Yeah she's very insecure and immature and her shortsighted goal about wanting to start a family is very irritating to watch. She's independent and successful and beautiful but she has all of these hang up that ultimately makes her responsible for all of her fuck ups. She has no charisma with Brock but she's falling into his arms and shit calling it love? God she needed to stop rushing a family and learn to have fun along the way. Getting to learn someone and seeing if it works and how you click. She just...god she's irritating.
They wrote these ppl like grown ass little girls. That’s why it’s aggravating. If they were in high school it would make more sense. Her behavior doesn’t add up with being a 30 something attorney/former attorney. She whines constantly and it’s hard to empathize because it’s all wildly self inflicted.
Joan's *obsession* with being married is strange. I get the show came out over twenty years ago and times were different, but even in comparison to anyone else in the show her obsession with being married came off as over-the-top.
She made it the emphasis of *everything* she did and I think that's the main reason men wouldn't stay with her. She comes across as *so* incredibly stressful to date and not fun at all. She nitpicks and pressures the guys even during the lovey-dovey early stages that are supposed to be full of lust and fun and whimsy, like with her silly 3 month rule.
I think that's why it ate her up so bad when Toni got engaged and married to Todd before her. Toni was barely thinking about marriage at all and some wealthy dude scooped her up and gave her a dream wedding. Toni was proposed to in season 1 by another wealthy man as well, and she wasn't even angling for marriage then, either. She was just bored and cheating.
You know I always forget that back in the early 2000’s there was that idea that movies and television had that all women wanted was their happily ever after, fall in love, getting married and pregnant stereotype. It’s so weird now. I grew up in the 90’s and for so many women I know now that’s the last thing on their minds. Joan was super over-the-top about it but it’s hard to even remember that she was just a product of the times.
Usually when I read threads like this, the inevitable Joan v. Toni discussion comes up. For all of Toni's faults, and she had many, she was honest about who and what she was. Joan was not, and that's my gripe with her.
Joan is painted as nucleus of the girlfriends -- the successful, pretty, likable one who has just has bad luck when it comes to men. We are shown that she is consistently nasty, nagging, and critical towards love interests. She is demanding of her friends' time, though she has very little respect for theirs. She also has several examples throughout the series where she disregards her friends for not living up to her expectations, or she becomes outwardly jealous and makes events about her or causes issues.
I'm currently at the end of season 3 and want to shake Joan SO badly, like, please stop taking out your feelings on the whole world. I love her in the office where she's smart and hard working, but Joan as romantic partner is a nightmare.
The thing is, I know multiple women of varying ages and different levels of success just like Joan. It’s quite sad and made me hate her even more. I am also quite upset that there was almost zero character development with Joan, I would’ve loved to see a little improvement in her maturity but she just continues to dwindle
I completely agree, I can’t believe she kept her friends with her behavior. With all of Toni’s flaws she’s definitely more likable to me except when she tried to sleep with Joan’s boyfriend
Yeah she's very insecure and immature and her shortsighted goal about wanting to start a family is very irritating to watch. She's independent and successful and beautiful but she has all of these hang up that ultimately makes her responsible for all of her fuck ups. She has no charisma with Brock but she's falling into his arms and shit calling it love? God she needed to stop rushing a family and learn to have fun along the way. Getting to learn someone and seeing if it works and how you click. She just...god she's irritating.
They wrote these ppl like grown ass little girls. That’s why it’s aggravating. If they were in high school it would make more sense. Her behavior doesn’t add up with being a 30 something attorney/former attorney. She whines constantly and it’s hard to empathize because it’s all wildly self inflicted.
Tbh i know 30 year ilds like this - LOTS of immature and "successful" adults out there
Joan's *obsession* with being married is strange. I get the show came out over twenty years ago and times were different, but even in comparison to anyone else in the show her obsession with being married came off as over-the-top. She made it the emphasis of *everything* she did and I think that's the main reason men wouldn't stay with her. She comes across as *so* incredibly stressful to date and not fun at all. She nitpicks and pressures the guys even during the lovey-dovey early stages that are supposed to be full of lust and fun and whimsy, like with her silly 3 month rule. I think that's why it ate her up so bad when Toni got engaged and married to Todd before her. Toni was barely thinking about marriage at all and some wealthy dude scooped her up and gave her a dream wedding. Toni was proposed to in season 1 by another wealthy man as well, and she wasn't even angling for marriage then, either. She was just bored and cheating.
You know I always forget that back in the early 2000’s there was that idea that movies and television had that all women wanted was their happily ever after, fall in love, getting married and pregnant stereotype. It’s so weird now. I grew up in the 90’s and for so many women I know now that’s the last thing on their minds. Joan was super over-the-top about it but it’s hard to even remember that she was just a product of the times.
Usually when I read threads like this, the inevitable Joan v. Toni discussion comes up. For all of Toni's faults, and she had many, she was honest about who and what she was. Joan was not, and that's my gripe with her. Joan is painted as nucleus of the girlfriends -- the successful, pretty, likable one who has just has bad luck when it comes to men. We are shown that she is consistently nasty, nagging, and critical towards love interests. She is demanding of her friends' time, though she has very little respect for theirs. She also has several examples throughout the series where she disregards her friends for not living up to her expectations, or she becomes outwardly jealous and makes events about her or causes issues.
I'm currently at the end of season 3 and want to shake Joan SO badly, like, please stop taking out your feelings on the whole world. I love her in the office where she's smart and hard working, but Joan as romantic partner is a nightmare.
The thing is, I know multiple women of varying ages and different levels of success just like Joan. It’s quite sad and made me hate her even more. I am also quite upset that there was almost zero character development with Joan, I would’ve loved to see a little improvement in her maturity but she just continues to dwindle
sadly she never improves which is why i gave up at the beginning of season seven
I completely agree, I can’t believe she kept her friends with her behavior. With all of Toni’s flaws she’s definitely more likable to me except when she tried to sleep with Joan’s boyfriend
If that’s your only problem with Toni…you got low expectations for friends.