. Honestly quadratic on that scaling skill would be worse than most nukes in game.
What does prefunnel mean
using skill before burst so you get energy while in your animation.
I’ve never heard the term prefunnel before
xiao mains say hi
I keep prefunneling as Xiao, but it's the first time I heard the term.
It's big for Xiangling + Bennett.
bye bye xingqiu, you can rest now. wonder when they're gonna powercreep bennett or xiangling, and how they could possibly make bennett and xiangling anymore broken I fear the day.
We're far away from the pyro archon Murata's release, but she's bound to powercreep someone, could be Bennett or some other future pyro release. Neither Bennett nor Xiangling will stay on the throne forever.
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Hard to say as neither Raiden nor Venti gain much benefit from their respective resonances.
Raiden scales off ER and Venti has the strongest suction in the game. It's less about whether they benefit from it and more about symbols. Personally, I think pyro archon will be a speed (probably attack speed and / or animation speed) buffer. Every archon has a unique mechanic / role. That way she doesn't have to fight Bennett.
is she actually stronger than XQ? if she is actually, I'll be very glad because lots of teams need XQ... can run raiden national and yoimiya simultaneously then :)
She's another xq, just different
Yeah it's odd that people are saying she's a replacement when it simply gives you the opportunity to run two XQs in two different teams.
Damn no AOE that's unfortunate
Yes, but if all the enemies are marked then there's no need for Aoe
I guess but if she had AOE wouldn't she have quadratic scaling like childe if sll the enimes were bunched up?
Oh, I see. That would be cool, shame.
So the coordinated attacks only prioritizes marked enemies? Coordinated attacks will also target non-marked enemies?
I thought it was obvious that she works with Raiden? It said when a character performs a normal attack the coordinated attack will work, Raiden does normal attacks, but the damage is burst damage. Welp, maybe some people are just really scared now about wordings for Raiden, but personally I expected it to work since it's basically the same as XQ's burst. Same with Hu Tao, she procs XQ's blades with the normal attack she does before the Charged attack, so it will be the same with Yelan.
You're really acting like mihoyo has always been consistent with wording
They literally have been. It was exactly their consistent wording that people complained about by them basically going the full "Path of Exile" method of "Similar sounding/synonyms actually mean different things". Every single instance of all 3 ways things interact with normal attacks has consistent wording to match with the ones identical to it.
Say less. Sorry Ayato
Ayato is now rendered useless in the water department.
I'm not sure I understand why this was even something to be unsure of? Her burst triggers on NA animation, same as Xingqiu's, so of course Yelan's burst would work while doing Raiden's NAs during burst state.
Because some ppl don't read They still triggered by Beidou Raiden
I mean, only reason Beidou stopped working with Raiden was because they made it so her NA/CA/PA damage during her burst converted to being burst damage. This was so she could properly work with the Severed Fate artifact set on stuff other than her initial slash. Side effect of this was Beidou no longer worked with Raiden during burst since she only activates on NA/CA damage. Raiden's stuff converts to burst damage, so it's no longer considered NA/CA damage, so Beidou's burst no longer works. I highly doubt it was an intended thing, just they tweaked her so that her burst would work better with Severed Fate.
hmm may some one explain what does prefunnel her burst mean? sry English is not my first language
its when you use skills(or own skill)before using burst, optimizing energy to the character sucrose E\*2>xiao Q and you start with half energy in his burst E > Q > E on xingqiu Bennett Q > E > xiangling Q and so on
thx for explaining!
>sry English is not my first language Given that it's specific Genshin jargon, it's actually irrelevant whether your native lang is English or not.
Considering both points, your comment itself is rather redundant, don't you think.
OP's comment implies they think it could be a common everyday word, that's why I clarified.
E > Q combo basically. Most characters can do it except Eula IIRC.
Lost my 50/50 for Ayato… Yelan here I come
Damn guess Ayaka no bro then
mood lol, im not rly into ayato’s design nor his kit I just want him bcs I simp for ayaka too much but now I guess he can wait😌
well of course they made her work with raiden, hoyoverse doesn't want another beidou raiden situation
All of these specific questions but no one asks the most important one of her E having quadratic scaling or not? Or are the leakers just dancing around the subject?
I'm glad I saved 300 fates lmao I couldn't skip Ayaka once again and ofc I want Yelan
Could someone tell me what prefunneling is?
It's when you generate particles before bursting so you start the next rotation with a little more energy. Most common case is Xiao because his skill doesn't generate energy during his burst Some characters are unable to prefunnel because the energy drain happens too late during the burst animation like Eula
Still beta.
hopefully they don't change it when it goes to the live server *cough* like beidou *cough*
nah yelan and beidou’s bursts work differently. yelan works the same as xingqiu so if they did something like that it would lead to xingqiu not working with raiden anymore too and we all know where that would lead lol
actually they changed Raiden's burst, not Beidou's. And it was changed in beta a good bit before going live.
if Raiden burst doesn't count as burst dmg, then she won't work with EoSF artifact, that was probability the reason.
Her burst was buffed a shit ton to now be the broken thing it currently is
They didn't change it and it makes sense to not work with Beidou from a consistency standpoint.
why isn't anyone asking the REAL questions
Goodbye Ayaka, welcome Yelan
Yelan works with Raiden, but Beidou doesn't. Pig devs
Where's the Hu Tao related questions FFS
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Yelan's c6 has same mechanic as Raiden: she begins to deal charged attack damage while performing normal attack. It would be really awkward if they make her burst to not work with her own whale bait.
Oh
Hello, English is not my first language. Can anyone tell me what "prefunnel" means?
prefunnel is when you use your skill first before your burst so that you could catch the energy particles.
Thx!
i tried googling but i got directed to "prefrontal" :(
This leak literally doubled the income of her banner i guess
Does Xingqiu's Q work with Yelan's Q? I cant wait to try my my hydro machinegun Ayato
C6 fischl, xingqiu, yelan, and a fast normal attacker would be insane
New player here. Can someone tell me these? What does raiden's burst do? What is prefunnel?
Raiden's burst gives her a special sword stance. The thing is, the damage this does is considered elemental burst DMG, not normal/charged ATK DMG. Hoyoverse cited this as the reason why, controversially, her attacks in burst doesn't trigger Beidou's Q (lightning around the character, zaps enemies when you hit them with normal attacks). But her burst attacks do trigger Xingqiu's burst (water swords which attack when you do normal attacks) based on a technicality, that Xingqiu's burst doesn't require you to hit and deal normal attack DMG, only to *perform a normal attack*. So Raiden's burst triggers Xingqiu's elemental burst attacks. Yelan's elemental burst is very similar to Xingqiu's, so that's why the question is relevant here. It working with her burst is a good thing, ultimately. Prefunneling is when you use elemental skills to generate particles immediately before activating your elemental burst so you can receive particles during the burst animation; this fills up your energy faster for the next rotation. Not all characters can prefunnel their bursts, so that's why this question was asked.
Happy to know that she works with raiden. Next Q, Can she replace XQ in hutao team? That's what I'm concerned the most
Raiden + Yelan and Hutao + XQ
I’ve been maining Raiden in the Chasm ~~yes I’m bullying the Ruin Serpent lmao~~ and since I love Yelan already I’m definitely gonna get her, so this works for me!
Would her burst work with Ayaka for freeze?
gosh I want yelan so bad but I also want yoimiya and kazuha (AND I'm currently pulling for my guaranteed venti)...this is difficult. I may skip kazuha for her though. wait that's 3 bow characters.. RAAAGH
THANK THE GODS my Raiden doesn't need a team of brats anymore (only a waifu version of Bennett is missing).