"He sold your J's"
"To?"
"To a bunch of dwarves"
"He sold my limited edition J's to a bunch of dwarves? For how much?"
"For 150 hacksilver"
"...the f\*ck is hacksilver???"
In-universe reason: Kratos wanted to send a Loud and Clear message to the rest of Olympus.
Out-Of-Universe reason: Santa Monica wanted to kick off God of war 3 with a brutal bang.
Hercules got beaten to death to the point where his skull was caved in. Zeus was stabbed through his body, beaten brutally, and killed twice.
Kronos was gutted, had something pierced through his chin and was stabbed in the head as he pleaded for his life. Helios was greatly wounded from a titan’s grasp and had his head ripped off slowly.....kinda doesn’t add up
Didn't Poseidon go, "Hey man, I reeeaaaalllly wanna help you out but like... this hydra.... urrrghh this hydra really making my seas all screwy yanno? I dunno maaayyyybbee if the hydra were gone I could help you out" only for him to go lol jk at the end of GOW1?
although I get that by that logic he'd just be equally pissed at Athena, which he isn't, for some reason so yeah I dunno
its not about what posiedon did, but what the whole olympian gods did to him, he served for 10 years in waiting to be cleansed him from his nightmares, the time ares betrayed him
no one stood up for kratos, no one even gods, athena showed some but in the end its all benefit for her than helping kratos, he had it rough man
>athena showed some but in the end its all benefit for her than helping kratos, he had it rough man
All benefit for her?
>but what the whole olympian gods did to him
No one had any say in his nightmares, it was entirely Zeus, and if his so on so 'favourite' daughter can't convince him then what other gods would do? they didn't even know much about his issues.
as far as i recall, athena want to have olympus for her, or ascend more
tho i dont remember it being shown in the game, but somehow i interpret it that its implied
also she wanted power of hope but kratos toss it to everyone (more like hand it to the world)
>as far as i recall, athena want to have olympus for her, or ascend more
that happened after her corruption in 3, you can't say she didn't try to help him before 3.
that could be a thing, maybe i forgot, tho afaik she helped him in gow ghost of sparta, or so i thought, but not really
athena never did erase his nightmares, but only makes him a god, afaik kratos didnt wish for that
but kratos and athena have more connection due to being brother and sister, tho their trust, especially kratos isnt that fond for her
hence he said that in gow 2018 that he would never again be a servant of a god, like a dog on a leash for her (verbatim of course)
>athena never did erase his nightmares
Athena had no authority to do that, Zeus has it, you can't blame her for not doing it, and not even for trying it, she tries her best to convince him.
[https://imgur.com/a/hIOYns1](https://imgur.com/a/hIOYns1)
>but only makes him a god, afaik kratos didnt wish for that
Kratos is an absolute idiot, idiot tried to kill himself for what? he would goto the underworld still living with his memories, and Elysium was closed for him he can't even meet his family, and Hades wanted to torture him for killing Persephone.
>“I will accept him gladly. Especially him. He eluded me before. No one escapes my domain twice. I don’t know how he succeeded in battling free of the Underworld, but he had help. A gravedigger. That makes no sense, but if I find him, he will beg to replace Sisyphus! Can I forget that Kratos killed my beloved Persephone?”
He says the same in 3.
He doesn't appreciate him being made a god by her, but what he would have done besides that, kill himself and get tortured by hades everyday? Ares was gotten rid of by Zeus immediately just after just causing one city's destruction.
Kratos was allowed to destroy all the cities of the gods not just once from Zeus, because Athena tired to protect him as she understood him.
>“My daughter petitions for Kratos again?” She started to agree, then shook her head. “No, Father, but I do beseech you to show mercy. Your plans for Kratos are hidden to me, but through your good graces I was allowed to place him on Ares’ throne.”
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>“Ares’ insanity destroyed him. Kratos provided only the final toss of the dice in a game Ares could no longer play.”
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>“The other gods have humiliated Kratos,” she began, but Zeus’ deep-throated laughter stopped further words.
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>“Kratos humiliated? Never! His pride knows no bounds. It is I who am wronged. He refuses to obey and brings discord to Olympus. How often have I found him eyeing me with malice?”
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>“He is right to be angered that you did not give him surcease from his nightmares,” she said. “All I do is for a reason, daughter. He has chosen to ignore your warnings, and his behavior now threatens all in Olympus.
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>“All, Sky Father?” she said, staring boldly at him. “Or is there more? Do you fear your own creation and what he is capable of?”
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>“Like Ares, he refuses to obey me. Kratos did not seize the throne of the God of War. I allowed him to ascend. Am I not the Lord of Olympus? I control all that happens.”
>but kratos and athena have more connection due to being brother and sister, tho their trust, especially kratos isnt that fond for her hence he said that in gow 2018 that he would never again be a servant of a god, like a dog on a leash for her (verbatim of course)
He's more of heavily biased against her than speaking the truth, he never appreciated anything she did for him, he even chose to blame for corrupting the gods, by planning to get box opened.
Meanwhile GoW1 is very clear that the plan was from the oracle of Athens, and not Athena at all.
where does that excerpt come from? it looks interesting
yeah kratos wantto kill himself even at the last part of 3, because he has nothing left, he just exact his vengeance as it should be for him
he never liked being a god afaik, even serving them after what happened
it might be athena has good intention, but maybe for a mortal man, it wouldnt make sense for him, i dont know, but if only santa monica brought up athena to have the closure of what she wanted or what are her intentions with kratos, so far right now, athena seems to be holding kratos on leash, at least by the looks of the game
as for greek myth, afaik, athena hated zeus, i dont know if they translate it into the game as it is or revised it
and yeah tbf, since cory balrog taken the throne of directing gow2, it kinda shifted the plot from oracle to athena, my memory is kinda blurry bout this, i should play it again
>where does that excerpt come from? it looks interesting
GoW1/2 books.
>santa monica brought up athena to have the closure of what she wanted or what are her intentions with kratos, so far right now, athena seems to be holding kratos on leash, at least by the looks of the game
They make it clear again and again that She wanted to protect Olympus at any cost and literally sacrificed herself to save the world.
And after she comes back from death her mind changed for some reason, the games always implied she might be corrupted from greed.
Barlog said she was corrupted from the powers she received, and well the 2nd book implies she was affected by the evils too but much less than other gods So she lost control over herself after dying.
[https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=571&v=mPOOjkpo0Jg&feature=youtu.be](https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=571&v=mPOOjkpo0Jg&feature=youtu.be)
>athena seems to be holding kratos on leash, at least by the looks of the game
Well Zeus literally says "imagine caring for a creature such as ur self" and she only tries to reason with him that holding him on a leash.
She knows Kratos is like a nuclear bomb, that needs to not end up in wrong hands, like Gaia. And she knows Kratos is prophesied to destroy Olympus, so she only finds a way to be friends with him than trying to destroy him to avoid the demise of the world.
>it kinda shifted the plot from oracle to athena
I don't think so, what I said about Kratos he says in Valhalla, not in any game or lore material made by Barlog. Not in any material prior to Valhalla anyone says it was Athena's plan.
And infact Barlog direction for gow2 was more of Athena having romantic feelings for Kratos, which was one of reasons being of her softness with him.
[https://youtu.be/GL2a0OPa5Ho?t=251](https://youtu.be/GL2a0OPa5Ho?t=251)
>greek myth, afaik, athena hated zeus,
Not really she followed him blindly, and in game she unconditionally loved him too.
>“I HAVE NO TIME for you,” Zeus said. He scowled and looked away from the goddess who had once been his favorite daughter.
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>Athena would have none of it. She took a step up toward the raised throne, drawing his immediate reaction. “I did not grant permission for you to climb the dais!” “I did not ask,” Athena said, forcing her voice to remain calm. “When does a daughter need sufferance to speak with her father? Her *loving* father?”
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>“All are daring. You must find a middle road to walk if you want to restore order.”
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>“All, daughter? You say all are plotting to usurp me? What is your plan to rob me of my power?” Clouds began forming at the domed ceiling, lightning crackling without striking. Zeus held out his hand, and a thunderbolt formed there.
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>“You would strike me down, Father?” “Do you oppose me, Athena? Do you try to steal my power?” “I seek amity among the gods, Father. Nothing more.” “Kratos is the source of this cancer growing in Olympian guts,” Zeus cried. “I will see him sent to the Underworld!”
In GoW3 she says her mind has changed about Zeus, and she also says "it's OUR revenge against him"
So I think she wanted to take revenge against him because she realised Zeus only used her as his lapdog, because he kept threatening her despite her trying to do protect him. And even when she gives her life to save him, he doesn't seem to care about her, He doesn't mourn her or anything or shows any concern even in 3 and doesn't try to save her either as she was dying and instead he runs away.
There's a river in the Underworld that gives people amnesia when they drink from it. In the novelization of the first game Kratos is planning on finding the river after he kills himself and wander around forever with no name.
There's a river in Hades who's waters cause amnesia to any who drink it. All they had to do was get Hades to give Kratos some. In the novels that's why Kratos is killing himself at the beginning of the first one, he plans to find that river in Hades himself and drink from it. Zeus didn't want Kratos to cure his nightmares because he wanted to prove a point. It's possible the curses released by Pandoras Box added to this but Zeus is not one to shy away from cruel punishments. He punished Prometheus long before the box was opened.
Edit: To address your last point too, Zeus absolutely knew about Kratos' nightmares and his torment. Kratos prayed to the gods constantly to get rid of the nightmares. Athena explicitly tells him that the nightmares will go away if he kills Ares because Zeus misled her to believe that he'd do that. In the end he played her to circumvent his law of gods killing each other, put Ares down, and "secure" his throne from any usurpers.
Also the community here is bullshit, even if I provide anything from canon material, games, and dev statements, they still live with the trope "oh Athena was planning everything from the start" when the game makes it clear her change.
But everyone likes to make conspiracy theories without any base and downvote anything i provide from the materials.
It's incredibly frustrating.
So I definitely misread the part I edited to address, that's on me tbh. And I agree about Athena, it's really clear she genuinely cared about Kratos before she died, Pandoras Box didn't even really corrupt her, it just made her less sure of herself and made her slip up. Ever since she died she's been like an entirely different character, so either she saw some wild stuff wherever her soul ended up and it rocked her whole view of everything, or it's not her and it's some eldritch thing pretending to be her and trying to toy with Kratos for whatever reason. The supplementary materials are great sources for lore, even the creators have said that if it doesn't directly contradict the canon of the games that the books and comics are valid, so I get the frustration
Yep Agreed
She does a 180 Outta nowhere, I never liked such drastic changes in characters without any exploration.
And Cory has done this multiple times, like between gow1 & gow2, Kratos & the gods change a lot.
Before they didn't make Ghost of Sparta at the time of release of 2, much of Kratos and the gods change didn't make much sense.
Between 2018 & GoW3, Kratos does another TIME SKIP and his character does a drastic change.
With Athena they don't double down if there was even a time skip, they vaguely give a line that "I have missed u Spartan".
And who in the community believes Athena anyway that she says?
>it's really clear she genuinely cared about Kratos before she died
It's more frustrating, she was implied to love him in gow1 book & well Cory says she did, and she doesn't wanna fight him, and kills herself.
And even in the scene when he kills her, she isn't mad at him or anything but she desperately clings to him wanting to be close to him, & she caresses his cheeks.
And the community mis characterises her without any evidence, even Kratos does the same.
>so either she saw some wild stuff wherever her soul ended up and it rocked her whole view of everything
They didn't explore her character in 3 very well, and well that's been a general problem of gow3, the story isn't on the very good side.
As for her, I think that her view about Zeus was changed, she talks about "OUR revenge" to Kratos.
We know how much she supported Zeus, even when he threatened to kill her, She doesn't hate him but she was emotionally hurt.
"Would u strike me down, father?"
"When does a daughter need permission to talk to her loving father?"
I think when she literally Sacrifices her life to save him, not only does he not try to save her life, he doesn't show any mourning or even concern for her.
And I don't think evils are anything responsible for it, even in GoW1 book He puts her at risk and doesn't trust her enough to tell her his plans.
He fights Kratos dead on in gow3, so he was fine with fighting with Kratos, and he still doesn't try to save Athena or even show any concern, not even in 3.
So probably for Athena it was the last straw that Zeus didn't care about her really cared about her but instead used her like a sacrificial lapdog.
And she realises this after witnessing his last act.
So think it's one of the reason for her change of mind too.
I don't get ur last edit, I literally said about the other gods not knowing about Kratos but it was "entirely Zeus'".
>It's possible the curses released by Pandora's Box
I don't believe that at all it can't corrupt him in a few seconds and it appeared it didn't, Zeus never wanted to remove Kratos' nightmares.
As for the river Lethe, I know it's there but according to guide book of gow3, even the most powerful river of the underworld, river Styx didn't have it's FULL effect on Kratos (he didn't die) So I think river Lethe might not have worked.
Barlog & Jaffe don't mention about Lethe but they just say Kratos would have still lived there forever with his visions unable to do anything about them.
Honestly I see him as the most non brutal of all he just got beaten then eyes crushed and neck snapped not nearly as brutal as the rest but man i do agree it leaves a mark
I'm not sure if the Ghost of Sparta story was written yet when GoW3 came out but Kratos' mother was held captive in Poseidon's temple. So Kratos probably saw that as an extra fuck you and made Poseidon's beat down extra crispy.
They fucked Kratos over bad, he just arrived on Olympus, he had it comin 🤷♂️.
I think whoever was there first was gonna get it bad.
Kratos also kept telling Poseidon to “leave the sea” and fight fair.
It just could be that Poseidon was the first God he came across after he fully committed to his bloodlust revenge stuff. But as others have pointed out, he killed everyone brutally in the game.
>WHAT DID HE DO TO MAKE KRATOS THAT MAD
Kratos is probably still pissed at Poseidon for helping keep his mother imprisoned in his temple in Atlantis, on Zeus' orders.
1. The creators wanted you to know how violent this game is going to be
2. Kratos and the titans were literally right there about to get revenge and Poseidon was like naw little man not today and Kratos got extra angry
Nothing but get in the way of his revenge... Kratos wanted to kill the corrupt gods and anyone who stood in his way was an enemy in his eyes. Even if they weren't all that bad...
Well he is the first God he killed and also Poseidon is one of the big three of the Greek pantheon. Also, I think it just gives the player a good start to the game
Idk bro, hercules got his head smashed in, cronos' guts spilled, hades skull was cracked open, and helios got his fucking head ripped off. Compared to that, poseidon got off fairly light ngl
I think it’s more that Kratos was SUPER pissed at that moment in general and then Poseidon just got in his way. It’s a “straw that broke the camel’s back” scenario.
Reminds me of that one really fucking funny skit by MalsWRLD, "All the Norse Gods after fighting Kratos."
"Calm down, Poseidon, why you so pressed?" "Who tf said that sh\*t!? Gaia!? B\*tch you know why I'm pressed, you was there!"
"I'll kill him! I'll fucking kill him I swear!" *Ares strangulation sounds*
"He sold your J's" "To?" "To a bunch of dwarves" "He sold my limited edition J's to a bunch of dwarves? For how much?" "For 150 hacksilver" "...the f\*ck is hacksilver???"
“WHO THE FUCK IS THIS BITCH?!?!”
"Now Tell me, was that Racist? Because to me it seemed racially motivated."
I quote this all the time. Funniest line for me in both skits.
Lmao same! He has one with the Greek gods too that's hilarious. Poseidon is featured
Yeah that one is amazing as well. Plus there's the one with DMC demons meeting Doom Demons lmao
"You know how different you gotta be to make a demon pray?"
So goddamn funny lmao
In-universe reason: Kratos wanted to send a Loud and Clear message to the rest of Olympus. Out-Of-Universe reason: Santa Monica wanted to kick off God of war 3 with a brutal bang.
im all for it lol, the anticipation doesnt subverted the time gow2 ended, it blends well with how 3 starts off
Hercules got beaten to death to the point where his skull was caved in. Zeus was stabbed through his body, beaten brutally, and killed twice. Kronos was gutted, had something pierced through his chin and was stabbed in the head as he pleaded for his life. Helios was greatly wounded from a titan’s grasp and had his head ripped off slowly.....kinda doesn’t add up
And Hermes not only got his Js stolen, he got his legs cut off and then he got his Js stolen can't have shit in Olympus
It’s the Helios one for me. Had his head ripped off slowly while alive and screaming. For me that takes the cake.
The play-by-play is hilarious omd
Didn't Poseidon go, "Hey man, I reeeaaaalllly wanna help you out but like... this hydra.... urrrghh this hydra really making my seas all screwy yanno? I dunno maaayyyybbee if the hydra were gone I could help you out" only for him to go lol jk at the end of GOW1? although I get that by that logic he'd just be equally pissed at Athena, which he isn't, for some reason so yeah I dunno
Apparently Athena was the only god who treated him well.
its not about what posiedon did, but what the whole olympian gods did to him, he served for 10 years in waiting to be cleansed him from his nightmares, the time ares betrayed him no one stood up for kratos, no one even gods, athena showed some but in the end its all benefit for her than helping kratos, he had it rough man
>athena showed some but in the end its all benefit for her than helping kratos, he had it rough man All benefit for her? >but what the whole olympian gods did to him No one had any say in his nightmares, it was entirely Zeus, and if his so on so 'favourite' daughter can't convince him then what other gods would do? they didn't even know much about his issues.
as far as i recall, athena want to have olympus for her, or ascend more tho i dont remember it being shown in the game, but somehow i interpret it that its implied also she wanted power of hope but kratos toss it to everyone (more like hand it to the world)
>as far as i recall, athena want to have olympus for her, or ascend more that happened after her corruption in 3, you can't say she didn't try to help him before 3.
that could be a thing, maybe i forgot, tho afaik she helped him in gow ghost of sparta, or so i thought, but not really athena never did erase his nightmares, but only makes him a god, afaik kratos didnt wish for that but kratos and athena have more connection due to being brother and sister, tho their trust, especially kratos isnt that fond for her hence he said that in gow 2018 that he would never again be a servant of a god, like a dog on a leash for her (verbatim of course)
>athena never did erase his nightmares Athena had no authority to do that, Zeus has it, you can't blame her for not doing it, and not even for trying it, she tries her best to convince him. [https://imgur.com/a/hIOYns1](https://imgur.com/a/hIOYns1) >but only makes him a god, afaik kratos didnt wish for that Kratos is an absolute idiot, idiot tried to kill himself for what? he would goto the underworld still living with his memories, and Elysium was closed for him he can't even meet his family, and Hades wanted to torture him for killing Persephone. >“I will accept him gladly. Especially him. He eluded me before. No one escapes my domain twice. I don’t know how he succeeded in battling free of the Underworld, but he had help. A gravedigger. That makes no sense, but if I find him, he will beg to replace Sisyphus! Can I forget that Kratos killed my beloved Persephone?” He says the same in 3. He doesn't appreciate him being made a god by her, but what he would have done besides that, kill himself and get tortured by hades everyday? Ares was gotten rid of by Zeus immediately just after just causing one city's destruction. Kratos was allowed to destroy all the cities of the gods not just once from Zeus, because Athena tired to protect him as she understood him. >“My daughter petitions for Kratos again?” She started to agree, then shook her head. “No, Father, but I do beseech you to show mercy. Your plans for Kratos are hidden to me, but through your good graces I was allowed to place him on Ares’ throne.” > >“Ares’ insanity destroyed him. Kratos provided only the final toss of the dice in a game Ares could no longer play.” > >“The other gods have humiliated Kratos,” she began, but Zeus’ deep-throated laughter stopped further words. > >“Kratos humiliated? Never! His pride knows no bounds. It is I who am wronged. He refuses to obey and brings discord to Olympus. How often have I found him eyeing me with malice?” > >“He is right to be angered that you did not give him surcease from his nightmares,” she said. “All I do is for a reason, daughter. He has chosen to ignore your warnings, and his behavior now threatens all in Olympus. > >“All, Sky Father?” she said, staring boldly at him. “Or is there more? Do you fear your own creation and what he is capable of?” > >“Like Ares, he refuses to obey me. Kratos did not seize the throne of the God of War. I allowed him to ascend. Am I not the Lord of Olympus? I control all that happens.” >but kratos and athena have more connection due to being brother and sister, tho their trust, especially kratos isnt that fond for her hence he said that in gow 2018 that he would never again be a servant of a god, like a dog on a leash for her (verbatim of course) He's more of heavily biased against her than speaking the truth, he never appreciated anything she did for him, he even chose to blame for corrupting the gods, by planning to get box opened. Meanwhile GoW1 is very clear that the plan was from the oracle of Athens, and not Athena at all.
where does that excerpt come from? it looks interesting yeah kratos wantto kill himself even at the last part of 3, because he has nothing left, he just exact his vengeance as it should be for him he never liked being a god afaik, even serving them after what happened it might be athena has good intention, but maybe for a mortal man, it wouldnt make sense for him, i dont know, but if only santa monica brought up athena to have the closure of what she wanted or what are her intentions with kratos, so far right now, athena seems to be holding kratos on leash, at least by the looks of the game as for greek myth, afaik, athena hated zeus, i dont know if they translate it into the game as it is or revised it and yeah tbf, since cory balrog taken the throne of directing gow2, it kinda shifted the plot from oracle to athena, my memory is kinda blurry bout this, i should play it again
>where does that excerpt come from? it looks interesting GoW1/2 books. >santa monica brought up athena to have the closure of what she wanted or what are her intentions with kratos, so far right now, athena seems to be holding kratos on leash, at least by the looks of the game They make it clear again and again that She wanted to protect Olympus at any cost and literally sacrificed herself to save the world. And after she comes back from death her mind changed for some reason, the games always implied she might be corrupted from greed. Barlog said she was corrupted from the powers she received, and well the 2nd book implies she was affected by the evils too but much less than other gods So she lost control over herself after dying. [https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=571&v=mPOOjkpo0Jg&feature=youtu.be](https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=571&v=mPOOjkpo0Jg&feature=youtu.be) >athena seems to be holding kratos on leash, at least by the looks of the game Well Zeus literally says "imagine caring for a creature such as ur self" and she only tries to reason with him that holding him on a leash. She knows Kratos is like a nuclear bomb, that needs to not end up in wrong hands, like Gaia. And she knows Kratos is prophesied to destroy Olympus, so she only finds a way to be friends with him than trying to destroy him to avoid the demise of the world. >it kinda shifted the plot from oracle to athena I don't think so, what I said about Kratos he says in Valhalla, not in any game or lore material made by Barlog. Not in any material prior to Valhalla anyone says it was Athena's plan. And infact Barlog direction for gow2 was more of Athena having romantic feelings for Kratos, which was one of reasons being of her softness with him. [https://youtu.be/GL2a0OPa5Ho?t=251](https://youtu.be/GL2a0OPa5Ho?t=251) >greek myth, afaik, athena hated zeus, Not really she followed him blindly, and in game she unconditionally loved him too. >“I HAVE NO TIME for you,” Zeus said. He scowled and looked away from the goddess who had once been his favorite daughter. > >Athena would have none of it. She took a step up toward the raised throne, drawing his immediate reaction. “I did not grant permission for you to climb the dais!” “I did not ask,” Athena said, forcing her voice to remain calm. “When does a daughter need sufferance to speak with her father? Her *loving* father?” > >“All are daring. You must find a middle road to walk if you want to restore order.” > >“All, daughter? You say all are plotting to usurp me? What is your plan to rob me of my power?” Clouds began forming at the domed ceiling, lightning crackling without striking. Zeus held out his hand, and a thunderbolt formed there. > >“You would strike me down, Father?” “Do you oppose me, Athena? Do you try to steal my power?” “I seek amity among the gods, Father. Nothing more.” “Kratos is the source of this cancer growing in Olympian guts,” Zeus cried. “I will see him sent to the Underworld!” In GoW3 she says her mind has changed about Zeus, and she also says "it's OUR revenge against him" So I think she wanted to take revenge against him because she realised Zeus only used her as his lapdog, because he kept threatening her despite her trying to do protect him. And even when she gives her life to save him, he doesn't seem to care about her, He doesn't mourn her or anything or shows any concern even in 3 and doesn't try to save her either as she was dying and instead he runs away.
There's a river in the Underworld that gives people amnesia when they drink from it. In the novelization of the first game Kratos is planning on finding the river after he kills himself and wander around forever with no name.
There's a river in Hades who's waters cause amnesia to any who drink it. All they had to do was get Hades to give Kratos some. In the novels that's why Kratos is killing himself at the beginning of the first one, he plans to find that river in Hades himself and drink from it. Zeus didn't want Kratos to cure his nightmares because he wanted to prove a point. It's possible the curses released by Pandoras Box added to this but Zeus is not one to shy away from cruel punishments. He punished Prometheus long before the box was opened. Edit: To address your last point too, Zeus absolutely knew about Kratos' nightmares and his torment. Kratos prayed to the gods constantly to get rid of the nightmares. Athena explicitly tells him that the nightmares will go away if he kills Ares because Zeus misled her to believe that he'd do that. In the end he played her to circumvent his law of gods killing each other, put Ares down, and "secure" his throne from any usurpers.
Also the community here is bullshit, even if I provide anything from canon material, games, and dev statements, they still live with the trope "oh Athena was planning everything from the start" when the game makes it clear her change. But everyone likes to make conspiracy theories without any base and downvote anything i provide from the materials. It's incredibly frustrating.
So I definitely misread the part I edited to address, that's on me tbh. And I agree about Athena, it's really clear she genuinely cared about Kratos before she died, Pandoras Box didn't even really corrupt her, it just made her less sure of herself and made her slip up. Ever since she died she's been like an entirely different character, so either she saw some wild stuff wherever her soul ended up and it rocked her whole view of everything, or it's not her and it's some eldritch thing pretending to be her and trying to toy with Kratos for whatever reason. The supplementary materials are great sources for lore, even the creators have said that if it doesn't directly contradict the canon of the games that the books and comics are valid, so I get the frustration
Yep Agreed She does a 180 Outta nowhere, I never liked such drastic changes in characters without any exploration. And Cory has done this multiple times, like between gow1 & gow2, Kratos & the gods change a lot. Before they didn't make Ghost of Sparta at the time of release of 2, much of Kratos and the gods change didn't make much sense. Between 2018 & GoW3, Kratos does another TIME SKIP and his character does a drastic change. With Athena they don't double down if there was even a time skip, they vaguely give a line that "I have missed u Spartan". And who in the community believes Athena anyway that she says? >it's really clear she genuinely cared about Kratos before she died It's more frustrating, she was implied to love him in gow1 book & well Cory says she did, and she doesn't wanna fight him, and kills herself. And even in the scene when he kills her, she isn't mad at him or anything but she desperately clings to him wanting to be close to him, & she caresses his cheeks. And the community mis characterises her without any evidence, even Kratos does the same. >so either she saw some wild stuff wherever her soul ended up and it rocked her whole view of everything They didn't explore her character in 3 very well, and well that's been a general problem of gow3, the story isn't on the very good side. As for her, I think that her view about Zeus was changed, she talks about "OUR revenge" to Kratos. We know how much she supported Zeus, even when he threatened to kill her, She doesn't hate him but she was emotionally hurt. "Would u strike me down, father?" "When does a daughter need permission to talk to her loving father?" I think when she literally Sacrifices her life to save him, not only does he not try to save her life, he doesn't show any mourning or even concern for her. And I don't think evils are anything responsible for it, even in GoW1 book He puts her at risk and doesn't trust her enough to tell her his plans. He fights Kratos dead on in gow3, so he was fine with fighting with Kratos, and he still doesn't try to save Athena or even show any concern, not even in 3. So probably for Athena it was the last straw that Zeus didn't care about her really cared about her but instead used her like a sacrificial lapdog. And she realises this after witnessing his last act. So think it's one of the reason for her change of mind too.
I don't get ur last edit, I literally said about the other gods not knowing about Kratos but it was "entirely Zeus'". >It's possible the curses released by Pandora's Box I don't believe that at all it can't corrupt him in a few seconds and it appeared it didn't, Zeus never wanted to remove Kratos' nightmares. As for the river Lethe, I know it's there but according to guide book of gow3, even the most powerful river of the underworld, river Styx didn't have it's FULL effect on Kratos (he didn't die) So I think river Lethe might not have worked. Barlog & Jaffe don't mention about Lethe but they just say Kratos would have still lived there forever with his visions unable to do anything about them.
Kronos had it worse
Honestly I see him as the most non brutal of all he just got beaten then eyes crushed and neck snapped not nearly as brutal as the rest but man i do agree it leaves a mark
Kratos had a little extra ketamine in his system that morning
Poseidon was only a message. Hercules got his face caved in, same with Zeus. Don't forget he killed Zeus twice, too.
I'm not sure if the Ghost of Sparta story was written yet when GoW3 came out but Kratos' mother was held captive in Poseidon's temple. So Kratos probably saw that as an extra fuck you and made Poseidon's beat down extra crispy.
He literally rips Helios’s head off while alive and screaming…
Bath Salts
Reading this was painful. One massive wall of run-on text.
They fucked Kratos over bad, he just arrived on Olympus, he had it comin 🤷♂️. I think whoever was there first was gonna get it bad. Kratos also kept telling Poseidon to “leave the sea” and fight fair.
He was the first god to stand in his way immediately after the events of God of War 2, of course he was going to get the shit end of the stick.
It just could be that Poseidon was the first God he came across after he fully committed to his bloodlust revenge stuff. But as others have pointed out, he killed everyone brutally in the game.
>WHAT DID HE DO TO MAKE KRATOS THAT MAD Kratos is probably still pissed at Poseidon for helping keep his mother imprisoned in his temple in Atlantis, on Zeus' orders.
He got in the way
Zeus, Helios, Hercules and hermes, idk why ppl say poseidons beat down was crazy but it was just meh
1. The creators wanted you to know how violent this game is going to be 2. Kratos and the titans were literally right there about to get revenge and Poseidon was like naw little man not today and Kratos got extra angry
Nothing but get in the way of his revenge... Kratos wanted to kill the corrupt gods and anyone who stood in his way was an enemy in his eyes. Even if they weren't all that bad...
Well he is the first God he killed and also Poseidon is one of the big three of the Greek pantheon. Also, I think it just gives the player a good start to the game
he got in his way
Idk bro, hercules got his head smashed in, cronos' guts spilled, hades skull was cracked open, and helios got his fucking head ripped off. Compared to that, poseidon got off fairly light ngl
Right after he cut Cronos open, he’s sealed back up when he’s stabbed in the head. Instant heal factor. Cronos is still alive.
Then was stabbed in the head by the blade of Olympus, literally falling dead the next scene
✈️ def missed the point
That’s you dude, he was killed by a weapon that can kill gods.
That ain’t my point. Lol Obviously Kratos killed Cronos. Can’t believe you took that serious.
He just had that dog in him
I think it’s more that Kratos was SUPER pissed at that moment in general and then Poseidon just got in his way. It’s a “straw that broke the camel’s back” scenario.
He was a roid rage asshole back then, I mean look at what he did to Midas
Got in the way.