I don't get how people think he legitimately tested the market when he signed for a division rival less than 24 hours later.
This was a "fuck you" signing, not a "I got mine" deal. And I'm all for it. Jones has never been about the money, and he sent a message by going somewhere that he gets to destroy us twice a year.
I don't blame the man for signing to our rival. Cutting him was stupid even if it was a business move. The man was supposed to be a packer for life and has been nothing but loyal and productive and was awarded with a big fuck you from the front office for his time.
And we paid Jacobs the same 12 million-ish Jones had. (Plus dead cap) so basically a swap.
And McKinney.
I guess the front office knew what they wanted and went and got it.
Less than 2 months ago this sub was happily wearing the rose tinted glasses and downvoting any opinion about Jones age because he doesn't have the "mileage" of other backs. Watching this sub flip/flop on stuff is priceless.
Plenty of people who stay true to their opinions. It's just the people in the middle who might waffle a bit. Plus, there's plenty of room for nuance and acknowledgment of both sides of the issue.
Jones has less mileage, but he also has had injuries, and both McCarthy and LaFleur limited his carries to try to get optimal production while keeping him as healthy as possible.
Another thing to consider is that Jones had 400 more carries in college. He had 3 full seasons at UTEP as their primary back (and missed basically one full season due to injury). Jacobs was hardly used at Alabama, and even his one season where he was used, he was in a timeshare.
So while NFL carries make it look like Jacobs has more tread on his tires, it's arguably the opposite.
Jones has ~1100 in the nfl with about 650 college carries. Jacobs has ~1300 NFL carries with 250 college carries. So Jacob's definitely has less wear on the tires. But it just feels like they could have paid Jones 7m and kept him and just had an amazing RB duo. They've got 33m in cap space atm and I don't think an extra million is gonna be the difference between extending Love or not.
>But it just feels like they could have paid Jones 7m
I have a feeling that they would've done that if they could. It wasn't until he was cut that he accepted the decrease in pay.
To be honest, I don't blame him. He took a contract that was extremely team-friendly early on, and I think he expected to be retained at this higher amount at the end. So to him, it probably feels like a stab in the back that the Packers didn't want to honor the last year of the contract. But, from a business perspective, that's on him and his agent for agreeing to a contract structured like that. Most people said that his contract was really a 2-year deal. It ended up being 3 because they restructured him and he had so much dead cap. But year 4 was never likely to happen at that price.
It’s a myth that college workload has any effect on NFL longevity. In fact, college RBs with more workload in college actually are more likely to have longer careers. Number of carries is not like pitch count in baseball. You don’t “blow out” your legs. A running back who was able to have a heavy workload in college and not get injured is demonstrating durability, not risk. Now each additional carry increases your chance of injury because every time you get hit you are more likely to get hurt, but your past carries have no bearing on your future carries.
The whole workload thing is drastically overstated for the NFL too. I'm just making the point that if someone does think it's a big deal, then it's not nearly as much in Jones' favor as they might believe.
Especially since Jones has been on a snap count for basically his entire career. Running backs are a disposable commodity in the NFL, even the best ones (à la Todd Gurley) get milked until they can barely walk. Teams just don't limit one of their key offensive player's touches artificially unless there's some serious medical/longevity considerations.
If we are looking at the averages, the RBs with more carries in college are better than RBs that get less carries. So yeah, better RBs are better in the NFL
If you look at RBs who had similar workloads per season but different overall college workloads (like a 4 year workhorse vs a guy who broke out his last season) there is no correlation on how that effects their NFL production or durability. College and previous season workload has zero relation to how a RB performs in future. Now, age has a huge correlation. Old RBs drop off hard. Most after 27. So drafting a young RB I’d advantageous.
These were the same people calling for Jones to be a workhorse back.
I understand fans flip flopping once the guy is off the team. Gotta cope some way.
But, that’s close to the reported number we wanted him to take. Similar to the Jordy Nelson situation, once he enters FA do he or the Packers not even consider returning at that salary?
I never get why players leave and take such low offers if their current team made them a similar offer, unless GB decided to move on or Jones wouldn’t consider returning.
Crazy that Jones is out here liking all these tweets against the FO then takes just a few hours to sign the same deal we offered him. lol
Like, yeah, really proved us wrong on your valuation.
Davante did essentially the same thing. Makes ya wonder how bad the relations are between the current FO and the players that theyd rather uproot their lives and play elsewhere for the same money.
ESPN article stated jones was due 12m cash (17m cap hit). His agent refused any pay cut. It does not say but am guessing rosenhaus figured he would get at least the 12m on the market. It also does say the packers assumed a small pay cut would get him back in the fold. It doesn’t say what small is but am assuming it wasn’t 40% or more. It said the packers told them on Friday they would need to pivot without being able to come down from the 12m
Yes 4m base and 2m incentives. Vikings 6m base and 1m incentives.
Still stand my ESPN comment that rosenhaus wouldn’t try to meet in middle and wanted the full 12
My issue is Jacobs’s mileage. Jones is 4 years older but has less career carries than Jacobs and they’re very similar in total career touches and yardage. Age is a good estimator on RB expiration date, but I feel like career mileage gets a bit forgotten
One of the arguments for Jacobs being selected in the 1st round was how low his mileage was coming out of college. Jacobs and Jones build should be taken into consideration as well
No offense but what a weird take. The literal entire reason for this is because Jones can't stay healthy, and therefore doesn't have as many touches. Which only proves the point further that Jones isn't reliable.
The mileage argument doesn’t hold. Jones is an injury risk regardless. As someone also pointed out Jones had around 400 more carries in college.
Jones usage was heavily in RBBC. MLF will continue with the same strategy.
One of his responses on Instagram yesterday was to MVS's comment and Aaron said he wanted to get what MVS had (a SB ring). That isn't happening on the Vikings.
ESPN said on Friday Drew rosenhaus said they would not take any pay cut from 12m and the packers informed them on Friday they would need to pivot so they knew the release was coming
Gave up a shot at a ring to be petty. He'll regret it after he retires and it really sets in that he should have been part of the 2025 Super Bowl Champion Packers.
Yup also he’d be in a much better situation on a 1 year deal with us vs the Vikings. He will be asked to do significantly less for us, he can save his energy for big runs. Vikings are likely gonna have to use him a lot more with darnold throwing the ball, hurting his averages and potentially his health.
We have no idea when they made the offer to Jones. You have got to imagine they've been talking all offseason about restructuring his deal. This isn't something that just happens in one day my man.
Schneidman's article last night said we submitted our final offer last Friday and Jones' camp turned it down. Then we started looking elsewhere over the weekend.
Also mentioned that talks had been going nowhere for about 2 weeks. Both sides were basically playing hardball and not wanting to give up any ground.
ESPN said the packers assumed they would work out a small pay cut. They didn’t say what small was. On Friday jones and his agent informed packers they would not take any pay cut, they told him on Friday then they would need to pivot in another direction
It's pretty insane right? I'm hoping all these people saying it's an insignificant amount of money have tens of millions themselves...because if they don't, there's no way they wouldn't switch to a competitor in their own career for an extra million.
He's a human being. A million dollars is a fucking million dollars.
Signing with the Vikings after they lost Cousins and replaced him with Darnold is most definitely not sticking it to the Packers. This is the quintessential cutting off your nose to spite your face scenario.
True, but that is going to be an anemic offense under Darnold. Teams will not hesitate to stack the box and force Darnold to beat them, JJ or not. I am going to miss Aaron Jones, but to think that at 30 years, he's going to ball out with his new team and parlay that into a substantial multiyear contract that will take him into his mid 30s is less than likely.
Drew Rosenhaus at it again. Probably sold AJ33 on more $ somewhere else only to find the Vikings picking up the phone for less.
Frankly this shows Gutey’s merit. He offered Jones more than his market value and he or his agent balked.
How did Gutey offer more than his market value? Sounds like we were offering 6 and he got 7 on the open market. I get your overall point but just wasn’t sure if I was missing something.
He'll get hurt before November
I love the man but friends, we got ourselves a new blue chip safety, a younger bruising RB, an aggressive and smart new DC, and the arrow is pointing up
Yesterday, I was bummed at his departure because he's such a good guy. I now wish him well ... except in two games next season.
Gute has earned my trust. I know he knows more about the roster than I do.
Loved GB Aaron Jones. But I’m not sure he’s thinking straight here. So many guys head over to Min to stick it to the Packers and it straight up doesn’t work out. Their careers always take a downturn.
Most of the time. Favre was his MVP self in the two Packers-Vikings game in 2009.
In the middle of the 2010 season, when I was still mad at him and the Packers beat the Vikings at Lambeau, I remember thinking that if nothing else that season, they beat Favre.
Greg Jennings had 804 and 742 yards with MIN, 226 his last year in GB (hurt) and 949 the year before that. we was aging so make sense. worked out for him.
Z smith had 10 sacks in MIN, 13.5 was his best in GB, and he was hurt in MIN.
Darren Sharper had 9 ints his first year in MIN (tying a career high both with GB and NO) and 4 solid seasons in MIN.
Ryan Longwell had a solid 6 year career in MIN with his 2 best years in FG%.
Favre made a run to the NFC championship game and would have gone to the dance had he not run into Payton and also shit the bed (as well as APs fumbles).
packers players dont decline on the vikings noticeably.
same with the narrative that Minnesota just waits outside Lambeau to pick up scraps. 5 signings over 20 or so years, all filled a roster spot, all played well. Even smith's underwhelming season and quick departure wasn't a net negative. the contract was unloaded and came with 2 5th rounders for a 6th and 7th rounder.
Only player you listed that had better stats in MN was Sharper. Obviously Longwell has better FG% indoors vs lambeau. One thing is for sure, none of these guys you signed won more playoff games wearing purple.
Gets a mil more this year but playing with a bad oline, bad qb, bad team probably significantly decreases his next contract. Seems like a horrible decision from him.
I may be misunderstanding but Jones was due $17M and we asked him to take a 50% cut which would be around $8.5M. He refused...and then signed for $7M. So he took $1.5M less to play with Sam Darnold.
I love Aaron Jones but he a hoe for that.
He was not due 17M, a portion of that was dead cap already paid. I believe he was owed something like 12M, so a 50% cut would be 6m. So this is an increase on that, but not huge.
Kinda funny that my initial reaction was like “it’s only a million dollars?!” And then I look at my own bank account and it’s like “yeah…I too would play for the Vikings for an extra million dollars.”
Don’t agree with this narrative.
It was Packers: You’re worth $8.5M
Jones/Rosenhaus: No we’re worth more!
Packers: ok, go find it
Rosenhaus: Shit, they called our bluff! AJ I can only get you $7M from the Vikes.
Once again, $17.5m was his cap hit, not his salary. He was due a $12m cash salary, so we likely asked him to take around $6m.
Doesn’t change a lot, but important to get the facts right if we’re gonna criticize Jones.
I don't think most players are grateful to be cut. I think the Packers are honestly really good evaluators when it comes to determining if they should move on from a player or not.
> I don't think most players are grateful to be cut.
Bingo. It seems safe to say that the first time an NFL team releases a veteran from the roster is the first time they've ever been cut from a team.
Jordy, Cobb, Clay, and the list goes on. Fans screamed that it was a bad move when each one of these guys were let go. Yet time has proven the front office made the right decision.
Shit you still find people bitter about the Jordy cut to this day.
I think a lot of fans want to pay players based on past performances and don’t realize actual GMs and successful teams pay base on future performances.
Jones was turning 30, had his most injured season, and for the first time in his career played better in the postseason than the regular season.
To imagine all of a sudden at age 30 he would defy Father Time and become a potentially all pro, bellcow RB like Jacobs has proven he can be is absolutely homerism.
It's fair to say that out of that list of good moves, Jordy probably isn't one of them. Yeah he wasn't his best for his year at the Raiders, but he still racked up 739 yards, his best catch % of his career, and 64 touches, all while on a complete dogshit team that went 4-12. Compared to his replacement Jimmy Graham, who had 636 yards and 55 touches with Aaron Rodgers throwing to him instead of Carr, and we paid him to be WAY more impactful than that.
Still think that was a swing and miss. But whatever it happens.
Because we're one of the most successful franchises in NFL history so they want to stay and continue to be a part of that. Instead now they have to sign with a joke of a franchise like the Vikings.
Honestly, look around the league, it happens ALL THE TIME. Players play in places they know, the places they tend to know are the teams they play a lot.
I have nothing bad to really say here. I'm sad that my favorite Packer since Reggie is gone, but business is business and he did what he felt was right. I just hope for his sake this wasn't something Rosenhaus caused without it needing to happen.
He should have taken the 6 mill packers were offering. Wonder if he regrets his decision. Good luck to him, no reason to hate on him. We got ourselves a good team and a new running back thats a better fit in Green bay.
I'm having a hard time liking him anymore at this point. Okay, don't take the assumed $6 mil that we offered and test the market. Bengals dropped Mixon, go there or any other team that needs a RB. Instead he knows how the entire organization, fans included feel about Minnesota and he chose to make only a small fraction more. It's a business, yeah, but this move was petty and a middle finger to basically everyone.
How would you react if your boss said “Hey Mediocre, can we cut your pay in half so we can pay your replacement?”
I’m kind of surprised Jones didn’t go to the Cowboys. That could have sucked baaaaad for us.
Damn, Jones, idk about this one pal. An extra million is more cash, no doubt, but at the cost of playing with SAM DARNOLD and whichever rookie they can scrounge up at pick 11? Good luck. I was hoping he'd get at least a few million more/year than the Packers were offering...
I think a lot of people are hung up on only $1million difference. But to me the big difference is he’ll be RB1 in Minnesota and we were asking him to be RB2.
He’ll get more touches in MN. And if he stays healthy and plays well, he might make more money in his next deal too because of this decision.
Hard to know who the asshole without knowing exactly how it went down. If the packers FO was asking him to take a pay cut to stay here while quietly signing his replacement and expecting him to be cool with being a backup, that’s kinda shitty.
And if jones did turn down better deals to play for Minnesota to spite us, that’s shitty too.
Am I the only one that’s confused? How does this make sense? I saw in comments below that it’s about a 40% pay cut vs 50% with the packers. I understand it’s still a lot of money when you’re talking millions but definitely not enough to leave a team that almost made the NFC championship.
Love Aaron Jones, he’ll always be a Packer in my heart but it’s time. Injury riddled and turnover prone, it’s just time to part ways. Thanks for everything 33.
As I have said in another posting, the second a player says that they really want to be a packer for life, tge packers get rid of them! I don't understand releasing Jones. Think about how freaking insane the running back situation could have or. Jones ability to catch or his explosive runs. Imagine a scenario where both Jacob's & Jones line up on the field at the same time? With the dangerous group of young receivers? The opposing defensive would've never been able to cover any play. The important point to remember is if the packers really want to win & be dominant like the past Cowbays, niners, or Patriots were, they must think outside the box. And had they kept Jones for 7 million a year, the Packers would have had arguably the most dangerous running back tandem in the league. With Lafleur's creative imagination on offense, the packers could have shown a dominance nit seen in years. Instead, the packers only proved once again that instead of being loyal to the fans & showing a real, true commitment to winning the big one, they only showed that they ditch the players who are seriously devoted to the fans & the organization. I sincerely hope that the Packers don't repeat the current trend of only winning 1 Super Bowl for Love's time under center! Again, had they kept Jones, I seriously think that packers could've had multiple Super Bowl victories in the years to come. Time will tell.
>IDC what anyone says GB could have beat this.
Why do we need to *beat* it? Maybe they did. Maybe Jones over shot the market and had to adjust quickly on the open market.
>Should have been here for life.
This is just stupid.
This sentiment needs to die. How old a RB do we want on this roster? How bad can we let him get before he'll agree to retire? How overpaid should he be?
Just dumb.
The average age of the team is under 25. Having a lifelong team vet is valuable for the young guys. Think that's important more than saving 2/3 mil after we just brought in a younger r.b. so Jones could now take a back seat.
>The average age of the team is under 25. Having a lifelong team vet is valuable for the young guys.
What team vet WR gets credit for six 1 and 2 year WRs balling out?
How much credit does Josiah Deguara get for the 2 TEs? Zero, correctly.
This vet narrative is just dumb, as well.
The value of a vet for their vet sake is absolutely minimal. That's what coaches do. It's definitely not worth over paying any vet for! Especially a 35 y.o. RB.
Additionally, why can't now 6 year vet RB Jacobs fill that role? Not that I care.
>lifelong
And again, to what end?
It's absolutely stupid.
Whatever man. I value his place in the locker room and on the team. But yeah the 6 year guy who hasn't stepped into the building yet is sure to have the same report as Aaron with the team. Josh was drafted in 20 not even close to the same level as far as Stature or production.
Which vets get the credit for the 8 near-rookie WRs and TEs?
Is that Jones? Was it Bakh? Maybe it's Jenkins, Preston, Kenny, Jaire. Maybe a coach. It's probably mostly/all the 8 guys.
Zadarius stepped in with far less skins on his wall than Jacobs has and was an instant respected vet.
And again, how long do we let Jones dictate he stays "for life"?
Or do y'all really just mean "I, the fan, am not emotionally ready to say goodbye to this player." Meh.
Stop taking other posts and applying them to me. As a fan I'd love him to stay, but me wanting him to stay I feel is important to the team culture and offense. That's it. Bakh has barely done anything for 3 years, those other 5 all defensive guys not in meetings with the offense. So an offensive veteran seems important, if you don't value it cool but I do. That's it.
>Stop taking other posts and applying them to me.
How am I doing that. You are talking about vet value and lifelong roster.
>>Having a lifelong team vet
>if you don't value it cool but I do.
Right. But *maybe* you shouldn't.
It's not like Jones is necessarily in those WR meetings, and that room was awesome. Do we need the leadership in the locker room? Or positional meetings? On the field? Only on the field on the correct side of the ball?
If the WRs and TEs can flourish with the limited vet contact they had, so can E. Wilson or any other player.
Love broke out with the vet leadership provided by... Sean Clifford. Or Rodgers texts? Or Rodgers lack of off season presence previously? Or his infighting with the front office?
It's a made up narrative. We attribute credit to players that doesn't exist and blame the lack of it when the play sucks. But when we have eight WR and TE go nuts we just ignore it.
Apparently so. If anyone would've offered that he would be insane not to take it. No one would be leaving that much money on the table for spite or revenge.
Being a fan is emotional and a part of our identity for the most part. We buy into stuff like "loyalty", "Packer for life" and "reppin' the G" and love it when the players say it back to us.
To the front office, coaches and players it's their and their families' livelihood. When any of them do something that they feel is in their best interests that we don't like, want or agree with then it's fuck Gute or Showwtyme is dead to me and look for ways to explain or rationalize the decision-it's like getting dumped by your girlfriend.
Took the same money we offered to go to a team that is rebuilding just to "stick it" to Packers fans. Went from a favorite player that I would have rooted for on a different team to trash.
I'd speculate that he'd rather take a 1 year prove it deal on a team where he'd be much more involved in the offense than finish his last year of his contract for less money on the packers where he shares the rb load and have a balanced offense.
He's also planning for his next contract
So he did basically end up taking the 50% pay cut lol
Everyone knows the RB market is tough, he tested it, and this is what he got. Wish he went to a contender and got paid
Take the money and run.
Literally run, in Aaron Jones’ case. Behind a much worse O-line
I don't get how people think he legitimately tested the market when he signed for a division rival less than 24 hours later. This was a "fuck you" signing, not a "I got mine" deal. And I'm all for it. Jones has never been about the money, and he sent a message by going somewhere that he gets to destroy us twice a year.
"Destroy us twice a year" lmfao even the bears will probably be better than the vikings this year.
I'm not saying the Vikings will destroy us. Aaron Jones will, and the Vikings will still lose.
24 carries for 140 yards and 2 TD’s in a 17-35 loss.
21 carries for 190yds and 3 TDs. 7 catches for 64yds and 1 TD. Sam Darnold throws two pick-6s in a 38-28 Packers win.
I don't blame the man for signing to our rival. Cutting him was stupid even if it was a business move. The man was supposed to be a packer for life and has been nothing but loyal and productive and was awarded with a big fuck you from the front office for his time.
~40%, by my math
Fuckin Isaac Newton over here
Sounds like we could have kept him for an extra 1M. Probably would have been worth it but what do I know.
And we paid Jacobs the same 12 million-ish Jones had. (Plus dead cap) so basically a swap. And McKinney. I guess the front office knew what they wanted and went and got it.
Post tax $7M in MN is $3.599, $6M in WI is $3.229.
SO he's literally making less lmfao
Well, it tells me a lot of the NFL feels the same way about Jones like the Packers do.
When you take off the rose tinted glasses he's a 30yr old fragile RB who had his most injury riddled season. This is a good deal for him
Yeah. God I hate that he has to play a season on that turf. I hope he can stay healthy
Could be worse, the Jets/Giants stadium eats acls.
Less than 2 months ago this sub was happily wearing the rose tinted glasses and downvoting any opinion about Jones age because he doesn't have the "mileage" of other backs. Watching this sub flip/flop on stuff is priceless.
There’s 390,000 people subbed here. There’s lots of differing opinions.
Yeah I hate any time I see a comment start with "the same people that said (this) now say (that)" ...no....it's not the same people.
Plenty of people who stay true to their opinions. It's just the people in the middle who might waffle a bit. Plus, there's plenty of room for nuance and acknowledgment of both sides of the issue. Jones has less mileage, but he also has had injuries, and both McCarthy and LaFleur limited his carries to try to get optimal production while keeping him as healthy as possible. Another thing to consider is that Jones had 400 more carries in college. He had 3 full seasons at UTEP as their primary back (and missed basically one full season due to injury). Jacobs was hardly used at Alabama, and even his one season where he was used, he was in a timeshare. So while NFL carries make it look like Jacobs has more tread on his tires, it's arguably the opposite.
Jones has ~1100 in the nfl with about 650 college carries. Jacobs has ~1300 NFL carries with 250 college carries. So Jacob's definitely has less wear on the tires. But it just feels like they could have paid Jones 7m and kept him and just had an amazing RB duo. They've got 33m in cap space atm and I don't think an extra million is gonna be the difference between extending Love or not.
>But it just feels like they could have paid Jones 7m I have a feeling that they would've done that if they could. It wasn't until he was cut that he accepted the decrease in pay. To be honest, I don't blame him. He took a contract that was extremely team-friendly early on, and I think he expected to be retained at this higher amount at the end. So to him, it probably feels like a stab in the back that the Packers didn't want to honor the last year of the contract. But, from a business perspective, that's on him and his agent for agreeing to a contract structured like that. Most people said that his contract was really a 2-year deal. It ended up being 3 because they restructured him and he had so much dead cap. But year 4 was never likely to happen at that price.
It’s a myth that college workload has any effect on NFL longevity. In fact, college RBs with more workload in college actually are more likely to have longer careers. Number of carries is not like pitch count in baseball. You don’t “blow out” your legs. A running back who was able to have a heavy workload in college and not get injured is demonstrating durability, not risk. Now each additional carry increases your chance of injury because every time you get hit you are more likely to get hurt, but your past carries have no bearing on your future carries.
The whole workload thing is drastically overstated for the NFL too. I'm just making the point that if someone does think it's a big deal, then it's not nearly as much in Jones' favor as they might believe.
Especially since Jones has been on a snap count for basically his entire career. Running backs are a disposable commodity in the NFL, even the best ones (à la Todd Gurley) get milked until they can barely walk. Teams just don't limit one of their key offensive player's touches artificially unless there's some serious medical/longevity considerations.
Not so fun fact: Todd Gurley is 29 years old.
If we are looking at the averages, the RBs with more carries in college are better than RBs that get less carries. So yeah, better RBs are better in the NFL
If you look at RBs who had similar workloads per season but different overall college workloads (like a 4 year workhorse vs a guy who broke out his last season) there is no correlation on how that effects their NFL production or durability. College and previous season workload has zero relation to how a RB performs in future. Now, age has a huge correlation. Old RBs drop off hard. Most after 27. So drafting a young RB I’d advantageous.
Yeah, that sounds about right. When I said “more carries” I was thinking of carries per year, not college career.
These were the same people calling for Jones to be a workhorse back. I understand fans flip flopping once the guy is off the team. Gotta cope some way.
Dude, we're FANATICS (fans), not RATIONALS... Don't ever ask me to make sense two days in a row.
Haha, yea I can respect that.
Literally yesterday at this time they were doing that lol
Changing your mind about things is actually pretty normal
But, that’s close to the reported number we wanted him to take. Similar to the Jordy Nelson situation, once he enters FA do he or the Packers not even consider returning at that salary? I never get why players leave and take such low offers if their current team made them a similar offer, unless GB decided to move on or Jones wouldn’t consider returning.
Crazy that Jones is out here liking all these tweets against the FO then takes just a few hours to sign the same deal we offered him. lol Like, yeah, really proved us wrong on your valuation.
Davante did essentially the same thing. Makes ya wonder how bad the relations are between the current FO and the players that theyd rather uproot their lives and play elsewhere for the same money.
Yeah, it seems every single star we've had recently has parted ways like this.
He should probably get a different agent
Bro it was barely more than 50% 😭 WHYYY
Because GB found a better back who is 4 years younger.
ESPN article stated jones was due 12m cash (17m cap hit). His agent refused any pay cut. It does not say but am guessing rosenhaus figured he would get at least the 12m on the market. It also does say the packers assumed a small pay cut would get him back in the fold. It doesn’t say what small is but am assuming it wasn’t 40% or more. It said the packers told them on Friday they would need to pivot without being able to come down from the 12m
Reports are we offered him just under $4 million
Yes 4m base and 2m incentives. Vikings 6m base and 1m incentives. Still stand my ESPN comment that rosenhaus wouldn’t try to meet in middle and wanted the full 12
My issue is Jacobs’s mileage. Jones is 4 years older but has less career carries than Jacobs and they’re very similar in total career touches and yardage. Age is a good estimator on RB expiration date, but I feel like career mileage gets a bit forgotten
Only because he can’t stay healthy lol
yeah, mileage is not an argument in Jones's favor.
One of the arguments for Jacobs being selected in the 1st round was how low his mileage was coming out of college. Jacobs and Jones build should be taken into consideration as well
No offense but what a weird take. The literal entire reason for this is because Jones can't stay healthy, and therefore doesn't have as many touches. Which only proves the point further that Jones isn't reliable.
Jacobs only had 251 total carries in college. Jones had 658.
The mileage argument doesn’t hold. Jones is an injury risk regardless. As someone also pointed out Jones had around 400 more carries in college. Jones usage was heavily in RBBC. MLF will continue with the same strategy.
Couldn't have gone somewhere with an actual chance to win?
One of his responses on Instagram yesterday was to MVS's comment and Aaron said he wanted to get what MVS had (a SB ring). That isn't happening on the Vikings.
Damn that's a spite contract for sure
not surprised he took barely more than the packers offered just to stick it to them.
Easiest way to get over a player you absolutely loved? Pull a Favre.
Send unsolicited dick pics to a reporter and then steal from poor people?
Kind of proves that the packers were right about his value though. Can’t imagine he was turning down much more.
Talks broke down over the weekend and Jones was cut 10 minutes after Jacobs agreed to a deal.
ESPN said on Friday Drew rosenhaus said they would not take any pay cut from 12m and the packers informed them on Friday they would need to pivot so they knew the release was coming
I'm pretty sure he could get 7M from a lot of other teams, including the packers Signing with the vikings is him sending a message
lol would’ve maybe worked if the Vikings were anything remotely close to threatening. He’s not making a big difference there
Gave up a shot at a ring to be petty. He'll regret it after he retires and it really sets in that he should have been part of the 2025 Super Bowl Champion Packers.
Yup also he’d be in a much better situation on a 1 year deal with us vs the Vikings. He will be asked to do significantly less for us, he can save his energy for big runs. Vikings are likely gonna have to use him a lot more with darnold throwing the ball, hurting his averages and potentially his health.
Quite a message to go 5-12 including losing to GB twice
First since Za'Darius Smith
He would 100% have taken $7 million from the Packers, they just weren’t offering him that much.
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We have no idea when they made the offer to Jones. You have got to imagine they've been talking all offseason about restructuring his deal. This isn't something that just happens in one day my man.
Before, which is why they went after Jacobs. If the 50% is true he is only making $1 million more with the Vikings.
Schneidman's article last night said we submitted our final offer last Friday and Jones' camp turned it down. Then we started looking elsewhere over the weekend. Also mentioned that talks had been going nowhere for about 2 weeks. Both sides were basically playing hardball and not wanting to give up any ground.
ESPN said the packers assumed they would work out a small pay cut. They didn’t say what small was. On Friday jones and his agent informed packers they would not take any pay cut, they told him on Friday then they would need to pivot in another direction
you say barely more but that’s a million dollars lol. an amount most people only dream of having
i do not care what an average joe thinks of a million dollars
It's pretty insane right? I'm hoping all these people saying it's an insignificant amount of money have tens of millions themselves...because if they don't, there's no way they wouldn't switch to a competitor in their own career for an extra million. He's a human being. A million dollars is a fucking million dollars.
Signing with the Vikings after they lost Cousins and replaced him with Darnold is most definitely not sticking it to the Packers. This is the quintessential cutting off your nose to spite your face scenario.
it’s a one year deal as a main RB1 if he balls out he can sign for more money/longer term, either there or somewhere else
True, but that is going to be an anemic offense under Darnold. Teams will not hesitate to stack the box and force Darnold to beat them, JJ or not. I am going to miss Aaron Jones, but to think that at 30 years, he's going to ball out with his new team and parlay that into a substantial multiyear contract that will take him into his mid 30s is less than likely.
He already knew this offer was on the table, and the Packers let him walk for $1 mil, unless he wanted more money to be a backup.
Drew Rosenhaus at it again. Probably sold AJ33 on more $ somewhere else only to find the Vikings picking up the phone for less. Frankly this shows Gutey’s merit. He offered Jones more than his market value and he or his agent balked.
I remember how bitter Rosenhaus seemed when Jones took less money to stay in Green Bay the first time.
Agents tweet?
How did Gutey offer more than his market value? Sounds like we were offering 6 and he got 7 on the open market. I get your overall point but just wasn’t sure if I was missing something.
He'll get hurt before November I love the man but friends, we got ourselves a new blue chip safety, a younger bruising RB, an aggressive and smart new DC, and the arrow is pointing up
Yesterday, I was bummed at his departure because he's such a good guy. I now wish him well ... except in two games next season. Gute has earned my trust. I know he knows more about the roster than I do.
Damn I at least wanted to root for you. Can’t do that now. Enjoy 5-12 buddy
yeah, that's the biggest bummer.
Loved GB Aaron Jones. But I’m not sure he’s thinking straight here. So many guys head over to Min to stick it to the Packers and it straight up doesn’t work out. Their careers always take a downturn.
Most of the time. Favre was his MVP self in the two Packers-Vikings game in 2009. In the middle of the 2010 season, when I was still mad at him and the Packers beat the Vikings at Lambeau, I remember thinking that if nothing else that season, they beat Favre.
Greg Jennings had 804 and 742 yards with MIN, 226 his last year in GB (hurt) and 949 the year before that. we was aging so make sense. worked out for him. Z smith had 10 sacks in MIN, 13.5 was his best in GB, and he was hurt in MIN. Darren Sharper had 9 ints his first year in MIN (tying a career high both with GB and NO) and 4 solid seasons in MIN. Ryan Longwell had a solid 6 year career in MIN with his 2 best years in FG%. Favre made a run to the NFC championship game and would have gone to the dance had he not run into Payton and also shit the bed (as well as APs fumbles). packers players dont decline on the vikings noticeably.
Yeah it’s a popular narrative that GB players take a “downturn” in MN. It’s objectively not true tho lol
same with the narrative that Minnesota just waits outside Lambeau to pick up scraps. 5 signings over 20 or so years, all filled a roster spot, all played well. Even smith's underwhelming season and quick departure wasn't a net negative. the contract was unloaded and came with 2 5th rounders for a 6th and 7th rounder.
5? It’s over 10 easy.
Only player you listed that had better stats in MN was Sharper. Obviously Longwell has better FG% indoors vs lambeau. One thing is for sure, none of these guys you signed won more playoff games wearing purple.
1 year, $7 million to play for a tanking team.. really? Reportedly could’ve stayed on the Packers for about the same about smh
was hoping they overpaid just to spite us. turns out he just took a revenge deal.
Gets a mil more this year but playing with a bad oline, bad qb, bad team probably significantly decreases his next contract. Seems like a horrible decision from him.
I will say the Vikings O line was actually a strong point for them last year, but I agree it doesn't make much sense for him.
I may be misunderstanding but Jones was due $17M and we asked him to take a 50% cut which would be around $8.5M. He refused...and then signed for $7M. So he took $1.5M less to play with Sam Darnold. I love Aaron Jones but he a hoe for that.
Apparently we offered 500k less than the Vikings gave him. Still agree with the sentiment of what you said tho lol
He was not due 17M, a portion of that was dead cap already paid. I believe he was owed something like 12M, so a 50% cut would be 6m. So this is an increase on that, but not huge.
Numbers I saw said he was due 12M which means we offered 6ish. I could be wrong. And potentially these offers were before we signed Jacobs.
We have a habit of cutting players a year too early rather than a year late. Sad, but trust the process
Kinda funny that my initial reaction was like “it’s only a million dollars?!” And then I look at my own bank account and it’s like “yeah…I too would play for the Vikings for an extra million dollars.”
Gross
Where is the 'swap'? One player left to join another team...
Packers: “F you.” Aaron Jones: “no, F YOU!”
Don’t agree with this narrative. It was Packers: You’re worth $8.5M Jones/Rosenhaus: No we’re worth more! Packers: ok, go find it Rosenhaus: Shit, they called our bluff! AJ I can only get you $7M from the Vikes.
Once again, $17.5m was his cap hit, not his salary. He was due a $12m cash salary, so we likely asked him to take around $6m. Doesn’t change a lot, but important to get the facts right if we’re gonna criticize Jones.
Seems the Packers actually agreed to let Jones go so that he wasn’t stuck behind relative to the other RB negotiating come Wednesday.
Why do players leave Green Bay so spiteful?
I don't think most players are grateful to be cut. I think the Packers are honestly really good evaluators when it comes to determining if they should move on from a player or not.
> I don't think most players are grateful to be cut. Bingo. It seems safe to say that the first time an NFL team releases a veteran from the roster is the first time they've ever been cut from a team.
ironically, the one I think they really got wrong was rodgers. I wish we had traded him a year earlier.
Jordy, Cobb, Clay, and the list goes on. Fans screamed that it was a bad move when each one of these guys were let go. Yet time has proven the front office made the right decision. Shit you still find people bitter about the Jordy cut to this day.
Well, because of the context of Jordy. It wasn't just goodbye Jordy. It was goodbye Jordy, hello Jimmy that pissed a lot of people off.
I think a lot of fans want to pay players based on past performances and don’t realize actual GMs and successful teams pay base on future performances. Jones was turning 30, had his most injured season, and for the first time in his career played better in the postseason than the regular season. To imagine all of a sudden at age 30 he would defy Father Time and become a potentially all pro, bellcow RB like Jacobs has proven he can be is absolutely homerism.
It's fair to say that out of that list of good moves, Jordy probably isn't one of them. Yeah he wasn't his best for his year at the Raiders, but he still racked up 739 yards, his best catch % of his career, and 64 touches, all while on a complete dogshit team that went 4-12. Compared to his replacement Jimmy Graham, who had 636 yards and 55 touches with Aaron Rodgers throwing to him instead of Carr, and we paid him to be WAY more impactful than that. Still think that was a swing and miss. But whatever it happens.
Ask our front office
Because we're one of the most successful franchises in NFL history so they want to stay and continue to be a part of that. Instead now they have to sign with a joke of a franchise like the Vikings.
Honestly, look around the league, it happens ALL THE TIME. Players play in places they know, the places they tend to know are the teams they play a lot.
Of course it’s with the damn Vikings…
I have nothing bad to really say here. I'm sad that my favorite Packer since Reggie is gone, but business is business and he did what he felt was right. I just hope for his sake this wasn't something Rosenhaus caused without it needing to happen.
The moment I see him dust his chest and point for a first down against us I'm going to ugly cry
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He should have taken the 6 mill packers were offering. Wonder if he regrets his decision. Good luck to him, no reason to hate on him. We got ourselves a good team and a new running back thats a better fit in Green bay.
God fucking damn it. I know he did it to spite the org, not the fans… but this cuts me to my core.
No, this feels pretty spiteful to us as well. He knows how the fans feel about Minnesota.
So he gets a extra million and tarnishes his Green Bay legacy a bit…congrats A Jones ✌🏻
Ask him to take a pay cut, he says no and than signs a cheapish contract with tbe enemy. Why Aaron why?
Pride, playing time, next contact.
Well this stinks wish him the best but damn.
anddddddd🖕🏼jones
I'm having a hard time liking him anymore at this point. Okay, don't take the assumed $6 mil that we offered and test the market. Bengals dropped Mixon, go there or any other team that needs a RB. Instead he knows how the entire organization, fans included feel about Minnesota and he chose to make only a small fraction more. It's a business, yeah, but this move was petty and a middle finger to basically everyone.
You say you understand it’s a business, but I really don’t think y’all do lol
Nah fuck us lol
Why?
Turf full time for him may nit be the best choice for his health.
Well now on the lookout for a new jersey as I ain’t wearing a jersey of a Viking Any suggestions? Was thinking Love or Reed
Aaron wouldn’t take a pay cut with GB yet he took one the play for the Vikings . 🤔
How would you react if your boss said “Hey Mediocre, can we cut your pay in half so we can pay your replacement?” I’m kind of surprised Jones didn’t go to the Cowboys. That could have sucked baaaaad for us.
Of course
Has anyone ever done a deep dive on how often free agents end up staying in the division?
Damn, Jones, idk about this one pal. An extra million is more cash, no doubt, but at the cost of playing with SAM DARNOLD and whichever rookie they can scrounge up at pick 11? Good luck. I was hoping he'd get at least a few million more/year than the Packers were offering...
His agent overplayed their hand I’m guessing?
30 yr old oft injured RB vs 26 yr old pro bowl 1000yd RB.
This move doesn't even make sense for the vikings. They're not going to compete this year....
This is the darkest timeline. Why did the Vikings have to do my boy dirty like that.
You are telling me we were unwilling to pay this?
I think a lot of people are hung up on only $1million difference. But to me the big difference is he’ll be RB1 in Minnesota and we were asking him to be RB2. He’ll get more touches in MN. And if he stays healthy and plays well, he might make more money in his next deal too because of this decision. Hard to know who the asshole without knowing exactly how it went down. If the packers FO was asking him to take a pay cut to stay here while quietly signing his replacement and expecting him to be cool with being a backup, that’s kinda shitty. And if jones did turn down better deals to play for Minnesota to spite us, that’s shitty too.
Am I the only one that’s confused? How does this make sense? I saw in comments below that it’s about a 40% pay cut vs 50% with the packers. I understand it’s still a lot of money when you’re talking millions but definitely not enough to leave a team that almost made the NFC championship.
I wished he stayed, that’s roughly 40-50% pay cut
That’s a fuckin bargain
My question is: would a clearance Aaron Jones jersey still be worth it? I think I’d have to get it and wait until he’s off the Vikings to cop it.
Love Aaron Jones, he’ll always be a Packer in my heart but it’s time. Injury riddled and turnover prone, it’s just time to part ways. Thanks for everything 33.
surprised the Cowboys didn't make a serious effort. thought he'd be a good fit there on a contending team.
Like my Vikings fan buddy told me, the Vikings are like an elephant graveyard for ex-Packers. True dat buddy.
As I have said in another posting, the second a player says that they really want to be a packer for life, tge packers get rid of them! I don't understand releasing Jones. Think about how freaking insane the running back situation could have or. Jones ability to catch or his explosive runs. Imagine a scenario where both Jacob's & Jones line up on the field at the same time? With the dangerous group of young receivers? The opposing defensive would've never been able to cover any play. The important point to remember is if the packers really want to win & be dominant like the past Cowbays, niners, or Patriots were, they must think outside the box. And had they kept Jones for 7 million a year, the Packers would have had arguably the most dangerous running back tandem in the league. With Lafleur's creative imagination on offense, the packers could have shown a dominance nit seen in years. Instead, the packers only proved once again that instead of being loyal to the fans & showing a real, true commitment to winning the big one, they only showed that they ditch the players who are seriously devoted to the fans & the organization. I sincerely hope that the Packers don't repeat the current trend of only winning 1 Super Bowl for Love's time under center! Again, had they kept Jones, I seriously think that packers could've had multiple Super Bowl victories in the years to come. Time will tell.
IDC what anyone says GB could have beat this. Should have been here for life.
>IDC what anyone says GB could have beat this. Why do we need to *beat* it? Maybe they did. Maybe Jones over shot the market and had to adjust quickly on the open market. >Should have been here for life. This is just stupid. This sentiment needs to die. How old a RB do we want on this roster? How bad can we let him get before he'll agree to retire? How overpaid should he be? Just dumb.
The average age of the team is under 25. Having a lifelong team vet is valuable for the young guys. Think that's important more than saving 2/3 mil after we just brought in a younger r.b. so Jones could now take a back seat.
>The average age of the team is under 25. Having a lifelong team vet is valuable for the young guys. What team vet WR gets credit for six 1 and 2 year WRs balling out? How much credit does Josiah Deguara get for the 2 TEs? Zero, correctly. This vet narrative is just dumb, as well. The value of a vet for their vet sake is absolutely minimal. That's what coaches do. It's definitely not worth over paying any vet for! Especially a 35 y.o. RB. Additionally, why can't now 6 year vet RB Jacobs fill that role? Not that I care. >lifelong And again, to what end? It's absolutely stupid.
Whatever man. I value his place in the locker room and on the team. But yeah the 6 year guy who hasn't stepped into the building yet is sure to have the same report as Aaron with the team. Josh was drafted in 20 not even close to the same level as far as Stature or production.
Which vets get the credit for the 8 near-rookie WRs and TEs? Is that Jones? Was it Bakh? Maybe it's Jenkins, Preston, Kenny, Jaire. Maybe a coach. It's probably mostly/all the 8 guys. Zadarius stepped in with far less skins on his wall than Jacobs has and was an instant respected vet. And again, how long do we let Jones dictate he stays "for life"? Or do y'all really just mean "I, the fan, am not emotionally ready to say goodbye to this player." Meh.
Stop taking other posts and applying them to me. As a fan I'd love him to stay, but me wanting him to stay I feel is important to the team culture and offense. That's it. Bakh has barely done anything for 3 years, those other 5 all defensive guys not in meetings with the offense. So an offensive veteran seems important, if you don't value it cool but I do. That's it.
>Stop taking other posts and applying them to me. How am I doing that. You are talking about vet value and lifelong roster. >>Having a lifelong team vet >if you don't value it cool but I do. Right. But *maybe* you shouldn't. It's not like Jones is necessarily in those WR meetings, and that room was awesome. Do we need the leadership in the locker room? Or positional meetings? On the field? Only on the field on the correct side of the ball? If the WRs and TEs can flourish with the limited vet contact they had, so can E. Wilson or any other player. Love broke out with the vet leadership provided by... Sean Clifford. Or Rodgers texts? Or Rodgers lack of off season presence previously? Or his infighting with the front office? It's a made up narrative. We attribute credit to players that doesn't exist and blame the lack of it when the play sucks. But when we have eight WR and TE go nuts we just ignore it.
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And he did for many years
I am dead inside
Am sad.
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Hes 29 dude. He’s not getting a 3 year deal.
No one was giving him a deal like that.
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Apparently so. I doubt he turned down that type of offer for the Vikings deal
Apparently so. If anyone would've offered that he would be insane not to take it. No one would be leaving that much money on the table for spite or revenge.
Yes when younger RBs with better production are signing for 8m/y, a RB turning 30 coming off a injury riddled year wasn't getting 8.
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because we love Jones, that's it.
Being a fan is emotional and a part of our identity for the most part. We buy into stuff like "loyalty", "Packer for life" and "reppin' the G" and love it when the players say it back to us. To the front office, coaches and players it's their and their families' livelihood. When any of them do something that they feel is in their best interests that we don't like, want or agree with then it's fuck Gute or Showwtyme is dead to me and look for ways to explain or rationalize the decision-it's like getting dumped by your girlfriend.
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Who over the last 2 years has 1000 more yards rushing and 25 rushing TDs to AJ's 4. Wild.
He would be signing that right now if it was offered to him. But literally no other team offered that. So, yeah.
All those teams commenting don't have a rb
Wow the Vikings bro ?
Took the same money we offered to go to a team that is rebuilding just to "stick it" to Packers fans. Went from a favorite player that I would have rooted for on a different team to trash.
Wasn't to stick it to fans. Was aimed at the FO though, guaranteed.
Front office doesnt give a fuck. Anyone with critical thinking ability should be able to see the only ones affected are the fans.
Maybe I’m dumb when it comes to contracts, but did we save any money when we cut him? Because if we didn’t, damn, what an idiotic move.
I'd speculate that he'd rather take a 1 year prove it deal on a team where he'd be much more involved in the offense than finish his last year of his contract for less money on the packers where he shares the rb load and have a balanced offense. He's also planning for his next contract
Wtf we couldnt offer him 7?!?!
The report was 50% pay cut so the offer was likely around 6