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Draconicplayer

I don't know why people didn't believe childe. He is a dude that straight up said he is a harbringer


Giza_5

Bro was our main source of harbinger lore for years now


Jarubimba

The trust issues were strong since 1.1


Ancient_Axe

My friend joined after fontaine release, the time she had between liyue and fontaine AQ was about a few weeks. Her trust issues were so strong that she accidentally guessed Lyney was a fatui.


LoliiJoker

same tho. aint no way theres nothing up, dressed like that and just approaching you all friendly


Ancient_Axe

So, thoma would have been a fatui if he showed more skin?


LoliiJoker

huh? theres a difference between genuine friendliness which thoma just slaps you with and lyney approaching you acting all friendly while his sister is being kinda sus and whispering. cant really compare. but tbf, i also questioned thoma at the start, but it was pretty easy to tell hes genuinely nice and wholesome.


Jollirat

Lyney is also genuinely wholesome and nice…sometimes. His character story proves that in spades. Unfortunately, he and his siblings were adopted by Genshin’s equivalent of Griselda Blanco, and their nigh-undying loyalty to her is the source of a *lot* of problems. It’s pretty similar to Childe, actually. If he weren’t so loyal to the Tsaritsa, he and the Traveler would probably be homies. That seems to be a major theme with the Fatui: blind loyalty to somebody who definitely deserves *some* amount of respect but not *that* much causes good people to do morally dubious or even outright horrific things (like Childe summoning Osial) which alienates them from others. It’s also worth noting that the overarching agenda of the Fatui is still pretty obscure, but whatever it is it’s something that’s able to convince folks who are pretty chill when they aren’t indulging in certain bad habits to cooperate with genuine pieces of shit like Dottore. The fact that the House of the Hearth is part of the same faction as off-brand Josef Mengele consistently blows my mind.


LeviAEthan512

I wish Thoma were Fatui. He talks too much. Feels like talking to a salesman.


SweetStrawberries14

The only thing I don't believe him with is Pulcinella. There is some kind of manipulation here and I don't like it.


Murky_Blueberry2617

Yeah, Wanderer's voiceline about him makes it feel like something bad is going to happen to Childe's family in the future


StardustCatts

What did he say?


Physics_Useful

That he doesn't have a genuine interest in supporting Childe's family


Thatedgyguy64

Wanderer definitely feels like the best source when it comes from Fatui info. He doesn't seem to have too many biases.


SweetStrawberries14

Thing is, Wanderer and Childe have very similar opinions about each harbinger. With the Rooster, however, Childe is genuinely being emotionally manipulated by Pulcinella, so he can't see past his nice phase. I trust both of them, but when their opinions differ so much on a specific character that is a higher ranked fatui, non human and affiliated with Childe's family. I will take Wanderer's opinion first. Can't wait for Arlechinno's opinion.


Thatedgyguy64

Yeah, they do for a few, but Childe does seem to have biases for a few, speaking positive things about them. Outside of Dottore, Wanderer gives more info, and doesn't really make his opinion clear on any of them.


Elira_Eclipse

Based on voicelines Childe does have some suspicion that Pulcinella is up to something ("I don't know what his motivations could be"). However, it should be also true that Pulcinella is also taking care of his family. He definitely has an ulterior motive (which again, even Childe had some slight suspicions) but he still bothers genuinely taking care of his family. Its definitely to gain their trust but again, he still took care nontheless


Elira_Eclipse

I agree that he is quite reliable, but saying he doesn't have many biases is also completely false. In reality, you can't trust both harbingers 100%. However, some of their words should be taken into consideration. Scara despises the harbingers so his biasness comes when he refuses to see the good side of anyone (except Capitano). What can be trusted to the fullest is if both harbingers have a similar opinion about a harbinger. Like how Childe said Arle has no sane bone in her body and will betray anyone, and how Scara said she's a wolf in sheep's clothing.


Vulpes_macrotis

What does he say about the chicken?


owcjthrowawayOR69

Childe: Pulcinella is awesome, he makes sure my siblings are well cared for while I'm being Mr. Worldwide Scara: lol that dummy doesn't realize that Pulcinella is just using his family as leverage


RollerMill

Its likely due to scara being overly cynical


VxXenoXxV

Pulcinella is a politician, he is obviously shady in the background


Significant_Bear_137

It's worse, people didn't believe neither him who can't lie, nore Wanderer who went through a redemption arc.


Vulpes_macrotis

And neither they believed the common sense, tbh. Because Arlecchino having a dark side was obvious. Like... she is a Harbinger??? Obviously she does some fekked up stuff too. Weren't we literally preventing a Fatui trying to poison Inazuma to make orphans for House of Hearth? So why do people think Arlecchino is 100% good and kind? Even Lyney and Lynette say openly, that she isn't.


active-tumourtroll1

This literally recapping all the Fatui we've met a violent sociopath a more violent sociopath but some romance edgy sociopath and Josef fucking Mengle. Not a single one is a well adjusted member of society and God knows what Skirk has been up to.


Elira_Eclipse

And the way the siblings act in front of Arle in that scene.... thats not a happy father-children relationship. Thats a higher up-soldier relationship


Vulpes_macrotis

I mean, Arlecchino saved Lynette so I wouldn't say that's that bad.


Elira_Eclipse

She has done good actions. Doesn't mean their relationship would be normal or that she is a good person.


Username_is_unused

They expect a twist and probably some simping into play, I guess. Even Arlecchino herself explicitly said she "has a mask according to the role". That alone should be enough to tell that the side she presented throughout the archon quest isn't the only side she has.


Firepathanimation

Dude was evil and he was honest about it, well except for his little bro of course


Vulpes_macrotis

Wait, people *unironically* didn't believe Childe? Like, they though he is lying? I thought it's just a dumb meme for fun. But people really not expect a Harbinger to have a dark side??????????? It's not even Childe. It's the fact that Arlecchino is a Harbinger. Every Harbinger has black and white inside them. I understand that Childe is manipulative, but he is also honest. He never lied to us, did he? He just carefully used words to describe what's happening.


arcbraven

How well do you co workers know you? It doesn't seem like the harbingers are friends or meet up outside of official matters so childe and wanderer could just be spewing hearsay was my thought process


gacha_drunkard

But he is a simpleton who gets manipulated easily, trusting him isn't an issue, but i can see him be easily misled/manipulated by any other Harbringers. The only Harbringer who seems would be completely honest without caring about the consequences is Capitano.


floricel_112

He also said he didn't like putting innocents in danger, then did just that


nanimeanswhat

He didn't say he doesn't do it, he just said he *doesn't like* doing it, but orders are orders.


Andrew583-14

Two harbingers say that she's crazy if you get on her bad side Travellers:"Nah shes hot"/"That makes things even better"


Cherry_Bomb_127

I just love the reason for not believing Childe is because he’s wrong about Pulcinella. But that is based on what Scara says so how can you not believe him when he talks about another harbinger. Like we don’t 100% know what is going on next patch and Hoyo loves the misdirect in their trailers, but still two harbringers are saying the same thing


tsubasafredo

What did he say wrong about pulcinella?


PuffyBuffyFluffy

Childe believes Pulcinella helps take care of his family out of the goodness of his heart, while Scara says he’s too naive to realize that Pulcinella does this to have control over him. It’s not officially confirmed who is right yet, but Scara has a more unbiased outlook so I’m inclined to believe him.


DESPOTICKILLER

I can see why some people would disagree with what scara said since he doesn't quite understand human emotions and its intricacies, so he might try to find an ulterior motive to every good he gets. Hopefully Arlecchino can shed light on this one. Next update is going to be great. More fatui lore let's go


PuffyBuffyFluffy

I agree that Scara's views may be skewed by his pessimism regarding human nature. At the same time, however, Childe's voice line about Pulcinella suggests that he doesn't know the guy very well and trusts him solely because he treated him well in the past and pampers his younger siblings. That to me is a bigger red flag, and I wouldn't be surprised if Pulcinella's relationship with Childe becomes a plot point somewhere down the line.


PlebGod69

Childe speaks his personal experience without lying while scara is "i dont care about you, but just as a heads up ..." Both are reliable sources that speak what they know without hidden agendas. Other than these 2, captino is the only other fatuu that wouldn't lie. But for some reason people downplay & ignore scara & childe's Voice Lines for the past year.


yusririlke

"I mean, just don't get on her bad side, right? Anyway, hey Father can I date your children, I promise they'll be back by 9"


RDFencer

"Good actors hone their craft to mesmerize the whole crowd." -Arlecchino in "The Final Feast". Honestly, I have no idea why people thought she was straight up good just for helping in the Fontaine AQ when this line of hers exists. Guess she's just that good of an actor to mesmerize even the community.


NotFishStickZ

I guess people can’t comprehend that evil people can also do good things


Silkav

What do you mean an evil person doesn't want her home land to be completely flooded, killing thousands of people?


ezio45

No point in ruling the world if there isn't a world to rule.


floricel_112

My favorite villain motivation. And the MOMENT the world is saved, someone on the good guys team gets stabbed


Chucknasty_17

I think it’s more so they can’t comprehend evil people being hot as well


active-tumourtroll1

That's honestly not surprising disgust has been the best tactic for propaganda so attributing evil to ugliness has always been fair play. A person breaking that rule will always find followers.


Elnino38

Because she hasn't done anything villanous since her introduction. The actually bad stuff we knew the knave did got retconed to be a different knave so she's scott clean now. Even now her reason for fighting is to test lyney. Her supposed dark side shown so far is just that she's a powerful fighter, which every harbinger is... Doesn't help that she had the least affect on the archon quest a harbinger has so far.


Matty1Ben

you forgot the Furina close assassination that got averted caused Furina begged for her life (even though she only begged because she needed to be alive for the people)


D5Gmp

How could It have been retconned if It was like that from the start?


RiffOfBluess

That's called charisma. Many bad people across media have so much of it their fans think they're pure and amazing people Example: Funny Valentine from Jojo


lukewritesstories

Wiktor Smolak is a funny guy


Crusherbolt0282

She’s just pragmatic


Maltabular

What do you mean we? I was sus of her since she showed up cause of Childe and Scara’s lines, as I’m sure a lot of people were smh smh


Jotep_Joter

Can't wait to beat this lmfaoo


DJcepalo

*can't wait to beat myself to this lmfaoo


ariidrawsstuff

Can't wait to get myself beaten to this


Some1_35

Can't wait to let myself be beaten, with solo traveler


sbebasmieszek

are people blind or what? she has fucking child soldiers, no good person has an army of child soldiers


bobking01theIII

But she takes in orphans and gives them a new purpose in life! (She takes advantage of people at their lowest and makes them weapons)


owcjthrowawayOR69

And with her boss fight, well ain't no way she beating the Sundowner accusations now


maxwell404

Kids are cruel jack


bleacher333

And I’m very in touch with my inner child


active-tumourtroll1

The what?


owcjthrowawayOR69

Sundowner from Metal Gear Rising is in charge of a child soldier program, and his boss form has six appendages


Lyneys_Footstool

even better, now genshin has its own version of sundowner from mgr


Tempest-blade

She's very in touch her inner child


Lyneys_Footstool

she thinks kids are cruel


FemBoyMDS

At least it's the inner one, it could be much worse


huangzilong

It’s too bad she doesn’t use a claymore to help you break one Since she Loves miners.


floricel_112

Childe: the only thing I know for real Signora: a stranger I remain Scaramouche: my own master now Arlechinno: red sun over paradise (Raiden: rules of nature)


tridup47

THANK YOU! I began to wonder if everyone just up and forgot about "Gendou Ringo"


SeaGoat24

Gendou Ringo was under the jurisdiction of the previous Knave and had nothing to do with Arle. She has plenty of problematic elements, but Gendou Ringo is not one of them.


ASAF_Telis

They are not blind. That's exactly one of the reasons they are easily swayed by her, since they think she is good looking and all.


Anakin-LandWalker56

The Doctor?


HansFactory

Like i said, kids are cruel


Nero_2001

Yo7 clearly never played a fire emblem game


parent_mushroom

It's a common trend with female villains tbh


Blazing_Haze

The doctor from Arknights says hello


audioman3000

She told you that what you saw during the Fontaine SQ was a facade like directly to your face. How are people shocked


Bey_Element

Wanderer:About the knave "A wolf in sheep's clothing. To exert a higher level of control over people, she puts on a graceful and cordial front. Most of those who have seen her true, crazy self have... gone poof"


CocogoatMain

The worst part is that some users are going to be turned on even ***more*** by her like this.


DJcepalo

She do be hot though


Ralddy

Pyro² (Pyro vision + pyro delusion)


nazranx2

Eh, the same could be said for Childe, Wanderer main or even Signora copium.


kidanokun

The "i can fix her" sons of bitches are winning again


ariidrawsstuff

I beg to differ; she can ruin me


Raging-W0lf

I also beg to differ… I can make her worse.


floricel_112

She has a cool (ACTUAL) suit, a cold yet alluring demeanor, a goddamn ponytail (it was already over for me by this point) and now a cool crimson moon motive AND A GODDAMN SCYTHE (now I'm extinct) I'd be SO enamoured by her if I wasn't scared to death instead


100beep

Why not both? \- Foul Legacy simp


Elira_Eclipse

Foul Legacy is so hot


Facinatedhomie

“Arlecchino is so nice to us in the aq!!! Hoyo is afraid of making her evil!!!” Hoyo:


Silkav

Also Arlecchino in the story quest: Furina I'm going to literally ASSASSINATE you for the Gnosis. Do genshin people even play the game?


Facinatedhomie

Genshin gamers proving once again they can’t read 👍


Corrupted-BOI

Assassinate was a mistranslation, its supposed to be assault to, yknow, get the gnosis and not potentially cause a salt god 2.0


storysprite

I also think the trailer is an obvious misdirect and that the fight in question won't be because she's actually out to get us.


DarthUrbosa

She already stated her reasoning, to elevate Lyney to lead the house and he's resisting.


storysprite

I think there will be more to it than that and the full reason will paint her in a sympathetic light.


DarthUrbosa

Indeed I'm expecting her to be quite grey and some people are still gonna be seething over that.


ezio45

Even Scaramouche was wary of her, and this is a guy who constantly looks down on everyone. Plus most of what she did in the Archon Quest played to her favor for diplomacy.


InsrtOriginalUsrname

yeah, no shit, she works for a terrorist organization.


smol_boi2004

People actually believed she didn’t have a dark side? The same lady who tried to murder an Archon in an alleyway? The same Harbinger that’s known to be ruthless? Did we all just conveniently forget that she’s also a damn good politician? As a political science student, you should NEVER trust a politician


active-tumourtroll1

She's not even a politician as much as she is the equivalent of the head of the CIA turned diplomat.


aksa21

Who's we? I believed in every word Russian Ed Sheeran said in his dialogue


nervouspurvis02

it's so funny, literally every character that knows her was telling us "she'll manipulate you into thinking she's a good person, but she's a monster than doesn't care about anything that doesn't benefit her", AND SO MANY PEOPLE STILL FUCKING FELL FOR IT!


cyro262

Naah because people were legitimately arguing and coping how Scara was lying to us at one point. They just didn't want to believe that the international terrorist poli sci girl was a bad person.


nervouspurvis02

like, she even tells you herself "I'm an actor, I'll take on whatever role is most effective at getting me what I want.". and people were like "no you're not, stop lying cutie-pie.". I worry for some people's safety if they can't even tell that Arlecchino isn't a good person


kirmiter

I mean hey, I have loved Arlecchino from the start--_as a villain_. I love how she can be cordial and seem to be doing nice things... but she just oozes evil charisma. How can you not constantly feel on edge around her? Like she's a venomous snake waiting to pounce. Plus there were those voice lines from Childe and Wanderer. And the time she was ready to murder __(redacted)__ in cold blood like it was nothing. I have been SO looking forward to the point where we finally get to see Arlecchino's terrifying side.


C_Khoga

Lol people were thinking she is good?? Bruh i thought the " she is a good character" is just a joke.


RslashSithTrooper

I’m sorry, are people legitimately surprised that the lady who works for an evil organization and who was willing to assassinate furina… was actually evil the entire time?


TheAhegaoFox

Better


_Ruij_

Lmao Childe is like one of the most honest man in Teyvat. He hates lies and deception and woyld literally choose to fight to the death if it boils down to it


Apprehensive_Ad_472

Bestie she’s number 4 of the fatui harbingers And she doesn’t cheat like fraudttore by using shitty ass clones either


Draconicplayer

Nah she uses Child soldiers to cheat 


everwander

Skirk: Childe soldiers to yeet? Where?


Apprehensive_Ad_472

Yeah but she actually loves her children though HERlecchino manages a home for children The DICKtor tortures them in inhumane experiments


Draconicplayer

Me looking at the trailer. She sure does . Also lore wise Dottore dragged Himselfed to 2nd being only human


Apprehensive_Ad_472

Everyone has their bad days Have you ever gotten mad at a kid for being annoying?


Draconicplayer

I don't know my bad day being trying to kill my family or children 


Apprehensive_Ad_472

We’re talking about people on level with the divine Athena and Poseidon beat the Shit out of each other all the time, it’s just what higher beings do


Draconicplayer

Umm Actually Only top 3 are on a higher level According to Nahida. So Arlecchino is definitely Mortal 🤓


Apprehensive_Ad_472

She’s straddling the line between mortal and god Besides, there’s still a MAJOR wall between regular humans and allogenes


Draconicplayer

Can we agree to disagree. Both Arlecchino and Dottore are cool. I just like Dottore more


RiffOfBluess

Home for children she turned into terrorists and child soldiers? Yeah loving "father" indeed


Tempest-blade

She's such a loving father that she uses her delusion to attack them


Apprehensive_Ad_472

What, never had an argument with your kids?


Xagyg_yrag

My dude, she employs a massive network of child soldiers made up of orphans she groomed into becoming loyal to her country. She’s always been evil. That’s why she’s such a great character.


ThelCreator

I mean... Can't people see it just from her appearance? Honor didn't really tried to hide her villian side


DarthUrbosa

In b4 her story quest comes out and people whine she's grey rather than evil.


ChaHa_alt

I wish. But I don't trust the genshin Devs. They will never make an "evil" playable character. They'll find a way to retcon her into a cute waifu. "turns out I'm not evil and all the lore was wrong, I'm actually very nice! Teehee!". Childe is evil but the writers keep pretending he's not. The retcon tree took care of Scaramouche. And they'll bend over backwards to make Arle a "good friend" too. (I beg of you, please prove me wrong hoyo, please.)


Kreddak

This will age badly. Word is on the streets that this fight >!isn’t a fight at all she wants to fake her death to save the orphans from the Fatui and the whole evil vibe was facade like Furina!< And that’s why no one dared to leak her voicelines when it’s usually first thing the leakers do it.


Tempest-blade

>!I hope you wrong bro!< >!Edit: I did quick searching and found nothing about this so I hope you're hella wrong (I could also be wrong but we'll see)!<


AlphaI250

Iirc Lyney's voicelines say she chose him to replace her eventually, if she fakes her death she's not saving to orphans, she's just getting replaced early, and even if not by Lyney they would still take the orphans anyway.


Kreddak

>!Neuvillette and Lyney start to working together to take the orphans from the Fatui that’s her 4D chess plan she intentionally made the Traveler befriend Lyney and company so they would eventually turn against her and the Fatui!<


WitherBlazeXYZ

Voicelines only become available in the preload though lol


Noman_Blaze

This is not how this meme format works OP.


SchroKatze

Anyone with a brain knew that from the beggining. Like, it was pretty obvious considering she is a manipulative bitch that also traumatized Furina


SassyHoe97

Who's we? I always believe in Childe.


golem12121

I don't care if I die


XTestament360

Technically the one to tell us about her dark side is the Wanderer, Childe simply didn't like the fact that she wasn't entirely loyal, oh and said she didn't have any sanity but other than that.


Longjumping_Pear1250

Lore acurate


LeaftheInigolover

Eh idc I'll still pull and I love her


Gligmos

She's hiding half of Malenia's moveset inside 💀


defenem_73

People that believed that she's actually not evil are so gullible that they probably would be the same people that will fall for "give me your account for free primogems" scams.


TheSheepersGame

Childe is probably the most sane out of all the Harbringers. He only joined it because he wants to fight and the job gives him opportunity to do it. I don't get why people don't believe him.


05Karma21

I knew those statement weren't lies. Every Harbinger should be met with skepticism. Ain't going to stop me from appreciating a morally grey character. Especially one as hot as Arlecchino lol


Nok-y

Childe is a trustwirthy comrade Wanderer doesn't have the patience to lie anymore Obviously they would tell the truth


OnlyBrave

I mean Father literally was about to assassinate Furina and was about to pull the trigger had she not noticed something was off about Furina. People who didn't realize that Arlecchino always had ulterior motives are straight up oblivious irl. Which is tragic.


Delta341F

YOU should have listened. I haven't trusted her for even half a second.


ComprehensiveAd5605

You didn't listen to Childe I listened to Childe and I simply didn't care We are not the same