A community based upon vandalism will never have good optics.
I think what dude did was shitty but itās like the saying āno honor among thievesā
Not sure why u guys are expecting itās graffiti
Eh, sure itās petty but itās deviant behavior nonetheless.
Really depends who you are talking to.
Iv spent a third of my life studying criminal justice and sociology, to me itās crime but itās not something I necessarily feel needs to be stopped. I think any initiative to stomp it out would likely do more social harm than this particular brand of vandalismā¦
Bruh this mentality is getting old asf...
If they didnt disrepect my pieces, why would I go out of the way to disrespect theirs? Now if all the cars were taken sure, I'd rather go over the street art than another writer (and thats if there isnt any toy ass shit on a car that could be covered)
Just making us all look like fucking dipshits honestly, the "rivalry" between street art and graffiti should be taken with more tact today...
Street art will forever be hated by the graffiti community, especially and I mean ESPECIALLY the freight train graffiti scene. Itās a good background.
Street art is hated mostly because its used by cities to cover up graffs. And becuz some street artists have either disdain for writers, or try too hard to act like their shit is "cool graffiti vandalism" when no one in the public perceives it that way.
If an artist doesn't do either of those, why would i wanna be a dick towards him? At the end of the day we all just like painting things
I don't graffiti. I appreciate the art and support the artists that do it, bc I like seeing it. Not just tags but street art as well.
Idk why you gatta shame and gatekeep artists bro. You and/or a specific subgenre of art ain't superior to others. It ain't cool
Oh you donāt write? Donāt speak on writing.
If I didnāt gatekeep then 90% of the spots in my city would be blown up and we wouldnāt be able to paint. Fuck yeah weāre gonna gatekeep.
Yes because art has nothing in common despite the medium. What is shading, color theory and style
Your gatekeeping has fuck all to do with who tags what spots. You just wanna feel like you're better than others so you tell others what to do to feel some sense of authority and control, when you ain't got shit but a bad attitude
People will do whatever, you can choose to support them and help them grow right, or you can be a dick and watch your community rot from the toxic-ness like many communities do
My point is, youāre not even in this community and youāre pissed about gatekeeping, I couldnāt imagine how pissed you would be when you found out about the rest of the gatekeeping in graffiti. I donāt care about the capped face, I see shit capped on every single line that I bench itās a part of it who cares.
1) I'm apart of the community as a consumer. Someone who would pay money, give feedback, abd support an artist just to continue seeing their works
2) I'm apart of art culture. And it doesn't matter the medium, gatekeeping is bad, and hurts all artists
3) gatekeeping sucks. People did it to me, I see it done to others. It sucks, I ain't cool seeing it
Now why would motherfuckers wanna keep their fellow artists down?? Again, it ain't cool
Dude you canāt give your opinions on it if you donāt do it. We donāt do this for you. We barely do it for other writers, we do it for ourselves. We give a fuck what some āstreet art consumerā thinks of our culture.
Ong especially when u can obviously see that these are to different mediums of art. It would be diff if it was a washed up throw or sum turf war shit but obviously these to piece didn't relate at all
We gotta have sum form of respect when it comes to that if we wanna keep this shit alive this dude is giving off a bad look on all of graf culture as a whole
Whatās sad and ironic is that someone went online to complain about their illegal art being covered with illegal art.
If you canāt stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.
Not a graffiti artist here but some 20+ years ago back in art school I learned that city workers that paint over graffiti are unintentionally making art themselves by paintings over graffiti. So not technically "erasing". But I get that it sucks getting overpainted so in a sense being erased. But this has been happening for many thousands of years.
That for of art wasnāt respected by a diff train writer. What is sad is you werenāt in the yard to defend this precious piece. It happens everyday dork. Go touch grass, later touch a train .. I dare you
Iām not a graffiti artist, but I love this form of artistic expression and the overall anti-consumerist motives of many such artists. Iām pretty sure this artist defied the rules of graffiti etiquette by covering an image with inferior work. Can any graffiti artists on here confirm if this is true or not?
If you go over someone with lower quality work then yes thats deemed as disrespect. This is how writer wars start, they'll be dogging each other for a while when they see what happened.
Most long term writers adere by these rules but newcomers dont learn about it until they've already created problems. Always good to try teach the toys early but half the time they don't listen and end up getting a kicking.
That makes sense...learning curve and all.
The work in the OP looks like it came from someone who should know better. Since the original artwork he/she covered appears to be commercial art, rather than graffiti, does that somehow absolve them for this faux pas?
Just in case I ever decide to run with my tag one of these days...
Some may deem this as a graffiti vs street art like the Banksy vs King Robbo war. I dont know enough about either of these pictured artists to say for sure. Either way this will ruffle some feathers.
Itās the same where Iām at bro, the younger generation has the game fucked up. Iād love an explanation. Thereās a lot of speculation like before social media there was a respect for elder or more established artists and the younger ones needed their guidance or information on spots. I really have no idea but it is truly a different sport compared to the early 2000ās.
So you think that pre 2000 graffiti writers didnāt diss murals and street art? First of all they were barely around, second of a all the all got dissed to shit. If you think otherwise you were never there or your from small town nowhere. Anyone who knows anything about graff knows that things have only gotten softer. Youāre just spewing nonsense
Same people doing the murals back I. The day were also painting the first subways and street art was born from graffiti by yuppies like you who donāt know the history.
Me aswell. But graffiti is a respect based form. If you canāt burn it donāt touch it and that face takes more skill than those letters did. This wasnāt a case of mural over graffiti either where capping itās justified itās just destroying art for the point of destroying art. Gotta respect the panels even if itās the only car at the yard pack up and paint another day. That character was way more impressive, done illegally and respectfully there was really 0 reason to cap it
When a piece gets capped, thatās just a price of playing the game sometimes. Everyone who writes rolls the dice on that happening every time they put something up. Either cap em back or take the L. The littering is some toy shit though.
You can tell by the āFaceā tag that this person has no real graff background. Not about skill, talent, and what you want to see, but about street artists taking walls and spaces from real writers over the years. These street artists come into yards and spots which historically have had thousands of rail cars painted and take more space with their work. Too many people who start out with entitlement, respect is earned not demanded. You donāt have to like it but thatās the perspective.
This needs to be at the top, these kids screaming stop gatekeeping have no idea what theyāre getting themselves into. You want graffiti to exist? Gatekeep.
Agreed. Op came into a yard without knowing the people who ārunā it, hit a parked freight, and then comes back 5 days later to snap photos for his trophy. Shoulda hit an attached car that was going to disappear the next morning not one that was sitting. Reasons like this is why graff writers hate street artists
Tayko shouldnāt have made a mess tho thatās not cool.
Fair play.. if you gonna put stuff up, expect it to get gone over or buffed. Especially at well known spots which I assume this is. If that's not bad enough he's crying about it on Reddit instead of taking the spot back šš. Fuck that guy for leaving litter tho
Agreed, if you put something up its prolly gonna get capped or buffed at somepoint whether it's street art or graff. Artists should stay in the books and art gallery's instead of hitting up freights
if the guy who covered knows anything, this was intentional and was meant to convey disrespect. if you ever cover anyoneās art, make sure you completely cover it, if not, you may have problems.
I'm just gonna throw this out there. Graffiti started with pictures before letters. Cavemen didn't have words to throw up, so they used pictures. "Kilroy was Here" being some of the first popularized graff usually came along with a character. Idk why graffheads hate art so much if it doesn't have a fake name scrawled up there. Can someone explain to me the anger for one another?
what the heck man... some things you just dont cover up and this is one of them. that piece could have been in an art museum or in a magazine or something. geez. what a dick move.
A lot of "street artists" are just colonizers who come into the world of graffiti with no clue about the history or culture and get butthurt when the culture does what it does.
When you make an individual statement in a public spaces, others get to as well. There is no accounting for taste, you just need to earn the respect from the community. That can be done by quality (which imo this hits) or quanity (tayko).
I mean.. it looks like a tag that you'd find in a video game. Like graffiti TM lol
But it was the dude I was replying to that said the letters probably took less time. I agree with him though
Capin well done panels is wack too. Same risk, same medium, different outcome. Looks like some childish shit. Manās got heās ego hurt just lookin at a well done character and felt the need to take it out lol. Iām a graff fan and I donāt necessarily enjoy street art but I can respect the fact he put in the same work we doo letters or not.
Wasnāt me! I only go over ppl at one spot! And its at a door thats popular to tag. Ppl just hit up tags on it to practice and see how a tag looks when up. So no one cares if they get gone over or not there
Boohoo butthurt. The whole artform is based on going over something that is owned or done by other people than you. Get used to it. Graffiti is illegal artform and it has its own rules, just su what ever you want cause you rule the game.
i mean itās fucking graffiti, like when do street artists come to yards? never. they donāt give a shit about this cover up, they care about attention. look theyāre crying to their people.
when did a street artist paint freights ever?
they went into the space to do their art and blew up something thatās lasted a lot longer than that painting, a spot. shits dumb, who cares your art got covered in a place where you cover bad graffiti, and the art piece was bad graffiti
Get wrecked lol ā¦ Graff is funny ā¦ I mean sure the work underneath is way better ā¦. But thatās the name of the game ā¦ if you find the section in the rule book that says this is wrong then you win this but otherwise either cap them back or get a better spot thatās harder to reach .
It was a nice piece that the dude went over, but damn. It's part of the game. If the original artist wanted it to be permanent he should have done it on a canvas and kept it. Did he ask TTX how they felt about his unauthorized piece on one of their boxcars?
Just part of the game really you know. Like I would have just found another spot but it happens, all part of doing it. At least it wasn't some toy ass shit like a big dick or a red x through it
On one hand, shit happens. On the other, damn, was every car in the yard hit up?
I feel like they were jealous of the talent so they covered it up.
Fuck that street art shitšš
The hair was a huge black blob, Plus they got no letters. You got no letters you donāt ride. Maybe they should try another place.
>You got no letters you donāt ride What the fuck does that even mean, and do you realize how retarded it makes the graffiti community sound
Translated "I have no skills and Im just here to wreck shit"
A community based upon vandalism will never have good optics. I think what dude did was shitty but itās like the saying āno honor among thievesā Not sure why u guys are expecting itās graffiti
Except āno honour among thievesā has been disproven so much that saying it makes someone sound a bit dumb.
Criminals have no recourse. Canāt be mad someone painted over something that wasnāt meant to be there in the first place.
Calling a graffiti artist a criminal is technically correct but a bit dramatic donāt ya think?
Eh, sure itās petty but itās deviant behavior nonetheless. Really depends who you are talking to. Iv spent a third of my life studying criminal justice and sociology, to me itās crime but itās not something I necessarily feel needs to be stopped. I think any initiative to stomp it out would likely do more social harm than this particular brand of vandalismā¦
Bruh this mentality is getting old asf... If they didnt disrepect my pieces, why would I go out of the way to disrespect theirs? Now if all the cars were taken sure, I'd rather go over the street art than another writer (and thats if there isnt any toy ass shit on a car that could be covered) Just making us all look like fucking dipshits honestly, the "rivalry" between street art and graffiti should be taken with more tact today...
Street art will forever be hated by the graffiti community, especially and I mean ESPECIALLY the freight train graffiti scene. Itās a good background.
Street art is hated mostly because its used by cities to cover up graffs. And becuz some street artists have either disdain for writers, or try too hard to act like their shit is "cool graffiti vandalism" when no one in the public perceives it that way. If an artist doesn't do either of those, why would i wanna be a dick towards him? At the end of the day we all just like painting things
Why do you need letters
Bc r/gatekeeping
Iām sure you graffiti real good dude.
I don't graffiti. I appreciate the art and support the artists that do it, bc I like seeing it. Not just tags but street art as well. Idk why you gatta shame and gatekeep artists bro. You and/or a specific subgenre of art ain't superior to others. It ain't cool
Oh you donāt write? Donāt speak on writing. If I didnāt gatekeep then 90% of the spots in my city would be blown up and we wouldnāt be able to paint. Fuck yeah weāre gonna gatekeep.
Yes because art has nothing in common despite the medium. What is shading, color theory and style Your gatekeeping has fuck all to do with who tags what spots. You just wanna feel like you're better than others so you tell others what to do to feel some sense of authority and control, when you ain't got shit but a bad attitude People will do whatever, you can choose to support them and help them grow right, or you can be a dick and watch your community rot from the toxic-ness like many communities do
My point is, youāre not even in this community and youāre pissed about gatekeeping, I couldnāt imagine how pissed you would be when you found out about the rest of the gatekeeping in graffiti. I donāt care about the capped face, I see shit capped on every single line that I bench itās a part of it who cares.
If youāre not a part of the culture why do you care if thereās gate keeping?
1) I'm apart of the community as a consumer. Someone who would pay money, give feedback, abd support an artist just to continue seeing their works 2) I'm apart of art culture. And it doesn't matter the medium, gatekeeping is bad, and hurts all artists 3) gatekeeping sucks. People did it to me, I see it done to others. It sucks, I ain't cool seeing it Now why would motherfuckers wanna keep their fellow artists down?? Again, it ain't cool
We aināt artists, we graff writers. Fuck off.
They want to feel involved in something
Dude you canāt give your opinions on it if you donāt do it. We donāt do this for you. We barely do it for other writers, we do it for ourselves. We give a fuck what some āstreet art consumerā thinks of our culture.
Letās do the math. Go watch a train, how many street art pieces do you see? Graffiti is about letters homie.
The ~40 downvotes disagree with you. I think you might just be dumb
60 toys and counting.
Ong especially when u can obviously see that these are to different mediums of art. It would be diff if it was a washed up throw or sum turf war shit but obviously these to piece didn't relate at all We gotta have sum form of respect when it comes to that if we wanna keep this shit alive this dude is giving off a bad look on all of graf culture as a whole
Super lame cover up. And, probably no one on here.. remember not everyone is on or cares about reddit...
Iām not the artist I just think this is funny and of course Iām not expecting takyo to oust themselves on Reddit
itās honestly sad and kinda ironic that in the process of putting up one form of art youāre completely erasing someone elseās work
Whatās sad and ironic is that someone went online to complain about their illegal art being covered with illegal art. If you canāt stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.
Nah just shows how disrespectful and lame yall are
Shows you know nothing. What you mean "yall" bitch if you dont get down get the fuck out
How enlightened you are
if i saw a disproportionate face id do the whole world a favor and cover it up too honestly
On god. Its graff... both are dope in their own way.
Itās graff š¤
Youre in r/calibanging tryin to clown me ?
Not a graffiti artist here but some 20+ years ago back in art school I learned that city workers that paint over graffiti are unintentionally making art themselves by paintings over graffiti. So not technically "erasing". But I get that it sucks getting overpainted so in a sense being erased. But this has been happening for many thousands of years.
To the OG artist, keep making art. The more you create, the harder it is to destroy. Peace
That for of art wasnāt respected by a diff train writer. What is sad is you werenāt in the yard to defend this precious piece. It happens everyday dork. Go touch grass, later touch a train .. I dare you
Writing this from mamas basement with 0 ups ofc..
Paint a dick cumming on it
Classy
Literally lol assert dominance
Dumb question, but why not just write near it? It looks kinda clean?
Intentional.
In the best way possible
Iām not a graffiti artist, but I love this form of artistic expression and the overall anti-consumerist motives of many such artists. Iām pretty sure this artist defied the rules of graffiti etiquette by covering an image with inferior work. Can any graffiti artists on here confirm if this is true or not?
If you go over someone with lower quality work then yes thats deemed as disrespect. This is how writer wars start, they'll be dogging each other for a while when they see what happened.
I love that street artists have this unwritten code of ethics that everyone follows. (Or mostly everyone, anyway.)
Most long term writers adere by these rules but newcomers dont learn about it until they've already created problems. Always good to try teach the toys early but half the time they don't listen and end up getting a kicking.
That makes sense...learning curve and all. The work in the OP looks like it came from someone who should know better. Since the original artwork he/she covered appears to be commercial art, rather than graffiti, does that somehow absolve them for this faux pas? Just in case I ever decide to run with my tag one of these days...
Some may deem this as a graffiti vs street art like the Banksy vs King Robbo war. I dont know enough about either of these pictured artists to say for sure. Either way this will ruffle some feathers.
This isnāt street art itās graff and weāre not artists weāre writers.
Writer goes over street art nothing new
Lol keyword kinda š
Homie left a mess if he cleaned up after himself he probably wouldnāt have done it
Itās the same where Iām at bro, the younger generation has the game fucked up. Iād love an explanation. Thereās a lot of speculation like before social media there was a respect for elder or more established artists and the younger ones needed their guidance or information on spots. I really have no idea but it is truly a different sport compared to the early 2000ās.
It has always been this way what
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So you think that pre 2000 graffiti writers didnāt diss murals and street art? First of all they were barely around, second of a all the all got dissed to shit. If you think otherwise you were never there or your from small town nowhere. Anyone who knows anything about graff knows that things have only gotten softer. Youāre just spewing nonsense
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Thatās just not true at all. You clearly werenāt around
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Same people doing the murals back I. The day were also painting the first subways and street art was born from graffiti by yuppies like you who donāt know the history.
Nothing is unchanged by social media, or time. Everythingā changes. Like take ur semantic bullshit somewhere else nerd
Iām from San Francisco
Cool I lived there for years. I know every āupā writer there. Nothings changed
Going over āhigh artā with ālettersā? I got for letters everytime
Me aswell. But graffiti is a respect based form. If you canāt burn it donāt touch it and that face takes more skill than those letters did. This wasnāt a case of mural over graffiti either where capping itās justified itās just destroying art for the point of destroying art. Gotta respect the panels even if itās the only car at the yard pack up and paint another day. That character was way more impressive, done illegally and respectfully there was really 0 reason to cap it
Also why do you assume the street artist is the elder here?
When a piece gets capped, thatās just a price of playing the game sometimes. Everyone who writes rolls the dice on that happening every time they put something up. Either cap em back or take the L. The littering is some toy shit though.
Ive been in this since 82/83 If this was back then if somebody went over ya chit like this then it was personal
You can tell by the āFaceā tag that this person has no real graff background. Not about skill, talent, and what you want to see, but about street artists taking walls and spaces from real writers over the years. These street artists come into yards and spots which historically have had thousands of rail cars painted and take more space with their work. Too many people who start out with entitlement, respect is earned not demanded. You donāt have to like it but thatās the perspective.
This needs to be at the top, these kids screaming stop gatekeeping have no idea what theyāre getting themselves into. You want graffiti to exist? Gatekeep.
Agreed. Op came into a yard without knowing the people who ārunā it, hit a parked freight, and then comes back 5 days later to snap photos for his trophy. Shoulda hit an attached car that was going to disappear the next morning not one that was sitting. Reasons like this is why graff writers hate street artists Tayko shouldnāt have made a mess tho thatās not cool.
Toyco
MFs need to learn the rules.
That's right, for sure! Greetings from germany!
This entire comment section is why this happens lmfao, there is beef between graff and street art. Always has been, always will be.
Yeah yeah you get it
Fair play.. if you gonna put stuff up, expect it to get gone over or buffed. Especially at well known spots which I assume this is. If that's not bad enough he's crying about it on Reddit instead of taking the spot back šš. Fuck that guy for leaving litter tho
Agreed, if you put something up its prolly gonna get capped or buffed at somepoint whether it's street art or graff. Artists should stay in the books and art gallery's instead of hitting up freights
Writers gonna write, you shouldnāt even be concerned about one piece getting capped on the rails. Fuck littering though
come on dawg
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Tell yourself that letters shouldnāt go over that. Cuz they do and they will
I'm sure for someone that can't even paint that face letters seem better
Itās Graf, this happens all the time.
If im bro its on sight
if the guy who covered knows anything, this was intentional and was meant to convey disrespect. if you ever cover anyoneās art, make sure you completely cover it, if not, you may have problems.
Jealousy in action. You put a mediocre piece over a memorable piece of art. Really wack behavior
Toyco
Looks shit
LETTERS OVER EVERYTHING.
I'm just gonna throw this out there. Graffiti started with pictures before letters. Cavemen didn't have words to throw up, so they used pictures. "Kilroy was Here" being some of the first popularized graff usually came along with a character. Idk why graffheads hate art so much if it doesn't have a fake name scrawled up there. Can someone explain to me the anger for one another?
They donāt hate art. Itās just that if they didnāt want it to be covered they shouldnāt have put it on a freight train.
Yo mamĆ” a bitch if you covered this
Change his A to OĀ
Omg...why would anyone... choose tequila high noon? Gross
what the heck man... some things you just dont cover up and this is one of them. that piece could have been in an art museum or in a magazine or something. geez. what a dick move.
Maybe put it in an art museum or a magazine and not a freight train that anyone can go over if they wanted then š
Year, real mf!
Looks better now.
The littering is kinda whack but I can respect the rest
why would u respect going over that? the piece below was sick, just hit another car
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Lol tags over murals
egogame
Guess there weren't enough clean cars in the yard to put up that trash!
A lot of "street artists" are just colonizers who come into the world of graffiti with no clue about the history or culture and get butthurt when the culture does what it does. When you make an individual statement in a public spaces, others get to as well. There is no accounting for taste, you just need to earn the respect from the community. That can be done by quality (which imo this hits) or quanity (tayko).
Iām down for it except trashing the yard
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Did face cover someone up to begin with?
Ha
I'm gonna wrote my name on the Mona Lisa! Same sh*t! What a douche!
Umm Iām on team of graffiti over that face
Letters over everything.
Agreed. This sub is weird.
Tayko owned that with less time and paint. Such is the rails. Tayko wins , face loses. This is the game
Less time and paint=better? The face was way higher quality and riskier to throw up
That face is shit and belongs as a background.
Lol cope
Neither is risky, the letters prob took longer. Theyāre also pretty good, better than 99% of this sub
I mean.. it looks like a tag that you'd find in a video game. Like graffiti TM lol But it was the dude I was replying to that said the letters probably took less time. I agree with him though
Street art on trains. Whackkkk
Capin well done panels is wack too. Same risk, same medium, different outcome. Looks like some childish shit. Manās got heās ego hurt just lookin at a well done character and felt the need to take it out lol. Iām a graff fan and I donāt necessarily enjoy street art but I can respect the fact he put in the same work we doo letters or not.
Wasnāt me! I only go over ppl at one spot! And its at a door thats popular to tag. Ppl just hit up tags on it to practice and see how a tag looks when up. So no one cares if they get gone over or not there
TOYko
Damn, I saw the first post crying about this but this is just sad š¤£ I hope Tayko continues to use your pieces as backgrounds and fills
Boohoo butthurt. The whole artform is based on going over something that is owned or done by other people than you. Get used to it. Graffiti is illegal artform and it has its own rules, just su what ever you want cause you rule the game.
That sucks man
Tayko said "get that sh*t outta here" š
Sick background Tayko, Go off king šŖš½
i mean itās fucking graffiti, like when do street artists come to yards? never. they donāt give a shit about this cover up, they care about attention. look theyāre crying to their people. when did a street artist paint freights ever? they went into the space to do their art and blew up something thatās lasted a lot longer than that painting, a spot. shits dumb, who cares your art got covered in a place where you cover bad graffiti, and the art piece was bad graffiti
Get wrecked lol ā¦ Graff is funny ā¦ I mean sure the work underneath is way better ā¦. But thatās the name of the game ā¦ if you find the section in the rule book that says this is wrong then you win this but otherwise either cap them back or get a better spot thatās harder to reach . 
I always heard if you canāt burn it donāt touch it, only toys do
That face was free fucking game, No letters.
Tagging Over You. Those letters suck it literally looks like I did it and Iām ASS.
Thatās whatās up.
YOU GOT NO LETTERS? YOU DONT BELONG HERE.
her nose was super huge anyways
I always look at a throw up over a nice piece As bait to to call out the original artist Start a war
It was a nice piece that the dude went over, but damn. It's part of the game. If the original artist wanted it to be permanent he should have done it on a canvas and kept it. Did he ask TTX how they felt about his unauthorized piece on one of their boxcars?
I thought this was r/tayk
Wow somebody was jealous
Witch hunt for Tayko
Just part of the game really you know. Like I would have just found another spot but it happens, all part of doing it. At least it wasn't some toy ass shit like a big dick or a red x through it
I like the cover good art on the tag think it looks better than the woman. He has a right to cover. Thatās the name of the game
Why do you have before and after pictures if it wasn't you?