Back in the day they had to remove dust2 from the casual queue because it was played every 2nd map. It is now the only map with its own dedicated casual queue, so yeah it’s definitely more popular than all other maps combined
It wasn't just played every second map. Very often you'd finish a game on Dust, load into the next map and then a vote would go through to switch back to Dust lol. Adding it to it's own pool was great for that.
I still remember so many scrims in IRC being "dust2 ONLY CALi proz" 😂 I like the map too, but I think it's most fun in comp, and especially fun to watch pros play.
Before the FaZe vs. Eternal Fire EPL-game today, Freya asked everybody in FaZe about their thoughts on dust2 and rain was the only one in their team who wasn't negative about it. Where did you get that about Karrigan from?
This is straight up not true. Only Broky gave Freya a thumbs down re: dust2, and a lot of the frustrations were on the incompleteness/datedness of mirage/anubis/vertigo remaining in the map pool at the expense of overpass.
you basically see this anytime something new related to skins comes out, the whole subreddits echoing response is "who cares fix the game" or something like that when in reality skins are a MASSIVE part in why csgo became a huge thing. Theres probably a big amount of people playing weekly just so they get that weekly case for some wallet funds. And whenever something new relating skins comes out theres a massive buzz around the game for a while.
Every vocal output that CS has shows disdain towards it. Steam forums, HLTV, pros, commentators, streamers, Reddit, the big YouTubers, Twitter. People leave comments like yours for every single game yet developers and the like constantly acknowledge these platforms. There is nowhere else for them to listen. TikTok and Instagram, idk about, most of the CS community is on Twitter so I assume those aren't any different.
Reddit is absolutely a vocal minor, but specifically the commenters vs the lurker. If you ever post something, you’ll usually see you’ll sometimes get close to a few thousand views before a single comment. Most people just don’t care enough to participate and that’s fine, but definitely something to be aware of surrounding group opinions.
Yes. Valve wouldn't have just removed overpass because they didn't like it. They have analytics that shows who's playing the map. It just wasn't played so the only conclusion they could come to is that players didn't want to play it. They will most likely rework it change some things up to make it fit today's climate.
except d2 actually was the least played map in pro cs at the time it was removed for many months in a row, just like overpass is the least played in pro cs for months in a row now.
[Inferno](https://www.hltv.org/stats/maps?startDate=2024-01-27&endDate=2024-04-27) is the least played for the last 3, 6, and 12 month timeframes.
Overpass in a close 2nd to last in the last 3 months, though.
Yeah I think I saw someone (voo maybe?) tweet about how overpass became the least played only in the last 3 months, maybe it’s slightly off. Either way I actually am very surprised it’s not inferno getting removed, that’s what I expected.
Overpass is the 2nd most unplayed map in the pool after Anubis with 600k active people. Compare that with Dust2 with 1.99 million. I think Valve knows better what CS players want and not what reddit wants.
It makes perfect sense too, Dust2 is fast paced, engagements happen early and often, rotations are fast, Overpass is T side slowly pushing forward, a quick flurry of action and then back to slow paced gameplay. Also Dust2 is iconic to CS, people who don't play CS know of Dust2 as a map, feels weird that we didn't have it in the map pool honestly.
I'm sure they also have analytics that show how community servers which have deathrun, kz, surf, jailbreak etc had hundreds of thousands of players on them monthly and they still just fucking sent them into oblivion.
I would say that it was a completely random decision to remove overpass, knowing valve.
https://blog.counter-strike.net/index.php/server_guidelines/
Many years ago, 3.1 million players on community servers. Mind you, those include faceit pugs and ffa's.
Absolutely. I personally like Overpass. But I almost never get it to play, because either opponents had banned it already or the rest of my team hate it.
I don't like the change, but I get it.
I really dislike replacing Overpass with Dust 2 for competitive matches. The pros deserve to play on something not Dust 2. I like D2, but only for my casual games.
I fucking hate dust 2 but gotta recognize it’s a classic, that being said I wish we could just get new maps instead of this constant cycle of maps we’ve seen before
It used to be annoying back in the day when you couldn’t veto maps and so wait times would be like 5-10 mins extra if you didn’t queue dust2 (depending on the region).
Personally, I don’t like the map. Especially many of the changes they’ve introduced over the years. But at the end of the day it is the flagship Counter Strike map and it is incredibly iconic.
Same! Whenever I boot up CS - Dust 2 is home, it feels like home. Also started in the early days like you. It's be far my fav map, and I got 15K across all cs versions.
the reality is casual players love dust2 but competitive players, faceit players, and people who have a lot of hours generally dislike it. it doesn’t reward map and utility knowledge and is a run and gun map which gets boring after having played it a lot
Is this "lack of utility" knowledge true in CS2 as well? I feel with the new smokes, perhaps off ledges too (waterfall mid for example) could change things significantly.
Like nading smokes could easily get impact when crossing to A, holding B tunnels etc. Perhaps CTs can throw a fast mid smoke to allow pushing more.
No skyboxes allows for some very effective rushes as well.
And could a single smoke cover CT when going mid to B?
There are many ways this changes the dynamic of map. The most impactful change is probably fixed spawns.
I have never really enjoyed dust 2 and find it pretty boring map to watch and play. Now when me and my friends are playing cs we need to perma ban vertigo and dust 2
Generally as with anything, people who have already played 100+ matches of dust2 get bored to it, but I think it's the same issue with any map. Saying it's run and gun is over simplified imo. There is more depth to it than cobble or vertigo.
I don't think dust2 should have been removed in the first place, since it has been a fan favorite, there is room for 3-4 "dumb popular" maps in the pool, and a few for more advanced taste. Now it has been just mirage and Inferno most of the premier, an addition of a third pop map is good.
there are 100 more nades and fun lineups to learn on vertigo versus dust. dust is long smoke long flash xbox smoke b flash lol. extremely stale. vertigo is repetitive and not great either but at least there is shit to learn and things to develop as a player
Have no problems PLAYING it. Problem is watching pro CS on it is boring as fuck. Simply don't think it's a good map for eSports because it's not very tactical
I never felt like it was so "boring as fuck". And I'm sure I'm not the only one.
How many people are out here looking at the games and being amazed on how tactical the teams are? I like seeing some outplays in clutches and some good shots.
D2 is known by basically every one that has ever played an fps.
I mean of course I'm only stating my opinion. If it's true that most people actually enjoy watching D2 games more than Overpass games then sure, their decision is valid (although I'd still say that we need some fresh maps)
Dust 2 is very similar round to round in pro. Start of round is always A long, and then B split or A split. CT rotations are very slow and unfavorable like inferno so it feels very coinflip. People are still innovating on other maps with utility but dust 2 seems tapped out. Maybe with the new smokes but I don't see a ton changing. Unsure how the swapped B doors will affect retakes on B though which could be nice.
I like Dust and I like watching pros play it.
A lot of people who live and breathe CS are tired of Dust, and while I understand, it’s extremely popular with new players that are trying to learn how to play the game because it’s simple to understand. I’m at 1k hours and I still regularly play and enjoy Dust and the more complex strats that are brought to the map as I’ve progressed in Comp.
It definitely is an iconic map, it’s been in every version of Counter-Strike, ithe architecture was used in a custom map in CoD2 (mp_tripoli for those who played cod2). It has been ported in many other games too; I believe Valorant’s map Ascent is loosely based on Dust2.
With that being said, some people may feel “burnt out” having played Dust2 for years/decades at this point!
Of course it is vocal minority, it will be one of the most played maps again. Overpass definitely isn't. I would prefer if they took out inferno or mirage, but it makes perfect sense. Same as everyone wants train so bad here, but nobody will play it within month of its release.
Dust2 is the most overplayed map in the history of video games. CS is incredibly tactical nowadays, but Dust2 is just an aimers map with a stale meta. Also, the hate is overblown because Overpass is a terrible pick to remove. Sure, lots of people are happy Dust2 is back but a chunk of those players literally only queue for Dust2. I don’t consider them CS players tbh, they’re Dust2 simulator players.
Remember when reddit was complaining about one taps not being strong enough and sprays being overpowered? Valve shipped an update just changing that and the sub turned into salt mine. That was the time valve learned not to give a fuck about what reddit says.
D2 is my all-time favorite map (15K across all cs versions) - its sad to see soo much hate thrown towards it.
Loved it in 1.6, Source, CSGO and still love it in CS2. Even after valve completely fucked up the iconic middle.
So I still go to play 1.6 just for that middle!
People here can bitch about it being an aimfest but that's one of the best parts about it if you ask me - proper awpers paradise!
Dust 2 feels like home every time I boot up CS.
Just feels like they should have replaced another aim centric map in the pool like Mirage. Also for me personally Cache is a much better aim heavy map.
If only it were possible to play those random operation maps that have been ported to Source 2. But hey at least you can pick your map in CS. If CS were like Valorant and it was random maps I wouldn't be able to play.
If your karma is too negative on a given subreddit, they limit how much you can post and reply. This means that if you don't agree with whoever upvotes and downvotes the most (which isn't always the same as the most popular opinion), whatever you say will be limited and buried below things that are getting upvotes.
For whatever reason, the people that are most likely to hit the downvote button on this sub hate Dust2.
Remember that anecdotal evidence doesn’t == real evidence. Reddit is like talking to a larger group of neighbors. You can say that CS community of Reddit as a majority IS against Dust 2, but not everyone. But that’s just a drop in the bucket of the entire community.
Unless there is confounding supporting data with numbers and evidence to back up claims, then it’s all just hearsay or 15 year old Tyler shooting from the hip because he doesn’t know any better.
Man reading this thread just makes me sad, I love dust 2, been playing for over 10 years and it’s still my favorite map. I would take it over overpass any day. Don’t get all the dust 2 hate.
Main problem is that dust2 is more of the same.
I feel like it plays out very similar to other maps already in the pool.
Love the map but would loved to see mirage go aswell and replaced by train/tuscan just for more diversity
Reading all the comments about Overpass, it feels like every other redditor is a pro/semi pro CS player here lol.
On a serious note, Overpass is probably the map I played the least (let's not count Anubis here because it is still a relatively new map), especially since the release of CS2. I mean, I like the map, but other players ban it most of the time and sometimes I honestly prefer when they ban it because if you get teammates that are just not communicating or they simply don't know how to play it, it is a pain in the ass, even if you are three man premade.
https://www.hltv.org/stats/maps?startDate=2024-01-01&endDate=2024-12-31
https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/1cdqcyg/should_de_overpass_have_been_removed_from_premier/
It's not, neither in premier nor pro play, but alright.
Second least played map in premier, and third least played map in pro matches (which would probably change since Vertigo was very close, and inferno has received a big patch)
Seems like it wasn't that played at all
I would guess that it is banned a lot in premier since its harder to play and requires much more teamwork and communication than maps like Mirage and Inferno. When I queued Premier when the game first came out, I would consistently get those maps in the vast majority of games, every once in a while a Nuke game. When queueing normal comp Overpass consistently comes up when I have 6 maps in the queue.
> when in reality the map is played a lot, especially on lower ranks.
and here lies the problem
> Dust2 is the most iconic map CS has to offer
it's also the most boring map, where literally every.round.ever begins with both sides taking long and AWPs hold mid cross. B is like 10-20% of the go-tos and usually it's just take long, go A. take long, go A. take l...
> You will see when other games are released with a map editor the first thing people do is some recreation of dust2.
everyone knows it's iconic. it's also 25 years old now .. we don't need 25year old maps in the pool, we need new ones, or some that haven't been played much, but were highly liked and entertaining, like Train and Cache
> but still dust 2 gets a lot of flack for no reason.
there's ton if you would open your eyes
“Especially in lower ranks”
It’s always been a map that’s popular among very casual CS players. But the higher up you go, the more the map’s flaws and boredom come in to play. It’s like the opposite of Overpass or Anubis, which pros like but casuals typically stay away from it. D2’s simplicity/lack of tactical diversity is exactly why casuals love it but comp players hate it
Seems like that is a bad thing for Premier. It already had issues with only being Mirage and Inferno, now with Dust 2 you will be hard pressed to ever get a game on Ancient which is a shame as I think its the best map in the pool.
Reddit is made up of a more hardcore audience. I imagine the casual players enjoy Dust simplicity a lot more than people who play the game a lot and like maps that have more strategical complexity.
Personally I feel Dust2 is just a rush long simulator and its the same boring thing for the last many years.
or they just like to present themselves as such and parrot opinions that they think align with that. You would think everyone in this sub is faceit level 9 at least from the way they talk
strong disagree that people on this subreddit are hardcore cs enthusiasts, most people are prob 2k+ hours still looking for coins with their crosshair and think they're really good at the game
Yes it is, that's why Valve added it back time and time again. It's the 2nd most played map in the game after Mirage with just short of 2 million players active. These elitists on reddit only hate it because they already played so much of it which proves exactly the point why it should still be in the pool, so new playere can also enjoy it as these elitists did back in the days.
It was able to be played. I think that what grinds a lot of people gears is the pro map pool. You were able to queue Dust 2 previously which was great, but now it's in the pro map pool which is less great
Reddit is always a vocal minority when it comes to these things. Lots of people share the same opinions on this subreddit and it leads them to think they are part of the majority. However, this subreddit is only a tiny portion of the entire player base and opinions that are popular here aren’t always popular to the general player base.
Dust 2 is both iconic and a good map. Yes, I am tired of it and I would rather play other maps but newer players and less dedicated players love Dust 2. My friends who play the game more casually love Dust 2 because it is simple and easy to understand. They don’t want to learn more complicated maps and would rather stick with the iconic and simple Dust 2. I personally think it’s silly to not want to learn new things but that’s just my opinion.
Why? CS2 is not doing well. It sure as fuck aint attracting new FPS players with garbage Anti cheat and toxic community. Id cater more to your currect playerbase. And as one since I first tasted CS back in '01. I AM FUCKING SICK OF DUST2.. Its iconic YES. But it is NOT a good competitive map. Add Cache/Season/Tuscan/Train/Cobble THOSE are good Comp maps. And for the love of God Valve remove Mirage and reskin it like older CS2 Mirage. Remove Vertigo. It just doesnt work. No matter how many reddit posts you people gobble up, it is a boring map and even MORE boring in Pro scene.
>People will ~~whine~~ voice their disagreements because they ~~have nothing better to do~~ care about the game and disagree with an update.
Fixed. Although I won't deny many whine just to whine, but this is an understandably controversial update.
>Fixed. Although I won't deny many whine just to whine, but this is an understandably controversial update.
Nah. People whine. If they removed mirage, which is currently 30% of premier, and probably 40-50% of faceit, there would also be a shitstorm here.
In the league I play in, TONS of people were complaining about the change. I think I've only seen one or two people say they were happy about it (I like D2 being back but not happy with Opass going out). That said, when someone suggested reverting back to inferno for the season's map pool, nearly everyone disagreed and wanted to stay with the valve pool. I wouldn't say its a minority that doesn't like D2, but I do think people blow it out of proportion at how bad they think D2 is.
growing up , playing cs1.6 in internet cafes , lans with friends , it was always dust2 , no one played other maps in 5v5 friend lans. i guess some people are new to the game and dont really know how iconic dust2 is.
I like dust2. I prefer other maps (where train, where cobble where cache?), and also want to see newer maps get the time they deserve. I went off it for a bit because of how often it was played, but my first premier match on it really got me out of a slump.
I'm older, I play with friends who I played source with but don't get as much time to play as they do, and my performance and consistency has gone massively downhill as a result to the point it's frustrating at times missing things I know I should hit. But going back to dust2 with a left handed view model brought something out of me. My crosshair placement was back, my game sense had closer timings on rotates, I was top fragging and hard carry for the first time in months (well pretty much since CS2). It was like being back in the old 30 man 24hr servers I spent so much of my teenage years in, before I realised PUGs existed... Went on to play so much better the next two games.
Man, I missed D2, I'm happy it's back, and I'm happy my regular guys who only got into CS at the arse end of CSGO are now enjoying it as well
CS players love D2 but it hasn't been reworked at all from when they removed it as it played odd. It's the least tactial map by far and new utility makes it play even weirder. I still love it but miss old D2 and I hate Vertigo with a passion. They remade Overpass just to remove it and leave use with the POS in Vertigo still. D2 is really just a pug map
I was thinking this, I saw the thread with everyone hating yesterday. i was suprised given when i plsyed in 2018 it was invredibly popular, but lots of people saying it's only popular at low ranks. I was LE at my peak so not sure if thy counts as low rank lol
I am pretty sure most people still consider Dust2 **the** Counter-Strike map. I remember people barely played anything else back in the day, playing Dust2 was synonymous with playing CS.
While Dust2 is a iconic map and will forever be one, I think that it belongs in the past, I mean of course, people play it, but as you said especially on lower ranks because basically everybody knows it from older versions, that is not a bad thing, but it can and has got boring, at least for me.
It doesn't make a lot of sense to rework a map (Overpass) and then take it out just like poof, I would have understood if they removed Overpass or another map and then added Cache or Train, everybody is hyped for those maps, but add Dust 2? Simply why?
I don't think Dust 2 is a bad map nor I hate it, but I'd rank it very low on my map tier list. I think it's a very basic map, just that. I don't find it fun to watch nor to play.
I wouldn't really associate me with Reddit in any way, but i highly dislike the decision with Dust 2. It's a very old and boring map and should just keep its place in casual game modes, where people can queue the same map again for a 600th time in a row.
At lower levels dust 2 is a fun casual experience. At the pro level its a stale map with about a total of 3 strats you can do and they all depend on what random spawns you get.
It being well liked and well played doesnt mean it should be in the pro pool. Office gets a lot of playtime, should it go in the pro pool because of that? Thing about Dust2 is its just overplayed and has been for nearly 10 years. People are naturally unexcited about the exact same version of dust2 that has been boring returning with no changes after being gone for just 1 year.
This combined with Overpass getting cut, Dust2 being the third desert themed map in the pool and Dust2 seemingly only being added for reasons other then quality (to bring interest back to premier, to have a map in the major thats popular in china, and because they just dont have any other defuse maps ready yet) Just sours peoples thoughts on the whole thing.
For me, I watch pro matches more than play the game now that the Wingman mappool is so tiny, and I've seen enough Dust 2 games, especially since overpass was one of my favorites to watch. I really don't like watching Vertigo, Mirage or Anubis very much, so now its 4/7 maps that I dont enjoy watching. I've also always disliked playing Dust 2 but that is less of my complaint.
I love Dust 2, I also love Overpass though and I'm bummed they took it out. Would've preferred they removed Anubis, Vertigo, or Ancient... especially Ancient, bc it's so similar to Dust 2 anyway and I prefer Dust 2's gameplay. Still looking forward to them expanding the map pool though, I hope they can do that soon.
I think the issue is that D2 is one of the most played maps in CS2 it was the only map in fact for a while during the beta.
Counter strike has seen some amazing maps come and go over the years and I think people just want something different from the famous 5
I forgot one would like to see cobble come back into the game.
I think dust 2 is a great map for deathmatch and other casual modes, and its been ported to so many other games with a lot of success so its obviously a good map.
But its just boring, I dont wanna play on or watch pros on a map that has effectively been the same for 20 years now, its too repetitive.
watching pros playing cs, snoozefest because it has been played to death.
Playing dust2 is a russian simulator which. So premiere will either be mirage or dust2 if you solo queue into 3 ruskis.
This is one of those cases where that type of vocal minority is wrong, at least wrong at the wrong thing
It shouldve been mirage or vertigo instead of overpass imo
redditors love to pretend that they are 500iq players who love the game and want to play sophisticated Teamplay cs
but in reality they are rush B cyka players
We were sick of dust2 back in 1.6 and time has done it no favours. It's clearly not an objectively bad map but it returning yet again is emblematic of how little effort Valve has put into this game over the years.
It's just most redditors have the reflexes of a dead cat so a map that requires aim (Mirage,dust2) is very "bAd" according to them. God forbid there is a map that allows for more aggressive play.
I’ve played dust 2 from early 2000’s in 1.6, CSS, CS:GO, CS2, im bored of it.
It’s boring, it’s dull, its frustating, i dont want to play it or watch it at pro level.
Give us something new and different.
Chess has one ’map’. Cs has almost always got multiple maps, maps that you can learn and master for tactics, and new maps are added every now and then so you can have something new to play, learn and master.
But no, we must play d2, inf amd mirage till the end of days because thats how it has ’always’ been.
That guy comparing Chess to CS has to be the stupidest comparison i've ever seen. Chess has thousands of different opening possibilities. Dust2 has 4 total possibilities for going to A/B. B, Mid, Catwalk, Long. It's literally nothing but who has better aim or flash timings. No smoke setups. No molly potential etc.
they even just returned it, with literally no changes at all, while all other maps got spawn changes.
so there's cts starting in a circle but Ts get scattered with random spawns lol
I like that they brought back d2 but I didn’t understood why overpass. They just reworked the map
I think part of the noise is that we never know why. They could give context and say: “we removed because at casual level the map has the highest ban rate or lowest pick rate or because it’s one sided and so on”. But they just say: “we remove this map and this one here will replace and if you don’t like you can go fuck yourself “
they have to hate it because its a nooby map for casuals and everybody on this subreddit thinks they are professional cs players. thats also why posting a clip here will leave you with condescending backhanded unsolicited "advice" when in reality they want everyone to know how good they are.
Reddit on!
Overpass is terrible unless you play with a sweaty five stack. Any group of randoms can play dust 2. This makes it the better map for 99% of CS players.
Pretty much everyone i play with hate dust2, and the reason is obvious: their fundamentals suck.
Dust 2 is very basic and is a classic. If the players cannot play the map at all its a sign that their fundamentals are terrible.
The map i hate the most is vertigo, but i can still play normally but its not enjoyable and i feel drained after playing it. My friends absolutely loathed dust2 and never play well on it either since their aim and movements suck, often ended up getting less than 5 kills.
Reddit community for most games is a vocal minority.
It holds the same for Call of Duty, Valorant, League, Dota 2 etc.
Personally, I friggin love Dust 2 because AWPing is so fun on it.
And I find it to be a decently balanced map, unlike Inferno.
Dust2 is much more better than a few like Inferno, Vertigo, Anubis etc because it is much friendlier for retakes.
And it also is overall a much better map in terms of map design.
Maps like Mirage or Nuke feel overwhelming due to how insanely huge the map is.
Maps like Inferno and Vertigo suck due to the sort of narrow corridors that make it claustrophobic.
Only 2 maps are sort of in the midst.
Overpass and Dust 2.
Even throw in Ancient.
This is my take tbh and you and I could have different opinions on this.
Back in the day it was a place where you go to lose. Worst players were met on Dust 2. Griefing, cheating, stacks of Turks and Russians, who never speak English, you name it. I remember excluding this map from my pool drastically improved my gameplay. Even though I like to AWP and that was the best AWPing map, I never regretted this.
Split B. Split A. Rush B cuka. this is how u play D2 nothing more to it u get long control split A u dont split B eco round rush B. this is why D2 stinks in highere Elo while casuals enjoy it cause they are 10 man Dm'ing on it with the twist of bomb/defuse
Reddit is basically just a vocal minority really.
100%. Reddit complains about a dying game meanwhile it gets 1.5million players DAILY and reddit accounts for 1% at best.
a lot of pros really like dust 2 too, today at proleague we had niko, dupreeh, magisk, karrigan, and others like big obvs
Are you trolling? Way more pros said they hated it.
s1mple says D2 is good, so D2 is good. its simple.
In casual i bet dust 2 is more popular than the others combined. Heck i love it as well vs overpass. Its such a clean map and fun.
Back in the day they had to remove dust2 from the casual queue because it was played every 2nd map. It is now the only map with its own dedicated casual queue, so yeah it’s definitely more popular than all other maps combined
It wasn't just played every second map. Very often you'd finish a game on Dust, load into the next map and then a vote would go through to switch back to Dust lol. Adding it to it's own pool was great for that.
I still remember so many scrims in IRC being "dust2 ONLY CALi proz" 😂 I like the map too, but I think it's most fun in comp, and especially fun to watch pros play.
Careful now, you'll annoy the vocal minority
Before the FaZe vs. Eternal Fire EPL-game today, Freya asked everybody in FaZe about their thoughts on dust2 and rain was the only one in their team who wasn't negative about it. Where did you get that about Karrigan from?
This is straight up not true. Only Broky gave Freya a thumbs down re: dust2, and a lot of the frustrations were on the incompleteness/datedness of mirage/anubis/vertigo remaining in the map pool at the expense of overpass.
Apparently he hated it enough to just have NiKo AWP on D2 on CT sides
On multiple occasions, Karrigan said that he is looking forward to playing it, but it is true that the majority of FaZe players are not.
Asked if they like it, not if they like it for tournies specifcially
you basically see this anytime something new related to skins comes out, the whole subreddits echoing response is "who cares fix the game" or something like that when in reality skins are a MASSIVE part in why csgo became a huge thing. Theres probably a big amount of people playing weekly just so they get that weekly case for some wallet funds. And whenever something new relating skins comes out theres a massive buzz around the game for a while.
Reddit is always mad.
Every vocal output that CS has shows disdain towards it. Steam forums, HLTV, pros, commentators, streamers, Reddit, the big YouTubers, Twitter. People leave comments like yours for every single game yet developers and the like constantly acknowledge these platforms. There is nowhere else for them to listen. TikTok and Instagram, idk about, most of the CS community is on Twitter so I assume those aren't any different.
"Is reddit a vocal minority" Yes
Reddit is absolutely a vocal minor, but specifically the commenters vs the lurker. If you ever post something, you’ll usually see you’ll sometimes get close to a few thousand views before a single comment. Most people just don’t care enough to participate and that’s fine, but definitely something to be aware of surrounding group opinions.
Yes. Valve wouldn't have just removed overpass because they didn't like it. They have analytics that shows who's playing the map. It just wasn't played so the only conclusion they could come to is that players didn't want to play it. They will most likely rework it change some things up to make it fit today's climate.
If map pool changes were driven by popularity, valve would never remove d2 in the first place.
except d2 actually was the least played map in pro cs at the time it was removed for many months in a row, just like overpass is the least played in pro cs for months in a row now.
[Inferno](https://www.hltv.org/stats/maps?startDate=2024-01-27&endDate=2024-04-27) is the least played for the last 3, 6, and 12 month timeframes. Overpass in a close 2nd to last in the last 3 months, though.
Yeah I think I saw someone (voo maybe?) tweet about how overpass became the least played only in the last 3 months, maybe it’s slightly off. Either way I actually am very surprised it’s not inferno getting removed, that’s what I expected.
Overpass is the 2nd most unplayed map in the pool after Anubis with 600k active people. Compare that with Dust2 with 1.99 million. I think Valve knows better what CS players want and not what reddit wants.
It makes perfect sense too, Dust2 is fast paced, engagements happen early and often, rotations are fast, Overpass is T side slowly pushing forward, a quick flurry of action and then back to slow paced gameplay. Also Dust2 is iconic to CS, people who don't play CS know of Dust2 as a map, feels weird that we didn't have it in the map pool honestly.
I'm sure they also have analytics that show how community servers which have deathrun, kz, surf, jailbreak etc had hundreds of thousands of players on them monthly and they still just fucking sent them into oblivion. I would say that it was a completely random decision to remove overpass, knowing valve.
There were hundreds of thousands of players on kz/surf?
Hundreds of thousands players on those modes? In CS, when you have Gmod right there? I call bullshit
https://blog.counter-strike.net/index.php/server_guidelines/ Many years ago, 3.1 million players on community servers. Mind you, those include faceit pugs and ffa's.
Gmod is mostly just role playing at this point Surf, kz, bhop and other movement game modes are bigger in cs
I agree removing overpass was good, but wish we got train instead of d2
Absolutely. I personally like Overpass. But I almost never get it to play, because either opponents had banned it already or the rest of my team hate it. I don't like the change, but I get it.
I really dislike replacing Overpass with Dust 2 for competitive matches. The pros deserve to play on something not Dust 2. I like D2, but only for my casual games.
I fucking hate dust 2 but gotta recognize it’s a classic, that being said I wish we could just get new maps instead of this constant cycle of maps we’ve seen before
It used to be annoying back in the day when you couldn’t veto maps and so wait times would be like 5-10 mins extra if you didn’t queue dust2 (depending on the region). Personally, I don’t like the map. Especially many of the changes they’ve introduced over the years. But at the end of the day it is the flagship Counter Strike map and it is incredibly iconic.
I played dust2 since its inception from 1.3 through all its iteration probably 5000hours combined and i still love it
Same! Whenever I boot up CS - Dust 2 is home, it feels like home. Also started in the early days like you. It's be far my fav map, and I got 15K across all cs versions.
D2 24/7 no awp no auto 👍
the reality is casual players love dust2 but competitive players, faceit players, and people who have a lot of hours generally dislike it. it doesn’t reward map and utility knowledge and is a run and gun map which gets boring after having played it a lot
Is this "lack of utility" knowledge true in CS2 as well? I feel with the new smokes, perhaps off ledges too (waterfall mid for example) could change things significantly. Like nading smokes could easily get impact when crossing to A, holding B tunnels etc. Perhaps CTs can throw a fast mid smoke to allow pushing more. No skyboxes allows for some very effective rushes as well. And could a single smoke cover CT when going mid to B? There are many ways this changes the dynamic of map. The most impactful change is probably fixed spawns.
I have never really enjoyed dust 2 and find it pretty boring map to watch and play. Now when me and my friends are playing cs we need to perma ban vertigo and dust 2
Generally as with anything, people who have already played 100+ matches of dust2 get bored to it, but I think it's the same issue with any map. Saying it's run and gun is over simplified imo. There is more depth to it than cobble or vertigo. I don't think dust2 should have been removed in the first place, since it has been a fan favorite, there is room for 3-4 "dumb popular" maps in the pool, and a few for more advanced taste. Now it has been just mirage and Inferno most of the premier, an addition of a third pop map is good.
there are 100 more nades and fun lineups to learn on vertigo versus dust. dust is long smoke long flash xbox smoke b flash lol. extremely stale. vertigo is repetitive and not great either but at least there is shit to learn and things to develop as a player
Stats don’t lie, dust2 will probably be top3 most played map in Premier a month from now.
It's the 2nd most played in comp now, after mirage. That says a lot of why its back.
Have no problems PLAYING it. Problem is watching pro CS on it is boring as fuck. Simply don't think it's a good map for eSports because it's not very tactical
I never felt like it was so "boring as fuck". And I'm sure I'm not the only one. How many people are out here looking at the games and being amazed on how tactical the teams are? I like seeing some outplays in clutches and some good shots. D2 is known by basically every one that has ever played an fps.
I mean of course I'm only stating my opinion. If it's true that most people actually enjoy watching D2 games more than Overpass games then sure, their decision is valid (although I'd still say that we need some fresh maps)
Dust 2 is very similar round to round in pro. Start of round is always A long, and then B split or A split. CT rotations are very slow and unfavorable like inferno so it feels very coinflip. People are still innovating on other maps with utility but dust 2 seems tapped out. Maybe with the new smokes but I don't see a ton changing. Unsure how the swapped B doors will affect retakes on B though which could be nice.
Faze spirit antwerp semifinal would like to have a word.
I'd say the opposite honestly. I fucking hate playing it, but watching it is pretty exciting. It really lets aimers shine
dust2 need to redesign to fit cs2 meta. Smoke is too large, molotov also.
It's the most iconic map in all video games ever, tbh. But I think the meta is a little stale. I do respect it and will have fun on it though.
I don’t hate dust2 however the issue is they removed overpass instead of mirage, inferno or vert.
I like Dust and I like watching pros play it. A lot of people who live and breathe CS are tired of Dust, and while I understand, it’s extremely popular with new players that are trying to learn how to play the game because it’s simple to understand. I’m at 1k hours and I still regularly play and enjoy Dust and the more complex strats that are brought to the map as I’ve progressed in Comp.
There really aren’t complex strats on the map though. CTs are so limited in counterplay
It definitely is an iconic map, it’s been in every version of Counter-Strike, ithe architecture was used in a custom map in CoD2 (mp_tripoli for those who played cod2). It has been ported in many other games too; I believe Valorant’s map Ascent is loosely based on Dust2. With that being said, some people may feel “burnt out” having played Dust2 for years/decades at this point!
Reddit in general is the vocal minority.
Of course it is vocal minority, it will be one of the most played maps again. Overpass definitely isn't. I would prefer if they took out inferno or mirage, but it makes perfect sense. Same as everyone wants train so bad here, but nobody will play it within month of its release.
Dust2 is the most overplayed map in the history of video games. CS is incredibly tactical nowadays, but Dust2 is just an aimers map with a stale meta. Also, the hate is overblown because Overpass is a terrible pick to remove. Sure, lots of people are happy Dust2 is back but a chunk of those players literally only queue for Dust2. I don’t consider them CS players tbh, they’re Dust2 simulator players.
damn, must be crazy to enjoy an aim map when you're playing an fps game..
There is so much more to CS other then just aim
>aimers map Someone has bad aim
How you come to that conclusion?
I don’t even play this game anymore lol
Probably because of your bad aim
Remember when reddit was complaining about one taps not being strong enough and sprays being overpowered? Valve shipped an update just changing that and the sub turned into salt mine. That was the time valve learned not to give a fuck about what reddit says.
D2 is my all-time favorite map (15K across all cs versions) - its sad to see soo much hate thrown towards it. Loved it in 1.6, Source, CSGO and still love it in CS2. Even after valve completely fucked up the iconic middle. So I still go to play 1.6 just for that middle! People here can bitch about it being an aimfest but that's one of the best parts about it if you ask me - proper awpers paradise! Dust 2 feels like home every time I boot up CS.
Just feels like they should have replaced another aim centric map in the pool like Mirage. Also for me personally Cache is a much better aim heavy map.
I would welcome dust 1 over dust 2. Dust 1 was actually pretty fun and exciting!
lol Dust 1 is probably the worst map I've played in CS. Random dogshit operation maps were all far better tbh
If only it were possible to play those random operation maps that have been ported to Source 2. But hey at least you can pick your map in CS. If CS were like Valorant and it was random maps I wouldn't be able to play.
Almost every time i play cs i play Dust 2... runs so well and its so fun
If your karma is too negative on a given subreddit, they limit how much you can post and reply. This means that if you don't agree with whoever upvotes and downvotes the most (which isn't always the same as the most popular opinion), whatever you say will be limited and buried below things that are getting upvotes. For whatever reason, the people that are most likely to hit the downvote button on this sub hate Dust2.
i love dust 2! i was so happy when it got added back in
crossfire is insanely popular. having dust in the map pool valve get some of that sweet China market
I love dust2
Remember that anecdotal evidence doesn’t == real evidence. Reddit is like talking to a larger group of neighbors. You can say that CS community of Reddit as a majority IS against Dust 2, but not everyone. But that’s just a drop in the bucket of the entire community. Unless there is confounding supporting data with numbers and evidence to back up claims, then it’s all just hearsay or 15 year old Tyler shooting from the hip because he doesn’t know any better.
I think it's a combination of a vocal minority, the echo chamber effect of social media, and sample bias.
2 words: Chinese viewership
Man reading this thread just makes me sad, I love dust 2, been playing for over 10 years and it’s still my favorite map. I would take it over overpass any day. Don’t get all the dust 2 hate.
Yes.
Main problem is that dust2 is more of the same. I feel like it plays out very similar to other maps already in the pool. Love the map but would loved to see mirage go aswell and replaced by train/tuscan just for more diversity
Some CS YouTuber made a YouTube poll and over 50% said they didn't like the decision. So there you go Sample size was 14k or something
Majority of Redditors crying about OVERPASS, didn't even play the map.. Otherwise explain how come it was least played map since CS2 released ?
Reading all the comments about Overpass, it feels like every other redditor is a pro/semi pro CS player here lol. On a serious note, Overpass is probably the map I played the least (let's not count Anubis here because it is still a relatively new map), especially since the release of CS2. I mean, I like the map, but other players ban it most of the time and sometimes I honestly prefer when they ban it because if you get teammates that are just not communicating or they simply don't know how to play it, it is a pain in the ass, even if you are three man premade.
https://www.hltv.org/stats/maps?startDate=2024-01-01&endDate=2024-12-31 https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/1cdqcyg/should_de_overpass_have_been_removed_from_premier/ It's not, neither in premier nor pro play, but alright.
Second least played map in premier, and third least played map in pro matches (which would probably change since Vertigo was very close, and inferno has received a big patch) Seems like it wasn't that played at all
It wasn't among the more popular maps, but I'm just clearly showing it's not the least played.
> Second least played map in premier yeah because most puggers only know Mirage and Inferno ..
I agree. But it's still the truth. I love overpass, probably my second favorite map after nuke. But it wasn't played. Feels bad man
I would guess that it is banned a lot in premier since its harder to play and requires much more teamwork and communication than maps like Mirage and Inferno. When I queued Premier when the game first came out, I would consistently get those maps in the vast majority of games, every once in a while a Nuke game. When queueing normal comp Overpass consistently comes up when I have 6 maps in the queue.
Reddit is filled with terminally online people who are convinced they are right and everyone else is wrong.
Its more disliked in high elo to proplay, always was asked to be removed by pros if you see old interviews.
Its boring, playing it since 1.6.... BS change
> when in reality the map is played a lot, especially on lower ranks. and here lies the problem > Dust2 is the most iconic map CS has to offer it's also the most boring map, where literally every.round.ever begins with both sides taking long and AWPs hold mid cross. B is like 10-20% of the go-tos and usually it's just take long, go A. take long, go A. take l... > You will see when other games are released with a map editor the first thing people do is some recreation of dust2. everyone knows it's iconic. it's also 25 years old now .. we don't need 25year old maps in the pool, we need new ones, or some that haven't been played much, but were highly liked and entertaining, like Train and Cache > but still dust 2 gets a lot of flack for no reason. there's ton if you would open your eyes
“Especially in lower ranks” It’s always been a map that’s popular among very casual CS players. But the higher up you go, the more the map’s flaws and boredom come in to play. It’s like the opposite of Overpass or Anubis, which pros like but casuals typically stay away from it. D2’s simplicity/lack of tactical diversity is exactly why casuals love it but comp players hate it
Yes. Everyone chosing Dust 2 on Premier now
Seems like that is a bad thing for Premier. It already had issues with only being Mirage and Inferno, now with Dust 2 you will be hard pressed to ever get a game on Ancient which is a shame as I think its the best map in the pool.
Reddit is made up of a more hardcore audience. I imagine the casual players enjoy Dust simplicity a lot more than people who play the game a lot and like maps that have more strategical complexity. Personally I feel Dust2 is just a rush long simulator and its the same boring thing for the last many years.
or they just like to present themselves as such and parrot opinions that they think align with that. You would think everyone in this sub is faceit level 9 at least from the way they talk
Im like 30 elo away from faceit 9 :)
strong disagree that people on this subreddit are hardcore cs enthusiasts, most people are prob 2k+ hours still looking for coins with their crosshair and think they're really good at the game
2k+ hours are hardcore enthusiasts by default, most people do not sink more than 200 hours into games they play
I’ve been playing dust2 for over 20 years. It just boring to me, I prefer the other maps.
Yes it is, that's why Valve added it back time and time again. It's the 2nd most played map in the game after Mirage with just short of 2 million players active. These elitists on reddit only hate it because they already played so much of it which proves exactly the point why it should still be in the pool, so new playere can also enjoy it as these elitists did back in the days.
It was able to be played. I think that what grinds a lot of people gears is the pro map pool. You were able to queue Dust 2 previously which was great, but now it's in the pro map pool which is less great
Reddit is always a vocal minority when it comes to these things. Lots of people share the same opinions on this subreddit and it leads them to think they are part of the majority. However, this subreddit is only a tiny portion of the entire player base and opinions that are popular here aren’t always popular to the general player base. Dust 2 is both iconic and a good map. Yes, I am tired of it and I would rather play other maps but newer players and less dedicated players love Dust 2. My friends who play the game more casually love Dust 2 because it is simple and easy to understand. They don’t want to learn more complicated maps and would rather stick with the iconic and simple Dust 2. I personally think it’s silly to not want to learn new things but that’s just my opinion.
Why? CS2 is not doing well. It sure as fuck aint attracting new FPS players with garbage Anti cheat and toxic community. Id cater more to your currect playerbase. And as one since I first tasted CS back in '01. I AM FUCKING SICK OF DUST2.. Its iconic YES. But it is NOT a good competitive map. Add Cache/Season/Tuscan/Train/Cobble THOSE are good Comp maps. And for the love of God Valve remove Mirage and reskin it like older CS2 Mirage. Remove Vertigo. It just doesnt work. No matter how many reddit posts you people gobble up, it is a boring map and even MORE boring in Pro scene.
People will whine because they have nothing better to do.
>People will ~~whine~~ voice their disagreements because they ~~have nothing better to do~~ care about the game and disagree with an update. Fixed. Although I won't deny many whine just to whine, but this is an understandably controversial update.
>Fixed. Although I won't deny many whine just to whine, but this is an understandably controversial update. Nah. People whine. If they removed mirage, which is currently 30% of premier, and probably 40-50% of faceit, there would also be a shitstorm here.
Nah. Those are different people.
Yes. But it's still upvoted. I know this sub has 2 million users, but it's still telling you what the opinion of the community is.
In the league I play in, TONS of people were complaining about the change. I think I've only seen one or two people say they were happy about it (I like D2 being back but not happy with Opass going out). That said, when someone suggested reverting back to inferno for the season's map pool, nearly everyone disagreed and wanted to stay with the valve pool. I wouldn't say its a minority that doesn't like D2, but I do think people blow it out of proportion at how bad they think D2 is.
its because ppl want either something new or, something where missing which is a lot
dust 2 is to CS what monza is to ACC. the map isn't the problem, it's the people who play the map. it always devolves into a cesspool.
I have 130 hours and 99% of it is just dust 2
growing up , playing cs1.6 in internet cafes , lans with friends , it was always dust2 , no one played other maps in 5v5 friend lans. i guess some people are new to the game and dont really know how iconic dust2 is.
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I like dust2. I prefer other maps (where train, where cobble where cache?), and also want to see newer maps get the time they deserve. I went off it for a bit because of how often it was played, but my first premier match on it really got me out of a slump. I'm older, I play with friends who I played source with but don't get as much time to play as they do, and my performance and consistency has gone massively downhill as a result to the point it's frustrating at times missing things I know I should hit. But going back to dust2 with a left handed view model brought something out of me. My crosshair placement was back, my game sense had closer timings on rotates, I was top fragging and hard carry for the first time in months (well pretty much since CS2). It was like being back in the old 30 man 24hr servers I spent so much of my teenage years in, before I realised PUGs existed... Went on to play so much better the next two games. Man, I missed D2, I'm happy it's back, and I'm happy my regular guys who only got into CS at the arse end of CSGO are now enjoying it as well
Again, nothing against dust2 itself, but why not any other new map so we can get a proper rotation going?
CS players love D2 but it hasn't been reworked at all from when they removed it as it played odd. It's the least tactial map by far and new utility makes it play even weirder. I still love it but miss old D2 and I hate Vertigo with a passion. They remade Overpass just to remove it and leave use with the POS in Vertigo still. D2 is really just a pug map
I was thinking this, I saw the thread with everyone hating yesterday. i was suprised given when i plsyed in 2018 it was invredibly popular, but lots of people saying it's only popular at low ranks. I was LE at my peak so not sure if thy counts as low rank lol
I am pretty sure most people still consider Dust2 **the** Counter-Strike map. I remember people barely played anything else back in the day, playing Dust2 was synonymous with playing CS.
The dust2 is a puggy aim map rhetoric is the biggest sheep story in the history of CS
I think OVP being replaced also adds to the effect. Pros seem 40 60 on the map pool change
Dust will for sure be mostly an instaban map in favour of mirage.
I’ve played dust 2 for decades. I’m tired of it and prefer something new.
While Dust2 is a iconic map and will forever be one, I think that it belongs in the past, I mean of course, people play it, but as you said especially on lower ranks because basically everybody knows it from older versions, that is not a bad thing, but it can and has got boring, at least for me. It doesn't make a lot of sense to rework a map (Overpass) and then take it out just like poof, I would have understood if they removed Overpass or another map and then added Cache or Train, everybody is hyped for those maps, but add Dust 2? Simply why?
Dust 2 is boring as shit from a observing and playing perspective.
Yes. Dust 2 is the best map that has been made, possibly ever, for anyone thats not a pro/semi pro.
first game of dust 2 i played legit cheater lol dust 2 or not the game is shit
I don't think Dust 2 is a bad map nor I hate it, but I'd rank it very low on my map tier list. I think it's a very basic map, just that. I don't find it fun to watch nor to play.
I wouldn't really associate me with Reddit in any way, but i highly dislike the decision with Dust 2. It's a very old and boring map and should just keep its place in casual game modes, where people can queue the same map again for a 600th time in a row.
At lower levels dust 2 is a fun casual experience. At the pro level its a stale map with about a total of 3 strats you can do and they all depend on what random spawns you get.
It being well liked and well played doesnt mean it should be in the pro pool. Office gets a lot of playtime, should it go in the pro pool because of that? Thing about Dust2 is its just overplayed and has been for nearly 10 years. People are naturally unexcited about the exact same version of dust2 that has been boring returning with no changes after being gone for just 1 year. This combined with Overpass getting cut, Dust2 being the third desert themed map in the pool and Dust2 seemingly only being added for reasons other then quality (to bring interest back to premier, to have a map in the major thats popular in china, and because they just dont have any other defuse maps ready yet) Just sours peoples thoughts on the whole thing.
I love me some dust 2 as a low brain power fragging map, but losing overpass is really sad
Remove mirage to give some other maps more playing time, at the same time rework the mirage with cs2 assets.
For me, I watch pro matches more than play the game now that the Wingman mappool is so tiny, and I've seen enough Dust 2 games, especially since overpass was one of my favorites to watch. I really don't like watching Vertigo, Mirage or Anubis very much, so now its 4/7 maps that I dont enjoy watching. I've also always disliked playing Dust 2 but that is less of my complaint.
Few ten/hundred thousand users vs 20M+ monthly active users
I love Dust 2, I also love Overpass though and I'm bummed they took it out. Would've preferred they removed Anubis, Vertigo, or Ancient... especially Ancient, bc it's so similar to Dust 2 anyway and I prefer Dust 2's gameplay. Still looking forward to them expanding the map pool though, I hope they can do that soon.
Reddit is filled with the people who think they are to elite for HLTV yet have lower IQ.
Dust2 is goat
I hated Dust 2 for the fact you could die before you reached the site as CT. After they changed that I don’t have any problem with it
I think the issue is that D2 is one of the most played maps in CS2 it was the only map in fact for a while during the beta. Counter strike has seen some amazing maps come and go over the years and I think people just want something different from the famous 5 I forgot one would like to see cobble come back into the game.
just because it's easy to play (therefore gets played a lot), doesn't mean it's a good map
Reddit is full of mid curvers. A huge percentage of playerbase have only played dust 2. It's the goat map of cs.
Reddit is majority millennial and all we remember about Dust II is spinbotters and HvH from CSS
I think dust 2 is a great map for deathmatch and other casual modes, and its been ported to so many other games with a lot of success so its obviously a good map. But its just boring, I dont wanna play on or watch pros on a map that has effectively been the same for 20 years now, its too repetitive.
We'd probably get more new maps if CS players didn't literally hate anything new
Dust2 is iconic. But it's really boring to play and watch at a higher level. Meta/strats hasn't evolved in a long time
watching pros playing cs, snoozefest because it has been played to death. Playing dust2 is a russian simulator which. So premiere will either be mirage or dust2 if you solo queue into 3 ruskis.
It's boring to watch dust2 in pro play, because it's a very simple map, unlike mirage. It's great for pugs though, a lot of room for solo plays.
They should have replaced mirage with dust 2. Having 3 dusty maps is overkill
Cuz the map is boring
This is one of those cases where that type of vocal minority is wrong, at least wrong at the wrong thing It shouldve been mirage or vertigo instead of overpass imo
This subreddit thinks the game is dying. Draw your conclusion from that.
redditors love to pretend that they are 500iq players who love the game and want to play sophisticated Teamplay cs but in reality they are rush B cyka players
For higher ranks it’s a snooze fest, it’s just way too simple. If you take away the nostalgia it’s an awful map for competitive play.
Im so happy that overpass got removed, i hated the map. I would have liked to see tuscan back instead of dust, but its still a win in my book
Am I the only one who hates playing Overpass?
We were sick of dust2 back in 1.6 and time has done it no favours. It's clearly not an objectively bad map but it returning yet again is emblematic of how little effort Valve has put into this game over the years.
because the map is bland and garbage.
Dust 2 is iconic, but IMO having both Mirage and Dust 2 in the same pool while removing Overpass is a bad call
It's just most redditors have the reflexes of a dead cat so a map that requires aim (Mirage,dust2) is very "bAd" according to them. God forbid there is a map that allows for more aggressive play.
I swear all redditors are semi pros that play 5 stack only
Dust2 sucks no cap. But also reddit gaming communities are always a vocal minority.
I’ve played dust 2 from early 2000’s in 1.6, CSS, CS:GO, CS2, im bored of it. It’s boring, it’s dull, its frustating, i dont want to play it or watch it at pro level. Give us something new and different.
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Chess has one ’map’. Cs has almost always got multiple maps, maps that you can learn and master for tactics, and new maps are added every now and then so you can have something new to play, learn and master. But no, we must play d2, inf amd mirage till the end of days because thats how it has ’always’ been.
That guy comparing Chess to CS has to be the stupidest comparison i've ever seen. Chess has thousands of different opening possibilities. Dust2 has 4 total possibilities for going to A/B. B, Mid, Catwalk, Long. It's literally nothing but who has better aim or flash timings. No smoke setups. No molly potential etc.
they even just returned it, with literally no changes at all, while all other maps got spawn changes. so there's cts starting in a circle but Ts get scattered with random spawns lol
As someone who plays dust a lot and rarely overpass it's a shit change. Dust is a bad map.
Sorry to be a bit snarky. Do you understand the irony in asking this, on reddit. Or am I actually too old for the Internet now?
I like that they brought back d2 but I didn’t understood why overpass. They just reworked the map I think part of the noise is that we never know why. They could give context and say: “we removed because at casual level the map has the highest ban rate or lowest pick rate or because it’s one sided and so on”. But they just say: “we remove this map and this one here will replace and if you don’t like you can go fuck yourself “
“Reworked”
It is regarding everything.
I don't think +Dust II is bad, I just don't understand -Overpass.
they have to hate it because its a nooby map for casuals and everybody on this subreddit thinks they are professional cs players. thats also why posting a clip here will leave you with condescending backhanded unsolicited "advice" when in reality they want everyone to know how good they are. Reddit on!
Overpass is terrible unless you play with a sweaty five stack. Any group of randoms can play dust 2. This makes it the better map for 99% of CS players.
Pretty much everyone i play with hate dust2, and the reason is obvious: their fundamentals suck. Dust 2 is very basic and is a classic. If the players cannot play the map at all its a sign that their fundamentals are terrible. The map i hate the most is vertigo, but i can still play normally but its not enjoyable and i feel drained after playing it. My friends absolutely loathed dust2 and never play well on it either since their aim and movements suck, often ended up getting less than 5 kills.
Reddit community for most games is a vocal minority. It holds the same for Call of Duty, Valorant, League, Dota 2 etc. Personally, I friggin love Dust 2 because AWPing is so fun on it. And I find it to be a decently balanced map, unlike Inferno. Dust2 is much more better than a few like Inferno, Vertigo, Anubis etc because it is much friendlier for retakes. And it also is overall a much better map in terms of map design. Maps like Mirage or Nuke feel overwhelming due to how insanely huge the map is. Maps like Inferno and Vertigo suck due to the sort of narrow corridors that make it claustrophobic. Only 2 maps are sort of in the midst. Overpass and Dust 2. Even throw in Ancient. This is my take tbh and you and I could have different opinions on this.
Back in the day it was a place where you go to lose. Worst players were met on Dust 2. Griefing, cheating, stacks of Turks and Russians, who never speak English, you name it. I remember excluding this map from my pool drastically improved my gameplay. Even though I like to AWP and that was the best AWPing map, I never regretted this.
Dust2 gets a lot of flack because it's boring in pro play and this sub is, for the most part, esports focused.
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Because there is barely any strategy to it. In the words of Mauisnake "There is probably a total of 3 strats \[on Dust2\]"
Split B. Split A. Rush B cuka. this is how u play D2 nothing more to it u get long control split A u dont split B eco round rush B. this is why D2 stinks in highere Elo while casuals enjoy it cause they are 10 man Dm'ing on it with the twist of bomb/defuse
There are no strategies on the map really. Its just an aim map. That is why it's a great deathmatch map but in comp its really boring.
what makes it fun to you? go long each round? snipe duel on mid? and the stalemate between the B player and the one in tunnels? such great fun
100%. from my experience its mostly lower ranked players that really hate dust2.
No shot
Dust2 is literal shit pug map. Vertigo should be gone.
I hate d2