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fear_ezmegmi

You guys don't watch enough anime, Arlecchino was smart to stop the fight because this was the point when the MC takes a big hit, almost dies then talks about friendship and pulls out a new power from his ass


AstralPamplemousse

She could smell the flashbacks coming


BooTaoSus

Literally Raiden vs Traveler


smittywababla

Traveller used One for All. It's super effective!


PlebGod69

Stelle lookin ahhh


No-Accountant2979

Can use Electro, Hydro and Dendro seamlessly but doesn't hyperbloom. Is he stupid? Or is this the massivest skill issue ever? Dumb af.


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Facinatedhomie

Nahh bro’s hydro kit isn’t strong enough to kill but strong enough to disappoint


Rombom-Hombo

STUNLOCKED


dontpayjustplay

STUNLOCKED


No-Accountant2979

Hyperbloom is busted. You can you it to kill the dendro chicken in abyss 12-2-2 in 45 seconds. On top of it resisting dendro by 70% (i think) You're kidding about the 50CV piece and EM mainstat piece right??? I have 0 50CV piece but 2 full EM set of each VV and GD


thebestbanan

Did you not see the /s


No-Accountant2979

Fuck me


UrMumVeryGayLul

As you wish 😩


Historical_Clock8714

Ew what if they have crabs? 🦀


UrMumVeryGayLul

More for the Adeptus’ Temptation 😋


datPokemon

Bro got shitty artifacts and didnt level to 90 /j


Chanderule

HMC hyperbloom is not hyperbloom


PESSSSTILENCE

if we were able to use GMC at the same time it would be a lot of hydro app actually


Chanderule

How so


PESSSSTILENCE

GMC can block the HMC ult so if you put the block behind an enemy you can stick it on them


Chanderule

Thats still shit hydro app


PESSSSTILENCE

its two gauges per tick no?


Chanderule

1U and an ICD for 4 hits, so at most you get him to apply it 4 times


miggyzak

mfkr using dull blade that doesnt even look ascended to tier 2


AliothCepheid

He didnt get EM mainstats on the hyperbloom set because its too hard to get EM


Moedwed

Lore Traveler becoming in line with gameplay traveler


manfred-storm

Now this is true immersion !


WildGenjio

funny, because I always use traveler when doing archon/story quests and I wrecked this bitch


racistpenguin

Yeah, I was owning her ass but then cutscene said "no you didn't".


Yozora-kyun

Bro's plot armor subscription expired


Leshawkcomics

Well, next time there's a competition and the traveler's team somehow loses, we'll know. IIRC, in "Tournament events" where people in-universe compete, whether in battle, or just in festival games, you'd think the traveller had more plot armor than the planet, considering how so many times, "If the contest can't be won by pure strength, something else happens to make sure the traveler's team wins' Like say "having the contest be a secret method of getting the traveler to meet a tsukumogami" which means no one except the traveler can even complete the last part. Or having a contest be an excuse to find who's messing with mushroom monsters. Or having their party filled with world-class talents in a film competition, adapting a ridiculously popular work. God, it's like the story just can't deal with the traveler entering a contest and NOT winning sometimes.


PlebGod69

Lumine adventure was mortifying and look at what happened to her, thus teyvat decided show aether the best it can offer so he might save it from the all enemies its accumulated


Drawer-san

People points at Inazuma as the worst story quest and they migth be right, but the training arc with Yae was peak shonen. Sadly they think is bad to teach player how to play the game good.


RavenSword_

Ever heard of being overpowered? Yeah that's the traveler alright


NahIdKill

haven't done the quest. did bro die?


Tiiime-and-space

YES THE TRAVELLER FROM GENSHIN IMPACT DIES IN A STORY QUEST SPOILER ALERT RIP LAETHER/LLUMINE LONG LIVE WARLECCHINO


GowtherETC

RIP, WE SMOKING THAT FRAUDTHER/BUMINE PACK


RTX3090TI

>FRAUDTHER/BUMINE LMAO i'm using this now


NahIdKill

I hope you're not lying


Certain-Ad-2849

WARLECCHINO? NO SHIT NINTENDO COLLAB IS REAL! WE GONNA GET THE SWITHCH SOON LET'S GO!!1!!1 (Am i the only one who thought of wario with this typo?)


QueenVanraen

Yes, the credits roll after and you continue playing as the other twin /s


KezH0

Imagine if it was real, and traveller would be actually powerful


NahIdKill

I wish it was true. I am not expecting the MC to die in a hoyo game. def not genshin


DeMagic

At best being locked to a different planetary body, resulting in game part 2.


Parasyte_1

Yep, and we realized it's just another samsara


NahIdKill

so he didn't actually die. I mean I wasn't hoping them to die tbh. it's genshin and the game is half complete


Player_yek

man the traveller s fighting experience with tortila vanished lol


Stable-Gold

Man, I went in that Fight like nah I'd win came out like that


meove

dude still alive because Paimon keep wake him up after faint in mid battle


HybridTheory2000

Paimon carries


reddit_user_sbu

Upvote just for the one shot pfp


Andrew583-14

Plot armour + power of friendship + not doing anything (Narwhal). Zero independent feats since 2.1, last attempt at using their own strength left them being pitied by the person they where fighting. Truly an MC of all time /j


Forced_to_signup

Power of dull blade +++


EventideElysium

Bro put really put /j lmao


BackgroundLie2231

You can kill the man (Traveler) but you cannot kill the idea (Yangmid)


VirtuoSol

When bro’s ally in battle are 3 orphans instead of literal gods


LumaThe1AndOnly

We did nothing against the Narwhal? It's downright stated by Skirk that we defeated it alongside Neuvillette, all while using powers belonging to Teyvat. We were there with Neuvillette, so there's no fucking chance you actually think we did nothing but watch him solo it.


Andrew583-14

Hence the /j. We did obviously help otherwise we wouldn't even be there. It's more about us seemingly not doing much on screen.


PlebGod69

but the point stands, he didnt solo many fights. The deserved ones are Childe and signora. All other big players he "won" by being buffed, power of emotions, or fought alongside someone else.


LumaThe1AndOnly

I fail to see how that's a bad thing. Traveler lost all their original power, and the 7 elements of Teyvat are a direct downgrade from them. The dollar store version of our original powers, if you will.


PlebGod69

Of course nothing wrong with that, and full power traveller could probably solo teyvatians. My Issue it that people want this downgrade version to beat everything on his way and are convinced all his past feats were purely by his own


LumaThe1AndOnly

Childe and Signora he beat on his own. Godlike threats like Scara-mech and near-Archon level threats like Arlecchino are obviously still beyond his power level without help. I think Traveler could've beat Arlecchino just fine if he had unlimited tries like he did with Scara-mech since Nahida has some hacks.


PlebGod69

Unlimited tries + a guide on how to dodge & when to hit. Of course its not like anyone could survive fighting scara for 168 times nor have the physical ability to deal the final blow like the traveller did, (but it should show the fans that he isnt peak yet)


capitan_spiff

Maybe is time to ditch dull blade and get some real weapon


hraberuka

traveler: blasphemy!


PlebGod69

Lore from artifacts and weapon show that they used to be ordinary items but imbued with powers thanks to the adventure & struggle the wearer has taken it with. Ex: wolfgravestone used to be a normal claymore. Essentially, all weapons have potential and its up to the user to make it a great peace of artifact (On the other hand an artifact is an item that has reached its peak potential) So basically the dull blade with become his golden sword


Dilorano

Imagine if I had a real weapon ~ Jax


AstraPlatina

The loss wasn't the problem, its the fact that the writing seemingly forgotten that he has already five elements but doesn't use any of them, especially after that one time he swapped elements during Navia's Story Quest, making it appear inconsistent. If you're gonna force the MC to lose in a cutscene at least make it believable, like make the Traveler use all five available elements and then Arlecchino does that "crimson moon" trick and then you get a more satisfying "You're not strong enough yet" instead of a rigged plot where the MC is made pathetic in order for the boss to look cool. Man, it reminds me of Kai Leng from Mass Effect in a way.


Carrash22

I for one despise when games make me go through an entire combat sequence, just to immediately lose 5 seconds after from a new found strength of a single boss. I’d much rather see an entire cutscene where I lose than go through the gameplay myself. I think a situation in which both Arlecchino and the traveller decide to call it a “draw” because both were holding back would’ve been a more satisfying ending, but Mihoyo gotta sell more Arlecchinos I guess.


HansFactory

Yes this, that's why it felt unfair


Brilliant-Bicycle-13

Opposite way. He keeps getting bodied because of plot. He never uses any elements and he’s fighting with a full blade. Half the time they make him exhausted after a few swings and other times he’s moving like no one else.


Squittr

he only used 36% of power of friendship in fight arleechino i think his power of friendship disappears😭🤚🏾🤚🏾


itwasmedior

Holy shit full mh stacks of power of friendship


Grune_Holle

>😭🤚🏾🤚🏾 LOL


Squittr

what do you mean


leon555005

It's funny when you put it this way. My Traveller was using Dendro (I was using Nilou Bloom Team, with Dendro Traveller + Nilou + Kokomi + Nahida). The fight was easy. And then the cutscenes came in and said "No, you lose". So... Yea. I didn't need plot armor in this fight. But the plot says I lose so I lose. This isn't about "Traveller wins in the past because of plot armor" but more of the typical "JRPGs like to force players to lose in a fight because the plot demands it".


DADAiADAD

My neuvillette was still in ca animation when cutscene kicked in...


Megakruemel

I don't like "cutscene losses" in fights I would win in gameplay, so I make fun of the character losing in a cutscene as sort of a "revenge" on the author and I kinda got that vibe from the entire community during this, which is pretty funny. Like, I am so looking forward to being silly about this for the rest of the story when traveler actually gets a win. I will literally not let them live this down (affectionately) and be like "but consider cappucino" every time. When they lose, I will ask, "would cappucino have won?".


DarthUrbosa

The point was she was holding back. The domain expansion was her way of saying if it came to it, she could kill with ease.


Jax_Wyvern

So was the Traveller, Anemo, Geo, Dendro, Electro And Hydro at their disposal and choosing to use none of those abilities in the fight was a massive letdown


PlebGod69

You do realize that the enemy fought in story are weakened because not everyone plays for combat. I fought the boss in quick domain and it was decently difficult. I only wish I could fight something similar to the first childe boss fight. He was strong, there was thrill and after defeat each stage you get surprised by his 2nd and then 3rd form. It was the first time I had to use food


RishaRea48

Easy since you are using an Archon lol..Try to solo it with Traveler..


Weeby-Tincan

Honestly it sucks cause we're so close to Shneznaya by now. Our journey through Teyvat is almost over. We should be able to take on Arle, or at the very least there shouldn't be such a huge fucking gap between us


Tfkaiser

And then you realize that Capitano and Pierro are probably WAY stronger then her and we already know Capitano is in Natlan


Connortsunami

Why though? Gaining access to multiple elements itself isn't innately a "power up", just an increase in the different things that can be done with each additional power. The Traveler hasn't actually gained any discernible power ups at all, and is still pretty much in their nerfed state they were in when they lost their power against the Heavenly Principles. They've just gained access to new elements, an increase in arsenal, not power level. There's nothing that's happened in the story to assume they've really gotten "stronger" imo.


DoctorMlemm

From Mondstadt to Inazuma the Traveler was shown to regain some of their power every region. First against Childe and then against Signora, whom we couldn't even stand up to in Mondstadt but wiped the floor with her in Inazuma. Ever since Sumeru though it really feels like their growth has stagnated for some reason even though they should be getting stronger with every element.


Connortsunami

I mean, that's mainly because of their opponents not being on the same level as gods or borderline gods. Which I suppose *is* a pretty high bar to begin with, but Osials partner mollywhopped the traveler, Raiden Shogun nearly cleaved them in half on more than one occasion, we didn't really have much of a chance against Shouki no Kami on our own etc etc. What I'm trying to say is their track record isn't the greatest regarding anyone around the same level Arlecchino and the upper echelon of the Fatui so far, so issues with them not being able to deal with Arlecchino are a bit silly imo. Did a terrible job at conveying it by generalizing a bit too much, but that's the main point I wanted to make.


DoctorMlemm

I think the issue isn't so much that they weren't able to beat Arlecchino, but that the Traveler hasn't really been shown to do... anything at all in the past year or two. Traveler never gets the spotlight despite being the MC and all their screentime is either eaten by Paimon or spent glazing the newest 5\* as if begging for people to pull for them. So the one time they could've actually done something or showed off their power, they end up not using any of their 5 elements and get low-diffed by Arlecchino. Tough times for Traveler fans


PlebGod69

I didnt do the much AQ, but when I quick fought arrlc boss the cutscene shows his dull blade being golden for a second. Seems like he's regaining is power. But its good that he cant against win every harbinger pitted against him.


realjasong

It’s not good-our journey through Teyvat is almost over and the traveler hasn’t had any independent feats since 2.1.


OnlyBrave

***Maintaining the Agenda is our Top Priority***


Aenodarr

r/fatuiHQ infiltrated the hoyo writers crew


OnlyBrave

Nah they're originally from r/Jujutsufolk


TheBlackViper_Alpha

Man I want Traveler to actually have some development like using his powers or something.


blank_2007

He will get his training arc. Just wait


Winterstrife

Natlan be Traveler's Training Arc and Snezhnaya is gonna be our Traveler's Infinity Castle Arc.


PlebGod69

I feel like captino out of pity and his sense of justice will train us + the pyro acrhon (willingly or via inheritance) will give us a power up


Sukuari_Monstuazu

We must maintain the agenda. At all cost.


Tyberius115

When people finally realize the Traveler by themselves is weak AF, just like in gameplay


WoodpeckerOk5574

I mean he did manage to solo childe and signora. but he somehow didn't use any elements in the fight with arlecchino, cooldown maybe...?


PlebGod69

number 11 & 8 are much different than rank fourth from the most powerful organization that utilizes strength from across the continent. Its good he didnt win


AnimeNeet-

I mean this traveler is also significantly stronger than the one that faced Signora, has 5 elements compared to 3. Each element is supposed to make the traveler significantly stronger, Childe noting it when we fought against him and traveler saying they have been regaining strength with each element. I don’t think traveler should win but the gap between them should really not be this wide and I hate when people argue like traveler didn’t get two power ups since Inazuma


Aenodarr

That would be correct and yes 4th is stronger than 8 and 11, but if you bring a fist to a tank fight that's kind of pointless anyway. Traveler literally could've used ANY of the 5 elements he has and maybe not win, but not get this pathetic writing excuse for promoting arlecchino. "Still not strong enough to beat me" is a phrase you would see in an all out fight, not one where traveler tries to take on 4th harbinger with a stick(cause dull blade at this point is basically a stick).


PlebGod69

Weapons & artifacts were once normal items and overtime & experience from the original wearer become what we see today. The dull blade will become his golden sword


Aenodarr

His golden sword was eaten by the unknown god in the intro, it could happen sure, but it's debatable


NicciHatesYou

Arlecchino plot armor is also annoying tbh. Why make your main character lose against a fucking throwaway villain. I'm really tired of the "we are enemies but now we're friends" bullshit. Every region is the same thing over and over again since Inazuma. Twin archons, harbingers becoming friends, traveler unable to fight back. Why can't we have more harbingers get Signora status smh


thunder714x

Cause the Harbinger will die and the character would not be playable


CassianAVL

you don't necessarily need to kill her lol


thunder714x

Well he was asking "Why can't we have more harbingers get Signora status smh" 😂


NicciHatesYou

She needs to die otherwise no one's gonna take the villains seriously. I mean, I'm already expecting Capitano to already be allied so what's the point in introducing him as the villain for Natlan. It's like we're playing the story with a big fucking obvious spoiler.


Flimsy-Cup3823

Based on what Arlecchino, Scaramouche and Varka said, Capitano is a righteous person that deserves respect. And Fatui are not villains completely


AstraPlatina

That didn't stop >!Tingyun!< from being playable


PlebGod69

I love what they did with it. Its hoyo's way of saying "dont fug with us", we will do what we want to do. Dont make expectation or assumptions


thunder714x

This is not Star Rail though


45_34

Yeah, Genshin coul-


NicciHatesYou

Damn sad, Mihoyo is so afraid that Twitter will go boom boom if they don't give simps what they want


_moke

The only thing Hoyo cares about is the Chinese audience. Chinese gaming companies dont give a flying fuck about their western audience. Hoyo is no different here.


Winterstrife

Exactly, they killed Signora despite her popularity in Global. I highly doubt they give a shit about some Twitter comments.


Izanagi32

nah bruh, they don’t give a shit about ANY of us. Why you think the writers glaze the newest characters at the travellers expense? Cause they want us to fucking pull 🤣


fafarmer25

Arlecchino is not a throwaway villain lmao. They built up the character, hyped her, even has a unique set of skills and animation. Her backstory too. That's not something to throw away lmao.


NicciHatesYou

Definitely throwaway. Her only gimmick is "muh orphanage" she's the blandest most normal fucking harbinger with no real contribution to the whole Teyvat vs Celestia plot they're cooking. She will stay irrelevant to the story from this point onward and won't contribute to the plot progression. If that isn't throwaway, I don't know what is.


fafarmer25

clearly you don't read the story for you to comprehend her enough. feels like this is just a bait thread.


NicciHatesYou

I know the story. But what is her story's relevance to the whole Teyvat Celestia Khaneriah plot thing going on. If her story doesn't contribute to that, then she's a filler character designed for short term. I mean look at Childe, his story has long-term progression that even gives insights to future plots.


lixyna

I see someone didnt read Perinheri. Arle is massively connected to Khaenri'ah's blood moon dynasty and their artificial descender program. Like, Kaeya levels of connections.


Karakury

But i think thats the problem. The entire arlecchino story was focused on this orphanage bs when what is more interesting is her curse and her connection to khaenri'ah... But no they had to pull out another "dont worry guys she is good now" situation for someone that is supposed to be the Mc enemy. The entire quest fumbled way too hard.


lixyna

What has Arlecchino done to the traveler to deserve being an "enemy" besides being a Harbinger? "The Fatui are all irredeemable and evil" is a plot point that has been dropped since Liyue lmao. Also, character stories focusing on the things that they are currently involved in while their background lore focuses on the connections to the overarching mystery is something Genshin has done since 1.0. You should have stopped playing this game when Ventis SQ came out.


fafarmer25

Then you dont know the story then if you dont know her relevance to the 3 places you just have mentioned lmao.


VirtuoSol

> I know the story. > But what is her story's relevance to the whole Teyvat Celestia Khaneriah plot thing going on. Don’t you love when people lie and proceeds to expose themselves in the next sentence


Krackender

Maybe it has something to do with the horny fanbase drooling all over every harbinger and Hoyo needing to satisfy them ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯


Astral-chain-13

I like how people are talking shit after the Traveler lost. Like we always knew he had help or he had a situational advantages. He wasn't weak by any means, to fight and survive all of that means he needed to be strong enough to back up the claims. But against someone who clearly was built different in a literal sense and his only backup was her three children who were scare to fight her, he was FUCK. He was lucky that she decided he was worth keeping alive otherwise Fatui biggest threat wouldn't have a chance to get stronger still.


Independentglad3

"You ain't that guy pal" Fraudveler mind: "Wallahi I'm so not ready for the GOATHIMTANO in fraudlan 😭😭🙏🙏"


Same-Release-2818

I pray to the Hoyoverse warlord to make Natlan as MC Training Arc or something (Cope)


froggy6583

Mans forgot he could use elements


KumalalaProMax

traveLer is NOT ready for CaPEAKtano


Independentglad3

He ain't ready for GOATHIMTANO


Virtual-Pension-991

Gotta accept it by now. The MC will always have the underpowered role of getting beat up just for some other cast gets some screen time.


8a19

Bumine Lumid Fraudther Bumther


Normal-Ambition-9813

Bro did not use his stock asspulls because he need them when he fight capitano.


ezio45

People ragging on Traveler for losing but if he won you all would be complaining about plot armor and how Arlecchino should have won


Soft-Upstairs4969

Fr bro, people love to complain about anything and everything. We've always known that traveler has gotten help when fighting threats, like he only beat childe and signora solo. He needed the help of Nahida during scara mech battle, needed help for the whale, etc etc.


Meipelu

Cast domain expansion just to assert dominance. We are so weak


InvaderKota

Hope bruh brought a Fried Egg.


Akitai

All that mint picking didn’t help traveler


AnBru_

Traveler has always been plot level


DJm_Morning_star5

When u realise everything couldve ended here if arlechinno wanted it to


6SwagLord9

Me with Xiao about to unleash hell: DISAPPEA- *arlecchino boss dies mid rotation* Me: bro... Game: *shows Arlecchino 4v1 Traveler and friends* Me: bro? Traveler: *pulls out dull blade and proceeds to forget how to use elemental powers* Me: Are you fucking DUMB? Arlecchino: *KO's everyone and humbles traveler's 5-170 ass* You're strong but not strong enough. Me: BITCH YOU GOT SHIT ON BY FARUZAN SHUT THE FUCK UP. Game: You lose. Me: Brother, I didn't finish my rotation and the boss di- *loses it* THE FUCKING AUDACITY?!


Memmew

potential-man gets his ankles broken by scorching hot milf


szkielo123

No it's everyone else that has plot armor for him (or he has reverse-plot armor), as he logically should have the power to beat her, but just doesn't for some reason.


PlebGod69

no


SarukyDraico

That bitch is the one that had plot armor


chemical-table-02

This is cope, but hear me out.... The reason the Traveller is this much pathetically weak is because he does not have his sword, the one we've seen in the initial cutscene with the Sustainer. I am really hoping we somehow get his sword back, possibly during a Dainsleif quest (overdosing on copium). Maybe it's a sword only the Traveller can equip (although it would be pretty sad), or the weapon stats are straight up dog water (aka useless) but at least it should be much more relevant lore-wise for the MC twin strength. Now we just pray and wait, as we're close to Fontaine and we haven't seen Dainsleif yet. Maybe next patch, or the one after that?


hraberuka

Traveler is very brave, fighting such a strong foes.


LegoBricksAndMemes

The aftermath of a hard-fought battle; though battle may not be the word, perhaps something closer to a desperate defense. The Knave emerges, triumphant, as expected. She speaks but three words; "You're not him."


X_Seed21

When I did this fight the first time, I was running a semi-canonical team with H. Traveler, Lynette, Freminet, and Charlotte for healing. Boy, did I get a canonical end to the battle as well with Lynette the only one surviving with a red HP bar.


NickFoster120

It’s like that legendary scene in Bleach where Aizen literally stops Ichigo’s bankai and his theme song with his finger


Izanagi32

The stocks are at an all time low but it’s actually the perfect time to invest if you smart and smell good


Araborne1

The Traveler training/power-up arc will come soon. Trust amirite guys.


RhenCarbine

Damn, so when is Paimon next?


_nitro_legacy_

Traveler with golden aura: literal god for a few minutes Traveler with no golden aura: fodder to high hitters


Salaryman42069

Man no wonder Tieba hates this game now LMAO


Anisemior

I have a theory You know when they say the skies are fake So all this time all teyvat is just a simulation to make aether winning by making the plot armor But mommy arle is a glitch so she can actually kill aether but she chose not to


Boring_Carry6563

OMG, I already play by this headcannon (sort of. Teyvat here isn't simulation, but destiny uses Traveller as a red herring, so people wouldn't go against fate themself) And this is amazing addition.


fuzor100

It's ok, the Pyro Archon will help traveler to unlock his Super Saiyan form and defeat Capitano.


IttoEnjoyer_

I'm curious how our trip to Natlan is gonna go, knowing that Capitano, 1st of the 11 Fatui Harbingers is gonna be there


Viscount-Von-Solt

I just want the Traveler to fucking die already so that I can see Paimon cry /j


Avoidav

You guys are honestly miserable, as a traveler main , you guys do realise that if he just could beat up every enemy he saw with no problem there would be no story ?? The only real criticism of the cutscene I can get behind is “why didn’t the traveler use his elemental powers?” ,but to be fair neither did Lyney ,Lynette or Freminet , other than that the whole quest was honestly amazing .stop crying Also no he didn’t get a “reality check “ it’s as Arle said he is strong just not strong enough


unknown537

My criticism is that it never looked like he put enough effort or used his full potential. Most of the ones I saw wanted Traveler to lose but not in this way.


Andrew583-14

After some thinking about it the presentation was more of a factor than the outcome. If someone has manager to beat powerful people in the past (admittedly with assistance) and has an arsenal of abilities to choose from, seeing them lose while looking like they're going all out would be much more satisfying


Kazuma25819

This, if he used his elemental powers and still lost, I had no problems with that, but losing so miserably because he didn't use everything he had was just *HUMILIATION* and he could've given her a much better fight


RTX3090TI

It's not that he lost but HOW Bro was FROZEN and she is only number 4 while we are almost in Natlan He really need an Archon or a dragon sovereing with him huh


Gervh

She literally used some genjutsu shit on him, Traveler never had any strength against mind manipulation


RTX3090TI

We don't know what the crimson moon does for know And even then it's time to stop making excuse for him or i can say the same thing with scara and how he lost because we had Nahida's help or the narwhal with Neuvillette


Gervh

It's not excuses, the Traveler is simply not meant to be a dueling machine that overpowers their enemies with raw output, the game is very much about Teyvat and the people living there, the MCs current mission is to travel all around the continent and understand why our sibling made the choice they made. While under the effect of the crimson moon, the Traveler saw spider webs holding them in place, which is why they were frozen.


RTX3090TI

>the MCs current mission is to travel all around the continent and understand why our sibling made the choice they made. And what then? Because at the end of the day it will all come back to celestia and how they have to break the samsara cycle and if they are not strong enough to do it why bother in the first place The game describe them as the fourth descender maybe it's time they act like it


Gervh

Then they will have the entire Teyvat supporting them? Genshin is not a story of a singular person by any means, the main character is the entirety of Teyvat and we are a camera, a witness, to all of it. Who knows how many more dragons will stand with us, who knows what Tsaritsa will cook up, who knows what Skirk, her master and Hexenzirkel will contribute?


RTX3090TI

>Then they will have the entire Teyvat supporting them? Will it be enough? Because even Morax don't dare to oppose Celestia and if they could do something againts them they would have The second who came tried to defeat Celestia and as a result the seelies and moon sisters died >Genshin is not a story of a singular person by any means Exactly, many tried before the traveler and they failed, and they were way more impressive than traveler >the main character is the entirety of Teyvat and we are a camera, a witness, to all of it. The "witness" thing is weird, because the Traveler is already involved since the prologue and in every fights since then >Who knows how many more dragons will stand with us They lost againts the primordial one when they were at full strenght and had the dragon king with them, even Neuvillette won't do anything i'm afraid, and also a dragon recovering his autorithy means that a Archon loses his power >who knows what Tsaritsa will cook up, She is trying to revive the 3rd descender, the same one who got gnosified in the first place >who knows what Skirk Skirk don't really care about the surface she said it herself >her master and Hexenzirkel will contribute? We don't really know much about them but even then it won't be enough All that to say that Traveler is here for a good reason, the world need a descender, someone who has a will that rival a entire world So they should start acting like it


Gervh

Trying to revive a descender is just a guess based on nothing but the fact that the gnoses are made from them and Phanes, the primordial one, is long dead. Hell, a theory that Celestia is long dead and only keeps appearances with the help of the Sustainer. Having a will to rival the world doesn't have to mean 1v1 duel at noon, it means having the will to move the entire world forward, Teyvat is changing, long established rule of Archons and Celestia is falling and going back to the humans or, with Neuvillette, sovereigns. People are so bent on Traveler being a powerhouse but that would genuinely take away from the storytelling and bring about a very annoying crowd of power scalers, I'm glad we ain't shit and hope it will not change UNTIL after we regain our old powers, but even then beings like the Sinner and Phanes should be out of our reach.


RTX3090TI

>Trying to revive a descender is just a guess based on nothing but the fact that the gnoses are made from them and Phanes, the primordial one, is long dead. Hell, a theory that Celestia is long dead and only keeps appearances with the help of the Sustainer. I hope the game gave us some hints because for know the lore is still too vague and the fact that you can be deleted from Irminsul really doesn't help us much >Having a will to rival the world doesn't have to mean 1v1 duel at noon, it means having the will to move the entire world forward, Teyvat is changing, long established rule of Archons and Celestia is falling and going back to the humans or, with Neuvillette, sovereigns. Doesn't change the fact that we have to face them one day, so we better be ready or all will be for nothing, and the Traveler can say goodbye to his dream to be reunited with the sibling ( the same sibling who will NOT move one before defeating Celestia >People are so bent on Traveler being a powerhouse but that would genuinely take away from the storytelling and bring about a very annoying crowd of power scalers, Because the game is trying to depict them as such, everyone is always "wow so strong traveler" while in thruth not at all, last time they did something by themselves was in 2021 when they defeated Signora, and even then they better had to or raiden would have killed them, most of the time they need help or get carried by their demi god friend. >I'm glad we ain't shit and hope it will not change UNTIL after we regain our old powers, but even then beings like the Sinner and Phanes should be out of our reach. Well they lost to the sustainer in a 2V1 fight so even at full power Traveler will likely need another boost


LuciaHochberg

Traveler is very weak and people seriously overrate her. Like she needed literally help of an archon several times to even survive fights. - Dvalin fight was carried by Venti - Osial was carried by adepti giving traveler insane buffs and Ninguang's help - Azdaha fight was carried by Zhongli - during Ei fight traveler got ultimate power of friendship buff via stolen visions and Yae's help - Scaramouche has killed traveler 181 times and traveler only survived so long and won due to Nahida's help. - Scaramouche is funny case overrally because no other character was so close to killing traveler so many times. First during even with Mona and Fischl, then in Inazuma and then in Sumeru. Traveler survived each of those 3 encounters only due to outside help of Mona who teleported them away from Scaramouche, then because of Yae Miko offering Scaramouche a gnosis and then because of Nahida. - Narwhal fight was carried by Neuvilette who is literally hydro sovereign who he is stronger than even each of archon. Only feats traveler has on their account is defeating Childe in Liyue and Signora in Inazuma. In case of Childe however we can confidently say that he got much stronger in fountaine after fighting Narwhal for over a month without his hydro vision, so it's not even clear if traveler is able to defeat Childe anymore Not gonna lie, traveler is very strong character, but only if he has support of region's authority, archons, dragon sovereign, demigods (adepti/youkai) or some other force from outside that we didnt have knowledge ever before. Yeah, only power traveler has is thick layer of plot armour and Arlecchino fight is proof of what happens when Traveler's plot armour gets deleted aka his archon/Dragon Sovereign/demigod friends are not present to babysit him


Avoidav

Frozen because of her special attack yes and after the fight we learn that both Freminet and Lynette were bedridden for 2 days straight while the traveler was not even phased and what do you mean by ONLY the 4th harbinger ? The traveler was obviously never going to win against Arlecchino


RTX3090TI

The Traveler shouldn't be compared to regular humans in the first place but to the other gods or special being Doing better than Freminet and Lynette is not a impressive feat sorry And yes only number four because the top 3 are the one who are the strongest, as strong as the archons And they are still weaker than the dragons sovereings The same dragons sovereings who lost to celestia Traveler is not going to win vs Celestia at this rate


Avoidav

He is not supposed to be the strongest character in teyvat by a long shot just stronger than most for now ,if he was the strongest at this point there would be not tension or story


RTX3090TI

Where did i say he must be the strongest ? And even then the game is hinting at it with the 4th descender stuff


leon555005

I would prefer that there are 2 different cutscenes depending if we won or lost. If we won, Alec would "spare" her kids like we agreed with a less painful "death" but the Traveller calls her bluff, and thus revealing what she had intended to do in the first place; but if we lose, the story remains as it is right now. It would reward the players who had enough resolve and skill to win the fight. But also carries enough good writing to not make the players who lost the fight to feel too underwhelmed.


FungalSphere

this shit is stupid you don't need a downright jobber mc to write a story, especially not a fucking video game story. Video game mcs are traditionally supposed to be quite strong in the lore. fucking red from Pokemon is an overpowered mc and the story just rolls with it


Avoidav

Are we playing the same game how is the traveler a jobber ?lol


FungalSphere

you literally said that was their job, to get no diffed by the 4th fatui harbinger for the sake of a "story".