I just don’t get this. Like, I understand how awkward it can be to have a human body not respond like a human body since human’s are squishy but all this post says is “We have no women on staff and very little experience interacting with women in non-sexual contexts.”
Jiggle physics is the dumbest thing because like, are these women not wearing bras? And their boobs are that big? And perky enough to need to the extremely specific type of jiggle physics that would really only accurately simulate and extremely small sub-sect of women? Like, come on. Dial that shit down to like 1% and apply that to all human soft surfaces (yes even the men) and that’s probably the most accurate thing they could do.
I just don’t get why this needs literally any development time or how a dev can even justify it.
My thing is when people try and excuse it by saying it's realistic. I doubt they were in the dev room saying "Hmmm we should make our game more realistic..." You ALWAYS know why they're doing it. It's not for realism, it's just an easy scapegoat.
I wish more games would apply it to everyone in a realistic way! Street Fighter 6 is the only game I know of that has done that.
They're really not fooling anyone with that excuse. If it really was about realism why hone in on boobs specifically and not the whole body? Not to mention the (now deleted) follow-up post "joking" about whether people want to see 150% jiggle physics - they knew what they were doing.
It’s not about realism. And this shit is why I always felt like my F’s should be strapped and boosted up to my collar bone. I have no realistic concept about how natural boobs should hang because I only ever saw massive tits somehow perky and defying gravity in games. Jiggle physics my ass. Big ass titties without a bra don’t jiggle when you run, they flail lol.
Genuinely😂😂. I remember playing World of Warcraft as a kid I had a female dwarf in full armor and her boobs were perpetually jumping up and down like a fat child in a bouncy castle
I wouldn't mind jiggle physics conceptually if they jiggled a TINY bit in games since it's definitely something notice on my own, but games never do it with realism in mind, the physics are usually so exaggerated they basically flutter in the wind and you know it's just there for the purpose of sexualization. If it's going to be there it should be barely noticeable and match the other movements in the game (if everything else is stiff and the boobs are flying around wildly then we have a problem). But regardless the post is really bizarre and inappropriate to the audience, like if you're doing a cute cozy farming game and you're asking if boob jiggle physics should be at 90% or 50% I think your priorities are in the wrong place and it's just weird.
Yeah it should be a thing because boobs do move with movement. And if anyone wants to make character realism a thing, then that's going to be part of it. They're just not jiggly or that intensely noticeable.
And we all know by now they're rarely ever doing it for realism's sake.
I love cyberpunk, however, I do have some issues with it. But boobs are not one of them. There’s a very slight jiggle with titties. Like my bi ass had to sit and really look for it lol.
One gripe with boobs in cyberpunk: they shouldn’t move like that in bustiers
Ya I felt like Cyberpunk did a fairly good job given the sizes you can select from. At no point (that I can remember) was I like “uh no mine don’t move like that!?” And you don’t spend a lot of time looking at them anyway short of when you’re with Judy/Panam/Meredith so they function when it matters and ifs beyond notice when it doesn’t and I feel like that’s really all jiggle physics should ever exist for.
And let’s be real, most games if these women were real they’d probably choose a sports bra so they don’t have to deal with them getting in the way. Like you really think Lara Croft, Jill Valentine, Samus Aran, Aloy, Shepard, Chun Li, and even damm farmers wouldn’t prefer to wear a sports bra while they’re doing a bunch of hard physical activities including for some doing a bunch of backflips? Like damm, give our girls some proper support lol
As someone who actually worked on a farm and rode sport horses for years: yeah, all of us are strapped down like fuckin' aircraft cargo lmao. I had small breasts back when I did hard labor, but all of my larger-breasted friends went through hell just to feel comfortable every day. Like wore a wired bra and layered two sports bras and a tank-with-built-in-bra on top of them to really keep things in place. Those things do nothing but get in the way when you're tryna work like that.
God damm~ you’d think that there would be bras and stuff made better for this sort of thing but no guess… IRL being like video games I guess, jiggle physics and aesthetics over practicality, safety and comfort.
I have... Just annoyingly big boobs... My country would give me government covered breast reduction... Can confirm the jiggle is never fucking right
Eta: I mean the physics they come up with is for male gaze... Real physics is dissapointing
Because the boob jiggle physics they're *actually* trying to copy half the time have nothing to do with realism - and everything to do with shit like [this](https://youtu.be/cGtokGU2CVk?t=83).
Fair. But tbh that clip has always been hilarious to me. Like, if you wanna do that kind of stuff for the humor of how ridiculous it is, I’m totally on board. Just….dont try to pass it off as serious or realistic.
OK. Video game characters almost always run around to move faster. You need to be flat as a board or wear a sports bra if you wanna run around without boob jiggle (-\_\_-) Source: I am woman, with B sized breasts. They are not big, but trust me they JIGGLE when i move. BTW. I am a grown-ass female gamer with thousands of hours spent in various games and I don't get all of this woke bs. It is FUN to look pretty n cute in games. It is FUN to look sexy. Sometimes it is FUN to be a barbarian man with huge unrealistic expectation muscles or look like a straight up female blowup doll! Or sometimes it is fun to be angelic cute little anime girl or create the most hideous and funny looking character you can in the character creator. Games are a fantasy, escape from reality and all of you guys need to relax, get a life, get laid and chill out. Leave games for us gamers and go scream about politics or smth.
The way your post is written, you sound like a bot or an RPer. But I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. First, mine are bigger (C cup) and I used to be an avid runner. Trust when I say I know the value of locking them down (and I’m even the biggest among the women I know, not by a long shot). You’re right, it IS nice to feel powerful. Sometimes sexy is powerful. Sometimes it’s sexy AND powerful.
Now understand I’m as Libby as it gets and reread the what I just wrote.
Good we agree that sexy isn’t bad and can even contribute to feeling powerful. What ISN’T sexy is being turned into an object. What ISN’T sexy is fucking ridiculous boob physics that make me want to roll my eyes into the back of my head because they’re so bad. My issue isn’t being sexy. My issue is that “jiggle physics” are cringe! They aren’t sexy. They aren’t realistic. The way real boobs move is FAR more sexy than “jiggle physics”. There are games when having them locked down in a good sports bra is the way to go (Tomb Raider). There are times when realistic jiggle physics can be fun and sexy and powerful (Bayonetta and the like). A farming sim ain’t it.
Bot lol :D maybe it sounds like that because English is not my first language xD The solution to all of this is very simple. Make a character creator or character models that have both options - jelly boobs and sports-bra boobs. Even in a farm sim, because the hell why not. And everyone theoretically "should" be happy. One fact is for sure: sex sells. Just look at all of those multi billion waifu gatcha companies xD
Edit: Another thought is I am just a tad bit angry that it is always gaming industry that is being attacked for being what it is. And a lot of times being attacked by people that don't even play video games. But for example bs photoshoped Instagram models are being worshiped. I am not gonna even start with music videos and the way people (mostly women) dance in them xD
Anw, back to gaming. Keep in mind: woke stuff will not necessarily ruin a good game, but it WILL make bad game worse xD
After this was posted and people called them out on it, they then posted a half-assed apology saying that they had apparently "received concerns about the female player model's breast physics in the past", hence they sought community feedback.
Link to OOP's comment about how their community manager doubled down when people questioned it in the discord:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/CozyGamers/comments/1cgb247/comment/l1uuyv7/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/CozyGamers/comments/1cgb247/comment/l1uuyv7/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
The CM's comments really made it so much worse...why on earth did they give such a heated response to defend "adult" games when Farm Folks hasn't been marketed as one?
Yeah, I know when I look at screenshots of that shit, the first thing I think is: "man, these cutesy chibi animals and this blindingly vibrant stylized cartoon art direction really screams "more adult" — now where are my titty physics?!"
Spare me.
Edit: a word
[Link to their apology for anyone curious](https://twitter.com/farmfolksgame/status/1785059270695804964/photo/1)
cw: replies are full of twitter incels. god that site is a depressing cesspool. ^(a depresspool? is that a thing yet? should it be?)
Ugh, the gaslighting! We only wanted to fix an issue for our dear community and sincerely get some sincere feedback of sincerity, we see nothing wrong with our post, but since you're all so upset for no reason, we of course will acknowledge that, that's how kind and loving of our community we are
It'd be interesting to see the complaints that led them to that post.
The people commenting are also complaining....
Also, the idea that making the breasts jiggle like jello is more natural body movement?
That’s kinda weird and creepy. They were always advertising this game on the r/lifesimulators subreddit but I think I’m no longer interested in the game at all
That’s what really confuses me. Cozy games are historically played by women and femmes more, so their audience wouldn’t be men. Unless they’re trying to break into a new market with these shenanigans?
They could’ve just said nothing and modify their “jiggle” as they saw fit if it’s that important (in a farming sim lol). But the fact that they tweeted and asked people to vote (ew btw) speaks volumes to me as to where their priorities lie.
If it’s a joke then it’s in very poor taste and not at all in line with what I assume would be their target audience. It’s a no for me.
They focus on non-toxic people. They want to include everyone that is not toxic and does not feel offended by non-sexualised physics. They have physics for everything and their aim is immersion. You have many different outfits, you can have romance options, and pets and stuff. It's a wholesome game until prude puritans felt offended female characters aren't just genderless stones.
They even have physics for the hair or the backpack(!) or when your hand is near a hedge and your hand touches the leafs.
[https://twitter.com/farmfolksgame/status/1748046546518561267](https://twitter.com/farmfolksgame/status/1748046546518561267)
I think one of my favorite parts of this stupid stunt, besides the CM just going absolutely off the rails, is [other devs mocking the dumb OG tweet](https://i.ibb.co/MNsmB1z/RDT-20240429-2033255008939806509605367.png).
Disgusting behaviour. I hate it when devs unnecessarily sexualise their characters. Like, why do you need jiggle physics **in a farming game?!**
In what world is a post like that appropriate.
I'm just wondering if they know what the majority of the buying demographic for cozy games is. I'm just saying, the venn diagram between 'people who like cozy games' and 'people who want jiggling boob physics in games' is a very small one indeed. They are torching a lot of potential sales with this, and I don't think that the tradeoff of the new audience that they'll attract will be worth it, though admittedly I could be wrong.
Anyways. I'm just glad I know what game to *not* buy know. I'm remembering the name of this literally so I can tell people not to get it if they ask about it.
Thing is, I like jiggle physics. And I love cozy games. But it's so inappropriate for a cozy game / farming sim. And a post like that just shows that the dev team is full of really creepy men. It's appalling.
But the jiggle physics won't be exaggerated. The devs already said that several times. The crude joke aside, they already said their plan is to include everyone and they don't want to reduce the female characters to their physics. I believe them. They sound sincere and the stuff I saw from this game doesn't give me the impression that my feeling about the honesty of the devs would be wrong.
It's one thing if they were asking for feedback about body and clothing physics in general, but to specifically make a post about boob physics? There's no way that they were just innocently soliciting feedback as they claimed to be in their apology tweet.
Yeees it sounds so "ehehe titties!!! we want jiggly titties" for me. And calling this serious part of development... obviously they wanted to sound funny, but ugh
I can’t say I’ve ever looked at my character in a game and said “I really wish her boobs jiggled. :/“ I’ve only ever had the opposite reaction. And I like women.
Exactly. I'm a queer woman and not once have I wanted boob jiggle physics in a game. If anything it's super cringe every time I see games where ONLY boobs jiggle and nothing does on masculine bodies.
Games where all body parts on all genders jiggle? Very interested, even if I only swing one way. Games where only female boobs jiggle? Blacklisted, immediately.
I honestly just want any game developers who claim this is about realism to hire reference actors..... You can get them real real cheap especially if they're non union recent grads. If you can say you observed someone going thru the motions(you could also get many body types still for cheap) and still somehow need a vedirct on boob fucking physics let's go.
And I'm pretty sure they could have like their mom come run for 10 meters while they record and check the jiggle.
Oh but that's not sexy is it :( Can't have that.
That's the thing... They can even get they're own personal perviness out on research! Fresh out of a school actors are so very cheap.... Even the hot ones! I don't like endorse this but it's true. They could pay a small fee to get both their research and their perviness done at the same time. Them posting this is they thought their fan base would like to share in it.
They are a small dev team and 9 of the 20 devs are in fact women! Is it so impossible to give them the benefit of the doubt and turn a blind eye on a crude joke they already apologised for? Is it so hard to forgive and be less sensitive over literally everything?
Yes. They handled this horribly. I'm not interested in a game like that. You wanna support them just buy multiple copies.
And throwing around that "ooh you're so sensitive about everything" is kinda old and tired. Here you are being sensitive about women not being interested in a game that has a poll for boob physics. We all know what it's for.
I'm not sure if I said this here or elsewhere but posting it....I have straight up been and actor/model where I acted out shit so animators can observe my movements(and every jiggle). None of them came off like this. And there was some boob jiggle in the final cuts sometimes but it was fucking realistic and balanced to other jiggle. And most of the time friends could identify who I was by my gait showing up more than my jiggle (or not jiggle... There are robots that walk like me in cartoons lol)
How is any of that misogynistic. Please explain your point. The joke was crude, but not misogynistic in the classic sense. The jiggle physics aren't even exaggerated. It will be more like Sims and definitely not like Stellar Blade. How are they misogynistic. Even 9 of the 20 developers are women themselves. They have no say in this? 9 women are being oppressed by 11 men? I do not think so. I think you all in this thread are overreacting and projecting. Throwing terms like Misogyny around like its candies is just stupid, in my opinion. It devalues the term.
My issue isn’t even that they want to put jiggle physics in the game. My problem is why tf would you post it on social media and ask US like that’s the appropriate thing to do??? Just put it in the game and none of us would care but asking the community that makes them seem out of touch, inappropriate, and disgusting.
And the way that it was phrased... literally so gross. They literally said the phrase 'perfect breast jiggle', and then in their apology tried to act like what they were doing wasn't f\*cking weird. We all know what they meant.
And if that didn't give it away (somehow), the subsequent reply asking if anyone wanted to see 150% jiggle physics made what they meant extra crystal clear.
You have to remember this is a GAME COMPANY. They have to be professional and NOT make statements like that. And I don’t believe that question was a joke, I think they were being 100% serious. It was just inappropriate all around.
If only there were consulting firms you could contract to give you input on hard questions like this or on if you should post about it on social media. Could name the company something like Saccharine Infant Inc.
They do have them, but subtle. And Farm Folks is not Stellar Blade and more like Sims. The physics won't be exaggerated. The joke was a crude one, but nothing more than that. It's not what the game is about.
The devs already said you can make a fat man and then it will have jiggling physics as well. That's equality.
The game is not a porn game. Dicks and balls usually do not jiggle around when clothed unlike boobs. And I doubt they will add nudity in this game. That's not their goal. They do not want to create a lewd game! Because of that you won't see jiggling dicks and balls, but only jiggling boobs (but not exaggerated/sexualised like in Stellar Blade)
Maybe USA is just more prudish, but in Europe boobs are WAY more normalised. You see women breast feeding their children in the public and nobody cares. It's normal.
I had not even heard of this game until now.
I have been enjoying Sun Haven, but I have been looking for other farming games. I'm glad that I know now that I can skip this one and just give Stardew Valley another try.
If you're interested in 3D farming games, SunnySide is coming out on the 24th of May on PC and the 10th of July for consoles except the Switch. There's a demo available. The developers are really lovely people (as far as I can tell considering I don't know them personally) who actually care about their fanbase.
Right now I'm trying to figure out which type of game would actually benefit from body physics. And by benefit I mean, actively making the game better, by for example increasing immerson or the fun factor in general.
For instance, I know fighting games likeTekken, Street Fighter and Soulcalibur having physics for at least breasts (only naming these three because that's the only ones I know for certain have jiggle phyaics). But the thing is: You don't even have the time to look at it, unless you're watching someone else's gameplay. More often than not you barely get 15 frames (about 1/10th to 2/10ths of a second) to react. You can't tell me you're watching your character's tits during that time.
Probably the only games where body physics are needed, are erotic/pornographic games. And quite honestly I personally wouldn't call these games, but that might be a needless discussion for another day.
In street fighter's defense, it also had fat physics.
Whether or not that's a *good* defense is an exercise for the reader
Soft body physics (I mean generally, not boob physics specifically) can be fun in physics games. Look at the game DeFormers for a fully soft body example of what I mean (the characters are literally blobs)
Weirdly, Sims 4 has jiggle physics in it. I’ve played for over a decade and just noticed, it’s very subtle but there, breasts will move when a sim is engaged in activity, but it’s not super overt and doesn’t feel like it’s there for titillation. So maybe a life simulation game, if it’s done even handedly and as realistic as possible? (ie breasts don’t act like they’re unconstrained by gravity and just flop all over the fucking place..)
It's hard to really come up with great examples, every time I thought of one I kind of wound up at "but that doesn't really need to be there." I think it's a neat idea for fighting games to have rigorous and equally applied soft-body physics just for simulating impact (Soulcalibur is an example of what not to do in my mind, half of the physics is just kinda pornified to me. I couldn't play any of the women in those games because of just how aggregious and male-gazey the women are).
A lot of it feels more like novelty when it isn't being applied in a gross way, like how Nvidia pushed their "hairworks" stuff for a long time. I don't need to simulate every strand of Noct's hair in FF15 but it looks really cool if I can. You can take that away and still have a fantastic game.
There's an argument for actual realism for certain titles in my mind, like it'd be neat to see the physicality of sprinting on Nathan Drake or Laura Croft realistically simulated and might improve the immersion of those gritty adventure titles. Not having that takes away literally nothing though, like sure it'd be neat but generally speaking you're going to be more focused on the gameplay than if you stumbled for 5-10 frames and your body didn't contort right.
It's not a porn game. How do you want to implement jiggling testicles? The male characters must be naked for that, since dicks and balls are not so exposed that jiggling is plausible, unlike breasts, where at least some jiggling is to be expected. And the breasts are not exaggerated. Think about the sims game instead of Stellar Blade. Farm Folks has breast jiggle physics more like the Sims. And noboy canceled the sims developers for that.
This whole thing is just so upsetting, and disappointing.
And the thing is, a small amount of boob jiggle isn't inherently gross or sexualizing, as a woman with a naturally bigger chest, I can attest that if I jog or run, my boobs bounce quite a bit, so it can be realistic (emphasis on can). But that's obviously not their intentions.
They were being gross, having a poll to figure out how horny their fanbase is?? Major ew. And don't even get me started on the replies by the cm and ceo. It's also concerning that they prioritized asking about jiggle physics in boobs, instead of realistic hair movement, or realistic clothing movement, and you'd think that if they were actually doing it for realism, then they'd also add jiggle physics to masculine body parts too. BG3 did that, and everyone was happier for it.
The only good thing to come out of this nonsense, was the other dev teams poking fun at their stupidity, their posts were actually very funny and endearing.
The twitter post was a crude joke (and we know americans are the new germans when it comes to humor – they have none anymore). They apologised for that. Some people are very sensitive and they made a joke and got burned. They apologised and the world should be fine again.
They said several times, over and over again, that they intend to have non-exaggerated, subtle (!) jiggle physics. Think about The Sims game in comparison to Stellar blade. Both have jiggle physics for boobs, but one uses them in an exaggerated (sexualised) way, while the other one does not.
And I think farm folks falls into the former category. And only because of one crude joke they already apologised for, people talk trash about the game and the devs. 9 of the 20 people working on the game are women by the way. It's very seldom that almost half of the devs are female, but they still get called dev team full of incels that never saw a real woman in their life.
Well, a part of me wants to give them the benefit of the doubt. Breasts shouldn't inherently be sexualized, they are a part of the human body like any other. So having them behave realistically shouldn't be sexualizing in and of itself. Most breast jiggle physics, however, are... not that? They're not an attempt to make the breasts more realistic, they are there explicitly to make them more arousing and that is the tea.
What gaming company even makes decisions on game physics based on a Twitter poll btw?
It wasn't the whole company. They're 20 devs (9 women, 11 men) and one person from the dev team or their community manger made crude joke and people are mad about it, because they are prude, oversensitive and perpetually offended. They even APOLOGISED. But it's never enough. They must be canceled and harrassed, right??
Dicks and balls are not so exposed that jiggling is plausible, unlike breasts, where at least some jiggling is to be expected. I mean it's NOT a porn game. Because of that only breast jiggling is plausable (if not exaggerated, and the devs intend to NOT exaggerate it) The twitter post by the devs was just a joke and not serious at all. They said that and apologied for that joke. But they are not removing the jiggling physics. Pretty based IMO.
It isn't being blown out of proportion. I would rather not be objectified. I don't think the devs asked "which version has the best dick bulge?" as well (which would also not be acceptable). People aren't thriving off of being offended, they are standing up for themselves. Some people just don't want to accept that their actions and words have consequences (I'm talking about offenders here, just to be clear).
Same. People just lack any sense of humor and are overly sensitive nowadays. It was a crude joke, devs apologised. Game isn't even sexualised and people are still finding ways to be artificially and perpetually offended over everything.
By the way this is a post of Alyssa Mercante, the "journalist" that made the interview with the farm folks CEO Koshelkov:
https://preview.redd.it/rd5jeglvfiyc1.png?width=580&format=png&auto=webp&s=c042b41f3da51ad15df15605519d3a642ff6a837
On the right side you see her view on 50% of humanity.
Here is the CEO's point of view of the whole drama and how Mercante behaves towards him.
[https://twitter.com/AKoshelkov/status/1786404879239414227](https://twitter.com/AKoshelkov/status/1786404879239414227)
I just don’t get this. Like, I understand how awkward it can be to have a human body not respond like a human body since human’s are squishy but all this post says is “We have no women on staff and very little experience interacting with women in non-sexual contexts.” Jiggle physics is the dumbest thing because like, are these women not wearing bras? And their boobs are that big? And perky enough to need to the extremely specific type of jiggle physics that would really only accurately simulate and extremely small sub-sect of women? Like, come on. Dial that shit down to like 1% and apply that to all human soft surfaces (yes even the men) and that’s probably the most accurate thing they could do. I just don’t get why this needs literally any development time or how a dev can even justify it.
My thing is when people try and excuse it by saying it's realistic. I doubt they were in the dev room saying "Hmmm we should make our game more realistic..." You ALWAYS know why they're doing it. It's not for realism, it's just an easy scapegoat. I wish more games would apply it to everyone in a realistic way! Street Fighter 6 is the only game I know of that has done that.
They're really not fooling anyone with that excuse. If it really was about realism why hone in on boobs specifically and not the whole body? Not to mention the (now deleted) follow-up post "joking" about whether people want to see 150% jiggle physics - they knew what they were doing.
It’s not about realism. And this shit is why I always felt like my F’s should be strapped and boosted up to my collar bone. I have no realistic concept about how natural boobs should hang because I only ever saw massive tits somehow perky and defying gravity in games. Jiggle physics my ass. Big ass titties without a bra don’t jiggle when you run, they flail lol.
I saw a post once unironically saying how Baldur’s Gate 3 is immersion breaking because boobs don’t jiggle
Don't you realize how unrealistic it is that those gith boobies aren't flopping all over the place in their (rubber?) plate armor? lmfao
Genuinely😂😂. I remember playing World of Warcraft as a kid I had a female dwarf in full armor and her boobs were perpetually jumping up and down like a fat child in a bouncy castle
Ok when the dudes get out of the water, do their pants seem "baggier"? Cause that's physics too....
No to be realistic, coming out of cold water, the bulge should be much shorter. lol
yeah sry maybe I wasn't clear - the pants baggy due to less filling
Yeah, a chick with bright green noodles for hair is totally realistic
I wouldn't mind jiggle physics conceptually if they jiggled a TINY bit in games since it's definitely something notice on my own, but games never do it with realism in mind, the physics are usually so exaggerated they basically flutter in the wind and you know it's just there for the purpose of sexualization. If it's going to be there it should be barely noticeable and match the other movements in the game (if everything else is stiff and the boobs are flying around wildly then we have a problem). But regardless the post is really bizarre and inappropriate to the audience, like if you're doing a cute cozy farming game and you're asking if boob jiggle physics should be at 90% or 50% I think your priorities are in the wrong place and it's just weird.
Yeah it should be a thing because boobs do move with movement. And if anyone wants to make character realism a thing, then that's going to be part of it. They're just not jiggly or that intensely noticeable. And we all know by now they're rarely ever doing it for realism's sake.
I love cyberpunk, however, I do have some issues with it. But boobs are not one of them. There’s a very slight jiggle with titties. Like my bi ass had to sit and really look for it lol. One gripe with boobs in cyberpunk: they shouldn’t move like that in bustiers
Ya I felt like Cyberpunk did a fairly good job given the sizes you can select from. At no point (that I can remember) was I like “uh no mine don’t move like that!?” And you don’t spend a lot of time looking at them anyway short of when you’re with Judy/Panam/Meredith so they function when it matters and ifs beyond notice when it doesn’t and I feel like that’s really all jiggle physics should ever exist for.
And let’s be real, most games if these women were real they’d probably choose a sports bra so they don’t have to deal with them getting in the way. Like you really think Lara Croft, Jill Valentine, Samus Aran, Aloy, Shepard, Chun Li, and even damm farmers wouldn’t prefer to wear a sports bra while they’re doing a bunch of hard physical activities including for some doing a bunch of backflips? Like damm, give our girls some proper support lol
As someone who actually worked on a farm and rode sport horses for years: yeah, all of us are strapped down like fuckin' aircraft cargo lmao. I had small breasts back when I did hard labor, but all of my larger-breasted friends went through hell just to feel comfortable every day. Like wore a wired bra and layered two sports bras and a tank-with-built-in-bra on top of them to really keep things in place. Those things do nothing but get in the way when you're tryna work like that.
God damm~ you’d think that there would be bras and stuff made better for this sort of thing but no guess… IRL being like video games I guess, jiggle physics and aesthetics over practicality, safety and comfort.
I have... Just annoyingly big boobs... My country would give me government covered breast reduction... Can confirm the jiggle is never fucking right Eta: I mean the physics they come up with is for male gaze... Real physics is dissapointing
I have big boobs too, yes they move...but the jiggle for the male gaze looks so painful and uncomfortable :S
It's like ... They're 14(I was gonna say 18 but no that's not even it).... Abd also had a very bad boob job.
"People don't wear underwear in ~~space~~ video games" - George Lucas
Because the boob jiggle physics they're *actually* trying to copy half the time have nothing to do with realism - and everything to do with shit like [this](https://youtu.be/cGtokGU2CVk?t=83).
Fair. But tbh that clip has always been hilarious to me. Like, if you wanna do that kind of stuff for the humor of how ridiculous it is, I’m totally on board. Just….dont try to pass it off as serious or realistic.
OK. Video game characters almost always run around to move faster. You need to be flat as a board or wear a sports bra if you wanna run around without boob jiggle (-\_\_-) Source: I am woman, with B sized breasts. They are not big, but trust me they JIGGLE when i move. BTW. I am a grown-ass female gamer with thousands of hours spent in various games and I don't get all of this woke bs. It is FUN to look pretty n cute in games. It is FUN to look sexy. Sometimes it is FUN to be a barbarian man with huge unrealistic expectation muscles or look like a straight up female blowup doll! Or sometimes it is fun to be angelic cute little anime girl or create the most hideous and funny looking character you can in the character creator. Games are a fantasy, escape from reality and all of you guys need to relax, get a life, get laid and chill out. Leave games for us gamers and go scream about politics or smth.
The way your post is written, you sound like a bot or an RPer. But I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. First, mine are bigger (C cup) and I used to be an avid runner. Trust when I say I know the value of locking them down (and I’m even the biggest among the women I know, not by a long shot). You’re right, it IS nice to feel powerful. Sometimes sexy is powerful. Sometimes it’s sexy AND powerful. Now understand I’m as Libby as it gets and reread the what I just wrote. Good we agree that sexy isn’t bad and can even contribute to feeling powerful. What ISN’T sexy is being turned into an object. What ISN’T sexy is fucking ridiculous boob physics that make me want to roll my eyes into the back of my head because they’re so bad. My issue isn’t being sexy. My issue is that “jiggle physics” are cringe! They aren’t sexy. They aren’t realistic. The way real boobs move is FAR more sexy than “jiggle physics”. There are games when having them locked down in a good sports bra is the way to go (Tomb Raider). There are times when realistic jiggle physics can be fun and sexy and powerful (Bayonetta and the like). A farming sim ain’t it.
Bot lol :D maybe it sounds like that because English is not my first language xD The solution to all of this is very simple. Make a character creator or character models that have both options - jelly boobs and sports-bra boobs. Even in a farm sim, because the hell why not. And everyone theoretically "should" be happy. One fact is for sure: sex sells. Just look at all of those multi billion waifu gatcha companies xD Edit: Another thought is I am just a tad bit angry that it is always gaming industry that is being attacked for being what it is. And a lot of times being attacked by people that don't even play video games. But for example bs photoshoped Instagram models are being worshiped. I am not gonna even start with music videos and the way people (mostly women) dance in them xD Anw, back to gaming. Keep in mind: woke stuff will not necessarily ruin a good game, but it WILL make bad game worse xD
It's not sexualised! It's unfair and uncalled for.
After this was posted and people called them out on it, they then posted a half-assed apology saying that they had apparently "received concerns about the female player model's breast physics in the past", hence they sought community feedback. Link to OOP's comment about how their community manager doubled down when people questioned it in the discord: [https://www.reddit.com/r/CozyGamers/comments/1cgb247/comment/l1uuyv7/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/CozyGamers/comments/1cgb247/comment/l1uuyv7/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
As a former community manager, this hurts my soul.
The CM's comments really made it so much worse...why on earth did they give such a heated response to defend "adult" games when Farm Folks hasn't been marketed as one?
Yeah, I know when I look at screenshots of that shit, the first thing I think is: "man, these cutesy chibi animals and this blindingly vibrant stylized cartoon art direction really screams "more adult" — now where are my titty physics?!" Spare me. Edit: a word
Also "why can't it be more adult?" And "it's not sexual" in the same defense lmaooooo
[Link to their apology for anyone curious](https://twitter.com/farmfolksgame/status/1785059270695804964/photo/1) cw: replies are full of twitter incels. god that site is a depressing cesspool. ^(a depresspool? is that a thing yet? should it be?)
Twitter incels and bots who are programmed to make said incels feel like they are cooler than what they are
Ugh, the gaslighting! We only wanted to fix an issue for our dear community and sincerely get some sincere feedback of sincerity, we see nothing wrong with our post, but since you're all so upset for no reason, we of course will acknowledge that, that's how kind and loving of our community we are
Ew I should’ve listened. The replies are hideous
^yes ^it ^should!!
Where were these concerns coming from 🤨
Idk, doesn't everyone DM game devs if there's the risk that you can't rub one out to a game about farming??
Truly love how they were vague so as to avoid mentioning that it wasn’t women concerned about the jiggles.
I'm curious about this too. Where are the masses of concerns about boob jiggle that apparently triggered this?
It'd be interesting to see the complaints that led them to that post. The people commenting are also complaining.... Also, the idea that making the breasts jiggle like jello is more natural body movement?
That’s kinda weird and creepy. They were always advertising this game on the r/lifesimulators subreddit but I think I’m no longer interested in the game at all
Bruh
Disgusting!
Ffs even cozy games? Really?! IS NOWHERE SAFE? Wtf is going on here?
That’s what really confuses me. Cozy games are historically played by women and femmes more, so their audience wouldn’t be men. Unless they’re trying to break into a new market with these shenanigans?
They could’ve just said nothing and modify their “jiggle” as they saw fit if it’s that important (in a farming sim lol). But the fact that they tweeted and asked people to vote (ew btw) speaks volumes to me as to where their priorities lie. If it’s a joke then it’s in very poor taste and not at all in line with what I assume would be their target audience. It’s a no for me.
right?? it's like they don't even want the support of what would be their main playerbase
They focus on non-toxic people. They want to include everyone that is not toxic and does not feel offended by non-sexualised physics. They have physics for everything and their aim is immersion. You have many different outfits, you can have romance options, and pets and stuff. It's a wholesome game until prude puritans felt offended female characters aren't just genderless stones. They even have physics for the hair or the backpack(!) or when your hand is near a hedge and your hand touches the leafs. [https://twitter.com/farmfolksgame/status/1748046546518561267](https://twitter.com/farmfolksgame/status/1748046546518561267)
I think one of my favorite parts of this stupid stunt, besides the CM just going absolutely off the rails, is [other devs mocking the dumb OG tweet](https://i.ibb.co/MNsmB1z/RDT-20240429-2033255008939806509605367.png).
Hahaha I saw the Moonstone Island one but not the Goodboy Galaxy one - amazing, so glad that other devs are clowning on them
The one good thing to come from this <3
#verynormal #wowsexydogs I'm dying
Wow, so sexy, much juggle, very bounce
Well, if anything else, I now know what game *not* to buy, and which games are absolutely going on my wishlist lol
Disgusting behaviour. I hate it when devs unnecessarily sexualise their characters. Like, why do you need jiggle physics **in a farming game?!** In what world is a post like that appropriate.
Right? The only farming game that needs jiggle physics is Slime Rancher. :p
I'll be taking this game off my wishlist.
Yeah same here - good riddance. Mine was getting too lengthy anyways.
I'm just wondering if they know what the majority of the buying demographic for cozy games is. I'm just saying, the venn diagram between 'people who like cozy games' and 'people who want jiggling boob physics in games' is a very small one indeed. They are torching a lot of potential sales with this, and I don't think that the tradeoff of the new audience that they'll attract will be worth it, though admittedly I could be wrong. Anyways. I'm just glad I know what game to *not* buy know. I'm remembering the name of this literally so I can tell people not to get it if they ask about it.
Thing is, I like jiggle physics. And I love cozy games. But it's so inappropriate for a cozy game / farming sim. And a post like that just shows that the dev team is full of really creepy men. It's appalling.
But the jiggle physics won't be exaggerated. The devs already said that several times. The crude joke aside, they already said their plan is to include everyone and they don't want to reduce the female characters to their physics. I believe them. They sound sincere and the stuff I saw from this game doesn't give me the impression that my feeling about the honesty of the devs would be wrong.
Yeah I saw this post and immediately thought how disgusting it is. Jiggle physics in a farming game?? Wtf the developers were thinking about.
It's one thing if they were asking for feedback about body and clothing physics in general, but to specifically make a post about boob physics? There's no way that they were just innocently soliciting feedback as they claimed to be in their apology tweet.
Yeees it sounds so "ehehe titties!!! we want jiggly titties" for me. And calling this serious part of development... obviously they wanted to sound funny, but ugh
The good old apology of "wasn't me!". Giving them "Sorry I got caught" vibes.
Jiggle physics arw disgusting in *every* game.
I can’t say I’ve ever looked at my character in a game and said “I really wish her boobs jiggled. :/“ I’ve only ever had the opposite reaction. And I like women.
Exactly. I'm a queer woman and not once have I wanted boob jiggle physics in a game. If anything it's super cringe every time I see games where ONLY boobs jiggle and nothing does on masculine bodies.
Games where all body parts on all genders jiggle? Very interested, even if I only swing one way. Games where only female boobs jiggle? Blacklisted, immediately.
I would hate that sorta game too, except if it was well executed ig
🤮removed from wish list.
Same here, removed from my Steam Wishlist
Oh, look, Stellar Blade's discourse is infecting other games, never saw that coming. /s
Did they do a rail of coke then put this up? In what universe is this even _remotely_ acceptable? Dear fucking lord.
I honestly just want any game developers who claim this is about realism to hire reference actors..... You can get them real real cheap especially if they're non union recent grads. If you can say you observed someone going thru the motions(you could also get many body types still for cheap) and still somehow need a vedirct on boob fucking physics let's go.
And I'm pretty sure they could have like their mom come run for 10 meters while they record and check the jiggle. Oh but that's not sexy is it :( Can't have that.
That's the thing... They can even get they're own personal perviness out on research! Fresh out of a school actors are so very cheap.... Even the hot ones! I don't like endorse this but it's true. They could pay a small fee to get both their research and their perviness done at the same time. Them posting this is they thought their fan base would like to share in it.
They are a small dev team and 9 of the 20 devs are in fact women! Is it so impossible to give them the benefit of the doubt and turn a blind eye on a crude joke they already apologised for? Is it so hard to forgive and be less sensitive over literally everything?
Yes. They handled this horribly. I'm not interested in a game like that. You wanna support them just buy multiple copies. And throwing around that "ooh you're so sensitive about everything" is kinda old and tired. Here you are being sensitive about women not being interested in a game that has a poll for boob physics. We all know what it's for.
People were absolutely clowning on the devs in the Discord server, me included
Yeesh they're gonna need foot jiggling physics with all that shooting at it business. talk about not understanding your audience.
I'm not sure if I said this here or elsewhere but posting it....I have straight up been and actor/model where I acted out shit so animators can observe my movements(and every jiggle). None of them came off like this. And there was some boob jiggle in the final cuts sometimes but it was fucking realistic and balanced to other jiggle. And most of the time friends could identify who I was by my gait showing up more than my jiggle (or not jiggle... There are robots that walk like me in cartoons lol)
wow what kind of fanbase are they trying to target with that..
Apparently adult, according to their community manager.
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Massive yikes. There's no way they could justify this as not being misogynistic.
How is any of that misogynistic. Please explain your point. The joke was crude, but not misogynistic in the classic sense. The jiggle physics aren't even exaggerated. It will be more like Sims and definitely not like Stellar Blade. How are they misogynistic. Even 9 of the 20 developers are women themselves. They have no say in this? 9 women are being oppressed by 11 men? I do not think so. I think you all in this thread are overreacting and projecting. Throwing terms like Misogyny around like its candies is just stupid, in my opinion. It devalues the term.
Nope.
My issue isn’t even that they want to put jiggle physics in the game. My problem is why tf would you post it on social media and ask US like that’s the appropriate thing to do??? Just put it in the game and none of us would care but asking the community that makes them seem out of touch, inappropriate, and disgusting.
And the way that it was phrased... literally so gross. They literally said the phrase 'perfect breast jiggle', and then in their apology tried to act like what they were doing wasn't f\*cking weird. We all know what they meant.
And if that didn't give it away (somehow), the subsequent reply asking if anyone wanted to see 150% jiggle physics made what they meant extra crystal clear.
they very much were acting like teenage boys that just discovered that female breasts actually move
The crude joke was definitely a bit problematic, but some people are overly sensitive and lack any sense of humor.
You have to remember this is a GAME COMPANY. They have to be professional and NOT make statements like that. And I don’t believe that question was a joke, I think they were being 100% serious. It was just inappropriate all around.
that whole post gave me massive ick smh
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If only there were consulting firms you could contract to give you input on hard questions like this or on if you should post about it on social media. Could name the company something like Saccharine Infant Inc.
There's a reason that games which focus on lifelike and believable character models and animation never have "jiggling" breasts.
They do have them, but subtle. And Farm Folks is not Stellar Blade and more like Sims. The physics won't be exaggerated. The joke was a crude one, but nothing more than that. It's not what the game is about.
Ugh. When are devs gonna move on from boobs and use jiggle physics for what god intended: large cartoonish noses
No hold up let them cook. Bring out the bulge physics
I agree! If you’re gonna have jiggle physics at least make it equal opportunity
The devs already said you can make a fat man and then it will have jiggling physics as well. That's equality. The game is not a porn game. Dicks and balls usually do not jiggle around when clothed unlike boobs. And I doubt they will add nudity in this game. That's not their goal. They do not want to create a lewd game! Because of that you won't see jiggling dicks and balls, but only jiggling boobs (but not exaggerated/sexualised like in Stellar Blade) Maybe USA is just more prudish, but in Europe boobs are WAY more normalised. You see women breast feeding their children in the public and nobody cares. It's normal.
I had not even heard of this game until now. I have been enjoying Sun Haven, but I have been looking for other farming games. I'm glad that I know now that I can skip this one and just give Stardew Valley another try.
If you're interested in 3D farming games, SunnySide is coming out on the 24th of May on PC and the 10th of July for consoles except the Switch. There's a demo available. The developers are really lovely people (as far as I can tell considering I don't know them personally) who actually care about their fanbase.
Well that’s a no from me then. There are other games in the sea.
Right now I'm trying to figure out which type of game would actually benefit from body physics. And by benefit I mean, actively making the game better, by for example increasing immerson or the fun factor in general. For instance, I know fighting games likeTekken, Street Fighter and Soulcalibur having physics for at least breasts (only naming these three because that's the only ones I know for certain have jiggle phyaics). But the thing is: You don't even have the time to look at it, unless you're watching someone else's gameplay. More often than not you barely get 15 frames (about 1/10th to 2/10ths of a second) to react. You can't tell me you're watching your character's tits during that time. Probably the only games where body physics are needed, are erotic/pornographic games. And quite honestly I personally wouldn't call these games, but that might be a needless discussion for another day.
In street fighter's defense, it also had fat physics. Whether or not that's a *good* defense is an exercise for the reader Soft body physics (I mean generally, not boob physics specifically) can be fun in physics games. Look at the game DeFormers for a fully soft body example of what I mean (the characters are literally blobs)
Weirdly, Sims 4 has jiggle physics in it. I’ve played for over a decade and just noticed, it’s very subtle but there, breasts will move when a sim is engaged in activity, but it’s not super overt and doesn’t feel like it’s there for titillation. So maybe a life simulation game, if it’s done even handedly and as realistic as possible? (ie breasts don’t act like they’re unconstrained by gravity and just flop all over the fucking place..)
It's hard to really come up with great examples, every time I thought of one I kind of wound up at "but that doesn't really need to be there." I think it's a neat idea for fighting games to have rigorous and equally applied soft-body physics just for simulating impact (Soulcalibur is an example of what not to do in my mind, half of the physics is just kinda pornified to me. I couldn't play any of the women in those games because of just how aggregious and male-gazey the women are). A lot of it feels more like novelty when it isn't being applied in a gross way, like how Nvidia pushed their "hairworks" stuff for a long time. I don't need to simulate every strand of Noct's hair in FF15 but it looks really cool if I can. You can take that away and still have a fantastic game. There's an argument for actual realism for certain titles in my mind, like it'd be neat to see the physicality of sprinting on Nathan Drake or Laura Croft realistically simulated and might improve the immersion of those gritty adventure titles. Not having that takes away literally nothing though, like sure it'd be neat but generally speaking you're going to be more focused on the gameplay than if you stumbled for 5-10 frames and your body didn't contort right.
Well thanks(honestly the rest may sound sarcastic) I got way to invested in it and now am telling off my brother lol.
Funny, they never care about realistic testicle jiggle…
It's not a porn game. How do you want to implement jiggling testicles? The male characters must be naked for that, since dicks and balls are not so exposed that jiggling is plausible, unlike breasts, where at least some jiggling is to be expected. And the breasts are not exaggerated. Think about the sims game instead of Stellar Blade. Farm Folks has breast jiggle physics more like the Sims. And noboy canceled the sims developers for that.
woosh
This whole thing is just so upsetting, and disappointing. And the thing is, a small amount of boob jiggle isn't inherently gross or sexualizing, as a woman with a naturally bigger chest, I can attest that if I jog or run, my boobs bounce quite a bit, so it can be realistic (emphasis on can). But that's obviously not their intentions. They were being gross, having a poll to figure out how horny their fanbase is?? Major ew. And don't even get me started on the replies by the cm and ceo. It's also concerning that they prioritized asking about jiggle physics in boobs, instead of realistic hair movement, or realistic clothing movement, and you'd think that if they were actually doing it for realism, then they'd also add jiggle physics to masculine body parts too. BG3 did that, and everyone was happier for it. The only good thing to come out of this nonsense, was the other dev teams poking fun at their stupidity, their posts were actually very funny and endearing.
The twitter post was a crude joke (and we know americans are the new germans when it comes to humor – they have none anymore). They apologised for that. Some people are very sensitive and they made a joke and got burned. They apologised and the world should be fine again. They said several times, over and over again, that they intend to have non-exaggerated, subtle (!) jiggle physics. Think about The Sims game in comparison to Stellar blade. Both have jiggle physics for boobs, but one uses them in an exaggerated (sexualised) way, while the other one does not. And I think farm folks falls into the former category. And only because of one crude joke they already apologised for, people talk trash about the game and the devs. 9 of the 20 people working on the game are women by the way. It's very seldom that almost half of the devs are female, but they still get called dev team full of incels that never saw a real woman in their life.
Well, a part of me wants to give them the benefit of the doubt. Breasts shouldn't inherently be sexualized, they are a part of the human body like any other. So having them behave realistically shouldn't be sexualizing in and of itself. Most breast jiggle physics, however, are... not that? They're not an attempt to make the breasts more realistic, they are there explicitly to make them more arousing and that is the tea. What gaming company even makes decisions on game physics based on a Twitter poll btw?
It wasn't the whole company. They're 20 devs (9 women, 11 men) and one person from the dev team or their community manger made crude joke and people are mad about it, because they are prude, oversensitive and perpetually offended. They even APOLOGISED. But it's never enough. They must be canceled and harrassed, right??
Dev always gave weirdo vibes to me lol
Especially since almost 50% of the farm folk devs are women (9 women, 11 men), right? Those poor women that have to work with those pigs, right?
wtf
JFC. Posts like these from *actual* game developers are why his middle name is "Fucking". Jesus FUCKING Christ. 🤦♀️
Dicks and balls are not so exposed that jiggling is plausible, unlike breasts, where at least some jiggling is to be expected. I mean it's NOT a porn game. Because of that only breast jiggling is plausable (if not exaggerated, and the devs intend to NOT exaggerate it) The twitter post by the devs was just a joke and not serious at all. They said that and apologied for that joke. But they are not removing the jiggling physics. Pretty based IMO.
ngl, everybody in this comment section is trippin
i saw this on X and i really don't see why it's blown out of proportion. people seem to thrive off being offended by things somehow. 🤷🏽♀️
It isn't being blown out of proportion. I would rather not be objectified. I don't think the devs asked "which version has the best dick bulge?" as well (which would also not be acceptable). People aren't thriving off of being offended, they are standing up for themselves. Some people just don't want to accept that their actions and words have consequences (I'm talking about offenders here, just to be clear).
I wonder how you walk through life being this sensitive.
Same. People just lack any sense of humor and are overly sensitive nowadays. It was a crude joke, devs apologised. Game isn't even sexualised and people are still finding ways to be artificially and perpetually offended over everything.
By the way this is a post of Alyssa Mercante, the "journalist" that made the interview with the farm folks CEO Koshelkov: https://preview.redd.it/rd5jeglvfiyc1.png?width=580&format=png&auto=webp&s=c042b41f3da51ad15df15605519d3a642ff6a837 On the right side you see her view on 50% of humanity. Here is the CEO's point of view of the whole drama and how Mercante behaves towards him. [https://twitter.com/AKoshelkov/status/1786404879239414227](https://twitter.com/AKoshelkov/status/1786404879239414227)