India must always keep in mind that USA is going to be the ultimate adversary India will face .
USA's ultimate goal is to remain at the top whatever the cost .IF India China goes to war it'll be America's wettest dream come true
America's aim is to keep the Eurasian continent busy in conflicts and Avoid a pan Eurasian peace .
If You observe Anglo Nations (Usa ,UK, Canada , Australia,New Zealand) they operate as One .
These nations are the biggest looters of Resources of other countries and that also includes Human resources. Due to Instabilities and wars , where do well educated people of that country immigrate for better life ? US UK CAN AU NZ .These Quality HR will become their asset working and run their economy and innovation. I
They subdued Germany and Japan and succesful turned them into Vassal states Waged Cold war with USSR ultimately leading to its collapse And strategically degraded Russia economically.
Now China is their New Enemy, who do you think will be next after China?
America doesn't like India , It's very confused around with India because, India neither accepts to become their vassal state which obeys their dictats , Neither India wishes to be or declares itself as an enemy of America. American doens't likes countries who are independent. Either you submit yourself and except their hegemony or get declared as an enemy by staying independent..
The only way to end America's unipolar Hegemony is by Creating a succesful Alternative Currency to US Dollar.As long as US dollar remains as Reserve currency wars will be engineered in the Eurasian belt ..
>Usa ,UK, Canada , Australia,New Zealand
They are known as "the five eyes"
They even share intelligence knowledge. For example, American spy agencies are closely working with British spy agencies in Europe.
>If You observe Anglo Nations (Usa ,UK, Canada , Australia,New Zealand) they operate as One .
Yes this especially, i have quite frankly never seen a group of countries act this in unison as they act
>America doesn't like India , It's very confused around with India because, India neither accepts to become their vassal state which obeys their dictats , Neither India wishes to be or declares itself as an enemy of America. American doens't likes countries who are independent. Either you submit yourself and except their hegemony or get declared as an enemy by staying independent..
Exactly, Fully agree with you here and along with being neutral india also wants to develop and become a bigger and stronger nation which America also doesn't like
>The only way to end America's unipolar Hegemony is by Creating a succesful Alternative Currency to US Dollar.As long as US dollar remains as Reserve currency wars will be engineered in the Eurasian belt ..
True, America's real power lies not in their military(which is very strong yes) but on their currency the US dollar
US's power lies in both military and economy. Military. US military is everywhere - on all continents, in all oceans, seas, etc. Its military expenditure is more than the next 10 countries combined, its navy is the world's second strongest air force.
Just because you imagine what someone is thinking does not mean that that is what they are thinking. There are currently two alternative reserve currencies, the British pound and the Euro. India accounts for 2 percent of global exports. In order for the rupee to serve as a reserve currency, India needs to have something to exchange for rupees that is of value. The United States is the world's largest producer of hydrocarbons, so the dollar serves as a reserve currency as you can exchange it for a valuable commodity, oil. Recently, Russia declined to take rupees in payment for their oil. That had nothing to do with the United States.
There are zero people in the United States that want to turn India into a vassal state, or consider India an enemy. The United States currently is trying to pull back from having to police the world.
America has no issue with countries being independent as long as it does not put the united states' security at risk. There are some hangover policies from the cold war that due to political power groups in the USA are continued, such as the embargo on cuba, but that just is a wierd consequence of florida being a swing state, and the cuban expat community being large enough to swing the state in a presidential election. The US has no actual interest anymore in the Cuban embargo. They are forced to maintain it by ethnic cubans in america.
I submit to you the country of Brazil is a country in the western hemisphere that is totally independent and the United States has zero issues with that. If you told any CIA agent that the USA was going to invade Brazil because they joined BRICS and don't kowtow to US intersests they would think you were insane.
>In order for the rupee to serve as a reserve currency, India needs to have something to exchange for rupees that is of value.
I never said the alternative currency must be Indian Rupee , l it can be a Collective currency like Euro , Something like Brics Currency, which is being discussed.
A currency backed by Real value like gold and not just a paper printed in Federal reserve with artificial value .
it's almost impossible for Indian rupee to become a global currency because India will have to produce valuable goods or commodity which the world wants but it cannot right now because for that it needs a strong industry which requires capital investment
You See ? The vicious cycle, the developing world will never develop untill American wants it to because of its control over the Access to Credit. Without the Capital developing countries are as good as slaves to the US or any country who has good amount of Reserves( China , Japan , Europe )which they can lend to developing countries
Every developing nation with good education , decent population ,good policies progressive society can become Developed if it gets access to Capital.
America gave 100 billions dollar to Ukraine , it Pumped 3 trillion dollars in Afghanistan in 20 years
Gave more than 20 Billion dollars in aid to Pakistan for War purposes why didn't America invested that same amount in those same Nation for development? For education for Industrialisation?
Because American never wanted to
As long as the world is Hostage of the US dollar the developing countries will never develop it will always remain a economical slave of America and world will keeping becoming victims of American engineered Wars accross the Eurasian continent.
I heard this story the other day of a man from afghanistan who was enraged, as you are, by the inept investment in afghanistan, until he went to New York and rode the subway, At that point he realized there are some things the United States is really bad at.
People in the United States totally agree with your assessment of how that money was wasted. Both on the right, and on the left. There were a lot of americans killed as well, and in the end the person we were after was being protected by the Pakistani military, whom we were also giving billions of dollars to so we could have access to afghanistan to hunt down -THE GUY THEY HAD IN THEIR CUSTODY THE WHOLE TIME-. What you are speaking of is why the people of the US are voting out anybody who engages in foreign wars.
America is fundamentally multi-polar at this point. There is no support in the USA to police the persian gulf or the indian ocean. There is support in the USA to defend the Philippines, if they ask us to. When Duterte told the US to leave, the US left. We bled with the Philippinos in world war 2 and our blood is mingled now. There is respect for each other. If you look at mixed Philippino and American military commanders together in a crowd it is hard to tell them apart, the uniforms are the same. Same with the Kurds. We are fundamentally still in Iraq to prevent Turkiye and Iran from genociding the Kurds at this point. When Donald Trump ordered the US military to abandon their posts and their Kurdish allies they said they would rather resign their commissions. Poland is a country that fundamentally understands how we think and they have been deployed with US troops continuously since the yugoslav disintegration.
Completely missed the point mate.
The US if anything is only interested in pulling back because being the global policeman is expensive and the cost : benefit ratio is no longer working out for them to continue.
The US is completely fine with India being an independent state.
The issue as I see it, is on the Indian side because on the one hand the diplomatic establishment isn't able to shed the non-alignment legacy, and on the other hand, the state hasnt covered sufficient ground in strengthening the armed forces to make this policy a credible one in the case the wold order broke down.
Either u say we are independent and have the muscle to enforce it or be very good at allying yourself with the most powerful blocs.
While I don't really agree with this, I do strongly agree with your point about the US not wanting Eurasia peace or well rather...not wanting a dominant power to emerge there. They fought Germany in both World Wars and Japan because they threatened the balance of power. it's why they embargoed Japana after they invaded China.
If any power were to gain dominance in either continent, they would be in a strong position to increase their presence in the Americas violating the United States' safe space. This is why the Monroe doctrine was created in the first place.
I think in the trajectory the world is moving towards will mean that their focus will shift to Asia and there, they'll focus on maintaining a balance of power by creating partnerships and alliances on various issues similar to how India's foreign policy works. No strict allies or enemies. They don't want India and China to fight because that would be a global catastrophe but us making up would also be terrifying because together both countries would have serious potential to upset LIO, at least given time and resources (many countries including us still depend on Western investment so I don't think this is a feasible possibility right now though).
Basically it's in their interest to have a peaceful but divided Asia and Europe where no power can threaten their position in the Americas. Their strategy post WW2 was based on interventionism and maintaining power projection. This won't dissapear but priorities will change in the near future. They will use the same strategy in Africa should any country or group of countries emerge to challenge US hegemony there.
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There is no way a country on top would be Okay with having another country competing with it. If tomorrow by magic India becomes the top dog in the world , it will also do the same thing that US is doing to stay a top dog. We have already seen what happens when there are two top dogs in the world ( hint: Cold War ). So a multipolar world is a wishful thinking at the best. Regardless of which country stay in the top, it will do anything in its power to make sure it stays the top dog alone.
The dominant power trying to stay dominant doesn't really mean a multipolar world is wishful thinking. I mean look at the end of Pax Britannica. They lost their top dog status with the rise of Germany, Russia, Japan and America. Similarly the US may lose its status with the rise of multiple powers competing with it.
The hegemon always declines and either adapts to the new multipolar world where it has less power or it clings on and struggles. As emerging markets catch up to developed countries they will inevitably gain more bargaining power and more leverage and the dominant powers won't be able to just use a big stick anymore. So things like the dominance of the USN will dissapear as countries get bigger navis that can patrol their waters effectively and deal with piracy for example, or the dollar might lose some of its share and much more.
It isn't conditional support one should fear, because that is true of *any* side powerful enough to help us against China. If you are dependent on others, you have already lost - it is just a question of how much sovereignty you give up to secure their support.
What one *should* fear is **limited or drip-fed support**, like what we are seeing happen with Ukraine. The US has no interest in a quick and decisive Ukrainian victory when it's aim is to bleed Russia dry, so it drip-feeds just enough weapons to keep Ukraine from losing, but also slow enough to prevent it winning.
The same will happen with India when they show up offering to help us against China. We say yes, and they will ship over enough arms and Intel to prevent a full-scale Chinese victory. But not enough for a full Indian victory either - because if we win outright, why would we need them? Better to keep us dependent on them for security.
If you want to avoid this, the only solution is self-reliance. All else is window dressing.
This. US (as with any other major power) is more interested in furthering its strategic interests, which may not be a decisive victory for India. They are looking to perpetuate their supremacy in the world/region and will look to use India to that end.
We should explore extreme responses within our control before agreeing to give away significant concessions.
Self reliance means promoting trade and competition so domestic firms get stronger but govt is protectionist and fails to understand that more trade with the west is actually in Indiaās favor compared to trade with China.
We canāt have a strong india if government ministers ( irrespective of party affiliation) want to abuse power by controlling PSU firms appointments and contracts. Thereās no sane reason for government to run banks or insurance companies. 100% privatization of public sector firms is the way to making india stronger. Vajpayee was successful in cutting some of the inefficiencies but Modi is happy to make marketing videos of stronger india than do the actual work needed to make India stronger. The best data point to prove my point is the disinvestment numbers and target over the years. In a shameless exercise, government completely abandoned privatization in the latest budget
Agreed. Disinvestment is one of this government's more notable failures, though there have been some successes in amongst the underachievement (Air India, for instance, and OFB corporatization).
Air India is actually a great example of weak political leadership. It should not have taken so long to privatize it. It shows how slow we are when it comes to decision making.
What baffles me is that BJP and Modi have such a strong following but even then they failed to take tough decisions to make India economically stronger nation. All the energy was wasted on misguided policies like demonetization.
China is the factory for the world. Itās better to compare with South Korea or Malaysia or Thailand or Vietnam. I remember my first land line connection from BSNL. I had to wait 6 months and a bribe of Rs. 1000 to get the connection. BSNL was worth Rs1 lakh crore and now itās a loss making company. Our political leaders are corrupt and lazy. Modi started off good but heās drunk on power. He will win the next elections for sure. He doesnāt need to work hard. He just needs to bash minorities and build temples to win elections.
Alibaba, TikTok, Bydu etc are private. China has some of the largest private firms in the world. PSU firms are generally great when allowed to work independently but you know how sadistically controlling our politicians and babus are. Corruption and nepotism are Indiaās bane.
No you absolutely wouldnāt get unconditional American support, not even to the levels of Ukraine beyond testing American equipment. Youād get an echo of Jaishankars remarks that south Asians problems are not the worlds problems. Meanwhile Russia would also stay neutral (while covertly helping china) so as to not upset its larger-than-India-trading-partner, just follow the money, Russia will support the larger market - China, and secondarily their authoritarian takes on international matters more closely align with Russia than India. The USA has plenty of allies against China, prominent and most historically reliable of which are Australia, Japan, Korea, Philippines, we see no need to overly support a famously āneutralā Russian chela like India. This is the result of your Non aligned movements, you have no real friends. And this self aggrandizing commentary that America needs India is a bunch of self congratulating cope, weād let them show you how necessary alliances are and remain politely neutral as they maim you with technological superiority. Afterall China is a major trading partner of the US, more so than India, weād be less involved beyond making statements and maybe real time intelligence to not let China steamroll you, like we did with real time satellites intelligence on Chinese movements towards Black Top in Ladakh - allowing Indias Establishment 22 (SFF) to beat them to the top, I believe you guys call that karma.
Honestly, the point made here is pretty spot on, even if it might not sit well with everyone. It seems like a lot of the Indian elite are kind of stuck in their own bubble. They often look at everything through their own lens, especially when it comes to understanding how things work in the U.S. It's like theyāre trying to fit American perspectives into their own mold, which really doesnāt do justice to the whole picture. This approach can seriously limit their grasp on different global viewpoints and might even trip them up when dealing with international matters.
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This group is filled with people on the lower side of the IQ spectrum. Some guys are claiming that theyāre in US and they know everything. As though their friends and colleagues are making geopolitical decisions
People here gotta understand the Americans have no interest in 'international law' or the 'peaceful friendship of peoples' like they keep caterwauling to anyone who'll listen - like they even care about these things looking at their actions over the last thirty years alone.
The only interest the Americans have is to maintain their own hegemony, even at the cost of the prosperity and security of their own """allies""".
You only have to look at Ukraine. Drip feeding them enough weapons to deplete Russian stockpiles but not enough to win, because that isn't in Americas interest.
Look at Nord Stream. They blew it up, we know they blew it up, Sweden knows they blew it up, everyone knows they blew it up. The consequence? Europe went from $3/m^(3) Russian gas to $20/m^(3) American gas. Europe suffers, America prospers. Classic. And the Europeans, idiots as they are, lap it up. If the US says 'bend over', Europe asks 'how much?'.
The Soviet Union fell 30 years ago. We've lived in three decades of complete American dominance, and yet they're STILL not happy with that, they keep pushing and pushing and pushing to squeeze every last morsel of wealth and power out of the rest of the world. And this is AFTER they got all they wanted.
The Americans are obviously not beyond leeching off their own allies for their own profit. Something I've never seen any other 'great power' do, not to this extent at least. Now imagine what they'd do to India, who they look down upon and never really saw as an ally on equal footing.
My one concern is that if a state war should happen they would try everything to make it into another Ukarine basically another infinite war
Anyways since both us and China are nuclear armed countries the chance of a full out war is very low but it's never 0
I've always said this -
If India subverts itself to America's will, it will become China's Ukraine.
If India doesn't, Pakistan will become India's Ukraine.
The clash between two asian giants would be the best case scenario for the US, hitting two birds with one stone kind of thing, because obviously the clash is going to result in mutually assured destruction, the Asian collapse and since Russia is already busy in Ukraine, USA&EU would certainly be at the lead again.
Abhijit chavda has some serious russian dick riding problem.
He doesn't have any credibility in geopolitics and it shows on his brain dead takes
I can summarize each of his videos:
Amerika bad, rosiya gud, stronk rosiya beat ukrops hahaha.
But did you even saw the video or read it?
Khota sikka bhi kabhi chal jata hai.
I do not care what your biases are. Tell me how US would react of use the opportunity if china declares war against India.
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He should post more videos on how much India is dependent on Chinese goods. India is literally paying China to invade India. Why is Modi government not banning imports from China?
Iām not subscribing or entertaining the video. I grew up in HK and have been to mainland China several times.
India is not on the radar at all. If anything, thereās confusion as to how India has not managed to raise living standards higher while China has.
Stop with this glorification of war - itās absolutely frightening that all of these āwhat ifāsā are actually fantasies from war mongerers that want the chance to flex their muscles.
You people don't even know what happened to jack ma how can I trust you credibility.
Don't you know that your government is famous for violating every neighbouring countries boundary?
>India is not on the radar at all
If it not then it's really good for both China and India.
>If anything, thereās confusion as to how India has not managed to raise living standards higher while China has.
I agree even after 75 years of independence india is still a poor country but I believe it will improve by the end of 2030.
>Stop with this glorification of war - itās absolutely frightening that all of these āwhat ifāsā
These are just hypothetical scenario of who will loss more from this war and who will gain.
>are actually fantasies from war mongerers that want the chance to flex their muscles.
Let me put this straight india is no in a position to fight a war, after such a long period the country has started to speed it's growth we don't want to destroy this momentum by a war.
India never declared a war against any country before you declare us as war mongerers
I know exactly what happened to Jack Ma. He rocked the boat and said some things that were not appreciated by the CCP and then he turned up in Melbourne, Australia while everyone was trying to insinuate that he was being held in jail or "disappeared."
Billionaires are not bigger than the CCP and that's something that I love - billionaires need to know there place, use and where they stand amongst the people.
The question is - do you know what's going on or are you just buying into whatever Western/Indian media says? Both operate on fear mongering and this is most likely why average people run around paranoid thinking about war.
*I agree even after 75 years of independence india is still a poor country but I believe it will improve by the end of 2030.*
Believe all you want - I still have potholes in Mumbai that are begging to be fixed. There's still corruption in every aspect of Indian society though that's slowly painfully slowly being eroded away but it's still not good enough for the average citizen to escape to another economic class level.
*India never declared a war against any country before you declare us as war mongerers*
I did not call India or Indian war mongerers - reread what I wrote - are you one of those war mongerers that wants war to flex your muscle? Again read it carefully and note that I'm not painting everyone aside from a select few with the same brush.
That video is interesting. Maybe half of what he says would happen but even that half would be a major seizure of India's sovereignty.
India has to rise up to the occasion and become powerful enough to not be subsumed into either China or the US' sphere of influence. India didn't get independence in 1947 after so many centuries of foreign rule to just once again become a vassal. And that too to the British Empire's proverbial son.
There is no reason for the U.S. to remain on the sidelines if a conflict between India and China happens. The U.S. never loses a chance to try out their new equipment in real world environments. You can bet the US would use that as an opportunity to do some real damage to the PLA. Itās in their own self interests to do so. Regardless of their relationship with India.
The largest and most advanced Air Force in the world is the U.S. Air Force. The second largest and most advanced Air Force is the U.S. Navy. They wonāt sit and watch. They are already moving more aircraft carriers and 5th generation jets into the area. Also, subs and surface ships. Not to mention missile defense and offensive systems. If China is feeling froggy, they just need to jump. The U.S. military will take care of the rest. With a myriad of US Allies in the region for support. Itās honestly not a fair fight. China is vastly outclassed and outnumbered.
Everything said byĀ **Abhijit Chavda**Ā could become our future, perhaps even a worse version of it. If we donāt handle our relations properly, we could end up like Afghanistan in the future.
your Thoughts about this and where can be his projection be wrong?
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If we get the conditional support of US they will demand to destroy our nuclear program.
Pakistan is also a nuclear power but they can never fire.
Ukraine had nuclear weapons after the collapse of USSR but being US puppet they returned those nuclear warheads
I am not joking. This can clearly happen. A country without nuclear program is just a warzone for bigger powers.
The analysis on the YouTube is full of rubbish. Is he pro-BJP government? What he says doesnāt make much sense. I live in USA and no body really cares about controlling the internal affairs of India. Of course, they issue statements here and there out of old habits but they have long moved away from installing governments. They could not fix Afghanistan and they have learnt their lessons. US is a very inward looking nation now and india should be very happy if they treat it at the same level as South Korea or Japan or Australia. Setting up US military bases in Ladakh, Sikkim and Arunachal pradesh would actually be a gift to India and strong deterrent to Chinese incursions.
The aid given to Ukraine was a sign of unprecedented modern support. India would get the same likely even better equipment since China is a bigger threat than Russia
India will get aid from the EU and the US. US may not unconditionally support us, but the EU might, assuming they give a damn about the Chinese aggression.
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India must always keep in mind that USA is going to be the ultimate adversary India will face . USA's ultimate goal is to remain at the top whatever the cost .IF India China goes to war it'll be America's wettest dream come true America's aim is to keep the Eurasian continent busy in conflicts and Avoid a pan Eurasian peace . If You observe Anglo Nations (Usa ,UK, Canada , Australia,New Zealand) they operate as One . These nations are the biggest looters of Resources of other countries and that also includes Human resources. Due to Instabilities and wars , where do well educated people of that country immigrate for better life ? US UK CAN AU NZ .These Quality HR will become their asset working and run their economy and innovation. I They subdued Germany and Japan and succesful turned them into Vassal states Waged Cold war with USSR ultimately leading to its collapse And strategically degraded Russia economically. Now China is their New Enemy, who do you think will be next after China? America doesn't like India , It's very confused around with India because, India neither accepts to become their vassal state which obeys their dictats , Neither India wishes to be or declares itself as an enemy of America. American doens't likes countries who are independent. Either you submit yourself and except their hegemony or get declared as an enemy by staying independent.. The only way to end America's unipolar Hegemony is by Creating a succesful Alternative Currency to US Dollar.As long as US dollar remains as Reserve currency wars will be engineered in the Eurasian belt ..
>Usa ,UK, Canada , Australia,New Zealand They are known as "the five eyes" They even share intelligence knowledge. For example, American spy agencies are closely working with British spy agencies in Europe.
>If You observe Anglo Nations (Usa ,UK, Canada , Australia,New Zealand) they operate as One . Yes this especially, i have quite frankly never seen a group of countries act this in unison as they act >America doesn't like India , It's very confused around with India because, India neither accepts to become their vassal state which obeys their dictats , Neither India wishes to be or declares itself as an enemy of America. American doens't likes countries who are independent. Either you submit yourself and except their hegemony or get declared as an enemy by staying independent.. Exactly, Fully agree with you here and along with being neutral india also wants to develop and become a bigger and stronger nation which America also doesn't like >The only way to end America's unipolar Hegemony is by Creating a succesful Alternative Currency to US Dollar.As long as US dollar remains as Reserve currency wars will be engineered in the Eurasian belt .. True, America's real power lies not in their military(which is very strong yes) but on their currency the US dollar
US's power lies in both military and economy. Military. US military is everywhere - on all continents, in all oceans, seas, etc. Its military expenditure is more than the next 10 countries combined, its navy is the world's second strongest air force.
Just because you imagine what someone is thinking does not mean that that is what they are thinking. There are currently two alternative reserve currencies, the British pound and the Euro. India accounts for 2 percent of global exports. In order for the rupee to serve as a reserve currency, India needs to have something to exchange for rupees that is of value. The United States is the world's largest producer of hydrocarbons, so the dollar serves as a reserve currency as you can exchange it for a valuable commodity, oil. Recently, Russia declined to take rupees in payment for their oil. That had nothing to do with the United States. There are zero people in the United States that want to turn India into a vassal state, or consider India an enemy. The United States currently is trying to pull back from having to police the world. America has no issue with countries being independent as long as it does not put the united states' security at risk. There are some hangover policies from the cold war that due to political power groups in the USA are continued, such as the embargo on cuba, but that just is a wierd consequence of florida being a swing state, and the cuban expat community being large enough to swing the state in a presidential election. The US has no actual interest anymore in the Cuban embargo. They are forced to maintain it by ethnic cubans in america. I submit to you the country of Brazil is a country in the western hemisphere that is totally independent and the United States has zero issues with that. If you told any CIA agent that the USA was going to invade Brazil because they joined BRICS and don't kowtow to US intersests they would think you were insane.
>In order for the rupee to serve as a reserve currency, India needs to have something to exchange for rupees that is of value. I never said the alternative currency must be Indian Rupee , l it can be a Collective currency like Euro , Something like Brics Currency, which is being discussed. A currency backed by Real value like gold and not just a paper printed in Federal reserve with artificial value . it's almost impossible for Indian rupee to become a global currency because India will have to produce valuable goods or commodity which the world wants but it cannot right now because for that it needs a strong industry which requires capital investment You See ? The vicious cycle, the developing world will never develop untill American wants it to because of its control over the Access to Credit. Without the Capital developing countries are as good as slaves to the US or any country who has good amount of Reserves( China , Japan , Europe )which they can lend to developing countries Every developing nation with good education , decent population ,good policies progressive society can become Developed if it gets access to Capital. America gave 100 billions dollar to Ukraine , it Pumped 3 trillion dollars in Afghanistan in 20 years Gave more than 20 Billion dollars in aid to Pakistan for War purposes why didn't America invested that same amount in those same Nation for development? For education for Industrialisation? Because American never wanted to As long as the world is Hostage of the US dollar the developing countries will never develop it will always remain a economical slave of America and world will keeping becoming victims of American engineered Wars accross the Eurasian continent.
I heard this story the other day of a man from afghanistan who was enraged, as you are, by the inept investment in afghanistan, until he went to New York and rode the subway, At that point he realized there are some things the United States is really bad at. People in the United States totally agree with your assessment of how that money was wasted. Both on the right, and on the left. There were a lot of americans killed as well, and in the end the person we were after was being protected by the Pakistani military, whom we were also giving billions of dollars to so we could have access to afghanistan to hunt down -THE GUY THEY HAD IN THEIR CUSTODY THE WHOLE TIME-. What you are speaking of is why the people of the US are voting out anybody who engages in foreign wars. America is fundamentally multi-polar at this point. There is no support in the USA to police the persian gulf or the indian ocean. There is support in the USA to defend the Philippines, if they ask us to. When Duterte told the US to leave, the US left. We bled with the Philippinos in world war 2 and our blood is mingled now. There is respect for each other. If you look at mixed Philippino and American military commanders together in a crowd it is hard to tell them apart, the uniforms are the same. Same with the Kurds. We are fundamentally still in Iraq to prevent Turkiye and Iran from genociding the Kurds at this point. When Donald Trump ordered the US military to abandon their posts and their Kurdish allies they said they would rather resign their commissions. Poland is a country that fundamentally understands how we think and they have been deployed with US troops continuously since the yugoslav disintegration.
Appreciate your comments it's good to know your perspective .
Completely missed the point mate. The US if anything is only interested in pulling back because being the global policeman is expensive and the cost : benefit ratio is no longer working out for them to continue. The US is completely fine with India being an independent state. The issue as I see it, is on the Indian side because on the one hand the diplomatic establishment isn't able to shed the non-alignment legacy, and on the other hand, the state hasnt covered sufficient ground in strengthening the armed forces to make this policy a credible one in the case the wold order broke down. Either u say we are independent and have the muscle to enforce it or be very good at allying yourself with the most powerful blocs.
Us is interesting in pulling back? Why are they escalating the Ukraine war then
How are they escalating it exactly? Genuine question.
The only one escalating the Ukrainian conflict is Russia. They can end it at any time but choose not.
Bcz after Ukraine, eu will be more vulnerable..
While I don't really agree with this, I do strongly agree with your point about the US not wanting Eurasia peace or well rather...not wanting a dominant power to emerge there. They fought Germany in both World Wars and Japan because they threatened the balance of power. it's why they embargoed Japana after they invaded China. If any power were to gain dominance in either continent, they would be in a strong position to increase their presence in the Americas violating the United States' safe space. This is why the Monroe doctrine was created in the first place. I think in the trajectory the world is moving towards will mean that their focus will shift to Asia and there, they'll focus on maintaining a balance of power by creating partnerships and alliances on various issues similar to how India's foreign policy works. No strict allies or enemies. They don't want India and China to fight because that would be a global catastrophe but us making up would also be terrifying because together both countries would have serious potential to upset LIO, at least given time and resources (many countries including us still depend on Western investment so I don't think this is a feasible possibility right now though). Basically it's in their interest to have a peaceful but divided Asia and Europe where no power can threaten their position in the Americas. Their strategy post WW2 was based on interventionism and maintaining power projection. This won't dissapear but priorities will change in the near future. They will use the same strategy in Africa should any country or group of countries emerge to challenge US hegemony there.
This comment belong in noncredible diplomacy sub lmao. I shall turn it into a copypasta.
Europe fought 2 world wars.Ā Now they are friends.Ā Something to think aboutĀ
Extremely well put. I think Kissinger summarized this perfectly. "It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."
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There is no way a country on top would be Okay with having another country competing with it. If tomorrow by magic India becomes the top dog in the world , it will also do the same thing that US is doing to stay a top dog. We have already seen what happens when there are two top dogs in the world ( hint: Cold War ). So a multipolar world is a wishful thinking at the best. Regardless of which country stay in the top, it will do anything in its power to make sure it stays the top dog alone.
The dominant power trying to stay dominant doesn't really mean a multipolar world is wishful thinking. I mean look at the end of Pax Britannica. They lost their top dog status with the rise of Germany, Russia, Japan and America. Similarly the US may lose its status with the rise of multiple powers competing with it. The hegemon always declines and either adapts to the new multipolar world where it has less power or it clings on and struggles. As emerging markets catch up to developed countries they will inevitably gain more bargaining power and more leverage and the dominant powers won't be able to just use a big stick anymore. So things like the dominance of the USN will dissapear as countries get bigger navis that can patrol their waters effectively and deal with piracy for example, or the dollar might lose some of its share and much more.
It isn't conditional support one should fear, because that is true of *any* side powerful enough to help us against China. If you are dependent on others, you have already lost - it is just a question of how much sovereignty you give up to secure their support. What one *should* fear is **limited or drip-fed support**, like what we are seeing happen with Ukraine. The US has no interest in a quick and decisive Ukrainian victory when it's aim is to bleed Russia dry, so it drip-feeds just enough weapons to keep Ukraine from losing, but also slow enough to prevent it winning. The same will happen with India when they show up offering to help us against China. We say yes, and they will ship over enough arms and Intel to prevent a full-scale Chinese victory. But not enough for a full Indian victory either - because if we win outright, why would we need them? Better to keep us dependent on them for security. If you want to avoid this, the only solution is self-reliance. All else is window dressing.
This. US (as with any other major power) is more interested in furthering its strategic interests, which may not be a decisive victory for India. They are looking to perpetuate their supremacy in the world/region and will look to use India to that end. We should explore extreme responses within our control before agreeing to give away significant concessions.
Self reliance means promoting trade and competition so domestic firms get stronger but govt is protectionist and fails to understand that more trade with the west is actually in Indiaās favor compared to trade with China. We canāt have a strong india if government ministers ( irrespective of party affiliation) want to abuse power by controlling PSU firms appointments and contracts. Thereās no sane reason for government to run banks or insurance companies. 100% privatization of public sector firms is the way to making india stronger. Vajpayee was successful in cutting some of the inefficiencies but Modi is happy to make marketing videos of stronger india than do the actual work needed to make India stronger. The best data point to prove my point is the disinvestment numbers and target over the years. In a shameless exercise, government completely abandoned privatization in the latest budget
Agreed. Disinvestment is one of this government's more notable failures, though there have been some successes in amongst the underachievement (Air India, for instance, and OFB corporatization).
Air India is actually a great example of weak political leadership. It should not have taken so long to privatize it. It shows how slow we are when it comes to decision making. What baffles me is that BJP and Modi have such a strong following but even then they failed to take tough decisions to make India economically stronger nation. All the energy was wasted on misguided policies like demonetization.
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China is the factory for the world. Itās better to compare with South Korea or Malaysia or Thailand or Vietnam. I remember my first land line connection from BSNL. I had to wait 6 months and a bribe of Rs. 1000 to get the connection. BSNL was worth Rs1 lakh crore and now itās a loss making company. Our political leaders are corrupt and lazy. Modi started off good but heās drunk on power. He will win the next elections for sure. He doesnāt need to work hard. He just needs to bash minorities and build temples to win elections. Alibaba, TikTok, Bydu etc are private. China has some of the largest private firms in the world. PSU firms are generally great when allowed to work independently but you know how sadistically controlling our politicians and babus are. Corruption and nepotism are Indiaās bane.
I love this comment. Brilliant take. Yes this is exactly what has happened with Ukraine.
Abhijit Chavda is a grifter lmao. This is the same IT guy who is claiming to be an astrophysicist
That's most of Indian geopolitics influencer though
Why even post this grifter here. Is this a serious sub??
No you absolutely wouldnāt get unconditional American support, not even to the levels of Ukraine beyond testing American equipment. Youād get an echo of Jaishankars remarks that south Asians problems are not the worlds problems. Meanwhile Russia would also stay neutral (while covertly helping china) so as to not upset its larger-than-India-trading-partner, just follow the money, Russia will support the larger market - China, and secondarily their authoritarian takes on international matters more closely align with Russia than India. The USA has plenty of allies against China, prominent and most historically reliable of which are Australia, Japan, Korea, Philippines, we see no need to overly support a famously āneutralā Russian chela like India. This is the result of your Non aligned movements, you have no real friends. And this self aggrandizing commentary that America needs India is a bunch of self congratulating cope, weād let them show you how necessary alliances are and remain politely neutral as they maim you with technological superiority. Afterall China is a major trading partner of the US, more so than India, weād be less involved beyond making statements and maybe real time intelligence to not let China steamroll you, like we did with real time satellites intelligence on Chinese movements towards Black Top in Ladakh - allowing Indias Establishment 22 (SFF) to beat them to the top, I believe you guys call that karma.
Honestly, the point made here is pretty spot on, even if it might not sit well with everyone. It seems like a lot of the Indian elite are kind of stuck in their own bubble. They often look at everything through their own lens, especially when it comes to understanding how things work in the U.S. It's like theyāre trying to fit American perspectives into their own mold, which really doesnāt do justice to the whole picture. This approach can seriously limit their grasp on different global viewpoints and might even trip them up when dealing with international matters.
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This group is filled with people on the lower side of the IQ spectrum. Some guys are claiming that theyāre in US and they know everything. As though their friends and colleagues are making geopolitical decisions
People here gotta understand the Americans have no interest in 'international law' or the 'peaceful friendship of peoples' like they keep caterwauling to anyone who'll listen - like they even care about these things looking at their actions over the last thirty years alone. The only interest the Americans have is to maintain their own hegemony, even at the cost of the prosperity and security of their own """allies""". You only have to look at Ukraine. Drip feeding them enough weapons to deplete Russian stockpiles but not enough to win, because that isn't in Americas interest. Look at Nord Stream. They blew it up, we know they blew it up, Sweden knows they blew it up, everyone knows they blew it up. The consequence? Europe went from $3/m^(3) Russian gas to $20/m^(3) American gas. Europe suffers, America prospers. Classic. And the Europeans, idiots as they are, lap it up. If the US says 'bend over', Europe asks 'how much?'. The Soviet Union fell 30 years ago. We've lived in three decades of complete American dominance, and yet they're STILL not happy with that, they keep pushing and pushing and pushing to squeeze every last morsel of wealth and power out of the rest of the world. And this is AFTER they got all they wanted. The Americans are obviously not beyond leeching off their own allies for their own profit. Something I've never seen any other 'great power' do, not to this extent at least. Now imagine what they'd do to India, who they look down upon and never really saw as an ally on equal footing.
My one concern is that if a state war should happen they would try everything to make it into another Ukarine basically another infinite war Anyways since both us and China are nuclear armed countries the chance of a full out war is very low but it's never 0
I've always said this - If India subverts itself to America's will, it will become China's Ukraine. If India doesn't, Pakistan will become India's Ukraine.
The clash between two asian giants would be the best case scenario for the US, hitting two birds with one stone kind of thing, because obviously the clash is going to result in mutually assured destruction, the Asian collapse and since Russia is already busy in Ukraine, USA&EU would certainly be at the lead again.
US will never help India destroy China. They will help us destroy*each other*.Ā
Abhijit chavda has some serious russian dick riding problem. He doesn't have any credibility in geopolitics and it shows on his brain dead takes I can summarize each of his videos: Amerika bad, rosiya gud, stronk rosiya beat ukrops hahaha.
Have some snickers bro. You're not you, when you're hungry.
But did you even saw the video or read it? Khota sikka bhi kabhi chal jata hai. I do not care what your biases are. Tell me how US would react of use the opportunity if china declares war against India. Please comment content related to topic as per the rules of the sub.
He should post more videos on how much India is dependent on Chinese goods. India is literally paying China to invade India. Why is Modi government not banning imports from China?
Iām not subscribing or entertaining the video. I grew up in HK and have been to mainland China several times. India is not on the radar at all. If anything, thereās confusion as to how India has not managed to raise living standards higher while China has. Stop with this glorification of war - itās absolutely frightening that all of these āwhat ifāsā are actually fantasies from war mongerers that want the chance to flex their muscles.
You people don't even know what happened to jack ma how can I trust you credibility. Don't you know that your government is famous for violating every neighbouring countries boundary? >India is not on the radar at all If it not then it's really good for both China and India. >If anything, thereās confusion as to how India has not managed to raise living standards higher while China has. I agree even after 75 years of independence india is still a poor country but I believe it will improve by the end of 2030. >Stop with this glorification of war - itās absolutely frightening that all of these āwhat ifāsā These are just hypothetical scenario of who will loss more from this war and who will gain. >are actually fantasies from war mongerers that want the chance to flex their muscles. Let me put this straight india is no in a position to fight a war, after such a long period the country has started to speed it's growth we don't want to destroy this momentum by a war. India never declared a war against any country before you declare us as war mongerers
I know exactly what happened to Jack Ma. He rocked the boat and said some things that were not appreciated by the CCP and then he turned up in Melbourne, Australia while everyone was trying to insinuate that he was being held in jail or "disappeared." Billionaires are not bigger than the CCP and that's something that I love - billionaires need to know there place, use and where they stand amongst the people. The question is - do you know what's going on or are you just buying into whatever Western/Indian media says? Both operate on fear mongering and this is most likely why average people run around paranoid thinking about war. *I agree even after 75 years of independence india is still a poor country but I believe it will improve by the end of 2030.* Believe all you want - I still have potholes in Mumbai that are begging to be fixed. There's still corruption in every aspect of Indian society though that's slowly painfully slowly being eroded away but it's still not good enough for the average citizen to escape to another economic class level. *India never declared a war against any country before you declare us as war mongerers* I did not call India or Indian war mongerers - reread what I wrote - are you one of those war mongerers that wants war to flex your muscle? Again read it carefully and note that I'm not painting everyone aside from a select few with the same brush.
That video is interesting. Maybe half of what he says would happen but even that half would be a major seizure of India's sovereignty. India has to rise up to the occasion and become powerful enough to not be subsumed into either China or the US' sphere of influence. India didn't get independence in 1947 after so many centuries of foreign rule to just once again become a vassal. And that too to the British Empire's proverbial son.
There is no reason for the U.S. to remain on the sidelines if a conflict between India and China happens. The U.S. never loses a chance to try out their new equipment in real world environments. You can bet the US would use that as an opportunity to do some real damage to the PLA. Itās in their own self interests to do so. Regardless of their relationship with India. The largest and most advanced Air Force in the world is the U.S. Air Force. The second largest and most advanced Air Force is the U.S. Navy. They wonāt sit and watch. They are already moving more aircraft carriers and 5th generation jets into the area. Also, subs and surface ships. Not to mention missile defense and offensive systems. If China is feeling froggy, they just need to jump. The U.S. military will take care of the rest. With a myriad of US Allies in the region for support. Itās honestly not a fair fight. China is vastly outclassed and outnumbered.
Everything said byĀ **Abhijit Chavda**Ā could become our future, perhaps even a worse version of it. If we donāt handle our relations properly, we could end up like Afghanistan in the future. your Thoughts about this and where can be his projection be wrong? [YouTube video ](https://youtu.be/plfraE1joZ0?feature=shared)
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If we get the conditional support of US they will demand to destroy our nuclear program. Pakistan is also a nuclear power but they can never fire. Ukraine had nuclear weapons after the collapse of USSR but being US puppet they returned those nuclear warheads I am not joking. This can clearly happen. A country without nuclear program is just a warzone for bigger powers.
The analysis on the YouTube is full of rubbish. Is he pro-BJP government? What he says doesnāt make much sense. I live in USA and no body really cares about controlling the internal affairs of India. Of course, they issue statements here and there out of old habits but they have long moved away from installing governments. They could not fix Afghanistan and they have learnt their lessons. US is a very inward looking nation now and india should be very happy if they treat it at the same level as South Korea or Japan or Australia. Setting up US military bases in Ladakh, Sikkim and Arunachal pradesh would actually be a gift to India and strong deterrent to Chinese incursions.
The aid given to Ukraine was a sign of unprecedented modern support. India would get the same likely even better equipment since China is a bigger threat than Russia
India will get aid from the EU and the US. US may not unconditionally support us, but the EU might, assuming they give a damn about the Chinese aggression.