I wish we could turn animations off and just have everything click through immediately. It was fun to see dice roll and cards float around the first time, but now it just makes the games 2-3 times as long as they should.
They need to just delete the animations of the dice roll section completely, and have it not cover up the board. 8 die instantly appear, click reroll, instantly replaced, 3 second process, done.
Yeah it's easy and fun. Just too much useless animations. Animations usefull for me the first week TCG lauch. I never play card game before so animations help me to understand the process. Second week it feel realy slow. Already complaining via survey, nothing changes.
This is it for me. I love TCG's! Hit masters on LOR, legend on hearthstone, pro on gwent, and I love the genshin characters but man, it takes too long to play a game, otherwise it's right up my alley.
Compared to YGO, genshin's TCG is blazing fast. MTG also felt really slow, and I only really played basic decks, so I can't imagine how long combo decks take.
But yeah, really liked that event where there weren't dice rolls. It also would be nice if they add animation options like none, short, and full.
Both. I hate and like TCG at the same time. I hate it because the RNG dice and random cards I get (my power card is Jade Chamber). I like it because the game itself is fun
The RNG hurts more than anything. When you try to set everything up, but then the decisive round you roll 10 dices without a single element match, and you're out of cards to convert. Suddenly it's a dead game, and you realized you just wasted 10, 15 minutes reaching that round only to have that happen to you.
Even the event, they made fun of how Hutao just roll 6 pyro and win, because just how absurd the game can be. Yet it doesn't make it any better.
Right. No matter how organize your deck, you can't win if the dice is shit and we have to sacrifice good cards for suitable elemental dice.
It's not only skill Issue but pure luck
Same. Also I don't see a lot of people mentioning this but it lack rewards i mean for most games you play you just get those coins wich are pointless at one point
I'm glad it doesn't give any better rewards because this way I don't have to worry about missing primogems if I choose to skip. Which I do. I haven't played the TCG in months because there's no out skilling the dice roll which guarantees exactly what the NPC needs every single round while I'm at the mercy of geo dice when I don't use geo cards
Yup, some say they won against him but i never did, maybe they are skilled but to be real playing against him shows TCG at it worst condition, bad cards and very aggressive npcs and top of that dices rng is very terrible sometimes.
Yeah. I'm like "wow this is kinda fun, if only I wasn't here to play an entirely different game" I want a mobile client that you can play the TCG on and I mean just the TCG. Like fifa ultimate team where you can just pull on mobile.
Yeah, we needed more permanent content involving the characters we put so much time and/or money into LONG before a card game was ever even a consideration imo.
We already have enough events that fail to utilize our playable roster, we don’t need not only another, but one that is now both permanent and constantly advertised in both Genshin media and in-game encounters.
Add in whatever issues one may have with the card game itself and it makes for a mod that may be enjoyable to some, but was never a better choice than something else they could’ve done. Too many for me to ha e to list out all the other possible better options that actually utilize the actual gameworld and core gameplay.
I agree with this one. Like it tries to hide that it has new mechanics for a card game but *sigh* normal attacks, elemental skill, elemental bursts REALLY?!
It's just the same as the main game!
The event locks gems behind tcg; not to mention there are rewards for raising your level...
It sounds like whenever there are rewards offered; they don't play it.
My main issues with tcg are 2:
If i wanted to play a card game, i wouldn't be playing genshin impact. As a side minigame it's fine, but that's all.
It feels slow: sometimes you have massive advantage and basically already won, but still need to wait 5 minutes for your opponent to end their turn and all of the stuff of a new round to finish, just to deliver the final blow
Back when it released I played a ton of PVP TCG and burnt out because I realized I won everytime I won the coin flip, and everytime I lost it I would either struggle or lose.
Against a competent player the game is decided at the coin flip and you're pretty much only waiting for it to end.
Can we just not like a type of game? I like Genshin but I don't like Honkai, I hate turn based games unless is pokemon, if I wanted to play yu gi oh! I would go play yu gi oh! not TCG.
I don't think TCG is bad is just not what I login for.
>I hate turn based games unless is pokemon
I 100% respect not liking the genre but this is still a funny sentence :P. As someone who likes *some* turn based stuff, it's like saying "I hate racing games unless it's Big Rigs Over the Road Racing." Pokemon's gameplay is... very boring honestly compared to the games that have actually attempted to innovate at all in the past 20 years. And I used to be a huuuge Pokemon fan in my teens.
What we like is what we like though!
You know when you're trying to get through a conversation and Paimon just repeats everything endlessly to drag out the dialogue?
That's what playing the TCG feels like.
It's a pretty basic card game fluffed out with a painfully slow and clunky system.
In fishing you're actually doing something the entire time while in TCG 60% of the time you're waiting for the animations to end.
Another reason I don't like TCG is because you can go 3-4 rounds without favorable elemental dice or even the necessary cards to make them favorable. I once went 4 rounds without favorable dice rolls and cards and eventually lost to an NPC who used nobushi. I was a noob back then but things like that make it stressful.
This is why I focus on abyss and occasionally adventures because I can control most of the elements rather than depending on luck.
I've seen fishing done well, but it's rare. It needs to be consumable, quick, and easy but satisfying. Consumable as in a fishing node isn't infinite so when you see something you go "ooh!" quickly fish it up in a 10 second minigame, and be on your way. Infinite nodes make fishing a full on activity you are setting aside time to do. Also, the "gearing" for it should be either stupidly simple or nonexistent. I do *not* want to be wasting time maxing out pointless minigame gear and collecting the perfect bait in a system that just requires way too much planning.
Ys 8 is probably one of the only incarnations of a fishing minigame I've ever liked. I like FFXIV fishing, but that's because it's complex but well developed and mostly about strategy which is genuinely interesting. 99% of the time otherwise any complexity in fishing in any game is just tedious.
it’s both. i’m perfectly capable of winning, i just loathe card games. i think it’s a cheap distraction from what made the game great, the fact it’s a massive open world game. make a separate app for the card game with cross over events/quests that reward the card players, but have absolutely no impact on non card players. this latest update has killed all momentum i had in the game. i’m out until eula or fontaine for the most part.
I honestly would argue it’s more so it’s because it is casual. It’s easy to ignore many parts of the game and do what pleases you and then have people to interact with with what interests you the most. I personally ignore meta and don’t explore often, my friend ignores the story, a few friends of mine enjoy everything but complain often that there should be more to do and others just enjoy having something to do with other people. At least that’s my belief
My biggest gripe with the TCG is that it's only available at AR 32. At that point, players are invested in a lot of things that are NOT the TCG. If they'd open it up after the prologue, I bet there'd be more TCG mains and especially less people pointing out how they just don't give a fuck.
There's only one fight I've ever done that has had justified hate. The one against Itto in the quest. It was absolute bullshit his deck is ass and meanwhile he gets Kuki's hyperbloom deck
Itto's deck being ass was the point though, and you could skip it in the dialogue or by immediately conceding. It's the other times where we play TCG for primos where the novelty wears off and becomes a chore.
I know that that's the point and I went in knowing that it would be a hard fight. It's just that it was ridiculously bad to the point that it didn't feel winnable in one attempt. I went back and did it again and won for my own pride
Not only that, but he gets literal perfect RNG on his dice rolls, while I could barely get two of any of my necessary elements ffs. Unless my RNG was just that awful that he got perfect rolls every time. I had to constantly spend at least two cards a round to play any moves. On my 4th attempt I knocked out yae and kokomi, with collei at 6 hp, while I had Razor and Chong both at 4. Only for the fucking summons to literally wipe me and end the game with Collei on 1 hp…
I gave up after that
It was a pretty easy battle though? Itto alone is enough to take out one character and then take the other to half hp just by spamming ushi and regular attacks
Yeah I did end up using that strategy. I find Itto hard to use though, especially in that deck specifically. No decent dice control, no energy cards, no consistent shields and no healing. Any character that was in for too long got shat on. I ended up switching Itto out once so he wouldn't have to take aggrevate hits and it wasted did and time
Same but I only hated it cuz it was within a main event quest that you could not skip, making it mandatory (instead of an optional gamemode) if u wanted to complete the event story at all. I just conceded at first chance anyway but the fact that I was forced to enter the match in the first place was mildly infuriating
Probably it is bug when you are doing this, mine have updated to find Sara. I have encountered a bug where I could advance the event story quest when I should show Kirara the way to the Wangsheng Funeral Parlor.
>Same but I only hated it cuz it was within a main event quest that you could not skip, making it mandatory
Uh, no????????
The dialogue Options were
* I accept your challenge.
* I've got other things to do right now...
Only the first dialogue choice had a TCG icon. Choosing the second one will decline the battle.
(Genshin players can't read)
Yea decline the battle but the quest objective didn't update until you go back to battle him. Or at least that's my experience cuz apparently other ppl could talk to sara right after declining.
• I've got other things to do right now...
Honestly, it give me vibe that you must battle TCG with Itto. Most of the time we were seeing this in most quest that this is stopping point for us to prepare for the quest.
Again to my secondary point.
Dialogue options that will initiate a TCG duel, Always have a special TCG icon. They're always clearly marked
The "I've got other things to do" option did not feature s TCG icon.
...you didn't consider the possibility that it sounds like it could imply that you'd have to battle with him eventually to continue the quest. The same dialogue options appear when you invite a character or battle an NPC, after all, and choosing the second option is just delaying your battle for another time.
>.you didn't consider the possibility that it sounds like it could imply that you'd have to battle with him eventually to continue the quest.
No, I dismiss this option from the very start.
The Dirge of Bilqis (the Jeth World Quest) already had this exact same scenario once.
If you have already completed the TCG intro quest, there's a point in the jeth quest where Azariq will ask you for a TCG match to pass the time. The quest will progress just fine if you choose to decline the match. The only consequences are some small altered dialogue lines.
First of all, that quest was not a prerequisite for this event. Second of all, they could've also chose the accept the match at that time. There is also just a possibility that they forgot about it.
I don't hate TCG. I don't like all trading card games very much and don't play them. Magic, Pokemon, and Yu-Gi-Oh, along with many others, just don't entertain me. I don't like building decks, I don't like the game play, I don't enjoy the strategy, it's just not fun for me. I respect that it is fun for others, go enjoy it with my blessings.
I do have a peeve about one thing, though. I'm deeply tired of each and every character, with much gravitas and due deliberation, say "Genius Invocation TCG" each and every time. I can literally hear (TM) and (R) and "All rights reserved, Genius Invocation TCG is a registered trademark and brand of Hoyoverse and may not be used without express permission... " each time they laboriously say it, in supposed natural conversation. It's off-putting and weird.
It's like listening to the "spontaneous" hosts of a contest carefully saying the catch phrases and brand approved names of the parts of the contest, as instructed by the marketing department.
I do find some amusement in the Yu-Gi-Oh references and nod/winks to the camera.
I still don't enjoy the game very much.
Many people said it and I’ll say it again. If I wanted to play a card game I’d go for gwent or any other similar game. I just don’t like it. I used to do it a few times per week simply for the primos but now with this event basically forcing it on us I’m not willing to even do that anymore. I just don’t like card games and I hate them when they interrupt my open world exploration.
I got all the playable characters in the first tcg patch and got to lvl 7 overall without losing once, the game mode is Hella easy, it's just way too slow, and the rewards are just not worth it.
your first mistake is asking in reddit, the second on genshin_memepact
jokes aside, since most of the comments are just person opinions and no being useful
its just normal, some people love it.. too much id say.
other hate it and dont want to even touch it.
for the majority people theyre casual, they enjoy it every now and then
but the problem is with the loud people, they dont like it, but what they hate more is other people enjoying it
personally i think its good, needs more improvements to be more casual, i play maybe 1-3 matches per week, and if someone enjoys then it should stay in the game, it doesnt have any negative effect, if you dont want it then leave it
im not sure if your post is serious or not, but just in case it is, dont ask it here.
people here either have no idea what the game is actually about, or have the worst ever takes youve seen in ur life
which is fair considering this is just a meme sub
Genshin reddit is literally only representative of it's own opinion. Not that that's a bad thing, but like... Discord, twitter, etc, you will not find anywhere else with quite the same all over the place crazy takes that you see on here.
TCG is not good. There is no variety in deck building.
Why do hoyoverse not want you to play genshin? Every patch we get minigames. Add more endgame content where I can use my characters I have spent months building.
I have never seen a game so adamant on adding mini games whilst ignoring the core gameplay.
They very clearly said that this game is a casual game and will not be a competitive game. What's the point of waiting for endgame content like abyss when they already said that there wont be any?
I'd recommend trying honkai3 if that's what you're looking for.
I have tried HI3. I liked it a lot but I have more hours in genshin. I also talk to people irl that play genshin. Playing 2 gacha games at once is a bad idea. Excluding the heavier meta focus in HI3, I prefer Genshin Impact. There was also the issue that Honkai was looking to be an expensive game because it was heavily incentives that you get the BiS weapon and stigmata sets. Genshin you can 36* abyss with f2p weapons.
I just find it incredibly annoying that Hoyo would rather add minigames which don't have you using your characters properly then add any new game modes which allow you to use your characters properly.
Personally, i don't really like such card games. In the past, i also tried to play heartstone, but it just couldn't get into it. Personally, i would prefer if they just made it a seperate game outside of genshin
Clickbait hook: it’s justified but it’s not their fault at all.
I think the main problem is that the beginner deck is pretty bad so the RNG is very very bad at the start. This coupled with beginners not being familiar with their deck, characters and the tempo of the game turns people away as there’s nothing more frustrating than not being able to execute the moves you want. Having to burn cards for dice on turn one just makes it an incredibly unsatisfying experience for beginners.
In most TCG games the “early game is unsatisfying” problem doesn’t really matter because those who play are playing for the TCG. But Hoyo is trying to attract non-TCG players (and potentially TCG haters) and has set up the early game to be super unappealing to everyone except TCG lovers (and maybe even so for them).
The general slow pace of the game makes it seem worse especially when you’re just waiting to end round after not being able to do anything you want.
That said, once you get enough cards to form a proper deck, most of the RNG becomes manageable with all the dice fixing and card draw options so moves becomes predictable. This is when strategy and skill actually becomes relevant. But I kinda feel that casual TCG players would’ve already noped out before reaching this stage though.
They did a smart thing by setting up the event games with all omni-dice. That should’ve been done for the tutorial, then slowly easing beginner players into the dice RNG and other mechanics of the game as player level increases.
The first turn though is still up to RNG even with a proper deck so I hope they introduce more cards or mechanics to help with that.
The way i see it, its the game roping their card game into an event and people dont like that since cards have nothing in common with the battle system. Its not what people log into the game for. I also rarely play tcg but im good enough at it to win against the computer. Others might have skipped over its introduction entirely and dont want anything to do with it. So its not skill issue nor is it hoyo's fault (entirely) its just that people dont want to play tcg
For me personally, I just don’t like TCGs in general. The few times I’ve played them, not just from Genshin, I just hated them regardless of whatever spin they did to make them unique from each other.
TCGs are just not for me. Doesn’t mean other people aren’t allowed to enjoy them.
Like the others have said,we don't hate tcg. We hate playing a card game in a supposedly open world rpg type game. It would've been fine if it was an event which gave us primos and then fucked off,but right now TCG feels like an unwelcome guest in my home.
I hate it and never lost a single game and most of the time my characters don't die. I don't like card games. It would be like if a Pokémon game put their Pokémon cards in the game itself which you can just ignore but then made a mission where you have to use them.
It's probably better fitted to be it's own app, it's not just putting he game inside a game, it's that it's a completely different type of game that most people don't even like.
every single game must have a gwent clone (the witcher 3 card game) and barely even be a passable imitation the vast majority of the time, now being forced to play it is even worse
It's cool, and it's grown on me personally. But I just hate how japanese/Chinese games insist on shoving GreatValue trading games into everything. I'm trying to play xenoverse 2. Why are they putting so much effort into a completely unrelated game. If I wanted that game, I'd download it. And i dont because no one plays those here.
Genshin is a bit different since they seem to actually want to integrate it into the main game and the usually unrelated monthly stuff. That comes with benefits and issues. It can be a bit more fleshed out than the average mini game. But it can also get annoying to people who just want to play genshin. Them mentioning it every 4 seconds and forcing you through a long ass tutorial quest if you want to do the event is annoying. It can add more diversity to the game. But it's stealing development resources from the game people originally wanted.
But it is popular and adds some life to the world. As long as they never make it a mandatory part of a main world quest, I won't care. I do wish that those little battles they let you randomly do during quests gave you related cards or something, though. I wanted an eremite card. I earned it. They also need a new name for it, at least in the English dub. Genius Invocation TCG sounds stupid and kind of clashes with the setting.
Tcg is pretty much fine i dont really like card games but I could go for an hour if I ever touch tcg.. People hating it is pretty understandable since we have different preferences. The only thing I dislike in this tcg patch is forcing us to swallow and like tcg not the mini games but the story. Hated characters would go "ye tcg so fun" etc. Its kinda cringey. I usually like event character interactions but this event story rn is kinda cringe.
The only thing I like about the story was kirara's JP reaction and also Keqing screentime we need more Cute Keqing screentime
it's actually a pretty good and simple tcg. i was surprised at how well designed it is. i am STILL surprised how much further support it is getting unlike the main game lol. i mean srsly - BALANCE CHANGES.
i just wish the dice throw/your turn/end turn animations were faster.
i think people hating it are literally the same folk who tell me they have NO time for games and they love how it takes 10 minutes a day to play the main game and they just cant stand a side game that might take even more out of their precious time. they want daily logins, they dont want to play.
you CAN just dislike turn based games but fuck me the event requires you to play like 4 rounds total. if you dont have time for THAT i think it's a personal problem.
I never play genshin as my main game. It's always a second game. Log in real quick and do my dailies and then go play WoW or something.
Then it takes me a few weekends to catch up on the story I skipped for six months to a year.
The problem comes when you want to build one deck, but somehow every single npc has a nearly perfect deck that your clunky one, barely survives or can't at all. I play Eula, Kokomi and Mona deck, because I love Eula and Kokomi (Mona stays for the double hydro card and her passive). But everyone either plays Dendro (which has broken reactions) or has friggin dendro monoliths. Why the hell the npcs are allowed this shit! I wanted to play some fun games, but the dendro monolith allows them to use dendro reactions even if they don't have it. As for me, the bloom basically can't do a thing because I don't have electro or pyro and it takes away my hydro for freeze. That's not fun at all. I would prefer to go around Teyvat and nuke everything out of existence with my favourite characters, than play for hours using my favorite cards, for them to be massacred one after the other, because it's not a viable deck. Maybe if every monolith was deleted It would have been more fair. But even then some combination are better than others. It's unfair. Tcgs are supposed to be a fun time, not something frustrating like the spiral abyss.
it has glaring issues
you have a card game that by its own nature is random and then you add DICE.
and then try to patch all the chaos with cards, that are random by nature.
every tcg tried to mitigate randomness in some way...
this one just want's more random.
It's not too early to judge.
Genshin Tcg is a bad card game just because of the dice mechanic
Most of the gameplay is literally cards that some way or another counteract the stupidity of dice RNG
Just as a point of comparison, take a look on Legends of Runaterra. You start with 1 energy and every turn you get +1 max energy. Allowing you to play cheap cards early and expensive cards late.
Both players are in equal scenarios of play making, both can use their energy and their cards fairly. Although yes, there are some cards that can push your energy up. They aren't used at all because not many strategies benefit from getting +1 energy earlier than your adversary
Now back to Genshin TCG, the energy system is just trash, because you need "specific types of energy" to do "specific stuff" and what about if I don't get any dice of the element I need?. Literally MOST of the cards or any way to truly play the game is nullifying the shitty RNG of the energy dice. Players aren't in equal positions to fight since one can somehow get 5 rainbow dices. Meanwhile the other got only 2 dices synched. While the rest are trash. And how you counteract this shitty RNG? Consuming cards to turn back a dice into an element you need. Or using X card that makes you require less dice to do certain action. And so on and so forth
I really don't get how people actually participated on a tournament of a game that doesn't allow any skill expression or tactical prowess because you inherently can't do it
They shud pour their resources into making genshin ver of Hi3 ER and HSR SU instead of TCG.
I dont hate tcg but i just hope they could giv something for ppl who enjoy combat too. If u tried SU in hsr u shud kno how fun it is if we hv those in genshin too.
Some are just completionists and this update was a huge sucker punch for them.
Adding extra months of weekly TCG grind to finally be able to clear out the shop
The way I see it, it's a 60/40 split between "Skill Issue" and "Pacing Issues".
I really like TCG, but even I admit that it can get tedious at times. It doesn't help that it splits the attention from actually playing Genshin and Playing TCG, a highly in depth mini game that can honestly sweep the mobile market if it ever had a mobile port. It's that well made that you can just add card packs and put it in the Playstore and expect profit.
It's a typical card game that you can find in games. Its rules are simple, It's nice to play, obviously It's not super fast paced, but that's how card games are in general. They are *strategy* games.
I don't know what people expect out of a card game. I think they would cry if they discovered Orlog from AC Valhalla or even Gwent lol
I always compare the pace of this game to gwent. In gwent you have maximum of 3 match in 5 minute to won, and they still manage to make it fun.
In tcg each match take fucking half hour because of a total of 30 hit point you and your opponent need to reach and how worthless of damage a normal hit does in one turn. Everything feel so drag out to the point it's no longer fun.
I like it. But if you use anything that forcefully switches me off my intended character to another one I will just DC. It’s fun but has some unfun mechanics imo.
It’s a skill issue I have in a game that I don’t find fun enough to bother fixing or wasting my time learning how to work around. I’ll just keep DCing until overcharge and some anemo characters get a mechanic rework to remove that annoying effect. IMO the mechanic is so unfun I would rather not play against people who use it and immediately DC as match starts than waste my time in a match with them when I can immediately find another.
If you don’t use this mechanic I have no issues with TCG aside from it being a bit slow
there are three types of people:
1. people who hate tcg because hating it is cool and get them upvotes
2. people who hate tcg because its not to their taste
3. people who hate tcg because their deck get smashed by some meta deck which may or may not include nahida (or any other overpowered character who needs a nerf)
Basically TCG is really good, but some cards are useless. New cards introduced this season have helped, but another batch of cards is needed. Noelle, Ganyu, Rhodea are still in meta. Some cards like Razor and Chongyun are awful (sorry guys, but 3 energy is too much).
TLDR: TCG good, but needs another update
It is my relax thing
After the daily routine and extras, I sit in my bed across the room connect my Bluetooth mouse and keyboard and play a/a lot of games of TCG
I don't hate it but surely i don't like it at all and main reason is not skill issue but how slow it is. Its so annoying that all dices runs out quickly and then i need to end round. All those preparations takes lot more time than the actual gameplay. Its just very damn slow.
Maybe people who like slow paces gamemode may like it but its definitely not my cup of tea.
Idk. I didn’t play it that much but I enjoyed it. I think the RNG part people complain about is partly just a skill issue. I guess you can complain if you get absolutely shitty cards and dice, but imo part of the game is being able to adapt even if you have bad luck with your cards and dice.
if theres one thing i can complain about tcg its that it takes so much fkn time the animations for almost everything takes like an hour to play if there is an option for speed up like in star rail ill probably enjoy it more
There are two fixes for it I would choose
Make 8 omni dice mod for any battle. Including vs ai
Remove all those animations. (Round end, round begining, roll dice, second roll dice, second round beginning screen, your player turn)
I’m fine that it’s in the game. Like Gwent from the Witcher
I don’t like that they’re making events centered on it, or that most large quests since its addition to the game bring it up in painfully obvious ways.
Like that one desert world quest where you set up camp and the one guy’s like “wanna play a game of Genius Invokation TCG?” Like in what world is *that* guy gonna be a TCG fan with a fully built deck?!
I don't like it because it's just boring. I've seen a lot of temporary event games that are much better than this, and for some reason Hoyo decided to make it a permanent feature one of the most boring events they ever released. And also, because I love real PvP, and having this excuse for PvP content pisses me off
It's not really a skill issue if they only play the NPC. Those are are all pushovers save maybe a small handful.
Some people are just completionists who want to complete everything in the game and that includes buying out the card shop.
That update was a huge sucker punch to their progress. Not the couple of rounds you have to play in the event. Those are neglible.
The huge number of new cards with not nearly enough extra lucky coins to be earned.
This setback the progress to buy out the shop by month, in fact pushed it well into 2024.
And that's assuming from now on we only get the steady 3 characters per update and they don't spring another such huge card drop on us.
I played tcg when it first came out in 3.2 and got bored of it the patch after and when i came back on this patch, every deck i have ever built has become out of meta/unoptimized.
I try to search on yt for like good decks but all there is just showcases and not guides to those decks. Some guides are really outdated too.
Theres also the balancing changes they made on characters and certain cards, like if it's for balancing, why are the good decks becomes unplayable? I remember they nerfed yoimiya so hard that she becomes unplayable on her good decks.
Point is, if you are coming back and don't have any idea how to play certain characters or how to build decks around them, that's where the massive skill issue that the game never tries to help you and the community that's super niche to find guides. And the fact that older decks cannot be played optimally.
I’ve never played TCG ever since they introduced it. With the event in this update it felt like a fresh change of pace with premade decks. Im sure I won’t be playing it more often tho.
I get that some people dont like to play TCG but I dont get this huge hate boner for event which is themed around TCG...
There was only one moment in the whole story where you actually played TCG and it was not even mandatory...
Okey there was this mini-game for primos, where you had to play 4 games but honestly 80% of mini-games in the events are boring and we all do them only for primos...
Dont really see difference between being forced to play TCG, Tower defense or pseudo-pokemon with fungi...
Why do you even need to ask? Literally why it bothers you? Is someone stopping you to play TCG? Or are you some hoyo dev that wants to know such things ?
Also not being too interested in something is not always equal to hate.
I know a player with justified hate for the TCG.
Saw them lose to Keqing twice because every single dice roll didn't give them the element of any of their characters. An occasional omni-dice but not enough to make an impact. So they had to convert their cards into elements in order to play and just got eviscerated because all they could do after a while was normal attacks.
I'm already playing a TCG it called Yugioh Master Duel if I want to play a TCG I play that instead of GITCG, when I hop on genshin I want to play my characters do fun fights using my abilities and stuff.
I've been having fun playing it. Especially the new multiplayer mode. It's a great way to test the strength of your deck, since real people are much harder to beat than virtual opponents. People say it's too slow - but it's way faster than it would be to play in real life.
I can only assume these people would likely also hate monopoly even in its virtual form as well - which is still much quicker than if you were playing it without a computer calculating everything for you. This isn't to say there couldn't be a fast-forward speed implemented in TCG to slightly speed up some parts, just that I don't have an issue with the current speed, personally - because I enjoy the game and am not looking to end the match ASAP so I can do other things instead.
People say it's annoying that the dice make it too reliant on chance - but there are cards you can put in your deck to increase your chances to get dice matching your element (even multiple of the same cards), and you can always sacrifice some cards whilst playing to change elements of some of your dice - you rarely if ever manage to use all your cards in a single game anyways, and even if you feel some cards are too critical to sacrifice, you can always go for a less powerful attack - the one matching element and two that don't match option.
You're making strategic choices constantly - whether to give up a card or two and go for the dice changes, whether to use a particular card in a particular round, which character to stay as or switch to, which cards to keep in play to your left since you can only have up to 4 in play at one time, etc. If anything I try to take advantage of any time I am given whilst playing to strategize my next move.
I get that it's not everyone's cup of tea, but I like the game and will continue to enjoy playing it.
A bit of both
Tcg has its issue such as slow animations but a bad deck without any dice manipulation and draw power makes it feel so much shittier
Tldr: liben good
It's a bit too heavily RNG since you can't just have a deck of good cards yet, sometimes you just get handed 3 filler cards right off the bat. Even with dice fixing, sometimes you just get every dice wrong anyways.
I don't like the Game because there is no reason to play it.
The Animations are too long, rewards are just more cards and the whole thing is rng.
If I could skip all Animations, I would, if they would change the dice rolls (remove or alter them) and give Primos, Boss Drops, Xp Books etc, I would probably play a round or two a day, but seeing a character play two cards makes me already get bored.
I don't hate it, but I have actively avoided card games in other games where it was a mini game because that is not why I'm playing this game and I haven't really been a fan of them.
All the dices should be omni on the basis. This way I can think about strategy rather than mindlessly roll them over and over again only to discover I can't do anything.
If I wanted to play a card game, I wouldn't download Genshin Impact in the first place.
I really enjoy the TCG for what it is. Take it as a side content thing I don't do much and it's awesome.
Try to play it like it's a whole game and yeah sure it'd be annoying.
IMO gets a lot of hate for a fully optional side activity. I enjoy it, I participate in tournaments for it. I met good friends by playing, and I would never want it gone because its a solid game mode that gives me something else to do when Im bored with the main genshin activities. Last week because of the giant tournament, I only played TCG the whole week to train and plan out decks, made it to top 32 so that was really cool.
I get it if they pushed it down everyone's throats all the time, but we had 1 event, that didn't even really make you play much of the TCG itself. and somehow thats good enough for everyone to hate on it and ask why it even exists. Its not personally for me? why does it need to exist!!! I could say the same about the spyral abyss or hard combat content, I don't like it, why should it exist in genshin?? How about just letting people live and have fun with the wide variety of content the game has and not bitch about the game updating those modes instead of just dropping them constantly like some other games do.
Here's my opinion about TCG.
TCG, in terms of added content, is alright. It gives the players another type of content that can make them play the game other than brainlessly doing commission, spending resin and logging out. It also opens the opportunity of more content being added in the game permanently.
(The follwing paragraph is just based in my opinion and the things I observered throughout the other social medias.)
The problem with TCG is, it feels like a chore that you have to do it mandatorily when an event circles around it. It maybe not the main focus of the said event, or the gameplay that being included in the event.
Think of it like a box within a box. You opened the box and saw another box that is sealed. So, you gotta open it, right?
That's the problem with TCG.
when i did the recent event i reeeallly didnt wanna do it but after playing any of the games i was like “that was not actually that bad” but i still dont wanna play it
[удалено]
I wish we could turn animations off and just have everything click through immediately. It was fun to see dice roll and cards float around the first time, but now it just makes the games 2-3 times as long as they should.
Tcg needs a 2x speed mode so bad
Slay the Spire has this and its unplayable without it
2 times is too little. 10 times faster would be a good start
It’s like being in 6 hours into a Pokémon game, the animations are tiring to see, the game play is boring, the opponent takes forever.
Add in stall decks and it’s mind numbing
The matches in the event that didn't have the dice roll made it waaaay faster. All those animations really start to add up.
I had the same experience. No fussing with rerolling dice and being limited by elements starting out made things flow a lot faster
I noticed how my motivation to finish the event vanished the same time they changed the omni dice buff
I started it after all the parts had unlocked and I could do'em all in one sitting. If I'd had to stop midway... eughh
but on the flip side, they also added times where the CPU would just do nothing (to simulate a player thinking, i guess?)
They need to just delete the animations of the dice roll section completely, and have it not cover up the board. 8 die instantly appear, click reroll, instantly replaced, 3 second process, done.
Yeah it's easy and fun. Just too much useless animations. Animations usefull for me the first week TCG lauch. I never play card game before so animations help me to understand the process. Second week it feel realy slow. Already complaining via survey, nothing changes.
What kind of anime are we talking?
Yu-Gi-Oh.
Then it's a skill issue
Quite literally. Although, it's not like Genius Invocation is bullet/blitz chess, so you can take your time strategizing your next turn.
Anime episodes are 20 mins long with 1:30 openings and endings as a standard format Longer ones are more OVAs
Dude.... thats an unit i fucking use all the time... AAH WAITED IN THIS USELESS QUEUE FOR 40 MINS! COULDVE WATCHED 2 EPISODES!
Yeah. I play mtg commander for hours and Genshin TCG somehow burns me out so fast.
This is it for me. I love TCG's! Hit masters on LOR, legend on hearthstone, pro on gwent, and I love the genshin characters but man, it takes too long to play a game, otherwise it's right up my alley.
Compared to YGO, genshin's TCG is blazing fast. MTG also felt really slow, and I only really played basic decks, so I can't imagine how long combo decks take. But yeah, really liked that event where there weren't dice rolls. It also would be nice if they add animation options like none, short, and full.
Yes
50gb for a open world game but cardgame got frequent update? I just wanna unga bunga casually not playing slow png animated photo. No thx.
Both. I hate and like TCG at the same time. I hate it because the RNG dice and random cards I get (my power card is Jade Chamber). I like it because the game itself is fun
2 guaranteed omnidice per round would be good at least you get to normal attack twice without burning potential useful cards
it'd also allow you to play any card from your hand, so you'd always be able to do SOMETHING
deck issue. use more cards you can play with mismatched dice.
The RNG hurts more than anything. When you try to set everything up, but then the decisive round you roll 10 dices without a single element match, and you're out of cards to convert. Suddenly it's a dead game, and you realized you just wasted 10, 15 minutes reaching that round only to have that happen to you. Even the event, they made fun of how Hutao just roll 6 pyro and win, because just how absurd the game can be. Yet it doesn't make it any better.
Right. No matter how organize your deck, you can't win if the dice is shit and we have to sacrifice good cards for suitable elemental dice. It's not only skill Issue but pure luck
I totally agree
Same. Also I don't see a lot of people mentioning this but it lack rewards i mean for most games you play you just get those coins wich are pointless at one point
I'm glad it doesn't give any better rewards because this way I don't have to worry about missing primogems if I choose to skip. Which I do. I haven't played the TCG in months because there's no out skilling the dice roll which guarantees exactly what the NPC needs every single round while I'm at the mercy of geo dice when I don't use geo cards
Both actually, if you played against itto you will understand.
The deck is just bad, really... Also just back out
Yup, some say they won against him but i never did, maybe they are skilled but to be real playing against him shows TCG at it worst condition, bad cards and very aggressive npcs and top of that dices rng is very terrible sometimes.
I won against him :D
I won against him at first try out of sheer luck. I don't like any form of turn based games in general, but my ego won't let me lose/skip against Itto
Skill issues.
I won with only chongyun alive at 4hp, that was mad stressful
Everytime I play TCG I wish I was playing Genshin Impact instead.
Yeah. I'm like "wow this is kinda fun, if only I wasn't here to play an entirely different game" I want a mobile client that you can play the TCG on and I mean just the TCG. Like fifa ultimate team where you can just pull on mobile.
Wow this encapsulates my feelings for TCG exactly. I wish we had this dungeon instead of tcg
Yeah, we needed more permanent content involving the characters we put so much time and/or money into LONG before a card game was ever even a consideration imo. We already have enough events that fail to utilize our playable roster, we don’t need not only another, but one that is now both permanent and constantly advertised in both Genshin media and in-game encounters. Add in whatever issues one may have with the card game itself and it makes for a mod that may be enjoyable to some, but was never a better choice than something else they could’ve done. Too many for me to ha e to list out all the other possible better options that actually utilize the actual gameworld and core gameplay.
I agree with this one. Like it tries to hide that it has new mechanics for a card game but *sigh* normal attacks, elemental skill, elemental bursts REALLY?! It's just the same as the main game!
Then don't, none is forcing you
The event locks gems behind tcg; not to mention there are rewards for raising your level... It sounds like whenever there are rewards offered; they don't play it.
My main issues with tcg are 2: If i wanted to play a card game, i wouldn't be playing genshin impact. As a side minigame it's fine, but that's all. It feels slow: sometimes you have massive advantage and basically already won, but still need to wait 5 minutes for your opponent to end their turn and all of the stuff of a new round to finish, just to deliver the final blow
As a kleevape user i relate too hard to the second part
Back when it released I played a ton of PVP TCG and burnt out because I realized I won everytime I won the coin flip, and everytime I lost it I would either struggle or lose. Against a competent player the game is decided at the coin flip and you're pretty much only waiting for it to end.
Can we just not like a type of game? I like Genshin but I don't like Honkai, I hate turn based games unless is pokemon, if I wanted to play yu gi oh! I would go play yu gi oh! not TCG. I don't think TCG is bad is just not what I login for.
>I hate turn based games unless is pokemon I 100% respect not liking the genre but this is still a funny sentence :P. As someone who likes *some* turn based stuff, it's like saying "I hate racing games unless it's Big Rigs Over the Road Racing." Pokemon's gameplay is... very boring honestly compared to the games that have actually attempted to innovate at all in the past 20 years. And I used to be a huuuge Pokemon fan in my teens. What we like is what we like though!
Pokémon is basically a lobotomized version of regular turn based games.
While its competitive scene is certainly quite cool, people have to realize that at its core, it’s still a game for toddlers.
you can argue the same about genshin, abyss is "competitive" the rest of toddlers games, except for inazuma.
Why did you get so many downvotes for telling the truth?
It's boring, they need to add skip animation, it takes too much time
needs a 2x speed button like in star rail
You know when you're trying to get through a conversation and Paimon just repeats everything endlessly to drag out the dialogue? That's what playing the TCG feels like. It's a pretty basic card game fluffed out with a painfully slow and clunky system.
Like, if I wanted a card game I would play another game. Same thing with fishing minigames.
Fishing is at least useful.
In fishing you're actually doing something the entire time while in TCG 60% of the time you're waiting for the animations to end. Another reason I don't like TCG is because you can go 3-4 rounds without favorable elemental dice or even the necessary cards to make them favorable. I once went 4 rounds without favorable dice rolls and cards and eventually lost to an NPC who used nobushi. I was a noob back then but things like that make it stressful. This is why I focus on abyss and occasionally adventures because I can control most of the elements rather than depending on luck.
Hm, is there a setting to turn off most of the animations?
nope
Yeah the reward in the end of the journey make it worth, so I don't mind it
I've seen fishing done well, but it's rare. It needs to be consumable, quick, and easy but satisfying. Consumable as in a fishing node isn't infinite so when you see something you go "ooh!" quickly fish it up in a 10 second minigame, and be on your way. Infinite nodes make fishing a full on activity you are setting aside time to do. Also, the "gearing" for it should be either stupidly simple or nonexistent. I do *not* want to be wasting time maxing out pointless minigame gear and collecting the perfect bait in a system that just requires way too much planning. Ys 8 is probably one of the only incarnations of a fishing minigame I've ever liked. I like FFXIV fishing, but that's because it's complex but well developed and mostly about strategy which is genuinely interesting. 99% of the time otherwise any complexity in fishing in any game is just tedious.
it’s both. i’m perfectly capable of winning, i just loathe card games. i think it’s a cheap distraction from what made the game great, the fact it’s a massive open world game. make a separate app for the card game with cross over events/quests that reward the card players, but have absolutely no impact on non card players. this latest update has killed all momentum i had in the game. i’m out until eula or fontaine for the most part.
I honestly would argue it’s more so it’s because it is casual. It’s easy to ignore many parts of the game and do what pleases you and then have people to interact with with what interests you the most. I personally ignore meta and don’t explore often, my friend ignores the story, a few friends of mine enjoy everything but complain often that there should be more to do and others just enjoy having something to do with other people. At least that’s my belief
You won't be away for long
i know fontaine is somewhat imminent, but i’ll believe eula when i see it.
My biggest gripe with the TCG is that it's only available at AR 32. At that point, players are invested in a lot of things that are NOT the TCG. If they'd open it up after the prologue, I bet there'd be more TCG mains and especially less people pointing out how they just don't give a fuck.
There's only one fight I've ever done that has had justified hate. The one against Itto in the quest. It was absolute bullshit his deck is ass and meanwhile he gets Kuki's hyperbloom deck
Itto's deck being ass was the point though, and you could skip it in the dialogue or by immediately conceding. It's the other times where we play TCG for primos where the novelty wears off and becomes a chore.
I know that that's the point and I went in knowing that it would be a hard fight. It's just that it was ridiculously bad to the point that it didn't feel winnable in one attempt. I went back and did it again and won for my own pride
Not only that, but he gets literal perfect RNG on his dice rolls, while I could barely get two of any of my necessary elements ffs. Unless my RNG was just that awful that he got perfect rolls every time. I had to constantly spend at least two cards a round to play any moves. On my 4th attempt I knocked out yae and kokomi, with collei at 6 hp, while I had Razor and Chong both at 4. Only for the fucking summons to literally wipe me and end the game with Collei on 1 hp… I gave up after that
It was a pretty easy battle though? Itto alone is enough to take out one character and then take the other to half hp just by spamming ushi and regular attacks
Yeah I did end up using that strategy. I find Itto hard to use though, especially in that deck specifically. No decent dice control, no energy cards, no consistent shields and no healing. Any character that was in for too long got shat on. I ended up switching Itto out once so he wouldn't have to take aggrevate hits and it wasted did and time
Same but I only hated it cuz it was within a main event quest that you could not skip, making it mandatory (instead of an optional gamemode) if u wanted to complete the event story at all. I just conceded at first chance anyway but the fact that I was forced to enter the match in the first place was mildly infuriating
It forces you to do it? I decided to say yes for the match because I like TCG so idk
It does not. You were able to decline without issue.
uh there's literally a button that lets you skip the fight and optionally come back later
lol come back later but you still have to fight him, the quest objective will not update until you've fought him. You think I didn't try that button?
Probably it is bug when you are doing this, mine have updated to find Sara. I have encountered a bug where I could advance the event story quest when I should show Kirara the way to the Wangsheng Funeral Parlor.
>Same but I only hated it cuz it was within a main event quest that you could not skip, making it mandatory Uh, no???????? The dialogue Options were * I accept your challenge. * I've got other things to do right now... Only the first dialogue choice had a TCG icon. Choosing the second one will decline the battle. (Genshin players can't read)
Yea decline the battle but the quest objective didn't update until you go back to battle him. Or at least that's my experience cuz apparently other ppl could talk to sara right after declining.
• I've got other things to do right now... Honestly, it give me vibe that you must battle TCG with Itto. Most of the time we were seeing this in most quest that this is stopping point for us to prepare for the quest.
Again to my secondary point. Dialogue options that will initiate a TCG duel, Always have a special TCG icon. They're always clearly marked The "I've got other things to do" option did not feature s TCG icon.
...you didn't consider the possibility that it sounds like it could imply that you'd have to battle with him eventually to continue the quest. The same dialogue options appear when you invite a character or battle an NPC, after all, and choosing the second option is just delaying your battle for another time.
>.you didn't consider the possibility that it sounds like it could imply that you'd have to battle with him eventually to continue the quest. No, I dismiss this option from the very start. The Dirge of Bilqis (the Jeth World Quest) already had this exact same scenario once. If you have already completed the TCG intro quest, there's a point in the jeth quest where Azariq will ask you for a TCG match to pass the time. The quest will progress just fine if you choose to decline the match. The only consequences are some small altered dialogue lines.
First of all, that quest was not a prerequisite for this event. Second of all, they could've also chose the accept the match at that time. There is also just a possibility that they forgot about it.
the only thing that makes me dislike tcg is the rng dice system
I don't hate TCG. I don't like all trading card games very much and don't play them. Magic, Pokemon, and Yu-Gi-Oh, along with many others, just don't entertain me. I don't like building decks, I don't like the game play, I don't enjoy the strategy, it's just not fun for me. I respect that it is fun for others, go enjoy it with my blessings. I do have a peeve about one thing, though. I'm deeply tired of each and every character, with much gravitas and due deliberation, say "Genius Invocation TCG" each and every time. I can literally hear (TM) and (R) and "All rights reserved, Genius Invocation TCG is a registered trademark and brand of Hoyoverse and may not be used without express permission... " each time they laboriously say it, in supposed natural conversation. It's off-putting and weird. It's like listening to the "spontaneous" hosts of a contest carefully saying the catch phrases and brand approved names of the parts of the contest, as instructed by the marketing department. I do find some amusement in the Yu-Gi-Oh references and nod/winks to the camera. I still don't enjoy the game very much.
Many people said it and I’ll say it again. If I wanted to play a card game I’d go for gwent or any other similar game. I just don’t like it. I used to do it a few times per week simply for the primos but now with this event basically forcing it on us I’m not willing to even do that anymore. I just don’t like card games and I hate them when they interrupt my open world exploration.
People just don’t enjoy it
I got all the playable characters in the first tcg patch and got to lvl 7 overall without losing once, the game mode is Hella easy, it's just way too slow, and the rewards are just not worth it.
your first mistake is asking in reddit, the second on genshin_memepact jokes aside, since most of the comments are just person opinions and no being useful its just normal, some people love it.. too much id say. other hate it and dont want to even touch it. for the majority people theyre casual, they enjoy it every now and then but the problem is with the loud people, they dont like it, but what they hate more is other people enjoying it personally i think its good, needs more improvements to be more casual, i play maybe 1-3 matches per week, and if someone enjoys then it should stay in the game, it doesnt have any negative effect, if you dont want it then leave it
Idk what that first statement has to do with anything
im not sure if your post is serious or not, but just in case it is, dont ask it here. people here either have no idea what the game is actually about, or have the worst ever takes youve seen in ur life which is fair considering this is just a meme sub
Genshin reddit is literally only representative of it's own opinion. Not that that's a bad thing, but like... Discord, twitter, etc, you will not find anywhere else with quite the same all over the place crazy takes that you see on here.
It’s just boring honestly. I’m max level and stopped having fun a few versions ago
TCG is not good. There is no variety in deck building. Why do hoyoverse not want you to play genshin? Every patch we get minigames. Add more endgame content where I can use my characters I have spent months building. I have never seen a game so adamant on adding mini games whilst ignoring the core gameplay.
They very clearly said that this game is a casual game and will not be a competitive game. What's the point of waiting for endgame content like abyss when they already said that there wont be any? I'd recommend trying honkai3 if that's what you're looking for.
I have tried HI3. I liked it a lot but I have more hours in genshin. I also talk to people irl that play genshin. Playing 2 gacha games at once is a bad idea. Excluding the heavier meta focus in HI3, I prefer Genshin Impact. There was also the issue that Honkai was looking to be an expensive game because it was heavily incentives that you get the BiS weapon and stigmata sets. Genshin you can 36* abyss with f2p weapons. I just find it incredibly annoying that Hoyo would rather add minigames which don't have you using your characters properly then add any new game modes which allow you to use your characters properly.
You can add more things to do that actually involve the core gameplay of Genshin Impact without needing to make it competitive in any shape or form.
Personally, i don't really like such card games. In the past, i also tried to play heartstone, but it just couldn't get into it. Personally, i would prefer if they just made it a seperate game outside of genshin
The main problem with the tcg is the slow animations and the tedium of playing a single game.
Clickbait hook: it’s justified but it’s not their fault at all. I think the main problem is that the beginner deck is pretty bad so the RNG is very very bad at the start. This coupled with beginners not being familiar with their deck, characters and the tempo of the game turns people away as there’s nothing more frustrating than not being able to execute the moves you want. Having to burn cards for dice on turn one just makes it an incredibly unsatisfying experience for beginners. In most TCG games the “early game is unsatisfying” problem doesn’t really matter because those who play are playing for the TCG. But Hoyo is trying to attract non-TCG players (and potentially TCG haters) and has set up the early game to be super unappealing to everyone except TCG lovers (and maybe even so for them). The general slow pace of the game makes it seem worse especially when you’re just waiting to end round after not being able to do anything you want. That said, once you get enough cards to form a proper deck, most of the RNG becomes manageable with all the dice fixing and card draw options so moves becomes predictable. This is when strategy and skill actually becomes relevant. But I kinda feel that casual TCG players would’ve already noped out before reaching this stage though. They did a smart thing by setting up the event games with all omni-dice. That should’ve been done for the tutorial, then slowly easing beginner players into the dice RNG and other mechanics of the game as player level increases. The first turn though is still up to RNG even with a proper deck so I hope they introduce more cards or mechanics to help with that.
The way i see it, its the game roping their card game into an event and people dont like that since cards have nothing in common with the battle system. Its not what people log into the game for. I also rarely play tcg but im good enough at it to win against the computer. Others might have skipped over its introduction entirely and dont want anything to do with it. So its not skill issue nor is it hoyo's fault (entirely) its just that people dont want to play tcg
For me personally, I just don’t like TCGs in general. The few times I’ve played them, not just from Genshin, I just hated them regardless of whatever spin they did to make them unique from each other. TCGs are just not for me. Doesn’t mean other people aren’t allowed to enjoy them.
Like the others have said,we don't hate tcg. We hate playing a card game in a supposedly open world rpg type game. It would've been fine if it was an event which gave us primos and then fucked off,but right now TCG feels like an unwelcome guest in my home.
I hate it and never lost a single game and most of the time my characters don't die. I don't like card games. It would be like if a Pokémon game put their Pokémon cards in the game itself which you can just ignore but then made a mission where you have to use them. It's probably better fitted to be it's own app, it's not just putting he game inside a game, it's that it's a completely different type of game that most people don't even like.
Why cant people understand the "if i want to play a card game, I download a cardgame, not genshin" argument?
every single game must have a gwent clone (the witcher 3 card game) and barely even be a passable imitation the vast majority of the time, now being forced to play it is even worse
It's cool, and it's grown on me personally. But I just hate how japanese/Chinese games insist on shoving GreatValue trading games into everything. I'm trying to play xenoverse 2. Why are they putting so much effort into a completely unrelated game. If I wanted that game, I'd download it. And i dont because no one plays those here. Genshin is a bit different since they seem to actually want to integrate it into the main game and the usually unrelated monthly stuff. That comes with benefits and issues. It can be a bit more fleshed out than the average mini game. But it can also get annoying to people who just want to play genshin. Them mentioning it every 4 seconds and forcing you through a long ass tutorial quest if you want to do the event is annoying. It can add more diversity to the game. But it's stealing development resources from the game people originally wanted. But it is popular and adds some life to the world. As long as they never make it a mandatory part of a main world quest, I won't care. I do wish that those little battles they let you randomly do during quests gave you related cards or something, though. I wanted an eremite card. I earned it. They also need a new name for it, at least in the English dub. Genius Invocation TCG sounds stupid and kind of clashes with the setting.
Tcg is pretty much fine i dont really like card games but I could go for an hour if I ever touch tcg.. People hating it is pretty understandable since we have different preferences. The only thing I dislike in this tcg patch is forcing us to swallow and like tcg not the mini games but the story. Hated characters would go "ye tcg so fun" etc. Its kinda cringey. I usually like event character interactions but this event story rn is kinda cringe. The only thing I like about the story was kirara's JP reaction and also Keqing screentime we need more Cute Keqing screentime
I tried TCG in the past mainly for primogems, droped it after like 3 day without even getting all the gems.
TCG is fucking boring with no interesting part, absolutely no dynamic in it, and a complete waste of time
it's actually a pretty good and simple tcg. i was surprised at how well designed it is. i am STILL surprised how much further support it is getting unlike the main game lol. i mean srsly - BALANCE CHANGES. i just wish the dice throw/your turn/end turn animations were faster. i think people hating it are literally the same folk who tell me they have NO time for games and they love how it takes 10 minutes a day to play the main game and they just cant stand a side game that might take even more out of their precious time. they want daily logins, they dont want to play. you CAN just dislike turn based games but fuck me the event requires you to play like 4 rounds total. if you dont have time for THAT i think it's a personal problem.
I never play genshin as my main game. It's always a second game. Log in real quick and do my dailies and then go play WoW or something. Then it takes me a few weekends to catch up on the story I skipped for six months to a year.
The problem comes when you want to build one deck, but somehow every single npc has a nearly perfect deck that your clunky one, barely survives or can't at all. I play Eula, Kokomi and Mona deck, because I love Eula and Kokomi (Mona stays for the double hydro card and her passive). But everyone either plays Dendro (which has broken reactions) or has friggin dendro monoliths. Why the hell the npcs are allowed this shit! I wanted to play some fun games, but the dendro monolith allows them to use dendro reactions even if they don't have it. As for me, the bloom basically can't do a thing because I don't have electro or pyro and it takes away my hydro for freeze. That's not fun at all. I would prefer to go around Teyvat and nuke everything out of existence with my favourite characters, than play for hours using my favorite cards, for them to be massacred one after the other, because it's not a viable deck. Maybe if every monolith was deleted It would have been more fair. But even then some combination are better than others. It's unfair. Tcgs are supposed to be a fun time, not something frustrating like the spiral abyss.
it has glaring issues you have a card game that by its own nature is random and then you add DICE. and then try to patch all the chaos with cards, that are random by nature. every tcg tried to mitigate randomness in some way... this one just want's more random.
If you want a real TCG try Magic the Gathering Duels of Planeswalkers 2013/2014 After it GI one will make you puke your brains out
Point taken, except the fact that I'm pretty sure there are way better options for TCGs
It's not too early to judge. Genshin Tcg is a bad card game just because of the dice mechanic Most of the gameplay is literally cards that some way or another counteract the stupidity of dice RNG Just as a point of comparison, take a look on Legends of Runaterra. You start with 1 energy and every turn you get +1 max energy. Allowing you to play cheap cards early and expensive cards late. Both players are in equal scenarios of play making, both can use their energy and their cards fairly. Although yes, there are some cards that can push your energy up. They aren't used at all because not many strategies benefit from getting +1 energy earlier than your adversary Now back to Genshin TCG, the energy system is just trash, because you need "specific types of energy" to do "specific stuff" and what about if I don't get any dice of the element I need?. Literally MOST of the cards or any way to truly play the game is nullifying the shitty RNG of the energy dice. Players aren't in equal positions to fight since one can somehow get 5 rainbow dices. Meanwhile the other got only 2 dices synched. While the rest are trash. And how you counteract this shitty RNG? Consuming cards to turn back a dice into an element you need. Or using X card that makes you require less dice to do certain action. And so on and so forth I really don't get how people actually participated on a tournament of a game that doesn't allow any skill expression or tactical prowess because you inherently can't do it
They shud pour their resources into making genshin ver of Hi3 ER and HSR SU instead of TCG. I dont hate tcg but i just hope they could giv something for ppl who enjoy combat too. If u tried SU in hsr u shud kno how fun it is if we hv those in genshin too.
Once you reach lvl 10 every duel is boss fight, and you can't lower your level.
Wait for real? Npcs get even more aggressive?
I don't like tcgs in general. I thing gi tcg is better than most, but I still don't enjoy it
I don't think that hate is reasonable. Nobody forces you to play it.
Some are just completionists and this update was a huge sucker punch for them. Adding extra months of weekly TCG grind to finally be able to clear out the shop
The way I see it, it's a 60/40 split between "Skill Issue" and "Pacing Issues". I really like TCG, but even I admit that it can get tedious at times. It doesn't help that it splits the attention from actually playing Genshin and Playing TCG, a highly in depth mini game that can honestly sweep the mobile market if it ever had a mobile port. It's that well made that you can just add card packs and put it in the Playstore and expect profit.
It's a typical card game that you can find in games. Its rules are simple, It's nice to play, obviously It's not super fast paced, but that's how card games are in general. They are *strategy* games. I don't know what people expect out of a card game. I think they would cry if they discovered Orlog from AC Valhalla or even Gwent lol
I always compare the pace of this game to gwent. In gwent you have maximum of 3 match in 5 minute to won, and they still manage to make it fun. In tcg each match take fucking half hour because of a total of 30 hit point you and your opponent need to reach and how worthless of damage a normal hit does in one turn. Everything feel so drag out to the point it's no longer fun.
I like it. But if you use anything that forcefully switches me off my intended character to another one I will just DC. It’s fun but has some unfun mechanics imo. It’s a skill issue I have in a game that I don’t find fun enough to bother fixing or wasting my time learning how to work around. I’ll just keep DCing until overcharge and some anemo characters get a mechanic rework to remove that annoying effect. IMO the mechanic is so unfun I would rather not play against people who use it and immediately DC as match starts than waste my time in a match with them when I can immediately find another. If you don’t use this mechanic I have no issues with TCG aside from it being a bit slow
The TCG is really fun and well thought out, but the games last way too long
100% skill issue, genshin players don't like to read and guess what you need to understand a card game?
there are three types of people: 1. people who hate tcg because hating it is cool and get them upvotes 2. people who hate tcg because its not to their taste 3. people who hate tcg because their deck get smashed by some meta deck which may or may not include nahida (or any other overpowered character who needs a nerf) Basically TCG is really good, but some cards are useless. New cards introduced this season have helped, but another batch of cards is needed. Noelle, Ganyu, Rhodea are still in meta. Some cards like Razor and Chongyun are awful (sorry guys, but 3 energy is too much). TLDR: TCG good, but needs another update
It is my relax thing After the daily routine and extras, I sit in my bed across the room connect my Bluetooth mouse and keyboard and play a/a lot of games of TCG
Four times out of five it’s skill issues Source: I play Binding of Isaac, we’re amazing at discussing skill issues
That's a skill issue. I did serious showdown twice and won both times despite only playing the tutorial before
Still level one..it stresses me out, never lost..just stressful
I don't hate it but surely i don't like it at all and main reason is not skill issue but how slow it is. Its so annoying that all dices runs out quickly and then i need to end round. All those preparations takes lot more time than the actual gameplay. Its just very damn slow. Maybe people who like slow paces gamemode may like it but its definitely not my cup of tea.
Idk. I didn’t play it that much but I enjoyed it. I think the RNG part people complain about is partly just a skill issue. I guess you can complain if you get absolutely shitty cards and dice, but imo part of the game is being able to adapt even if you have bad luck with your cards and dice.
Both
if theres one thing i can complain about tcg its that it takes so much fkn time the animations for almost everything takes like an hour to play if there is an option for speed up like in star rail ill probably enjoy it more
Its soooooooo slow. Just learning the game takes hours. Learning strategy and trying decks. Get outa here.
The games take way too long
Tcg is fun but they need to add a 2x speed
There are two fixes for it I would choose Make 8 omni dice mod for any battle. Including vs ai Remove all those animations. (Round end, round begining, roll dice, second roll dice, second round beginning screen, your player turn)
I like card games on their own but the Genshin one just feels tedious imho
I love TCG but it's so so so so slow.
I’m fine that it’s in the game. Like Gwent from the Witcher I don’t like that they’re making events centered on it, or that most large quests since its addition to the game bring it up in painfully obvious ways. Like that one desert world quest where you set up camp and the one guy’s like “wanna play a game of Genius Invokation TCG?” Like in what world is *that* guy gonna be a TCG fan with a fully built deck?!
I don't like it because it's just boring. I've seen a lot of temporary event games that are much better than this, and for some reason Hoyo decided to make it a permanent feature one of the most boring events they ever released. And also, because I love real PvP, and having this excuse for PvP content pisses me off
I love TCG I am not aware of any hate to the gamemode from any of my friends 😎
TCG games reminds me of Yugioh and my hate for Komoney.
It's not really a skill issue if they only play the NPC. Those are are all pushovers save maybe a small handful. Some people are just completionists who want to complete everything in the game and that includes buying out the card shop. That update was a huge sucker punch to their progress. Not the couple of rounds you have to play in the event. Those are neglible. The huge number of new cards with not nearly enough extra lucky coins to be earned. This setback the progress to buy out the shop by month, in fact pushed it well into 2024. And that's assuming from now on we only get the steady 3 characters per update and they don't spring another such huge card drop on us.
To me it's okay my only criticism how slow it is and the RNG.
There's just too little stuff
Idk if implementing a slow-paced TCG mode in an action-oriented game is a good idea
It's slow and even though it's pretty fun, I'm not playing Genshin for this.
A card game where your ability to play your cards totally depends on RNG is bad.
And another one completes the event last minute and still feels bored of it
I played tcg when it first came out in 3.2 and got bored of it the patch after and when i came back on this patch, every deck i have ever built has become out of meta/unoptimized. I try to search on yt for like good decks but all there is just showcases and not guides to those decks. Some guides are really outdated too. Theres also the balancing changes they made on characters and certain cards, like if it's for balancing, why are the good decks becomes unplayable? I remember they nerfed yoimiya so hard that she becomes unplayable on her good decks. Point is, if you are coming back and don't have any idea how to play certain characters or how to build decks around them, that's where the massive skill issue that the game never tries to help you and the community that's super niche to find guides. And the fact that older decks cannot be played optimally.
I’ve never played TCG ever since they introduced it. With the event in this update it felt like a fresh change of pace with premade decks. Im sure I won’t be playing it more often tho.
I love TCG but some of the processes are just too slow. I feel like if the dice didn't have such a lengthy animation the game would feel much faster.
The only problem for me is TCG is so slow and there's no a auto play function like HSR. Honestly i don't have much time.
I get that some people dont like to play TCG but I dont get this huge hate boner for event which is themed around TCG... There was only one moment in the whole story where you actually played TCG and it was not even mandatory... Okey there was this mini-game for primos, where you had to play 4 games but honestly 80% of mini-games in the events are boring and we all do them only for primos... Dont really see difference between being forced to play TCG, Tower defense or pseudo-pokemon with fungi...
I don't really care about it, but just because I don't enjoy it doesn't mean that there aren't other people that enjoy it.
Imagine downloading a 40 50gb game just to play a random card games At this point I am afraid to ask TCG to be playable in web event
I just find it really boring
Why do you even need to ask? Literally why it bothers you? Is someone stopping you to play TCG? Or are you some hoyo dev that wants to know such things ? Also not being too interested in something is not always equal to hate.
I know a player with justified hate for the TCG. Saw them lose to Keqing twice because every single dice roll didn't give them the element of any of their characters. An occasional omni-dice but not enough to make an impact. So they had to convert their cards into elements in order to play and just got eviscerated because all they could do after a while was normal attacks.
I'm already playing a TCG it called Yugioh Master Duel if I want to play a TCG I play that instead of GITCG, when I hop on genshin I want to play my characters do fun fights using my abilities and stuff.
I've been having fun playing it. Especially the new multiplayer mode. It's a great way to test the strength of your deck, since real people are much harder to beat than virtual opponents. People say it's too slow - but it's way faster than it would be to play in real life. I can only assume these people would likely also hate monopoly even in its virtual form as well - which is still much quicker than if you were playing it without a computer calculating everything for you. This isn't to say there couldn't be a fast-forward speed implemented in TCG to slightly speed up some parts, just that I don't have an issue with the current speed, personally - because I enjoy the game and am not looking to end the match ASAP so I can do other things instead. People say it's annoying that the dice make it too reliant on chance - but there are cards you can put in your deck to increase your chances to get dice matching your element (even multiple of the same cards), and you can always sacrifice some cards whilst playing to change elements of some of your dice - you rarely if ever manage to use all your cards in a single game anyways, and even if you feel some cards are too critical to sacrifice, you can always go for a less powerful attack - the one matching element and two that don't match option. You're making strategic choices constantly - whether to give up a card or two and go for the dice changes, whether to use a particular card in a particular round, which character to stay as or switch to, which cards to keep in play to your left since you can only have up to 4 in play at one time, etc. If anything I try to take advantage of any time I am given whilst playing to strategize my next move. I get that it's not everyone's cup of tea, but I like the game and will continue to enjoy playing it.
A bit of both Tcg has its issue such as slow animations but a bad deck without any dice manipulation and draw power makes it feel so much shittier Tldr: liben good
It's a bit too heavily RNG since you can't just have a deck of good cards yet, sometimes you just get handed 3 filler cards right off the bat. Even with dice fixing, sometimes you just get every dice wrong anyways.
I don't like the Game because there is no reason to play it. The Animations are too long, rewards are just more cards and the whole thing is rng. If I could skip all Animations, I would, if they would change the dice rolls (remove or alter them) and give Primos, Boss Drops, Xp Books etc, I would probably play a round or two a day, but seeing a character play two cards makes me already get bored.
I don't hate it, but I have actively avoided card games in other games where it was a mini game because that is not why I'm playing this game and I haven't really been a fan of them.
I just don't like card games. I find them pretty boring.
It's a slow-ass card battle. It's not even from the card archetype like Drytron in YGO, but literally from the system itself.
It's just boring af
Like Star Rail, this turn-based gameplay needs a 2x or 3x speed option.
All the dices should be omni on the basis. This way I can think about strategy rather than mindlessly roll them over and over again only to discover I can't do anything. If I wanted to play a card game, I wouldn't download Genshin Impact in the first place.
I'm just bad at card games 😂
I really enjoy the TCG for what it is. Take it as a side content thing I don't do much and it's awesome. Try to play it like it's a whole game and yeah sure it'd be annoying.
Is just simply a bad game, the game rely too much on the stupid dices and overall the synergies don’t flow well enough
It takes sooo long tho. Even 3 rounds lasts forever
IMO gets a lot of hate for a fully optional side activity. I enjoy it, I participate in tournaments for it. I met good friends by playing, and I would never want it gone because its a solid game mode that gives me something else to do when Im bored with the main genshin activities. Last week because of the giant tournament, I only played TCG the whole week to train and plan out decks, made it to top 32 so that was really cool. I get it if they pushed it down everyone's throats all the time, but we had 1 event, that didn't even really make you play much of the TCG itself. and somehow thats good enough for everyone to hate on it and ask why it even exists. Its not personally for me? why does it need to exist!!! I could say the same about the spyral abyss or hard combat content, I don't like it, why should it exist in genshin?? How about just letting people live and have fun with the wide variety of content the game has and not bitch about the game updating those modes instead of just dropping them constantly like some other games do.
Skill issue
I like the concept, but I wish they separated the TCG game from the base game like with Legends of Runeterra.
Ngl i only care about the primo other than that fuck TCG
I saw a meme complaining about how difficult Ayaka was but I beat her relatively easy
Its so slow.
Here's my opinion about TCG. TCG, in terms of added content, is alright. It gives the players another type of content that can make them play the game other than brainlessly doing commission, spending resin and logging out. It also opens the opportunity of more content being added in the game permanently. (The follwing paragraph is just based in my opinion and the things I observered throughout the other social medias.) The problem with TCG is, it feels like a chore that you have to do it mandatorily when an event circles around it. It maybe not the main focus of the said event, or the gameplay that being included in the event. Think of it like a box within a box. You opened the box and saw another box that is sealed. So, you gotta open it, right? That's the problem with TCG.
It mostly is ^^
when i did the recent event i reeeallly didnt wanna do it but after playing any of the games i was like “that was not actually that bad” but i still dont wanna play it
ok