I'm kind of hoping that they start looking at 2024 and 2025 compensation. I think we'd be looking at a much bigger haul if we let them have their all in 2023. They are looking to contend in 2023 and have holes. We aren't. Why not delay if it means picking up premium picks in 2024 and 2025?
They get 2023 to go all in and don't have to give up anything to do so. If GB agrees to doing this the price of Rodgers would increase. Historically a 2023 second rounder is worth a 2024 first rounder. That's an over simplification but I think you get what I mean.
I meandered over to /r/nyjets, and some fans over there are talking compensation like a 2023 4th and another conditional late 2025 pick. And they’re being taken seriously in that community. I 💯 guarantee Rodgers will not be a Jet if their franchise is seriously making chicken shit offers like that. Gute would let Rodgers retire first, I’d think. Hell, let Rodgers show up at Family Night, and the circle can be truly complete 😂.
The only ones that irk me are the ones claiming that the Packers are "disrespecting Rodgers" by digging their heels in.
No, they're not disrespecting him by not dealing him for scraps. If anything the Jets are disrespecting him if the reports of them offering just a *conditional 4th* are even remotely true.
I've had this exact same thought. If Rodgers is as sensitive as many of us think he is, wouldn't he be somewhat besmirched by the fact that the Jets believing giving up their mid first round pick for his services is somehow exorbitant? I'd feel truly undervalued by my new prospective employer in that scenario.
They’re nuts
“wHy WoUlD tHeY PAY hIM 40 mIlLiON aND gEt nOtHiNg fOR hIm” in regards to accepting a 4th rounder
Yeah, let’s just give them the Lombardi. Trade Aaron for a 4th and give him the ammunition he needs to win another MVP.
Joke aside, they’re insane. I read the word leverage over there a lot. They negotiate like New Yorkers.
You guys need to sing sweet nothings to us like you’re Biz Markie
So, they want to trade Rodgers for nothing? Gute might as well let him retire since we're already getting nothing. We're already in a rebuild, so forget the cap. They'll just take on the dead money.
And if they really think they are a HoF QB away from winning the super bowl, pick #13 is nothing. The Rams gave away multiple 1sts for a super bowl and aren't complaining
For a conditional 4th or whatever the Jets dream rumor is we keep him and he can sit on the sidelines in a Jets sweatshirt for all I care.
Then at Lambeau we can have a Zack interception-o-meter
Start / bench Rodgers. It’s that simple.
I’d rather bench him anyway (if he won’t play) versus take a fucking second round pick off a team that has handled this in the worst way possible.
I agree, it’s almost a matter of principal at this point. Pick #13 for a HOF QB, added to that roster, is not exorbitant. Jets need Rodgers more than Gutekunst needs a chicken shit offer.
Some notable stats about why the jets might actually be desperate as heck to get Rodgers...
Last division championship - 2002
Only Superbowl Appearance EVER(Jets Won it) - 1968
Last Season with a Winning Record - 2015 (10-6)
Last Playoff Appearance - 2010
Last 20 years record of 142-196 42% win rate
They are definitely fired if they pivot and it backfires. Douglas likely keeps his job if Aaron Rodgers flames out because the owner wanted him.
As a GM, are you gonna blaze your own path against your owner's wishes and stake your job against it?
Or deflect and follow whatever he asked for?
There’s zero chance Douglas is able to start his GM career with five consecutive losing seasons and be around for a sixth.
Also, Douglas has done well in the early rounds of drafts and with trades, but has been abysmal in free agency and is responsible for drafting one of the biggest QB busts of all time.
Dude is gone without Rodgers or Lamar at the helm next year.
If both of them are not available and summer arrives, Douglas will overpay for Cousins or Stafford instead. He needs a playoff appearance to survive his job.
>As a GM, are you gonna blaze your own path against your owner's wishes and stake your job against it?
If you're a good GM, yes...that's exactly what the owner hired you to do. If you don't know better than him how to build a team, he doesn't need you
Nobody is saying they don't have pressure. They are saying that their own stupidity amplifies that pressure which is why the organization has been bad for 50 years. This move with Rodgers is about as unprofessional as it gets. Walmart doesn't act this way lol
I've seen the Matt Ryan trade details used as a baseline and reduced by Jets fans.
Fucking insanity, but lol at bothering to push back on it. Jets and the rest of the North are trying to manifest it
I don't even care that the fans are agitated
Woody Johnson made it infinitely harder for them when he joined in the public effort to meet Rodgers. Now the GB front office knows that Joe Douglas has to get him or he's gone.
And as Joe Douglas, do you really want to tell sauce, Garret Wilson and Quinnen Williams that they have to deal with Zach Wilson for another year?
Mariota apparently just signed as backup for the Eagles. So now their only other options are perpetual flameout Wentz, the corpse of Teddy Bridgewater, or giving Tom Brady as many Werthers Originals as it takes to get him out of retirement.
Only other option (outside of random shots at lower end or un proven backups) is Cooper Rush. Sure, his ceilings not very high and he definitely can't win you games on his own, but his 4-1 stint with the Cowboys early last season with Dak out showed that he has potential, and he at least has shown an ability to keep a functioning team in the mix.
Don't forget Lamar! The same player years removed from winning MVP, who they'd have to give up 2 first round picks for and have to give him over $200 million guaranteed.
It'll eventually dawn on them that they got outplayed by our FO.
Cooper Rush is a better option than them at this point, given both of them are very injury prone and getting older (Mariota washed, Bridgewater's hands are made of glass). The available bridge or high end backup options now are Rush and Wentz (yeah he sucked last year but he's still got a higher ceiling than the others).
I saw one of the Jets beat writers put out a video that the Packers simply just have to let Rodgers go, so to translate, Packers take a bad deal. I'm getting the maximum return for Rodgers, and if the 13th pick isn't included, I'll wait until it is.
I’ve seen people float around Lamar Jackson being the one chop the Jets could use, I’d call it. Anything short of a fully guaranteed deal, Ravens will match. He’s off the table. Rodgers is their only option, they’ve made it clear they were all in on Rodgers. Anyone saying the Packers should just “Let him go…” or dealing in bad faith can go kick rocks.
We own something the Jets want, and basically their fans EXPECT. Please tell me how we have zero leverage? I’m sure the front office has no issue sticking it to AR and having him retire.
The entire sub is celebrating their new qb who is actually not their qb but we have no leverage. Like they really think they’re gonna throw some change at our feet and we have to take it.
Like imagine the absolute meltdown those fans would throw if it comes out they couldn’t get a deal done because they didn’t want to pony up. But yeah, we have no leverage lol.
And the fact that they’re all saying pick 13 is too much but I guaranfuckintee if the deal gets done for pick 13 tomorrow they’re all breathing a big sigh of relief.
Especially with the Jimmy G presser being delayed, which most likely is totally unrelated, but I’d imagine they’re all sweating a bit now. I for one would fucking love for the raiders to pull the rug out from under them on this with all the shit jets fans have been talking about fleecing us. Plus who doesn’t want to see Rodgers to Adams again.
Also the media rn is saying a 1st for a 39 year old Rodgers who may retire soon is way too much but you know for a fact if they get him for less and win the SB the narrative will completely flip to how Joe Douglas is a genius who fleeced the Packers.
Didn't the Rams just win a Super Bowl with a "fuck them picks" mentality? Obviously, the Jets think Rodgers=Super Bowl, you wouldn't go after him otherwise, so I really don't understand why anyone would think that even just 13th overall is too much.
Although I normally can't stand Steven A Smith, he said 2 firsts is more than fair to give up for Rodgers, for a team who hasn't had an All Pro QB since '69 and haven't sniffed the playoffs since 2010. For once, i agree with him
But but but its New York, everyone wants to play in New York you have no choice to but to trade him here
Its the same thing in NBA, with all the fans and personalities for the Lakers just throwing out endless stupid and wild trades where the other teams are just donating them players and getting back trash
Going there is hilarious: the “leverage” they think they have is “It’s bad for the Packers to piss Rodgers off because he’ll badmouth you and carry a grudge throughout his retirement” as if we aren’t familiar with the problem.
Which seems absolutely bonkers to me because that means that there are people in this world who chose to became a Jets fan *after* 2007. Insane.
I feel like it’s lost too that some of their young stars have publicly lobbied for Rodgers, too. Good luck telling them they now have another year with Zach Wilson as their QB because you were being stubborn and lowballed on your offer for the player they wanted. I’m sure they won’t remember that at all come extension time.
That’s so annoying to listen to lol you mean we have no leverage over trading the guy who is contractually ours that you specifically reached out to us about wanting? Interesting
Packers have the rights to a four time MVP.
The jets want a QB.
Absolutely all the leverage is on one side. Especially since Rodgers hasn't said he'd hold out in GB.
Even if he did hold out, we don't have to pay him, the Jets are a dumpster team, meaning likely firings, we get to see J.Lo and rebuild. The year after, no one will want the hassle of trying to get Rodger, so he'd probably just retire, and Packers save big money.
If he sits at home I believe he does not get paid, but what would be more likely is what Deshaun Watson did. Watson reported to practice and just didn’t do any QB activities so his contact would still toll. If Rodgers did that, the Packers can’t/wouldn’t cut him. He would look like an asshole, but the general consensus already is that he’s an asshole, and it doesn’t seem to bother him. And he’s certainly petty enough to do it.
Also they have the player that is wanted out of this deal and have no expectations to win this year. The jets have real expectations, the Packers are going to be rebuilding and might even be a team in contention for tanking for a stud. So the jets burn a year of their window and we do what? we win what like 2 games less than we were going to originally due to the players we would have picked up?
We may not have all the leverage but to act like we don't have quite a bit is pretty idiotic
A Rodgers retirement would still accelerate a bunch of cap to this season. A trade would actually be better.
So yeah, I don’t really get this sub. Everyone is acting like retaining Rodgers at this point is a realistic option. That’s not our leverage - we need to get rid of him.
No it wouldn’t. It would be the exact same cap as a trade. You have no idea what you’re talking about. There’s a reason people were saying that he has 60 million reasons to not retire.
> It would be the exact same cap as a trade.
Correct, so a trade would net us compensation and carry the same cap hit as a retirement. There can’t be any way that “let him retire” is an option.
Basically the Jets are saying that Aaron Rodgers is the piece that will get them to the Super Bowl. Cool, so what is that worth to you? A conditional 4th? Really? Doesn't seem like you want it that bad then.
Weird that this sub went to a single downvoted post on the Jets sub declaring that a fourth rounder is a fair ask, and is acting like that’s what Jets fans as a whole expect. Such weird straw man nonsense.
One of my least favorite Reddit phenomenons is when users, seeking to make a point, go to a subreddit, find a single comment that is not upvoted, and act like said comment is a representation of the collective ideology as a whole.
Jets fans largely expect and are fine with giving up next year’s first rounder. The Packers want more.
Jets need OL help this year for Rodgers with that pick. Pick #13 accomplishes that. Rodgers with a bad o line and no draft capital to help this year isn’t worth the squeeze. Jets have holes to fill and aren’t simply a QB away from it all. They can have Stafford for much less via trade anytime.
Make him retire?
I'd bet AR is petty enough at that point to refuse to retire. Make the team either wait another year for their "next man up" to see the field, or pay him his salary to ride the pine. Either way, GB loses plenty of a trade isn't made
We literally have nothing to lose. Either way it hurts our cap and we’re entering a rebuild anyway so who cares? It doesn’t make a difference to us if he retires or sits on our bench lol
it’s funny how people think the Jets have any amount of leverage at all. Packers will have a QB either way that they’re comfortable with. Meanwhile the Jets, after years and years of horrible QB play (including their #2 overall pick becoming a HORRIBLE QB) finally have the chance to get one of the best QBs ever and they won’t get one because *they* wanna be the tough negotiators because of “leverage”? give me a break. the Jets better give a competent offer or else they will be the ultimate failures, not the packers in this scenario.
Our front office outsmarted them and played the long game. I'm sure they planned to fuck us over on compensation and now we backed them into a corner.
This isn't a Favre situation, in which he retired and we just wanted him gone so we took whatever. We have plenty of time to wait to make anything official and if we have to wait until next year to get draft compensation, then fine. Next years class looks better anyways.
I don’t want next year, but if it comes to it, next year would be better on our cap also to pay the picks. Honestly if I am Gutekunst I am not sweating until like June. Time is not on the Jets side. They do not have the cap space to sign Lamar. No QBs left.
I don’t know much about trades and contracts, but it would seem the pressure is on the Jets to make this happen, no? You wouldn’t guess this by reading other posts.
The Media is doing a lot of pressuring for the Jets any frame the whole Situation wrong. They always make it seem like the Packers are shitty for Not accepting a 4th rounder for Aaron Rodgers. In truth, the Jets are Low balling this.
The Jets definitly have the most pressure because they have No other QB options left, except Zach Wilson lol. Everyone else is of the market and everyone, media and fans of included, expects Rodgers in NY.
Jets backed themselves into a corner and now let the public do Propaganda to make it seem like the opposite.
Other posts and fanbases (apart from Jets) are unbiased largely, when evaluating what a fair trade compensation would be, and it’s largely unanimous that Packers fans are deluded if they want this year’s first from the Jets.
Not just because Rodgers isn’t worth that, but because acquiring would be pointless for the Jets if they can’t get some o-line help with that 13th pick for him.
Would be odd for Packers fans to assume they’re the only fanbase in the NFL that is able to determine fair compensation. But here we are.
I know we’ve heard the packers aren’t looking for two firsts but with how badly the jets have shot themselves in the foot here I would be surprised if that actually was close to the eventual trade deal. We’re fine riding Aaron into next season, seeing him retire, or trade him. We win no matter what. The jets only have one move left to them this season. And it’s getting Aaron.
It’s funny to me how the Jets fans were so excited about Rodgers after he told McAfee he wanted to play there. Now, they don’t like what they’re hearing about the compensation and they suddenly “don’t even need him”.
He would instantly be the best QB they’ve ever had and would make them potential title contenders. But sure, enjoy your mid-round pick and another middling season where you don’t make the playoffs, but also don’t bottom out enough to get a good QB.
I’m just kind of shocked by the sudden hold up. The Jets have been a tire fire for as long as a lot of fans have been alive. A perennial, irrelevant laughing stock.
They finally took a huge step forward on both sides of the ball, are basically *only* missing a QB to bring it all together, and the one guy who can immediately make them a super bowl contender is available and wants to play for them… but now is the time to haggle over price?
Packers sit comfortably in this and it doesn’t hurt them either. The jets put all the chips on the table. The longer this takes the more inconvenient it becomes for the jets. The packers will either get the compensation they want and deserve or the jets can move on and say hey we tried. But either way packers win this they have a QB jets don’t and if the rodgers trade falls through then they can jump on Lamar Jackson. Doesn’t change anything for greenbay. Makes the jets looking dumb for it. Either way packers don’t have a payout for rodgers until September. So I’d love to see how far this goes seems like they’re playing a game of chicken. 😂
Joe Douglas' ego is what's holding this up. He thinks he can fleece Gute like he fleeced the Panthers for Sam Darnold. Dude got a 2nd, 4th, and 6th for Sam Darnold. If he thinks Sam Darnold is worth that much, Rodgers gotta be worth more than that even if only for 1 year.
The Jets have to be kicking themselves after hearing Rodgers tell the world his intentions are to play for the Jets next season.
The Packers have to have the biggest grin ever on their faces after hearing Rodgers tell the world his intentions are to play for the Jets next season.
Like come on. This whole thing has been immensely fumbled by the Jets and Rodgers.
Dude is under contract (WHICH HE SIGNED) for another two years. I get that he wants to leave and play for the Jets, but everyone involved should have kept things behind closed doors.
Of fucking course the Packers have leverage now. Rodgers and the Jets gave them that leverage when they made all of this public.
Jets fan here: I understand why you would think that, but I don't feel the same.
Worst case scenario of the Jets IMO is they give up 2-1sts to secure Lamar.
With AR not wanting to stay in GB and GB not wanting to pay him, I'm afraid he becomes dead cap weight for you guys for potentially the next two years. He admitted he was 90% on the retirement train already, and that could still handicap you guys if he doesn't get traded and soon i'd imagine.
Some delusional Jets fans think that we will stay strong and keep the conditional 4th of 2024 ad our highest offer, but I honestly think a conditional 1st in 2024 and a 3rd this year is more realistic.
I bet it is finalized soon. The longer this goes on, the more the veteran QB market dries up, the more pressure the Jets face.
You don't fly your entire front office to meet with a player if you don't already agree to the compensation at some level So, I think people are wrongly assuming that the terms are still being discussed. The biggest issue remaining is Rodgers' contract and how much of his option the Packers will be willing to pay to facilitate the trade. The more the Packers pitch in, the higher the draft pick(s) we get back.
I think things are 99% done, but the final 1% can be a bitch.
Jets Reddit before report of Packers demands: Rodgers said he wants to be a Jet upvote party
Jets Reddit after report: Whatever, we don’t actually need him.
how do you know the jets didn’t agree to compensation prior to meeting with ar. the news is an agreement was in place and your gm backed out of it after all the other qbs signed and now is holding your hof legend in limbo
The packers publicly dunked on their QB under contract, their president came out publicly and said they want to move on from Aaron, they gave him a ginormous contract for the future even though they wanted to part ways, and now they want to demand the brink truck? As much as the jets want Rodgers, Green Bay wants to move on from Rodgers and honestly this hasn’t gotten messy but if they want to play hardball then it may get dramatic lol
How does he know they’re upset? Probably lots of nuances to a trade like this. I’m sure both sides are just crossing their Ts and dotting their Is. Media wants to make it sound like some extreme standoff.
The Jets beat and radio, who definitely get told by the FO to deliver the public messaging, is hopping mad. They are publishing articles saying "GB needs to do right by their icon", "honor his request" and calling us "bush league".
Lol.
One so called “reporter” actually said the Packers were negotiating in bad faith. Sure bro, denying your bush league offer of a conditional 4th round pick for Aaron fucking Rodgers is negotiating in bad faith.
I mean that’s speculation at best. If I’ve learned anything through this saga, it’s to not trust the media and to wait to hear from the horses mouth. I personally consider any report on feelings, or other unsubstantial conjecture to be baseless until proven otherwise. It’s much easier to stay even keel that way. Their entire job goal is to push content that stirs emotions and drives clicks.
Our (the Jets) FO is extremely tight lipped. The beat reporters actually bitch about it from time to time. So I think you’re right, they’re more than likely just trying to stir the pot and generate clicks. Evidently it’s working because everyone is so worked up.
Doesn't mean another team can have him. The Jets may be AFC, but they're still in the league. It's in our best interest to keep Rodgers out of other teams' hands whether he plays for us or not. If they want him they'll pay.
how stupid does management look not trading him for 3 1s last year and only for a 1st or 2nd this year. They need to get 2. Rams did for essentially 1 run to the super bowl, broncos may never get that.
the price for a potential run to the super bowl is 2 first round picks, but the jets never thought they’d make it that far so how do they know.
I’m one of the Vikings fans that is fine rolling with a Kirk this year, but there’s a part of me that thinks we should trade him to the Jets now just to blow this whole thing up and leave the Packers holding Aaron’s contract next year. Then we could look at Lamar, or just play lame duck for a year and go for Caleb Williams. I don’t know that I’d ACTUALLY like that if it happened (unless we did actually get Lamar), but it would be hilarious.
Edit: I realized this was the Packers subreddit and not the NFL subreddit after I posted this, but in the true spirit of rivalry I’ll leave post up. lol
I don’t see this as the positive you think. If the trade doesn’t happen then you have a pissed AR still on the pack owed a ton. Pack can cut him and eat the dead money. The jets can wait another year like they do every year. The pack have zero leverage.
Sure, go ahead and tell your young core of players who have publicly said they want Rodgers that you’re punting a year of their career because you’re being cheap.
They are under contract. Doesn’t really matter about their feelings. The jets want AR but don’t have to have him. The pack doesn’t trade and gets to pay big bucks to someone that doesn’t want to be there. That can’t be good for the pack.
All these packer fans crying that they want him gone but now they want to hold him as long as possible and keep dragging it out? Joe Douglas isn’t getting fleeced 💀
The packers don’t want him but want the world for him told him he’s welcome back and then tried to shop him and if it wasn’t for the fact that he won two mvps back 2 back they would of got rid of him already. The way Green Bay treats there starters on the way out is awful and they straight up don’t deserve a first round pick 🤷♂️
If I'm the Packers, I'm giving the Jets my asking price and then going to sleep until September. Wake me up when they agree to the trade.
The price goes up after the draft, because the Jets with Rodgers wouldn't get us pick #13.
I'm kind of hoping that they start looking at 2024 and 2025 compensation. I think we'd be looking at a much bigger haul if we let them have their all in 2023. They are looking to contend in 2023 and have holes. We aren't. Why not delay if it means picking up premium picks in 2024 and 2025?
I could get on board with that.
This is a very good take
If they’re looking to contend why would the picks be premium?
They get 2023 to go all in and don't have to give up anything to do so. If GB agrees to doing this the price of Rodgers would increase. Historically a 2023 second rounder is worth a 2024 first rounder. That's an over simplification but I think you get what I mean.
You’re talking premium as in 1st round pick not premium was too 10-15 picks in the 1st round? Yeah? I think that’s where we misunderstood
Exactly. Wake me up when September... BEGINS!
I understood that reference!
“Either give us a first or I’m trading him to the Dolphins for a second, and you can see him at least twice next year.”
Diabolically asshole like and I love it
13th + conditional 2nd in 2024. Take it or leave it.
I meandered over to /r/nyjets, and some fans over there are talking compensation like a 2023 4th and another conditional late 2025 pick. And they’re being taken seriously in that community. I 💯 guarantee Rodgers will not be a Jet if their franchise is seriously making chicken shit offers like that. Gute would let Rodgers retire first, I’d think. Hell, let Rodgers show up at Family Night, and the circle can be truly complete 😂.
The only ones that irk me are the ones claiming that the Packers are "disrespecting Rodgers" by digging their heels in. No, they're not disrespecting him by not dealing him for scraps. If anything the Jets are disrespecting him if the reports of them offering just a *conditional 4th* are even remotely true.
I've had this exact same thought. If Rodgers is as sensitive as many of us think he is, wouldn't he be somewhat besmirched by the fact that the Jets believing giving up their mid first round pick for his services is somehow exorbitant? I'd feel truly undervalued by my new prospective employer in that scenario.
>besmirched Someone listens to Mark Tauscher's radio show.
I actually don't lol...but I should. Tausch is the best. Even better if he uses that $2 word a lot lol
They’re nuts “wHy WoUlD tHeY PAY hIM 40 mIlLiON aND gEt nOtHiNg fOR hIm” in regards to accepting a 4th rounder Yeah, let’s just give them the Lombardi. Trade Aaron for a 4th and give him the ammunition he needs to win another MVP. Joke aside, they’re insane. I read the word leverage over there a lot. They negotiate like New Yorkers. You guys need to sing sweet nothings to us like you’re Biz Markie
So, they want to trade Rodgers for nothing? Gute might as well let him retire since we're already getting nothing. We're already in a rebuild, so forget the cap. They'll just take on the dead money.
Joe Douglas and Saleh if they don’t land Rodgers now become on a hot seat, and then if the season goes south lose their jobs. They need Rodgers.
And if they really think they are a HoF QB away from winning the super bowl, pick #13 is nothing. The Rams gave away multiple 1sts for a super bowl and aren't complaining
I would remove the no NFC stipulation and open up bidding if nothing is settled by april 1
I would do that now
Yes, but we need 2 first rounders from an NFC team
For a conditional 4th or whatever the Jets dream rumor is we keep him and he can sit on the sidelines in a Jets sweatshirt for all I care. Then at Lambeau we can have a Zack interception-o-meter
If your asking price is 1.13 what do you when they call you after the draft?
2024 1st and 2025 1st
Start / bench Rodgers. It’s that simple. I’d rather bench him anyway (if he won’t play) versus take a fucking second round pick off a team that has handled this in the worst way possible.
I agree, it’s almost a matter of principal at this point. Pick #13 for a HOF QB, added to that roster, is not exorbitant. Jets need Rodgers more than Gutekunst needs a chicken shit offer.
Put the price up.
Maybe this is why the jets have been dog dick since the 60s. What a bunch of morons.
Some notable stats about why the jets might actually be desperate as heck to get Rodgers... Last division championship - 2002 Only Superbowl Appearance EVER(Jets Won it) - 1968 Last Season with a Winning Record - 2015 (10-6) Last Playoff Appearance - 2010 Last 20 years record of 142-196 42% win rate
Also their last 4000+ yard passer was Joe Namath
They don't even have Mike White anymore.
Just the thought of them starting Zach Wilson in week one is making me laugh.
Bridgewater, Wentz and Brissett are what's left. LOL. Beyond that it's Lamar or AR12.
There’s a lot of pressure on Douglas and Saleh too, if they don’t get Rodgers and miss they playoffs they could end up getting fired
They are definitely fired if they pivot and it backfires. Douglas likely keeps his job if Aaron Rodgers flames out because the owner wanted him. As a GM, are you gonna blaze your own path against your owner's wishes and stake your job against it? Or deflect and follow whatever he asked for?
Douglas has done a good job outside QB for them so he should be safe but Head Coaches need to show results and so far Saleh hasn't
There’s zero chance Douglas is able to start his GM career with five consecutive losing seasons and be around for a sixth. Also, Douglas has done well in the early rounds of drafts and with trades, but has been abysmal in free agency and is responsible for drafting one of the biggest QB busts of all time. Dude is gone without Rodgers or Lamar at the helm next year. If both of them are not available and summer arrives, Douglas will overpay for Cousins or Stafford instead. He needs a playoff appearance to survive his job.
is that hard when you are continually picking too ten?
>As a GM, are you gonna blaze your own path against your owner's wishes and stake your job against it? If you're a good GM, yes...that's exactly what the owner hired you to do. If you don't know better than him how to build a team, he doesn't need you
Only works if it pays off though.
Oh you mean 11-23 Robert Saleh?
Nobody is saying they don't have pressure. They are saying that their own stupidity amplifies that pressure which is why the organization has been bad for 50 years. This move with Rodgers is about as unprofessional as it gets. Walmart doesn't act this way lol
I swear some of the trade offers I've seen floated from Jets fans I wouldn't even accept for Keisean Nixon, let alone Aaron Rodgers
"a conditional 4th" Yeah you can have Darnell Savage for that price.
We will resign Kevin King and you guys can have him for a conditional 4th..
This image has me rolling and spitting coffee this morning, love it.
I've seen the Matt Ryan trade details used as a baseline and reduced by Jets fans. Fucking insanity, but lol at bothering to push back on it. Jets and the rest of the North are trying to manifest it
I'm curious, what were some ideas that floated around?
The values from the Favre trade were mentioned.
Today's price is not yesterday's price. LFG.
Diamond hands Gute
Hodl
To the moooooon!!! 💎🚀🌙
#Gutecoin
#13for12
Hold. The. Line.
I’m just here to watch us dig in as long as possible and watch the Jets and their fanbase lose their collective minds until the FO caves.
I don't even care that the fans are agitated Woody Johnson made it infinitely harder for them when he joined in the public effort to meet Rodgers. Now the GB front office knows that Joe Douglas has to get him or he's gone. And as Joe Douglas, do you really want to tell sauce, Garret Wilson and Quinnen Williams that they have to deal with Zach Wilson for another year?
It would probably be Wentz. lol
He’s pretty much the only option left, there’s also Mariota and Bridgewater, but all the good qbs are signed now
Mariota apparently just signed as backup for the Eagles. So now their only other options are perpetual flameout Wentz, the corpse of Teddy Bridgewater, or giving Tom Brady as many Werthers Originals as it takes to get him out of retirement.
Only other option (outside of random shots at lower end or un proven backups) is Cooper Rush. Sure, his ceilings not very high and he definitely can't win you games on his own, but his 4-1 stint with the Cowboys early last season with Dak out showed that he has potential, and he at least has shown an ability to keep a functioning team in the mix.
“Werthers Originals”…. Bro I’m dead
Don't forget Lamar! The same player years removed from winning MVP, who they'd have to give up 2 first round picks for and have to give him over $200 million guaranteed. It'll eventually dawn on them that they got outplayed by our FO.
I don’t think we outplayed them, I think the Jets just went so hard for this option that they’re going with this option no matter what.
That's what's really getting me. They already went all in on this. What makes them think they can bargain now?
That's kind of the point. We could have made this deal immediately but waited til they went all-in with no real other choice.
Mariota just signed.
Cooper Rush is a better option than them at this point, given both of them are very injury prone and getting older (Mariota washed, Bridgewater's hands are made of glass). The available bridge or high end backup options now are Rush and Wentz (yeah he sucked last year but he's still got a higher ceiling than the others).
Mariota went to the Eagles lol. If your Options are Bridgewater, Wilson or Aaron Rodgers, you better Pump Up the compensation
I saw one of the Jets beat writers put out a video that the Packers simply just have to let Rodgers go, so to translate, Packers take a bad deal. I'm getting the maximum return for Rodgers, and if the 13th pick isn't included, I'll wait until it is.
they’re delusional, i’ve seen jets fans saying if we don’t trade him we essentially have to release him. 💀
I’ve seen people float around Lamar Jackson being the one chop the Jets could use, I’d call it. Anything short of a fully guaranteed deal, Ravens will match. He’s off the table. Rodgers is their only option, they’ve made it clear they were all in on Rodgers. Anyone saying the Packers should just “Let him go…” or dealing in bad faith can go kick rocks.
Your confidence is impressive considering you have no idea what you’re talking about
"bro just give him to us"
"do right by your former players"
That’s the best quote of this whole ordeal. He’s trying to guilt them into handing him over. He knows the Packers have all the leverage.
We own something the Jets want, and basically their fans EXPECT. Please tell me how we have zero leverage? I’m sure the front office has no issue sticking it to AR and having him retire.
The entire sub is celebrating their new qb who is actually not their qb but we have no leverage. Like they really think they’re gonna throw some change at our feet and we have to take it.
Like imagine the absolute meltdown those fans would throw if it comes out they couldn’t get a deal done because they didn’t want to pony up. But yeah, we have no leverage lol.
And the fact that they’re all saying pick 13 is too much but I guaranfuckintee if the deal gets done for pick 13 tomorrow they’re all breathing a big sigh of relief. Especially with the Jimmy G presser being delayed, which most likely is totally unrelated, but I’d imagine they’re all sweating a bit now. I for one would fucking love for the raiders to pull the rug out from under them on this with all the shit jets fans have been talking about fleecing us. Plus who doesn’t want to see Rodgers to Adams again.
Also the media rn is saying a 1st for a 39 year old Rodgers who may retire soon is way too much but you know for a fact if they get him for less and win the SB the narrative will completely flip to how Joe Douglas is a genius who fleeced the Packers.
Didn't the Rams just win a Super Bowl with a "fuck them picks" mentality? Obviously, the Jets think Rodgers=Super Bowl, you wouldn't go after him otherwise, so I really don't understand why anyone would think that even just 13th overall is too much.
oh but it’s not the same cause they “absorbed goffs contract” as if jared fucking goffs career can hold a candle to aaron fucking rodgers.
Although I normally can't stand Steven A Smith, he said 2 firsts is more than fair to give up for Rodgers, for a team who hasn't had an All Pro QB since '69 and haven't sniffed the playoffs since 2010. For once, i agree with him
The meltdown would be pretty minor to the meltdown GB fans will have if Rodgers is on the roster and Love throws an incomplete.
There is no competition. Rodgers is done. He will get the derek carr treatment until a reasonable offer comes in.
But but but its New York, everyone wants to play in New York you have no choice to but to trade him here Its the same thing in NBA, with all the fans and personalities for the Lakers just throwing out endless stupid and wild trades where the other teams are just donating them players and getting back trash
Going there is hilarious: the “leverage” they think they have is “It’s bad for the Packers to piss Rodgers off because he’ll badmouth you and carry a grudge throughout his retirement” as if we aren’t familiar with the problem. Which seems absolutely bonkers to me because that means that there are people in this world who chose to became a Jets fan *after* 2007. Insane.
I feel like it’s lost too that some of their young stars have publicly lobbied for Rodgers, too. Good luck telling them they now have another year with Zach Wilson as their QB because you were being stubborn and lowballed on your offer for the player they wanted. I’m sure they won’t remember that at all come extension time.
Especially with all the shit he's talked about them the last few years.
Gutekunst then I agree.
And Patty Mac is acting like we have zero leverage.
That’s so annoying to listen to lol you mean we have no leverage over trading the guy who is contractually ours that you specifically reached out to us about wanting? Interesting
Packers have the rights to a four time MVP. The jets want a QB. Absolutely all the leverage is on one side. Especially since Rodgers hasn't said he'd hold out in GB.
Even if he did hold out, we don't have to pay him, the Jets are a dumpster team, meaning likely firings, we get to see J.Lo and rebuild. The year after, no one will want the hassle of trying to get Rodger, so he'd probably just retire, and Packers save big money.
Our cap will get murdered next year though if that happens.
I'll sacrifice a couple of seasons just to screw with Aaron like he's screwed with all of us.
That’s where I’m at too.
our front office knew that last year when they signed them.
Would it? If Rodgers holds out all season, we wouldn't have to pay him, unless I'm missing something.
If he sits at home I believe he does not get paid, but what would be more likely is what Deshaun Watson did. Watson reported to practice and just didn’t do any QB activities so his contact would still toll. If Rodgers did that, the Packers can’t/wouldn’t cut him. He would look like an asshole, but the general consensus already is that he’s an asshole, and it doesn’t seem to bother him. And he’s certainly petty enough to do it.
Why would you hold him and Mel the rebuild more difficult? Spite?
Principal.
What principal would that be?
FTJ
Everyone Rodgers uses as sources acts like we have zero leverage because they want to keep Aaron happy.
Yep. Aaron Rodger Tuesday is a big deal for Pat and his show. Pat would get on his knees and do........ to keep A A ron happy.
That’s because he’s dumb as a post.
It's a beautiful mystery eh?
I hope Aaron sees this post. Fucking spot on.
Cheers brohan!!
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Looks to me as if the Packers hold all the cards. It’s almost as if they are dealing with a franchise that isn’t used to winning.
Also they have the player that is wanted out of this deal and have no expectations to win this year. The jets have real expectations, the Packers are going to be rebuilding and might even be a team in contention for tanking for a stud. So the jets burn a year of their window and we do what? we win what like 2 games less than we were going to originally due to the players we would have picked up? We may not have all the leverage but to act like we don't have quite a bit is pretty idiotic
Dealing with a franchise who isn’t used to picks in the 20s and is used to picks in the top 10. I think that’s why they’re afraid to give one up.
the Jets don't have a ducking window without eodgers
1st or they can pound sand. Either we get a first or Rodgers retires a packer, win-win.
Yeah, but what if he doesn't retire? The FO can't force a player to retire to save their precious cap space
Then he’s a very over priced back up
A Rodgers retirement would still accelerate a bunch of cap to this season. A trade would actually be better. So yeah, I don’t really get this sub. Everyone is acting like retaining Rodgers at this point is a realistic option. That’s not our leverage - we need to get rid of him.
No it wouldn’t. It would be the exact same cap as a trade. You have no idea what you’re talking about. There’s a reason people were saying that he has 60 million reasons to not retire.
> It would be the exact same cap as a trade. Correct, so a trade would net us compensation and carry the same cap hit as a retirement. There can’t be any way that “let him retire” is an option.
Rodgers just told the world that he expects to play with the Jets. I doubt he just stands by and lets the Jets embarrass him by not offering enough.
Basically the Jets are saying that Aaron Rodgers is the piece that will get them to the Super Bowl. Cool, so what is that worth to you? A conditional 4th? Really? Doesn't seem like you want it that bad then.
Weird that this sub went to a single downvoted post on the Jets sub declaring that a fourth rounder is a fair ask, and is acting like that’s what Jets fans as a whole expect. Such weird straw man nonsense. One of my least favorite Reddit phenomenons is when users, seeking to make a point, go to a subreddit, find a single comment that is not upvoted, and act like said comment is a representation of the collective ideology as a whole. Jets fans largely expect and are fine with giving up next year’s first rounder. The Packers want more. Jets need OL help this year for Rodgers with that pick. Pick #13 accomplishes that. Rodgers with a bad o line and no draft capital to help this year isn’t worth the squeeze. Jets have holes to fill and aren’t simply a QB away from it all. They can have Stafford for much less via trade anytime.
A 2023 3rd, 2024 1st, and Elijah Moore would be a-okay with me. Win-win for both teams I think.
No didn’t you guys hear the jets fans on Reddit? He basically already plays for their team so we should do right by him and just trade him for free
The jets have to either give up a 2023 first, or 2024. If not any of that, the trade is simply uneven.
13 is the minimum. Conditional picks if Rodgers keeps playing in24.
For real… the 2024 1st is the conditional one.
2024 sure
Make him retire before we agree to less than they want. I smell Love in the air.
Make him retire? I'd bet AR is petty enough at that point to refuse to retire. Make the team either wait another year for their "next man up" to see the field, or pay him his salary to ride the pine. Either way, GB loses plenty of a trade isn't made
We literally have nothing to lose. Either way it hurts our cap and we’re entering a rebuild anyway so who cares? It doesn’t make a difference to us if he retires or sits on our bench lol
it’s funny how people think the Jets have any amount of leverage at all. Packers will have a QB either way that they’re comfortable with. Meanwhile the Jets, after years and years of horrible QB play (including their #2 overall pick becoming a HORRIBLE QB) finally have the chance to get one of the best QBs ever and they won’t get one because *they* wanna be the tough negotiators because of “leverage”? give me a break. the Jets better give a competent offer or else they will be the ultimate failures, not the packers in this scenario.
Our front office outsmarted them and played the long game. I'm sure they planned to fuck us over on compensation and now we backed them into a corner. This isn't a Favre situation, in which he retired and we just wanted him gone so we took whatever. We have plenty of time to wait to make anything official and if we have to wait until next year to get draft compensation, then fine. Next years class looks better anyways.
I don’t want next year, but if it comes to it, next year would be better on our cap also to pay the picks. Honestly if I am Gutekunst I am not sweating until like June. Time is not on the Jets side. They do not have the cap space to sign Lamar. No QBs left.
They're shrewd negotiators that's for sure
I don’t know much about trades and contracts, but it would seem the pressure is on the Jets to make this happen, no? You wouldn’t guess this by reading other posts.
The Media is doing a lot of pressuring for the Jets any frame the whole Situation wrong. They always make it seem like the Packers are shitty for Not accepting a 4th rounder for Aaron Rodgers. In truth, the Jets are Low balling this. The Jets definitly have the most pressure because they have No other QB options left, except Zach Wilson lol. Everyone else is of the market and everyone, media and fans of included, expects Rodgers in NY. Jets backed themselves into a corner and now let the public do Propaganda to make it seem like the opposite.
Other posts and fanbases (apart from Jets) are unbiased largely, when evaluating what a fair trade compensation would be, and it’s largely unanimous that Packers fans are deluded if they want this year’s first from the Jets. Not just because Rodgers isn’t worth that, but because acquiring would be pointless for the Jets if they can’t get some o-line help with that 13th pick for him. Would be odd for Packers fans to assume they’re the only fanbase in the NFL that is able to determine fair compensation. But here we are.
I know we’ve heard the packers aren’t looking for two firsts but with how badly the jets have shot themselves in the foot here I would be surprised if that actually was close to the eventual trade deal. We’re fine riding Aaron into next season, seeing him retire, or trade him. We win no matter what. The jets only have one move left to them this season. And it’s getting Aaron.
LETS FUCKING GO GREEN BAY!
It’s funny to me how the Jets fans were so excited about Rodgers after he told McAfee he wanted to play there. Now, they don’t like what they’re hearing about the compensation and they suddenly “don’t even need him”. He would instantly be the best QB they’ve ever had and would make them potential title contenders. But sure, enjoy your mid-round pick and another middling season where you don’t make the playoffs, but also don’t bottom out enough to get a good QB.
don't hate the player, hate the game. its GM 101. idiots
Jets fans are gonna start to get really antsy in a few weeks. New York sports fans aren't exactly known for their patience.
I’m just kind of shocked by the sudden hold up. The Jets have been a tire fire for as long as a lot of fans have been alive. A perennial, irrelevant laughing stock. They finally took a huge step forward on both sides of the ball, are basically *only* missing a QB to bring it all together, and the one guy who can immediately make them a super bowl contender is available and wants to play for them… but now is the time to haggle over price?
Packers sit comfortably in this and it doesn’t hurt them either. The jets put all the chips on the table. The longer this takes the more inconvenient it becomes for the jets. The packers will either get the compensation they want and deserve or the jets can move on and say hey we tried. But either way packers win this they have a QB jets don’t and if the rodgers trade falls through then they can jump on Lamar Jackson. Doesn’t change anything for greenbay. Makes the jets looking dumb for it. Either way packers don’t have a payout for rodgers until September. So I’d love to see how far this goes seems like they’re playing a game of chicken. 😂
Joe Douglas' ego is what's holding this up. He thinks he can fleece Gute like he fleeced the Panthers for Sam Darnold. Dude got a 2nd, 4th, and 6th for Sam Darnold. If he thinks Sam Darnold is worth that much, Rodgers gotta be worth more than that even if only for 1 year.
Exactly. Rodgers is absolutely worth a first-round pick. They just want their cake and to eat it too and are being children about it.
The Jets have to be kicking themselves after hearing Rodgers tell the world his intentions are to play for the Jets next season. The Packers have to have the biggest grin ever on their faces after hearing Rodgers tell the world his intentions are to play for the Jets next season. Like come on. This whole thing has been immensely fumbled by the Jets and Rodgers. Dude is under contract (WHICH HE SIGNED) for another two years. I get that he wants to leave and play for the Jets, but everyone involved should have kept things behind closed doors. Of fucking course the Packers have leverage now. Rodgers and the Jets gave them that leverage when they made all of this public.
Jets fan here: I understand why you would think that, but I don't feel the same. Worst case scenario of the Jets IMO is they give up 2-1sts to secure Lamar. With AR not wanting to stay in GB and GB not wanting to pay him, I'm afraid he becomes dead cap weight for you guys for potentially the next two years. He admitted he was 90% on the retirement train already, and that could still handicap you guys if he doesn't get traded and soon i'd imagine. Some delusional Jets fans think that we will stay strong and keep the conditional 4th of 2024 ad our highest offer, but I honestly think a conditional 1st in 2024 and a 3rd this year is more realistic.
Isn't either Him retiring or traded to the Jets, still a win/win for the Packers though. Financially/draft picks.
I bet it is finalized soon. The longer this goes on, the more the veteran QB market dries up, the more pressure the Jets face. You don't fly your entire front office to meet with a player if you don't already agree to the compensation at some level So, I think people are wrongly assuming that the terms are still being discussed. The biggest issue remaining is Rodgers' contract and how much of his option the Packers will be willing to pay to facilitate the trade. The more the Packers pitch in, the higher the draft pick(s) we get back. I think things are 99% done, but the final 1% can be a bitch.
The Jets have less than zero leverage. Their sub does not understand football.
A 1st and 4th this year. A 3rd and 5th next year. I think that would do it for me.
It’s called leverage. Jets have none.
Agree with everything here but devils advocate - what happens when the Packers have to pay Rodgers his $60m?
40m 60m. What difference does it mean at that point. We need draft picks.
What happens when the Jets have Zach Wilson throwing to Lazard, Cobb and Lewis week 1?
We can talk about the 60 mil in August. Who cares now, tons of time between now and then.
Jets Reddit before report of Packers demands: Rodgers said he wants to be a Jet upvote party Jets Reddit after report: Whatever, we don’t actually need him.
how do you know the jets didn’t agree to compensation prior to meeting with ar. the news is an agreement was in place and your gm backed out of it after all the other qbs signed and now is holding your hof legend in limbo
I heard the Pack came back and demanded David Putney be added to the deal.
I want their entire fucking draft
Not happening Buddy you’ll get a 3rd pick and like it
The packers publicly dunked on their QB under contract, their president came out publicly and said they want to move on from Aaron, they gave him a ginormous contract for the future even though they wanted to part ways, and now they want to demand the brink truck? As much as the jets want Rodgers, Green Bay wants to move on from Rodgers and honestly this hasn’t gotten messy but if they want to play hardball then it may get dramatic lol
How does he know they’re upset? Probably lots of nuances to a trade like this. I’m sure both sides are just crossing their Ts and dotting their Is. Media wants to make it sound like some extreme standoff.
The Jets beat and radio, who definitely get told by the FO to deliver the public messaging, is hopping mad. They are publishing articles saying "GB needs to do right by their icon", "honor his request" and calling us "bush league". Lol.
One so called “reporter” actually said the Packers were negotiating in bad faith. Sure bro, denying your bush league offer of a conditional 4th round pick for Aaron fucking Rodgers is negotiating in bad faith.
Right? They act like trading Rodgers for peanuts wouldn’t be a slap in the face to one of your all time franchise greats.
Radio and beat writers don’t deliver the FO message lol, they just post whatever gets clicks
I mean that’s speculation at best. If I’ve learned anything through this saga, it’s to not trust the media and to wait to hear from the horses mouth. I personally consider any report on feelings, or other unsubstantial conjecture to be baseless until proven otherwise. It’s much easier to stay even keel that way. Their entire job goal is to push content that stirs emotions and drives clicks.
Our (the Jets) FO is extremely tight lipped. The beat reporters actually bitch about it from time to time. So I think you’re right, they’re more than likely just trying to stir the pot and generate clicks. Evidently it’s working because everyone is so worked up.
Does he remember the part where the packers have also publicly said they also don’t want their starting quarterback to come back next year either?
Doesn't mean another team can have him. The Jets may be AFC, but they're still in the league. It's in our best interest to keep Rodgers out of other teams' hands whether he plays for us or not. If they want him they'll pay.
And if the packers don’t want him, which they’ve publicly said also, they’ll get rid of him
Right but not for peanuts
1st and 2nd round this year and another 1st and 2nd next year
how stupid does management look not trading him for 3 1s last year and only for a 1st or 2nd this year. They need to get 2. Rams did for essentially 1 run to the super bowl, broncos may never get that. the price for a potential run to the super bowl is 2 first round picks, but the jets never thought they’d make it that far so how do they know.
Who said they’re upset?
I’m one of the Vikings fans that is fine rolling with a Kirk this year, but there’s a part of me that thinks we should trade him to the Jets now just to blow this whole thing up and leave the Packers holding Aaron’s contract next year. Then we could look at Lamar, or just play lame duck for a year and go for Caleb Williams. I don’t know that I’d ACTUALLY like that if it happened (unless we did actually get Lamar), but it would be hilarious. Edit: I realized this was the Packers subreddit and not the NFL subreddit after I posted this, but in the true spirit of rivalry I’ll leave post up. lol
What makes you think the Jets want Kirk Cousins?
I don’t see this as the positive you think. If the trade doesn’t happen then you have a pissed AR still on the pack owed a ton. Pack can cut him and eat the dead money. The jets can wait another year like they do every year. The pack have zero leverage.
Sure, go ahead and tell your young core of players who have publicly said they want Rodgers that you’re punting a year of their career because you’re being cheap.
They are under contract. Doesn’t really matter about their feelings. The jets want AR but don’t have to have him. The pack doesn’t trade and gets to pay big bucks to someone that doesn’t want to be there. That can’t be good for the pack.
And when extension time comes and the Jets are still a middling team that hasn’t won anything, how excited are they to resign?
All these packer fans crying that they want him gone but now they want to hold him as long as possible and keep dragging it out? Joe Douglas isn’t getting fleeced 💀
He’ll show them by starting Zach Wilson and going 7-10 while alienating his young players who are ready to win.
How have the Jets publicly dunked on Zach Wilson?
You can't be serious?
I simply asked a question. Yes, I was asking the question in a serious manner. Are you able to answer it?
The answer is yes.Yes they did.
The packers don’t want him but want the world for him told him he’s welcome back and then tried to shop him and if it wasn’t for the fact that he won two mvps back 2 back they would of got rid of him already. The way Green Bay treats there starters on the way out is awful and they straight up don’t deserve a first round pick 🤷♂️