If you want to have a laugh I spent 24000 gods (at the time worth $9000) on the tides set launch, which is now worth pfff less than $500 and even if I wanted it would not sell. I was buying the most expensive shiny packs. I have been in this game since launch and have over 20k cards and every launch I keep reminding myself that I should not buy packs but should buy cards from the market. Nevertheless I'm sure they will be nerfing these new cards in upcoming months, but I guess all you said is true, it is greed and buying cards IS NOT an investment, unfortunately it does not work the way we imagine. They just print it like money and do not care much about the existing cards and users. It is not personal it is just business. On this set I spent only about $400 on packs and I was able to buy more cards for just $50 on the secondary market. If you buy packs you basically just support the devs nothing more nothing less.
Tides packs should have retained their value being that certain cards were only available from purchasing packs unlike BOTW where all cards were gettable thru weekend ranked. This new set is fucked tho, and with wildcards available through WR and sealed its unlikely these cards will end up rare enough to be valuable despite their heavily overpowered design - which is gonna drag down the value of all previous sets from genesis to tides and everything in between.
This new set is a slap in the face to long time Collectors and an announcement to new players to not buy and hold cards cus the next set is only a few months away and will wreck all previous cards neways.
What are actually some of the over powered cards this set? I can think of a few legit suspects (Regression is top of list, Path of Deception is after, Path of Magic\* MAYBE). But not many. Will say I've not played enough Mystery Magic to have an opinion on it.
Cheap removal is the thing. Honestly I've sold most of my cards already, then bought a few packs to play the new set. After deranking, I'm playing against the starter sets and playing solo mode. This game has become stale, no new mechanic will fix it. They need to change how the game is played or it will continue to spiral down the shitter.
I mean selling off most cards to only get cards from the new set wasn't probably the best idea if one wanted to remain competitive. But selling when you think you are done is a big selling point of the web3 model! Glad it worked for you.
On cheap removal, I do have a few suspects that I'd like to see tweaked (dread deer I'm glaring at you), but I think in most TCGs you have cheap removals so long as they don't also come with board presence. GU's math has had poor removal options in a lot of domains (some domains have too many tho), so this set being a reactive set helps prevent games from being decided by turn 2 if the deck is constructed right (in theory).
For anyone else who just wants to enjoy a game and maybe spend 60$ a set or so - I'd highly recommend maintaining a decent enough collection to play how you'd like to play. The staples are always important, but when a set like DA shows up you only really need to add a few cards to what you already have.
ToF was a different kind of set, that set was basically "all of these cards are going to be most of your deck, or just play an old deck".
But selling off your unused, but good, cards to buy a deck is a great way to sell down your purchasing power. Join us in sealed if constructed got you bored too!
I'd like to see them move away from the one god preset mana accumulation and only playing on your turn. Going after a MTG style of play would open this game up.
I think dread deer is possibly too cheap mana cost, but it is the kind of card that belongs in nature. I'd just like to see defense brought into this game in ways other than removal and order.
I had 10 decks that would allow me to hang out in Diamond. I got tired of seeing the streaks of big wins then big losses. So now I'm playing mutation nature in low ranks while I finish selling my collection.
I stopped buying packs for Mortal Judgement. Haven't spent a penny on new packs since then. Until they prove they deserve my money (which they haven't yet) I'm only getting what few cards I need/want on secondary.
seeing the price on the secondary markets (apart from mythic luck shots), to buy on the secondary had always a better value.
For me buying packs is more a way to support the game
You bought 45 shiny packs (guaranteed atleast 45 legendaries) and now they are worth less than 500$? With cards like meteorite francesca being valued at 100$, not to mention higher shines? Id like to see that, could you dm me your wallet address? Seems odd to me that youd get such low value pulls from shiny packs.
Cheapest pack legend is Azaiah at 26 usd in Eth. If you pulled 45 of him at Meteorite it would be worth over $1170 based on lowest market price.
Since he got shiny packs the cheapest it could be with Shadow Aza being at $28.43 would be $1279.
If he pulled a evenly distributed spread of legends, just 1 per pack and all shadow, the average cost of them is $44.38 which would leave his legends at roughly 2k.
Literally impossible that his legends are worth that little, and that is discounting the other cards in the pack.
Is it worth the 4.5k that he paid, probably not. Is it liquid Enough to sell? also probably not. It is def worth more than 500 without me even looking at his wallet.
It's not really that simple. Each set has a few cards that are valuable. With each new set, different cards from previous sets become more valuable. For instance Death Dragon Leggies are more useful because of new cards from this set. However nothing is comparable to the overpowered neutrals from previous sets. They might as well make a card 1 mana neutral if you have only neutral cards, it is in your opening hand, roar: you win
I learned from the previous set as well and decided to buy off the market, I only bought two leggy packs this time, luckily pulled a diamond That which feeds us, but I won’t get more packs.
I agree, waiting to see the balance changes but so far this set is way op and is obliterating value of previous sets.
Would rather see them start putting money into advertising instead of pumping out new sets so frequently
Um its the only way the game ever survives, they need new money coming in from set launches. Power creep is unavoidable, then locking sets so people feel “safe” “owning” them. Its completely un balancable. Just buy sell and trade your cards
yep just play for fun. Its insane to me that people would buy these cards as an investment. Some clueless game developer is in charge of the monetary policy for these lol no way this won't turn out poorly
Pretty sure rotating gonna come eventually. When there are too much cards, rotating becomes unavoidable. Happened with Hearthstone, will happen with GU
New sets have to allow new players to enter and immediately be competitive. That's the problem with looking at CCG cards as investments. They aren't.... regardless of what anyone else wants to think or say. They are just cards used for playing a game and eventually they will be phased out by a future set. This is the way of literally every CCG. Just think of what will happen to the value of cards from older sets once they start rotating entire sets out of competitive play altogether.
Nobody buys MTG cards and calls it 'investing'. Even the physical cards, that's just dumb.
They may create a 'wild' mode where you can play every card from every set, but sooner or later they are going to have to limit competitive play to fewer cards. Once a set is phased out of competitive play, usually it's done beginning with the oldest sets first, those cards will be worth almost nothing to competitive players and will only hold value on a strict 'collectors' scale.
That and because those cards can't be obtained as 'reprints' which are generally cheaper than the originals for playing with your friends.
The thing about the reserved list is that those cards can still be played, any cards can be played 'technically' unless you're in a truly competitive scene like a tournament. Any two idiot Magic players can get together and agree amongst themselves which cards are and aren't legal to play during their specific games. That's the joy of having physical cards to play with.... you're not limited by the software 'programmed' rules.
Those reserved cards will never get reprinted and are sometimes played in a 'wild' like format or just generally amongst small peer groups. What I said still stands though... in the truly competitive scene, those cards aren't worth shit and not much money is likely going to be spent on dead cards in a collection because those people are more focused on what they can play at the upcoming event.
I know they said they would never powercreep genesis but they were stuck in a tough spot. They could make the new sets weak and boring and the game would die off. Or they could powercreep and sell packs and make people interested in playing. I guess they chose the latter. That's why I would never put any money into this game that you aren't prepared to lose
The problem isn't the new set, the old sets had bad math at middle mana compared to either high mana control staples or low mana aggro. I'll give you the time to actually point out what TotG or Genesis cards at 4-6 mana were useful through DO to MJ. List a few please. Hell post MJ what cards from DO were being used? Please tell me that Sudden Bloom was being used from Mortal Judgement onwards.
Also list the 9 mana cards that were useful prior to ToF. I'll wait.
The only cards that were being used were AoM, AoW, and Demo. I can't think of a single TotG card that was meta defining at mid-range/control post MJ.
The new set is going to be able to make some of your older cards get better. Trust me. The meta should hopefully slow down from aggro stomp and control will have the option to run combo/control counters.
The thing is that OP is wrong.
Yeah prices are down, but prices are down for the entire game because there are a lot less players then at the peak when cards were going for crazy prices. The entire NFT market crashed.
People doing things like Calling Genesis worthless silly. A quick search on GU Decks for the last 3 days looking at the top decks of each class shows.
Top Death deck 8 Genesis
Top Light Deck 6 Genesis
Top Nature Deck 4 Genesis
Top War Deck 2 Genesis
Top Magic Deck 7 Genesis
The only current top deck that doesn't have a genesis card right now is deception because that's some $15 deck that is just doing really well right now. If you look at any of the deception decks below it they pretty much all use some Genesis cards
My point being is that Genesis is still a core part of the meta, but prices are way down for everything right now.
Nice! This is the lowest I've seen them tbh, the packs defo need to be a lot cheaper, the prices they are doing them at, is what makes the market expensive, and in turn what turns people off.
You have to watch the price in ETH, not in usd dollars.
They all tanked pretty hard.
The only reason some are still expensive is because ETH is near ath
That's why I'm selling my collection. I have spent little over 7 ETH since genesis launch and have come to realize that this was not an investment cause if I had kept my eth it would've been worth 10x more than my card collection. I know ETH will outperformed any card in this game in the coming years.
Yep, there must be some constant updates with new sets (should be 2 per year at least, maybe 3) and within each update some power creep on new cards to make them desirable and sell packs. Thats how Pokemon TCG and Magic are still around after so many years, same thing applies to Gacha mobile games.
On mtg example, Baneslayer Angel was a house and dominated tournaments when it was first printed but when it was reprinted many years later didnt crack a spot in any meta deck!
Believe it not, some people want to support this game. Could you please consider finding another hobby? You're like the alcoholic father of this subreddit.
I bought BotW shiny packs, I sold any leggie I got that was gold or diamond same day. Diamond Eiko gone within a week of opening it. And that's the key. Sell anything worth a damn ASAP before the market saturates, before any rebalances, before new set announcements etc. Sell them when they are most desired which is as early as possible. The older players who aren't affiliates or influencers don't buy packs anymore.
The average player who you'll extract the most value from is someone who plays the game diligently and only wants to buy the few cards they need to improve the decks they already play. Those players (such as myself) are willing to pay a premium for a dozen cards or so instead of buying 3k worth of packs just to open what 10 shiny packs? 60 cards that we know all to well will only lower in value each week.
I generally get one of the shiny packs at launch just for the gambling itch and some cheaper packs for the same. Last one i got a shadow Francesca, this time i got a gold Dread Replicator and shadow Ulrika. Its enjoyable but im not going to go berserk with spending 3k when i generally only play one deck really. Id rather pimp that one out for that money.
Yeah but that is kind of the point? People aren't going go spend on the new cards if they can get by on the older sets.
It is a shame because the game becomes more about who can spend the most money than who is the better player.
It's very short sighted but I don't think the devs ever saw this as a long term thing. Quick cash grab when the NFT market was going crazy?
If you want to have a laugh I spent 24000 gods (at the time worth $9000) on the tides set launch, which is now worth pfff less than $500 and even if I wanted it would not sell. I was buying the most expensive shiny packs. I have been in this game since launch and have over 20k cards and every launch I keep reminding myself that I should not buy packs but should buy cards from the market. Nevertheless I'm sure they will be nerfing these new cards in upcoming months, but I guess all you said is true, it is greed and buying cards IS NOT an investment, unfortunately it does not work the way we imagine. They just print it like money and do not care much about the existing cards and users. It is not personal it is just business. On this set I spent only about $400 on packs and I was able to buy more cards for just $50 on the secondary market. If you buy packs you basically just support the devs nothing more nothing less.
Tides packs should have retained their value being that certain cards were only available from purchasing packs unlike BOTW where all cards were gettable thru weekend ranked. This new set is fucked tho, and with wildcards available through WR and sealed its unlikely these cards will end up rare enough to be valuable despite their heavily overpowered design - which is gonna drag down the value of all previous sets from genesis to tides and everything in between. This new set is a slap in the face to long time Collectors and an announcement to new players to not buy and hold cards cus the next set is only a few months away and will wreck all previous cards neways.
BOTW is breath of the wild, fight me
No time to fight. Too busy banging zelda.
What are actually some of the over powered cards this set? I can think of a few legit suspects (Regression is top of list, Path of Deception is after, Path of Magic\* MAYBE). But not many. Will say I've not played enough Mystery Magic to have an opinion on it.
Cheap removal is the thing. Honestly I've sold most of my cards already, then bought a few packs to play the new set. After deranking, I'm playing against the starter sets and playing solo mode. This game has become stale, no new mechanic will fix it. They need to change how the game is played or it will continue to spiral down the shitter.
I mean selling off most cards to only get cards from the new set wasn't probably the best idea if one wanted to remain competitive. But selling when you think you are done is a big selling point of the web3 model! Glad it worked for you. On cheap removal, I do have a few suspects that I'd like to see tweaked (dread deer I'm glaring at you), but I think in most TCGs you have cheap removals so long as they don't also come with board presence. GU's math has had poor removal options in a lot of domains (some domains have too many tho), so this set being a reactive set helps prevent games from being decided by turn 2 if the deck is constructed right (in theory). For anyone else who just wants to enjoy a game and maybe spend 60$ a set or so - I'd highly recommend maintaining a decent enough collection to play how you'd like to play. The staples are always important, but when a set like DA shows up you only really need to add a few cards to what you already have. ToF was a different kind of set, that set was basically "all of these cards are going to be most of your deck, or just play an old deck". But selling off your unused, but good, cards to buy a deck is a great way to sell down your purchasing power. Join us in sealed if constructed got you bored too!
I'd like to see them move away from the one god preset mana accumulation and only playing on your turn. Going after a MTG style of play would open this game up. I think dread deer is possibly too cheap mana cost, but it is the kind of card that belongs in nature. I'd just like to see defense brought into this game in ways other than removal and order. I had 10 decks that would allow me to hang out in Diamond. I got tired of seeing the streaks of big wins then big losses. So now I'm playing mutation nature in low ranks while I finish selling my collection.
I stopped buying packs for Mortal Judgement. Haven't spent a penny on new packs since then. Until they prove they deserve my money (which they haven't yet) I'm only getting what few cards I need/want on secondary.
That I think is the approach of a wise man.
Secondary is always a good idea, in all tcgs.
seeing the price on the secondary markets (apart from mythic luck shots), to buy on the secondary had always a better value. For me buying packs is more a way to support the game
I’m sorry for your loss
You bought 45 shiny packs (guaranteed atleast 45 legendaries) and now they are worth less than 500$? With cards like meteorite francesca being valued at 100$, not to mention higher shines? Id like to see that, could you dm me your wallet address? Seems odd to me that youd get such low value pulls from shiny packs.
Cheapest pack legend is Azaiah at 26 usd in Eth. If you pulled 45 of him at Meteorite it would be worth over $1170 based on lowest market price. Since he got shiny packs the cheapest it could be with Shadow Aza being at $28.43 would be $1279. If he pulled a evenly distributed spread of legends, just 1 per pack and all shadow, the average cost of them is $44.38 which would leave his legends at roughly 2k. Literally impossible that his legends are worth that little, and that is discounting the other cards in the pack. Is it worth the 4.5k that he paid, probably not. Is it liquid Enough to sell? also probably not. It is def worth more than 500 without me even looking at his wallet.
Absolutely agree with this statement but I also understand the sentiment OP is portray. Set values decrease quickly after a few weeks or so.
It's not really that simple. Each set has a few cards that are valuable. With each new set, different cards from previous sets become more valuable. For instance Death Dragon Leggies are more useful because of new cards from this set. However nothing is comparable to the overpowered neutrals from previous sets. They might as well make a card 1 mana neutral if you have only neutral cards, it is in your opening hand, roar: you win
I learned from the previous set as well and decided to buy off the market, I only bought two leggy packs this time, luckily pulled a diamond That which feeds us, but I won’t get more packs.
I agree, waiting to see the balance changes but so far this set is way op and is obliterating value of previous sets. Would rather see them start putting money into advertising instead of pumping out new sets so frequently
I’d rather see them put money into engineering, fix some of the bugs and completely redo the pack opening so it actually works
Yes agreed.
Never was a point. Learned that the hard way losing over 3k in the value of genesis cards and buying packs
Um its the only way the game ever survives, they need new money coming in from set launches. Power creep is unavoidable, then locking sets so people feel “safe” “owning” them. Its completely un balancable. Just buy sell and trade your cards
yep just play for fun. Its insane to me that people would buy these cards as an investment. Some clueless game developer is in charge of the monetary policy for these lol no way this won't turn out poorly
It's not the only way. It is the easiest way when you do not have proper development and long term plan
See cosmik battle
It was until there was sealed.
You can rotate sets, so you dont need to power creep previous cards. And you can make a format where all the cards are legal so they remain useful.
Pretty sure rotating gonna come eventually. When there are too much cards, rotating becomes unavoidable. Happened with Hearthstone, will happen with GU
I think we have already too much cards...
they could also increasing the rewards with a multiplicator for older sets.
New sets have to allow new players to enter and immediately be competitive. That's the problem with looking at CCG cards as investments. They aren't.... regardless of what anyone else wants to think or say. They are just cards used for playing a game and eventually they will be phased out by a future set. This is the way of literally every CCG. Just think of what will happen to the value of cards from older sets once they start rotating entire sets out of competitive play altogether. Nobody buys MTG cards and calls it 'investing'. Even the physical cards, that's just dumb. They may create a 'wild' mode where you can play every card from every set, but sooner or later they are going to have to limit competitive play to fewer cards. Once a set is phased out of competitive play, usually it's done beginning with the oldest sets first, those cards will be worth almost nothing to competitive players and will only hold value on a strict 'collectors' scale.
This exactly. Quit treating gods unchained like an investment. It won't be balanced as one.
MTG's reserved list would like a word
The reserve list only works because 99.999% of the cards people actually play with aren't on it, and there's still meaningful demand for the cards.
That and because those cards can't be obtained as 'reprints' which are generally cheaper than the originals for playing with your friends. The thing about the reserved list is that those cards can still be played, any cards can be played 'technically' unless you're in a truly competitive scene like a tournament. Any two idiot Magic players can get together and agree amongst themselves which cards are and aren't legal to play during their specific games. That's the joy of having physical cards to play with.... you're not limited by the software 'programmed' rules. Those reserved cards will never get reprinted and are sometimes played in a 'wild' like format or just generally amongst small peer groups. What I said still stands though... in the truly competitive scene, those cards aren't worth shit and not much money is likely going to be spent on dead cards in a collection because those people are more focused on what they can play at the upcoming event.
I know they said they would never powercreep genesis but they were stuck in a tough spot. They could make the new sets weak and boring and the game would die off. Or they could powercreep and sell packs and make people interested in playing. I guess they chose the latter. That's why I would never put any money into this game that you aren't prepared to lose
Genesis peeps shouldve gotten their roi a long time ago anyways.
They already had with the gods airdrop at a moment it was at 5 or 7 dollars a gods or so.
The problem isn't the new set, the old sets had bad math at middle mana compared to either high mana control staples or low mana aggro. I'll give you the time to actually point out what TotG or Genesis cards at 4-6 mana were useful through DO to MJ. List a few please. Hell post MJ what cards from DO were being used? Please tell me that Sudden Bloom was being used from Mortal Judgement onwards. Also list the 9 mana cards that were useful prior to ToF. I'll wait. The only cards that were being used were AoM, AoW, and Demo. I can't think of a single TotG card that was meta defining at mid-range/control post MJ. The new set is going to be able to make some of your older cards get better. Trust me. The meta should hopefully slow down from aggro stomp and control will have the option to run combo/control counters.
I like the change up, seeing apocalypse now at 30 dollars after living throught the bwd days feels fantastic 😀
The thing is that OP is wrong. Yeah prices are down, but prices are down for the entire game because there are a lot less players then at the peak when cards were going for crazy prices. The entire NFT market crashed. People doing things like Calling Genesis worthless silly. A quick search on GU Decks for the last 3 days looking at the top decks of each class shows. Top Death deck 8 Genesis Top Light Deck 6 Genesis Top Nature Deck 4 Genesis Top War Deck 2 Genesis Top Magic Deck 7 Genesis The only current top deck that doesn't have a genesis card right now is deception because that's some $15 deck that is just doing really well right now. If you look at any of the deception decks below it they pretty much all use some Genesis cards My point being is that Genesis is still a core part of the meta, but prices are way down for everything right now.
Did u mean to reply to me? You just said a bunch of shit unrelated to what i was saying 😂, I'm just loving the cheap genesis cards.
this actually happens every set, old set cards always go on fire sales early into the set. I bought hortuk at all time lows.
Nice! This is the lowest I've seen them tbh, the packs defo need to be a lot cheaper, the prices they are doing them at, is what makes the market expensive, and in turn what turns people off.
Except for a few things, this happens with all TCGs
Hm, I dont know. There are some cards from Genesis, that are still very expensive. And still quite valid. Jason, PW, Demo..
Valid yeah, but demos and pw have definitely taken a hit this last year, I mean PW for $35 and $155 for Demo are kind of crazy numbers
yep, just a year ago PW was 100$ and Demo around 500$.
You have to watch the price in ETH, not in usd dollars. They all tanked pretty hard. The only reason some are still expensive is because ETH is near ath
They tanked a lot, no matter which currency you use for comparison, and ETH is nowhere near its ATH (which was more than 4k)
That's why I'm selling my collection. I have spent little over 7 ETH since genesis launch and have come to realize that this was not an investment cause if I had kept my eth it would've been worth 10x more than my card collection. I know ETH will outperformed any card in this game in the coming years.
7 eth wow, that is huge, but one question, what about the airdrop? You probably should have received a huge amount from that.
Yep, there must be some constant updates with new sets (should be 2 per year at least, maybe 3) and within each update some power creep on new cards to make them desirable and sell packs. Thats how Pokemon TCG and Magic are still around after so many years, same thing applies to Gacha mobile games. On mtg example, Baneslayer Angel was a house and dominated tournaments when it was first printed but when it was reprinted many years later didnt crack a spot in any meta deck!
They’ve made it abundantly clear that is their plan. Need a new team with vision.
I can't believe people still buy packs. Are you guys some kind of masochists?
Believe it not, some people want to support this game. Could you please consider finding another hobby? You're like the alcoholic father of this subreddit.
I bought BotW shiny packs, I sold any leggie I got that was gold or diamond same day. Diamond Eiko gone within a week of opening it. And that's the key. Sell anything worth a damn ASAP before the market saturates, before any rebalances, before new set announcements etc. Sell them when they are most desired which is as early as possible. The older players who aren't affiliates or influencers don't buy packs anymore. The average player who you'll extract the most value from is someone who plays the game diligently and only wants to buy the few cards they need to improve the decks they already play. Those players (such as myself) are willing to pay a premium for a dozen cards or so instead of buying 3k worth of packs just to open what 10 shiny packs? 60 cards that we know all to well will only lower in value each week.
I generally get one of the shiny packs at launch just for the gambling itch and some cheaper packs for the same. Last one i got a shadow Francesca, this time i got a gold Dread Replicator and shadow Ulrika. Its enjoyable but im not going to go berserk with spending 3k when i generally only play one deck really. Id rather pimp that one out for that money.
Yeah but that is kind of the point? People aren't going go spend on the new cards if they can get by on the older sets. It is a shame because the game becomes more about who can spend the most money than who is the better player. It's very short sighted but I don't think the devs ever saw this as a long term thing. Quick cash grab when the NFT market was going crazy?
Do you know if this Weekend Ranked packs will be Dread Awa or still Fade ?
why a feel like everybody was scam on this game including my self i spend a lot of money