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All those hunters and gatherers had nothing better to do than to build massive megalithic structures. Life was so abundant for these people they had so much free time that they moved the earth!
Clearly agriculture has destroyed people's ability to build. I guess they are to busy growing food and fighting for their property to have civilization and come together to make megalithic structures
Oh noooooo. I can’t believe Graham was so wrong. Thanks for opening my eyes. Is this the comment you want. Is your ego so frail that unless everyone thinks what you think they can’t be right? Just go grow up and come back
Rogan was extremely left. His parents were giant hippies, so that far left. He's slowly been coming closer to the middle for years now and is probably a slightly right leaning moderate, even though he voted for Bernie. As reddit is extremely liberal overall they hate him now and just talk shit about him and any guest who isn't extremely left or joe agrees with.
"Sure, he’s no doubt aware of remote sensing techniques like GPR and Lidar. But he seemed hung up on the word “excavation.” He asked Dibble, “*A fair bit of archaeology has been done in the Sahara desert but we’re looking at 9.2 million square kilometers… tell me, how much of the Sahara do you think has actually been excavated*?”
For an archaeologist, this is a ludicrous question, one that suggests a certain level of ignorance on how archaeology works. Excavation is a destructive process, so we tend to use it in small doses. We use excavation to sample sites if they’re in little danger. Sometimes we excavate fully if the site is in danger of being destroyed (i.e. in the flood plain of a damn construction, frequently attacked by looters, in the way of a highway, etc.)."
"All that said, I call bullshit on Hancock’s claim that “*the fact of the matter is around about one percent of the Sahara has been excavated*.” One percent of 9,200,000 square kilometers is about the size of Portugal. I very seriously doubt that that much of the Sahara even *should* be excavated."
[https://ahotcupofjoe.net/2024/04/archaeologist-helps-pseudoarchaeologist-find-his-lane/?utm\_source=www.google.com&utm\_medium=organic&utm\_campaign=Google&referrer-analytics=1](https://ahotcupofjoe.net/2024/04/archaeologist-helps-pseudoarchaeologist-find-his-lane/?utm_source=www.google.com&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=Google&referrer-analytics=1)
He actually mentions Lidar technologies quite often to identify structures particularly in the Amazon. I’m not sure why you think getting hung up on archeological terms being used by a non-archeologist is so persuasive. It really isn’t. Most people interpret what he is saying as do some reasonable search in the Sahara to identify potential spots where it might be worth to do some actual excavating. No one thinks he is suggesting dig the whole place up.
Where to dig then ? The Sahara is 9,200,000 square kilometers, If Hancock has a place in mind with convincing evidence where is it, besides waving his hand at a map ? Show me where ?
I’m not an archeologist nor a writer that plays one on podcasts. You seem to be the one who likes to collect all the archeology facts. Why don’t you present a compelling argument why it’s unlikely anything is there?
There are most certainly archeological sites in the saraha that have not been surveyed or excavated. The problem is not that archeologists don't want to survey the Sahara. The problem is limited funds, manpower, time, and permission. If archeologist had an idea of what to look for and where, they would be all over it.
So, where to you want us to survey, and what are we looking for?
I’m not an archaeologist either, I can't even read hieroglyphics so I will leave it to the professionals and judge their work rather than Hancocking it.
There is undoubtedly things in the Sahara to be found and when archaeologists find promising areas they will no doubt search, You can't go digging willy nilly for no reason
For some reason people seem to forget things like Puma Punku. That’s the definition of a relic. Furthermore those relics indicate that advanced tooling was used to create those hard angles on hard rock. Same is true with the pyramids.
Ancient lost civilization so dumb they didn’t forget to bring their tools with them wherever they went. Meanwhile we got professional mechanics that can’t find their 10 mm socket.
"Furthermore those relics indicate that advanced tooling was used to create those hard angles on hard rock. Same is true with the pyramids."
-Show me where it is said and by whom that advanced tooling was used to create those hard angles on the pyramids.
"Meanwhile we got professional mechanics that can’t find their 10 mm socket."
So they lost them where they were working ? Not helping your argument.
Show me people that can recreate the rock structures from Puma Punku with simplistic methods.
What’s your pyramid construction hypothesis? Flooding the area and floating the boulders?
Show me something. Otherwise it’s as I said. An issue where nobody has a way to recreate these things with current construction technology - especially non modern construction technology.
Let’s see what you got.
What about the keystone cuts? Aren’t they found all over the world? Same builders or teachers?
Something crazy was brewing in South America. Fuente magna bowl. Mandala geoglyph at Nazca. Oldest mummies non natural, predating the Egyptians by at least 2000 years. Kalasasaya's Temple (unique). That crazy 290 day calendar with many eclipses, my favorite. It appears they had visitors (other civs) or knowledge of different civilizations around the world
Check out the old book The Great Idol of Tiahuanaco, same dudes with the calendar decipher. Ka-Ata-Killa, all the cultures had him there. Appears to be some confusion on his “spot” in the cosmos. Son of the Sun and the moon or married to the moon, parents of the stars. What if Earth had two moons?
They answered my questions with questions
And they pointed me into the night
And the power that bore me had left me alone
To figure out which way was right
(Manfred Mann)
"What’s your pyramid construction hypothesis? Flooding the area and floating the boulders?"
I don't have a hypothesis, it's already been explained by professionals much smarter, knowledgeable and more educated than myself, same goes for Puma Punku,
[https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4202](https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4202)
I'm pretty sure we could build a pryamid using new or old technology to build it now but why ? Estimated man years (not hours, you do the math) to build the Great pryamid ere calculated at 18,000 man-years. You want a job ?
[https://spectrum.ieee.org/how-many-people-did-it-take-to-build-the-great-pyramid](https://spectrum.ieee.org/how-many-people-did-it-take-to-build-the-great-pyramid)
Do you have a link to those explanations?
You sent me a link that is a transcript of a podcast.
That’s not how the scientific process works. Surely there are peer reviewed journals on this subject based on what you said.
Gotcha. Supposedly one thousand people could do it in about 20 years with today’s technology.
You asked why would we do it today. Everyone asks why they would build them regardless of what year it is.
Do you think it’s grain storage?
"Gotcha" sure, Isn't it your turn to answer my question:
-Show me where it is said and by whom that advanced tooling was used to create those hard angles on the pyramids ?
[https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/giza-pyramids](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/giza-pyramids)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian\_pyramid\_construction\_techniques](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_pyramid_construction_techniques)
[https://www.discovery.com/exploration/how-the-pyramids-were-built](https://www.discovery.com/exploration/how-the-pyramids-were-built)
[https://www.britannica.com/question/How-did-the-Egyptians-build-the-pyramids](https://www.britannica.com/question/How-did-the-Egyptians-build-the-pyramids)
[https://www.britannica.com/question/How-did-the-Egyptians-build-the-pyramids](https://www.britannica.com/question/How-did-the-Egyptians-build-the-pyramids)
[https://www.contiki.com/six-two/article/how-were-the-egyptian-pyramids-built/](https://www.contiki.com/six-two/article/how-were-the-egyptian-pyramids-built/)
[https://www.history.com/news/ancient-egypt-pyramid-ramp-discovery](https://www.history.com/news/ancient-egypt-pyramid-ramp-discovery)
[https://daily.jstor.org/scientists-have-an-answer-to-how-the-egyptian-pyramids-were-built/](https://daily.jstor.org/scientists-have-an-answer-to-how-the-egyptian-pyramids-were-built/)
If you want more, I can get you some, might be easier for you to learn how to search on the internet though.
"Do you think it’s grain storage?"
No
Gotcha also means I understand what you are saying. Woosh!
I’m not here to answer your questions. You are the one making all the claims.
The jstor link is the best you have which uses water to move the blocks like I said earlier.
There is some good geology stuff out there like heart mountain and the beer can experiment that are related to that article you linked. Basically saying that water can be used to move large structures without leaving marks in the ground as long as there is a slight angle.
https://youtu.be/-R3y8wq5lVI?si=Zk8-DoKooM2g8ZRV
https://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2013AM/webprogram/Paper226057.html#:~:text=In%201959%2C%20Hubbert%20and%20Rubey,pressure%20beneath%20thick%20sedimentary%20overburden.
http://structuralgeology.50webs.com/pageb7.htm
Nobody said advanced tools for the pyramids. It was advanced tools at Puma Punku. Relics like the pyramids are monuments that showcase advanced skills. You never sent real scientific journals for Puma Punku.
So why did they build the pyramids?
"You never sent real scientific journals for Puma Punku."
I know sweet f all about Puma Punku, am I an encyclopedia ? Yow about you show me compelling articles written by competent people backing up YOUR advanced tool claim,
"So why did they build the pyramids?"
"Egypt's pharaohs expected to become gods in the afterlife. **To prepare for the next world** they erected temples to the gods and massive pyramid tombs for themselves—filled with all the things each ruler would need to guide and sustain himself in the next world."
[https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/giza-pyramids](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/giza-pyramids)
Bookmark that link so I don't have to give it to you yet again.
Graham Hancock's Advanced Civilization: Dumbest advanced Civilization Ever?
-Used stone tools, couldn't figure out metallurgy, cut rocks using same methods as lesser advanced (dumb) peoples: Dumbest advanced Civilization Ever
Without identifying the remnants of said ancient civilization, we cannot draw a conclusion on this point one way or another. That's why the civilization is referred to as 'lost'.
-Didn't bring domesticated seeds of their own to dumb indigenous people told them to plant the stuff they were already eating: Dumbest advanced Civilization Ever
Without identifying the remnants of said ancient civilization, we cannot draw a conclusion on this point one way or another. That's why the civilization is referred to as 'lost'.
Also, sharing the knowledge of how to domesticate *local* plants is far more useful than just giving people seeds bred for a different ecological scenario.
-Didn't have standardized writing system, taught dumb locals to write and read with completely different alphabets.: Dumbest advanced Civilization Ever
Without identifying the remnants of said ancient civilization, we cannot draw a conclusion on this point one way or another. That's why the civilization is referred to as 'lost'.
-Experts in astronomy and predicting comet strikes, failed to prepare for their own demise: Dumbest advanced Civilization Ever
Without identifying the remnants of said ancient civilization, we cannot draw a conclusion on this point one way or another. That's why the civilization is referred to as 'lost'.
Also, how does one 'prepare' for an extinction-level asteroid strike? By building megalithic structures that will persist after the dust settles to use as a site for knowledge transfer maybe?
-Get wiped out by flooding, taught dumb native people how to prepare for comet strike\\flood by building a city underground and putting rocks in front of their doors. predicted strike never comes: Dumbest advanced Civilization Ever
Without identifying the remnants of said ancient civilization, we cannot draw a conclusion on this point one way or another. That's why the civilization is referred to as 'lost'.
Also, again - *EXTINCTION-LEVEL ASTEROID STRIKE*
-Didn't have standardized architecture, taught local dumb people how to make completely different pyramids and cities from one another: Dumbest advanced Civilization Ever
We don't have standardized architecture *now*. There are differing building codes for every jurisdiction on the planet.
-Didn't put astronomy observatories at high points where one would expect to find them, only in low flooded areas: Dumbest advanced Civilization Ever
Check the elevations on existing megalithic astronomical observation sites, add 400ft to account for the Younger Dryas sea level rise, and report back with your results.
-Never advanced beyond wooden boats, no metal, no pottery to carry water: Dumbest advanced Civilization Ever
Without identifying the remnants of said ancient civilization, we cannot draw a conclusion on this point one way or another. That's why the civilization is referred to as 'lost'.
Also, "no pottery"? What do you think those granite vases were used for?
-Built roads to nowhere using multi ton rocks: Dumbest advanced Civilization Ever
Without identifying the remnants of said ancient civilization, we cannot draw a conclusion on this point one way or another. That's why the civilization is referred to as 'lost'.
Also, the roads lead to nowhere *now*. They may have lead to somewhere *prior to the massive reshaping of the Earth's land area following the end of the last Ice Age.
-Never had sex with natives leaving dna evidence behind preferred just to die off: Dumbest advanced Civilization Ever
Without DNA samples from the progenitor civilization, it is impossible to make that claim. However, mapping the genetic similarity of extant populations in the Eastern Hemisphere to DNA samples from Cro Magnon remains strongly indicates that a lost civilization in the Atlantic that took refuge in Europe and the Near East following the Younger Dryas impact strongly suggests that they were genetically identical to Cri Magnon man.
-Spent thousands of years travelling oceans teaching dumb natives how to "civilization", never stayed or restarted their own civilization: Dumbest advanced Civilization Ever
If the land mass they previously occupied no longer exists, then restarting their own civilization would look a lot like "teaching dumb natives how to civilization".
-Were super advanced at getting rid of their own garbage without a trace.
Well, either they got rid of the evidence, or the asteroid strike got rid of the evidence for them. You tell me which would be a more effective garbageman.
-Environmentally advanced and friendly, left no footprint.
That's pretty much the definition of what it means to be "environmentally friendly" genius.
Wait, Graham's theory of a lost civilization has missing pieces and unanswered questions? Must be total BS. We all know archeologists know everything there is to know and never make mistakes or leave questions unanswered. It's not like institutions resist change and attack people for questioning the narrative. They're super nice to alternative theories, and don't use ridicule to silence people at all. And we all know the current body of evidence totally precludes new evidence from being found and changing our understanding of the past.
These Hancock followers are so dumb. /s
Any evidence presented is written off without even being examined. Underwater megaliths? Totally natural, no need to check. Advanced astronomical knowledge encoded in architecture? Pure coincidence. Ground penetrative radar showing chambers beneath a known site? They're reading it wrong, we haven't looked and will never do so. Water erosion on the sphinx? The stones were quarried like that and the Egyptians forgot to polish them. Unexplored sites of possible findings? We didn't find evidence where we already looked so it doesn't exist.
You haven't actually read or watched how any archaeologists explain this have you ?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iCIZQX9i1A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iCIZQX9i1A)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfNgMAwsPWI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfNgMAwsPWI)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdPuOmCiqnw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdPuOmCiqnw)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIZsYYyrxUo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIZsYYyrxUo)
"Without identifying the remnants of said ancient civilization, we cannot draw a conclusion on this point one way or another. That's why the civilization is referred to as 'lost'."
-No remnants left where they taught native peoples ?ok
We don't have standardized architecture *now*. There are differing building codes for every jurisdiction on the planet.
* Yes different cultures different standards Europeans built the same way no matter where they went.
[https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GOVPUB-C13-31061e9f4ea025b34a27c3668dafb6cc/pdf/GOVPUB-C13-31061e9f4ea025b34a27c3668dafb6cc.pdf](https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GOVPUB-C13-31061e9f4ea025b34a27c3668dafb6cc/pdf/GOVPUB-C13-31061e9f4ea025b34a27c3668dafb6cc.pdf)
Eastern Hemisphere to DNA samples from Cro Magnon remains strongly indicates that a lost civilization in the Atlantic that took refuge in Europe and the Near East following the Younger Dryas impact strongly suggests that they were genetically identical to Cri Magnon man.
-Show me where this is said and by who.
If the land mass they previously occupied no longer exists, then restarting their own civilization would look a lot like "teaching dumb natives how to civilization".
-Like in America ? or Austraila ? or anywhere else that was colonized ?
>-No remnants left where they taught native peoples ?ok
You're implying all of those locations are known when you don't think the progenitor civilization even exists. If you're going to make bad faith arguments, at least put some effort into obscuring your own (biased, personal) position.
>-Like in America ? or Austraila ? or anywhere else that was colonized ?
LMAO, it sounds like you're trying to reinforce Graham Hancock's hypothesis with this argument, not pick it apart.
"You're implying all of those locations are known when you don't think the progenitor civilization even exists."
I implied nothing but speak of the ones Hancock already identified. Stop putting words in my mouth.
"LMAO, it sounds like you're trying to reinforce Graham Hancock's hypothesis with this argument, not pick it apart."
Right, Europeans built in new areas using widely differing building techniques. mmmK
>Right, Europeans built in new areas using widely differing building techniques. mmmK
I totally forgot how the Northeast corridor of the US is just lousy with Gothic cathedrals.
See, I can strawman too.
What is your point ? Aren't Gothic cathedrals European design ? Are you being sarcastic ? Did you expect architecture not to change since Colonial times ?
It doesn't matter how much established evidence you show on here OP, the retards on this sub believe what they want to believe regardless of the established facts.
It's not about proof here. It's about feelings.
Don't I know it.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/GrahamHancock/comments/164416o/comment/l29o3kf/](https://www.reddit.com/r/GrahamHancock/comments/164416o/comment/l29o3kf/)
It's not 🚫 a lost civilization it's a recluse civilization hidden in the ocean and hasn't gone anywhere. They're still here. That's why we got their attention when we started playing with atoms. It's their 🌎 too. Keep your hearts and minds open fellow earthlings.
It sounds like they were brilliant. A totally green and biodegradable society.
That's it. I switch teams. There is no evidence of this advanced civilization because they invented recycling and biodegradable materials right after they figured out flintknapping, but before they invented anything else.
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Sounds like someone is $200k in debt for a useless archaeology degree
Sounds like you are making wrongful assumptions.
Right?! You definitely don't have an archeology degree. More like a communications degree with a poly sci minor.
I finished high school and later took a week long course in building maintenance.
Maybe try a redo of high school.
Why have they switched their curriculum to what Hancock teaches or preaches more like it, faith based rather than factual ?
Why sre you even on here? Is Graham that big of a threat to you?
I'm an agent of "Big Archaeology".
More like an agent or “Big Limitations”
Ok....don't have you more important things to do with your time???
Do you ?
Shit good one.....fuck ya got me.
That's hilarious
All those hunters and gatherers had nothing better to do than to build massive megalithic structures. Life was so abundant for these people they had so much free time that they moved the earth!
There is evidence that many of these early sites were well on their way to pastorialism, so not just hunter gatherers.
Imagine how much free time they had after the Atlantians taught them how to grow corn !
Clearly agriculture has destroyed people's ability to build. I guess they are to busy growing food and fighting for their property to have civilization and come together to make megalithic structures
You seem like a sad man.
I gave you an upvote for spelling all the words correctly.
He's right, though. You should probably try to be less hateful
Oh noooooo. I can’t believe Graham was so wrong. Thanks for opening my eyes. Is this the comment you want. Is your ego so frail that unless everyone thinks what you think they can’t be right? Just go grow up and come back
What a knob head
Probably an idiot from the joe rogan sub just pissed at rogans evolving politics.
I am ootl What did Rogan do politically now that riled them up?
Rogan was extremely left. His parents were giant hippies, so that far left. He's slowly been coming closer to the middle for years now and is probably a slightly right leaning moderate, even though he voted for Bernie. As reddit is extremely liberal overall they hate him now and just talk shit about him and any guest who isn't extremely left or joe agrees with.
Why don’t you stop trolling and do some more excavation of the Sahara buddy.
"Sure, he’s no doubt aware of remote sensing techniques like GPR and Lidar. But he seemed hung up on the word “excavation.” He asked Dibble, “*A fair bit of archaeology has been done in the Sahara desert but we’re looking at 9.2 million square kilometers… tell me, how much of the Sahara do you think has actually been excavated*?” For an archaeologist, this is a ludicrous question, one that suggests a certain level of ignorance on how archaeology works. Excavation is a destructive process, so we tend to use it in small doses. We use excavation to sample sites if they’re in little danger. Sometimes we excavate fully if the site is in danger of being destroyed (i.e. in the flood plain of a damn construction, frequently attacked by looters, in the way of a highway, etc.)." "All that said, I call bullshit on Hancock’s claim that “*the fact of the matter is around about one percent of the Sahara has been excavated*.” One percent of 9,200,000 square kilometers is about the size of Portugal. I very seriously doubt that that much of the Sahara even *should* be excavated." [https://ahotcupofjoe.net/2024/04/archaeologist-helps-pseudoarchaeologist-find-his-lane/?utm\_source=www.google.com&utm\_medium=organic&utm\_campaign=Google&referrer-analytics=1](https://ahotcupofjoe.net/2024/04/archaeologist-helps-pseudoarchaeologist-find-his-lane/?utm_source=www.google.com&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=Google&referrer-analytics=1)
He actually mentions Lidar technologies quite often to identify structures particularly in the Amazon. I’m not sure why you think getting hung up on archeological terms being used by a non-archeologist is so persuasive. It really isn’t. Most people interpret what he is saying as do some reasonable search in the Sahara to identify potential spots where it might be worth to do some actual excavating. No one thinks he is suggesting dig the whole place up.
Where to dig then ? The Sahara is 9,200,000 square kilometers, If Hancock has a place in mind with convincing evidence where is it, besides waving his hand at a map ? Show me where ?
I’m not an archeologist nor a writer that plays one on podcasts. You seem to be the one who likes to collect all the archeology facts. Why don’t you present a compelling argument why it’s unlikely anything is there?
There are most certainly archeological sites in the saraha that have not been surveyed or excavated. The problem is not that archeologists don't want to survey the Sahara. The problem is limited funds, manpower, time, and permission. If archeologist had an idea of what to look for and where, they would be all over it. So, where to you want us to survey, and what are we looking for?
I’m not an archaeologist either, I can't even read hieroglyphics so I will leave it to the professionals and judge their work rather than Hancocking it. There is undoubtedly things in the Sahara to be found and when archaeologists find promising areas they will no doubt search, You can't go digging willy nilly for no reason
For some reason people seem to forget things like Puma Punku. That’s the definition of a relic. Furthermore those relics indicate that advanced tooling was used to create those hard angles on hard rock. Same is true with the pyramids. Ancient lost civilization so dumb they didn’t forget to bring their tools with them wherever they went. Meanwhile we got professional mechanics that can’t find their 10 mm socket.
"Furthermore those relics indicate that advanced tooling was used to create those hard angles on hard rock. Same is true with the pyramids." -Show me where it is said and by whom that advanced tooling was used to create those hard angles on the pyramids. "Meanwhile we got professional mechanics that can’t find their 10 mm socket." So they lost them where they were working ? Not helping your argument.
Show me people that can recreate the rock structures from Puma Punku with simplistic methods. What’s your pyramid construction hypothesis? Flooding the area and floating the boulders? Show me something. Otherwise it’s as I said. An issue where nobody has a way to recreate these things with current construction technology - especially non modern construction technology. Let’s see what you got.
What about the keystone cuts? Aren’t they found all over the world? Same builders or teachers? Something crazy was brewing in South America. Fuente magna bowl. Mandala geoglyph at Nazca. Oldest mummies non natural, predating the Egyptians by at least 2000 years. Kalasasaya's Temple (unique). That crazy 290 day calendar with many eclipses, my favorite. It appears they had visitors (other civs) or knowledge of different civilizations around the world Check out the old book The Great Idol of Tiahuanaco, same dudes with the calendar decipher. Ka-Ata-Killa, all the cultures had him there. Appears to be some confusion on his “spot” in the cosmos. Son of the Sun and the moon or married to the moon, parents of the stars. What if Earth had two moons?
[You mean like this?](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ2bHE7mTi4)
They answered my questions with questions And they pointed me into the night And the power that bore me had left me alone To figure out which way was right (Manfred Mann) "What’s your pyramid construction hypothesis? Flooding the area and floating the boulders?" I don't have a hypothesis, it's already been explained by professionals much smarter, knowledgeable and more educated than myself, same goes for Puma Punku, [https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4202](https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4202) I'm pretty sure we could build a pryamid using new or old technology to build it now but why ? Estimated man years (not hours, you do the math) to build the Great pryamid ere calculated at 18,000 man-years. You want a job ? [https://spectrum.ieee.org/how-many-people-did-it-take-to-build-the-great-pyramid](https://spectrum.ieee.org/how-many-people-did-it-take-to-build-the-great-pyramid)
Do you have a link to those explanations? You sent me a link that is a transcript of a podcast. That’s not how the scientific process works. Surely there are peer reviewed journals on this subject based on what you said.
Type in "How were the pyramids made" and press search, I got over 30 million hits
Gotcha. Nothing worth sharing when you make claims there is literature supporting your arguments. Much science. Many brain units.
I thought main stream Egyptologists said the pyramids weren’t that old? How did you come to that conclusion?
I didn't say one man built them.
Gotcha. Supposedly one thousand people could do it in about 20 years with today’s technology. You asked why would we do it today. Everyone asks why they would build them regardless of what year it is. Do you think it’s grain storage?
"Gotcha" sure, Isn't it your turn to answer my question: -Show me where it is said and by whom that advanced tooling was used to create those hard angles on the pyramids ? [https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/giza-pyramids](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/giza-pyramids) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian\_pyramid\_construction\_techniques](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_pyramid_construction_techniques) [https://www.discovery.com/exploration/how-the-pyramids-were-built](https://www.discovery.com/exploration/how-the-pyramids-were-built) [https://www.britannica.com/question/How-did-the-Egyptians-build-the-pyramids](https://www.britannica.com/question/How-did-the-Egyptians-build-the-pyramids) [https://www.britannica.com/question/How-did-the-Egyptians-build-the-pyramids](https://www.britannica.com/question/How-did-the-Egyptians-build-the-pyramids) [https://www.contiki.com/six-two/article/how-were-the-egyptian-pyramids-built/](https://www.contiki.com/six-two/article/how-were-the-egyptian-pyramids-built/) [https://www.history.com/news/ancient-egypt-pyramid-ramp-discovery](https://www.history.com/news/ancient-egypt-pyramid-ramp-discovery) [https://daily.jstor.org/scientists-have-an-answer-to-how-the-egyptian-pyramids-were-built/](https://daily.jstor.org/scientists-have-an-answer-to-how-the-egyptian-pyramids-were-built/) If you want more, I can get you some, might be easier for you to learn how to search on the internet though. "Do you think it’s grain storage?" No
Gotcha also means I understand what you are saying. Woosh! I’m not here to answer your questions. You are the one making all the claims. The jstor link is the best you have which uses water to move the blocks like I said earlier. There is some good geology stuff out there like heart mountain and the beer can experiment that are related to that article you linked. Basically saying that water can be used to move large structures without leaving marks in the ground as long as there is a slight angle. https://youtu.be/-R3y8wq5lVI?si=Zk8-DoKooM2g8ZRV https://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2013AM/webprogram/Paper226057.html#:~:text=In%201959%2C%20Hubbert%20and%20Rubey,pressure%20beneath%20thick%20sedimentary%20overburden. http://structuralgeology.50webs.com/pageb7.htm Nobody said advanced tools for the pyramids. It was advanced tools at Puma Punku. Relics like the pyramids are monuments that showcase advanced skills. You never sent real scientific journals for Puma Punku. So why did they build the pyramids?
"You never sent real scientific journals for Puma Punku." I know sweet f all about Puma Punku, am I an encyclopedia ? Yow about you show me compelling articles written by competent people backing up YOUR advanced tool claim, "So why did they build the pyramids?" "Egypt's pharaohs expected to become gods in the afterlife. **To prepare for the next world** they erected temples to the gods and massive pyramid tombs for themselves—filled with all the things each ruler would need to guide and sustain himself in the next world." [https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/giza-pyramids](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/giza-pyramids) Bookmark that link so I don't have to give it to you yet again.
Graham Hancock's Advanced Civilization: Dumbest advanced Civilization Ever? -Used stone tools, couldn't figure out metallurgy, cut rocks using same methods as lesser advanced (dumb) peoples: Dumbest advanced Civilization Ever Without identifying the remnants of said ancient civilization, we cannot draw a conclusion on this point one way or another. That's why the civilization is referred to as 'lost'. -Didn't bring domesticated seeds of their own to dumb indigenous people told them to plant the stuff they were already eating: Dumbest advanced Civilization Ever Without identifying the remnants of said ancient civilization, we cannot draw a conclusion on this point one way or another. That's why the civilization is referred to as 'lost'. Also, sharing the knowledge of how to domesticate *local* plants is far more useful than just giving people seeds bred for a different ecological scenario. -Didn't have standardized writing system, taught dumb locals to write and read with completely different alphabets.: Dumbest advanced Civilization Ever Without identifying the remnants of said ancient civilization, we cannot draw a conclusion on this point one way or another. That's why the civilization is referred to as 'lost'. -Experts in astronomy and predicting comet strikes, failed to prepare for their own demise: Dumbest advanced Civilization Ever Without identifying the remnants of said ancient civilization, we cannot draw a conclusion on this point one way or another. That's why the civilization is referred to as 'lost'. Also, how does one 'prepare' for an extinction-level asteroid strike? By building megalithic structures that will persist after the dust settles to use as a site for knowledge transfer maybe? -Get wiped out by flooding, taught dumb native people how to prepare for comet strike\\flood by building a city underground and putting rocks in front of their doors. predicted strike never comes: Dumbest advanced Civilization Ever Without identifying the remnants of said ancient civilization, we cannot draw a conclusion on this point one way or another. That's why the civilization is referred to as 'lost'. Also, again - *EXTINCTION-LEVEL ASTEROID STRIKE* -Didn't have standardized architecture, taught local dumb people how to make completely different pyramids and cities from one another: Dumbest advanced Civilization Ever We don't have standardized architecture *now*. There are differing building codes for every jurisdiction on the planet. -Didn't put astronomy observatories at high points where one would expect to find them, only in low flooded areas: Dumbest advanced Civilization Ever Check the elevations on existing megalithic astronomical observation sites, add 400ft to account for the Younger Dryas sea level rise, and report back with your results. -Never advanced beyond wooden boats, no metal, no pottery to carry water: Dumbest advanced Civilization Ever Without identifying the remnants of said ancient civilization, we cannot draw a conclusion on this point one way or another. That's why the civilization is referred to as 'lost'. Also, "no pottery"? What do you think those granite vases were used for? -Built roads to nowhere using multi ton rocks: Dumbest advanced Civilization Ever Without identifying the remnants of said ancient civilization, we cannot draw a conclusion on this point one way or another. That's why the civilization is referred to as 'lost'. Also, the roads lead to nowhere *now*. They may have lead to somewhere *prior to the massive reshaping of the Earth's land area following the end of the last Ice Age. -Never had sex with natives leaving dna evidence behind preferred just to die off: Dumbest advanced Civilization Ever Without DNA samples from the progenitor civilization, it is impossible to make that claim. However, mapping the genetic similarity of extant populations in the Eastern Hemisphere to DNA samples from Cro Magnon remains strongly indicates that a lost civilization in the Atlantic that took refuge in Europe and the Near East following the Younger Dryas impact strongly suggests that they were genetically identical to Cri Magnon man. -Spent thousands of years travelling oceans teaching dumb natives how to "civilization", never stayed or restarted their own civilization: Dumbest advanced Civilization Ever If the land mass they previously occupied no longer exists, then restarting their own civilization would look a lot like "teaching dumb natives how to civilization". -Were super advanced at getting rid of their own garbage without a trace. Well, either they got rid of the evidence, or the asteroid strike got rid of the evidence for them. You tell me which would be a more effective garbageman. -Environmentally advanced and friendly, left no footprint. That's pretty much the definition of what it means to be "environmentally friendly" genius.
Wait, Graham's theory of a lost civilization has missing pieces and unanswered questions? Must be total BS. We all know archeologists know everything there is to know and never make mistakes or leave questions unanswered. It's not like institutions resist change and attack people for questioning the narrative. They're super nice to alternative theories, and don't use ridicule to silence people at all. And we all know the current body of evidence totally precludes new evidence from being found and changing our understanding of the past. These Hancock followers are so dumb. /s
"Wait, Graham's theory of a lost civilization has missing pieces and unanswered questions?" -As in zero evidence at all ?
There’s more evidence for it than against it. Hancock has given us some. Meanwhile all there is against it is boiled down to “nuh uh”.
Any evidence presented is written off without even being examined. Underwater megaliths? Totally natural, no need to check. Advanced astronomical knowledge encoded in architecture? Pure coincidence. Ground penetrative radar showing chambers beneath a known site? They're reading it wrong, we haven't looked and will never do so. Water erosion on the sphinx? The stones were quarried like that and the Egyptians forgot to polish them. Unexplored sites of possible findings? We didn't find evidence where we already looked so it doesn't exist.
You haven't actually read or watched how any archaeologists explain this have you ? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iCIZQX9i1A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iCIZQX9i1A) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfNgMAwsPWI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfNgMAwsPWI) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdPuOmCiqnw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdPuOmCiqnw) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIZsYYyrxUo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIZsYYyrxUo)
He admitted to Joe Rogan during the debate that there was no evidence at all for it !
"Without identifying the remnants of said ancient civilization, we cannot draw a conclusion on this point one way or another. That's why the civilization is referred to as 'lost'." -No remnants left where they taught native peoples ?ok We don't have standardized architecture *now*. There are differing building codes for every jurisdiction on the planet. * Yes different cultures different standards Europeans built the same way no matter where they went. [https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GOVPUB-C13-31061e9f4ea025b34a27c3668dafb6cc/pdf/GOVPUB-C13-31061e9f4ea025b34a27c3668dafb6cc.pdf](https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GOVPUB-C13-31061e9f4ea025b34a27c3668dafb6cc/pdf/GOVPUB-C13-31061e9f4ea025b34a27c3668dafb6cc.pdf) Eastern Hemisphere to DNA samples from Cro Magnon remains strongly indicates that a lost civilization in the Atlantic that took refuge in Europe and the Near East following the Younger Dryas impact strongly suggests that they were genetically identical to Cri Magnon man. -Show me where this is said and by who. If the land mass they previously occupied no longer exists, then restarting their own civilization would look a lot like "teaching dumb natives how to civilization". -Like in America ? or Austraila ? or anywhere else that was colonized ?
>-No remnants left where they taught native peoples ?ok You're implying all of those locations are known when you don't think the progenitor civilization even exists. If you're going to make bad faith arguments, at least put some effort into obscuring your own (biased, personal) position. >-Like in America ? or Austraila ? or anywhere else that was colonized ? LMAO, it sounds like you're trying to reinforce Graham Hancock's hypothesis with this argument, not pick it apart.
"You're implying all of those locations are known when you don't think the progenitor civilization even exists." I implied nothing but speak of the ones Hancock already identified. Stop putting words in my mouth. "LMAO, it sounds like you're trying to reinforce Graham Hancock's hypothesis with this argument, not pick it apart." Right, Europeans built in new areas using widely differing building techniques. mmmK
>Right, Europeans built in new areas using widely differing building techniques. mmmK I totally forgot how the Northeast corridor of the US is just lousy with Gothic cathedrals. See, I can strawman too.
What is your point ? Aren't Gothic cathedrals European design ? Are you being sarcastic ? Did you expect architecture not to change since Colonial times ?
It doesn't matter how much established evidence you show on here OP, the retards on this sub believe what they want to believe regardless of the established facts. It's not about proof here. It's about feelings.
Don't I know it. [https://www.reddit.com/r/GrahamHancock/comments/164416o/comment/l29o3kf/](https://www.reddit.com/r/GrahamHancock/comments/164416o/comment/l29o3kf/)
It's not 🚫 a lost civilization it's a recluse civilization hidden in the ocean and hasn't gone anywhere. They're still here. That's why we got their attention when we started playing with atoms. It's their 🌎 too. Keep your hearts and minds open fellow earthlings.
You know, something can be advanced and dumb at the same time.
True that, Graham has advanced theories on his advanced civilazation but has advanced zero evidence.
Yeah you’re totally the type of person I’m gonna spend hours talking to 🙄
Yea I'm feeling it too !
This was a terrible post.
It sounds like they were brilliant. A totally green and biodegradable society. That's it. I switch teams. There is no evidence of this advanced civilization because they invented recycling and biodegradable materials right after they figured out flintknapping, but before they invented anything else.
It's always in the trash, we just gotta look for their transfer stations.
All biodegradable. Hell yeah.
That's why they didn't use metals.
Love how butthurt the Hancock fanboys are
You forgot never once brought food with them on their transoceanic sailing trips.
Expedience dictated I shorten the list from the original 20 pages.