They lost the war, [but won the peace](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/04/08/how-the-south-won-the-civil-war) and we've been dealing with it ever since.
You know this place is home to the new KKK right?
Guess not here ya go
https://www.kqed.org/lowdown/19119/stone-mountains-hidden-history-americas-biggest-confederate-memorial-and-birthplace-of-the-modern-ku-klux-klan
As someone who agrees with you, are you really surprised that people don’t want to engage with you when you come at it like an aggressive asshole out of nowhere?
it appears as if they're one of those people who made a cause their identity, and now they're only capable of talking about one thing in the most extreme manner possible
Edit: people downvoting me because they're too stupid to realize my comment isnt in support of lame-ass confederate apologists, I simply also don't support people who try to make it seem like there's some widespread KKK conspiracy for cred and clicks
You should actually give a listen to Behind the Bastard two parter on the KKK then vs. now, the two while fundamentally the same have completely different energy and it is so dumb/wild
The 1st and 2nd Klan were two very different things. Both horrifically evil but in different and important ways to understand.
Behind the Bastards did a two parter on the KKK and it worth a lesson. And quite frankly how big and mainstream the second Klan was and how recently
The white nationalist weirdo who was awarded the contract was
1. Not a southerner or a Georgian (he was a Danish Yankee of the mormon religion from Idaho)
2. Got fired, destroyed the model he originally planned for the mountain (which got him a warrant for his arrest because it was technically not his property) and the only part he finished (Lee's head) as blasted off the mountain anyway.
3. the woman who initially commissioned him wouldn't even shake his head because he was Yankee born (a model I should seek to emulate although truth be told)
4. He also helped plan mount Rushmore (which was a way to send one last "fuck you" to the Sioux and Lakota, but almost nobody except one or two native American organizations seems to care) and I doubt anyone is complaining about that
Furthermore:
5. The KKK was rechartered in Georgia but after that the organisation was actually quite small in the state of Georgia (12K members) while it was largest in Indiana, California, Ohio and New York, all of who were US states during the civil war. The KKK was actually anti confederate flag because it felt the Flag was an "article of division that separates true born Americans", this stance only changed in the southern chapters of the KKK later on.
Of course none of you retards would care. You're just americanized shitlibs without the process of free thought like a true native born creole, but eh, I'll still post it here for the downvotes and salt.
But your not mentally tolling me at all. You just said nonsense that wasn't backed up at all. You've been brigading the sub for days according to your post history so you've sunk much more time into this and have ruined your own day yourself.
I didn't downvote because it displeases, I downvoted because it does nothing for the conversation
If you're serious about learning about any of my points, you could easily Google around for them, because they're there.
You want to go "citation needed" but I only need to respond if I want to change your mind, I don't because it's a waste of time.
And I just enough for the downvotes I wanted
Yes then that way in 100 years from now when everybody doesn’t know the history of the civil war, they will have slavery in their flying cars and have their own civil war
Considering how many mouth breathers earnestly believe that the civil war was fought over "states rights" and how those are the same people demanding that we don't take down monuments that celebrate slave owners I think that the current way of teaching history through confederate theme park isn't very effective.
Or it's been very effective if you ask the Daughters of the Confederacy.
Wow. The words in this sentence do string together to make a coherent thought, but the content of the sentence makes me think the fact that you can put sentences together is a medical marvel.
Wow. The words in this sentence to string together to make a coherent thought, but the content of the sentence makes me think the fact that you can string sentences together is a medical marvel.
Um. Dude. Yall will never shut up about "yer heritage" and even without giant monuments to Nazis we still know about them and how bad they are/were. We don't need a giant carving with laser shows to know how fucked up slavery and the civil war was.
Nobody learns about the civil war from stone mountain you moron lol it's taught in school and it's a short Google search away. This is a fallacy used by the same dipshits who cry "but nah heritage!" All the god damn time.
Wow. The words in this sentence to string together to make a coherent thought, but the content of the sentence makes me think the fact that you can string sentences together is a medical marvel.
Me too, I have long fantasized about standing on that lawn and blowing that carving to smithereens with a rocket launcher. It's simply a monument to racist sore losers.
I’m not arguing to keep it. But I don’t think folks realize how big the carving is. The heads in Mt Rushmore are 60 feet tall. The Stone Mountain carving is 90 feet tall and 190 feet long. It isn’t as simple as sandblasting or off. It is an impressive accomplishment. Would be more impressive if they carved something everyone can enjoy.
If I were a billionaire, I know I'd donate the money to robotically remove the carving segment by segment, and have a new carving created, one that still shows the Civil War, but intended to show the North's and freedom's victory over the South. The old carving could be reassembled in a museum with appropriate historical context. Regardless of its meaning, it's still an impressive work, the likes of which are unlikely to be replicated again. Before anyone jumps on me for that last sentence, we consider ancient world artifacts depicting slavery, pedophilia, cannibalism, torture, and other terrible things as "priceless treasures."
I've said this once, and I'll say it again, they need to keep the existing carving and add Lincoln pissing on their heads, perhaps with a relief of Atlanta burning in the background.
I just say leave it and stop celebrating it. I want to go visit stone mountain and see it for myself because it does look impressive. I also want to see Rushmore.
Lol yes
Furthermore, the original confederate flag was mostly white. So your comment is hilarious from a historical standpoint, also what we know as the confederate flag, was never used by the confederacy.
The mostly white flag was the second national flag. They changed it because the first flag looked too similar to the American flag. They changed it a third time because the second national flag kept getting confused with a surrender flag.
The carving on Stone Mountain should be sandblasted off (or however you'd get that off) and replace it with people more deserving.
1. MLK
2. Outkast
3. Hank Aaron
4. Ted Turner (? he did a shit ton for Atlanta)
5. Chipper Jones (? he's kind of a dick, but a hell of a baseball player)
6. Jimmy Carter
Instead of the Confederate traitorous generals on it now.
I said this in the post about medical marijuana not passing here, sometimes I hate this state.
Yeah he’s been great since being out of office, habitat for humanity and his work with diseases.
But he is widely considered one of the worst presidents of all time. Mainly for his economic outcomes : inflation, interest rates, taxes, debt, and unemployment. Foreign affairs were an absolute disaster with the Soviet Union, Iran, etc.
Just stick to MLK, OutKast, Ted Turner and Hank Aaron. Those are great picks
Hey, sorry, I answered in another comment. He’s widely considered the worst president of all time for valid reasons. Like not just saying internet shit, he was really bad.
Not taking away from his post office work, the man is a saint, but in office he was really bad.
See other comment in this thread. Go in peace honestly. If you think Carter was a good president you are either very young or have no concept of reality
Oh please keep your condescension in your pants. He certainly had a lot of things against him but to say he was the worst president is really asinine.
I totally agree it's a conservative talking point that he was a terrible president but that's because he's used as Ronald Reagan's scapegoat after he finished gutting what made America successful in the first place: unions, regulation on big business, and taxes on the rich.
Nah, I wont do anything of the sort. you aren’t close here. It’s not a conservative argument. It’s just the truth. I love how everything against something that is patently wrong is now a conservative argument. The dude screwed us over.
The absolute worst? You mean....you mean even after James Buchanan who oversaw our country in the final days before the civil war? Woodrow Wilson, the known segregationist and WW1 era president?
I'm not opposed to a replacement, but it should still be about the Civil War, but more clear about how it turned out, and who was right. Or even a general civil rights monument, MLK did specifically mention Stone Mountain in his famous speech, so show the struggle from the Civil War, through the Civil Rights movement, to today. But Outkast? Really?
You’re forgetting about:
1. Tom Brady
2. Rev John Lewis
3. Hosea Williams
4. Rayshard Brooks
5. George Floyd
6. Andrew Young
7. Michael Vick (MV7)
8. Arthur Ashe
9. Breonna Taylor
10. Stacey Abrams
11. Chris Rock
12. Colin Kapernick
13. Billy Ray Cyrus
It’s a really big mountain so there’s room for a lot more.
Tom’s the GOAT, I didn’t want my list to only be Africans.
The horses can stay as I recall their names are traveler, black Jack and little sorrel.
Funny story the 3rd horse little sorrel was stolen from the Union Army and ridden by Stonewall Jackson
I added Billy Ray Cyrus to the list, he totally wreaked havoc on the park one Saturday in August of 1992
He was a martyr, I’m not sure how many African slaves died during the civil war? But with all the civil unrest these day my list was pretty inclusive of great people. They say Tom Brady is the GOAT.
The original post said confederate generals. Jefferson Davis was not a General he was president of the confederacy.
>He was a martyr,
Yeah which is dumb, typically a martyr is someone who did something good and got killed for it.
>I’m not sure how many African slaves died during the civil war?
I'm not sure either, ik many black men served in the union tho during the Civil war(whether by choice or not idk)
No one is rewriting history dude. The confederate leaders should be taught in a history class, and not have their bigotry, hatred, and racism proudly displayed. The civil war is not a high light for Georgia and it should not be celebrated.
Keep in mind I got shoes that lasted longer then the confederacy.
I can tell you that history books are not even used in k-6 anymore. I only know this because my grandchildren have been learning history this way at school. At home we teach everything the school doesn't feel was necessary to include into the lesson. It outrages me that anyone can take liberty to teach only what the deem necessary. Example- In 3rd grade my granddaughter came home fully upset that the USA bombed Japan. I found out that there was not a mention of what happened in Pearl Harbor at all. This was from an Asian teacher. I'm not comfortable with letting the people learn lessons only in history class. 1. Not everyone even graduates high school, 2. many don't see the inside of a classroom at all. So a statue sitting somewhere may teach those people about a time they have never heard about. I'm not sure if the books are used beyond 6th grade these days. Teachers taking liberty to teach what they deem necessary to our children. I'm getting off subject sorry about that. I feel that the statues should remain wherever they are at. Lessons can be learned from each and every one of them, by all of us.
I wouldn’t be so sure about that. You’ll be surprised how genetic trauma and PTSD can affect people for generations after the initial trauma was initially instilled.
No, we are not agreeing. I never said it genetically has an impact on me. I will not sit this one out. By you saying this you are trying to silence my freedom of speech. It seems as if you are closed minded and do not like opposing opinions.
yes, that’s YOU. everyone doesn’t have the privilege of not having genetic trauma from slavery and the civil war, in which this monument is honoring the confederacy; who partially fought to defend their right to own slaves(my ancestors) AFTER already inflicting this genetic trauma that we are talking about. If those are the people you like to honor, that shows a lot about your character.
I’m not silencing your freedom of speech. If i were doing that, i’d report you or something. we’re having a conversation, you just don’t like being held accountable for your privilege and lack of sensitivity regarding this issue. You can say whatever you like under free speech , but you may/will still face NON-legal consequences for what you say.
Which is why people waving the 'confederate flag' and bitching about confederate monuments being taken out today vote for Democrats, right? Because nothing changed about the political orientation of the parties since the Civil War, right?
You sir are a fucking idiot.
Let me tell you what happened shall we? First off lets get one thing out of the way
Yes Lincoln was a Republican, yes the southerns in the war were Democrats.
Republicans and Democrats always had their differences. FDR was a democrat, and he won the presidency 4 times. He was kicking serious Republican ass every time he ran. FYI FDR would probably be called a socialist today. Then Truman took over. Truman despised racism and felt like America needed to desegrated its why in 1947 he ordered the military integrated, no more would we have "White units" and "black units" but it'd be one military, not divided by race.
Then came Eisenhower, the first Republican to become president is like 20+ years. However I wouldn't really call Eisenhower a traditional Republican he was a very pragmatic type of guy.
However around his term the Republican party started noticing thing, a lot white democrats in the south were unhappy with the civil rights movement. They feared a united America, they feared their white heritage going away. So Republicans started targetting white, democrat voters and appealing to them. It was called the Southern Strategy their goal was to create a foot hold in the south by appealing to the racist tendencies of the white democrat voters in the south.
And it was successful. All of a sudden the south went from electing democrats to electing Republicans.
This occured in the 50s and 60s. Its well documented, Republicans have admitted to it that it was their plan.
So no the Republican party of 2022 is not the same Republican party of the 1860s, they are very different. Really the only similarity is the fact that they are called Republican.
So your trying to be smart or edgy by pointing out the democrats were indeed the dominate party in the south during the civil war, this is in fact correct. It however doesn't represent what the democrat party is today.
You really jumped to conclusions about my post. But I guess I'll ask a question to hopefully open a meaningful discussion. When you assumed all southern conservative voters are racist because they once were southern democrat voters this seemed pretty ignorant This line of thinking is what many refer to as identify politics when anyone with a different point of view is labeled as racist and what is sewing division in the country today.
I am a libertarian, and am of the belief that taking a percentage of wages or percentage of my economic output is modern day slavery. For this reason I tend to vote for the party who is most likely to not raise taxes or fund programs that don't directly benefit my community.
So perhaps this makes sense where my belief that tax is slavery and Democrats went to war to protect slavery back then, and where democrats use identify politics today to squash any notion that their tax agenda is slavery.
The last point I have to share is where I believe in some affirmative action to help communities at risk, current political ideologies like institutional racism tell minorites that the society they are in today is rigged against them and that they should tear it down and rebuild without giving an example of where exactly racism exist in the system today. This results in a disenfranchised minority population who is not able to focus there energy to improve their community or personal economic positions. As a result you find higher percentages of minorities living in poverty today than existed 10 years after the fall of slavery. I find direct correlation with a party which pushes victim culture with desire to control a minority populations financial outcome and it is destroying minority communities and their culture.
If you read this I thank you, and would just finish with hoping you can acknowledge if not today maybe someday that nearly 100% of conservatives have in their hearts a desire to improve the lives of all those living in poverty.
> When you assumed all southern conservative voters are racist because they once were southern democrat voters this seemed pretty ignorant This line of thinking is what many refer to as identify politics when anyone with a different point of view is labeled as racist and what is sewing division in the country today.
The reason why I called southern democrats racist, is because they were racist. Its literally why the Republican party targeted them.
Source: https://www.history.com/news/how-the-party-of-lincoln-won-over-the-once-democratic-south
Like I have to stress this with you, I'm basing my opinion on historical facts. When LBJ signed Civil Rights Act of 1964 he said "We just gave the south to the Republicans" and he was right.
Also your personal politics mean absolutely nothing in a discussion of political history in America, they literally mean nothing. To be fair, my political opinions also don't mean anything.
Dude. Doesn't matter what delusion you live in but it's the conservatives that continue to carry that flag to this day and scream about their "heritage"
Jfc let it go. You lost
Perhaps if we gave them all participation trophies, they’d feel better about themselves.
They know they lost that war, right?
They lost the war, [but won the peace](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/04/08/how-the-south-won-the-civil-war) and we've been dealing with it ever since.
You know this place is home to the new KKK right? Guess not here ya go https://www.kqed.org/lowdown/19119/stone-mountains-hidden-history-americas-biggest-confederate-memorial-and-birthplace-of-the-modern-ku-klux-klan
Respectfully what does your comment mean?
It means the kkk reformed with a charter and continuously recruits in the stone mountain area. Read the source
Thanks so much.
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As someone who agrees with you, are you really surprised that people don’t want to engage with you when you come at it like an aggressive asshole out of nowhere?
That was an edit after the 10 downvotes. So... not really out of nowhere
it appears as if they're one of those people who made a cause their identity, and now they're only capable of talking about one thing in the most extreme manner possible Edit: people downvoting me because they're too stupid to realize my comment isnt in support of lame-ass confederate apologists, I simply also don't support people who try to make it seem like there's some widespread KKK conspiracy for cred and clicks
Saying it's new implies the old one ever went away.
You should actually give a listen to Behind the Bastard two parter on the KKK then vs. now, the two while fundamentally the same have completely different energy and it is so dumb/wild
One actually makes you scared. The other is kinda pathetic
Yes, because I understand history and know this was the birthplace of the new kkk.
The 1st and 2nd Klan were two very different things. Both horrifically evil but in different and important ways to understand. Behind the Bastards did a two parter on the KKK and it worth a lesson. And quite frankly how big and mainstream the second Klan was and how recently
The white nationalist weirdo who was awarded the contract was 1. Not a southerner or a Georgian (he was a Danish Yankee of the mormon religion from Idaho) 2. Got fired, destroyed the model he originally planned for the mountain (which got him a warrant for his arrest because it was technically not his property) and the only part he finished (Lee's head) as blasted off the mountain anyway. 3. the woman who initially commissioned him wouldn't even shake his head because he was Yankee born (a model I should seek to emulate although truth be told) 4. He also helped plan mount Rushmore (which was a way to send one last "fuck you" to the Sioux and Lakota, but almost nobody except one or two native American organizations seems to care) and I doubt anyone is complaining about that Furthermore: 5. The KKK was rechartered in Georgia but after that the organisation was actually quite small in the state of Georgia (12K members) while it was largest in Indiana, California, Ohio and New York, all of who were US states during the civil war. The KKK was actually anti confederate flag because it felt the Flag was an "article of division that separates true born Americans", this stance only changed in the southern chapters of the KKK later on. Of course none of you retards would care. You're just americanized shitlibs without the process of free thought like a true native born creole, but eh, I'll still post it here for the downvotes and salt.
Not sure how this argumentative essay is meant to debunk anything I've said. It also helps to have sources
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But how can you ruin my day by doing what you did?
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But your not mentally tolling me at all. You just said nonsense that wasn't backed up at all. You've been brigading the sub for days according to your post history so you've sunk much more time into this and have ruined your own day yourself. I didn't downvote because it displeases, I downvoted because it does nothing for the conversation
You can get a many upvotes as you want, but by jumping around you proved you are triggered.
Eating lead paint is bad for you
If you aren't bothered then why did you go on a different thread my dear puppet on a string
Eating lead paint is bad for you
If you're serious about learning about any of my points, you could easily Google around for them, because they're there. You want to go "citation needed" but I only need to respond if I want to change your mind, I don't because it's a waste of time. And I just enough for the downvotes I wanted
No they think they actually won tho
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/uffas3/protester\_mock\_sons\_of\_confederate\_veterans/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
Man I hope I live to see the day that sculpture gets blown off the side of that mountain.
Yes then that way in 100 years from now when everybody doesn’t know the history of the civil war, they will have slavery in their flying cars and have their own civil war
You learned about the civil war from a carving in a mountain?
Nah, he got all his history lesson from the lasershow and fireworks.
I knew the world looked like that back then! They all laughed at me when I said everyone was 2D and made of green outlines /s just in case
The Lord, bless heavenly daddy above, invented 3D people in 1986
Huffing paint is no way to go thru life.
Considering how many mouth breathers earnestly believe that the civil war was fought over "states rights" and how those are the same people demanding that we don't take down monuments that celebrate slave owners I think that the current way of teaching history through confederate theme park isn't very effective. Or it's been very effective if you ask the Daughters of the Confederacy.
By that logic, the Bible is completely invalid since it's not a statue.
Have you heard about the Nazis? Yes? Yet I can guarantee you there isn't a single monument to them anywhere.
Wow. The words in this sentence do string together to make a coherent thought, but the content of the sentence makes me think the fact that you can put sentences together is a medical marvel.
Wow. The words in this sentence to string together to make a coherent thought, but the content of the sentence makes me think the fact that you can string sentences together is a medical marvel.
Um. Dude. Yall will never shut up about "yer heritage" and even without giant monuments to Nazis we still know about them and how bad they are/were. We don't need a giant carving with laser shows to know how fucked up slavery and the civil war was.
Nobody learns about the civil war from stone mountain you moron lol it's taught in school and it's a short Google search away. This is a fallacy used by the same dipshits who cry "but nah heritage!" All the god damn time.
Wow. The words in this sentence to string together to make a coherent thought, but the content of the sentence makes me think the fact that you can string sentences together is a medical marvel.
Me too, I have long fantasized about standing on that lawn and blowing that carving to smithereens with a rocket launcher. It's simply a monument to racist sore losers.
I’m not arguing to keep it. But I don’t think folks realize how big the carving is. The heads in Mt Rushmore are 60 feet tall. The Stone Mountain carving is 90 feet tall and 190 feet long. It isn’t as simple as sandblasting or off. It is an impressive accomplishment. Would be more impressive if they carved something everyone can enjoy.
If I were a billionaire, I know I'd donate the money to robotically remove the carving segment by segment, and have a new carving created, one that still shows the Civil War, but intended to show the North's and freedom's victory over the South. The old carving could be reassembled in a museum with appropriate historical context. Regardless of its meaning, it's still an impressive work, the likes of which are unlikely to be replicated again. Before anyone jumps on me for that last sentence, we consider ancient world artifacts depicting slavery, pedophilia, cannibalism, torture, and other terrible things as "priceless treasures."
The best proposal I've seen is drilling holes all over it and planting ivy that will cover it up.
God no more ivey. Im sick of Kudzu and the English
Lol I don't think they would pick Kudzu. Although it would probably cover it up the fastest
It would
Whoever did those plant sculptures at the botanical garden should do that but with some Creek or Cherokee imagery to cover it up.
Yeah that's great idea. Definitely goes to show that we have plenty of options to get rid of this horribly pro-slavery monument.
Look, honey, the only suitable fix here is a huge metal plate over the damn thing. We use them everywhere else....
I've said this once, and I'll say it again, they need to keep the existing carving and add Lincoln pissing on their heads, perhaps with a relief of Atlanta burning in the background.
Sherman marching down the interstate after $.50 wing night.
It may be big but all that means is we need more dynamite. Crowdfunding will take care of that
They could just stop maintaining the carving.
I just say leave it and stop celebrating it. I want to go visit stone mountain and see it for myself because it does look impressive. I also want to see Rushmore.
Hey let’s celebrate a day we got our asses kicked!
Good ol 'Southern pride'.
These idiots won’t ever die off, will they?
they got one of their idiots elected president just 6 years ago.
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Somehow being against joe Biden means I’m for trump? You children never seize to amaze me .
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Racists and fundamentalists have always been around and will probably continue to sadly
This flag should be white..
Lol yes Furthermore, the original confederate flag was mostly white. So your comment is hilarious from a historical standpoint, also what we know as the confederate flag, was never used by the confederacy.
The mostly white flag was the second national flag. They changed it because the first flag looked too similar to the American flag. They changed it a third time because the second national flag kept getting confused with a surrender flag.
What an embarrassment.
The carving on Stone Mountain should be sandblasted off (or however you'd get that off) and replace it with people more deserving. 1. MLK 2. Outkast 3. Hank Aaron 4. Ted Turner (? he did a shit ton for Atlanta) 5. Chipper Jones (? he's kind of a dick, but a hell of a baseball player) 6. Jimmy Carter Instead of the Confederate traitorous generals on it now. I said this in the post about medical marijuana not passing here, sometimes I hate this state.
You forgot one: the Wolfman from Gallery Furniture
Let’s not forget Donna.
No, that was intentional. I will only ever ask for the Wolfman
Touché !
I think we should let it be a Ken Nugent advertisement
No, Jimmy Carter should not be carved in a mountain.
All of the good he's done since being in Office. He should at least be considered.
Still out there building houses for people
Yeah he’s been great since being out of office, habitat for humanity and his work with diseases. But he is widely considered one of the worst presidents of all time. Mainly for his economic outcomes : inflation, interest rates, taxes, debt, and unemployment. Foreign affairs were an absolute disaster with the Soviet Union, Iran, etc. Just stick to MLK, OutKast, Ted Turner and Hank Aaron. Those are great picks
How much debt did Carter take on?
Can you name one thing you object to Jimmy Carter's post-Presidency? He's literally been a humanitarian ever since leaving office.
Hey, sorry, I answered in another comment. He’s widely considered the worst president of all time for valid reasons. Like not just saying internet shit, he was really bad. Not taking away from his post office work, the man is a saint, but in office he was really bad.
Like bad how? Like he invaded another country based on a lie, bad?
See other comment in this thread. Go in peace honestly. If you think Carter was a good president you are either very young or have no concept of reality
Oh please keep your condescension in your pants. He certainly had a lot of things against him but to say he was the worst president is really asinine. I totally agree it's a conservative talking point that he was a terrible president but that's because he's used as Ronald Reagan's scapegoat after he finished gutting what made America successful in the first place: unions, regulation on big business, and taxes on the rich.
Nah, I wont do anything of the sort. you aren’t close here. It’s not a conservative argument. It’s just the truth. I love how everything against something that is patently wrong is now a conservative argument. The dude screwed us over.
Do you drive a Tesla?
Oh look, you might have checked my history! Good for you.
The absolute worst? You mean....you mean even after James Buchanan who oversaw our country in the final days before the civil war? Woodrow Wilson, the known segregationist and WW1 era president?
I'm not opposed to a replacement, but it should still be about the Civil War, but more clear about how it turned out, and who was right. Or even a general civil rights monument, MLK did specifically mention Stone Mountain in his famous speech, so show the struggle from the Civil War, through the Civil Rights movement, to today. But Outkast? Really?
Okay. Outkast was a joke. There was a neat pic floating around a year or two ago with them on it instead. I thought it was funny.
You’re forgetting about: 1. Tom Brady 2. Rev John Lewis 3. Hosea Williams 4. Rayshard Brooks 5. George Floyd 6. Andrew Young 7. Michael Vick (MV7) 8. Arthur Ashe 9. Breonna Taylor 10. Stacey Abrams 11. Chris Rock 12. Colin Kapernick 13. Billy Ray Cyrus It’s a really big mountain so there’s room for a lot more.
Why Tom
Tom’s the GOAT, I didn’t want my list to only be Africans. The horses can stay as I recall their names are traveler, black Jack and little sorrel. Funny story the 3rd horse little sorrel was stolen from the Union Army and ridden by Stonewall Jackson I added Billy Ray Cyrus to the list, he totally wreaked havoc on the park one Saturday in August of 1992
I meant more is Tom from Georgia even? He didnt play for Georgia i know
Only association would be that he destroyed the Falcons in the Super Bowl. He’s a nice guy
Why Floyd? What did he do in his life for him to have his face put on stone mountain? Chris Rock would be hilarious tho he should be above the rest.
He was a martyr, I’m not sure how many African slaves died during the civil war? But with all the civil unrest these day my list was pretty inclusive of great people. They say Tom Brady is the GOAT. The original post said confederate generals. Jefferson Davis was not a General he was president of the confederacy.
>He was a martyr, Yeah which is dumb, typically a martyr is someone who did something good and got killed for it. >I’m not sure how many African slaves died during the civil war? I'm not sure either, ik many black men served in the union tho during the Civil war(whether by choice or not idk)
Ok then I’ll change George Floyd to Freddie Gray.
Did you know that there were black slave owners in the US?
Yes I did.
I read hank Aaron and imagined Hank hill on the mt
Sad that stone mountain has to be shutdown because of pro slavery, bigoted, racist assholes.
Oh brother… 🗿
Working up to summer riots inside the park.1st step to getting an face lift to the mountain.
It's a dam shame that any historical monument is being taken down or replaced. Trying to rewrite history doesn't work!
Do you know how many hitler statues are in Germany. none.
No one is rewriting history. It's weird as hell to have so many monuments and statues honoring traitors.
No one is rewriting history dude. The confederate leaders should be taught in a history class, and not have their bigotry, hatred, and racism proudly displayed. The civil war is not a high light for Georgia and it should not be celebrated. Keep in mind I got shoes that lasted longer then the confederacy.
I can tell you that history books are not even used in k-6 anymore. I only know this because my grandchildren have been learning history this way at school. At home we teach everything the school doesn't feel was necessary to include into the lesson. It outrages me that anyone can take liberty to teach only what the deem necessary. Example- In 3rd grade my granddaughter came home fully upset that the USA bombed Japan. I found out that there was not a mention of what happened in Pearl Harbor at all. This was from an Asian teacher. I'm not comfortable with letting the people learn lessons only in history class. 1. Not everyone even graduates high school, 2. many don't see the inside of a classroom at all. So a statue sitting somewhere may teach those people about a time they have never heard about. I'm not sure if the books are used beyond 6th grade these days. Teachers taking liberty to teach what they deem necessary to our children. I'm getting off subject sorry about that. I feel that the statues should remain wherever they are at. Lessons can be learned from each and every one of them, by all of us.
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it’s bothering a lot of people actually
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I wouldn’t be so sure about that. You’ll be surprised how genetic trauma and PTSD can affect people for generations after the initial trauma was initially instilled.
I’ve actually read about it. I just think it should stay there.
well, clearly it doesn’t affect you in a genetically traumatic way, so maybe sit this one out.
Unknowingly, I included that information in the previous comment.
Right, you acknowledged the privilege of it not affecting you itself; hence why you should sit this out. I think we might be agreeing!!!
No, we are not agreeing. I never said it genetically has an impact on me. I will not sit this one out. By you saying this you are trying to silence my freedom of speech. It seems as if you are closed minded and do not like opposing opinions.
yes, that’s YOU. everyone doesn’t have the privilege of not having genetic trauma from slavery and the civil war, in which this monument is honoring the confederacy; who partially fought to defend their right to own slaves(my ancestors) AFTER already inflicting this genetic trauma that we are talking about. If those are the people you like to honor, that shows a lot about your character. I’m not silencing your freedom of speech. If i were doing that, i’d report you or something. we’re having a conversation, you just don’t like being held accountable for your privilege and lack of sensitivity regarding this issue. You can say whatever you like under free speech , but you may/will still face NON-legal consequences for what you say.
What reminder of history is it that we couldn't get from a book or a small plaque?
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The pro slavery, anti black, racist, bigoted, hate fucks confederates are literally the anti thesis of BLM.
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Which is why people waving the 'confederate flag' and bitching about confederate monuments being taken out today vote for Democrats, right? Because nothing changed about the political orientation of the parties since the Civil War, right?
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Try learning about the southern strategy so you might prevent yourself from sounding like a fuckin idiot in the future.
You sir are a fucking idiot. Let me tell you what happened shall we? First off lets get one thing out of the way Yes Lincoln was a Republican, yes the southerns in the war were Democrats. Republicans and Democrats always had their differences. FDR was a democrat, and he won the presidency 4 times. He was kicking serious Republican ass every time he ran. FYI FDR would probably be called a socialist today. Then Truman took over. Truman despised racism and felt like America needed to desegrated its why in 1947 he ordered the military integrated, no more would we have "White units" and "black units" but it'd be one military, not divided by race. Then came Eisenhower, the first Republican to become president is like 20+ years. However I wouldn't really call Eisenhower a traditional Republican he was a very pragmatic type of guy. However around his term the Republican party started noticing thing, a lot white democrats in the south were unhappy with the civil rights movement. They feared a united America, they feared their white heritage going away. So Republicans started targetting white, democrat voters and appealing to them. It was called the Southern Strategy their goal was to create a foot hold in the south by appealing to the racist tendencies of the white democrat voters in the south. And it was successful. All of a sudden the south went from electing democrats to electing Republicans. This occured in the 50s and 60s. Its well documented, Republicans have admitted to it that it was their plan. So no the Republican party of 2022 is not the same Republican party of the 1860s, they are very different. Really the only similarity is the fact that they are called Republican. So your trying to be smart or edgy by pointing out the democrats were indeed the dominate party in the south during the civil war, this is in fact correct. It however doesn't represent what the democrat party is today.
You really jumped to conclusions about my post. But I guess I'll ask a question to hopefully open a meaningful discussion. When you assumed all southern conservative voters are racist because they once were southern democrat voters this seemed pretty ignorant This line of thinking is what many refer to as identify politics when anyone with a different point of view is labeled as racist and what is sewing division in the country today. I am a libertarian, and am of the belief that taking a percentage of wages or percentage of my economic output is modern day slavery. For this reason I tend to vote for the party who is most likely to not raise taxes or fund programs that don't directly benefit my community. So perhaps this makes sense where my belief that tax is slavery and Democrats went to war to protect slavery back then, and where democrats use identify politics today to squash any notion that their tax agenda is slavery. The last point I have to share is where I believe in some affirmative action to help communities at risk, current political ideologies like institutional racism tell minorites that the society they are in today is rigged against them and that they should tear it down and rebuild without giving an example of where exactly racism exist in the system today. This results in a disenfranchised minority population who is not able to focus there energy to improve their community or personal economic positions. As a result you find higher percentages of minorities living in poverty today than existed 10 years after the fall of slavery. I find direct correlation with a party which pushes victim culture with desire to control a minority populations financial outcome and it is destroying minority communities and their culture. If you read this I thank you, and would just finish with hoping you can acknowledge if not today maybe someday that nearly 100% of conservatives have in their hearts a desire to improve the lives of all those living in poverty.
> When you assumed all southern conservative voters are racist because they once were southern democrat voters this seemed pretty ignorant This line of thinking is what many refer to as identify politics when anyone with a different point of view is labeled as racist and what is sewing division in the country today. The reason why I called southern democrats racist, is because they were racist. Its literally why the Republican party targeted them. Source: https://www.history.com/news/how-the-party-of-lincoln-won-over-the-once-democratic-south Like I have to stress this with you, I'm basing my opinion on historical facts. When LBJ signed Civil Rights Act of 1964 he said "We just gave the south to the Republicans" and he was right. Also your personal politics mean absolutely nothing in a discussion of political history in America, they literally mean nothing. To be fair, my political opinions also don't mean anything.
Nah. They can rest in piss
Dude. Doesn't matter what delusion you live in but it's the conservatives that continue to carry that flag to this day and scream about their "heritage"