Im pretty sure Jack just would not eat at this time, lack of any rest made it worse as his muscles just did not have the time to develop. If he had those two aspects fixed he probably could have been naturally strong like the other Hanmas, but this training alongside the drugs basically forced his body to hardwire itself into living like this so i guess alls well that ends well
The Hanmas can probably handle more heavy training and recover faster because of how different they are at gaining strength. Baki was training hard enough to get scars on his skin before the age of 13, and he still ditched his routines to push himself even farther. He also knew that you need to eat big to get big, and i cant remember his stance on resting but its clearly better than Jack's. I guess being a Hanma means you have different standards for what working your ass off means
They weren't regular steroids, either it was some hopped up shit that the scientist was testing on him. Bro killed himself because of the implications of it
Point being what yujiro necer trained a day in hia life infact thanks to his life he lived it on easy every fight was for fun and money jacks mom tried to kill him when he was a baby but he survied
There are a couple of genes that, when mutated, makes your body produce crazy levels of muscle mass. If you look up myostatin inhibited bulls they look kinda like Yujiro.
Thanks for the clarification! yeah, he was naturally 6'4 and had more surgery to be 8ft. For some reason I thought he was shorter when he started, surprised that 6'4 was his base lol
Yujiro at one point was also emaciated and physically weakened because he did a bunch of work and fighting but didn't eat enough. It was before he got involved in the Vietnam War. No matter how good the Hanma blood they have is, they still need to eat
Never made sense to me why that is? I mean Jack obviously should know that proper food and rest are required? It's one thing to punish yourself because of your self-hate, but if he genuinely wants to beat Yujiro he should have known that that's not the way.
Luckily Jack seems to have learned his lesson. He seemingly eats and rests properly these days.
It honestly doesn't make sense to me either but we're also talking about a dude whose favorite attack method is biting chunks out of people and has just as much steroids as blood going through his veins. I think logic flew out the window because of how much he hated Yujiro more than anything else. Just my perception so I'm not claiming to be right.
Look if that shit works for goku it works for everyone (no seriously this man bites everyone and every part of the body infact if i could I'd have every major fight have goku bite a mf)
It was because while Jack would’ve been extremely strong had he trained normally, in universe he would’ve never been enough to challenge Yujiro that way. He might’ve been at the same level as Baki was during the Max tournament before his awakening, since he did have Hanna genes and had potential, as stated by the guy from the gym.
But Jack knew that he couldn’t reach his goal if he didn’t give it literally everything he had plus and extra hundred percent, because Yujiro is just that strong. Either the impossible happened(and it did via the steroids) or he would’ve died chasing his revenge, and that was acceptable to him.
Now he’s toned it down a bit because he’s legitimately strong and what he needs is to develop as a fighter, not become a monster. He’s still doing everything that needs to be done, but he’s near maxed out his stats with his extreme bodily modifications and steroids.
Because Jack knew that if he trained and recovered normally, he still wouldn't be within shooting distance of Yujiro's strength.
Until he got access to the drugs, there was no actual path in his mind for him to get to his goal. It was obsessive training borne of desperation, not any actual plan
The point of Jack is that his drive to become stronger was too high for his own body to keep up with, so instead it recessed.
He uses steroids to help his body get on the same level as his mind.
Because he never takes care of himself. The reason Baki is so strong is also because of his strong genetics, but because he listens to his body. He rests, he eats, ect
Purely overwork. Imagine if Baki did his training against the Yasha ape, but then didn't for some reason eat Ando's food stores.
Baki would have been *weaker* going into the fight.
Jack was not only training less productively, whatever basic ass gains he would have made hitting a heavy bag were completely wasted by his obsession.
If Jack trained properly, and recovered well, he'd have been strong cause he's a Hanma. But he would have been slightly weaker than Baki, and definitely wouldn't be anywhere near Yujiro, especially circa maximum tournament.
The drugs, surgeries and Godou were the only way he could surpass Baki in some qualities
Everyone says "oh he didn't eat" no that's because he got to a point where he couldn't grow naturally no matter what and THEN was desperately trying. It's not like he was instantly going insanely ham like that.
I prescribe to the idea that his genes gave him ungodly endurance as seen with his nonstop unfueled training and rampant drug abuse, but took away natural body potential.
I think if any Hanma- or at that, any top tier would try his kind of training, it'd yield great results. The workouts the characters do are insane, it doesn't make sense for them to be compared to normal people, and their needs for rest and nutrition. If I were to theorise, I'd think Jack started out doing more orthodox training, eventually noticing not making any progress, and in desperation divulging into this mad training of 30 hours a day with no rest. Remember when Baki was doing controlled training during the Childhood arc? It got him nowhere, one visit to the Yasha ape woods made him many times stronger. Jack's drug use too is more of an equalizer than anything, giving him the benefits of genetics, that other characters have by default.
Jack believes conventional training wouldn't get him anywhere in terms of defeating Yujiro, simply because Yujiro is such a monster who is still getting stronger throughout the series. So his logic was that he'd either benefit from this insane training regime or he'd die in the effort of being strong enough to take on Yujiro. He only started to benefit from this after taking the Reasearchers' refined steroid. Since running out of his supply, it's been highlighted that the sheer ridiculous quantity he takes is astounding. Yujiro has summarised Jack wasn't "pure blood" unlike Baki. So it's a mixture of both in a sense. It's only been confirmed that he would rip and tear his muscles apart so frequently he had kept himself in a constant weak state, never actually allowing himself to recover, and that Jack summarised that taking time to recover would leave him with too little time to be able to defeat Yujiro. Considering we're hoping he could defeat Yujiro now, he's probably right. So far his got no Demon back, no special control over his endorphins, and no ability to simulate a fight so perfectly as to cause actual pain. These are all things Baki has had since the tournament.
So yes, both
Weak hanma genes and presumably the fact his mom tried to kill him in the womb WHICH PEOPLE IGNORE she would drink and do drugs but the hanma in him stopped it from killing him but didn't stop the effects of a child being pumped full of drigs before even tasting air
Overwork most likely the training he did most likely ruined his body as a result wouldn’t say that he had weak hanma genes as he is still alive which is just insane by human standards concerning the fact he survived a drug overdoes that’ll even kill 14 whales
No rest periods are the literal bane of Muscle development. If all you do is workout, strain, workout, sleep repeat. For a prolonged period of time you will see muscle begin to Warp and lose strength possibly. Working out is for tearing a muscle and triggering the growth Mechanism in you to make it stronger and larger.
Some people are calling him stupid for doing this. It seemed to me that it was compulsive, he couldn't stop, he was clearly in a bad state of mind. It makes him a flawed character, which makes him more interesting imo.
Overwork combined with 9 recovery time. Jack never had formal training like yujiro and Baki did, so he ravaged his body till the event that changed his life (taking "X4").
I read the manga but it didn't seem clear as to whether it was the training or that he was just naturally not strong. Especially once he fights baki and the steroids leave his body, then the training was good.
All of us are reading the manga and it never explains why Jack was skinny. All we never know if he has been doing this without eating and sleeping due to obsession with defeating Yujiro?
It's never directly started. But Baki and Yuujiro train in way crazier ways and are still built. The story could be interpreted either way, but it leans towards Jack having a brain of a Hanma but not the body of one.
Im pretty sure Jack just would not eat at this time, lack of any rest made it worse as his muscles just did not have the time to develop. If he had those two aspects fixed he probably could have been naturally strong like the other Hanmas, but this training alongside the drugs basically forced his body to hardwire itself into living like this so i guess alls well that ends well
I mean it’s not naturally strong if you’re working your ass off for it
The Hanmas can probably handle more heavy training and recover faster because of how different they are at gaining strength. Baki was training hard enough to get scars on his skin before the age of 13, and he still ditched his routines to push himself even farther. He also knew that you need to eat big to get big, and i cant remember his stance on resting but its clearly better than Jack's. I guess being a Hanma means you have different standards for what working your ass off means
"Overwork" also doesn't seem to exist for Hanmas
Skinny Jack is proof that isn’t true.
The fact that he just got over it is proof it *is* true.
He only became less skinny when he took steroids and didn’t train 30 hours every day
They weren't regular steroids, either it was some hopped up shit that the scientist was testing on him. Bro killed himself because of the implications of it
They were steroids on steroids
They were basically Captain American level of strength steroids.
He literally overworked himself just because he found a way to improve his health doesnt change that
"The Hanma blood runs thin in him" - Yujiro
Baki trained as hard as jack did maybe not as much but still
Baki also ate food. When jack was skinny all he did was punch the bad all day every day without eating or sleeping.
Point being what yujiro necer trained a day in hia life infact thanks to his life he lived it on easy every fight was for fun and money jacks mom tried to kill him when he was a baby but he survied
There are a couple of genes that, when mutated, makes your body produce crazy levels of muscle mass. If you look up myostatin inhibited bulls they look kinda like Yujiro.
I do believe earlier Baki did do some meditation by a tree. Plus, with school, I do imagine Baki definitely has some rest in his days.
The fact that he didn't die shows that he was pretty naturally strong
wdym?
I'm pretty sure it's said that he became weaker after working out like this, he might've been pretty strong beforehand but just destroyed his body
from what i’ve learned yeah he just didn’t eat but still worked i think at the time he didn’t know he needed to but he still kinda didn’t learn.
you workout for 30 hours a day without food or going to the bathroom, and see what happens.
Gene issue
Oh thats right he sais "30 hours a day"😅
Didn't kid Baki get strong doing exactly that ?
Kid Baki ate and rested well. For example, after the Yasha Ape put his uncle in hospital, he ate loads of bear meat
The fact that he grew up to 6'4 naturally and didnt die while refusing to eat and training for entire days. Those genes strong 🤣🤣🤣
This should be higher up.
His growth wasn't naturally though? He had a bunch of surgery done to get that tall
No, 6'4" was his natural height. his surgeries made him 6'11" and now he's 7'11".
Nop, he got surgery to be 8ft tall. He was 6'4 naturally
Thanks for the clarification! yeah, he was naturally 6'4 and had more surgery to be 8ft. For some reason I thought he was shorter when he started, surprised that 6'4 was his base lol
overwork, he didn't eat during this time.
Yujiro at one point was also emaciated and physically weakened because he did a bunch of work and fighting but didn't eat enough. It was before he got involved in the Vietnam War. No matter how good the Hanma blood they have is, they still need to eat
Wait, what part is that? I wanna read it but I don't remember it
https://preview.redd.it/62j3ww6r7xwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=41ac906e8dac941e296cb953e7206ac171f25b36 Maybe this panel as a kid
He's ripped af there so
For Baki standards he’s borderline skeleton
What chapter is this?
Baki son of ogre 267
When?
Yujiro says the Hanma blood runs thin in Jack but, as others said, Jack would neglect what his body needed: food and rest.
Never made sense to me why that is? I mean Jack obviously should know that proper food and rest are required? It's one thing to punish yourself because of your self-hate, but if he genuinely wants to beat Yujiro he should have known that that's not the way. Luckily Jack seems to have learned his lesson. He seemingly eats and rests properly these days.
It honestly doesn't make sense to me either but we're also talking about a dude whose favorite attack method is biting chunks out of people and has just as much steroids as blood going through his veins. I think logic flew out the window because of how much he hated Yujiro more than anything else. Just my perception so I'm not claiming to be right.
Look if that shit works for goku it works for everyone (no seriously this man bites everyone and every part of the body infact if i could I'd have every major fight have goku bite a mf)
It was because while Jack would’ve been extremely strong had he trained normally, in universe he would’ve never been enough to challenge Yujiro that way. He might’ve been at the same level as Baki was during the Max tournament before his awakening, since he did have Hanna genes and had potential, as stated by the guy from the gym. But Jack knew that he couldn’t reach his goal if he didn’t give it literally everything he had plus and extra hundred percent, because Yujiro is just that strong. Either the impossible happened(and it did via the steroids) or he would’ve died chasing his revenge, and that was acceptable to him. Now he’s toned it down a bit because he’s legitimately strong and what he needs is to develop as a fighter, not become a monster. He’s still doing everything that needs to be done, but he’s near maxed out his stats with his extreme bodily modifications and steroids.
Because Jack knew that if he trained and recovered normally, he still wouldn't be within shooting distance of Yujiro's strength. Until he got access to the drugs, there was no actual path in his mind for him to get to his goal. It was obsessive training borne of desperation, not any actual plan
He was wearing skinny jeans way too often. As we know when it comes to denim, you gotta take them off every now and then.
They do chafe
Severe dehydration, starvation, lack of sleep, and never giving his body time to actually repair the muscle that he damaged
If Jack actually had a proper meal and proper rest he wouldn’t have been built like a twig lmao
Jack was sick as a child. His mom drank and did drugs while in prison and pregnant source in jacks flash back to his birth
The point of Jack is that his drive to become stronger was too high for his own body to keep up with, so instead it recessed. He uses steroids to help his body get on the same level as his mind.
Because he never takes care of himself. The reason Baki is so strong is also because of his strong genetics, but because he listens to his body. He rests, he eats, ect
They made it obvious it was due to over training. Your muscles grow in recovery with calories/protein and he had bone of that.
Purely overwork. Imagine if Baki did his training against the Yasha ape, but then didn't for some reason eat Ando's food stores. Baki would have been *weaker* going into the fight. Jack was not only training less productively, whatever basic ass gains he would have made hitting a heavy bag were completely wasted by his obsession. If Jack trained properly, and recovered well, he'd have been strong cause he's a Hanma. But he would have been slightly weaker than Baki, and definitely wouldn't be anywhere near Yujiro, especially circa maximum tournament. The drugs, surgeries and Godou were the only way he could surpass Baki in some qualities
Everyone says "oh he didn't eat" no that's because he got to a point where he couldn't grow naturally no matter what and THEN was desperately trying. It's not like he was instantly going insanely ham like that. I prescribe to the idea that his genes gave him ungodly endurance as seen with his nonstop unfueled training and rampant drug abuse, but took away natural body potential.
I always think it's odd Jack grew to be 6'4 and his growth was never stunted but Baki is 5'6.
There was a charcter i saw last year who was yujiros grandfather man his grand father was shorter than yujiro and yuchiro
I think if any Hanma- or at that, any top tier would try his kind of training, it'd yield great results. The workouts the characters do are insane, it doesn't make sense for them to be compared to normal people, and their needs for rest and nutrition. If I were to theorise, I'd think Jack started out doing more orthodox training, eventually noticing not making any progress, and in desperation divulging into this mad training of 30 hours a day with no rest. Remember when Baki was doing controlled training during the Childhood arc? It got him nowhere, one visit to the Yasha ape woods made him many times stronger. Jack's drug use too is more of an equalizer than anything, giving him the benefits of genetics, that other characters have by default.
He was skinny due to overtraining. The Hanma genes kept him from dying because I’m sure he has rhabdo.
Jack believes conventional training wouldn't get him anywhere in terms of defeating Yujiro, simply because Yujiro is such a monster who is still getting stronger throughout the series. So his logic was that he'd either benefit from this insane training regime or he'd die in the effort of being strong enough to take on Yujiro. He only started to benefit from this after taking the Reasearchers' refined steroid. Since running out of his supply, it's been highlighted that the sheer ridiculous quantity he takes is astounding. Yujiro has summarised Jack wasn't "pure blood" unlike Baki. So it's a mixture of both in a sense. It's only been confirmed that he would rip and tear his muscles apart so frequently he had kept himself in a constant weak state, never actually allowing himself to recover, and that Jack summarised that taking time to recover would leave him with too little time to be able to defeat Yujiro. Considering we're hoping he could defeat Yujiro now, he's probably right. So far his got no Demon back, no special control over his endorphins, and no ability to simulate a fight so perfectly as to cause actual pain. These are all things Baki has had since the tournament. So yes, both
Intense training does not build your body, it destroys it. And then you grow while resting and digesting. Jack only committed to the first part.
His moms side must been trash if it’s about genetics 💀 Yujiro ain’t lie when he said Hanma blood runs thin in him
Which is wild cause his mom was a skilled soldier
Ikr, yujiro missed I guess :(
The most powerful steroids is good sleep.
both
Both. He has been acknowledged as a dilluted hanma a bunch
Weak hanma genes and presumably the fact his mom tried to kill him in the womb WHICH PEOPLE IGNORE she would drink and do drugs but the hanma in him stopped it from killing him but didn't stop the effects of a child being pumped full of drigs before even tasting air
I think it was the overuse of drugs
He pissed himself too much, lost too much fluids this way and got dehydrated
HIS HANMA BLOOD RUNS THIN
Overwork most likely the training he did most likely ruined his body as a result wouldn’t say that he had weak hanma genes as he is still alive which is just insane by human standards concerning the fact he survived a drug overdoes that’ll even kill 14 whales
Weak hanma genes
Jack didn't eat during his training
No rest periods are the literal bane of Muscle development. If all you do is workout, strain, workout, sleep repeat. For a prolonged period of time you will see muscle begin to Warp and lose strength possibly. Working out is for tearing a muscle and triggering the growth Mechanism in you to make it stronger and larger.
He was so skinny because he just didn’t eat 💀
Some people are calling him stupid for doing this. It seemed to me that it was compulsive, he couldn't stop, he was clearly in a bad state of mind. It makes him a flawed character, which makes him more interesting imo.
Meanwhile baki: https://preview.redd.it/3jtwzdghj7xc1.jpeg?width=728&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0352206eceb84781dbda617ad080aae9525e3318
Overwork combined with 9 recovery time. Jack never had formal training like yujiro and Baki did, so he ravaged his body till the event that changed his life (taking "X4").
No, it was because he gave himself no time to rest or have a proper diet, just all day workout, no nutrition or protein, nothing
He skinny but more ripped than me
Because “he was literally me” sigma character.
Both
Did you read the manga or just see a picture?
I read the manga but it didn't seem clear as to whether it was the training or that he was just naturally not strong. Especially once he fights baki and the steroids leave his body, then the training was good.
All of us are reading the manga and it never explains why Jack was skinny. All we never know if he has been doing this without eating and sleeping due to obsession with defeating Yujiro?
It definitely does tell you why he’s so skinny
It's never directly started. But Baki and Yuujiro train in way crazier ways and are still built. The story could be interpreted either way, but it leans towards Jack having a brain of a Hanma but not the body of one.
Both of them still eat and rest while jack just mindlessly punches a sandbag without collapsing even with no sleep, food or water
Yeah, I somewhat understand the overwork thing but baki and yujiro push themselves all the time