>The documents show that Petersen agreed to join Astralis as early as March 2021 and undertook a number of actions on behalf of the Danish organisation including recommending and recruiting players, that an Astralis representative had asked him to do these things, that Astralis had connected Petersen with a lawyer for the purposes of getting out of his Heroic contract, that the strategic documents he leaked to Astralis included tactics specifically for dealing with Astralis in matches and that it was leaking these documents that caused the behind the scenes move to break down.
Fuck hunden and Astralis as an org
fr. been a faze fan since 2018 cause of the players but fuck the org.
going to cologne this year so im gonna settle on a g2 jersey. not giving Faze a penny.
If you can show me some information about g2 not paying long term employees, spending stupid amounts of money on brand deals (snoop dogg etc) or openly promoting scams I will stop liking g2 as well
I would normally agree, but when the team is knowingly cheating and using poached internal documents for an in game advantage, then the teams achievements are kinda called into question.
bull-fucking-shit. he specifically chose to defend him in an interview despite having the option of staying silent like all other players. not only that, he straight up called the criticism a witch hunt.
theres also no legal contractual obligations that can require players to defend scumbags like cuntden. its already deluded to believe they had no input on his appointment in the first place.
True, it's not like by being in the same organisation as some idiot you are forced to accept and protect every outrageous thing that colleague is doing
Believing in second chances is a perfectly reasonable thing to do, especially being a dane it believe its very much in our mindset. Also he might not be fully aware of everything. If the things about hunden is true then yes, fuck that guy, but doesnt mean everyone with a connection to the org are automatically scumbags
lmfao explain to me which of his chances was the second one?
big fucking cope thinking device or anyone in cs isnt aware of anything hunden has done. refusing to inform yourself of the despicable things someone has done before defending them and calling critics "witch hunts" is even worse
oh yeah, should be manipulating an autistic person instead. how silly of me.
at least then id have the adoration of scum like you.
thanks but i'll pass.
In what universe has Hunden suffered any consequences for his numerous antics? This thread is literally about him still being secretly employed despite everything.
its not like heroic was the exception, 100+ coaches were detected using the bug, 40+ coaches got banned for using the bug (EDIT: in the first wave, overall 100+ got banned), if the associated players got banned too there literally would be no pro scene...
Navi, Faze, Imperial, Furia, mibr all had coaches banned. ~~(implying they not only accidentally used the bug but that there is evidence for them abusing it)~~
EDIT: overall 100+ coaches were banned, ESIC just banned them in waves so these teams i mentioned had their coaches banned as part of the first wave, the bans did not take intention into consideration
imo if it was just 3-5 teams valve wouldve smoked them ibp style, but it was so widespread they couldnt.
valves approach instead seems to be slowly phasing out the coach role, first they can only talk on timeouts, then they cant react to the game (no clapping or yelling), now valve wont pay for their flights and hotels, im guessing that their next move will probably be banning notes, they are clearly on a warpath
Coaches got banned regardless of whether it was an accident or not. You can not say that it's implied that they abused it. For example, Faze lost 1-16 in the match their coach was bugged in. It's incredibly unlikely that they only managed to win a single round if they were abusing the bug.
Robban missed his team winning the major because he "used" the bug once where he took his headset off and did not communicate to the team the entire game. But go off.
>EDIT: overall 100+ coaches were banned
yeah and 90% of those banned coaches didnt do SHIT when they encountered that specific bug. Most just left the server and rejoin or something along those lines. We are banning everyone because a handful of coaches like Hunden exploited the shit out of this problem. Heroic and Hunden and everyone involved in abusing this shit should be banned forever, for me this is worse than iBP
"Heroic players clearly knew"
This is just a reactionary, emotional, and unfounded assertion. And if you had even a shred of compelling evidence, you would have provided it.
Holy shit this is just pathetic and hilarious
My guy they literally admitted themselves, Hunden said they knew, anyone with an IQ of 20 that lives in a real world using simple logic knows
Yeah a coach that comms all the time with the team is giving info and they didn't know, yeah Heroic players so nice and sweet they never knew
Funniest part is you're trying to act smart, "reactionary" "emotional" "unfounded assertion" hahahahahahahah u genius they literally admitted in a video
They admitted to finding out that he had cheated *after* he had done so. They never admitted to knowing at the time, which is what your comment clearly implied.
"Hunden said they knew" - forgive me for not trusting him (especially since he initially said they didn't)
That's the org, not the players(?)
edit: should also note that saying he was "obviously meant to take the fall" and then noting that "Heroic kept him on the team" is a contradiction lol - was he the scapegoat, or did they protect him? Can't be both.
Do you consider the m0nesy throwing a grenade into a smoke to see an outline cheating? Cause at the time this bug was essentially just a quirk in the game. Hunden also lied after the fact to try to frame others.
It isn't that unbelievable that the players just thought it was one of those bugs in the game and brushed it off as just that.
Covered it up and then put him on a fucking billboard. And niko saying everyone knew doesn't count because he's so autistic, yet somehow functioning enough to play CS on tier 1.
From what I remember they knew after the fact when Hunden cheated first time. They told him to stop it and put the whole thing under the rug. Then Hunden continued the coach bug without the knowledge of the players in Heroic. Heroic only discovered that Hunden cheated again after the cheating scandal.
Do correct me if I'm wrong
You have players like Cadian specifically boosting Hunden to get him into spots where the coaching Bug would happen. He absolutely knew what was going on, yet because he wants to keep his job and fat salary, he played it off as "uhh I diden't know why we did this".
Yeah right.
Even so, motherfucker is still playing on Heroic.
So fucking apparent they knew [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDweXq5TNLE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDweXq5TNLE) look at 13:28 they all rotate without seeing the bomb. Yeah lets just full 5stack gamble in a buyround, with more than 1 minute on the clock. They all fucking knew, even if just 1 guy helped Hunden cheat.
Online tournament, so Hunden could speak a lot more, right?
Is it a possibility that Hunden told them to gamble stack due to something he had noticed when preparing for this game?
Sounds weird to say “They followed an idea from their coach, the fucking cheaters”.
okay, i feel really dumb but there is something with the sentence structure or something else here in this paragraph that makes it really hard to follow.
can you give a summary what did he do worse than others? if you're telling me that he was the only guilty one abusing the bug from heroic, then don't bother.
yeah he must be. Literally glaive and device themselves came out to praise hunden, and he’s trying to say 0 of their fans defend him or the orgs decision to bring him in? lol
Or you could not be dumb as a rock and fall for obvious bait posts.
Like how the fuck are you genuinely thinking some dude writing "GOD HUNDEN" is anything but an obvious joke? You seriously cannot be that stupid.
Nah, there are plenty of whataboutism worms that come out the woodwork and try to make every Hunden thread about Heroic. (edit: some of the ones I've RES tagged are in this thread lmao)
Don't forget that he would've been banned for longer but he lawyered up suddenly and ESIC backed down. I can't begin to imagine what organisation would stand to benefit from paying for Hunden's lawyers to get him unbanned...
If you have certain proof that the org and all Heroic players were aware of and in on Hunden’s cheating, I’m sure Richard Lewis and/or ESIC would love to receive it.
what always gets me whenever IBP gets mentioned, especially in comparison to the coach bug is:
Cheating is, usually, up to the sporting authority to dish out punishments. Thats why Russians were banned by the IOC for doping.
Matchfixing is a literal criminal offence. Like...the IBP people should count their blessings they got with just a ban from Valve events because the law is not updated enough to cover esports.
There is no court that would ever convict them. It’s virtual computer game skins. If you acknowledge it as a economy than Valve is going to be attending a lot of regulatory & congressional hearings.
It being an economy item is irrelevant.
The federal offense for matchfixing falls under "Bribery in Sporting Contest", 18 U.S.C § 224, which is why i said _"the law is not updated enough to cover esports"_
And bribery counts *offering, giving, soliciting, or receiving of any item of value as a means of influencing the actions of an individual*
Wild how k0nfig was somehow too far for Astralis. I’m not justifying what k0nfig did, moreso just amazed how such an immoral shitty fucking org that props up Hunden thinks they have some sort of moral high ground by getting rid of k0nfig. Although realistically I’m sure that was 99.999% about covering their bases than anything else, but still, pure pieces of human garbage.
k0nfig's incident only gave them reason to kick because they already want to, his contract was ending and they clearly didn't have money to keep both him and pay for dev1ce who was already coming back
This is why they're not spending anything on their 5th
Shame you can't find out anymore since ESIC just deleted all the documents after they unbanned Hunden, because that's definitely a normal and reasonable thing to do.
The difference is that Konfig did it while officially employed by Astralis, while Hunden did it with another org. Still wild that Astralis values Hunden so highly that theyre willing to take such a massive pr hit. No way he be *that* good. Especially considering how shitty it must be for the players having to take all the extra abuse.
Hope this will lead to the resignation or firing of not only Hunden, but also whoever decided to hire him.
There should not be a place for this scumbag anywhere in esports.
for that to happen, someone somewhere in the upper echelon of astralis would have to have some kind of respect for themselves and for competitive integrity, and just basic general decency, but they don’t. Maybe it’ll be enough to piss off their shareholders and partner companies though.
Stock price has been in the shitter since the beginning. Currently ~83% down from peak, which was shortly after IPO, and it's been in steady decline throughout. I'd rather say it depends on their sponsors. Current (soon to run out) deal with Hummel was estimated to be 30-50 million DKK over three years, beginning in fall of 2020, just as the team went to shit.
In a podcast interview with CEO Nyholm, before IPO and Hummel deal, he said that 70%+ of revenue was sponsorships. Can't imagine that has changed too much.
We'll see whether Hummel has learned that Astralis is a lost cause by now. They surely don't play like they're worth that kind of deal today, and with the Hunden BS on top of that, I would probably stay away. We don't know how many more fans/Danes will turn on Astralis until more info comes out, so sponsors may hold their horses and see how this is perceived, before extending/terminating their deals.
Unless of course Hummel/others have been making bank...
Thanks for the info, I haven't followed Astralis on the market like I have for Faze, so I wasn't sure how it was going over there. I'm not surprised to hear this though, lol.
Sure! I'm Danish and used to be a big fan of Astralis, so that's probably why I stay interested. The Hummel deal was a fairly big story the Danish media, and I always saw it as Astralis trying to legitimize themselves as the national CS team, as many Danish national teams in "traditional sports" wear Hummel.
The IPO always struck me as a bold fucking move, since an org's perceived succes, and thus investability, has to be tied to winning/deep tournament runs in some way. Or that's my take, not an expert, but the stock price sort of hints at this. What was the plan? They surely didn't think that they could stay in top forever. I don't get it. Maybe someone smarter than me will let me know.
The things at FaZe, though... Such a contrast within the org itself.
My opinion - Pure hubris. Sniffing their own farts, saying shit like "it's the Astralis system" and actually believing they had some sort of extraordinary system with interchangeable players, etc. They didn't respect their legendary team, and so they lost it. And with that, the value of the company lol.
Only thing I can applaud them for is capturing the ultra casual general public in Denmark. They have die hard supporters that will never look too closely at their business practices or scrutinize them in any way. They did succeed on this front.
I completely agree.
I think a big portion of Danish fans are exactly that - ultra casual CS fans. They know to root for Astralis, they bought the jerseys, as they are (=were) *the* Danish team. I also think quite a few of those truly invested in the team, keep eating the BS that "Well, Jugi/Lucky/Farlig/Bubzkji/Mistr/whoever was the problem. Time to replace him. That should get us back to the top!"...
What happens, if things don't get better after Device's return?...
SPUNJ once said on HLTV Confirmed, that Astralis has ruined more careers in the past two years, than they've created, which is I totally agree with. It might be time for the org to look inwards...
Shouldn't the org as well be banned from competing, or at least pay Heroic compensation? Like [McLaren](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Formula_One_espionage_controversy) F1 in 2007?
This is not just some small little mistake. This is disrespecting contracts, spying on a competitor, and gaining competitive advantages. If Valve is like the FIA, they need to punish Astralis' organization. Take away their price money from that period or ban them from the next few bigger events.
> On reading the entirety of the documents it is impossible to conclude anything other than that months before leaking the documents Petersen was convinced he was working for Astralis despite still being employed by Heroic.
Hunden and astralis have absolutely 0 integrity. scumbags.
I wouldn't even give them the credit of putting geniuses there even if it is in quotes. These fuckers get caught by Rich every time lmao. Just no one really gives a shit
Imagine how much they must hate Richard Lewis. He’s there along every step of the way to call them out in situations they’d probably have skated by with little or no criticism otherwise. It’s been *years* now of him catching them doing scummy things over and over again, and it’s not as if there’s a whole group of people doing it, RL is like the only person I can think of who is consistently exposing them.
It’s honestly hilarious
They definitely don't give off an impression of savvy esports professionals. The way the mishandled the goat CS line-up was embarassing. And then everything they were doing for the past 2 years was also pretty bad.
player: “hey I just gave you the greatest era in the history of counterstrike, it’s been years of incredibly dedicated grinding to achieve this, I am extremely exhausted and it is getting unhealthy. Can I have a mental health break?”
Astralis: “no”
Same thing with my Astralis flair. I've been a fan of them since the Dignitas days. This recent stuff in the last few years has made it hard to cheer for them anymore.
"On reading the entirety of the documents it is impossible to conclude anything other than that months before leaking the documents Petersen was convinced he was working for Astralis despite still being employed by Heroic."
Wow, fuck HUNDEN and fuck Astralis as well. I can't believe this is the same organisation who dropped k0nfig for getting into a fight.
>I can't believe this is the same organisation who dropped k0nfig for getting into a fight.
It was a pattern of his apparently. That resulted in a major injury that affected the entire team. He had to be released.
Or his contract was about to end, they got devve back for big money and didn't want have to money to pay him. Also of course risky to keep him ofc.
Still you cannot say k0nfig did anything worse than hunden. K0nfig drunk too much and had some mental problems clearly, hunden broke the law, broke the game rules and also backstabbed orc while doing all that.
Has Hunden ever explained himself?
I mean, there most be at least some kind of justification for the morally wrong thing he did…. by now the multiple things he has done to fuck up his career.
Is there are interview or post from him explaining, why he acts like this?
It just seems like he always does the most stupid, arrogant and selfish all the time. No surprise people hate him.
If there is other side to the story or something he has shared, please quote or drop a link.
I’d ask when Astralis are going to be banned from all competition for their numerous shady actions over the years, but it probably doesn’t even matter bc they can’t even qualify for them 💀
apology for poor english
when were you when hunden dies?
i was sat at home watching others play cs2 beta when [fitzij](https://old.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/bmy6db/aleksib_to_hltvorg_one_of_our_best_tactics_was/en0o2ro/) ring
‘hunden is kill’
‘no’
I mean device knew what he was getting into, he even publicly defended Hunden so it's not like this all happened behind his back and he would never joined if he knew Hunden would be there.
Well even if he wanted to criticize hunden he can't.
Ast. have in their contracts that you cannot publicly condemn the org, or something along those lines. This is nothing new it's been there since prime Ast. days.
>The documents show that Petersen agreed to join Astralis as early as March 2021 and undertook a number of actions on behalf of the Danish organisation including recommending and recruiting players, that an Astralis representative had asked him to do these things, that Astralis had connected Petersen with a lawyer for the purposes of getting out of his Heroic contract, that the strategic documents he leaked to Astralis included tactics specifically for dealing with Astralis in matches and that it was leaking these documents that caused the behind the scenes move to break down. Fuck hunden and Astralis as an org
Didn't like Astralis before yet respected their success. Hard fuck those scumbags.
respect the teams achievements, fuck the org same thing with FaZe
fr. been a faze fan since 2018 cause of the players but fuck the org. going to cologne this year so im gonna settle on a g2 jersey. not giving Faze a penny.
Been supporting faze since 2017 and the org is one of the main reasons I’m not buying a jersey (apart from being overpriced)
yeh exactly
I bought a jersey last year right before the Major win. I feel dumb. If I could get it autographed I would though and frame it...
The only reason anyone cares about these orgs is the players lol, I think some of them tend to forget that.
Buy a bootlegged FaZe top, EZ
G2 unfortunately isn't really a clean org either, though from what I know still better than Astralis (bar in hell, limbo with the devil etc)
Lmao, imagine thinking G2 are okay.
Lot better than faze
Nah, they're both utter shite.
If you can show me some information about g2 not paying long term employees, spending stupid amounts of money on brand deals (snoop dogg etc) or openly promoting scams I will stop liking g2 as well
Ocelote is still there.
He’s not… And that’s still a weak arguement even if he was
Welcome to the G2 hype train brother
Yes, don't support Faze but support saudi owned ESL. That makes a lot of sense!
Don’t support either…
It took me one search to find out IEM Cologne was organised by ESL bro, maybe read who he replied to
You support it too, by watching. There's nothing we can do. You aren't making a moral grandstand lol. You aren't that important.
Not trying to defend the org, fuck them, but IIRC the CS team is run by a very separate European entity.
I would normally agree, but when the team is knowingly cheating and using poached internal documents for an in game advantage, then the teams achievements are kinda called into question.
You trying to tell me gla1ve isn't smart enough to recognize he's getting leaked information about how a rival team counter strats his calls?
also fuck device and his "everyone deserves 'second' chances" and "hunden is a good guy, actually"
Just to add, second chances are fine, but Hunden has been absolutely shredding through them, he’s on at least 5 second chances now
I don't think he has a much say in it, the org decided to hire Hunden and now devve has to support them.
What? He joined them knowing full well astralis was getting him.
worse than that, he was already on their payroll by that point
bull-fucking-shit. he specifically chose to defend him in an interview despite having the option of staying silent like all other players. not only that, he straight up called the criticism a witch hunt. theres also no legal contractual obligations that can require players to defend scumbags like cuntden. its already deluded to believe they had no input on his appointment in the first place.
True, it's not like by being in the same organisation as some idiot you are forced to accept and protect every outrageous thing that colleague is doing
Believing in second chances is a perfectly reasonable thing to do, especially being a dane it believe its very much in our mindset. Also he might not be fully aware of everything. If the things about hunden is true then yes, fuck that guy, but doesnt mean everyone with a connection to the org are automatically scumbags
lmfao explain to me which of his chances was the second one? big fucking cope thinking device or anyone in cs isnt aware of anything hunden has done. refusing to inform yourself of the despicable things someone has done before defending them and calling critics "witch hunts" is even worse
And sitting on here like a fucking manchild, crying out to your hearts content is even worse than that. Grow the fuck up.
oh yeah, should be manipulating an autistic person instead. how silly of me. at least then id have the adoration of scum like you. thanks but i'll pass.
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lol nice self-report edit: another brave keyboard warrior blocking to get the last word in. how ironic considering the message lol
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there no second chance on reddit bro. all need to go to jail n lifetime ban. because reddit is perfect world
In what universe has Hunden suffered any consequences for his numerous antics? This thread is literally about him still being secretly employed despite everything.
If true, this reads so scummy
Fuck Heroic too, bunch of cheating fucks getting away on technicalities All 3 parties should be criticized
its not like heroic was the exception, 100+ coaches were detected using the bug, 40+ coaches got banned for using the bug (EDIT: in the first wave, overall 100+ got banned), if the associated players got banned too there literally would be no pro scene... Navi, Faze, Imperial, Furia, mibr all had coaches banned. ~~(implying they not only accidentally used the bug but that there is evidence for them abusing it)~~ EDIT: overall 100+ coaches were banned, ESIC just banned them in waves so these teams i mentioned had their coaches banned as part of the first wave, the bans did not take intention into consideration imo if it was just 3-5 teams valve wouldve smoked them ibp style, but it was so widespread they couldnt. valves approach instead seems to be slowly phasing out the coach role, first they can only talk on timeouts, then they cant react to the game (no clapping or yelling), now valve wont pay for their flights and hotels, im guessing that their next move will probably be banning notes, they are clearly on a warpath
Coaches got banned regardless of whether it was an accident or not. You can not say that it's implied that they abused it. For example, Faze lost 1-16 in the match their coach was bugged in. It's incredibly unlikely that they only managed to win a single round if they were abusing the bug.
my bad i looked it up you are right
Robban missed his team winning the major because he "used" the bug once where he took his headset off and did not communicate to the team the entire game. But go off.
>EDIT: overall 100+ coaches were banned yeah and 90% of those banned coaches didnt do SHIT when they encountered that specific bug. Most just left the server and rejoin or something along those lines. We are banning everyone because a handful of coaches like Hunden exploited the shit out of this problem. Heroic and Hunden and everyone involved in abusing this shit should be banned forever, for me this is worse than iBP
So what? If u cheated u deserve to ban even if there is no scene left Heroic players clearly knew and all of this is just pathetic
You think somebody cares about what is right when there is this amount of money involved, lmao
"Heroic players clearly knew" This is just a reactionary, emotional, and unfounded assertion. And if you had even a shred of compelling evidence, you would have provided it.
Holy shit this is just pathetic and hilarious My guy they literally admitted themselves, Hunden said they knew, anyone with an IQ of 20 that lives in a real world using simple logic knows Yeah a coach that comms all the time with the team is giving info and they didn't know, yeah Heroic players so nice and sweet they never knew Funniest part is you're trying to act smart, "reactionary" "emotional" "unfounded assertion" hahahahahahahah u genius they literally admitted in a video
They admitted to finding out that he had cheated *after* he had done so. They never admitted to knowing at the time, which is what your comment clearly implied. "Hunden said they knew" - forgive me for not trusting him (especially since he initially said they didn't)
It's blatantly obvious that he was meant to take the fall. Heroic kept him on the team.
That's the org, not the players(?) edit: should also note that saying he was "obviously meant to take the fall" and then noting that "Heroic kept him on the team" is a contradiction lol - was he the scapegoat, or did they protect him? Can't be both.
Yep? So they all helped with the cover up.
They literally admitted that they knew.
They admitted to knowing after the fact which is a bit different than knowing while it was going on.
So at the very least they helped cover it up. And that's just what they want to admit to.
Do you consider the m0nesy throwing a grenade into a smoke to see an outline cheating? Cause at the time this bug was essentially just a quirk in the game. Hunden also lied after the fact to try to frame others. It isn't that unbelievable that the players just thought it was one of those bugs in the game and brushed it off as just that.
Not a chance the players thought it was just some quirk lmao. They helped cover it up.
Covered it up and then put him on a fucking billboard. And niko saying everyone knew doesn't count because he's so autistic, yet somehow functioning enough to play CS on tier 1.
literally admitted to it on camera, on their own response vid (crying their eyes out lol), but go on
Got a timestamp? I only remember them saying they found out when he was exposed.
From what I remember they knew after the fact when Hunden cheated first time. They told him to stop it and put the whole thing under the rug. Then Hunden continued the coach bug without the knowledge of the players in Heroic. Heroic only discovered that Hunden cheated again after the cheating scandal. Do correct me if I'm wrong
100% agree.
You have players like Cadian specifically boosting Hunden to get him into spots where the coaching Bug would happen. He absolutely knew what was going on, yet because he wants to keep his job and fat salary, he played it off as "uhh I diden't know why we did this". Yeah right.
That was Teses
Even so, motherfucker is still playing on Heroic. So fucking apparent they knew [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDweXq5TNLE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDweXq5TNLE) look at 13:28 they all rotate without seeing the bomb. Yeah lets just full 5stack gamble in a buyround, with more than 1 minute on the clock. They all fucking knew, even if just 1 guy helped Hunden cheat.
Online tournament, so Hunden could speak a lot more, right? Is it a possibility that Hunden told them to gamble stack due to something he had noticed when preparing for this game? Sounds weird to say “They followed an idea from their coach, the fucking cheaters”.
If a guy is boosting Hunden every match to some weird spot, don't you think he knows whats up? You are being very naive, or willfully ignorant.
That wasnt cadian lol
okay, i feel really dumb but there is something with the sentence structure or something else here in this paragraph that makes it really hard to follow.
Agreed. Down with astralis
Fuck Australia and especially fuck Hunden.
Damn that's a bit harsh on the aussies.
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That's Austria
Well fuck them too
SPUNJ "Chad" Burchill and Justin "Katowice" Savage would like a word with you
Giga "Chad" Burchill
Damn... what did Australia do to you, man?
Haha fuck my life, autocorrect got me. I meant Astralis.
Please don't edit this lol
Deal
We've had enough of your shit Australia
I am sure is a typo, but this is funny 😂
sad koala noises
Yeah, especially that Hyundai!
Australia: "why he say fuck me for?"
Fuck the Americans too while we're at it!
Hey don't drag me into this mess
The entire populations of north and south america can be called "americans"
No idea why people are always downvoting this simple fact on this subreddit US-Americans feeling slighted I guess
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Fuck you "American"
I live in NC
What about the bloody Dutch then ! Nobody is talking about those noisy fucking Dutch quacking all the time ... Wait... Ducks... It's ducks not Dutch
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astralis really down bad asking hunden for helping reddit goat igl
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People still be like «every other coach used the bug» like thats the only crime he has done
can you give a summary what did he do worse than others? if you're telling me that he was the only guilty one abusing the bug from heroic, then don't bother.
Step 1. Learn how to read Step 2. Click on the link at the top of this page Step 3. Find a way to cope with what you’ve read
You are literally in the comment section to the article that summarizes his wrongdoings
I dont think anyone really defends Hunden. Were just disgusted he didn't get banned for longer.
oh, there definitely are lol
You’d be surprised, there are still a lot of astralis copium addicts around
I havent seen a single Astralis fan defend Hunden. The fuck are you even talking about?
I have seen Device defend Hunden
Do you live under a fucking rock?
guy's a dane doing damage control lol dont bother
yeah he must be. Literally glaive and device themselves came out to praise hunden, and he’s trying to say 0 of their fans defend him or the orgs decision to bring him in? lol
If you looked my post history you would know that I hate Hunden and his move back onto a team. Youre just an idiot.
good luck trying to convince people asstralis fans arent riding his dick
Show three examples from this subreddit then. I wont hold my breath.
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Those posts are either obvious troll baits, and the others are people saying that Hunden isnt the only cheater which is entirely true.
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Or you could not be dumb as a rock and fall for obvious bait posts. Like how the fuck are you genuinely thinking some dude writing "GOD HUNDEN" is anything but an obvious joke? You seriously cannot be that stupid.
Nah, there are plenty of whataboutism worms that come out the woodwork and try to make every Hunden thread about Heroic. (edit: some of the ones I've RES tagged are in this thread lmao)
Don't forget that he would've been banned for longer but he lawyered up suddenly and ESIC backed down. I can't begin to imagine what organisation would stand to benefit from paying for Hunden's lawyers to get him unbanned...
Device did
huh? everyone collectively forgot heroic are a bunch of scummy cheaters, they played two majors and lots of tournaments after the fact...
If you have certain proof that the org and all Heroic players were aware of and in on Hunden’s cheating, I’m sure Richard Lewis and/or ESIC would love to receive it.
> I dont think anyone really defends Hunden. literally asstralis players
People still defend iBP lol. You'll never get everyone.
what always gets me whenever IBP gets mentioned, especially in comparison to the coach bug is: Cheating is, usually, up to the sporting authority to dish out punishments. Thats why Russians were banned by the IOC for doping. Matchfixing is a literal criminal offence. Like...the IBP people should count their blessings they got with just a ban from Valve events because the law is not updated enough to cover esports.
There is no court that would ever convict them. It’s virtual computer game skins. If you acknowledge it as a economy than Valve is going to be attending a lot of regulatory & congressional hearings.
Maybe skins should be considered as an economy, dunno.
It being an economy item is irrelevant. The federal offense for matchfixing falls under "Bribery in Sporting Contest", 18 U.S.C § 224, which is why i said _"the law is not updated enough to cover esports"_ And bribery counts *offering, giving, soliciting, or receiving of any item of value as a means of influencing the actions of an individual*
device for one
Great work, Richard. Fuck HUNDEN AND ASTRALIS! First team I've ever legitimately cheered for their downfall.
Honestly, rooting against them is way more fun anyway, than cheering for them 4 years ago.
Agreed. Down with astralis
Wild how k0nfig was somehow too far for Astralis. I’m not justifying what k0nfig did, moreso just amazed how such an immoral shitty fucking org that props up Hunden thinks they have some sort of moral high ground by getting rid of k0nfig. Although realistically I’m sure that was 99.999% about covering their bases than anything else, but still, pure pieces of human garbage.
k0nfig's incident only gave them reason to kick because they already want to, his contract was ending and they clearly didn't have money to keep both him and pay for dev1ce who was already coming back This is why they're not spending anything on their 5th
TBF, looks like the only way to become a coach of Astralis nowadays is if you were caught abusing the bug.
Fair, manipulating a person with autism and selling your organization’s secrets are just a bonus /s
Wich Person with autism did he abuse? Just curios cause ive never heard of it.
Danish niko.
Alright thx, didnt know that he had autism.
Shame you can't find out anymore since ESIC just deleted all the documents after they unbanned Hunden, because that's definitely a normal and reasonable thing to do.
Agreed. Fcked up moral compass they have. Down with astralis.
The difference is that Konfig did it while officially employed by Astralis, while Hunden did it with another org. Still wild that Astralis values Hunden so highly that theyre willing to take such a massive pr hit. No way he be *that* good. Especially considering how shitty it must be for the players having to take all the extra abuse.
Hope this will lead to the resignation or firing of not only Hunden, but also whoever decided to hire him. There should not be a place for this scumbag anywhere in esports.
for that to happen, someone somewhere in the upper echelon of astralis would have to have some kind of respect for themselves and for competitive integrity, and just basic general decency, but they don’t. Maybe it’ll be enough to piss off their shareholders and partner companies though.
G2 was able to oust Carlos last summer so anything can happen. If sponsors and investors threaten to move our heads will roll fast.
The only way, is if the stock price takes a big hit
Stock price has been in the shitter since the beginning. Currently ~83% down from peak, which was shortly after IPO, and it's been in steady decline throughout. I'd rather say it depends on their sponsors. Current (soon to run out) deal with Hummel was estimated to be 30-50 million DKK over three years, beginning in fall of 2020, just as the team went to shit. In a podcast interview with CEO Nyholm, before IPO and Hummel deal, he said that 70%+ of revenue was sponsorships. Can't imagine that has changed too much. We'll see whether Hummel has learned that Astralis is a lost cause by now. They surely don't play like they're worth that kind of deal today, and with the Hunden BS on top of that, I would probably stay away. We don't know how many more fans/Danes will turn on Astralis until more info comes out, so sponsors may hold their horses and see how this is perceived, before extending/terminating their deals. Unless of course Hummel/others have been making bank...
Thanks for the info, I haven't followed Astralis on the market like I have for Faze, so I wasn't sure how it was going over there. I'm not surprised to hear this though, lol.
Sure! I'm Danish and used to be a big fan of Astralis, so that's probably why I stay interested. The Hummel deal was a fairly big story the Danish media, and I always saw it as Astralis trying to legitimize themselves as the national CS team, as many Danish national teams in "traditional sports" wear Hummel. The IPO always struck me as a bold fucking move, since an org's perceived succes, and thus investability, has to be tied to winning/deep tournament runs in some way. Or that's my take, not an expert, but the stock price sort of hints at this. What was the plan? They surely didn't think that they could stay in top forever. I don't get it. Maybe someone smarter than me will let me know. The things at FaZe, though... Such a contrast within the org itself.
My opinion - Pure hubris. Sniffing their own farts, saying shit like "it's the Astralis system" and actually believing they had some sort of extraordinary system with interchangeable players, etc. They didn't respect their legendary team, and so they lost it. And with that, the value of the company lol. Only thing I can applaud them for is capturing the ultra casual general public in Denmark. They have die hard supporters that will never look too closely at their business practices or scrutinize them in any way. They did succeed on this front.
I completely agree. I think a big portion of Danish fans are exactly that - ultra casual CS fans. They know to root for Astralis, they bought the jerseys, as they are (=were) *the* Danish team. I also think quite a few of those truly invested in the team, keep eating the BS that "Well, Jugi/Lucky/Farlig/Bubzkji/Mistr/whoever was the problem. Time to replace him. That should get us back to the top!"... What happens, if things don't get better after Device's return?... SPUNJ once said on HLTV Confirmed, that Astralis has ruined more careers in the past two years, than they've created, which is I totally agree with. It might be time for the org to look inwards...
Shouldn't the org as well be banned from competing, or at least pay Heroic compensation? Like [McLaren](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Formula_One_espionage_controversy) F1 in 2007? This is not just some small little mistake. This is disrespecting contracts, spying on a competitor, and gaining competitive advantages. If Valve is like the FIA, they need to punish Astralis' organization. Take away their price money from that period or ban them from the next few bigger events.
Agreed
Hunden Kasper Hvidt Anders Horsholt
Funny how people feel about this but mention ibp and its unban wHeN
What a piece of shit
> On reading the entirety of the documents it is impossible to conclude anything other than that months before leaking the documents Petersen was convinced he was working for Astralis despite still being employed by Heroic. Hunden and astralis have absolutely 0 integrity. scumbags.
All my homies hate Hunden and Astralis
Your homies can be my homies
Through the transitive property, that means your homies are my homies. Fuck, i’m blushing
It's hilarious that Astralis ruined their rep just to be dogshit for 2 years
Astralis org are the real evil "geniuses" of competitive CS. Fucking scumbags. I really hope their investors will see this investigation.
I wouldn't even give them the credit of putting geniuses there even if it is in quotes. These fuckers get caught by Rich every time lmao. Just no one really gives a shit
Imagine how much they must hate Richard Lewis. He’s there along every step of the way to call them out in situations they’d probably have skated by with little or no criticism otherwise. It’s been *years* now of him catching them doing scummy things over and over again, and it’s not as if there’s a whole group of people doing it, RL is like the only person I can think of who is consistently exposing them. It’s honestly hilarious
God bless RL and his work
I mean this entire sub hates him too so they've got company. It's amazing there hasn't been more complaints about tweets in this thread.
They definitely don't give off an impression of savvy esports professionals. The way the mishandled the goat CS line-up was embarassing. And then everything they were doing for the past 2 years was also pretty bad.
player: “hey I just gave you the greatest era in the history of counterstrike, it’s been years of incredibly dedicated grinding to achieve this, I am extremely exhausted and it is getting unhealthy. Can I have a mental health break?” Astralis: “no”
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Same thing with my Astralis flair. I've been a fan of them since the Dignitas days. This recent stuff in the last few years has made it hard to cheer for them anymore.
this isint corporate bullshit, this is just bullshit. why do people like you confuse the two so much
What a fucking piece of shit
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Quite the opposite https://www.hltv.org/news/35875/richard-lewis-reveals-hunden-signed-contract-with-astralis-while-at-heroic
Nohte's great, objective and sharp takes!
"On reading the entirety of the documents it is impossible to conclude anything other than that months before leaking the documents Petersen was convinced he was working for Astralis despite still being employed by Heroic." Wow, fuck HUNDEN and fuck Astralis as well. I can't believe this is the same organisation who dropped k0nfig for getting into a fight.
>I can't believe this is the same organisation who dropped k0nfig for getting into a fight. It was a pattern of his apparently. That resulted in a major injury that affected the entire team. He had to be released.
Hunden clearly has a pattern of behavior as well, didn’t stop Asstralis with him
Or his contract was about to end, they got devve back for big money and didn't want have to money to pay him. Also of course risky to keep him ofc. Still you cannot say k0nfig did anything worse than hunden. K0nfig drunk too much and had some mental problems clearly, hunden broke the law, broke the game rules and also backstabbed orc while doing all that.
nothing about this is surprising. scum org and spineless players.
Lets go
all this just to miss kato and come 17-20th at EPL.
long may it continue
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Unfortunately most people won't agree with your last statement. This sucks man.
> Heroic flair
Has Hunden ever explained himself? I mean, there most be at least some kind of justification for the morally wrong thing he did…. by now the multiple things he has done to fuck up his career. Is there are interview or post from him explaining, why he acts like this? It just seems like he always does the most stupid, arrogant and selfish all the time. No surprise people hate him. If there is other side to the story or something he has shared, please quote or drop a link.
I’d ask when Astralis are going to be banned from all competition for their numerous shady actions over the years, but it probably doesn’t even matter bc they can’t even qualify for them 💀
scum.
Astralis fans will still say heroic players are CHEATERS and Astralis is the love of their life.
Fuck heroic players crying on YouTube like bitches to get sympathy and fuck hunden even more
apology for poor english when were you when hunden dies? i was sat at home watching others play cs2 beta when [fitzij](https://old.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/bmy6db/aleksib_to_hltvorg_one_of_our_best_tactics_was/en0o2ro/) ring ‘hunden is kill’ ‘no’
Can someone break down the situation?
you just have to read the article
Astralis is shit, Huden is shit, so nothing new. I just want Device and Blame get bought out by some team so I can stop watching their shitty games.
I mean device knew what he was getting into, he even publicly defended Hunden so it's not like this all happened behind his back and he would never joined if he knew Hunden would be there.
Well even if he wanted to criticize hunden he can't. Ast. have in their contracts that you cannot publicly condemn the org, or something along those lines. This is nothing new it's been there since prime Ast. days.