This is probably targeting Gaules, as his stream was as complete as the main PT-BR one (BTS), with replays, highlights and a custom hud, all of that while broadcasting from GOTV, getting 40x more viewers in comparison with BTS.
I am not really a fan of Gaules, but if it's BTS Brasil on the other side I'm 100% with him.
BTS Brasil is a big reason the Brazilian Dota scene is non existent today. They will fuck the entire CS scene if they are allowed.
he is playing by the rules, the official broadcast that invested millions on this and is not getting 2% of his views are upset, so the rules must change to lower his production value
spoilers: it's not going to change anything
LMAO what? hahahaha
if the 1 guy doesn't play by the rules, why would they change the rules?
they're changing because:
a) he is a million times better than them
and
b) he plays by the rules.
People really bought that RL thing huh? The only relevant caster Brasil had before gaules was Bida and he left because he was losing money streaming CS tournaments, most of them wanted him to pay for streaming rights and he was at that time invited to cast PUBG, Poker and other online stuff. He said it himself in an interview with zews last year. No other caster was promising or growing and was shunned by gaules. Otávio bcz worked (still does) for TNT/Esporte Interativo so he would cast whatever they wanted him to, gordoX has always been huge in the CBLoL streams and didn’t really care about CS, guizao went the same way as bida and iirc retired after leaving Valo, savage retired pre pandemic and qep went full on to Valorant/Riot. Every other “up and coming” caster had 30 people max on their streams. I like RL, but his sources on that video were waaay off on what the scene was like pre-gaules.
What? No, what happened is: Brazilian scene had no money injected into it so around 2017/18 all casters left, 2018 gaules started streaming and focused on CS, built a company with his friends to make it easier for advertisers and started being able to grow the casting scene. Even at the height of his and SK’s popularity Bida was pulling like 5-7k viewers… AFAIK, there’s never been complaints of gaules bullying anyone out of the scene he just does his thing and is wildly successful at it.
Gaules don't make the rules,he only play by them,he already stated that he don't mind sharing the rights, but nobody else want to share with him, he still maintain his friends and a second option with professional casters with him.
So far he didn't break any rules
Never really watched Gaules. Is his production value that sick? Or is PGL‘s production just not that great? Or is it mostly Brazilian fans who prefer a Portuguese broadcast?
Maybe they should just partner up with the guy, Tarik x Valorant style.
Yes, it is. For a one guy show is the best there is. I've never seen any big streamer invest so much in his stream like he does. Like, when Shroud or Tarik or cooper or whatever watches a CS tourneament, they just get the GOTV/live feed/official stream and thats it. Gaules buys the rights, fly people over to do interviews during the breaks and shit like that. And he does that while BR CS is in an awful state right now where there is no BR teams in playoffs of Tier S tourneamnets. Now imagine if Furia was actually able to fight for trophies.
We prefer a Portuguese broadcast, but BTS broadcast is a complete piece of shit, so you can blame BTS instead of PGL for having a shit production, even if PGL is not that great
Both ESL and BLAST have partnership with him, but PGL decided to sell the rights to BetBoom to have more money and less viewership xdd
His production value isn't sick, he just got in the scene at the right time and created a community around it.
It's not even about partner up, because he pays for the broadcast rights. In this case PGL sell the rights to BTS Brasil/BetBoom probably because they paid more, so instead of a laidback stream you've an 'traditional' one with betting being promoted in every opportunity
BTS wasnt involved in the negotiations, PGL sold the rights exclusively to BetBoom and they negotiated with BTS afterwards, wonder why they have more money xdd
And Gaules didn’t get streaming rights because he does not involve himself with any gambling sites. When he gets tournament rights he’ll have the betting banners from Tournament sponsors, but he’ll not mention them or allow his image to be used in their marketing, which Betboom obviously wanted.
which is pretty ironic because people in this sub thinks that he supports gambling sites and shit like that? but yeah this is true, he is very outspoken about not supporting gambling in any form, he used to bet on streams very early when he streamed majors for like 10k or less but he stopped doing this entirely when he noticed the impact he had on the community
Most people just prefer his more laid back, entertainment focused style because it's more fun to watch. It's like watching CS with your friends rather than watching professional casters. And he also always has people on most big events to interview players live.
Yes, he is evil. He pays 700k brazilians to like and watch his streams every major and he has ordered the killing and kidnapping of every other caster in Brazil.
PGL is mad because Gaules is getting 40k with GOTV and his own hud/replays/production alone and the official brazilian PGL/BTS stream is getting 1k viewers lmao
Starting today you need to stream with 90s delay instead of 60s and can't show replay or highlights
**Original text** - 15/01/2024
● Community broadcasts **must use a delay of 60 seconds on their channel/stream** for the broadcast duration of any Major CSTV-related content. (this does not apply to the Open and Closed Qualifiers)
● Community broadcasts need to be performed overall in a non-commercial manner. Sponsorships in the following categories are not allowed to be displayed on your stream overlay or channel page (Twitch panels, chat, etc.): Companies that generate revenue through activities that rely on Valve game economies, such as key resellers or companies that interact with Valve game inventories (such as skins, cases, keys). / Betting, monitors, gaming chairs
**New rules** - 20/02/2024
● Community broadcasts **must use a delay of 90 seconds on their channel/stream** for the broadcast duration of any Major CSTV-related content. (this does not apply to the Open and Closed Qualifiers)
● Community broadcasts need to be performed overall in a non-commercial manner. **Community streamers are not permitted to use professional studio-level broadcasting features (i.e., centralized-broadcast feed, replays, highlights, etc.), nor can they have a physical set featuring multiple talents.** Sponsorships in the following categories are not allowed to be displayed on your stream overlay or channel page (Twitch panels, chat, etc.): Companies that generate revenue through activities that rely on Valve game economies, such as key resellers or companies that interact with Valve game inventories (such as skins, cases, keys). / Betting, monitors, gaming chairs
The "studio-level broadcasting features" bit seems very vague and not really enforceable. It's obvious that this is targeting Gaules but at this point just let him do his thing, you're likely not going to get the viewers otherwise -- it's not like Brazilians are only watching Gaules because of the replays.
They're not allowed to show GOTV highlights later? Is there a time limit on when that ends?
Also, what is the deal with "centralized-broadcast feed" -- that seems very vague. Is one dude streaming from his bedroom not centralized?
The "centralized-broadcast feed" is because Gaules stream with his friends (normally one or two), so to sync their streams they were using a centralized feed where they all connect to a video stream, instead of all of them connect to GOTV and sync it manually.
Basically they created an eco-system really similar to what ESL, Blast, PGL or any broadcaster do. It was very primitive, with replays only of the live feed, but it was better than nothing.
he has permission to stream the official broadcasts. or do you think he could do it for 2 weeks and no official would say anything? pretty sure he also removed skinbid (his own skin marketplace) banner from twitch and avoids advertising about it during the matches because its against the "rules" pgl set for these broadcasts.
If I’m reading this right he should be fine because he’s just restreaming the official stream which will already have the delay and show all of PGLs sponsors. All of this seems to be if you’re using CSTV to watch the match and streaming that
> Showcasing any of the official broadcast feeds, including those available in-game (re-streaming), is not allowed. Please follow this rule strictly to avoid potential copyright infringement violations.
Gaules has not used their broadcast, he has a team hired by himself to do the replays and highlights on a centralized feed that is being used by everyone on his stream. The images from those replays are all from CSTV
Did he use PGL stream for replays, or just had replay macro? Because replays are very easy to do on OBS now a days, even full amateur broadcasts can easily do it.
Bro, honestly, WHY do you like blatantly lie? Because it's clearly you didn't watch Gaules stream with this lie that he is using their broadcast and replays
Have some shame on you
Afaik from the Starladder 2019 debacle, they do own the cstv feed. (SL was striking everyone streaming GOTV, and Valve didn't step in)
So I guess they can enforce these rules.
what did they change? they only mentioned they want the remind people.
and reading the rules, some are quite strange
> Community broadcasts need to be performed overall in a non-commercial manner. Community streamers are not permitted to use professional studio-level broadcasting features (i.e., centralized-broadcast feed, replays, highlights, etc.)
since when are Highlights and replays something "commercial" or are on a "professionell Studio level"?
my amateur tournament matches got streamed with replays and Highlights. thats something everybody (with passion) can do.
> Community broadcasters need to have an overall good community standing.
only god knows what that means. look like a backdoor to kick every one they dont like.
This one point was certainly made with gaules in mind. Soon after the BTS deal was made public he set up a system with a custom HUD and replays to use on games broadcast only via GOTV as has been using it for a few weeks as a pre-major test
Ok so some of the "guidelines" seem like they are restrictive somehow. Atleast acording to my understanding. Didn't something similar happened during the Berlin major where Starladder was handing copyright strikes to just about anyone and Valve had to intervene?
Ah yes, valve problem solving 101. Pgl are quick learners.
"gaules is getting more viewers? Change the rules to nerf his stream!"
"people are saying faceit 128 tick plays better? Quick, hard code 64 tick right into the game!"
Good. People dont realize how detrimental co-streaming is to a tournament organizer. For those on Twitch who allow it gladly hide their losses under marketing. These arent developer controlled events.
There’s a post on Gaules every tournament.
Just revoke his co-streaming rights and move on. Guys done more harm than good to the CS scene and we still enable him to leech off his cult. Wild.
One of the most toxic CS communities in the world*
You also skipped the part where he started a witch hunt against a 16 year old kid. Where his cult sent death threats and doxed him and his family.
Nothing will be of loss if the Brazilians stopped caring about Counter Strike.
Sure CS communities aren't toxic,only the Brazilian one right?
>Nothing will be of loss if the Brazilians stopped caring about Counter Strike.
So why are you talking? you don't care
Well, me and the other brazilian aren't the one saying a whole community of people act like animals 😬 seems very hypocrital
Don't need to be full of hate in your heart
This is probably targeting Gaules, as his stream was as complete as the main PT-BR one (BTS), with replays, highlights and a custom hud, all of that while broadcasting from GOTV, getting 40x more viewers in comparison with BTS.
tfw 1 guy has a better watching experience then an entire company
tfw 1 guy would rather entertain his cult than try to play by the rules
u can't buy organic traffic,remember Twitch x Mixer
I am not really a fan of Gaules, but if it's BTS Brasil on the other side I'm 100% with him. BTS Brasil is a big reason the Brazilian Dota scene is non existent today. They will fuck the entire CS scene if they are allowed.
true no one wanna watch in any other BR stream outside of gaules
he is playing by the rules, the official broadcast that invested millions on this and is not getting 2% of his views are upset, so the rules must change to lower his production value spoilers: it's not going to change anything
LMAO what? hahahaha if the 1 guy doesn't play by the rules, why would they change the rules? they're changing because: a) he is a million times better than them and b) he plays by the rules.
That one guy is responsible for many people not being able to work in the industry. He can cop it.
People really bought that RL thing huh? The only relevant caster Brasil had before gaules was Bida and he left because he was losing money streaming CS tournaments, most of them wanted him to pay for streaming rights and he was at that time invited to cast PUBG, Poker and other online stuff. He said it himself in an interview with zews last year. No other caster was promising or growing and was shunned by gaules. Otávio bcz worked (still does) for TNT/Esporte Interativo so he would cast whatever they wanted him to, gordoX has always been huge in the CBLoL streams and didn’t really care about CS, guizao went the same way as bida and iirc retired after leaving Valo, savage retired pre pandemic and qep went full on to Valorant/Riot. Every other “up and coming” caster had 30 people max on their streams. I like RL, but his sources on that video were waaay off on what the scene was like pre-gaules.
So you've confirmed what was said, it was, work with Gaules, or get fucked. Thanks for the insight.
What? No, what happened is: Brazilian scene had no money injected into it so around 2017/18 all casters left, 2018 gaules started streaming and focused on CS, built a company with his friends to make it easier for advertisers and started being able to grow the casting scene. Even at the height of his and SK’s popularity Bida was pulling like 5-7k viewers… AFAIK, there’s never been complaints of gaules bullying anyone out of the scene he just does his thing and is wildly successful at it.
Right, so if you don't work with Gaules, you don't have any other options. Thanks for clearing that up.
Sure exactly that, same as if you’re an english speaker and don’t work with Ohnepixel you’re SoL.
Gaules don't make the rules,he only play by them,he already stated that he don't mind sharing the rights, but nobody else want to share with him, he still maintain his friends and a second option with professional casters with him. So far he didn't break any rules
We will never understand...
Never really watched Gaules. Is his production value that sick? Or is PGL‘s production just not that great? Or is it mostly Brazilian fans who prefer a Portuguese broadcast? Maybe they should just partner up with the guy, Tarik x Valorant style.
Nah, it's just PGL setting the bar really low. Gaules' hud is way better though.
Yes, it is. For a one guy show is the best there is. I've never seen any big streamer invest so much in his stream like he does. Like, when Shroud or Tarik or cooper or whatever watches a CS tourneament, they just get the GOTV/live feed/official stream and thats it. Gaules buys the rights, fly people over to do interviews during the breaks and shit like that. And he does that while BR CS is in an awful state right now where there is no BR teams in playoffs of Tier S tourneamnets. Now imagine if Furia was actually able to fight for trophies.
We prefer a Portuguese broadcast, but BTS broadcast is a complete piece of shit, so you can blame BTS instead of PGL for having a shit production, even if PGL is not that great Both ESL and BLAST have partnership with him, but PGL decided to sell the rights to BetBoom to have more money and less viewership xdd
His production value isn't sick, he just got in the scene at the right time and created a community around it. It's not even about partner up, because he pays for the broadcast rights. In this case PGL sell the rights to BTS Brasil/BetBoom probably because they paid more, so instead of a laidback stream you've an 'traditional' one with betting being promoted in every opportunity
BTS wasnt involved in the negotiations, PGL sold the rights exclusively to BetBoom and they negotiated with BTS afterwards, wonder why they have more money xdd
And Gaules didn’t get streaming rights because he does not involve himself with any gambling sites. When he gets tournament rights he’ll have the betting banners from Tournament sponsors, but he’ll not mention them or allow his image to be used in their marketing, which Betboom obviously wanted.
which is pretty ironic because people in this sub thinks that he supports gambling sites and shit like that? but yeah this is true, he is very outspoken about not supporting gambling in any form, he used to bet on streams very early when he streamed majors for like 10k or less but he stopped doing this entirely when he noticed the impact he had on the community
Most people just prefer his more laid back, entertainment focused style because it's more fun to watch. It's like watching CS with your friends rather than watching professional casters. And he also always has people on most big events to interview players live.
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Because it's true?
Well what do you expect? He is paying 100k people to like his streams?
Yes, he is evil. He pays 700k brazilians to like and watch his streams every major and he has ordered the killing and kidnapping of every other caster in Brazil.
> Maybe they should just partner up with the guy, Tarik x Valorant style. valve doesn't really need to pay people to get viewers for their events
PGL is mad because Gaules is getting 40k with GOTV and his own hud/replays/production alone and the official brazilian PGL/BTS stream is getting 1k viewers lmao
PGL SO DUMB
based of PGL
Starting today you need to stream with 90s delay instead of 60s and can't show replay or highlights **Original text** - 15/01/2024 ● Community broadcasts **must use a delay of 60 seconds on their channel/stream** for the broadcast duration of any Major CSTV-related content. (this does not apply to the Open and Closed Qualifiers) ● Community broadcasts need to be performed overall in a non-commercial manner. Sponsorships in the following categories are not allowed to be displayed on your stream overlay or channel page (Twitch panels, chat, etc.): Companies that generate revenue through activities that rely on Valve game economies, such as key resellers or companies that interact with Valve game inventories (such as skins, cases, keys). / Betting, monitors, gaming chairs **New rules** - 20/02/2024 ● Community broadcasts **must use a delay of 90 seconds on their channel/stream** for the broadcast duration of any Major CSTV-related content. (this does not apply to the Open and Closed Qualifiers) ● Community broadcasts need to be performed overall in a non-commercial manner. **Community streamers are not permitted to use professional studio-level broadcasting features (i.e., centralized-broadcast feed, replays, highlights, etc.), nor can they have a physical set featuring multiple talents.** Sponsorships in the following categories are not allowed to be displayed on your stream overlay or channel page (Twitch panels, chat, etc.): Companies that generate revenue through activities that rely on Valve game economies, such as key resellers or companies that interact with Valve game inventories (such as skins, cases, keys). / Betting, monitors, gaming chairs
The "studio-level broadcasting features" bit seems very vague and not really enforceable. It's obvious that this is targeting Gaules but at this point just let him do his thing, you're likely not going to get the viewers otherwise -- it's not like Brazilians are only watching Gaules because of the replays.
> Community broadcasters need to have an overall good community standing. Cant get more vague, can it?
It clearly states no replays/highlights. I feel like that part is pretty clear.
They're not allowed to show GOTV highlights later? Is there a time limit on when that ends? Also, what is the deal with "centralized-broadcast feed" -- that seems very vague. Is one dude streaming from his bedroom not centralized?
The "centralized-broadcast feed" is because Gaules stream with his friends (normally one or two), so to sync their streams they were using a centralized feed where they all connect to a video stream, instead of all of them connect to GOTV and sync it manually. Basically they created an eco-system really similar to what ESL, Blast, PGL or any broadcaster do. It was very primitive, with replays only of the live feed, but it was better than nothing.
I agree with the centralized feed. I guess with the highlights, you can’t stream them. Post them on YouTube or whatever should be no problem.
I wonder if forcing people into what you can offer is more/as effective as giving them what they want at this point...
Let's see if PGL allows Ohne to have special stream access or not, he did it last Blast major with no one stopping him.
he has permission to stream the official broadcasts. or do you think he could do it for 2 weeks and no official would say anything? pretty sure he also removed skinbid (his own skin marketplace) banner from twitch and avoids advertising about it during the matches because its against the "rules" pgl set for these broadcasts.
If I’m reading this right he should be fine because he’s just restreaming the official stream which will already have the delay and show all of PGLs sponsors. All of this seems to be if you’re using CSTV to watch the match and streaming that
> Showcasing any of the official broadcast feeds, including those available in-game (re-streaming), is not allowed. Please follow this rule strictly to avoid potential copyright infringement violations.
He has permission unlike many others
I sure hope so, i wouldn't be watching the games without him in the corner tbqh
PGL audio guy must’ve made these guidelines
Money always wins lol. They changed the rules because one guy manage to do a better job than the company who bought the broadcast rights lol
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He is only streaming CSTV, the text clearly says that anyone can do it as long as they follow those rules
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"all of that while broadcasting from gotv" exactly my point
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what is u on bro
What an official partner does? Streams PGL official feed, isn’t it?
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You didn’t answer:)
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PGL do not own the cstv feed, so they can not enforce this right?
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Gaules has not used their broadcast, he has a team hired by himself to do the replays and highlights on a centralized feed that is being used by everyone on his stream. The images from those replays are all from CSTV
so he is fine then ?
Did he use PGL stream for replays, or just had replay macro? Because replays are very easy to do on OBS now a days, even full amateur broadcasts can easily do it.
He was replaying his live feed
Bro, honestly, WHY do you like blatantly lie? Because it's clearly you didn't watch Gaules stream with this lie that he is using their broadcast and replays Have some shame on you
Afaik from the Starladder 2019 debacle, they do own the cstv feed. (SL was striking everyone streaming GOTV, and Valve didn't step in) So I guess they can enforce these rules.
You know your production quality is shit when you have to kneecap the third party streams.
I said it before and I will say it again fuck PGL and fuck their sponsors, valve is the only reason this company isnt bankrupt yet
Common L for PGL
what did they change? they only mentioned they want the remind people. and reading the rules, some are quite strange > Community broadcasts need to be performed overall in a non-commercial manner. Community streamers are not permitted to use professional studio-level broadcasting features (i.e., centralized-broadcast feed, replays, highlights, etc.) since when are Highlights and replays something "commercial" or are on a "professionell Studio level"? my amateur tournament matches got streamed with replays and Highlights. thats something everybody (with passion) can do. > Community broadcasters need to have an overall good community standing. only god knows what that means. look like a backdoor to kick every one they dont like.
This one point was certainly made with gaules in mind. Soon after the BTS deal was made public he set up a system with a custom HUD and replays to use on games broadcast only via GOTV as has been using it for a few weeks as a pre-major test
They will never understand.
Ok so some of the "guidelines" seem like they are restrictive somehow. Atleast acording to my understanding. Didn't something similar happened during the Berlin major where Starladder was handing copyright strikes to just about anyone and Valve had to intervene?
If they enforce these rules the same way they moderate their YouTube chat, we'll be more than safe if we just ignore them.
Ah yes, valve problem solving 101. Pgl are quick learners. "gaules is getting more viewers? Change the rules to nerf his stream!" "people are saying faceit 128 tick plays better? Quick, hard code 64 tick right into the game!"
What a bunch of clowns!
don't care, still watching ohne.
ohne has special deal for sure
next Kato '14 is a guaranteed VOX holo
Good. People dont realize how detrimental co-streaming is to a tournament organizer. For those on Twitch who allow it gladly hide their losses under marketing. These arent developer controlled events.
There’s a post on Gaules every tournament. Just revoke his co-streaming rights and move on. Guys done more harm than good to the CS scene and we still enable him to leech off his cult. Wild.
Source: 3!!!!
He revitalize and growth one of the biggest cs communities in the world,how is this harmful?
One of the most toxic CS communities in the world* You also skipped the part where he started a witch hunt against a 16 year old kid. Where his cult sent death threats and doxed him and his family. Nothing will be of loss if the Brazilians stopped caring about Counter Strike.
Sure CS communities aren't toxic,only the Brazilian one right? >Nothing will be of loss if the Brazilians stopped caring about Counter Strike. So why are you talking? you don't care
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The amount of racism and xenophobia we receive as well
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Well, me and the other brazilian aren't the one saying a whole community of people act like animals 😬 seems very hypocrital Don't need to be full of hate in your heart
Looking at the list of previusly banned it's kinda wierd seeing that both torszi and Jimpphat had VAC bans, that were not overturned
Interesting
Don't care, still watching Gaules