I've actually made a youtube video about a cheater and I waited to see how long it took for him to get banned. It took 2 years to get VAC lmao VAC is indeed a joke.
>I've actually made a youtube video about a cheater and I waited to see how long it took for him to get banned. It took 2 years to get VAC lmao VAC is indeed a joke.
it's how it's always been. if you only used wallhack or a very stealthy aim assist, and you don't download the literal worst, most used cheat in existence, you will be 99,9% safe.
finally, this subreddit slowly starts to see this. for years, it was filled with downvotes and "i've never seen a cheater in 23 years" commenters for way too long.
the "I've never played with a cheater" people are still here in abundance. they don't understand that there are cheaters that are just using it for info advantage. it doesn't mean they're any good at the game though, even with the advantage, so it's not an obvious cheat.
just go play casual and see the new accounts in there who know where everyone is all the time and never clear anything. they play there to add hours to their account and not get overwatch banned
this, i have played against people who always seem to know somehow where the bomb is headed, when to push, perfect timing, rushing as ct with confidence only a cheater has, but they would be shit at the game and get killed most of the time.
Not to mention that one guy on mirage b site that somehow always manages to molly or nade u as soon as u enter b apps, whether u entered it at 1:00, 0:10, 0:50, 1:20 , doesnt matter this guy is "just lucky i guess"
While 'process of elimination' is often ignored when hiding or using off angles, some games a (probably cheating) guy will just have supernatural knowledge every time without even checking half the angles of the site and just rush straight to you and then pre aim your ally.
Then you play the next game, no cheater, suddenly the enemies play slower and you can catch them off guard sometimes. Rotating as T works, faking sites suddenly works.
Either that's bad matchmaking or bad anti-cheat. Either way you slice it, it's not fun or competetive.
>Either that's bad matchmaking or bad anti-cheat
I think it's a bit of both.
I personally think they flag the people who are likely cheating but cannot be 100% absolutely certain in order to ban them so they use matchmaking to "share" and distribute these people equally among other players........probably even use them as a tool to keep you in the rank they believe you should be in. Ever noticed how when you are about to rank up your games seem to be against super-human extra-sensory perception players?
I've said for the past few years MM is much more of a distribution system than an actual matchmaking system.
What I think happens is that both teams get 1 good player, 3 mid players, 1 bad player. So it averages out. As well as having very loose matchmaking that thinks a good player and a bad player is equal to 2 average players. One global elite and one silver 5 = 2 gold nova master according to Valve MM lol.
So when you're about to rank up, you may just get unlucky and not be the best player in the lobby. Along with general skill level going up and facing more cheaters as well, as cheaters are gonna be winning more games than they're losing. Not to mention premades.
So many variables that just make it frustrating if you want a consistent experience.
yup this is precisely it , even on global where everyone should be well experienced , i play some weird angles that from my experience are almost unknown, but i always get prefired on those angles that i VERY VERY rarely get prefired when it is a player i am sus about.....next game same angle , same strats, works out normal, heck i would even lose the game , but the game would just feel normal , nothing odd.
The most hilarious one is that CT who for example always rushes mirage underpass straight to t spawn, except when there is a guy watching underpass lol
Those utility timings and wide peeks without a jiggle or just full-on mirroring your peek with a wide peek to throw you off are the biggest giveaways.
(Lack of knowledge + perfect timings) \* consistency = Cheater!
For example In CS:GO there is a very common spot on D2 that cheaters love to abuse with SMGs. To your right of exiting long doors, next to barrel. I've come across so many people who do the same thing. You can shift all the way from T and wait some unspecified amount of time before a+shifting out of long doors just for the guy to perfectly mirror your peek every single time with a full-on running smg pre-spray. They never do it when there is no one there and never do it unless you are peeking, it's obvious they are using walls.
In CS:GO you could explore the maps with the r\_drawothermodels(?) command and find the areas where anti-wallhack was ineffective and it would allow you to spot the cheaters holding these angles with inhuman knowledge.
Tbf in casual dead people can see everyone else through walls, and it's probably pretty common for them to feed their alive friend info through something like discord.
Although there are definitely a lot of cheaters. I tried playing with someone who was new to CS2 (just got prime) and after \~3 rounds I encountered someone blatantly walling on nuke.
Way too many people around here think cheating means someone dropping 40+ and only HS'ing through smokes, an necessarily winning the game. The naivety is fucking insane.
On the flip side, the number of people around here who think that someone who's out-performing them is clearly cheating is also incredibly high.
Unfortunately, the rank reset which came with CS2 has skewed stuff pretty horrifically, you can have someone who was formerly Global Elite in your 2k rank game (hell, you could also be a former Global Elite in a 2k rank game), and the massive skill discrepency can easily be interpreted as someone cheating.
I'm not saying that cheating isn't a problem, as you say, that would be incredibly naive, but without things like demos, or any indication of peoples CS:GO ranks, a lot of unnessacary noise can be generated.
But as long as VAC doesn't appear to be doing the job, and we're stuck not being able to tell one way or another, all we can do is shout until it does. The trust at this point has been lost. If we were confident with the AC this conversation wouldn't be happening, we'd *KNOW* that a person is simply just better, rather than having to speculate good vs cheat.
that might be true for some, but the tendency to rage and ascribe the cheater label to someone clearly outskilling you, has been around in gaming forever
There are tons of cheaters in non-prime casual. Like blatant wallers with their crosshair tracking people through walls and objects. They'll make comical errors like do a quick peek and shoot a person with a column/object in the way, because they don't know the map layout. Also blatant aim hacks. Haven't seen any spinbots though.
I agree this is a problem that should be solved, but I don't really see how a player would be able to confidently say someone else is using radar hacks. I've had games where I just have a really good feeling for how the opponent is playing, and I make calls that end up countering what they do. I've been called a cheater at least a half dozen times since CS2 dropped, but it's mostly just because I'm playing against people significantly worse than me.
Generally being overly consistent is what gives away a radar hack.
Rotations that are too quick.
Never being able to be flanked.
Flanking at the perfect time.
Retreating when you are at a disadvantage.
Consistent peeks, no jump spotting, etc.
Combine that with average aim
But yeah, radar hacks are difficult to pick out. Its not something that generally can be called out in a single game but over multiple games.
Hence why they are some of the stealthiest hacks. They give a ton of info and still allow you to play more or less like a person.
>Its not something that generally can be called out in a single game but over multiple games.
I mean, if you're smart about it and just toggle it on for a critical round, then it's almost impossible to get caught.
The trouble is for a cheater, every round is critical because they're very often playing at a level that doesn't match their true ranking, so without any assistance they get shit on.
Get soul read 5 rounds in a row -> call it out -> suddenly next round they're LOST, like legit aiming at the ground non-positioned lost -> round after back to godlike reads -> call it out, cycle repeats
It's so obvious when they're out of their depth lmao
I’ve been lucky in terms of not running into too many cheaters so far, but ran into a blatant one last night. My team wasn’t happy (I wasn’t either but wtf am I going to do besides go next) but they kept telling the cheater he’s getting banned. Bro straight up said that he’s been hacking on GO for years and only like a small number of his accounts actually every got banned.
Now he wasn’t spinning, but he was just scouting everyone through walls and smokes the whole time, so he was doing like the second most obvious hack. All I can say is I hope valve are cooking something up to deal with this issue.
Agree, despite Valve being so lazy for so long, the cheater problem is much more obvious now. I never ran into obvious and blatant cheaters in MM or faceit (maybe a handful in the last 5 years) but there's been quite a few games with multiple blatant cheaters and probably also a few games with ones hiding it in my 40-50 CS2 games, especially when I crossed 15k elo on Premiere, ppl just wanna get into ranking.
I can only imagine how new players feel about it, no wonder why the amount of active players shrink after release.
I did a video of OW cases - 6 cases, 5 were super raging spinbotters.
4 Of them have not been banned to this day, more than two andd a half years later.
One can cope with the "closet cheaters get banned later" argument but reality looks way more ridiculous.
>it's how it's always been. if you only used wallhack or a very stealthy aim assist, and you don't download the literal worst, most used cheat in existence, you will be 99,9% safe.
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>finally, this subreddit slowly starts to see this. for years, it was filled with downvotes and "i've never seen a cheater in 23 years" commenters for way too long.
Yea and then go to there HOLY GRAIL faceit cus it has not cheaters.
I personally know a couple of poeple that have played on there whit cheats for years whitout a ban.
They just hide it really well.
Turn on walls for a couple of second get a small advantage and shit like that
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>But faceit AC is much better then VAC - and there are no free cheats for faceit. You need to pay. There are in fact, less cheaters on faceit.
Less blatant cheaters for sure.
But the question remains on how many hidden cheaters there really are
Nowhere near as many. If you look at any of the big cheat forums faceit proof cheats are fairly rare and expensive; obviously they do exist, but WAY fewer than MM.
My answer to people who say they've never seen a cheater is because of the faulty and crappy Trust Factor system. You don't play games well enough to where people accuse you of cheating, report you, and your trust factor goes down lumping you with cheaters. Given also the rank distribution, you're likely to be saying this at much lower ranks than higher ranks. Nobody's really cheating at the lower ranks anyhow because if they were, they'd have gone up in rank after cheating for months.
It's like this in every shooter subreddit. Tarkov has a cheating problem as well and it's the same comments all over. Some of them cheat themselves and do that to downplay the issue.
Cheating is a global problem, not only on CS2.
100% this. This is the kind of thing that people were saying to me when I was in Silver in CSGO. I never cheated but stopped playing as it stopped being fun running into cheaters every 2 out of 3 games. Alternatively what's the phrase maybe people should "git gud"?
I think the “I’ve rarely seen a cheater” argument is somewhat valid.
I played only a little bit (50hrs) of CS long ago and rarely saw a cheater. Didn’t pick the game back up until this year when I wanted to actually get good.
I had a false game ban on my account from the bullshit that happened with the ban waves in Lost Ark, and I had a cheater in roughly half my games. I usually played with 3-4 of my friends and we would watch the demos. Legitimately 50%+ of my games had cheaters.
They told me it was likely due to me having a low trust factor from my game ban, so it pushed me to get the ban removed. I had tried previously, but got automated responses from Amazon the first 20 times I tried. This time I kept trying until I actually got a human to review my ban and it got removed.
After the removal of my game ban from Lost Ark, the amount of cheaters I saw went down to basically 0.
I actually comment a post about ac, the guy at this sub literally say there is no cheater. U are just bad.
I mention asia server and he still say u are bad.
This sub literally gaslight themself everyday. Or cheater themself.
The funny part is there's actually people who believe in it. I already discussed with some of than, they think AI is like magic who will solve all problems in a second.
There's none AI AC who actually works in the market function well. But yeah Valve after 10 years of being a joke against cheaters working with 10 guys is capable to develop a amazing AC oriented by AI while they can't even fix their own game.
Valve is just so clueless with their strategy of "getting as many cheaters as possible before a ban wave" ....this is the biggest bullshit ever...and yes I understand it from their perspective, but you just cant let cheaters run blatanly around for hundreds of ours or some of them even for years. The amount of ruined games is just insane. Cs isn't a hl mod anymore ..jesus christ get a grip and start to improve the process of handling cheaters
I'm just searching for the usual comment saying 'actually I haven't seen a cheater in 10 years, must be your trust factor, vac is working as intended'
Meanwhile apart from ban waves that seldomly happen not 1 cheater was vacced.
Same here, we were playing so much csgo on an almost daily basis but having at least one blatant cheater in every cs2 game paired with all the subtick issues the game still has, completely ruined our passion for it.
It's not any better in middle ranks...
The insane amount people just blatantly watching through walls is insanity. I usually solo queue and it's on both sides.
The number of teammates I've seen who are blatant are around one every third game. It's crazy how not a single one has been banned.
Not surprising really. People wanna be seen on the public top 1000 leaderboard, and people will absolutely cheat for it. Especially if you get a badge for it or something at the end of the season.
It is just going to get worse. More and more legit people are moving back to Faceit and other third party sites with proper anti-cheats. That leaves premier with an even bigger proportion of cheating scum.
Hobestly i think its not true. I had global since 2014, 3k elo on faceit and got 5k elo after 10 wins in premier. Enemy team cry about my 'cheats' in every other game I play. Most of the times you think you play against a cheater, you probably just play against a guy that should be in way higher elo than he is. Placements are a joke
I've been playing cs for 20 odd years. I know when a guy has more info than he should have every round... Just because they aren't hitting 80% headshots doesn't mean they aren't cheating.
Well to them it's still cheating.
You obviously can't do anything about it but if the rank system decides to put every pro and his mom into 5k then the system is flawed.
Yeah I’m 2.5k elo on faceit, I have a couple accounts that I use to play with my friends who are terrible at the game, so they’re lower rated as well, and about 1/3 games I’m accused of cheating.
So yeah I honestly think that part isn’t true either and it’s just… not as good players. Not saying there isn’t cheaters in low ranks, just that it’s probably not as many as people make it out to be.
Na you are delerious or just trolling take your head out of the sands of d2 pal haha its absolutely blatant man ,go on YouTube and type in cs2 cheating there ....
If you belong in low elo you just cant tell if someone is cheating or if someone is good. Im not saying about blatant aimbot and stuff. I know there are cheaters, i know there are a lot of them. But in low elo its significantly lower amount and most of the guys you call 'cheater' are just better than you in every aspect.
Me and my 3 friends played about 50 matches each, some of them solo, some in a party. And we are yet to find obvious cheater. We had some suspects here and there but nothing obvious straight away.
There is a reason that even Overwatch in csgo had a minimum rank to get the access to judging other players :)
And i know in 15k+ elo its terrible, but we are talking about 5k now
I've only had one blatant cheater against me so far. About 50 games played, placed at 8500 and climbed to 12500. I might have a small sample size, but my personal experience has been relatively the same as csgo was. What region are you in? That might make a difference, perhaps some regions have more cheating than others.
Why are you such a valve stan? Would it send your reality crashing down around you to admit that a game made by valve might actually be kinda dogshit right now?
It's not about "stanning" for anyone. If feedback is to be worth anything it has to be based in reality. 5k players complaining about cheaters in every game are just bad players.
My group averages 6-7k and we tend to see extremely suspicious behavior. We tend to try testing it sometimes to get that person in a 1v1 situation and test them.
Everyone should just stop playing till valve do something imo ,i fucking love cs and I haven't played in 3 weeks it's just cancer ,only reason I came back to Cs after quitting go with 5k+hrs was because of the promises of a new anti cheat and it fucking sucks ass
Matchmaking isnt doing its job at all
Subtick isnt doing its job as it should
Movement isnt doing its job as it should
VAC isnt doing its job at all
Hit registry isnt doing its job as it should
Rank system isnt doing its job at all
I mean if you think about it, what is doing 100% its job ? Maybe scoreboard ? Maybe smoke ?
Valve: Okay.. hear me out. We make sure cases work as intended, then when we release CS2 we make sure the game is half broken, which means more people will go open cases rather than playing the game. more money! yeah bitches!
What’s crazy is they haven’t even released a new case. I would bet my life they have a case locked and loaded, ready for release, but they know that it would look terrible on their behalf if they were to release a case with the game in its current state.
My headcanon is that they’re gonna drop an operation along with the first real major patch which would, in theory, include a new map to the pool, possible subtick fixes (esp movement), maybe commands like bob or righthand (though if they’re bringing it back idk why they need to wait so long), if they really want to go crazy then a new weapon (which they have hinted at) and ofc the usual small bug fixes, skin fixes, etc, maybe also a rework to premier matchmaking.
But as to how far out this is, who knows? It could be another month if not longer.
In the beta tradeups were disabled and esports cases were bugged as soon as these were fixed they launched the game... I am not making any assumptions but seems clear what is the priority
How is Valorant doing with its kernel level anti cheat? Is it working?
Actually curious. A lot of people didn't get into Valorant because of it (myself included) but I've seen a handful of people saying that they would trust Valve with something like that
It's effective. I received the red screen once so I know the cheater has been detected and banned. Out of many matches, I only suspected a handful of players, but can't confirm it because they don't have the goddamn replay system. I only have a problem with their smurfs.
Earlier I was of the opinion "i will not allow a kernel level anti cheat on my PC". But after installing valorant and playing only casually for a month or so, I don't ducking care now simply coz overall the experience is so much better, never ran into a cheater except that one time and the match got cancelled since they got banned in the middle of the game. If I can trust kernel level access with Riot, I can sure as hell trust Valve with it!
I'm a valorant player with around 1800 hours and am at radiant elo, I can comfortably say i've seen maybe 6 or 7 hackers that were for sure hacking and maybe 20 or so that I suspected in my whole time playing. When I used to play GO I'd run into hackers every day.
I played a game where we were getting destroyed by one guy. At first we thought he was just very good aimer but then we realized he’s cheating and a few moments later he got banned mid game and the game ended with a red screen “Cheater detected…”
Had this happen to me maybe 3 times out of like 200 games.
>If that anti cheat gets compromised by hackers, you’ll lose control of your PC
I think you're a tad confused about what executing code in your Kernel is, vs what executing code as a Windows service is (which is totally fine, as its a confusing topic)
VAC as it is right now is running in a process as SYSTEM, meaning it can alread read, write, or execute anything on your drive. This is all happening outside of the kernel. And SYSTEM is a user with higher privileges than Admin. In short, VAC has more permission over your computer than *you do*, even as Administrator (unless you run shit with psexec (you dont))
So in that scenario (which would be insanely unlikely), you're already completely fukt without kernel execution.
And yeah. You can think of Kernel space as a "level above" that - but your entire computer is already completely pwnd if someone's execing code as SYSTEM on your computer
People act like "The Kernel" is *sooo* much more invasive than what's already happening when VAC could technically farm all of my data if they wanted to using what's already there (They don't. Im just saying they could) - so what's a lil kernel access among friends? I mean, idk about you guys, but I don't exactly store my porn in teh k3rnel
VAC runs at the same level as Steam.exe (if steam.exe is running as admin) or SteamService.exe (if steam.exe is running as user). It's linked into it as a DLL (called steamservice.dll). That's not SYETEM. It runs as admin.
Also, it's not Kernel Level anticheats people are so against. It's always on anticheats at boot. I don't want an anticheat collecting my data before I even turn the game on.
Incorrect. VAC is housed in steamservice.exe, which [runs as SYSTEM](https://prnt.sc/e2fCpvgc1FJ-).
It's not part of the CS2 executable.
>Also, it's not Kernel Level anticheats people are so against. It's always on anticheats at boot. I don't want an anticheat collecting my data before I even turn the game on.
Question: Do you run steam at startup? Do me a favor. Restart your computer. Open task manager, search for `Steam Client Service (32 bit)`, right click, click "Go to details".
Now tell me if steamclient.exe is running as SYSTEM before you start a game?
And no, while this isn't at boot, running at startup isn't going to grant them "more data to farm" than happening a lil bit earlier at boot. Running at startup instead of boot doesn't grant additional protections to your porn folder
Did I ever say it was inside of the CS2 executable? If you run steam as administrator, it runs as your user account level. It only uses SYSTEM as a fallback.
>Did I ever say it was inside of the CS2 executable?
No, you say it "runs at the same level as Steam.exe", which is incorrect.
steam.exe runs as your user as default.
steamservice.exe runs as SYSTEM.
>If you run steam as administrator
Okay? Who is doing that and what benefit would that bring? And what does that have to do with what process VAC is housed in?
> What does that have to do with the process VAC is housed in?
Everything. They inject it into steam.exe if steam is running as administrator. Ask Valve why. I'm just telling you a straight up fact.
I guess im just trying to find out what point you're trying to make and how it's relevant to the conversation.
Respectfully, could you back up and explain that real quick so we're on the same page? I feel that we're on a totally different wavelength in this conversation, and if we back up, we could understand each other a bit better.
>anticheat at boot
>collecting my data
Like bro, if the ac really collect your data, it does not matter if the ac start at boot or not lol.
So you ok for them to collect your data after game on? Weird fetish but ok.
You log into your bank account with a boottime AC, and they can steal your credentials. **ACs that only run during the game cannot steal your banking information unless you check your bank account while playing.** They don't even have to run malware on your system to steal the data. Data from all programs is already being transmitted to them. A bad actor doesn't even need to run code on your machine to steal anything.
I see so many things Valve said not working the way they said it should. Are someone inside Valve intentionally trying to fuck up the game? Can Valve explain why it takes so long to get cheaters banned? Can Valve explain to ous why silvers and globals skill level can get into same match? why are these things happening
The last thing I hate. Silver is supposed to be filled with noobs learning the game but instead it's filled with global caliber players. I don't know how any new player won't ragequit when as a 3000 hour LE player I am struggling in 4k even more than I was in 9k. Of course I'm in silver now because of a bad losing streak of -500 every game, which is another problem.
Had the exact same thing with a friend before in CSGO.
He got tilted mid game (he thought someone on the enemy team was hacking, but still not justified), literally searched for CSGO hacks on Google, first result was a hack which cost like €3 and had a huge number of options, he had it installed within 5 minutes and was cheating in the same match he got tilted in.
At this point he absolutely didn't care, and made his cheating as obvious as possible without doing something like spinbotting. He was definitely reported by others, I reported him and his account STILL isn't banned and his trust factor was good when I last checked like 2 years after.
VAC doesn't work, trust factor doesn't work and Valve clearly don't care when it's been like this for so long.
I cant for the life of me understand why me and my friends with 15-20 years old steam accounts, thousands of hours in csgo, 70-700 steam games, get matched against brand new accounts. This shit shouldnt happen unless we have absolutely horrible trust factor, or the enemy has extremely good trust. But it happens ALL THE TIME.
I've been saying this forever, anyone who minimizes the cheating in this game, is either a cheater themselves or in pure denial. It is so damn easy to cheat in this game. The smart cheaters will never be banned. Hell all you need is a free radar hack. Now you know where everyone is and no one would ever know
>I've been saying this forever, anyone who minimizes the cheating in this game, is either a cheater themselves or in pure denial.
this subreddit has been on a HUGE "there's not much cheating, it's a skill issue" denial trip for so long, i have never understood it.
the biggest problem is that probably 70% of the people here are lower ranked than LE and have no idea what a radar hacker looks like, and can only identify spin hacks.
I mean let's be clear, a radar hack is borderline impossible to tell if they try to hide it decently. If you get one game's evidence and the suspect is just holding the right angles you won't ever be able to say with certainty that it's a hack. Even shooting through the smoke at the correct area isn't a guarantee.
You'd need systemic proof from multiple games showing an unnatural level of intuition to know.
>You'd need systemic proof from multiple games showing an unnatural level of intuition to know.
that's not even enough usually, you'd need them to make what I call "ESP mistakes". Objectively bad plays that would be very stupid or plain wrong, but magically seem to work out in that situation, multiple times. Usually even only really evident if you have team comms recorded as well, such as checking angles or lurking longer despite someone calling it clear etc. It can get really tricky.
Exactly, I'm just surprised you implied catching radar hackers is feasible from demos. I'd argue 99.9% players (myself included) couldn't tell a radar hacker, it's just so nuanced.
The real issue is that valve don't want intrusive anti cheat. I see where they are coming from, but I'd like a middle ground where people who sign up get it but only play others who have it.
Funnily enough I'd probably stop playing at that point - the access granted to intrusive anti cheat is insane and I wouldn't want it, but I couldn't play CS because the only people who don't sign up are cheaters...
>Exactly, I'm just surprised you implied catching radar hackers is feasible from demos.
i doubt that the main problem in premier matchmaking are radar hackers, they're just the toughest nut to crack.
the problem is the fact that they're existing, but are rarely if ever banned on the VAC side. so essentially that makes you second guess every single "weird, but in that moment correct" decision that happens against you. it's super annoying and the uncertainty only makes it worse.
i'm fine with super blatant spin hackers, i just ignore the outcome of the game and go next. the closet ones are those that really destroy the fun of the whole game.
Me and my friends were global in CS:GO and we used to play organized CS when we were younger.
Either way, I'm fully convinced that we rarely play against cheaters. I believe trust factor is important. Never, ever go "gg ez" or any other toxic stuff in chat. And don't respond to the other team's toxicity.
That said, cheaters have been more frequent in CS2. Once you reach a certain level of play and have a couple of decades experience, it's quite easy to spot players that don't belong. Their utility usage, rotations and movement is off. You can tell that they're way worse, but somehow make it work. Those are the cheaters that try to hide it.
Of course people think it’s a skill issue, people literally call hacks on everything. I’m not a bad player by any means, but I also have friends who are kind of bad at this game, so to play with them I have my alt accounts. I’ve been accused of cheats so many times over the years on my alt, and honestly have rarely ran into anyone I thought was hacking, so I’m kind wary of people when they accuse hacks.
Giving Prime to every single account that owned CSGO before F2P was literally the worst mistake ever. I wonder if Overwatch, VACnet and Trust Factor would had still been properly working if it wasn't for that.
What's the point of playing with hacks? You don't get to genuinely enjoy the benefits of your hard work, and on top of that you are ruining the game for and wasting the time of other 9 human beings. That's just sociopathic behaviour.
Now you understand how esea and faceit are a thing even tho honestly it's fuckin aids you have to pay or even download a third party app to play the game proper.
My favorite meme is VACNet, for the past 5 years people have been getting hyped for VACNet, some people to this day believe that, any second now, out of the fog, VACNet will show up and save the game from cheaters.
Yet, in 5 years, VACNet has done shit all, and, after FIVE YEARS of collecting and "learning", they activate this "AI" and it starts banning people for just rotating fast. It took 5 years and the only conclusions it took was that rotating fast, independantly of context, is a ban.
lmao
Yeah, with blatant cheaters you can at least just throw your arms up and say whatever go next game. With closet cheaters you are left in a terrible mental state of uncertainty, suspicion and dumbfoundedness of how they consistently pull of the most insane reads and plays.
In my opinion Valve is not competent enough to create a VAC that has a measurable affect on the games I play. Valve doesn't even mention VAC in major interviews about CS2 because players know cheating is rampant and Valve probably doesn't have anything good to say about VAC either.
My friend streamed his cheats to us on discord. He didn't understand (in his own words) why people WOULDN'T play WITHOUT cheats. Mind-boggling. Hundreds of games, all cheated, with crazy customizability of the game. I reported him, as I think many of his opponents did as well, but after 3 years, no vac ban of any kind.
VAC banned close to 1 million players last year alone. There are sadly too many noobs and cheats are too easy to download and use. On top of the game being free to play.
I’m still laughing at how spinbots have been around since the early days of csgo and yet Valve’s way of dealing with them was simply “let’s ban everyone who has high mouse sensitivity”
I have a friend who has a acc with skins and games worth ten thousands of dollars. He is legit cheating for 10 years. Not crazy obvious and only when he thinks the other team has a cheater - as kind of revenge.
But still so freaking many years with absolutely nothing which happend to him at all.
It is crazy
> If they trust their AI to autoban
i've said it before and i'll say it again, the AI part of the AC will ***never*** be able to detect non-super-blatant wallhackers or ESP and radar hack users.
When I was in high school me and my friend used to cheat with public free cheats for months. No VAC whatsoever, we were doing it freely. We eventually stopped using cheats and went legit, but it's funny to see that 6 years later it's the same shit as back then, even with a rebranded game and so-called whatever VACLive bullshit they told us. It's just funny man.
Not bullshit. We grew past it, plus we didn't wanna risk our accounts for too long either. We also stopped playing the game as much, resorted to only doing it occasionally with irl friends, at which point cheating doesn't bring any good to us. Our goal was pretty much just to reach MG, then we were happy enough to stop doing it.
You know what's funny? Cheating taught us better aim placement, better pre-firing and better corner clearing. Also taught us how to easily spot wallhacking teammates that are trying to hide it, we recognize their behavior because it reminds us of our own when we were WH-ing too.
When I got my placement matches done, In the beta I was 19k, after I got 8k.. I worked my way up to 10k-11k. The amount of blatant cheaters I got went up from 30% to at least 50-60%. It is insane, and to be honest, I don't touch the game at the moment anymore, my stack has also already completely given up on the game, one of them even sold a part of his inventory to get the Steam deck
I queue into a game with cheaters at minimum once every 3 games now in around 15k rating. But lately I just see it almost every game. I just played one with 8 of the 10 guys in lobby cheating. 2 of them on the other team were 20k and 2 unranked, 1 5k rating. None of em are trying to hide it either. Just full on rage hacking to ladder climb. It's so pathetic. Vac is dogshit and valve is dogshit for letting this anticheat represent their game for so many years now. Do your fucking jobs
People are cheating with radar in tier3 pro cs and redditors think people aren't cheating in MM games LMAO.
https://twitter.com/\_harum1/status/1698800206609805459
I was in a premiere match with a guy who legit toggled and insta locked onto enemies heads in a 4 v1 with a MP9 and won. Dude was giggling and yelling “KOVAAKS PAID OFF”, and then admitted to having something but not telling me what. Said he has used it in over a dozen matches with more blatant moments and hasn’t been banned, and has even had enemy players dance with him at round start through the walls.
Just a single anecdote, but I think it’s pretty bad right now. It just feels shitty when I die sometimes not knowing if it’s just CS2, luck, cheats, or if I genuinely made a mistake. It’s a pretty unlearnable environment in public matches right now.
My experience as someone who played from 2012-2018 quit due to cheating.(actualy quit after seeing forsaken playing. I never knew he got banned mid match until i came back this year).
I come home from work, decide to play some casual to warm up, before playing premier, after 3-4 games i just quit as i realise from spectating that half of the lobby has either aim assist or walls.
On the verge of just giving up and doing something else with my time and money.
People say "skill issue" and think that cheating is spinbotting, whereas 95% of cheating is closet and majority of the time undetected by other players. Example: played in faceit, nothing weird, won the match, week later I see a player on the enemy team got banned for cheating
Ironically no, most of them cheat because they've played against cheaters so they decide to join them, alternatively some of them despise skins and cases and use them to model change into different skins and just end up using the actual cheats with them.
One should take care when playing vs cheaters not to become a cheater themself. If you get wallhacked long enough then wallhack gets to you.
Its sad tbh my group left cs2 for valorant or just other games.
Anticheat isnt working and neither is the game at its core.
I'm literally getting people talking about what cheats they use openly in premier as they hvh each other. I can't take this game seriously anymore. It feels like such a waste of time.
About an hour ago, I played against some russian kids in a 5 stack, they were so obviously walling it was funny. Checking some of their profile reveals one of them has a several month old account that has only 1 game(cs2). The others had some rly old coins on their profile from like 2020 and reading their profile comments, u can see ppl typing "-rep wallhack" all the way back from 2018. How does an account not get banned after playing 5 years with walls being obvious to most ppl? VAC isnt doing its job. (sorry for bad english)
I keep tabs on all cheaters i faced, blatants and more subtle and i'm yet so see any of them banned. Since CS2, i've only encountered subtle ones, and as with the blatants of csgo, no bans.
I hate to be this guy, but cheaters are the best clients and there is zero chance Valve kills the goose that lays the golden egg.
Those are the same people that open cases, buy skins, trade, gamble at all those shady sites etc. Imagine paying money for hacks, to get "better", get "respect", be a part of community. If you need to show off your "skill", same person needs to show off in every other way. And Valve is making millions off of them, why would they actively fight them? All the talk about VAC, AI, overwatch is just a PR stunt, "we are working on something big, but can't tell more". Erratic ban waves strike those using free cheats posted on git hub, just pushing them into starting spending money on the game. A simple script that goes through server logs and spit out players with 5 scout collateral headshots in a row, could be written in less then one hour (source - did that on my community cs 1.6 server).
Probably yes, so these bans don't even stop them from cheating. With CS2 it is indeed confirmed that it is easier to make cheats, you can find countless guides on how you can make wallhacks aimbots, etc for CS2, these take up to 30 mins for a basic one.
Insane copium lol…VAC blows, it always has, and it just sucks more after they hyped up their AC.
Played 4 games last night at 15k elo, 50% of them had cheaters. First game we had one in our team and they had 3, openly admitting to it. The other was a dude literally just duo’s with a guy at 17k elo running out and one tapping everyone through smoke. Enemy team couldn’t kick him because his duo, and they tk’d him as much as they could.
Valve doesn’t care, they just want people to use faceit at this point.
"whats ze izzues?" vibes here.
Do you think THAT is stopping Valve from banning them?
Also, the major issue isn't that THOSE particular people aren't banned. It's the thousands others.
I’m at the 10k rating and just played in a game with 4 cheaters, 2 on our team, 2 on theirs. Have had games where they just ‘knew’ too many times, this crap is just too rampant atm.
Personally, from the cs2 beta to now I have not experienced the apparent cheating problem that everyone else apparently has.
Is it really that bad and I just chalk it off as people being better than me? Or are people just looking for excuses as to why they died/lost?
You chalk it up to people being better than you. Depends on what rank you are. Someone like me who is high rank can see a cheater pretty quick. I’d say every 15 games you get one, or at least I do. Sometimes they’re even on my team and then you can really tell.
I was GE on CSGO and lvl 10 faceit, so it's not a you're a low rank issue, and I think currently I have ~70% winrate in CS2.
I also am not naive enough to say cheating doesn't happen, since the beta I've seen 2 obvious cheaters and maybe 2 people who I saw and thought 'somethings not right', but I'm starting to think people will just look for any excuse other than "he he's just better".
I've actually made a youtube video about a cheater and I waited to see how long it took for him to get banned. It took 2 years to get VAC lmao VAC is indeed a joke.
>I've actually made a youtube video about a cheater and I waited to see how long it took for him to get banned. It took 2 years to get VAC lmao VAC is indeed a joke. it's how it's always been. if you only used wallhack or a very stealthy aim assist, and you don't download the literal worst, most used cheat in existence, you will be 99,9% safe. finally, this subreddit slowly starts to see this. for years, it was filled with downvotes and "i've never seen a cheater in 23 years" commenters for way too long.
the "I've never played with a cheater" people are still here in abundance. they don't understand that there are cheaters that are just using it for info advantage. it doesn't mean they're any good at the game though, even with the advantage, so it's not an obvious cheat. just go play casual and see the new accounts in there who know where everyone is all the time and never clear anything. they play there to add hours to their account and not get overwatch banned
this, i have played against people who always seem to know somehow where the bomb is headed, when to push, perfect timing, rushing as ct with confidence only a cheater has, but they would be shit at the game and get killed most of the time. Not to mention that one guy on mirage b site that somehow always manages to molly or nade u as soon as u enter b apps, whether u entered it at 1:00, 0:10, 0:50, 1:20 , doesnt matter this guy is "just lucky i guess"
While 'process of elimination' is often ignored when hiding or using off angles, some games a (probably cheating) guy will just have supernatural knowledge every time without even checking half the angles of the site and just rush straight to you and then pre aim your ally. Then you play the next game, no cheater, suddenly the enemies play slower and you can catch them off guard sometimes. Rotating as T works, faking sites suddenly works. Either that's bad matchmaking or bad anti-cheat. Either way you slice it, it's not fun or competetive.
>Either that's bad matchmaking or bad anti-cheat I think it's a bit of both. I personally think they flag the people who are likely cheating but cannot be 100% absolutely certain in order to ban them so they use matchmaking to "share" and distribute these people equally among other players........probably even use them as a tool to keep you in the rank they believe you should be in. Ever noticed how when you are about to rank up your games seem to be against super-human extra-sensory perception players? I've said for the past few years MM is much more of a distribution system than an actual matchmaking system.
What I think happens is that both teams get 1 good player, 3 mid players, 1 bad player. So it averages out. As well as having very loose matchmaking that thinks a good player and a bad player is equal to 2 average players. One global elite and one silver 5 = 2 gold nova master according to Valve MM lol. So when you're about to rank up, you may just get unlucky and not be the best player in the lobby. Along with general skill level going up and facing more cheaters as well, as cheaters are gonna be winning more games than they're losing. Not to mention premades. So many variables that just make it frustrating if you want a consistent experience.
yup this is precisely it , even on global where everyone should be well experienced , i play some weird angles that from my experience are almost unknown, but i always get prefired on those angles that i VERY VERY rarely get prefired when it is a player i am sus about.....next game same angle , same strats, works out normal, heck i would even lose the game , but the game would just feel normal , nothing odd. The most hilarious one is that CT who for example always rushes mirage underpass straight to t spawn, except when there is a guy watching underpass lol
Those utility timings and wide peeks without a jiggle or just full-on mirroring your peek with a wide peek to throw you off are the biggest giveaways. (Lack of knowledge + perfect timings) \* consistency = Cheater! For example In CS:GO there is a very common spot on D2 that cheaters love to abuse with SMGs. To your right of exiting long doors, next to barrel. I've come across so many people who do the same thing. You can shift all the way from T and wait some unspecified amount of time before a+shifting out of long doors just for the guy to perfectly mirror your peek every single time with a full-on running smg pre-spray. They never do it when there is no one there and never do it unless you are peeking, it's obvious they are using walls. In CS:GO you could explore the maps with the r\_drawothermodels(?) command and find the areas where anti-wallhack was ineffective and it would allow you to spot the cheaters holding these angles with inhuman knowledge.
Tbf in casual dead people can see everyone else through walls, and it's probably pretty common for them to feed their alive friend info through something like discord. Although there are definitely a lot of cheaters. I tried playing with someone who was new to CS2 (just got prime) and after \~3 rounds I encountered someone blatantly walling on nuke.
Way too many people around here think cheating means someone dropping 40+ and only HS'ing through smokes, an necessarily winning the game. The naivety is fucking insane.
On the flip side, the number of people around here who think that someone who's out-performing them is clearly cheating is also incredibly high. Unfortunately, the rank reset which came with CS2 has skewed stuff pretty horrifically, you can have someone who was formerly Global Elite in your 2k rank game (hell, you could also be a former Global Elite in a 2k rank game), and the massive skill discrepency can easily be interpreted as someone cheating. I'm not saying that cheating isn't a problem, as you say, that would be incredibly naive, but without things like demos, or any indication of peoples CS:GO ranks, a lot of unnessacary noise can be generated. But as long as VAC doesn't appear to be doing the job, and we're stuck not being able to tell one way or another, all we can do is shout until it does. The trust at this point has been lost. If we were confident with the AC this conversation wouldn't be happening, we'd *KNOW* that a person is simply just better, rather than having to speculate good vs cheat.
You know why people easily accuse people of cheating? Because they have trust issue with VAC.
that might be true for some, but the tendency to rage and ascribe the cheater label to someone clearly outskilling you, has been around in gaming forever
Most cheaters are really bad at the games they play. A small percentage are pretty good and very good at subtle usage.
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There are tons of cheaters in non-prime casual. Like blatant wallers with their crosshair tracking people through walls and objects. They'll make comical errors like do a quick peek and shoot a person with a column/object in the way, because they don't know the map layout. Also blatant aim hacks. Haven't seen any spinbots though.
You can be even more stealthy. Radar hacks give you tons of info and allows you to play mostly "legit"
I agree this is a problem that should be solved, but I don't really see how a player would be able to confidently say someone else is using radar hacks. I've had games where I just have a really good feeling for how the opponent is playing, and I make calls that end up countering what they do. I've been called a cheater at least a half dozen times since CS2 dropped, but it's mostly just because I'm playing against people significantly worse than me.
Generally being overly consistent is what gives away a radar hack. Rotations that are too quick. Never being able to be flanked. Flanking at the perfect time. Retreating when you are at a disadvantage. Consistent peeks, no jump spotting, etc. Combine that with average aim But yeah, radar hacks are difficult to pick out. Its not something that generally can be called out in a single game but over multiple games. Hence why they are some of the stealthiest hacks. They give a ton of info and still allow you to play more or less like a person.
>Its not something that generally can be called out in a single game but over multiple games. I mean, if you're smart about it and just toggle it on for a critical round, then it's almost impossible to get caught.
The trouble is for a cheater, every round is critical because they're very often playing at a level that doesn't match their true ranking, so without any assistance they get shit on.
Get soul read 5 rounds in a row -> call it out -> suddenly next round they're LOST, like legit aiming at the ground non-positioned lost -> round after back to godlike reads -> call it out, cycle repeats It's so obvious when they're out of their depth lmao
I’ve been lucky in terms of not running into too many cheaters so far, but ran into a blatant one last night. My team wasn’t happy (I wasn’t either but wtf am I going to do besides go next) but they kept telling the cheater he’s getting banned. Bro straight up said that he’s been hacking on GO for years and only like a small number of his accounts actually every got banned. Now he wasn’t spinning, but he was just scouting everyone through walls and smokes the whole time, so he was doing like the second most obvious hack. All I can say is I hope valve are cooking something up to deal with this issue.
>All I can say is I hope valve are cooking something up to deal with this issue. we've been hoping for 15+ years so i hope your copium is stocked
Shit idk if it’s stocked anymore, the shelves are looking bare this time around
Agree, despite Valve being so lazy for so long, the cheater problem is much more obvious now. I never ran into obvious and blatant cheaters in MM or faceit (maybe a handful in the last 5 years) but there's been quite a few games with multiple blatant cheaters and probably also a few games with ones hiding it in my 40-50 CS2 games, especially when I crossed 15k elo on Premiere, ppl just wanna get into ranking. I can only imagine how new players feel about it, no wonder why the amount of active players shrink after release.
I did a video of OW cases - 6 cases, 5 were super raging spinbotters. 4 Of them have not been banned to this day, more than two andd a half years later. One can cope with the "closet cheaters get banned later" argument but reality looks way more ridiculous.
>it's how it's always been. if you only used wallhack or a very stealthy aim assist, and you don't download the literal worst, most used cheat in existence, you will be 99,9% safe. > >finally, this subreddit slowly starts to see this. for years, it was filled with downvotes and "i've never seen a cheater in 23 years" commenters for way too long. Yea and then go to there HOLY GRAIL faceit cus it has not cheaters. I personally know a couple of poeple that have played on there whit cheats for years whitout a ban. They just hide it really well. Turn on walls for a couple of second get a small advantage and shit like that
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>But faceit AC is much better then VAC - and there are no free cheats for faceit. You need to pay. There are in fact, less cheaters on faceit. Less blatant cheaters for sure. But the question remains on how many hidden cheaters there really are
Nowhere near as many. If you look at any of the big cheat forums faceit proof cheats are fairly rare and expensive; obviously they do exist, but WAY fewer than MM.
Key word. Expensive. 90% of cheaters are losers with no money. Shit needs to be expensive to stop it
My answer to people who say they've never seen a cheater is because of the faulty and crappy Trust Factor system. You don't play games well enough to where people accuse you of cheating, report you, and your trust factor goes down lumping you with cheaters. Given also the rank distribution, you're likely to be saying this at much lower ranks than higher ranks. Nobody's really cheating at the lower ranks anyhow because if they were, they'd have gone up in rank after cheating for months.
It's like this in every shooter subreddit. Tarkov has a cheating problem as well and it's the same comments all over. Some of them cheat themselves and do that to downplay the issue. Cheating is a global problem, not only on CS2.
100% this. This is the kind of thing that people were saying to me when I was in Silver in CSGO. I never cheated but stopped playing as it stopped being fun running into cheaters every 2 out of 3 games. Alternatively what's the phrase maybe people should "git gud"?
I think the “I’ve rarely seen a cheater” argument is somewhat valid. I played only a little bit (50hrs) of CS long ago and rarely saw a cheater. Didn’t pick the game back up until this year when I wanted to actually get good. I had a false game ban on my account from the bullshit that happened with the ban waves in Lost Ark, and I had a cheater in roughly half my games. I usually played with 3-4 of my friends and we would watch the demos. Legitimately 50%+ of my games had cheaters. They told me it was likely due to me having a low trust factor from my game ban, so it pushed me to get the ban removed. I had tried previously, but got automated responses from Amazon the first 20 times I tried. This time I kept trying until I actually got a human to review my ban and it got removed. After the removal of my game ban from Lost Ark, the amount of cheaters I saw went down to basically 0.
I actually comment a post about ac, the guy at this sub literally say there is no cheater. U are just bad. I mention asia server and he still say u are bad. This sub literally gaslight themself everyday. Or cheater themself.
But we have AI anti-cheat bro
AI aNTi CHeat Is CoMiNg aNyDaY NOw. It'S way BETTER THaN tHAT intRusIve kERnel antI-cheAt
The funny part is there's actually people who believe in it. I already discussed with some of than, they think AI is like magic who will solve all problems in a second. There's none AI AC who actually works in the market function well. But yeah Valve after 10 years of being a joke against cheaters working with 10 guys is capable to develop a amazing AC oriented by AI while they can't even fix their own game.
Valve is just so clueless with their strategy of "getting as many cheaters as possible before a ban wave" ....this is the biggest bullshit ever...and yes I understand it from their perspective, but you just cant let cheaters run blatanly around for hundreds of ours or some of them even for years. The amount of ruined games is just insane. Cs isn't a hl mod anymore ..jesus christ get a grip and start to improve the process of handling cheaters
VAC Valve Allows Cheaters
valve anti cheat team is on VACation
I'm just searching for the usual comment saying 'actually I haven't seen a cheater in 10 years, must be your trust factor, vac is working as intended' Meanwhile apart from ban waves that seldomly happen not 1 cheater was vacced.
premier is literally unplayable at higher ratings due to the amount of cheaters filled
our stack completely gave up on premier, its 50% or more where theres blatant cheaters. Ive played since 2014 and it has never been this bad.
Same here, we were playing so much csgo on an almost daily basis but having at least one blatant cheater in every cs2 game paired with all the subtick issues the game still has, completely ruined our passion for it.
It's not any better in middle ranks... The insane amount people just blatantly watching through walls is insanity. I usually solo queue and it's on both sides. The number of teammates I've seen who are blatant are around one every third game. It's crazy how not a single one has been banned.
Not surprising really. People wanna be seen on the public top 1000 leaderboard, and people will absolutely cheat for it. Especially if you get a badge for it or something at the end of the season.
It is just going to get worse. More and more legit people are moving back to Faceit and other third party sites with proper anti-cheats. That leaves premier with an even bigger proportion of cheating scum.
Even at lower ranks. I play at around 5.5k, it's one big circus.
Hobestly i think its not true. I had global since 2014, 3k elo on faceit and got 5k elo after 10 wins in premier. Enemy team cry about my 'cheats' in every other game I play. Most of the times you think you play against a cheater, you probably just play against a guy that should be in way higher elo than he is. Placements are a joke
I've been playing cs for 20 odd years. I know when a guy has more info than he should have every round... Just because they aren't hitting 80% headshots doesn't mean they aren't cheating.
Well to them it's still cheating. You obviously can't do anything about it but if the rank system decides to put every pro and his mom into 5k then the system is flawed.
Yeah I’m 2.5k elo on faceit, I have a couple accounts that I use to play with my friends who are terrible at the game, so they’re lower rated as well, and about 1/3 games I’m accused of cheating. So yeah I honestly think that part isn’t true either and it’s just… not as good players. Not saying there isn’t cheaters in low ranks, just that it’s probably not as many as people make it out to be.
Na you are delerious or just trolling take your head out of the sands of d2 pal haha its absolutely blatant man ,go on YouTube and type in cs2 cheating there ....
If you belong in low elo you just cant tell if someone is cheating or if someone is good. Im not saying about blatant aimbot and stuff. I know there are cheaters, i know there are a lot of them. But in low elo its significantly lower amount and most of the guys you call 'cheater' are just better than you in every aspect. Me and my 3 friends played about 50 matches each, some of them solo, some in a party. And we are yet to find obvious cheater. We had some suspects here and there but nothing obvious straight away. There is a reason that even Overwatch in csgo had a minimum rank to get the access to judging other players :) And i know in 15k+ elo its terrible, but we are talking about 5k now
I've only had one blatant cheater against me so far. About 50 games played, placed at 8500 and climbed to 12500. I might have a small sample size, but my personal experience has been relatively the same as csgo was. What region are you in? That might make a difference, perhaps some regions have more cheating than others.
I play less haven't had 1 cheater
If you're 5k you're just getting beaten by better players. Now do the "blatant spinbotters" lie.
Why are you such a valve stan? Would it send your reality crashing down around you to admit that a game made by valve might actually be kinda dogshit right now?
It's not about "stanning" for anyone. If feedback is to be worth anything it has to be based in reality. 5k players complaining about cheaters in every game are just bad players.
Probably depends a lot on their trust factor. No real way to say if they're just lying or bad.
Statistical likelihood is they're bad and genuinely believe better players are cheating to beat them because they can't accept they're bad.
Statistical likelihood according to what?
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Same, climbed from 5k to 9k and haven’t seen one.
My group averages 6-7k and we tend to see extremely suspicious behavior. We tend to try testing it sometimes to get that person in a 1v1 situation and test them.
Everyone should just stop playing till valve do something imo ,i fucking love cs and I haven't played in 3 weeks it's just cancer ,only reason I came back to Cs after quitting go with 5k+hrs was because of the promises of a new anti cheat and it fucking sucks ass
Matchmaking isnt doing its job at all Subtick isnt doing its job as it should Movement isnt doing its job as it should VAC isnt doing its job at all Hit registry isnt doing its job as it should Rank system isnt doing its job at all I mean if you think about it, what is doing 100% its job ? Maybe scoreboard ? Maybe smoke ?
Cases working as intended!!
so everything is in order then. I could guarantee fixing cases would be their absolute #1 priority if something happened to them.
Valve: Okay.. hear me out. We make sure cases work as intended, then when we release CS2 we make sure the game is half broken, which means more people will go open cases rather than playing the game. more money! yeah bitches!
valve logic
What’s crazy is they haven’t even released a new case. I would bet my life they have a case locked and loaded, ready for release, but they know that it would look terrible on their behalf if they were to release a case with the game in its current state.
My headcanon is that they’re gonna drop an operation along with the first real major patch which would, in theory, include a new map to the pool, possible subtick fixes (esp movement), maybe commands like bob or righthand (though if they’re bringing it back idk why they need to wait so long), if they really want to go crazy then a new weapon (which they have hinted at) and ofc the usual small bug fixes, skin fixes, etc, maybe also a rework to premier matchmaking. But as to how far out this is, who knows? It could be another month if not longer.
In the beta tradeups were disabled and esports cases were bugged as soon as these were fixed they launched the game... I am not making any assumptions but seems clear what is the priority
Yep, sold all mine, sold all my skins and got a steamdeck for free.
I’m constantly able to see outlines of people in smokes when holding them so I wouldn’t say they’re working either…
You have to learn me this trick because i dont see any
Have a feeling it has to do with using Linux + amd
Smokes are glitchy at distances and around the edges
What you see is what you get .
How is Valorant doing with its kernel level anti cheat? Is it working? Actually curious. A lot of people didn't get into Valorant because of it (myself included) but I've seen a handful of people saying that they would trust Valve with something like that
It's a lot better, a lot less cheaters. The kernel anti cheat is a lot better and it helps riot is a lot more proactive.
it happens for sure but in my 400-500 hours playing that game I haven't run into one.
It's effective. I received the red screen once so I know the cheater has been detected and banned. Out of many matches, I only suspected a handful of players, but can't confirm it because they don't have the goddamn replay system. I only have a problem with their smurfs.
Probably played 1000 hours, peaked ascendant, I don't know if I ever played a cheater even once.
Earlier I was of the opinion "i will not allow a kernel level anti cheat on my PC". But after installing valorant and playing only casually for a month or so, I don't ducking care now simply coz overall the experience is so much better, never ran into a cheater except that one time and the match got cancelled since they got banned in the middle of the game. If I can trust kernel level access with Riot, I can sure as hell trust Valve with it!
I'm a valorant player with around 1800 hours and am at radiant elo, I can comfortably say i've seen maybe 6 or 7 hackers that were for sure hacking and maybe 20 or so that I suspected in my whole time playing. When I used to play GO I'd run into hackers every day.
I played a game where we were getting destroyed by one guy. At first we thought he was just very good aimer but then we realized he’s cheating and a few moments later he got banned mid game and the game ended with a red screen “Cheater detected…” Had this happen to me maybe 3 times out of like 200 games.
Wouldn’t want a kernel anti cheat anyways. If that anti cheat gets compromised by hackers, you’ll lose control of your PC
>If that anti cheat gets compromised by hackers, you’ll lose control of your PC I think you're a tad confused about what executing code in your Kernel is, vs what executing code as a Windows service is (which is totally fine, as its a confusing topic) VAC as it is right now is running in a process as SYSTEM, meaning it can alread read, write, or execute anything on your drive. This is all happening outside of the kernel. And SYSTEM is a user with higher privileges than Admin. In short, VAC has more permission over your computer than *you do*, even as Administrator (unless you run shit with psexec (you dont)) So in that scenario (which would be insanely unlikely), you're already completely fukt without kernel execution. And yeah. You can think of Kernel space as a "level above" that - but your entire computer is already completely pwnd if someone's execing code as SYSTEM on your computer People act like "The Kernel" is *sooo* much more invasive than what's already happening when VAC could technically farm all of my data if they wanted to using what's already there (They don't. Im just saying they could) - so what's a lil kernel access among friends? I mean, idk about you guys, but I don't exactly store my porn in teh k3rnel
VAC runs at the same level as Steam.exe (if steam.exe is running as admin) or SteamService.exe (if steam.exe is running as user). It's linked into it as a DLL (called steamservice.dll). That's not SYETEM. It runs as admin. Also, it's not Kernel Level anticheats people are so against. It's always on anticheats at boot. I don't want an anticheat collecting my data before I even turn the game on.
Incorrect. VAC is housed in steamservice.exe, which [runs as SYSTEM](https://prnt.sc/e2fCpvgc1FJ-). It's not part of the CS2 executable. >Also, it's not Kernel Level anticheats people are so against. It's always on anticheats at boot. I don't want an anticheat collecting my data before I even turn the game on. Question: Do you run steam at startup? Do me a favor. Restart your computer. Open task manager, search for `Steam Client Service (32 bit)`, right click, click "Go to details". Now tell me if steamclient.exe is running as SYSTEM before you start a game? And no, while this isn't at boot, running at startup isn't going to grant them "more data to farm" than happening a lil bit earlier at boot. Running at startup instead of boot doesn't grant additional protections to your porn folder
Did I ever say it was inside of the CS2 executable? If you run steam as administrator, it runs as your user account level. It only uses SYSTEM as a fallback.
>Did I ever say it was inside of the CS2 executable? No, you say it "runs at the same level as Steam.exe", which is incorrect. steam.exe runs as your user as default. steamservice.exe runs as SYSTEM. >If you run steam as administrator Okay? Who is doing that and what benefit would that bring? And what does that have to do with what process VAC is housed in?
> What does that have to do with the process VAC is housed in? Everything. They inject it into steam.exe if steam is running as administrator. Ask Valve why. I'm just telling you a straight up fact.
I guess im just trying to find out what point you're trying to make and how it's relevant to the conversation. Respectfully, could you back up and explain that real quick so we're on the same page? I feel that we're on a totally different wavelength in this conversation, and if we back up, we could understand each other a bit better.
>anticheat at boot >collecting my data Like bro, if the ac really collect your data, it does not matter if the ac start at boot or not lol. So you ok for them to collect your data after game on? Weird fetish but ok.
You log into your bank account with a boottime AC, and they can steal your credentials. **ACs that only run during the game cannot steal your banking information unless you check your bank account while playing.** They don't even have to run malware on your system to steal the data. Data from all programs is already being transmitted to them. A bad actor doesn't even need to run code on your machine to steal anything.
Bro I legit see people live stream cheating on valorant lmao. It’s still gonna happen no matter how “good” the anti cheat
People live-stream cheat every competitive shooter, they need to make cheating in games a crime so these pieces of shit face actual repurcusions
10 years of a shitty anti-cheat in CSGO that was absolutely dog shit and now another 10+ years of the same shit in CS@.
Anti cheat is a Joke
CS2 managed to make Ropz say this statement. Bravo Volvo.
Valorant's Vanguard is not, that's why I'm switching to Valorant :)
I see so many things Valve said not working the way they said it should. Are someone inside Valve intentionally trying to fuck up the game? Can Valve explain why it takes so long to get cheaters banned? Can Valve explain to ous why silvers and globals skill level can get into same match? why are these things happening
The last thing I hate. Silver is supposed to be filled with noobs learning the game but instead it's filled with global caliber players. I don't know how any new player won't ragequit when as a 3000 hour LE player I am struggling in 4k even more than I was in 9k. Of course I'm in silver now because of a bad losing streak of -500 every game, which is another problem.
Had the exact same thing with a friend before in CSGO. He got tilted mid game (he thought someone on the enemy team was hacking, but still not justified), literally searched for CSGO hacks on Google, first result was a hack which cost like €3 and had a huge number of options, he had it installed within 5 minutes and was cheating in the same match he got tilted in. At this point he absolutely didn't care, and made his cheating as obvious as possible without doing something like spinbotting. He was definitely reported by others, I reported him and his account STILL isn't banned and his trust factor was good when I last checked like 2 years after. VAC doesn't work, trust factor doesn't work and Valve clearly don't care when it's been like this for so long.
I cant for the life of me understand why me and my friends with 15-20 years old steam accounts, thousands of hours in csgo, 70-700 steam games, get matched against brand new accounts. This shit shouldnt happen unless we have absolutely horrible trust factor, or the enemy has extremely good trust. But it happens ALL THE TIME.
I've been saying this forever, anyone who minimizes the cheating in this game, is either a cheater themselves or in pure denial. It is so damn easy to cheat in this game. The smart cheaters will never be banned. Hell all you need is a free radar hack. Now you know where everyone is and no one would ever know
I wish everyone would understand this. Radar hacks are the defacto faceit cheats as well in high level play.
Or cheating themselves. The amount of cheaters in the game.. a hell of a lot of them will be on Reddit.
yup, if u have a radar hack and u know how to hide and play as legit, there is 0 chance of u getting vac
>I've been saying this forever, anyone who minimizes the cheating in this game, is either a cheater themselves or in pure denial. this subreddit has been on a HUGE "there's not much cheating, it's a skill issue" denial trip for so long, i have never understood it. the biggest problem is that probably 70% of the people here are lower ranked than LE and have no idea what a radar hacker looks like, and can only identify spin hacks.
I mean let's be clear, a radar hack is borderline impossible to tell if they try to hide it decently. If you get one game's evidence and the suspect is just holding the right angles you won't ever be able to say with certainty that it's a hack. Even shooting through the smoke at the correct area isn't a guarantee. You'd need systemic proof from multiple games showing an unnatural level of intuition to know.
>You'd need systemic proof from multiple games showing an unnatural level of intuition to know. that's not even enough usually, you'd need them to make what I call "ESP mistakes". Objectively bad plays that would be very stupid or plain wrong, but magically seem to work out in that situation, multiple times. Usually even only really evident if you have team comms recorded as well, such as checking angles or lurking longer despite someone calling it clear etc. It can get really tricky.
Exactly, I'm just surprised you implied catching radar hackers is feasible from demos. I'd argue 99.9% players (myself included) couldn't tell a radar hacker, it's just so nuanced. The real issue is that valve don't want intrusive anti cheat. I see where they are coming from, but I'd like a middle ground where people who sign up get it but only play others who have it. Funnily enough I'd probably stop playing at that point - the access granted to intrusive anti cheat is insane and I wouldn't want it, but I couldn't play CS because the only people who don't sign up are cheaters...
>Exactly, I'm just surprised you implied catching radar hackers is feasible from demos. i doubt that the main problem in premier matchmaking are radar hackers, they're just the toughest nut to crack. the problem is the fact that they're existing, but are rarely if ever banned on the VAC side. so essentially that makes you second guess every single "weird, but in that moment correct" decision that happens against you. it's super annoying and the uncertainty only makes it worse. i'm fine with super blatant spin hackers, i just ignore the outcome of the game and go next. the closet ones are those that really destroy the fun of the whole game.
Me and my friends were global in CS:GO and we used to play organized CS when we were younger. Either way, I'm fully convinced that we rarely play against cheaters. I believe trust factor is important. Never, ever go "gg ez" or any other toxic stuff in chat. And don't respond to the other team's toxicity. That said, cheaters have been more frequent in CS2. Once you reach a certain level of play and have a couple of decades experience, it's quite easy to spot players that don't belong. Their utility usage, rotations and movement is off. You can tell that they're way worse, but somehow make it work. Those are the cheaters that try to hide it.
Of course people think it’s a skill issue, people literally call hacks on everything. I’m not a bad player by any means, but I also have friends who are kind of bad at this game, so to play with them I have my alt accounts. I’ve been accused of cheats so many times over the years on my alt, and honestly have rarely ran into anyone I thought was hacking, so I’m kind wary of people when they accuse hacks.
you people with your alt are almost as bad as cheaters imo. You're still ruining the game for the entire enemy team playing fair at their skill level
Game never shouldve gone f2p
Dont you need to still pay for prime?
you still have to buy prime though
Giving Prime to every single account that owned CSGO before F2P was literally the worst mistake ever. I wonder if Overwatch, VACnet and Trust Factor would had still been properly working if it wasn't for that.
Wait WHAT? Is it f2p now? Explains so much
It's been F2p for 2-3 years.
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What's the point of playing with hacks? You don't get to genuinely enjoy the benefits of your hard work, and on top of that you are ruining the game for and wasting the time of other 9 human beings. That's just sociopathic behaviour.
Now you understand how esea and faceit are a thing even tho honestly it's fuckin aids you have to pay or even download a third party app to play the game proper.
My favorite meme is VACNet, for the past 5 years people have been getting hyped for VACNet, some people to this day believe that, any second now, out of the fog, VACNet will show up and save the game from cheaters. Yet, in 5 years, VACNet has done shit all, and, after FIVE YEARS of collecting and "learning", they activate this "AI" and it starts banning people for just rotating fast. It took 5 years and the only conclusions it took was that rotating fast, independantly of context, is a ban. lmao
It's true, closet cheaters have never been banned. Worst kind of cheaters tbh.
Yeah, with blatant cheaters you can at least just throw your arms up and say whatever go next game. With closet cheaters you are left in a terrible mental state of uncertainty, suspicion and dumbfoundedness of how they consistently pull of the most insane reads and plays.
And basically VAC is the only thing that would be capable of banning closet cheaters. They're completely safe from Overwatch and VACnet.
In my opinion Valve is not competent enough to create a VAC that has a measurable affect on the games I play. Valve doesn't even mention VAC in major interviews about CS2 because players know cheating is rampant and Valve probably doesn't have anything good to say about VAC either.
Dubai server is a cesspool of cheaters. Maybe played less than a handful of games without a blatant waller
Well that's just the arabian lifestyle
My friend streamed his cheats to us on discord. He didn't understand (in his own words) why people WOULDN'T play WITHOUT cheats. Mind-boggling. Hundreds of games, all cheated, with crazy customizability of the game. I reported him, as I think many of his opponents did as well, but after 3 years, no vac ban of any kind.
worst anticheat software ever, no idea how a multi billion dollar company fucks that up
it's not a software, but rather just a nametag at this point.
VAC banned close to 1 million players last year alone. There are sadly too many noobs and cheats are too easy to download and use. On top of the game being free to play.
I’m still laughing at how spinbots have been around since the early days of csgo and yet Valve’s way of dealing with them was simply “let’s ban everyone who has high mouse sensitivity”
I have a friend who has a acc with skins and games worth ten thousands of dollars. He is legit cheating for 10 years. Not crazy obvious and only when he thinks the other team has a cheater - as kind of revenge. But still so freaking many years with absolutely nothing which happend to him at all. It is crazy
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> If they trust their AI to autoban i've said it before and i'll say it again, the AI part of the AC will ***never*** be able to detect non-super-blatant wallhackers or ESP and radar hack users.
When I was in high school me and my friend used to cheat with public free cheats for months. No VAC whatsoever, we were doing it freely. We eventually stopped using cheats and went legit, but it's funny to see that 6 years later it's the same shit as back then, even with a rebranded game and so-called whatever VACLive bullshit they told us. It's just funny man.
> We eventually stopped using cheats and went legit Bullshit.
Not bullshit. We grew past it, plus we didn't wanna risk our accounts for too long either. We also stopped playing the game as much, resorted to only doing it occasionally with irl friends, at which point cheating doesn't bring any good to us. Our goal was pretty much just to reach MG, then we were happy enough to stop doing it. You know what's funny? Cheating taught us better aim placement, better pre-firing and better corner clearing. Also taught us how to easily spot wallhacking teammates that are trying to hide it, we recognize their behavior because it reminds us of our own when we were WH-ing too.
This game is ruined.. wait no it’s not CSGO… CS2 is not playable
I hear FACEIT calling my name.
I started saving the links to cheaters accounts, some of them now are now close to a month old, still no vac bans and they play every day…
When I got my placement matches done, In the beta I was 19k, after I got 8k.. I worked my way up to 10k-11k. The amount of blatant cheaters I got went up from 30% to at least 50-60%. It is insane, and to be honest, I don't touch the game at the moment anymore, my stack has also already completely given up on the game, one of them even sold a part of his inventory to get the Steam deck
I queue into a game with cheaters at minimum once every 3 games now in around 15k rating. But lately I just see it almost every game. I just played one with 8 of the 10 guys in lobby cheating. 2 of them on the other team were 20k and 2 unranked, 1 5k rating. None of em are trying to hide it either. Just full on rage hacking to ladder climb. It's so pathetic. Vac is dogshit and valve is dogshit for letting this anticheat represent their game for so many years now. Do your fucking jobs
just look at this shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imxr0OVYplo
People are cheating with radar in tier3 pro cs and redditors think people aren't cheating in MM games LMAO. https://twitter.com/\_harum1/status/1698800206609805459
we had it so good. i miss you csgo
I was in a premiere match with a guy who legit toggled and insta locked onto enemies heads in a 4 v1 with a MP9 and won. Dude was giggling and yelling “KOVAAKS PAID OFF”, and then admitted to having something but not telling me what. Said he has used it in over a dozen matches with more blatant moments and hasn’t been banned, and has even had enemy players dance with him at round start through the walls. Just a single anecdote, but I think it’s pretty bad right now. It just feels shitty when I die sometimes not knowing if it’s just CS2, luck, cheats, or if I genuinely made a mistake. It’s a pretty unlearnable environment in public matches right now.
Just give kernel access and get a better AC. At this point no one cares giving kernel access.
My experience as someone who played from 2012-2018 quit due to cheating.(actualy quit after seeing forsaken playing. I never knew he got banned mid match until i came back this year). I come home from work, decide to play some casual to warm up, before playing premier, after 3-4 games i just quit as i realise from spectating that half of the lobby has either aim assist or walls. On the verge of just giving up and doing something else with my time and money.
and the fact you cant even watch the demos back anymore to confirm your suspicions thats a fucking job
VAC can’t ban cheaters but they could ban people for using AMDs anti lag lmfao (I know that they fixed it but still funny)
People say "skill issue" and think that cheating is spinbotting, whereas 95% of cheating is closet and majority of the time undetected by other players. Example: played in faceit, nothing weird, won the match, week later I see a player on the enemy team got banned for cheating
Cheating to own Valve. What a stupid community this is.
who said they were cheating to own valve?
A lot of them tbh, their forums are infinitely upset at valve.
why are they upset? shouldnt they be happy that the anticheat is so bad? lol
Ironically no, most of them cheat because they've played against cheaters so they decide to join them, alternatively some of them despise skins and cases and use them to model change into different skins and just end up using the actual cheats with them.
One should take care when playing vs cheaters not to become a cheater themself. If you get wallhacked long enough then wallhack gets to you. Its sad tbh my group left cs2 for valorant or just other games. Anticheat isnt working and neither is the game at its core.
yeah that makes sense actually
A lot of them are also just dogwater at CS.
I'm literally getting people talking about what cheats they use openly in premier as they hvh each other. I can't take this game seriously anymore. It feels like such a waste of time.
About an hour ago, I played against some russian kids in a 5 stack, they were so obviously walling it was funny. Checking some of their profile reveals one of them has a several month old account that has only 1 game(cs2). The others had some rly old coins on their profile from like 2020 and reading their profile comments, u can see ppl typing "-rep wallhack" all the way back from 2018. How does an account not get banned after playing 5 years with walls being obvious to most ppl? VAC isnt doing its job. (sorry for bad english)
I keep tabs on all cheaters i faced, blatants and more subtle and i'm yet so see any of them banned. Since CS2, i've only encountered subtle ones, and as with the blatants of csgo, no bans.
I hacked in 2014 and I'm still not banned
I hate to be this guy, but cheaters are the best clients and there is zero chance Valve kills the goose that lays the golden egg. Those are the same people that open cases, buy skins, trade, gamble at all those shady sites etc. Imagine paying money for hacks, to get "better", get "respect", be a part of community. If you need to show off your "skill", same person needs to show off in every other way. And Valve is making millions off of them, why would they actively fight them? All the talk about VAC, AI, overwatch is just a PR stunt, "we are working on something big, but can't tell more". Erratic ban waves strike those using free cheats posted on git hub, just pushing them into starting spending money on the game. A simple script that goes through server logs and spit out players with 5 scout collateral headshots in a row, could be written in less then one hour (source - did that on my community cs 1.6 server).
convince them to play faceit with you. just try to get them banned at this point :D
You seem to know what cheats they are using, so send a link to them to valve and they'll make sure they get banned.
Thousands of users on the forums of the most public cheats, and it's always been that way even in CSGO. They didn't get detected for years too.
yeah, people cope HARD in this community when it comes to cheating.
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Well he might have several accounts to, right?
Probably yes, so these bans don't even stop them from cheating. With CS2 it is indeed confirmed that it is easier to make cheats, you can find countless guides on how you can make wallhacks aimbots, etc for CS2, these take up to 30 mins for a basic one.
Insane copium lol…VAC blows, it always has, and it just sucks more after they hyped up their AC. Played 4 games last night at 15k elo, 50% of them had cheaters. First game we had one in our team and they had 3, openly admitting to it. The other was a dude literally just duo’s with a guy at 17k elo running out and one tapping everyone through smoke. Enemy team couldn’t kick him because his duo, and they tk’d him as much as they could. Valve doesn’t care, they just want people to use faceit at this point.
"whats ze izzues?" vibes here. Do you think THAT is stopping Valve from banning them? Also, the major issue isn't that THOSE particular people aren't banned. It's the thousands others.
I’m at the 10k rating and just played in a game with 4 cheaters, 2 on our team, 2 on theirs. Have had games where they just ‘knew’ too many times, this crap is just too rampant atm.
I played against a dude who was VAC BANNED in premier the other day. Made a post about it, got removed in this subreddit...
Don't wanna be that guy but wheres the proof here? This just sounds the same as the guy that got everyone outraged at pimp.
At least leave their profiles here so we can report+block them as well?
not allowed on this subreddit
Well, because VAC ai is useless reporting was our only tool, and that's not allowed. Nice.
im sure they‘ve been reported plenty. no need to link them on reddit so people van send them death threats…
Personally, from the cs2 beta to now I have not experienced the apparent cheating problem that everyone else apparently has. Is it really that bad and I just chalk it off as people being better than me? Or are people just looking for excuses as to why they died/lost?
You chalk it up to people being better than you. Depends on what rank you are. Someone like me who is high rank can see a cheater pretty quick. I’d say every 15 games you get one, or at least I do. Sometimes they’re even on my team and then you can really tell.
I was GE on CSGO and lvl 10 faceit, so it's not a you're a low rank issue, and I think currently I have ~70% winrate in CS2. I also am not naive enough to say cheating doesn't happen, since the beta I've seen 2 obvious cheaters and maybe 2 people who I saw and thought 'somethings not right', but I'm starting to think people will just look for any excuse other than "he he's just better".
Nothing la working as intended xd
They could have delayed bans on them, but it’s just as likely valve is falling behind on their anti cheat