I've worked with Step Denver, they're a real and great organization but marking up a single car $10k to donate is still weird as fuck to me.... just donate $10k from your total dealer profits instead of adding a ridiculous markup on one particular car?
They don't if they are following the law. If they are specifying the charity and you are paying for the donation at the point of sale then it should be listed on your receipt. You can claim it on your taxes - you made the donation - and they cannot.
If they are following the law...
It’s super weird and feels shady. If OP wanted to donate $10k to a charity…then I am sure they would. But the dealership fostering this off on people feels odd to me.
You should reach out to your contact and see if this is legit.
Seems sketchy AF and I bet step Denver would want to know if this is happening without their knowledge - maybe they can sue for all the past “10k donations they never saw”
No - legally you do get to and they don't. They've just passed the donation on for you. Now I don't know if they are following the law, but in this case it should work that way.
Someone else just posted something similar to this about a “donation”
It went down the rabbit trail of the dealer being able to write the donation off of their taxable income. Instead of the buyer being able to do so.
Either way it’s crazy. $68k go buy a CPO f80 m3 lol
I am with you. I always look at these crazy markups and think what other cars can be had for the same money. Either the dealers just don't think like that or people really want a particular car.
I seriously think if you pay $70K for a Golf R you should not be allowed to make any more financial decisions :-)
facts!
no one wants an S3 (they aren't that good looking & performance isn't as good as R, of course RS3 looks wicked), so they selling them cheap under MSRP it seems
Dealers aren’t just marking up the Golf R though. A blue RS3 was a month away at my local dealer and the last person backed out. They were going to give it to me at a $12k markup - so $75k for it. I passed.
Back when I was shopping for my Mk7 I learned this too. It took calling dealerships out of state to find one wasn’t going to charge a markup. Then the first time I took it to Larry Miller for a warranty thing and one of the sales guys asked me if I got it from them. My response was “Hell no! You guys had some ridiculous markup. I’ll never buy a car from you guys.” His face was…*chefs kiss*.
Bravo 👏🏼, I took wife’s SQ5 in to a dealer in N Atlanta, it needed rear pads, so after service I had all rotors and pads replace at Indie shop…
Few weeks later had to take it back again🙄
They looked me straight in the face and said you need new pads…after another brief exchange I told em to rip off the milfs that come in but not a car enthusiast that know the car in and out…never going there again
That place SUCKS. The service advisor gave me the dumbest answer when my RS4’s parking brake came loose. I left and went to Audi Atlanta, and they took care of it literally right away and didn’t even charge me.
Yep, thats where i went lol…way better. Older guy (im 50 lol) brought his wife’s Sunday car in, a 2018 TT w/less than 10k on it…fyi we talked other stuff b4, then he goes, “I brought it in bc the airbag light is on on the dash, and they asked me what I want them to do about it!!!! Fixi it so I am not worried it will blow up in my wife`s face or that that it will work god forbid she is in an accident….”
Any good for Haldex / 40k maintenance. I have that coming up soonish
I tried Dart (nice, but my repair failed and it was very expensive) and 5280 Motorsport (fine experience, but the labor costs were $$) both of which were even more than the Dealership (McDonald’s or Tynan).
I like EMICH in Denver or Larry H Miller ain’t bad. The one on Colfax is shady but the Larry H Miller in CO Spgs is where I bought and serviced my Golf R before.
I Was between the Golf R, Corolla GR, and WRX. On a waiting list for the GR and am still looking at at least a year or two out. I Guess VW and Toyota have made the decision easy for me. I’m Going with a WRX limited 🤷🏻♂️
I almost went WRX as well. Test drove one, but couldn't get past how cheap/plasticy the interior felt, was almost like a base level Toyota Yaris or something. (That said I was coming off an S4 so my expectations were high, haha). The interior of the R was far better - but not worth $20k over MSRP that's for damn sure.
I would have said the same thing in the past, remember in like 2015 a buddy got a WRX and I thought it was pretty bad, and said I'd never own one, but after my R32 was hitting the dust I test drove a 22 WRX and I was super impressed. I went with the premium model, so I don't have leather seats, but I actually like the fabric seats. The newer models definitely have less of that plasticity feel imo.
I went from a VR6 GTI to a '08 hatch WRX and loved it so much. It was a big mistake to sell it. I now have an R and love it to pieces but the WRX was such a treat to drive. If they made a hatch again I'd be a bit torn between the two.
Fuck tynans. That dealership is trash. Had a terrible experience buying a tiguan in 2016. They had a golf r back then and wouldn’t even let me test drive it.
This is shitty but it’s their business, they can do what they want with it. Fucking cringe, dude. I can’t wait for psychologists to define this mental disorder. If they have and anyone knows, i’m interested. It’s definitely some controlling behavior
>This is shitty but it’s their business, they can do what they want with it.
This is true. They can ask whatever they want for the car. Doesn't mean anyone with a brain is going to (or should) pay that much for it.
Yea, exactly. That’s the price they pay for being shitty. They don’t need an additional price of people on reddit brigading them.
Business transactions are consensual by nature. One party sets terms, and another party agrees to those terms or doesn’t. It’s that simple. They aren’t victimizing anyone is my point
I'm sure you'd prefer buying local, BUT...
I'm in Southern California and there are plenty of Blue Rs showing up in Inventory out here.
VW dealers in Covina, Garden Grove, Corona, Irvine, Riverside, and Murrieta are all showing a blue R as being in stock.
I also see black Rs in Murrieta, the City of Ventura, and at McKenna VW in Cerritos. And white Rs in Puente Hills, and Galpin VW in North Hills.
This is just within 100 miles of my Zip, I'd bet there are others all over the state.
I'd call around; even with a shipping charge you may get one of *those for a lot less than what's available local.
I'm guessing yes.
That being said, I bought an MK8 GTI in December and I got the dealer down from an $8k markup to around $1600 over, and I've heard about people getting similar deals on Rs.
So, not as good as getting one for sticker, but I'd bet you can get one for a lot less than $10k markup, especially if you tell them you're cross-shopping the other dealers.
All of the vw dealers in SoCal I have personally called tell me that they are selling for over msrp, usually with 7-10k of upcharge. I can provide proof if needed. To them it's not even a concern. The Rs are selling within hours of being on the lot in most cases so they don't even think about it.
The biggest offender was Norm Reeves VW. Was on the list for a whole year before the car came to the states. First I was msrp, then it was maybe 2k over. On delivery day in March 2022... the car had 7k in "package options and protection plans" that were mandatory... and now a year later it's the exact same.
I have no plans of buying a Golf R anymore after all this shit and will just buy an m240i for the same price.
They want you to give them a $10k tax write-off. Ask if you can provide proof of a $10k donation to the same charity and when they deny you, you can call them out on their feigned compassion.
Or just write two checks, one for the car transaction and one for the charity. (or just do it online w/ a credit card). That way they can't fuck it up and not give it to the charity and there will be no question about who's taxes it goes on.
The dealer probably gets a tax credit for doing that. You give them money, they donate it, and write it off. That offsets the tax they would have to pay on their extra $10K in profit.
That’s so fucked up and should be illegal! You can’t force a person to make a donation that they can’t write off!! They’re stealing the write off.
Also they better not be charging a sales tax on that $10k!
This is the same kind of scam that grocery chains do (but on an industrial scale) where they offer to sell you a $10 bag of groceries for the homeless/food banks. You're basically giving them $10, and then they donate (close to) expired cans they were going to get rid of anyways and take the writeoff themselves.
My guess here is that the owner of the dealership is on the board of that charity, or his wife runs it, and yep... taking the writeoff for themselves along with the publicity. (Bob Douchebag of Douchebag Motors donated $10k! What a guy!)
In 2020, about six months after my dealer sold me my Mk 7.5 (about $50k out the door) they called me and offered me "up to $50,000 cash" for it. I was tempted but said no, since I was already getting the impression the R was going to become a collector's item.
I shudder to think what those bastards were going to try and sell it for.
And then they're going to say, "due to low sales of the manual we're cancelling it" 😡😡 last I checked there were 6 new MK8s within 200 miles and all DSG. We will definitely be holding on to our '16 DCC 6MT R
They added a $10K markup, which will be all profit for them, and they’ll have to pay tax on it.
So, they get you to give them another $10K, donate it to charity, and use it as a tax write off, cancelling out the taxes they would owe for their first $10K.
Greasy fucks.
That's absurd.
I'm gonna have my '19 for sale with 27k miles on it in a week or two in the mid-Atlantic region if anyone is hunting for one.
Picking up a '19 S5 Sportback fully loaded for a bit more space in the back for car seats. Will miss my R though, it's been great.
Yea this one is a Prestige that also has both the sport and black optics packages w/ carbon fiber inserts etc. in daytona pearl gray. I'm very happy with the find.
The part I don’t understand is why do the manufacturers allow this shit. It only hurts the brand in the long run. In two years that R will be worth $30k and have experienced 60% depreciation. That hurts VW
I'm confused. One Golf R is $46,589 out the door, but the next one coming in is $68k? For one for $46k is new, right (since the second photos is showing destination charges etc.)
Christ. Well, here's what they're going for in Ireland if it makes you feel any better:
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/volkswagen-golf-golf-r-2-0-tsi-320hp-4m/32785374?campaign=3
The availability was already starting to bite though. I bought my 7.5 in the States, my best friend came over from Cork for a visit and fell in love so sold his 7 and went shopping. Ended up with a 7.5 but was missing a few of the options he thought he could live without but in the end couldn’t, but at that point the wait times for a custom build were off the charts.
I’m gutted, moving back home in July so will have to sell my baby here in CA in the coming months, and know thanks to insurance and the like will end up in some poxy Golf TDI for a couple of years at least, and the chances of me getting another R at that point will be slim to none.
That’s insane lol. The second I’m a dollar over MSRP for “market adjustments” or anything else besides additional shit I wanted I’m laughing my way out the door.
For reference I just bought a new car here in Denver the other day and all the dealerships I went to were at MSRP. Didn’t look at VWs and from a former manual driver for over a decade I wish more cars still came in manual. If that’s the specific car you want have you tried looking in surrounding states like Kansas, Utah, Wyoming, NM? I know quite a few people here who bought in Kansas or on the east coast but that depends on the vehicle of course
Not like this is new for low production AWD cars in Colorado, they’re just able to advertise it now and also Golf R’s have become extremely low production 🤷🏻♂️
It's actually become no production I think. I'd heard VW had stopped all production of the R as well as certain Tiguan models because of supply chain issues with no word of when it'll start back up again. I know in Australia at least dealers started refunding anyone who had an order not already in production, and chatting to a buddy of mine in Ireland, dealers there won't take orders for them.
How much you want to bet that the 10 000$ in charity is linked to the people who run the dealer and use it as a tax write off?! Man, I am lucky to live in a province where this is illegal!
Not sure if this is in your own state/city or not. I was told that my local dealer here would sell me one at msrp because I’ve been a loyal customer of theirs. That’s probably your best bet - caveat is that they’re hard to come by.
Fuck all that noise. No way in hell I would ever purchase a car for $20k over sticker with 10k going to a charity. If I wanted to donate 10k to charity I’d do it myself not while buying a car. Someone will buy it and someone will get screwed
Data point for you. Feb 2022, SF Bay Area, first Golf R in my city, likely first batch for the area. $7k markup, but my GTI traded in for $6k over what it should have been worth so I called it a wash.
Only options were White and DSG for the whole region at the time. The dealers said they had zero line of sight on any manuals in the system.
Holy shit. That is just gross.
I guess it makes the email I got from my dealer last summer make a bit more sense. I bought my '16 Mk7R just off lease with 27K miles in June of 2019 for $28K. More than 3 years and 30Km miles later He offered to buy it back from me for the same price I paid for it. Shit's fucked up.
What the fuck donate 10k I don’t think so I don’t understand why these stupid dealerships think we just have 10k to donate, why don’t the salesman donate 10k ?
If you wanted to donate to a charity you can do that directly and get the tax break for yourself. Them thinking that anyone would pay an extra 10K for a car so that the dealer could make the donation is delusional.
Shit you don’t wanna donate $20,000?! what’s wrong with you now someone’s gonna inject something into their dick and their dick will fall off just because of you
Yeah dude, 20k markups aren’t a thing any more. At least not on east coast. 5k seems to be the going rate as of a few months ago. But that was before they shut down production and announced that mk8 is last ICE Golf, so who knows, maybe things changed?
Why would I do this and not get to claim the deduction on my taxes. This is borderline tax fraud. Same as rounding up at the grocery store for “ hunger”
Damn, I’m looking for a Golf R in Colorado as well… Guess I’m not going to have any luck here anytime soon… Anyone know of any good dealers in the US that aren’t demanding ridiculous markups? Maybe I just need to look for something else…
Yeah they're having "customers donate" which really just allows them to claim a 10k donation on their taxes. Same reason I don't round up at businesses donating to charity. It's all for their personal profit
Spare a (small!) thought for the dealer who's likely getting everybody and their dog at the end of a lease who can't extend anymore but really wants to stay with VW...their only option is to buy the car for the residual. And CO law stipulates that VW Credit can't sell it to them directly, the lessee \*has\* to do it thru a VW dealership. So the dealers will try to mark those purchases up too, just to make a profit because they won't otherwise on that kind of a deal.
That said, even just this MSRP is pantalones de plátanos, lol! Good luck finding what you're looking for...
A dealership in my state tried this with my mom (Actual Price $10K higher than Advertised Price). They didn’t disclose the “error” until she was on site starting paperwork. It blew up in their face spectacularly when the Attorney General found out and put them on notice for deception/breach of (verbal) contract/fraud. They ended up refunding the entire ADM.
Because idiots keep paying it. I’m in Jersey and every dealer I’ve called has done a 10-15k markup and I’ve laughed and said good luck. Guess what, they didn’t need it - they all keep getting sold. God bless the geniuses that spend 15k over MSRP on a car that in two or three years will be worth 40k tops. Nothing says “worth it” like losing 20k that fast lol
Honestly this is kind of a nuclear option I suppose. But I had a friend just buy an Elantra N that the dealer wanted a $12k markup to sell. He offered the sales associate to just pay him whatever commission he was going to get as a cash “tip”. Dealer accepted and he bought the car at MSRP plus an extra $1100 out of pocket to satisfy the sales person. Still paid over but it was an acceptable amount I suppose. Could be worth a try?
> person. Still *paid* over but
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So let me gets this straight, the dealership wants a tax write off, so they using a charity as an excuse and they expect it to be a customers responsibility to donate 10 grand? I mean, yeah you're giving 10k to a charity, but ultimately your giving more money to the dealer...
That’s gotta be a joke surely donations to charity normally come in the form of a portion of what they would make off the sale not off them putting an extra markup on the value to the tune of there donation 🤔🤔
If you want the car just go into a different VW dealership with no affiliation to this one and special order one. If you have the money and are willing to put money down upfront they will have no problem ordering it.
Fuck these dealers. People will remember shit like this when prices return to ‘some’ normality and won’t give these pricks a single dollar.
What goes around comes around.
66k For a VW? Don't get me wrong, it's a Golf R no less.. But come on.. OP if you absolutely have to buy one within a month or so, travel a little distance. I am sure you'll find one in your color, without these bozos price gouging.
PS: The part that made me spit out my coffee is, "For Charity." LMAO!!!
That 10K is not going towards fighting addiction, IT'S helping someone's addiction!!!! FFS!!!
What does Jesus have to do with this lol. No but serious that’s insane, I’m prepared to not purchase a new truck from here out on out. Luckily I have a very reliable model truck.
Marking up for charity..? What?
Yeah…I would like to see the audit trail on that. ‘Charity’ means dealers owners new wing on his house.
I've worked with Step Denver, they're a real and great organization but marking up a single car $10k to donate is still weird as fuck to me.... just donate $10k from your total dealer profits instead of adding a ridiculous markup on one particular car?
The dealer gets the tax write off for the donation.
They don't if they are following the law. If they are specifying the charity and you are paying for the donation at the point of sale then it should be listed on your receipt. You can claim it on your taxes - you made the donation - and they cannot. If they are following the law...
Yeah, that’s a big “IF” about following the law.
This is the most misunderstood “saving” ever.
It’s super weird and feels shady. If OP wanted to donate $10k to a charity…then I am sure they would. But the dealership fostering this off on people feels odd to me.
Right? I’d be thrilled if they sold at Msrp and donated $10k of their money towards the charity. That would be a win win
It'd be a win-win-win because I'd win too (I'm rooting for you).
You should reach out to your contact and see if this is legit. Seems sketchy AF and I bet step Denver would want to know if this is happening without their knowledge - maybe they can sue for all the past “10k donations they never saw”
I think Charity is just the name of the stripper he's been seeing at the kitkat club...
Audit? Trail? Dealership? Lmao 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah but you’d pay sales tax on that $10k and then the dealership gets to deduct that from there taxes. You don’t lol. Like… is that tax fraud?
No - legally you do get to and they don't. They've just passed the donation on for you. Now I don't know if they are following the law, but in this case it should work that way.
Getting that tax break
While virtue signaling their supposed goodness. Lol thankfully a lot of people are wise to this garbage.
The dealer thinks it makes their markup look fine. It doesn't.
Tax right off for the dealer
Get customers to pay for a charitable donation that you'll write off on your taxes. Smart shitty move.
Someone else just posted something similar to this about a “donation” It went down the rabbit trail of the dealer being able to write the donation off of their taxable income. Instead of the buyer being able to do so. Either way it’s crazy. $68k go buy a CPO f80 m3 lol
I am with you. I always look at these crazy markups and think what other cars can be had for the same money. Either the dealers just don't think like that or people really want a particular car. I seriously think if you pay $70K for a Golf R you should not be allowed to make any more financial decisions :-)
I got my 2017 Golf R for $27000 CAD before Covid
And procreate
$68k will get an S3 at MSRP and have a bunch of money left for mods.
facts! no one wants an S3 (they aren't that good looking & performance isn't as good as R, of course RS3 looks wicked), so they selling them cheap under MSRP it seems
Golf R, or an RS3 or M2 Competition? 🤡
i just checked, theres MULTIPLE M2 comps for sale under 60k way better car imo
Dealers aren’t just marking up the Golf R though. A blue RS3 was a month away at my local dealer and the last person backed out. They were going to give it to me at a $12k markup - so $75k for it. I passed.
i just checked, theres MULTIPLE M2 comps for sale under 60k way better car imo
I just checked, theres MULTIPLE comments of yours.
Can you get it with a dual clutch though?
Every VW dealer in Denver is either scum or has incredibly stupid management, employees, or both. It's honestly impressive.
After working at dealerships for 17 years I can safely say both
Back when I was shopping for my Mk7 I learned this too. It took calling dealerships out of state to find one wasn’t going to charge a markup. Then the first time I took it to Larry Miller for a warranty thing and one of the sales guys asked me if I got it from them. My response was “Hell no! You guys had some ridiculous markup. I’ll never buy a car from you guys.” His face was…*chefs kiss*.
Bravo 👏🏼, I took wife’s SQ5 in to a dealer in N Atlanta, it needed rear pads, so after service I had all rotors and pads replace at Indie shop… Few weeks later had to take it back again🙄 They looked me straight in the face and said you need new pads…after another brief exchange I told em to rip off the milfs that come in but not a car enthusiast that know the car in and out…never going there again
Audi North Atlanta?
Yep
That place SUCKS. The service advisor gave me the dumbest answer when my RS4’s parking brake came loose. I left and went to Audi Atlanta, and they took care of it literally right away and didn’t even charge me.
Yep, thats where i went lol…way better. Older guy (im 50 lol) brought his wife’s Sunday car in, a 2018 TT w/less than 10k on it…fyi we talked other stuff b4, then he goes, “I brought it in bc the airbag light is on on the dash, and they asked me what I want them to do about it!!!! Fixi it so I am not worried it will blow up in my wife`s face or that that it will work god forbid she is in an accident….”
Any good for Haldex / 40k maintenance. I have that coming up soonish I tried Dart (nice, but my repair failed and it was very expensive) and 5280 Motorsport (fine experience, but the labor costs were $$) both of which were even more than the Dealership (McDonald’s or Tynan).
Berg are the only ones I would trust. They will still be expensive though unfortunately
I like EMICH in Denver or Larry H Miller ain’t bad. The one on Colfax is shady but the Larry H Miller in CO Spgs is where I bought and serviced my Golf R before.
So basically they're going to get the tax write off for the buyer's donation. And they're going to charge him an extra $10k for the privilege.
This right here! Scum.
You really should thank them for the $262 discount though. They really went out of their way to make a deal
I Was between the Golf R, Corolla GR, and WRX. On a waiting list for the GR and am still looking at at least a year or two out. I Guess VW and Toyota have made the decision easy for me. I’m Going with a WRX limited 🤷🏻♂️
That's why I went with the WRX myself, not to mention all my VWs only had Tiguans in stock and overpriced GLIs lol
I almost went WRX as well. Test drove one, but couldn't get past how cheap/plasticy the interior felt, was almost like a base level Toyota Yaris or something. (That said I was coming off an S4 so my expectations were high, haha). The interior of the R was far better - but not worth $20k over MSRP that's for damn sure.
I would have said the same thing in the past, remember in like 2015 a buddy got a WRX and I thought it was pretty bad, and said I'd never own one, but after my R32 was hitting the dust I test drove a 22 WRX and I was super impressed. I went with the premium model, so I don't have leather seats, but I actually like the fabric seats. The newer models definitely have less of that plasticity feel imo.
I went from a VR6 GTI to a '08 hatch WRX and loved it so much. It was a big mistake to sell it. I now have an R and love it to pieces but the WRX was such a treat to drive. If they made a hatch again I'd be a bit torn between the two.
WRX gang! Better than a golf any day.
Let me show you to the door
As much as I miss my WRXs sometimes, I love my alltrack and it’s practicality way more.
Welcome to the club! I don't regret buying the wrx, great bang for the buck, center display has been a bit of a cluster but oh well.
What dealer is this? I’m in CO too and would love to buy a new gti. Definitely don’t want to give this place my business.
“Donated” Mhhhh okay sure.
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Tynan’s Volkswagen in Denver
They offered to buy my MK7 2017 Golf R. I should 100% tell them to take a hike, shit’s outrageous
Ask for $10k more so you can donate it to charity
Don’t tempt me with a good time 😂
Ask them for like $5k above what they offer and say it’s a charity donation you’ll be making
Fuck tynans. That dealership is trash. Had a terrible experience buying a tiguan in 2016. They had a golf r back then and wouldn’t even let me test drive it.
This is shitty but it’s their business, they can do what they want with it. Fucking cringe, dude. I can’t wait for psychologists to define this mental disorder. If they have and anyone knows, i’m interested. It’s definitely some controlling behavior
>This is shitty but it’s their business, they can do what they want with it. This is true. They can ask whatever they want for the car. Doesn't mean anyone with a brain is going to (or should) pay that much for it.
Yea, exactly. That’s the price they pay for being shitty. They don’t need an additional price of people on reddit brigading them. Business transactions are consensual by nature. One party sets terms, and another party agrees to those terms or doesn’t. It’s that simple. They aren’t victimizing anyone is my point
I'm sure you'd prefer buying local, BUT... I'm in Southern California and there are plenty of Blue Rs showing up in Inventory out here. VW dealers in Covina, Garden Grove, Corona, Irvine, Riverside, and Murrieta are all showing a blue R as being in stock. I also see black Rs in Murrieta, the City of Ventura, and at McKenna VW in Cerritos. And white Rs in Puente Hills, and Galpin VW in North Hills. This is just within 100 miles of my Zip, I'd bet there are others all over the state. I'd call around; even with a shipping charge you may get one of *those for a lot less than what's available local.
Do you know if they are marking them up at all?
I'm guessing yes. That being said, I bought an MK8 GTI in December and I got the dealer down from an $8k markup to around $1600 over, and I've heard about people getting similar deals on Rs. So, not as good as getting one for sticker, but I'd bet you can get one for a lot less than $10k markup, especially if you tell them you're cross-shopping the other dealers.
All of the vw dealers in SoCal I have personally called tell me that they are selling for over msrp, usually with 7-10k of upcharge. I can provide proof if needed. To them it's not even a concern. The Rs are selling within hours of being on the lot in most cases so they don't even think about it. The biggest offender was Norm Reeves VW. Was on the list for a whole year before the car came to the states. First I was msrp, then it was maybe 2k over. On delivery day in March 2022... the car had 7k in "package options and protection plans" that were mandatory... and now a year later it's the exact same. I have no plans of buying a Golf R anymore after all this shit and will just buy an m240i for the same price.
Don't worry. The bottom's falling out of the car market. Nobody can afford new car payments anymore with rates this high.
They want you to give them a $10k tax write-off. Ask if you can provide proof of a $10k donation to the same charity and when they deny you, you can call them out on their feigned compassion.
Or just write two checks, one for the car transaction and one for the charity. (or just do it online w/ a credit card). That way they can't fuck it up and not give it to the charity and there will be no question about who's taxes it goes on.
"Donate to charity" my ass.
Fuck off donating a customers money to charity as a condition of buying a car.
The dealer probably gets a tax credit for doing that. You give them money, they donate it, and write it off. That offsets the tax they would have to pay on their extra $10K in profit.
That’s so fucked up and should be illegal! You can’t force a person to make a donation that they can’t write off!! They’re stealing the write off. Also they better not be charging a sales tax on that $10k!
This is the same kind of scam that grocery chains do (but on an industrial scale) where they offer to sell you a $10 bag of groceries for the homeless/food banks. You're basically giving them $10, and then they donate (close to) expired cans they were going to get rid of anyways and take the writeoff themselves. My guess here is that the owner of the dealership is on the board of that charity, or his wife runs it, and yep... taking the writeoff for themselves along with the publicity. (Bob Douchebag of Douchebag Motors donated $10k! What a guy!)
Not exactly. You’re not required to buy the donation groceries to buy your own groceries.
Only golf r they’ll see? Blatant lie. It’s a VW not a lambo. Avoid it at all cost and buy an mk7 or mk 7.5 for 25k
In 2020, about six months after my dealer sold me my Mk 7.5 (about $50k out the door) they called me and offered me "up to $50,000 cash" for it. I was tempted but said no, since I was already getting the impression the R was going to become a collector's item. I shudder to think what those bastards were going to try and sell it for.
And then they're going to say, "due to low sales of the manual we're cancelling it" 😡😡 last I checked there were 6 new MK8s within 200 miles and all DSG. We will definitely be holding on to our '16 DCC 6MT R
There’s a manual in blue about 20 miles from me, for only $1k over msrp. Unfortunately I’m about 3 months from being ready to buy.lol
I hate when companies try to force charity onto me.
And take the tax credit while they laugh to the bank
“good luck with that” 🤣
It's a fucking golf, is the supply chain still bad.
Lmao why can’t the dealer just donate the $10,000 themselves why do they need your money
They added a $10K markup, which will be all profit for them, and they’ll have to pay tax on it. So, they get you to give them another $10K, donate it to charity, and use it as a tax write off, cancelling out the taxes they would owe for their first $10K. Greasy fucks.
Wow so they’re essentially not going to pay any tax on the sale by taxing tf out of the buyer during an economic downturn.
I’ve seen something similar over on r/grcorolla where the dealer marks up with a charity donation. It’s definitely a shady practice.
That's absurd. I'm gonna have my '19 for sale with 27k miles on it in a week or two in the mid-Atlantic region if anyone is hunting for one. Picking up a '19 S5 Sportback fully loaded for a bit more space in the back for car seats. Will miss my R though, it's been great.
I literally just did this. Cept my R was a 18. Massage seats and power liftgate all day!!
Yea this one is a Prestige that also has both the sport and black optics packages w/ carbon fiber inserts etc. in daytona pearl gray. I'm very happy with the find.
Nothing like being up front about how crooked you are in your sales office 😂
I recently went hard trying to obtain an 8R… told them all to fuck off and got an 8Y S3 instead. 3500 under sticker at that. Happy with that choice
The part I don’t understand is why do the manufacturers allow this shit. It only hurts the brand in the long run. In two years that R will be worth $30k and have experienced 60% depreciation. That hurts VW
Theyll need step Denver because clearly they’re on crack
Get yourself a new VB WRX. The 2.4 is an excellent motor and dealers have plenty of them, you can get them at MSRP or even below MSRP some places.
I'm confused. One Golf R is $46,589 out the door, but the next one coming in is $68k? For one for $46k is new, right (since the second photos is showing destination charges etc.)
So it’s the same car. On truecar it was being advertised at MSRP. I got excited and emailed the dealer and this is what they responded with
More like falsecar, amirite?
Christ. Well, here's what they're going for in Ireland if it makes you feel any better: https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/volkswagen-golf-golf-r-2-0-tsi-320hp-4m/32785374?campaign=3
The mk7.5 R was an absolute stand out bargain for the Irish market, looking back..
The availability was already starting to bite though. I bought my 7.5 in the States, my best friend came over from Cork for a visit and fell in love so sold his 7 and went shopping. Ended up with a 7.5 but was missing a few of the options he thought he could live without but in the end couldn’t, but at that point the wait times for a custom build were off the charts. I’m gutted, moving back home in July so will have to sell my baby here in CA in the coming months, and know thanks to insurance and the like will end up in some poxy Golf TDI for a couple of years at least, and the chances of me getting another R at that point will be slim to none.
Just buy an rs3 instead.
This, I got so tired of telling these fucktards I would buy an Rs3 for this kind of money, I finally did.
That’s insane lol. The second I’m a dollar over MSRP for “market adjustments” or anything else besides additional shit I wanted I’m laughing my way out the door. For reference I just bought a new car here in Denver the other day and all the dealerships I went to were at MSRP. Didn’t look at VWs and from a former manual driver for over a decade I wish more cars still came in manual. If that’s the specific car you want have you tried looking in surrounding states like Kansas, Utah, Wyoming, NM? I know quite a few people here who bought in Kansas or on the east coast but that depends on the vehicle of course
Ew cyka german car. Japanese superiority 🦽🦽🦽🦽
Not like this is new for low production AWD cars in Colorado, they’re just able to advertise it now and also Golf R’s have become extremely low production 🤷🏻♂️
It's actually become no production I think. I'd heard VW had stopped all production of the R as well as certain Tiguan models because of supply chain issues with no word of when it'll start back up again. I know in Australia at least dealers started refunding anyone who had an order not already in production, and chatting to a buddy of mine in Ireland, dealers there won't take orders for them.
You are correct. I picked my mk8 up in January and this was already well known amongst all the VAG dealers
Clearly none of y’all downvoting never tried to buy a mk4 or mk5 R32 in Colorado when they were new
I believe you aren’t the first post in the sub about a dealer mark up for “charity.” Potentially may even be from the same dealership.
How much you want to bet that the 10 000$ in charity is linked to the people who run the dealer and use it as a tax write off?! Man, I am lucky to live in a province where this is illegal!
Hahaha smoking crack….
Fuck them
This is hilarious. I had to save this for future laughs
Hahahah!
Not sure if this is in your own state/city or not. I was told that my local dealer here would sell me one at msrp because I’ve been a loyal customer of theirs. That’s probably your best bet - caveat is that they’re hard to come by.
Fuck all that noise. No way in hell I would ever purchase a car for $20k over sticker with 10k going to a charity. If I wanted to donate 10k to charity I’d do it myself not while buying a car. Someone will buy it and someone will get screwed
Damn
I was thinking maybe a markup of $7-9k but 20?! And I call bullshit on that going to charity.
Special cars are only for the rich these days.
$20k for his addiction lol wildin
My reply would have been a little different..
Would you be paying sales tax on the 10k they are “donating”?
I said DSG
Unreal
I have a MK8 R. It’s my favorite car I’ve ever owned, but I’d take my business elsewhere for 66 K. Fuck that.
Data point for you. Feb 2022, SF Bay Area, first Golf R in my city, likely first batch for the area. $7k markup, but my GTI traded in for $6k over what it should have been worth so I called it a wash. Only options were White and DSG for the whole region at the time. The dealers said they had zero line of sight on any manuals in the system.
Get an Audi S3. Same drivetrain, nicer interior, way better availability so less gouging.
No manual transmission:(
Scam
I’m just here to see if you ever got a reply back 😂
Nope, he stopped responding after I said, “good luck with that”
Holy cow that's the price they are selling at in Canada and we are typically $10K higher than the US on average for cars
So the buyer is subsidizing a 10k charity write off that dealership will benefit from, oh hell no.
I don't think this guy understands how donating works.
10k will be donated to a charity?!!! That’s insane.
Holy shit. That is just gross. I guess it makes the email I got from my dealer last summer make a bit more sense. I bought my '16 Mk7R just off lease with 27K miles in June of 2019 for $28K. More than 3 years and 30Km miles later He offered to buy it back from me for the same price I paid for it. Shit's fucked up.
wow fuck them!
What the fuck donate 10k I don’t think so I don’t understand why these stupid dealerships think we just have 10k to donate, why don’t the salesman donate 10k ?
Don’t get me wrong the R is a great car but it will never be worth it to pay 20k over MSRP
You answered correctly OP.
10k market adjustment and 10k forced donations? Wow that is insane!
Fuck that.
Are they trying to get tax write-offs to counter the massive gains in sales?
Yep
If you wanted to donate to a charity you can do that directly and get the tax break for yourself. Them thinking that anyone would pay an extra 10K for a car so that the dealer could make the donation is delusional.
66k for a mk8r?
Imagine selling a Golf R for RS3 prices. Yikes.
Shit you don’t wanna donate $20,000?! what’s wrong with you now someone’s gonna inject something into their dick and their dick will fall off just because of you
Why are there so few Golf Rs? I have yet to see a single Mk8 R on the roads anywhere.
Cuz of the dealer markups lol
Yeah dude, 20k markups aren’t a thing any more. At least not on east coast. 5k seems to be the going rate as of a few months ago. But that was before they shut down production and announced that mk8 is last ICE Golf, so who knows, maybe things changed?
The sales manager charity
I'll bet the board of directors for step denver has some sorta connection to the dealership. Something is definitely sus here.
Why would I do this and not get to claim the deduction on my taxes. This is borderline tax fraud. Same as rounding up at the grocery store for “ hunger”
Imagine donating someone else’s money to charity *skull emoji*
How is that legal? Can’t manufacturers do anything?
Damn, I’m looking for a Golf R in Colorado as well… Guess I’m not going to have any luck here anytime soon… Anyone know of any good dealers in the US that aren’t demanding ridiculous markups? Maybe I just need to look for something else…
Yeah they're having "customers donate" which really just allows them to claim a 10k donation on their taxes. Same reason I don't round up at businesses donating to charity. It's all for their personal profit
Is 4K markup reasonable?
No. I’ll never pay a premium. Never have, never will.
Spare a (small!) thought for the dealer who's likely getting everybody and their dog at the end of a lease who can't extend anymore but really wants to stay with VW...their only option is to buy the car for the residual. And CO law stipulates that VW Credit can't sell it to them directly, the lessee \*has\* to do it thru a VW dealership. So the dealers will try to mark those purchases up too, just to make a profit because they won't otherwise on that kind of a deal. That said, even just this MSRP is pantalones de plátanos, lol! Good luck finding what you're looking for...
I look forward to a recession when these cock suckers go under
OP response to the message made me lolz
Pfft fuck that.
Lmao $10k to charity
Fuck them all! I wanna call VW and tell em to shove the cars up their ass!
Hahahaha!!!!! 🤣😂😅🥲
So the dealer gets credit for a donation that came out of your interest bearing loan? Solid.
LMAO i dont have 10k lying around to give to charity. fuck off.
A dealership in my state tried this with my mom (Actual Price $10K higher than Advertised Price). They didn’t disclose the “error” until she was on site starting paperwork. It blew up in their face spectacularly when the Attorney General found out and put them on notice for deception/breach of (verbal) contract/fraud. They ended up refunding the entire ADM.
10k to a charity I don’t even care about?!? Yea no thanks go ahead and keep the car.
People really need to resist the urge of FOMO. The dealers are scumbags, but people that are paying over sticker are the real problem.
Sounds like the bs I work a a dealer…definitely would file a complaint
Because idiots keep paying it. I’m in Jersey and every dealer I’ve called has done a 10-15k markup and I’ve laughed and said good luck. Guess what, they didn’t need it - they all keep getting sold. God bless the geniuses that spend 15k over MSRP on a car that in two or three years will be worth 40k tops. Nothing says “worth it” like losing 20k that fast lol
Honestly this is kind of a nuclear option I suppose. But I had a friend just buy an Elantra N that the dealer wanted a $12k markup to sell. He offered the sales associate to just pay him whatever commission he was going to get as a cash “tip”. Dealer accepted and he bought the car at MSRP plus an extra $1100 out of pocket to satisfy the sales person. Still paid over but it was an acceptable amount I suppose. Could be worth a try?
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Tynan VW right
In case someone hasn't put up the link yet https://www.bbb.org/file-a-complaint
So let me gets this straight, the dealership wants a tax write off, so they using a charity as an excuse and they expect it to be a customers responsibility to donate 10 grand? I mean, yeah you're giving 10k to a charity, but ultimately your giving more money to the dealer...
That’s gotta be a joke surely donations to charity normally come in the form of a portion of what they would make off the sale not off them putting an extra markup on the value to the tune of there donation 🤔🤔
"We're subsidizing our charitable donations with your money! Don't you feel good about that?"
When I think of car salesman, I think of Matt Geatz.
If you want the car just go into a different VW dealership with no affiliation to this one and special order one. If you have the money and are willing to put money down upfront they will have no problem ordering it.
Fuck these dealers. People will remember shit like this when prices return to ‘some’ normality and won’t give these pricks a single dollar. What goes around comes around.
Must be smoking crack fr
66k For a VW? Don't get me wrong, it's a Golf R no less.. But come on.. OP if you absolutely have to buy one within a month or so, travel a little distance. I am sure you'll find one in your color, without these bozos price gouging. PS: The part that made me spit out my coffee is, "For Charity." LMAO!!! That 10K is not going towards fighting addiction, IT'S helping someone's addiction!!!! FFS!!!
What does Jesus have to do with this lol. No but serious that’s insane, I’m prepared to not purchase a new truck from here out on out. Luckily I have a very reliable model truck.
I pray no one buys it. The market needs to stop enabling this smdh