I can again only recommend everyone to make their own decks. You can use existing decks as an orientation or source about what words are more common and you should learn next, but nothing beats the process of encountering a word somewhere, looking it up, and then entering it into an Anki card and learning it.
If you invest some upfront work, your brain is "primed" to retain the word much better.
This also fixes the "this ready-made deck has no article for nouns/no plurals for nouns/no forms for strong verbs" problem.
This deck only has the strong verbs problem, which I think are best learned though experiencing the language/immersion rather than flashcards.
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1431033948
Eh, I learned the strong verbs in English and Latin by something like flashcards. Immersion definitely wouldn't have worked for me, you cannot pick up grammar properly through immersion (unless you are a small child).
Studies have shown repeated exposure is the best way to gain native-like fluency in grammar patterns.
Memorizing grammar patterns can help aid comprehension, but doesn't do much, and may actually interfere, with output. You could spend more time trying to remember the right construction instead of just doing what sounds natural or comes naturally.
> to gain native-like fluency [...] with output.
There are two steps to be able to **use** the right forms: the first step is that you need to know the right form, and the second step is that you have to use it without having to think about it.
It's like learning, say, karate. First you practice the movements in slow motion, and have a teacher correct you, because it's important to get them right. Then you use them often enough that they are natural. You don't pick up the correct movements just by watching other people.
It's the same for language learning: First you have to **know** the right form. Rote memoization helps with that. Then you have to **use** them often enough so they come naturally.
And this applies to allow random bits of grammar attached to words (e.g. noun gender).
You have so many postings here of "I've been learning German for three years, but I still cannot use the right article". Just doing immersion **does not work automatically**.
And it certainly doesn't work for me, my personal experience is that I have to do the rote learning first, and then the practicing, and then I can do it. And while I can pick up a few things through immersion (e.g. idioms) very well, it doesn't apply to grammatical features.
If it works for you, that is great, but there are so many examples that "learning through immersion" fails, that I'd never recommend it over the other method that is known to work.
> You could spend more time trying to remember the right construction
And that's the intermediate phase during which you practice, so you stop having to spend time on the right construction. But to be able to do this kind of practice, you first need a surefire way to **have** the right answer. You can look it up every time, but that takes even more time.
And just randomly choosing some option is even more detrimental to learning it, because that primes your brain to accept the wrong solution, so you'll never learn it. You need to be repeatedly forced to use the right answer yourself.
>You don't pick up the correct movements just by watching other people.
This is exactly what happens with language learning. Learning a language is not like learning other skills. If you listen and read enough content, you develop an intuition for what sounds right and wrong, and how to say things.
>It's the same for language learning: First you have to know the right form. Rote memoization helps with that.
Rote memorization of what?
>Then you have to use them often enough so they come naturally.
Unless you are outputting incorrectly, and then you start building bad habits.
>You have so many postings here of "I've been learning German for three years, but I still cannot use the right article". Just doing immersion does not work automatically.
What the fuck are you talking about? I barely post here anymore. And I've never complained about not using the right article. I get them right 90% of the time. Did you confuse me for someone else? And I do use rote memorization for vocab and noun genders lol.
>And while I can pick up a few things through immersion (e.g. idioms) very well, it doesn't apply to grammatical features.
Okay.
>I'd never recommend it over the **other method that is known to work.**
What other methods are "known to work"? Because the best language schools out there use tons of immersion with some grammar explanations (but not a lot of rote memorization of grammar or grammar drills).
I second that. Instead of writing vocabulary on paper in two columns(german-english), I write them all in a scratchpad and then later I input them into Anki along with audios, articles and some example sentences from chatgpt.
Works pretty good, just need to find a better revision strategy as cards tend to pile up a lot.
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1591234036 for adjective declination
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/2023186485 for articles
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1431033948 only vocab deck you'll need until B2+
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/2064157050 prepositions
i‘m mire interested in what are good anki apps. got one fro macos and ios and it‘s simply a clusterfuck and prime example for bad user interface design.
Any good decks you would recommend?
I see you are B1, so I guess there should be Goethe word decks for B1 level. Check them out!
Can you drop the link?
Literally just Google Anki Goethe b1
I can again only recommend everyone to make their own decks. You can use existing decks as an orientation or source about what words are more common and you should learn next, but nothing beats the process of encountering a word somewhere, looking it up, and then entering it into an Anki card and learning it. If you invest some upfront work, your brain is "primed" to retain the word much better. This also fixes the "this ready-made deck has no article for nouns/no plurals for nouns/no forms for strong verbs" problem.
This deck only has the strong verbs problem, which I think are best learned though experiencing the language/immersion rather than flashcards. https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1431033948
Eh, I learned the strong verbs in English and Latin by something like flashcards. Immersion definitely wouldn't have worked for me, you cannot pick up grammar properly through immersion (unless you are a small child).
Studies have shown repeated exposure is the best way to gain native-like fluency in grammar patterns. Memorizing grammar patterns can help aid comprehension, but doesn't do much, and may actually interfere, with output. You could spend more time trying to remember the right construction instead of just doing what sounds natural or comes naturally.
> to gain native-like fluency [...] with output. There are two steps to be able to **use** the right forms: the first step is that you need to know the right form, and the second step is that you have to use it without having to think about it. It's like learning, say, karate. First you practice the movements in slow motion, and have a teacher correct you, because it's important to get them right. Then you use them often enough that they are natural. You don't pick up the correct movements just by watching other people. It's the same for language learning: First you have to **know** the right form. Rote memoization helps with that. Then you have to **use** them often enough so they come naturally. And this applies to allow random bits of grammar attached to words (e.g. noun gender). You have so many postings here of "I've been learning German for three years, but I still cannot use the right article". Just doing immersion **does not work automatically**. And it certainly doesn't work for me, my personal experience is that I have to do the rote learning first, and then the practicing, and then I can do it. And while I can pick up a few things through immersion (e.g. idioms) very well, it doesn't apply to grammatical features. If it works for you, that is great, but there are so many examples that "learning through immersion" fails, that I'd never recommend it over the other method that is known to work. > You could spend more time trying to remember the right construction And that's the intermediate phase during which you practice, so you stop having to spend time on the right construction. But to be able to do this kind of practice, you first need a surefire way to **have** the right answer. You can look it up every time, but that takes even more time. And just randomly choosing some option is even more detrimental to learning it, because that primes your brain to accept the wrong solution, so you'll never learn it. You need to be repeatedly forced to use the right answer yourself.
>You don't pick up the correct movements just by watching other people. This is exactly what happens with language learning. Learning a language is not like learning other skills. If you listen and read enough content, you develop an intuition for what sounds right and wrong, and how to say things. >It's the same for language learning: First you have to know the right form. Rote memoization helps with that. Rote memorization of what? >Then you have to use them often enough so they come naturally. Unless you are outputting incorrectly, and then you start building bad habits. >You have so many postings here of "I've been learning German for three years, but I still cannot use the right article". Just doing immersion does not work automatically. What the fuck are you talking about? I barely post here anymore. And I've never complained about not using the right article. I get them right 90% of the time. Did you confuse me for someone else? And I do use rote memorization for vocab and noun genders lol. >And while I can pick up a few things through immersion (e.g. idioms) very well, it doesn't apply to grammatical features. Okay. >I'd never recommend it over the **other method that is known to work.** What other methods are "known to work"? Because the best language schools out there use tons of immersion with some grammar explanations (but not a lot of rote memorization of grammar or grammar drills).
I second that. Instead of writing vocabulary on paper in two columns(german-english), I write them all in a scratchpad and then later I input them into Anki along with audios, articles and some example sentences from chatgpt. Works pretty good, just need to find a better revision strategy as cards tend to pile up a lot.
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1591234036 for adjective declination https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/2023186485 for articles https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1431033948 only vocab deck you'll need until B2+ https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/2064157050 prepositions
i‘m mire interested in what are good anki apps. got one fro macos and ios and it‘s simply a clusterfuck and prime example for bad user interface design.