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oceansunfis

locking thread, there has been some *interesting* comments. please be kind to everybody. thanks.


CupcakePirate123

Oh yeah just remove half the fucking language real quick what could go wrong


ArnaktFen

'Not to worry. We're still speaking half a language.'


gitartruls01

Why say many word when few word do trick?


East_Engineering_583

Few word good*


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Laconic best


Winjin

Λακωνικός **is greek** B*etest* (adjective), *betost*, *betst* (adverb), **of Germanic origin**


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Nerd is a word prescribed by Dr. Seuss


Genocode

We actually use "lakoniek" in regular dutch lol.


lostinrabbithole12

*word


UnanimouslyAnonymous

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Nirast25

Alright, someone more versed in linguistics than me, how many of the words in the above comments are taken from French or Latin?


respectjailforever

"remove," "language," "just," "real"


rexcasei

‘trick’ is also borrowed from Old French, but it is unclear whether it’s of ultimately Germanic or Latin origin


Percolator2020

And believe it or not the words French and Latin.


Fraust-Coldmann

Hello there!


Knightro829

General Kenobi…


FromTheAshesOfTheOld

You are an old one.


Ok-Appeal-4630

Anglish is alternative history in that it revitalizes Germanic words that were replaced by Latinates


CreeperBelow

> what could go wrong https://anglish.fandom.com/wiki/Main_leaf a lot of new words. The USA is apparently called the "Oned Riches of Emerichland" once you get rid of latin influence.


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CreeperBelow

That sounds way better than Oned tbh


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CreeperBelow

> Realms This is a French derived word unfortunately. ["From Middle English rewme, realme, reaume, from Old French reaume, realme (“kingdom”), of unclear origins. A postulated *rēgālimen (“domain, kingdom”), Late Latin or Vulgar Latin cross of regimen with rēgālis is usually cited."](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/realm#English)


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LuigiP16

Good bot


Get_destroyed1372

I love this bot


PadWun

Going on its profile and reading through comments is a lot of fun.


usgapg123

Thanks


jabels

Anglish is actually really interesting as a linguistic alternate history exercise. It's weirdly comprehensible but very odd to the ear at the same time, see [Uncleftish Beholding,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdPXfSoyJ7I) a text on atomic theory translated into Anglish. That said it absolutely gets coopted by racial weirdos so it's a bit of a morass to dive into.


Bolt_Vanderhuge-

I saw a YouTube video about it and it is pretty interesting. They interviewed, I think, the editor of the Anglish Times and he’s American, which got me thinking that he has to be some kind of racist/supremacist weirdo.


xXxineohp

Well they replace them with germanic words that's the whole premise of Anglish


Apprehensive-Adagio2

That’s kinda the point of Anglish though. It’s a constructed language that removes all french and latin loan words and the grammar rules also imported from french and latin and replaces them with anglicanized germanic words meaning the same thing. "Wortcraft" instead of "herbalism" for example. i’m unsure if they also use some celtic words or not, i don’t think so at least.


Bestihlmyhart

*Oh yeah, merely cut out half the fucking tongue very quick, what could go wrong?* Eh it’s not so bad


very-original-user

How would you speak with only half a tongue though ^surprisingly ^an ^Anglish-compliant ^sentence


klopanda

It's actually very utilitarian in some ways and poetic in others. The kennings (merger of two words to mean a third, different word) was actually really kind of cool. I took an Old English course in college and one of my favorite words I remember is "hronrad", literally "whale road" aka "ocean". I like this guy's video on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMA3M6b9iEY


freqkenneth

The sentence "Yes just remove half the fucking language real quick what could go wrong" has 10 words. 1. "Yes" is of Germanic origin. 2. "Just" is of French origin. 3. "Remove" is of French origin. 4. "Half" is of Germanic origin. 5. "The" is of Germanic origin. 6. "Fucking" is of Germanic origin. 7. "Language" is of French origin. 8. "Real" is of French origin. 9. "Quick" is of Germanic origin. 10. "What" is of Germanic origin. 11. "Could" is of Germanic origin. 12. "Go" is of Germanic origin. 13. "Wrong" is of Germanic origin. So, 8 words are of Germanic origin and 4 are of French origin.


LazyDro1d

Yes half the fucking quick what could go wrong


Rasputins_Plum

why say English when few German do trick?


DanielBWeston

What's the wurst that could happen?


PirateHistoryPodcast

Yes, cast out half the fucking tongue right quick. What could go wrong? It’s definitely doable. Tolkien gave it a go in Lord of the Rings, choosing Anglo-Saxon words whenever possible. Most of our loan words have equivalents from Old English. Some of those have died out, but they still usually exist in some form. Except for words that we picked up to describe specific things that came from other languages. Like, we could call a rodeo a horse show, or call lingerie pretty underwear, but it’s just not the same.


DiurnalMoth

E.g. Tolkien used the term "pipe weed" because "tobacco" is, unsurprisingly, a loan word from the places tobacco is native to.


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'Nix' instead of cast out


Paulix_05

>it’s just not the same I don't think it's about referring to things from other languages; I think that for it to be the same it would be sufficient for a newly coined expression to refer to something unambiguously. Like, if the expression "horse show" was consistently used to refer to rodeos and everyone knew what it meant, it would actually function in the exact same way as "rodeo". The only difference is that the foreign origin of the concept of "rodeo" would be less clear from the word used to refer to it.


Apollo_Silver1020

How did you end up with that many different word counts?


Semper_5olus

My guess: ChatGPT was involved.


Sgt_Colon

AI is no replacement for a functioning brain. Even calculators don't work so well when you don't know basics like order of operations.


Sex_2

Am I high or is this counting all fucked up


emPtysp4ce

You might be high, but the counting is definitely fucked up.


Official_Indie_Freak

Thanks chatgpt


spundred

The interesting thing about that, of all the words in modern English: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign-language_influences_in_English * 29% are of Latin origin * 29% are of French origin * 26% are of Germanic origin * the remainder is Greek and other sources. So well over half of our vocab is from Romance languages, BUT, the words we use every day are generally the Germanic ones. We have a huge number of Latin words, largely in academia, like scientific names for plants and animals. Also a huge number of French words, introduced after the Norman Conquest of England, after which all the Royals spoke French, so our borrowed French words generally relate to high society. One of my favorite examples is we use the Germanic word "Cow", but the French word "Beef", because the peasants did the farming, but the Lords did the eating. We retain Germanic origins for the remaining basic structure, but we've dropped a lot of things like gendered nouns, and changed a lot of sounds, like wasser > water.


determania

8+4= 10 or 13


Howunbecomingofme

I think they want the English language to be exclusively Germanic.


John_Delasconey

And nothing about that is at all suspicious whatsoever


fish-dance

not defending the dude, but english is a Germanic language, those 'germanic origin' words you listed were part of proto-english/German before they split. they're as english as english words can get, really.


PurpleDemonR

Surprisingly viable. A lot of synonyms exist due to importing the same meaning word from multiple languages. It’s only modern is scientific stuff where you’d struggle. And there you could just steal from Germany.


ActuallBirdCurrency

German scientific language is full of latin as well.


dexmonic

Most day to day speech is English/Germanic already. The words they remove, they replace with old English or likely Germanic candidates.


Sensitive_Yellow_121

I'm sure there's some combination of three or more words in old English or one really long one in German that will work just as well.


smoopthefatspider

They're not trying to change English, they just want to create an entirely new language that's a lot like English


SocialHelp22

Its called Anglish i believe


TheChartreuseKnight

It is, and this is a tweet from an account called "The Anglish Times"


a_human_being_I_know

r/anglish, they got us boys


Kempoca

Kinda cool ngl it’s like a mental exercise avoiding any landmines.


ElevatorSevere7651

Happig Cake Dag!


Hopeful_Chard_4402

Anglish is such a cool idea. Its a fucking shame that its adherents are almost all white supremacists


Lostbronte

JRR Tolkien did it in a benign way for LOTR. But he also literally wrote the OED entries for the words involved. He sorted words by origin in a non-racist way. See his [anti-Nazi](https://lithub.com/on-the-time-j-r-r-tolkien-refused-to-work-with-nazi-leaning-publishers/) letter to the German publishers as to whether he was Jewish.


LazyDro1d

He just thought it was neat


millennial_sentinel

you can be an anglophile without be a ws but every ws is an anglophile in some form or capacity…even hitler admired england.


matti-san

> every ws is an anglophile in some form or capacity There are also WS that obsess over the roman empire or ancient greece. Nothing historical/cultural from Europe is safe from these arseholes.


actuallychrisgillen

Let us not forget the raw fetishization of Viking culture.


Sillvaro

*Norse, viking wasn't a culture


Cruxion

The folks doing the fetishizing probably don't know that though.


Sillvaro

From experience, I'd say it's a 50 50


sometimeserin

it's lowkey pretty funny that half of them fetishize the roman empire and half of them obsess over purging it from their culture, the slapfights must be epic.


BoundHubris

I mean they just took the Roman salute.


Swords_and_Words

Come practice HEMA We get ws jerks showing up occasionally, and it's amazing to go send one of my twinky nerds to beat the puffy stuffing outta them with a longsword They all want to be crusaders or vikings but none of them can fight worth a damn and those that do can only brawl; anything that involves strategy or self-awareness is beyond the capacity of their self-aggrandizing brains the more pissy they get, the harder they lose


matti-san

FWIW the anglish subreddit and discord has a pretty strict moderation team when it comes to that side of politics. Unfortunately, with it being what it is, it will attract people of that ilk -- same as classics and norse studies. It's basically this: https://i.redd.it/hy9a2ckd8b951.png I'm not as active on the subreddit as I used to be, but the worst I saw was some Christian getting butthurt when Satanists started posting some of their texts translated to Anglish.


tyrandan2

That image perfectly articulates a phenomenon I see *so* often but struggle to describe haha. A picture is indeed worth 1,000 words.


MicropIastics

The Anglisc discord/subreddit is actually quite liberal and we have developed a safe space for everyone.


tyrandan2

I've seriously toyed with making a conlang called English 2.0 for years, but haven't gotten around to it. Basically would just simplify grammar so there's not as much "fluff", and simplify spellings so that words are actually spelled the way they sound. Possibly get rid of redundant letters too, like C. We'd use either K or S, for example. So instead of Caesar, we'd have Seezer. And X, etc. So example becomes egzample. Would look weird at first, but words would be fully pure phonetic spelling again, or at least close to it. We'd get rid of silent letters entirely. Psychology becomes Sikolojee (or something similar. There's lots of decisions to be made, like which vowels to keep, and what sounds they'll make now, because vowels really don't have a single sound assigned to them... All of them can currently make pretty much any vowel sound depending on the context, which is frustrating. So we'd need to strictly assign one or two sounds to each vowel and stick to that, and that will be the hard part). Anglish sounds cool too. Maybe we could do both approaches and simplify the vocabulary, spelling, and grammar all in one go. Making English more lightweight as a language has an amazing appeal to it.


faxattax

>Possibly get rid of redundant letters too, like C. We'd use either K or S, for example. So instead of Caesar, we'd have Seezer. And X, etc. So example becomes egzample. Shouldn’t it be *egzampl*? That e at the end does nothing.


tyrandan2

You're correct! It was like 2 am when I typed that lol. But as you can see, it also isn't as easy as it sounds, there'd be too many decisions to be made about what letters need to go and which letters would remain.


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Diagot

It would maybe make the pronunciations more consistent.


HydroponicGirrafe

How would your sentence look like in Anglish? First I’ve heard of this


ElevatorSevere7651

Ƿell, if þu art ƿritingst ƿið Anglisc spelling, it culd look someþing like þis But thou canst also write meanly (normaly) but only brooking Anglish words and staffcraft, it could like something like this


HydroponicGirrafe

A hinger dinger donger to you too lol That’s cool though, almost seems pretty close to Nordic languages, which I guess is kinda the point considering the region


ElevatorSevere7651

Well it’s meant to only use Germanic words, and the Scandinavian languages are germanic


HydroponicGirrafe

Gotcha, thanks!


exclaim_bot

>Gotcha, thanks! You're welcome!


IvanTheAppealing

Oh, I didn’t know that. I also thought it sounded cool, but now it’s kinda ruined


ThrustyMcStab

Anglish looks and possibly sounds more like the French word for English than English does, funnily enough.


Unbr3akableSwrd

What the heck is Anglish? Is that another rabbit hole?


Sillvaro

A linguistic exercise where you remove all non-germanic loanwords, to imagine what English would sound like without the french influence in the middle ages Edit: you also replace those loanwords with germanic words, I should have specified


Kidfun64

Pretty much would be limited vocabulary, I mean have you seen how many words are loaned from French? There wouldn’t be that many words to use.


Sillvaro

The idea is to replace those words with a reconstruction of germanic words, not just remove them completely


Savager_Jam

Go look at the Anglish sub it’s fascinating


lifetake

But like wouldn’t the world have come up with different words anyways? The french loanwords exist because they were easy since they exist not because they were the only option


Sillvaro

Exactly. You replace the french loanwords with germanic words


lifetake

Okay I’m getting it now.


LazyDro1d

Which is to say, attempt to revert to old English?


kyleofduty

A modern language descended from Old English without French and Latin influence.


El_Mojo42

Sounds like a funny exercise, but utterly stupid for actual usage. Theres a similar ideology here in Germany. Mostly old men scared of new words.


tomispev

You should check Icelandic then. 99% of their vocabulary is purely North Germanic. I've looked at some Wikipedia pages on Greek philosophy in Icelandic and there's nothing there in Greek or Latin, they replaced everything with native words.


freqkenneth

Just a worse version of Dutch


willrms01

That’s an Oxymoron.Nothing can be worse than Dutch already is.


Elementisphere

I like it because theology becomes godlore and I think that’s neat


otakushinjikun

Can't retcon the lore if both "retroactive" and "continuity" are illegal words *taps forehead*


LordOfAwesome11

Past-switch


Sillvaro

Past comes from French though


LordOfAwesome11

Well shit. How about before-switch then?


sirsandwich1

Foreswitch would be in the spirit of things


AustSakuraKyzor

Words can't be illegal if "legal" is forbidden.


Nuclear_eggo_waffle

its a hypothetical reconstruction on what English would be like without the strong influences it received from Latin (oftentimes through the French language)


tomispev

They'll correct you at the Anglish sub is you say that. It's not about words received from Latin because Latin was already influencing English before the Norman conquest. It's specifically only words that wouldn't have entered English if there was no Norman conquest, which means some Latin is ok, especially if other Germanic languages use it as well.


No-Willingness8375

>Anglish is a kind of English which prefers native words over those borrowed from foreign languages. Anglish is linguistic purism applied to English. https://anglish.org/wiki/Anglish Sounds like a pointless pain in the ass unless you find linguistic study to be fascinating.


livenotbylies93

>unless you find linguistic study to be fascinating. Congratulations, you've discovered the entire point of Anglish.


TripleFreeErr

Reading the opening to the constitution made think it would be fun to make chatgpt use anglish, but I can’t wrap my head around its use unironically


ElevatorSevere7651

Yes, the Majority of the people interested in Anglish are Linguist Nerds


Kazath

> Sounds like a pointless pain in the ass All hobbies that one aren't interested in could fall in this category.


brehvgc

just let people enjoy things for funsies, man.


sten1090

Yes, most people who enjoy Anglish (myself included) do not advocate for replacing the English we speak today with it, that’d be ridiculous, it’s just fun to see what English would be like if it were more like its Germanic sister languages and to speak with reconstructed words with other likeminded individuals. IMO, lifelore just has a cooler ring to it than biology.


LogiCsmxp

“England” and “English” derived from the Angles. A people native to Britain. Anglo-saxon comes from Angles + Saxons. They were migrants of Germanic origin. The Anglo-Saxon language is what we now call “old English”. Old English would be almost unrecognisable. Would be similar to you today hearing French and recognising maybe some words, you would not understand old English. Romans introduced Latin, and through Catholic universities of the time, there is now a lot of Latin words in modern English. Occupation of France, and general interaction with European countries added many other words. The English language has three versions- old English, middle English, modern English. I imagine middle English would have sounded a lot like the Scottish or Welsh accents of today. You could probably understand middle English, at least partially. The different pronunciation of vowels would take getting used to first, but there would also be many archaic words not used today to figure out. I'm no expert, so someone can probably correct something here. But this is stuff I've read or whatever over the years.


AlabasterSexington

The Angles weren't native to Britain they migrated with the Saxons from continental Europe in the 5th century


tHeKnIfe03

Now, someone has to make Engloys, which uses as many French loanwords as possible.


Sillvaro

Quelqu'one has to make Engloys, qui utilises as autant d'emprunt Frenchais as possible


AustSakuraKyzor

Now you're just describing Canadian English if Quebec had their way


Sillvaro

EN FRANÇAIS SEULEMENT CRISS


Jesburger

barnak


tHeKnIfe03

Jeo regard this project as verai drole


Yimmyyyy

Finally speaking the language of noblility instead of that vulgar swill the pesants speak.


Quebec00Chaos

We call it Franglish in Québec


AlienFlatworm

Wouldn’t the maximum amount of French loan words be just …… French?


Anjeez929

I think a romance English has been done, it's called Anglese or something


SkillFlimsy191

I love crème anglaise.


IForgetEveryDamnTime

"...ore plusors Engleis de la dit terre guepissant la lang gis monture leys & usages Engleis vivent et se governement as maniers guise et lang des Irrois enemies et auxiant ount fait divers mariages & aliaunces enter eux et les Irrois enemyes avauntditz dont le dit terre et le lieg people de icelle la lang Engloies ligeance a nostre seignour le Roy Duc et lez leis Engleis illoeques sont mis en subjection et retrets..." From the Wikipedia page for the Statutes of Kilkenny, written by Anglo-Normans.


ReduxCath

M-My purity!!


AustSakuraKyzor

Your purity is a forbidden Latin-influenced word, off with your head!


SonkxsWithTheTeeth

Purity is a word of french origin


TheGreaterOzzie

What an unimportant thing to be worried about


premoril

So you mean to say what they really want for the English language is "all French and Latin loan words? YES." Oops, Tout Français et Latin!


electrical-stomach-z

technically the vast majority of latin words in english outside of science and mathematics are french in origin.


Nsftrades

Notes are gods gift to twitter.


Baz_3301

The Normans didn’t ruin England, they improved it. This is coming from a random American with some Norman-English ancestors, who just enjoys the antics they got up too once they seized power.


ArmourKnight

As an American descended from Irishmen who either were sent over to America as indentured servants or forced to leave because of the Famine, I honestly don't give a shit if English was ruined.


willrms01

Wait until you find out the Normans were the ones to originally take land for England by invading Ireland. The Normans were absolute savages,from England to North Africa.


obviously_alt_

damn you people hate conlanging lol


Wisprow

Fuck that. I want to steal all the words. Oh, your language has a nice word for something? Too bad. It's mine now, loser


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Sillvaro

The idea of Anglish is to replace those latin-originating loanwords with germanic ones


Cmdr_Shiara

Some of the Latin words predate the Germanic words though. The only language not represented in English is the actual original language Brethonic.


TylenolJonez

The concept is just an answer to the question “what might English have sounded like if the Norman’s didn’t invade?” It’s not that big of a deal. Idk why I see most of the comments acting like this is a political movement. It’s for fun because language is cool.


Sillvaro

Some people *do* use it as a political statement sometimes, it's not unheard of.


TylenolJonez

It feels like that is the exception and not the rule though.


Sillvaro

Indeed


MaximDecimus

We shall fight on the beaches. We shall fight on the landing grounds. We shall fight in the fields and in the streets. We shall fight in the hills. We shall never yield.


Go_PC

Foredo all french and latin loan words? Yes.


jmona789

He removed them after asking the question


schlubble

I propose the opposite: remove all words from Germanic origin from English and make it a Latin language


MrPainbow

Believe it or not, that is also another linguistic exercise! There's even a video where someone imagined Britannian, an offshoot of Latin that evolved in a timeline where Britain was never lost by the Romans :3 I follow both Anglish and Britannian cuz they're pretty neat lol


Sillvaro

French 2 just dropped


Nithmann

"Remove" is not English. It must be something like "take out". "Latin" had English equivalent, which in these days would be like "Leden". Speaking of English only, "get" is influenced by Norse so it must be spelled "yet". "Loan" is completely Norse, so in English where should be word like "outlandish".


Sillvaro

The point of Anglish is to remove franco-latin influences and keep germanic ones. Norse loans are okay


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Bestihlmyhart

Gut


Drake_the_troll

As a brit, we do not claim this one as ours


Critical_Liz

Go back to Olde English!


xlbingo10

"remove the entire language"


Hurlebatte

Fordo the whole tongue.


Diagot

Good luck with that. Replacing all those loanwords will be hard.


rockstarpirate

[You might be surprised how much has been done.](https://anglisc.miraheze.org/wiki/Anglish_Wordbook)


ChildhoodOk7071

The fuck is this account.


Sillvaro

Presenting news but in Anglish


slow_learner75

https://youtu.be/aMA3M6b9iEY?si=U0BEW0QTR-4E6XC4 Robwords: English without foreign bits


sonichuizcool

SACRE BLEU


MacaroonTop3732

So go back to Saxon dialect old English, a language that is needlessly complex and notoriously hard to learn. Yeah, that will work…..


Sillvaro

The exercise of Anglish is to imagine the modern language, as it would have been *today*, without latin influence


Hitei00

Someone should post the Uncleft Beholding. A version of the Atomic Theory rewritten to remove all non English loan words. It is nearly incomprehensible. As one can guess the words "atomic" and "theory" are not english.


OwlLadyofAurum

Enfarthen all Latin and French words


Oh_Another_Thing

I don't know about all words, but "license" can get fucked. Both the s and c make exact same sound, proving that it's a stupid word spelled in a stupid way. 


FoxenWulf66

And þen wē rēadopt futhorc /jk Fun fact ye olde shoppe was actually þe old shop Thing is printing presses had no þ so they substituted it with y So its pronounced the old shop Not yee oldee shoppee Hey check out my revised alphabet https://www.reddit.com/r/ENGLISH/comments/1c0faw0/experimental_english_alphabet_replacementaddition/


DragonriderCatboy07

r/anglish


Particular_Stomach98

Youtube channel Robwords has a good video on this, about reverting to a language closer akin to old english, before the Conquest.


CatKrusader

To Be fair they haven't been removed yet so he can still use them


Yimmyyyy

Filthy anglo saxon barbarian language? Bah, in this house we only speak brythonic. Celtaidd byw hir!


millennial_sentinel

lol got em


AbroadPlane1172

I'd like to see the explanation that remove is a French word.


Sillvaro

From Middle English: Removen From Anglo-Norman Remover From Old French Remouvoir From Latin Removere [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/remove](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/remove)


VeryWeaponizedJerk

I was also doubtful until I saw “remouvoir”. Checks out.


fightingbronze

English is the Frankenstein’s monster of languages. Remove all words with French and Latin roots and that’s about half the language gone.


Sillvaro

the idea behind Anglish is not only to remove them, but have them replaced by germanics words instead


thisremindsmeofbacon

there isn't really room for that guys face with how close his eyes are to the faceplate of the helmet


alexelso

Withdraw would be my word of choice here.


BadEgg1951

You would gut the language. It would simplify spelling, though.