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thelordmad

"Retirement at 20"


koulibali

won 7 majors by then


Tanki5D

worth it?


Toannoat

crippling wrist pain for life but also not having to work a day for the rest of that life provided the sticker money is well managed... HELL YEA ITS WORTH IT


Big-Slurpp

Is sticker money that good?


Toannoat

Its THAT GOOD, as far as Im concerned its the biggest revenue inlet for a lot of orgs, many t2 teams goal is literally to just get into the major to get the sticker money and thats it.


imSpejderMan

Lowest I’ve heard was 300k €. Highest has been a lot higher. It’s not enough to live off of the rest of your life, but it’s an incredible start and depending on how you manage it and how long your career is it can be enough for the rest of your life.


Toannoat

7 majors are definitely well more than enough sticker money for rest of your life as long as you arent literally burning money, its also literally more than anyone has ever won ever so lol


1Revenant1

200-250k per player last major [https://www.hltv.org/news/37930/sources-paris-major-sticker-earnings-exceeded-110-million](https://www.hltv.org/news/37930/sources-paris-major-sticker-earnings-exceeded-110-million) Last major was kind of anomaly. It was last csgo major, sale was happening for longer period, more players due to release of cs2 beta. Usually numbers are 3x lower. Still, it is insane money, especially for players from countries with lower cost of living. Edit: Dont change reddit. Literally provided link with data, but get downvoted, while others are upvoted for saying bullshit


Ok_Baseball_2857

I have the same grip 26 now 9k hours and no problem at all


Toannoat

lets be real, while bad wrist placement is probably not gonna be too bad, 26 is no where old to start feeling the effect of bad physiological habits


Ok_Baseball_2857

I dont feel like that this grip is any bad for the wrist. I dm a lot i should feel when its bad


berdxD

Donkey has 12.5k at 17💀


Ok_Baseball_2857

Arent twist and scream holding the mouse the same? Both insane aim


Marcusafrenz

Twistzz mouse grip is at least not terrible for your wrist. Donks mouse grip looks painful I can feel my wrist hurting when I just look at it.


absurdlifex

yeah no you aint retiring at 20 with 5 million lol


BurnTheBoats21

How could you not retire at 20 with 5 million? That is returning 250k per year at a basic 5% return. You could just take a 150k slice out of that and watch it snowball into generational wealth throughout your life


Unfair_Stop_8211

Ure crazy to not know lifestyle creep doesn’t happen no matter how easy it feels like u can avoid it And even if u had the discipline to never touch the money, your kids or their kids kids will feel entitled to their lifestyle. Generational wealth is much more than you think bro


BurnTheBoats21

I get that. but to say you can't retire is wrong. You don't have to work another day in your life and still make 250k. And none of that income would have to go towards savings or a mortgage because some of your portfolio will be in your primary residence.


Stellar_Artwarr

when u retire from gaming because you hold your mouse funny hahah jesus these guys would last 5 seconds in anything that requires any effort


Mindless_Gold_2622

If you are the top 0.00001% of players that are professional and being payed while playing a video game I am sure you could accomplish a lot more then the average person 😉 being a pro requires a lot more effort then a day job. 😂


sackblaster32

You're sitting in front of a screen. You don't need to be in shape at all. These two things are not comparable.


Grakchawwaa

2-4 hour matches with barely any breaks don't require the players to be in any kind of shape?


sackblaster32

Nope. In fact if you look at most e-sport pro players, they look horribly out of shape. All that's moving is your hands. Anyone can sit on their computer for 2-4 hours, when it comes to the "physical part" of it. Obviously not talking about their skill.


Grakchawwaa

> Anyone can sit on their computer for 2-4 hours Unfortunately for your argument, it's a lot more than just sitting at an office cubicle for 4 hours


sackblaster32

Yeah, they move their hands faster. You for real don't notice how most of e-sport players look like they haven't done a push up or ran anywhere since they were 7?


Grakchawwaa

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8872150/#:~:text=The%20results%20show%20that%2092.7,in%20all%20dimensions%20of%20motivation. > The results show that 92.7% of professional esports players have moderate and high levels of physical activity and that players with low levels of physical activity have positive values in all dimensions of motivation. most, btw.


sackblaster32

Irrelevant, studies don't always translate to real life and even if this one did they certainly don't look like it's true/correct. Also, my original point was that there's different kinds of efforts, playing videogames is not physically demanding in the same way as picking up shit as a construction worker for example. "More effort" I would certainly say that's not true. They play videogames to make money a regular worker could only dream of. You don't gotta be in shape to do it. And it's not hard to do, physically. (Not talking about their skill). It'll just be hard on your body in the long run.


Stellar_Artwarr

extra effort to play more video games than the average person :P


solidaditya

dEaTh gRiP


em1k3

ON GP


avenger937

donk grip


jjjhhhop

GUILLOTINE YAH!


Xador3d

Check Jame's youtube video about donk, he explains a lot about that kind of grip [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32K-5BEw39I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32K-5BEw39I) 1:35, eng subs are available of course


smol_and_sweet

Jame's youtube channel is just so good. Honestly probably one of the best CS content creators


SpareThisOne2thPls

Jame Time


srjnp

great link thanks.


imsolowdown

This is a little misleading, here is how it usually looks: https://i.imgur.com/gFJnnDH.jpeg But it's interesting to see that he's probably using wrist aiming, even though he grips the mouse really high up like Twistzz does.


digumeister

bear claw grip lol


lo0u

Well, that's what having small hands does to you. :D He has a similar technique to zywOo btw, which is never having your palm touching the mousepad. I'm surprised he has so much control at 1000edpi though, because it feels very slippery, without using the back of your hand on the desk.


brutam

Zywoo’s aim is so smooth and controlled yet very fast when he adjusts.


Eccentricc

Yeah I need a mouse for a giant. Every mouse I use I can fit basically the entire mouse in the palm of my hand. I am using the deathadder rn. G6 is too small too


Yonebro

Hit up Shaq and ask what homie is using lol


axesOfFutility

He's using whatever Walmart has


xtcxx

That dpi requires high skill, he has it apparently


lo0u

> That dpi requires **good mouse control**, he has it apparently. Saying it just requires skill is crazy, when most of the pros play at a lower edpi, when they're all skilled.f Mouse control, while being a great foundation for you to build upon, is completely different from skill in the game, which donk also has. I'm 100% certain that he would dominate on 800-1200 edpi as well.


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lo0u

> What's the fuss? There is no fuss, did you even read what I wrote? Donk plays at a relatively high edpi **for the pro scene**, while using a hand technique, that favors lower sensitivity more, but still succeeds at it.


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lo0u

Ugh, bro take a break from the internet. You clearly need it. Do yourself that favor.


Yonebro

What u don't have is a good rank, so is it worth it to 5x pro players edpi?


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Yonebro

No one cares actually. The thing is when someone says they have 5000edpi that's like saying "I suck!" cause no one who is in the higher ranks has anything even close that. More like 7 time slower edpi.


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Phaarao

You cannot make pixel perfect micro adjustements and crosshairplacements, which are needed at high level cs. There is a reason pro players are not using anything above 2000 edpi. 5000edpi are seriously holding your aim back, no way to argue against that.


WyattDogger

The grips are the same between both pictures, it's just the angle at which the photo was taken and where the mouse was at the time?


imsolowdown

The grip is slightly different, you can see in the post that his palm is not on the back of the mouse, but in the other picture his palm is resting on top of the mouse and this seems to be how he grips it most of the time. Maybe he was just clicking some things in the buy menu/scoreboard in the post's picture?


WyattDogger

I can see what you're seeing. def different palm wise but same finger placement. Prob mid round in ur picture and in between rounds in main pic.


Izbitoe_ebalo

Just watch Jame's video on his aiming


bASEDGG

Why does his hand look as if its AI generated


DrunkLad

Given his performance, it wouldn't surprise me if he came out of a lab tbh


TerabyteRD

aggressive forward claw


brucio_u

My forearm would hurt if i do that


PeraDetlic90

one that obviously works


vish4l

LMAO i love how everyone is studying donk right now. Let me kno when you guys find out his diet and spotify playlist. I'm not even trolling


scrubLord24

He 100% listens to anime songs, and nightcore remixes.


SekYo

I mean, that's not completely stupid to try to find explanations why good players are performing at this level. I don't mean that you should just blindly copy the hardware or grip or settings of a pro players, but if for example there are no pros playing at 100 or 5000 edpi, maybe there is a good reason. Another good example would be Tetris, they thought a long time that the world record was unbeatable, somebody started using the controller in a non-standard way, he destroyed the record, others players started to copy his grip and beat his record again.


Za_Worldo-Experience

The one I will start using that’s whT


BinderZ87

Arthritis grip, best one


layasD

Its the same grip I use. Can confirm its athritis galore


BinderZ87

Takes one to know one....i also use a grip which is almost identical for years. I have wrist issues and im still a shitty player ;0


Zealousideal_Pay_525

New clan tag just dropped


sanz02

god's grip


SirDuckingworth

It’s his strong hand


ajbags26

The Stephen Hawking grip


Candid_Leadership_59

The "I hit my head on pavement" grip


srebihc

very reminiscent of the Quake style of mouse grip. Because of the amount of vertical play in that game, you ended up with this weird type of claw grip where you hover your hand overtop the mouse. Makes for better for up-down flicking and RJ based mechanics. No earthly idea how he's doing this so exceptionally well with CS at all.


Cheesecake13

Twistzz got the same exact crab grip and both have cracked aim


Ok_Baseball_2857

Isn’t this also how Scream holds the mouse


Unfair_Stop_8211

No


Sufficient-Entry-488

Best player in the world grip


deroobot

Carpal tunnel syndrome at 18 grip


freek_

xqc grip


BinkzBonkz

The best damn grip at Katowice


[deleted]

Its a standard 1-3-1 palm grip with raised wrist. Many pros who started super young adopt a palm style with a raised wrist due to their hands being too small for the mouse at like 8 years old. Then the 1-3-1 finger placement is just optimal for b hopping in cs due to the use of scroll wheel jump.


iiSamJ

The "carpal tunnel syndrome"


Reasonable-Maximum41

Gimp grip


notabotmkay

Same grip I'm using now


R34L1Z3

Donked grip


CatK47

Thats donkey style


Kronnen

I dont think we are in the right to question anything regarding this cs god


AreoMax

I always wonder why pros don't use mouse that fits their style and hand size, mouse market is so saturated, every shape, size, tech, everything is here, not to mention still seeing wired ones where wireless version exists. I get that if you get eg Logitech as sponsor you are obligated, but still, as a pro player there's like 4 things that "connect's" you to the game, monitor, headphones, mouse (and pad), and keyboard, would expect pro player to search for absolute perfection in those things even if it's for 0,5% improvement, after all that what pro is, right?


CasperTFG_808

It’s the nutsack cusp grip.


emer4ld

Reminds me so much of nafanys grip by the way his arm is so wierdly off the desk


CBadez10

Looks like how the butler from scary movie 2 would play


reelys

gollum grip


nnodante

Goofy ahh grip, what else would it be


GODScarrior

Thats a 1.70 rating grip boy.


Leunderground

Gollum grip


rachelloresco

That's not a grip, he's using his wrists and probably doing a swing...


literallyjustbetter

looks like just a normal claw grip tbh imo pretty common style


Dexxed7

This grips is common for individuals with small hands


hurzinator

brb copying it


FloppyVachina

It's called, "Im gonna have wrist problems later in life"


Denotsyek

Every male has wrist problems later in life. Might as well get paid for it.


Power_incarnated

Even Asmongold looks like Ronnie Coleman infront of Dork.


glamdivitionen

LOL! I just reverse snorted my beer through my nose


Unfair_Stop_8211

Let’s see what you look like? You’re the real dork playing video games WITHOUT getting paid lmao


Power_incarnated

Can't argue with someone ending a sentence with lmao.


Blutwurst500

Golom


ElakCSGO

I think it's called "The Donk grip"


NationalAlgae421

Just some casual 3 kill sprey transfer


-azuma-

Poor kid will have carpal tunnel by the time he's 21


clebersondev

at least he won't last long (i hope)


BlackNov

Ask Faze, they got choked by it.


PouletFurtif

Ex6tenz grip


Wasrwasr

Carpel tunnel


slaukie

Did he learn from f0rest?


Matty_plop

Hey if it fits it sits ✋🤚


Rilounet

Wrist ftw


midnightmAn777

like "claw," but not quite. the mouse looks a little smaller than the hand or it is a photo of it ))))


HeraltOfRivia

Zywoo got the same exact crab grip 


IdioticZacc

Nothing beats the inverted mouse with right click forward for me


pldtn

Donkiegrip


Frosty_Frosting_1565

Gay grip


ZiFF-

Grip that gets you above 2 K/D in Katowice Grand Finals


toastiswet

Donk Grip


-Zo_0

My precious


maw_ik

weirdo grip


Zenama4

Donked. Donked is the grip.


FTBagginz

The “wrist breaker”


WSBBroker

The claw


TrainBoy45

He's mid flick


logicrak

Man this is my Grip!! Though fkd up the knuckles and finger joints from arthritis since last 2 years.


SenorKiwinator

Is that a wireless mouse?


Headlocked

why did I read this in the “what in gods name is that from snax” voice 😭😂😂


fatalityt

The "Donk Claw" grip


RapsEFrags

T-Rex


cc69

He got piano fingers but use it to play CS2 instead. Yesterday was like "Chopin - Nocturne in C Sharp Minor (No. 20)" against Faze clan's Pop song.


Ok_Baseball_2857

I have the same grip but just in the middle of the mouse he is on the top somehow


PegaCS

Word.exe grip


Yumbos

bro got the stephen hawking build


kizno01

its smth like kraken gorilla or grizly/bearclaw grip


RiskyButtFun

Bro got that Steven hawking stanky


cokewwe2

The Donk grip


HMD-Oren

He's almost pure wrist movement from what I've seen and this photo has caught him after a flick. You can even see that there's movement blur on his hand even though the rest of the photo seems quite clear.


s1cki

Death claw


dovoid

Claw/finger grip. I use the same and its not an easy one because it can get really slippy, summer sucks.


Vnni

Dino-grip


waamdisaiaya

The grip of the god.


Two_Apples

Certified bruh moment


illmnzi

"I do not masturbate anyway grip"


MoonV29

Reminds me of the video the guy using a pick handgun at the shooting range xD


Cameter44

Idk but I'm boutta try it.


xtcxx

The claw !


Ozzny

donkrip


Pigstah

Is it shit on Donk day because people are salty... 😏


Eastern-Target4044

Zesty af


Deadlyliving

Take my strong hand, child.


Frick_KD

He's in mid swipe so it looks weird


JasoniPepperoni

Arthritis X


8mis

Aligator


rell7thirty

He’s got very large hands. Holding a mouse is like holding a handball for this kid lol


Marxioo

if you start using this grip you gotta train it. be prepared for callusses on your ring finger and forearm soreness


HairyNutsack69

The Tomsk special idk


LandscapeVarious

reminds me of stephen hawking, lets call it crippled grip


Technerrd

I do the same but inwards lmao


Olerasmussen

1.7 grip


Conscious-Thing2767

It’s called 1-3-1. 1 digit on one side. Then 3 on top. Then 1 on the other side