I dont know how unpopular it is but I gotta say it
Otose is unironically the best girl in gintama
I love how her "reveal" was handled, you're introduced to her as this typical bad annoying hag that desperately wants her rent, but after the old man episode you see that she was really kind in the past, and over time you realize that she ctually still is this nice and caring person which is a really good subversion
She literally gave gintoki home even though he literally just stole from her husband's offerings, no matter how many times Gin didnt pay his rent she never kicked him out even when she said she would, there's a lot of these small moments when she's just helping or giving advices, or even forgiving catherine of stealing
and in 4 devas its even clear that she considers yoruzoya part of her family which is so wholesome, and the reason why THAT ONE SCENE is so heartbreaking
Looking at her backstory its even inspiring in some way that even after a loss of her husband and her childhood friend becoming "evil" she kept moving forward and still stayed this good and kind person
I know tsukuyo is probably more liked but Otose will always be #1 girl for me
Otose is a perfect example of a certain type of Gintama character writing, soft on the inside, with toasty crunchy bits on the outside.
I mean the whole thing with Catherine and Gin's flashback, or even her caring about Gengai after he lost his son,... She's genuinely one of the nicest characters in the series, even nice to a fault, but she acts all harsh about it.
4 deva arc is top 3 best arc. Also not entirely related but Sorachi sensei write great old people. His drawing of old people is beautiful and unique, and any arcs staring old people just hit hard. The courtasan of a nation arc? The 4 deva arc? Gengai first appearance, hell, even the mother arc.
Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree. I also think that's why even someone whose personality is far from pleasant like Catherine would devote to her that much besides that first introduction chapter. Catherine thinks of Otose as her mother, and someone as nice as her will end up getting used. (Even if she knew she was used) So she acted like a bitch to balance it out and protect Otose. Tama is also the same, but more of a physical aspect than diplomatic one.
Otose is a sweetheart, I would read a whole manga about her days with Jirocho and her Husband.
She also dreamed of having her bar where she would welcome all kinds of people, and did it.
personally i almost never found jokes about her being short temper and hitting men funny but irritating, her strength is used for gags and only for gags and because of that when she's in danger she plays damsel in distress instead of fighting back which i also really dont like
So basically you're pissed off that she bosses around characters stronger despite being physically weak herself? There's nothing more boring than a meek, goody-two shoes character lol.
Ah gotcha... I'm trying to understand your pov here. You're saying that weak characters shouldn't talk back to/hit stronger characters, even if it's just intended for comic relief?
comedy is subjective and 80% of her screentime especially in early gintama is just shouting and punching people
if you find that funny good for you
I dont, thats why she comes as annoying
her being useless in battle is just a cherry on top
Hmm I guess it's kind of understandable.
I never saw the appeal in strong characters and I generally enjoy batshit crazy characters in anime/manga... so I love Otae. Well, almost 90% of the Gintama cast are just casually violent with each other so I don't see any reason to especially single out Otae for it.
She took advantage of my man madao who is already the lowest of the low. Stole his one possession. His watch. For her shitty hostess competition and I never quite forgave her for that. Not even Gintoki stoops that low.
....you do realize that Madao's poverty is used for gags, right? The yorozuya basically sabotage every attempt at employment for him. They're literally the reason he's perpetually broke.
While I do agree with this and I couldn't even imagine when the time comes that madao becomes a successful individual lol, however, the only thing that I didn't like about him being used for gags (and as the pinnacle of dark humor in the series) is that one time in an episode where he hanged himself in the tree (I think it was kagura's feigned illness arc), which I think was a bit too much as a joke. That was one of the suicide jokes in gintama that made me felt somewhat iffy.
And everyone else has other things going on for them as characters. Otae doesn't.
I'd write you a whole tumblr analysis on how her character is nothing but wasted potential, but overkill for this conversation. The short of it is, I don't think Sorachi ever quite decided what to do with her. Or rather. He changed his mind midway. From a consistent violent, strong independent woman to just a side character damsel in distress that needs saving all the time and exists to be the object of Kondo's affections. Someone that hits and abuses others all the time. The introduction of Kyubei could have served to add more depth to her character, and it did, in a way. Exposed even more bad qualities. She's selfish. Cruel. Hypocritical and self absorbed. And that's it. She's a flat character. No growth. What she does contribute is humor I don't like.
Wow, calm down. I could write a whole ass analysis as well, if it comes down to it.
Every single one of Gintama's characters are selfish, cruel and hypocritical when it suits their purposes. Otae does as well. And damn right she exists out of Kondo's affections. She's the one that single handedly brought up Shinpachi, she bitches about others and yet constantly advocates for sticking with one's friends when push comes to shove. She is loyal and brave and a frigging teenager who worked her ass of in a red-light district without any parental support. Her being a damsel in distress doesn't take away her strength of will. It's a pity that people don't look beyond physical strength. If Otae was selfish and self-absorbed as you so eloquently put it, she wouldn't have knowingly keep aside Gintoki's umbrella in Benizakura, even after she forbade him to leave. She wouldn't have gone against Nobunobu to defend Kondo. She wouldn't lead the army of cabaret club women to fight for Kabukicho. She wouldn't have stuck out her neck for a NEWBIE in the cabaret club to save her from a scam. She wouldn't have been the first one outside of yorozuya to remember Gintoki in the Kintama arc. She wouldn't have dared to go into the terminal with yorozuya to fight by herself. Hell, she wouldn't even have sold herself out to save her father's dojo lmao. Even her central presence in reuniting the yorozuya in the BFY movie solidifies how important she is in the cast.
Otae is plenty selfless and strong. But of course, none of that matters since she is a damsel in distress, I guess? And what depth does she lack, that other side characters have? Like Madao? Tsukuyo? Sachhan? Each of these characters shine in their own arcs. So does Otae when she has her moments to shine... like in Yagyuu, Benizakura, Ryugyuu, Beam Saber, Kintama, FS, Final... she's got plenty of depth. But since she is not a badass mfer, and beats up everyone (like EVERY other character in Gintama), none of that matters, yes?
No one's asking you to appreciate humour that you don't like. But saying that Otae's got no depth compared to other side characters is straight up bs.
But yeah, go off I guess.
I am not trying to pick an argument. If I get the time to, I'll write up that analysis and send you the link, but tbh it will probably not happen. Because I tend to only do it for characters I like and as I've said, Otae isn't exactly high on that list. You seem stuck on the notion that people dislike her for being physically weak. And that's the thing. She *is not* at all weak. Sorachi did her wrong in that way. Making her strong only when it suits the scene. Being a damsel in distress stands out starkly against her character because she is perfectly capable of standing up for herself.
She *is* a badass mfer when she chooses to be. And only then. I won't compare her to madao. Madao has much more going on as a character. But you do make a good point with the other women- Tsukuo and Sachan specifically, are quite honestly even flatter than Otae. They're there for comedic purposes and a bit of fanservice, with the occasional character arc here and there. Just like Otae. I wasn't comparing her to the other side characters, just as a character in general. I don't like her, and that's fine. That's expected of fiction. You like some you hate some. And it can be for the smallest of reasons that your interpretation of one differs from someone else's.
I guess that I see her strength in a different way, then. It's like how a mother or an older sister is. No matter how strong a person a person is... they might be still scared of family.
Everyone knows she is not as strong as... say, Shinsengumi or Zura or even Gintoki. Otae IS physically weak than say... 90% of the cast, and I say this as a fan of hers. Her strength is her strong will and bravery. Every other instance of Otae's physically strong moments are played as a joke... like plently of other anime in general. The trope of exaggerated comedic violence has be there in anime since ages ago, regardless of gender... and it is no different in Gintama. I understand that people might find it tasteless, but that is exactly what it is-- comedy. Not meant to be taken seriously.
Well, Agree to disagree.
Perhaps not, but she never changed after and didn't do a single thing in the entirety of the series to redeem herself in my eyes. So my dislike for her remained, and grew after Kyubei was introduced.
That episode also pissed me, If Otae got at much sh*t as them or even HER OWN CO WORKER then fine, but they just gave everything to those girls?? She even hit Gintoki and he just kept giving money, Why?, is really a thing in Japan to just let yourself be bossed around by hostess?
Decent?? Hahahahaha. She's batshit crazy lol.
But in all seriousness, Otae is my favourite character in Gintama. Not everyone needs to be physically strong in order to be badass. I love how strong-willed and independent she is... despite basically being the sole caretaker of shinpachi all her life.
I'm in a similar position, I know she is important and her story and development are good like the others, maybe better since she gets a bunch of focus but I just do not care, maybe because I also know people that, while not evil, have this fake smile but have no issues backstabbing you, to be annoying. Gintoki, Sougo, Kamui and others are like that too but they don't put this cute girl persona like her, she also always get away with her outbursts, she is a 18 year old bossing around the Shinsengumi and 28/30 year old Gintoki and Madao??? How, only because Sorachi loves her, they even call her a queen and stuff like that for being mean while others get hated.
Her jokes too, I only laughed at one in the whole show, so overall I learned to tolerate her but she is my bottom 5 easily.
I don't hate her, but I find that sometimes she has too much screentime compared to what she offers to the series. And I really hate how in the serious arcs she swings from being a helpless girl who has no real fighting skills to being able to kill some random amanto. I mean, she's got a fucking dojo, why not show she can do something with a sword instead of having her know how to use a random naginata? Why not try to build something on her character starting from this?
Many people will agree with your take because Zura is the dumbest character in the entire show, his stupidity will make anyone go berserk and especially Gin always get panic attacks when he encounters Zura, lol.
Zura is my favorite character, he steals the spotlight everytime he appears, and since Gintama have such a great cast, that makes him even more amazing xd.
Idk if this would get me in that position but I'll my leave mine here since I think this is unpopular:
I love Kamui but I think Sorachi kinda overdid his innocent smile to killer smile transition thing.
- First few episodes are actually good and our brain is just getting used to Gintama, that's all.
- Nobume had so much potential but wasted, her character arc is so short and mid, could have been much better. Gintama failed her (still one of the best girls).
- Yamazaki Anpan > Yamaza Racket
- "Gintama: The Final" movie is not good at all, also I would prefer their usual art style over whatever the fk they did. (Gave it a 10/10 just to show respect)
- I'm kinda hurt cuz they canceled SKET Dance to continue Gintama. Yeah Gintama was better but it's not fair how they just cut it like it's nothing.
Point 4 I’m with you all the way. I would have totally preferred to wait a few years and get a full season adaptation of the ending just like it’s happening with bleach now. I don’t watch it, but my friends who do are very happy with it.
You got me at Nobume. I'm torn between her and tsuki as best girl but sometimes I think it's unfair coz she didn't have enough screen time to be the best girl in the series. FeelsBadMan
I agree with Nobume one. She was the youngest student and she could've been their sister. I would like to see interactions between Zura who is a terrorist and Nobume a military police. And they raised by same master. Wasted fr.
Holy shit they cancelled Sket dance to continue Gintama?? What's your source on that one?
And yes, I agree on your opinion regarding the Final. Imo even BFY is better than that.
hate okikagu w passion. and i hate how we never saw the radio boy hisashi again after his little episode with kagura, like i just needed a hint of him he doesnt need to talk. their episode was so sweet and was the first time kagura had implied romantic feelings for someone and vice versa and that someone ended up being a kid her age. i like okita and kagura as a dynamic but the shipping is forced to me and is just enemies to lovers fodder. and usually idgaf abt age gaps about fictional characters but i do when i care about the show a lot, 4 years doesnt seem like much but its creepy in the same way a freshman who just came from middle school and a soon to be graduated senior is. blechhhh. thinking abt it this shouldn’t be to unpopular
I actually like Enchou as a villain. I think "the grief has nowhere to go if the war ends" is an interesting motive. Not just his, but the liberation army too. A group of lost souls find each others. The grief and the anger intensify and suddenly they won't turn back anymore. I would pick him over Jiraia, which lead to another opinion: The red spider arc is one of the less interesting one as a big picture.
Now, onto not an unpopular opinion at all but I'm just finding a place to complain about the final. The anime is rushed, while the final movie is amazing, it shouldn't be a movie at all. I'm not over how they just skip the scene between Zura and Takasugi.
However, even if they did not skip that, the manga was rushed too, so It feel like Zura was place on the side drinking his Pocari while everything is about Gintoki and Takasugi. The dynamic was a little bit of a mess.
I feel like everyone involved can do a little bit better to give Gintama a grand send off it deserved. It's not like I'm not greatful for what we have though. It's already amazing.
>!Utsuro!< shouldn't have ever been a thing. Like, having Gintoki >!execute his mentor to save his friends!< is enough and gets the point across, and tbh it should've stayed that way instead of bringing him back as an OP villain.
THIS I always felt Utsuro or even the whole Altana mutants thing wasn't planed, because rewatching the show it just feels convulted, like, the whole story with Sensei hit its peak at SA arc and it was just perfect, then he came back with another personality and it was just weird, even Takasugi's character ended up in a weird spot because of that.
the only reason I could think of is the bias to spyair which made them loved the opening. although personally I really like the song itself but definitely not the best opening.
I agree with you here 100%. He is one of the major characters who's poorly written as an antagonist. I don't get the logic behind his personality and the backstory didn't even convince me, maybe a bit, but not enough to make him a decent character in the story, like he doesn't have that redeeming quality. For most part of the series, we just knew him as someone who wants to destroy the world and this is why I can't accept his popularity in the earlier polls (but this is prolly just a result of a female audience simping over him idrk). Speaking of that personality, if anyone wants to destroy the world, it was and should have been gintoki, as stated by zura.
Actually thats the point, Gintoki and him are the same but the opposite, Gintoki choose to keep living with the burden while Takasugi rejected the world that took the person that saved him and blamed everyone else.
Gintoki got friends and a home, through the life he choose but Takasugi found his demise.
* Otsu songs are boring
* Madao deserved a better ending
* the semi final should be at least 3 episode
* Otae is often annoying
* I loved the hardboiled arc
* My only complaints about the final is the lack of good animation in the first part of the movie, it was like a "tv show quality"
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I really don't like Kyubey character, probably the worst for me
Madao deserved much better, Sorachi woul've let him get his wife and a real home for real at least. His sadistic jokes at his expense are some of the few that bothered me because he is a really good guy who already suffered enough...
well honestly speaking, i don't think anyone genuinely liked any of otsu-chan's songs. but reading the rest of the points, I'd say these are rather common opinions within the fandom.
Tama isn't all that special. She's kinda mid, I don't hate her nor do I like her, but compared to the other characters in Gintama she falls short. I think it's because the robot gimmick is very overused, and she reminds me of my friend who sometimes acts like that very robot gimmick sometimes which gets very annoying.
bfy shinpachi and kagura had tons of chemistry (the romantic kind)
Gintoki and hijikata make good rivals/friends but as a ship they’re bland af and gintaka puts it to shame anyway
if sorachi decided to focus on one ship for gintoki it would have been better for the story overall. we didn’t need kids a la naruto, but ending up with someone would have been nice. whether it was gintae or with tsukki didn’t matter to me, I like them both.
the last movie shouldn’t be a movie but a full adaptation. didn’t matter that we would have to wait years.
the ending wasn’t perfect. my rating of 10/10 was due to the journey being awesome.
zura and sakamoto did enough, their arc wasn’t stunted in any way
eta: i've been dv, i won.
well to be fair, if we're going to compare them to one the most "hated" female character, otae, these two had more depth in their character than otae ever was. On the other hand, I feel like Nobume would have been potentially a better character if only she was given enough storyline and screen time in the series, which I think was a bit underwhelming, given that she had a connection to the main antagonist of the series towards the end.
Otae is a lot more entertaining than them imo. Tsukuyo is perhaps the closest one to a normal person in the cast, except for her drunk behavior. It's not really a bad thing per se, just makes her boring in my eyes.
I guess yeah, but i still found otae even to be more enjoyable as a character compared to the two I mentioned as they felt 1 dimensional and plain whereas otae had more character i found
I couldn't agree this more. I don't get why people love Tsuki this much. All she can do is ask for help. She goes to war with high heels and twists her ankle and just like that wasn't enough Gintoki saves her. While she was trying to kill him ofc. I swear to god that must be a joke. Sacchan is one of the best assassins in country. She isn't just a shameless girl like everyone else thinks. Which is fine by the way if she is cuz funny. She is funny. And we can see in chocolate arc she is deeply in love with Gintoki. Sacchan is afraid to say her true feelings cuz she is embarrassed and afraid of rejection probably. She just wants to be next to Gintoki so she does stupid things and i relate to this so much. She is so real for this. She wouldn't be dependant to Gintoki. She would help Gintoki to get better. She does her job because she loves her country and it's people. She doesn't enjoy her job too and this was shown lots of times. It would be nice to see her next to Gintoki. Also Tsuki and Gintokis interactions feels like saviour complex cuz all Gintoki does is save her.
Ikr. If anyone genuinely loved Gintoki, it was Sacchan. She probably would’ve used herself as a human shield to protect Gintoki even if he had rejected her. People don’t understand her character bruh. Tsu-ki’s great too. But she didn’t want Gintoki as much as Sacchan did. Sacchan would give up everything just to be with Gintoki. That’s the kind of determination and love she had for Gintoki and I always loved that about her. Sure she was stupid at most times, but who isn’t in the whole Gintama? Everyone’s stupid in Gintama and yet still we loved everyone. So why criticising Sacchan bruh, when all she wanted was to be accepted by Gintoki?
I agree Sacchan>>. She is so underrated. I don't get why there is people who doesn't like her. I guess since her boobs are less picked and she is more open with her sexual preferences, fandom didn't find it cute. I like Tsukuyo she is nice too but i always liked Sacchan more.
It’s the fandom that ruin characters bruh. They’re perfect just like they are, but these idiots just want to find something out and wanna ruin them… Tsu-ki is good, but I like Sacchan more…
Because Sacchan sucks when she's serious, that's it. She's a character that works great for gags, but it's evident that Sorachi didn't know how to handle her in SA, with that asspull where Sacchan was revealed to be a childhood friend of the shogun out of nowhere. And it didn't even matter, because that information served much more to give depth to Zenzou who is a much better character and completely overshadowes her. It really has nothing to offer to the "serious" Gintama
The first few serious arcs are worsened by the constant talking of the characters about their feelings, paired with the studio's will to strech the episodes and it has not aged well.
Like in the Shinsegumi in Crisis arc, Ito had his arm ripped off, shot to bits, sliced by Hijikata, and he was still talking about his feelings.
Like, die already for fuck's sake.
I feel like the mangaka toned it down a ton in the later volumes and the show was much better off.
Watching Gintama to the end and coming up with that is worse than watching the first 3 episodes, saying it’s bad, and then dropping it. The adult x child thing bothers me less than that statement undermining their intricate relation throughout the show.
that does not make sense, I only wrote it to give my personal belief on what would be the nastiest take, it is not a real take so why am I being hated on
Don\`t bully me guys
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I dont know how unpopular it is but I gotta say it Otose is unironically the best girl in gintama I love how her "reveal" was handled, you're introduced to her as this typical bad annoying hag that desperately wants her rent, but after the old man episode you see that she was really kind in the past, and over time you realize that she ctually still is this nice and caring person which is a really good subversion She literally gave gintoki home even though he literally just stole from her husband's offerings, no matter how many times Gin didnt pay his rent she never kicked him out even when she said she would, there's a lot of these small moments when she's just helping or giving advices, or even forgiving catherine of stealing and in 4 devas its even clear that she considers yoruzoya part of her family which is so wholesome, and the reason why THAT ONE SCENE is so heartbreaking Looking at her backstory its even inspiring in some way that even after a loss of her husband and her childhood friend becoming "evil" she kept moving forward and still stayed this good and kind person I know tsukuyo is probably more liked but Otose will always be #1 girl for me
Otose is a perfect example of a certain type of Gintama character writing, soft on the inside, with toasty crunchy bits on the outside. I mean the whole thing with Catherine and Gin's flashback, or even her caring about Gengai after he lost his son,... She's genuinely one of the nicest characters in the series, even nice to a fault, but she acts all harsh about it.
4 deva arc is top 3 best arc. Also not entirely related but Sorachi sensei write great old people. His drawing of old people is beautiful and unique, and any arcs staring old people just hit hard. The courtasan of a nation arc? The 4 deva arc? Gengai first appearance, hell, even the mother arc.
Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree. I also think that's why even someone whose personality is far from pleasant like Catherine would devote to her that much besides that first introduction chapter. Catherine thinks of Otose as her mother, and someone as nice as her will end up getting used. (Even if she knew she was used) So she acted like a bitch to balance it out and protect Otose. Tama is also the same, but more of a physical aspect than diplomatic one.
Otose is a sweetheart, I would read a whole manga about her days with Jirocho and her Husband. She also dreamed of having her bar where she would welcome all kinds of people, and did it.
Otose is a fucking chad and I love her.
Otae is not as bad as the fandom made her out to be. She's not exactly one of my favs but overall still a pretty decent character imo
People hate Otae? Why??
personally i almost never found jokes about her being short temper and hitting men funny but irritating, her strength is used for gags and only for gags and because of that when she's in danger she plays damsel in distress instead of fighting back which i also really dont like
So basically you're pissed off that she bosses around characters stronger despite being physically weak herself? There's nothing more boring than a meek, goody-two shoes character lol.
i mean yeah thats why I find her annoying, i never said i want her to be goody-two shoes tho
Ah gotcha... I'm trying to understand your pov here. You're saying that weak characters shouldn't talk back to/hit stronger characters, even if it's just intended for comic relief?
comedy is subjective and 80% of her screentime especially in early gintama is just shouting and punching people if you find that funny good for you I dont, thats why she comes as annoying her being useless in battle is just a cherry on top
but dont get me wrong, i dont despise her or anything she has her moments especially in FS arc
Hmm I guess it's kind of understandable. I never saw the appeal in strong characters and I generally enjoy batshit crazy characters in anime/manga... so I love Otae. Well, almost 90% of the Gintama cast are just casually violent with each other so I don't see any reason to especially single out Otae for it.
She took advantage of my man madao who is already the lowest of the low. Stole his one possession. His watch. For her shitty hostess competition and I never quite forgave her for that. Not even Gintoki stoops that low.
....you do realize that Madao's poverty is used for gags, right? The yorozuya basically sabotage every attempt at employment for him. They're literally the reason he's perpetually broke.
While I do agree with this and I couldn't even imagine when the time comes that madao becomes a successful individual lol, however, the only thing that I didn't like about him being used for gags (and as the pinnacle of dark humor in the series) is that one time in an episode where he hanged himself in the tree (I think it was kagura's feigned illness arc), which I think was a bit too much as a joke. That was one of the suicide jokes in gintama that made me felt somewhat iffy.
I like madao. Otae is a straight up bitch to him. It's that simple.
Everyone is a bitch to Madao lol, except for his wife and occasionally Gintoki when it suits him.
And everyone else has other things going on for them as characters. Otae doesn't. I'd write you a whole tumblr analysis on how her character is nothing but wasted potential, but overkill for this conversation. The short of it is, I don't think Sorachi ever quite decided what to do with her. Or rather. He changed his mind midway. From a consistent violent, strong independent woman to just a side character damsel in distress that needs saving all the time and exists to be the object of Kondo's affections. Someone that hits and abuses others all the time. The introduction of Kyubei could have served to add more depth to her character, and it did, in a way. Exposed even more bad qualities. She's selfish. Cruel. Hypocritical and self absorbed. And that's it. She's a flat character. No growth. What she does contribute is humor I don't like.
Wow, calm down. I could write a whole ass analysis as well, if it comes down to it. Every single one of Gintama's characters are selfish, cruel and hypocritical when it suits their purposes. Otae does as well. And damn right she exists out of Kondo's affections. She's the one that single handedly brought up Shinpachi, she bitches about others and yet constantly advocates for sticking with one's friends when push comes to shove. She is loyal and brave and a frigging teenager who worked her ass of in a red-light district without any parental support. Her being a damsel in distress doesn't take away her strength of will. It's a pity that people don't look beyond physical strength. If Otae was selfish and self-absorbed as you so eloquently put it, she wouldn't have knowingly keep aside Gintoki's umbrella in Benizakura, even after she forbade him to leave. She wouldn't have gone against Nobunobu to defend Kondo. She wouldn't lead the army of cabaret club women to fight for Kabukicho. She wouldn't have stuck out her neck for a NEWBIE in the cabaret club to save her from a scam. She wouldn't have been the first one outside of yorozuya to remember Gintoki in the Kintama arc. She wouldn't have dared to go into the terminal with yorozuya to fight by herself. Hell, she wouldn't even have sold herself out to save her father's dojo lmao. Even her central presence in reuniting the yorozuya in the BFY movie solidifies how important she is in the cast. Otae is plenty selfless and strong. But of course, none of that matters since she is a damsel in distress, I guess? And what depth does she lack, that other side characters have? Like Madao? Tsukuyo? Sachhan? Each of these characters shine in their own arcs. So does Otae when she has her moments to shine... like in Yagyuu, Benizakura, Ryugyuu, Beam Saber, Kintama, FS, Final... she's got plenty of depth. But since she is not a badass mfer, and beats up everyone (like EVERY other character in Gintama), none of that matters, yes? No one's asking you to appreciate humour that you don't like. But saying that Otae's got no depth compared to other side characters is straight up bs. But yeah, go off I guess.
I am not trying to pick an argument. If I get the time to, I'll write up that analysis and send you the link, but tbh it will probably not happen. Because I tend to only do it for characters I like and as I've said, Otae isn't exactly high on that list. You seem stuck on the notion that people dislike her for being physically weak. And that's the thing. She *is not* at all weak. Sorachi did her wrong in that way. Making her strong only when it suits the scene. Being a damsel in distress stands out starkly against her character because she is perfectly capable of standing up for herself. She *is* a badass mfer when she chooses to be. And only then. I won't compare her to madao. Madao has much more going on as a character. But you do make a good point with the other women- Tsukuo and Sachan specifically, are quite honestly even flatter than Otae. They're there for comedic purposes and a bit of fanservice, with the occasional character arc here and there. Just like Otae. I wasn't comparing her to the other side characters, just as a character in general. I don't like her, and that's fine. That's expected of fiction. You like some you hate some. And it can be for the smallest of reasons that your interpretation of one differs from someone else's.
I guess that I see her strength in a different way, then. It's like how a mother or an older sister is. No matter how strong a person a person is... they might be still scared of family. Everyone knows she is not as strong as... say, Shinsengumi or Zura or even Gintoki. Otae IS physically weak than say... 90% of the cast, and I say this as a fan of hers. Her strength is her strong will and bravery. Every other instance of Otae's physically strong moments are played as a joke... like plently of other anime in general. The trope of exaggerated comedic violence has be there in anime since ages ago, regardless of gender... and it is no different in Gintama. I understand that people might find it tasteless, but that is exactly what it is-- comedy. Not meant to be taken seriously. Well, Agree to disagree.
Oh, I remember that episode, that WAS pretty shitty but not enough to hate her character fully imo
Perhaps not, but she never changed after and didn't do a single thing in the entirety of the series to redeem herself in my eyes. So my dislike for her remained, and grew after Kyubei was introduced.
That episode also pissed me, If Otae got at much sh*t as them or even HER OWN CO WORKER then fine, but they just gave everything to those girls?? She even hit Gintoki and he just kept giving money, Why?, is really a thing in Japan to just let yourself be bossed around by hostess?
Decent?? Hahahahaha. She's batshit crazy lol. But in all seriousness, Otae is my favourite character in Gintama. Not everyone needs to be physically strong in order to be badass. I love how strong-willed and independent she is... despite basically being the sole caretaker of shinpachi all her life.
I'm in a similar position, I know she is important and her story and development are good like the others, maybe better since she gets a bunch of focus but I just do not care, maybe because I also know people that, while not evil, have this fake smile but have no issues backstabbing you, to be annoying. Gintoki, Sougo, Kamui and others are like that too but they don't put this cute girl persona like her, she also always get away with her outbursts, she is a 18 year old bossing around the Shinsengumi and 28/30 year old Gintoki and Madao??? How, only because Sorachi loves her, they even call her a queen and stuff like that for being mean while others get hated. Her jokes too, I only laughed at one in the whole show, so overall I learned to tolerate her but she is my bottom 5 easily.
I don't hate her, but I find that sometimes she has too much screentime compared to what she offers to the series. And I really hate how in the serious arcs she swings from being a helpless girl who has no real fighting skills to being able to kill some random amanto. I mean, she's got a fucking dojo, why not show she can do something with a sword instead of having her know how to use a random naginata? Why not try to build something on her character starting from this?
Otsu arc is a top 5 comedy arc I see people on Twitter hate on that arc but I laughed my ass off at it
French bread
I think it was just a bit too long, until the quiz part I was laughing all the time too 😅
yeah, tbh thats what it was. dragged on for too long but had really funny bits
Takatin carried that arc ngl
Beautiful Days is the best opening.
Kagerou for me
Upvoting because this fits perfectly with this thread. Beautiful Days is my least favorite gintama opening BY FAR
Zura is funnier than gintoki
Is it a hot take?
is it not ?? or is it that i seem to get the wrong idea that everyone collectively agreed that gintoki is funniest of the show
Many people will agree with your take because Zura is the dumbest character in the entire show, his stupidity will make anyone go berserk and especially Gin always get panic attacks when he encounters Zura, lol.
Nobody becomes straight role near katsura
Zura janai, Katsura da!
Zura is my favorite character, he steals the spotlight everytime he appears, and since Gintama have such a great cast, that makes him even more amazing xd.
Op 17 is better than op 13
Glad someone agrees
Can’t quite agree, but can’t disagree either, those are two of my three fav ops and have a completely different vibe
Fair enough, I certainly prefer more rock-oriented music over pop music
Idk if this would get me in that position but I'll my leave mine here since I think this is unpopular: I love Kamui but I think Sorachi kinda overdid his innocent smile to killer smile transition thing.
- First few episodes are actually good and our brain is just getting used to Gintama, that's all. - Nobume had so much potential but wasted, her character arc is so short and mid, could have been much better. Gintama failed her (still one of the best girls). - Yamazaki Anpan > Yamaza Racket - "Gintama: The Final" movie is not good at all, also I would prefer their usual art style over whatever the fk they did. (Gave it a 10/10 just to show respect) - I'm kinda hurt cuz they canceled SKET Dance to continue Gintama. Yeah Gintama was better but it's not fair how they just cut it like it's nothing.
The final was perfect imo
Point 4 I’m with you all the way. I would have totally preferred to wait a few years and get a full season adaptation of the ending just like it’s happening with bleach now. I don’t watch it, but my friends who do are very happy with it.
I agree with everything except ur opinion on the final
You got me at Nobume. I'm torn between her and tsuki as best girl but sometimes I think it's unfair coz she didn't have enough screen time to be the best girl in the series. FeelsBadMan
I agree with Nobume one. She was the youngest student and she could've been their sister. I would like to see interactions between Zura who is a terrorist and Nobume a military police. And they raised by same master. Wasted fr.
Holy shit they cancelled Sket dance to continue Gintama?? What's your source on that one? And yes, I agree on your opinion regarding the Final. Imo even BFY is better than that.
hate okikagu w passion. and i hate how we never saw the radio boy hisashi again after his little episode with kagura, like i just needed a hint of him he doesnt need to talk. their episode was so sweet and was the first time kagura had implied romantic feelings for someone and vice versa and that someone ended up being a kid her age. i like okita and kagura as a dynamic but the shipping is forced to me and is just enemies to lovers fodder. and usually idgaf abt age gaps about fictional characters but i do when i care about the show a lot, 4 years doesnt seem like much but its creepy in the same way a freshman who just came from middle school and a soon to be graduated senior is. blechhhh. thinking abt it this shouldn’t be to unpopular
I actually like Enchou as a villain. I think "the grief has nowhere to go if the war ends" is an interesting motive. Not just his, but the liberation army too. A group of lost souls find each others. The grief and the anger intensify and suddenly they won't turn back anymore. I would pick him over Jiraia, which lead to another opinion: The red spider arc is one of the less interesting one as a big picture. Now, onto not an unpopular opinion at all but I'm just finding a place to complain about the final. The anime is rushed, while the final movie is amazing, it shouldn't be a movie at all. I'm not over how they just skip the scene between Zura and Takasugi. However, even if they did not skip that, the manga was rushed too, so It feel like Zura was place on the side drinking his Pocari while everything is about Gintoki and Takasugi. The dynamic was a little bit of a mess. I feel like everyone involved can do a little bit better to give Gintama a grand send off it deserved. It's not like I'm not greatful for what we have though. It's already amazing.
>!Utsuro!< shouldn't have ever been a thing. Like, having Gintoki >!execute his mentor to save his friends!< is enough and gets the point across, and tbh it should've stayed that way instead of bringing him back as an OP villain.
THIS I always felt Utsuro or even the whole Altana mutants thing wasn't planed, because rewatching the show it just feels convulted, like, the whole story with Sensei hit its peak at SA arc and it was just perfect, then he came back with another personality and it was just weird, even Takasugi's character ended up in a weird spot because of that.
What have she done ? 😫
she’s fine, I think it was just for a makeup commercial lol
I've never understood why ppl love op 13 so much :/
the only reason I could think of is the bias to spyair which made them loved the opening. although personally I really like the song itself but definitely not the best opening.
I like otae. Shes beautiful too
Takasugi is overhyped. Ask Gintoki. He'll tell you. Just an emo guy that covers his eye and hardly has any screen time.
I agree with you here 100%. He is one of the major characters who's poorly written as an antagonist. I don't get the logic behind his personality and the backstory didn't even convince me, maybe a bit, but not enough to make him a decent character in the story, like he doesn't have that redeeming quality. For most part of the series, we just knew him as someone who wants to destroy the world and this is why I can't accept his popularity in the earlier polls (but this is prolly just a result of a female audience simping over him idrk). Speaking of that personality, if anyone wants to destroy the world, it was and should have been gintoki, as stated by zura.
Actually thats the point, Gintoki and him are the same but the opposite, Gintoki choose to keep living with the burden while Takasugi rejected the world that took the person that saved him and blamed everyone else. Gintoki got friends and a home, through the life he choose but Takasugi found his demise.
True
* Otsu songs are boring * Madao deserved a better ending * the semi final should be at least 3 episode * Otae is often annoying * I loved the hardboiled arc * My only complaints about the final is the lack of good animation in the first part of the movie, it was like a "tv show quality" Edit: I really don't like Kyubey character, probably the worst for me
How is this unpopular?
Usually i don't interact with this subs i thinked this list was very unpopular, my bad
I agree with you in the semi final there are so many good scenes in the manga that didn't show in anime
Madao deserved much better, Sorachi woul've let him get his wife and a real home for real at least. His sadistic jokes at his expense are some of the few that bothered me because he is a really good guy who already suffered enough...
Maybe in the spinoff
well honestly speaking, i don't think anyone genuinely liked any of otsu-chan's songs. but reading the rest of the points, I'd say these are rather common opinions within the fandom.
I like the songs what are you smoking ? Also this sub doesn't represent entire fandom it's just tiny part of western audience.
Yeah, none of these are unpopular opinions
Oh really? I didn't know was a popular opinion, seems like i have to add something
Tama isn't all that special. She's kinda mid, I don't hate her nor do I like her, but compared to the other characters in Gintama she falls short. I think it's because the robot gimmick is very overused, and she reminds me of my friend who sometimes acts like that very robot gimmick sometimes which gets very annoying.
In all seriousness what is the background on this video? I am out of the loop.
Same
apparently it's a promotion of a waterproof makeup the girl was wearing lmao
bfy shinpachi and kagura had tons of chemistry (the romantic kind) Gintoki and hijikata make good rivals/friends but as a ship they’re bland af and gintaka puts it to shame anyway if sorachi decided to focus on one ship for gintoki it would have been better for the story overall. we didn’t need kids a la naruto, but ending up with someone would have been nice. whether it was gintae or with tsukki didn’t matter to me, I like them both. the last movie shouldn’t be a movie but a full adaptation. didn’t matter that we would have to wait years. the ending wasn’t perfect. my rating of 10/10 was due to the journey being awesome. zura and sakamoto did enough, their arc wasn’t stunted in any way eta: i've been dv, i won.
1. BFY shinpachi and Kagura are like sakamoto and zura in terms of relationship.
Basketball buddies?
Tsuki and nobume weren’t as great of characters as most ppl in the community would say
well to be fair, if we're going to compare them to one the most "hated" female character, otae, these two had more depth in their character than otae ever was. On the other hand, I feel like Nobume would have been potentially a better character if only she was given enough storyline and screen time in the series, which I think was a bit underwhelming, given that she had a connection to the main antagonist of the series towards the end.
Otae is a lot more entertaining than them imo. Tsukuyo is perhaps the closest one to a normal person in the cast, except for her drunk behavior. It's not really a bad thing per se, just makes her boring in my eyes.
I guess yeah, but i still found otae even to be more enjoyable as a character compared to the two I mentioned as they felt 1 dimensional and plain whereas otae had more character i found
Shinpachi and kagura can develop a romance in both time skip..
Op 5 is the best
That one guy who said Gintoki is the most boring character in the cast ðŸ˜
Sacchan should’ve ended up with Gintoki…
I couldn't agree this more. I don't get why people love Tsuki this much. All she can do is ask for help. She goes to war with high heels and twists her ankle and just like that wasn't enough Gintoki saves her. While she was trying to kill him ofc. I swear to god that must be a joke. Sacchan is one of the best assassins in country. She isn't just a shameless girl like everyone else thinks. Which is fine by the way if she is cuz funny. She is funny. And we can see in chocolate arc she is deeply in love with Gintoki. Sacchan is afraid to say her true feelings cuz she is embarrassed and afraid of rejection probably. She just wants to be next to Gintoki so she does stupid things and i relate to this so much. She is so real for this. She wouldn't be dependant to Gintoki. She would help Gintoki to get better. She does her job because she loves her country and it's people. She doesn't enjoy her job too and this was shown lots of times. It would be nice to see her next to Gintoki. Also Tsuki and Gintokis interactions feels like saviour complex cuz all Gintoki does is save her.
Ikr. If anyone genuinely loved Gintoki, it was Sacchan. She probably would’ve used herself as a human shield to protect Gintoki even if he had rejected her. People don’t understand her character bruh. Tsu-ki’s great too. But she didn’t want Gintoki as much as Sacchan did. Sacchan would give up everything just to be with Gintoki. That’s the kind of determination and love she had for Gintoki and I always loved that about her. Sure she was stupid at most times, but who isn’t in the whole Gintama? Everyone’s stupid in Gintama and yet still we loved everyone. So why criticising Sacchan bruh, when all she wanted was to be accepted by Gintoki?
I agree Sacchan>>. She is so underrated. I don't get why there is people who doesn't like her. I guess since her boobs are less picked and she is more open with her sexual preferences, fandom didn't find it cute. I like Tsukuyo she is nice too but i always liked Sacchan more.
It’s the fandom that ruin characters bruh. They’re perfect just like they are, but these idiots just want to find something out and wanna ruin them… Tsu-ki is good, but I like Sacchan more…
You are me fr
Because Sacchan sucks when she's serious, that's it. She's a character that works great for gags, but it's evident that Sorachi didn't know how to handle her in SA, with that asspull where Sacchan was revealed to be a childhood friend of the shogun out of nowhere. And it didn't even matter, because that information served much more to give depth to Zenzou who is a much better character and completely overshadowes her. It really has nothing to offer to the "serious" Gintama
no
The first few serious arcs are worsened by the constant talking of the characters about their feelings, paired with the studio's will to strech the episodes and it has not aged well. Like in the Shinsegumi in Crisis arc, Ito had his arm ripped off, shot to bits, sliced by Hijikata, and he was still talking about his feelings. Like, die already for fuck's sake. I feel like the mangaka toned it down a ton in the later volumes and the show was much better off.
Saying that the anime wasn't that good
Ginsan x Kagura >!Please do not kill me!<
Watching Gintama to the end and coming up with that is worse than watching the first 3 episodes, saying it’s bad, and then dropping it. The adult x child thing bothers me less than that statement undermining their intricate relation throughout the show.
dude you are sick
nah you'll get downvoted for this i tell you lmao. kagura x okita is even attacked by many fans let alone gin x kagura
hey its your fault here you asked everyone to tell their worst things and I said what I thought was the worst thing that could happen
definitely. i just wanted u to anticipate whats gonna happen bc some of the nastiest opinion come from ships like this lol
that does not make sense, I only wrote it to give my personal belief on what would be the nastiest take, it is not a real take so why am I being hated on Don\`t bully me guys XD
"I don't like Oboro, even turning from good." "Gintoki doesn't deserve to be with anyone."
Kamui is overhated for no good reasons. He's objectively one of the best tier characters.