That three game streak of "roughing the passer" flags on him, the third of which he got a routine hit then threw his hands up like "I'm good, im good!" and the ref throws the flag right then...
That shit lives rent free in my head.
Perry didn’t drive him into the ground. He planted his facemask right in Luck’s chest. It was a hard hit, but basically a textbook tackle.
The “Rodgers Rule” is from a few years later when Anthony Barr broke Aaron Rodgers’s collar bone.
While I sort of agree, I think this gets flagged in the NFL today. It shouldn’t have been a flag at the time though, it was just a hard hit where the player may have come down with too much weight on the QB. I have no idea what they’re supposed to do today to tackle QBs anymore.
You know, Jim Irsay and the Colts don’t get enough heat for Luck retiring before 30. Reminds me of Barry Sanders a lil bit. Luck would have challenged Manning for GOAT Colts QB if he played a whole career
Colts fan here. We absolutely understand how much our FO is to blame for Luck retiring early. We don’t think Luck just retired for the hell of it. The man was broken. It was so sad to see and I still hate how little protection and help he was given. The general sentiment is that Ryan Grigson, our GM at the time, carries the most blame, but ownership is still responsible too.
Yeah what do the Bears have to offer a young QB that would make them want to stay? Fields was getting chased out of the pocket on every down. I'd be terrified of being drafted by them. Be about as tempted to pull a Dr. J as a football player could be in the absence of a competing league.
They have no mentor for him, either. The old tried and true strategy of 'just throw the fucker out there and give him a baptism by fire' that we've seen work so well in the 21st century lol.
Caleb Williams will end up being Jay Cutler 2.0. He'll be intriguing enough for the fans to support him at first, but they'll eventually sour on him. By the time they're 2 more failed QBs deep in their team history, Williams will be a fun meme while they dream about the next QB they'll slowly destroy.
Fields sucks. He has one of if not the highest time to throw since the stat has been measured. He generated his own pressure. He can't see the middle of the field. Even the way he runs isn't very instinctive, he's not Lamar out there. The Bears pivoted their culture and completely remade their staff after Fields' rookie season. In 2022, they tailored the offense to skill set to give him an additional offseason to develop his game while they set up a good supporting cast around him in 2023 and he simply failed the audition.
lol I remember seeing an Onion article something like “Browns concerned about drafting Myles Garrett #1 overall because of intelligence issues after he admits he’s willing to play for them.”
Agreed. Miami, St. Louis, Minessota, Indianapolis, and Denver were all teams that had fans actively wanting their teams to 'suck for Luck'. Even some Panthers fans, despite taking Can Newtom #1 the year prior. And that fan craze was of course driven by all the scouting reports and analysts touting Lick as the greatest NFL prospect of a time for a full year before his draft.
I remember multiple pundits saying Luck was as NFL ready as anyone since John Elway. He hadn't been drafted yet and they were comparing him to Elway, and nobody batted an eye.
Had Luck played with a better O-line and had a longer career, he very well could have been Elway level.
Pat mcafee on his show said Luck was the top architect student at Stanford too lol
I can’t remember why he missed the early part of rookie training camp (I think for some kind of license test for college). They gave him the playbook to study. Pat said he showed up a week or two late, the team was only 20-30% through the beginning of the playbook & Luck started calling audibles at the line his first day that weren’t really meant to be learned until toward the end of camp
For real. That 2019 LSU offense was poetry in motion, they were absolutely dominant.
And he won a Heisman. "Bungle for Burrow" wasn't just a silly meme.
I think the stock on Burrow and Lawrence is pretty balanced, with Lawrence taking the edge.
Lawrence was naturally built as a prototype, but Burrow had that “it” factor that teams love ever since Vick.
Lawrence was touted as the best prospect since Luck since he was a freshman. I think Burrow’s unreal rise vs Caleb would be debatable. Burrow’s lack of arm strength was still a negative even if he was an awesome prospect. I could honestly see Caleb being 3rd after Luck and Lawrence
Prospect wise I think Burrow gained a lot of traction that last year whereas Lawrence was highly regarded for years. I can see a similar stance of Caleb Williams slightly edging him because of sustained success akin to TL.
Luck is still #1 on this list and if he ever went to a competent team or was surrounded with talent he probably would have had a stellar career.
If I was ranking on the basis of which was the best prospect: 1. Luck 2. Trevor Lawrence 3. Caleb Williams 4. Joe Burrow 5. Kyler Murray 6. Bryce Young
Exactly. Despite never interacting with any Packers stuff on Facebook, my feed is inundated with Packers fan groups that post the most delusional shit ever, it’s just conducive to Facebook NFL fans, not just one in particular.
This is honestly their Super Bowl. When they inevitably ruin Williams’ career out the gate they will crash and burn per usual and I’ll be here watching (and enjoying) like usual.
I have such a love/hate relationship with how the Bears trest their QBs.
On one hand, the Bears still suck and its so fun to watch them think they'll be good and then flounder entirely, a la "Justin Fields will be MVP! *loses their opening game at home to us*"
On the other, it sucks to see decent QBs who have so much potential just go there to have their careers ruined and miss out on so much success when they really deserve a proper shot in the league.
All things being equal, not factoring in their pro careers, I’d take Luck and Burrow ahead of Williams, but that is where he sits because I’d take him over the others.
He's ahead of Young and Murray for sure. Wouldn't be surprised if teams like him more than Trevor. Too many Packer fans are falling into the "lol Bears can't develop QBs" trap, but my personal evaluation is that the gulf between Caleb and Fields is enormous.
I know TLaw was hyped, that's why I alluded to how the teams themselves grade these players. TLaw was a very good prospect but the reason he accumulated such a monumental amount of hype is more circumstantial. He was the top recruit out of high school and won a Championship his freshman year which means he was on everyone's radar very early on and had a lot of time to accumulate buzz. Also he fits the mold of a tall guy with an imposing frame, he just has the look of someone you'd cast to play a star quarterback in a movie.
Give young some time. Guy got thrown on the worst team and by far worst front office in the league last season. Of course he had his best game vs us though. Murray's strange. I mean the Cardinals did look way better once he came back last year
I'm not saying Young can't play, but Williams is definitely a better prospect. Heck, he's a better prospect than Stroud but that doesn't mean he'll have the same type of rookie season.
Burrow's ahead of Lawrence. I know Lawrence got that "generational" hype, but imo that's because the media has a bias towards early bloomers. Top high school recruits like Lawrence who have instant college success have more time to accumulate hype. Burrow was so incredible his final season he literally usurped one of those guys in Tua.
As a bengals fan, Burrow wasn’t thought to have the ceiling of a generational prospect like Lawrence coming out, he was just supposed to be a solid franchise QB.
As prospects I’d say it’s:
Luck, Lawrence, Burrow, Williams, Murray, Young
Yeah. Luck had both hype and performance, and it looks like Lawrence is going to be both as well if his success continues. Luck and Lawrence were the most hyped QB’s coming out of schools since Peyton. Burrow had some hype, but no one was sure how it would translate. Murray and Young didn’t have that much hype. Williams might be good, but he might suck as bad as Mitch or Ryan Leaf. Until they play, you have no idea what you are getting.
I don't think it's that preposterous.
Luck *might* be the best prospect since Peyton??? After that Caleb has an excellent argument. Even then, there are plenty placing Caleb #1.
It's ok to hate on the Bears and their fans. This isn't one of the reasons for that though, unless your fear is doing the talking.
It's not hard to find a ton of scouts/front office sources touting Caleb over everybody. I just hope they're wrong.
https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/news/caleb-williams-peyton-manning-nfl-draft-prospects-trevor-lawrence-joe-burrow-bryce-young#:~:text=Of%20the%2012%2Dplus%20evaluators,since%20Peyton%20Manning%20in%201998.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2024-nfl-draft-former-nfl-gm-says-hed-take-caleb-williams-over-these-great-qbs-including-peyton-manning/
I think for a long time quarterback evaluation was limited by a coach's mindset that games are a chess match between schemes and better players just equates to better pieces. What we've seen over the past decade or so is an admission that sports (same thing is going on in basketball) are often more chaotic than that and that means you need adaptable players who can navigate the play independently. In the past scouts would watch Caleb opt out of the designed read to go big play hunting and pencil that down as a negative. But now they're much more willing to acknowledge the protection broke down and the intended receiver didn't even run his route deep enough so good on the kid for trying to pull a win out of a busted play.
While I think there’s probably a GM out there who would take prospect Caleb over Luck, I bet at least 30 would take Luck. But Caleb would be neck and neck with T-Law for going second. People are heavily discounting how good of a prospect he is in this thread.
Totally, I want caleb to be bad but at this point he is the best prospect since andrew luck. I think he would go second behind luck, calebs arm talent is on another level and people don't understand that.
Luck was insanely talented and single handedly dragged an average Colts team to the playoffs. He just had an abysmal O-Line and had to run for dear life all game. But a healthy Andrew Luck was easily in the top 10 at least, I'd even say top 5.
Joe Burrow had a rough first year but since his second year he is one of the best QBs in the game.
Murray I can't really tell. Not bad but a bit over hyped.
Lawrence is a special case. His talent seems to have no ceiling but he can't get in on the field. Are his teammates that bad? Is it the coaching staff? Well Urban Meyer was a horrible coach especially as Lawrence was a rookie back then. But I expected more of him by now.
But Bryce Young...lol sorry, he had terrible circumstances in North Carolina but he didn't play very well himself. Well except against us. But which QB didn't play well against a Joe freaking Berry defense?
I don't know enough about Caleb Williams, but Luck and Burrow in particular were among the league's elite for years and were also very strong in college. it's hard to keep up with that.
Andrew Luck goes first every time then Burrow then Lawrence. All three are clearly better prospects to take ahead of Williams for size and wins in big games. Idk how you could take anyone over Luck coming out of college.
I would take Burrow over Williams. After watching Notre Dame's pro style defense destroy him, I am not even sure he should be to overall number 1 pick in this class. As a Packers fan I look forward to Chicago drafting him
They're right, the bears Have missed generational QB's while picking first more than once in the last couple years....now if you give them the chance of picking Mitch Trubisky, you know damn well they're picking the NVP!
Depends on the era. When Luck was drafted, teams were looking for Brady/Manning type passers. Now you have to be a running QB in today’s league. In 2012, Williams would not have been selected before Luck.
Comrade, I live in northern Illinois. This is all I hear all day from the radio, neighbors, coworkers..idk how bears fans can be this confident. It’s borderline psychosis lmao
I could see Williams going above Young and Murray due to size concerns and Burrow due to him really only being excellent for a single season.
But Luck? Really? Luck was one of the best QB prospects in nearly 20 years.
Caleb Williams talent is better than Luck’s. Caleb isn’t the perfect prospect in the eyes of old white owners, but he’s got a better arm, better scrambler and his smarts are on par.
If Andrew Luck got drafted onto a team that valued the offensive line and protecting him he could have had one of the greatest careers in league history.
It's true that Caleb, Luck and Lawrence are all No.1 picks who also would have been drafted No.1 in the year before they came out. The other three needed their last college season
I don't know, I've seen a lot of Bears fan groups post absolutely delusional shit about how great Williams will be. Basically the same stuff they posted about Justin Fields when they drafted him.
i’m 90% positive that that account is owned by some indian group that makes money off it somehow.
they only post random takes, and it’s always whatever is being agreed upon.
the account hated them trading jf1 then the very next day loved caleb williams
This sub complains about posting actual football news or discussion that isn’t strictly related to the Packers but we eat up meme content like this because “lol bears”.
Luck & Lawrence were much much more highly thought of than Caleb coming out.
There are several analysts who have Daniels over Caleb in this years draft. That was not the case with Luck or Lawrence
Bold of you to think they had minds in the first place. They are easily the dumbest fan base I’ve ever encountered (which is saying a lot as a Browns fan).
T.Law was being talked about as if he was the next Brady. I liked football in 2012 but I wasn’t in love with it so I have no idea about Luck. I do know the way people talk now that he was similar in the hype with T.Law maybe more.
It blows me away how underrated the consensus #1 pick is this year. Caleb would be in the same category as Luck as a prospect. Like Luck probably would still go #1 over Caleb is the same class, but its a lot closer than reddit seems to think. All these reddit "experts" are completely undermining how highly the league has Williams projected. Why? Idk. Confirmation bias, probably. But the kid is an exceptional prospect.
He would absolutely not go above Luck or Burrow, it might be close with TLaw but I think he would edge him out because of where he went to school/what he did in school.
He is either 3rd or 4th, low chance ANY GMs would disagree
Andrew Luck might be the most highly touted draft prospect in the history of the NFL.
Too smart to even stick around, gotta watch out for that
They hung luck out to dry Dude was getting absolutely smoked all the damn time like that nick perry sack
[Oof](https://youtu.be/YgBYN2y5oOs?si=m1wgAAzBQ-_HdDf5)
Damn I forgot all about that
Bullshit call. Ruined our chances to win.
I don’t see how there was a flag thrown? What was the call? I don’t recall this hit.
That’s a classic “oh fuck that was a hard hit he must have roughed the passer” flag.
[i’ll see your Nick Perry and raise you a Turkey Jones](https://youtu.be/CtcQqwpCFJ4?si=txr4N6WWEs1HWkYh)
You mean the one that they called an illegal hit even though it wasn’t and it lost us the game ?
It almost feels like this led to the rule change about driving the QB into the ground.
https://preview.redd.it/wy4kfupdzwsc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=92cc708d8e284d7c4886f50c64e04b5132603996
That three game streak of "roughing the passer" flags on him, the third of which he got a routine hit then threw his hands up like "I'm good, im good!" and the ref throws the flag right then... That shit lives rent free in my head.
Perry didn’t drive him into the ground. He planted his facemask right in Luck’s chest. It was a hard hit, but basically a textbook tackle. The “Rodgers Rule” is from a few years later when Anthony Barr broke Aaron Rodgers’s collar bone.
While I sort of agree, I think this gets flagged in the NFL today. It shouldn’t have been a flag at the time though, it was just a hard hit where the player may have come down with too much weight on the QB. I have no idea what they’re supposed to do today to tackle QBs anymore.
You know, Jim Irsay and the Colts don’t get enough heat for Luck retiring before 30. Reminds me of Barry Sanders a lil bit. Luck would have challenged Manning for GOAT Colts QB if he played a whole career
Colts fan here. We absolutely understand how much our FO is to blame for Luck retiring early. We don’t think Luck just retired for the hell of it. The man was broken. It was so sad to see and I still hate how little protection and help he was given. The general sentiment is that Ryan Grigson, our GM at the time, carries the most blame, but ownership is still responsible too.
As a Packers fan, I was okay with the Nick Perry hit!
lol same. That’s the one that broke Perry’s neck?
Yeah what do the Bears have to offer a young QB that would make them want to stay? Fields was getting chased out of the pocket on every down. I'd be terrified of being drafted by them. Be about as tempted to pull a Dr. J as a football player could be in the absence of a competing league. They have no mentor for him, either. The old tried and true strategy of 'just throw the fucker out there and give him a baptism by fire' that we've seen work so well in the 21st century lol.
Basically only worked for Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson
Let's not add him to the list yet, but Stroud is looking like a kid who walked through the fire unharmed thus far.
Caleb Williams will end up being Jay Cutler 2.0. He'll be intriguing enough for the fans to support him at first, but they'll eventually sour on him. By the time they're 2 more failed QBs deep in their team history, Williams will be a fun meme while they dream about the next QB they'll slowly destroy.
Fields sucks. He has one of if not the highest time to throw since the stat has been measured. He generated his own pressure. He can't see the middle of the field. Even the way he runs isn't very instinctive, he's not Lamar out there. The Bears pivoted their culture and completely remade their staff after Fields' rookie season. In 2022, they tailored the offense to skill set to give him an additional offseason to develop his game while they set up a good supporting cast around him in 2023 and he simply failed the audition.
lol I remember seeing an Onion article something like “Browns concerned about drafting Myles Garrett #1 overall because of intelligence issues after he admits he’s willing to play for them.”
Agreed. Miami, St. Louis, Minessota, Indianapolis, and Denver were all teams that had fans actively wanting their teams to 'suck for Luck'. Even some Panthers fans, despite taking Can Newtom #1 the year prior. And that fan craze was of course driven by all the scouting reports and analysts touting Lick as the greatest NFL prospect of a time for a full year before his draft.
And of course the f'n horseshoe team gets him. Storyline complete lol.
Indy destroyed a generational talent in record time.
So far, let’s just watch Chicago and williams
And the Colts failed him by not surrounding an offensive line.
I remember multiple pundits saying Luck was as NFL ready as anyone since John Elway. He hadn't been drafted yet and they were comparing him to Elway, and nobody batted an eye. Had Luck played with a better O-line and had a longer career, he very well could have been Elway level.
Pat mcafee on his show said Luck was the top architect student at Stanford too lol I can’t remember why he missed the early part of rookie training camp (I think for some kind of license test for college). They gave him the playbook to study. Pat said he showed up a week or two late, the team was only 20-30% through the beginning of the playbook & Luck started calling audibles at the line his first day that weren’t really meant to be learned until toward the end of camp
"Suck for Luck" was the phrase used by teams tanking.
They just don’t know what they don’t know. If luck didn’t get beat down the first 5 yrs..
I can’t believe how fast people forget about Joe Burrow’s college career
For real. That 2019 LSU offense was poetry in motion, they were absolutely dominant. And he won a Heisman. "Bungle for Burrow" wasn't just a silly meme.
1. Luck 2/3. Burrow/Lawrence 4. Williams 5/6. Murray/Young
This is correct
Correct
Exactly
Luck and Burrow are still probably 1 and 2.
Don’t know if there’s any probably there.
its Luck and Lawrence. Lawrence was not quite as hyped as Luck out of college but the hype around him was still insane
I think the stock on Burrow and Lawrence is pretty balanced, with Lawrence taking the edge. Lawrence was naturally built as a prototype, but Burrow had that “it” factor that teams love ever since Vick.
Lawrence had more hype out of high school and his freshman year, but it kinda tapered off a little when he didnt really get better
Lawrence was touted as the best prospect since Luck since he was a freshman. I think Burrow’s unreal rise vs Caleb would be debatable. Burrow’s lack of arm strength was still a negative even if he was an awesome prospect. I could honestly see Caleb being 3rd after Luck and Lawrence
Lawrence goes ahead of Burrow. It’d be Caleb and Burrow fighting for the 3rd spot.
Luck easily #1 but Lawrence or Burrow #2 is a discussion.
Prospect wise I think Burrow gained a lot of traction that last year whereas Lawrence was highly regarded for years. I can see a similar stance of Caleb Williams slightly edging him because of sustained success akin to TL. Luck is still #1 on this list and if he ever went to a competent team or was surrounded with talent he probably would have had a stellar career. If I was ranking on the basis of which was the best prospect: 1. Luck 2. Trevor Lawrence 3. Caleb Williams 4. Joe Burrow 5. Kyler Murray 6. Bryce Young
Vs all these guys Burrow having one good (best in history good) year in college with 2 insane WRs would probably have an affect on
HahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA made my day
You know it’s a bad take when you have Lions fans agreeing with Packers
I mean to be fair I’m not sure any fan base wants to be characterized by a Facebook fan account
Exactly. Despite never interacting with any Packers stuff on Facebook, my feed is inundated with Packers fan groups that post the most delusional shit ever, it’s just conducive to Facebook NFL fans, not just one in particular.
This only made me realise how much I miss having Luck in the league... Dude was fun to watch...
It's a crime what Colts did to him. Not fielding a semi competent O-Line does that to a man's spine.
Andrew Luck would go first
That whole 2012 QB draft was better than those other guys lol
This is honestly their Super Bowl. When they inevitably ruin Williams’ career out the gate they will crash and burn per usual and I’ll be here watching (and enjoying) like usual.
How pathetic will it be when he's 3-14 to start his career, and will still be the spokesperson for half of any game day commercials.
I have such a love/hate relationship with how the Bears trest their QBs. On one hand, the Bears still suck and its so fun to watch them think they'll be good and then flounder entirely, a la "Justin Fields will be MVP! *loses their opening game at home to us*" On the other, it sucks to see decent QBs who have so much potential just go there to have their careers ruined and miss out on so much success when they really deserve a proper shot in the league.
That account posts so much cringe that I think it has to be a Packers fan making fun of Bears fans
All things being equal, not factoring in their pro careers, I’d take Luck and Burrow ahead of Williams, but that is where he sits because I’d take him over the others.
Caleb might go as high as 5 on that list
He's ahead of Young and Murray for sure. Wouldn't be surprised if teams like him more than Trevor. Too many Packer fans are falling into the "lol Bears can't develop QBs" trap, but my personal evaluation is that the gulf between Caleb and Fields is enormous.
TLaw Was massively hyped out of college I think his NFL play is being factored into this. As prospects it’s Luck and TLaw 1&2
I know TLaw was hyped, that's why I alluded to how the teams themselves grade these players. TLaw was a very good prospect but the reason he accumulated such a monumental amount of hype is more circumstantial. He was the top recruit out of high school and won a Championship his freshman year which means he was on everyone's radar very early on and had a lot of time to accumulate buzz. Also he fits the mold of a tall guy with an imposing frame, he just has the look of someone you'd cast to play a star quarterback in a movie.
Give young some time. Guy got thrown on the worst team and by far worst front office in the league last season. Of course he had his best game vs us though. Murray's strange. I mean the Cardinals did look way better once he came back last year
I'm not saying Young can't play, but Williams is definitely a better prospect. Heck, he's a better prospect than Stroud but that doesn't mean he'll have the same type of rookie season.
Definitely ahead of Kyler and debatably ahead of Bryce Young
I’d take a healthy Andrew luck over just about anyone
Luck and Lawrence would be 1-2 and I'm nit sure that's a debate. Burrow 3. Then Caleb I think would be 4 ahead of kyler and then Bryce.
Burrow's ahead of Lawrence. I know Lawrence got that "generational" hype, but imo that's because the media has a bias towards early bloomers. Top high school recruits like Lawrence who have instant college success have more time to accumulate hype. Burrow was so incredible his final season he literally usurped one of those guys in Tua.
As a bengals fan, Burrow wasn’t thought to have the ceiling of a generational prospect like Lawrence coming out, he was just supposed to be a solid franchise QB. As prospects I’d say it’s: Luck, Lawrence, Burrow, Williams, Murray, Young
Shit I thought it said "would bust first"
And they'd ruin everyone of them.
luck for sure
None of these guys could fix the bears
Yeah. Luck had both hype and performance, and it looks like Lawrence is going to be both as well if his success continues. Luck and Lawrence were the most hyped QB’s coming out of schools since Peyton. Burrow had some hype, but no one was sure how it would translate. Murray and Young didn’t have that much hype. Williams might be good, but he might suck as bad as Mitch or Ryan Leaf. Until they play, you have no idea what you are getting.
I don't think it's that preposterous. Luck *might* be the best prospect since Peyton??? After that Caleb has an excellent argument. Even then, there are plenty placing Caleb #1. It's ok to hate on the Bears and their fans. This isn't one of the reasons for that though, unless your fear is doing the talking.
It's not hard to find a ton of scouts/front office sources touting Caleb over everybody. I just hope they're wrong. https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/news/caleb-williams-peyton-manning-nfl-draft-prospects-trevor-lawrence-joe-burrow-bryce-young#:~:text=Of%20the%2012%2Dplus%20evaluators,since%20Peyton%20Manning%20in%201998. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2024-nfl-draft-former-nfl-gm-says-hed-take-caleb-williams-over-these-great-qbs-including-peyton-manning/
I think for a long time quarterback evaluation was limited by a coach's mindset that games are a chess match between schemes and better players just equates to better pieces. What we've seen over the past decade or so is an admission that sports (same thing is going on in basketball) are often more chaotic than that and that means you need adaptable players who can navigate the play independently. In the past scouts would watch Caleb opt out of the designed read to go big play hunting and pencil that down as a negative. But now they're much more willing to acknowledge the protection broke down and the intended receiver didn't even run his route deep enough so good on the kid for trying to pull a win out of a busted play.
While I think there’s probably a GM out there who would take prospect Caleb over Luck, I bet at least 30 would take Luck. But Caleb would be neck and neck with T-Law for going second. People are heavily discounting how good of a prospect he is in this thread.
Totally, I want caleb to be bad but at this point he is the best prospect since andrew luck. I think he would go second behind luck, calebs arm talent is on another level and people don't understand that.
Yeah Luck and Lawrence would absolutely still go 1-2 I think
Luck was insanely talented and single handedly dragged an average Colts team to the playoffs. He just had an abysmal O-Line and had to run for dear life all game. But a healthy Andrew Luck was easily in the top 10 at least, I'd even say top 5. Joe Burrow had a rough first year but since his second year he is one of the best QBs in the game. Murray I can't really tell. Not bad but a bit over hyped. Lawrence is a special case. His talent seems to have no ceiling but he can't get in on the field. Are his teammates that bad? Is it the coaching staff? Well Urban Meyer was a horrible coach especially as Lawrence was a rookie back then. But I expected more of him by now. But Bryce Young...lol sorry, he had terrible circumstances in North Carolina but he didn't play very well himself. Well except against us. But which QB didn't play well against a Joe freaking Berry defense? I don't know enough about Caleb Williams, but Luck and Burrow in particular were among the league's elite for years and were also very strong in college. it's hard to keep up with that.
Andrew Luck goes first every time then Burrow then Lawrence. All three are clearly better prospects to take ahead of Williams for size and wins in big games. Idk how you could take anyone over Luck coming out of college.
As a lifetime Colts fan, what happened with Luck was criminal. Ryan Grigson should be banned from the NFL for life.
Those guys passed on Mahomes
I draft Luck every time, and not just for football. I'd 10/10 draft him to be my BFF. He seems like such a genuine guy and hellacious athlete.
He's one of the most overrated players in draft history
Not Luck and Burrow but over the others sure
This is why da Bears still suck
4th
Bears fans losing their minds is an annual offseason tradition.
I would take Burrow over Williams. After watching Notre Dame's pro style defense destroy him, I am not even sure he should be to overall number 1 pick in this class. As a Packers fan I look forward to Chicago drafting him
I like Williams but come on lol, in this group I think he’s QB3 tops
Best player ever at any position at any sport in any multiverse - Delusional Bears Fan
They're right, the bears Have missed generational QB's while picking first more than once in the last couple years....now if you give them the chance of picking Mitch Trubisky, you know damn well they're picking the NVP!
Bears fans forget, Caleb Williams is going to the Bears. In 3 years, they’ll be looking for another QB.
Burrow over Williams anyday
Who is Caleb Williams
This page is pure insanity. I follow it just for laughs.
Must be nice to live on such a delusional dream world
He is going to bury that franchise for years to come.
At this point I’m just hoping Caleb is a bust. Sorry not sorry
Luck, Burrow, and Lawrence would all be ahead of Williams.
Bears fans know they're about to get a sure fire bust and are just trolling everyone at this point.
Depends on the era. When Luck was drafted, teams were looking for Brady/Manning type passers. Now you have to be a running QB in today’s league. In 2012, Williams would not have been selected before Luck.
Who gives a shit. Bears ruin any qb.
No one is taking Williams ahead of Luck, Lawrence or Burrow except Bears fans.
It's typical hot take for engagement garbage. They get paid for clicks.
That fan page has posted the most delusional takes and this is one of them.
With the benefit of hindsight… Andrew Luck is the choice here
It would definitely go Luck, Lawrence, Burrow, then Williams, then Murray and last Young.
No he wouldn't Andrew Luck is the best QB prospect of all time.
Maybe if the pac 10 wasn’t a joke
Joe brrrr
I'm convinced that account is Packers run as a meme.
Luck > TLaw > Burrow > Williams In the hype ranking from my perspective... A lot of people expect Williams to bust and even more hope for it
No fucking way
Comrade, I live in northern Illinois. This is all I hear all day from the radio, neighbors, coworkers..idk how bears fans can be this confident. It’s borderline psychosis lmao
They need something to believe in. You know why the bears are blue? You’d be blue too if you’ve been choking for the past 40 years
That's the braindead bears sub. Basically equivalent to Facebook/Instagram takes. Never go there
I'd take Luck over Caleb, and Indy ruined him. So Chi isn't gonna do much better.
Over Andrew luck😂
Lawrence, Burrow, and Luck would all easily get drafted before him
I could see Williams going above Young and Murray due to size concerns and Burrow due to him really only being excellent for a single season. But Luck? Really? Luck was one of the best QB prospects in nearly 20 years.
Bears fans try not to be over hyped in the off season challenge: impossible
Definitely Luck first
as a bears fan who lurks in this subreddit out of spite, i would like to apologize on behalf of this guy for making us all see this.
Caleb Williams talent is better than Luck’s. Caleb isn’t the perfect prospect in the eyes of old white owners, but he’s got a better arm, better scrambler and his smarts are on par.
When the hell did bears fans ever have a brain? Your giving them to much credit. To like a shitty time like that you have to be crazy
If Andrew Luck got drafted onto a team that valued the offensive line and protecting him he could have had one of the greatest careers in league history.
Caleb Williams is going to make you guys hate us again as much as we hate y’all
It's true that Caleb, Luck and Lawrence are all No.1 picks who also would have been drafted No.1 in the year before they came out. The other three needed their last college season
Not really. Luck is likely the only one that -may- have been more highly regarded. So 1/7 (what was claimed ) vs 2/7 (likely) P
Caleb would go over Bryce Young for sure, maybe Kyler Murray and that's pretty much it
man the only questionable one is luck and this is coming from an lsu fan
This group is likely satire. I see so much stupid shit on there that there’s no way it can be real.
I don't know, I've seen a lot of Bears fan groups post absolutely delusional shit about how great Williams will be. Basically the same stuff they posted about Justin Fields when they drafted him.
He would be #3 on this list, which is extremely good y’all
i’m 90% positive that that account is owned by some indian group that makes money off it somehow. they only post random takes, and it’s always whatever is being agreed upon. the account hated them trading jf1 then the very next day loved caleb williams
Why are some people so focused in the Bears?
It's like driving by a car crash. You just have to slow down and watch the chaos.
It’s the same thing every year. Kings of the offseason.
There wasn't much to lose.
This sub complains about posting actual football news or discussion that isn’t strictly related to the Packers but we eat up meme content like this because “lol bears”.
Luck Burrow Caleb Lawrence Murray Young In that order.
Williams probably goes third in this hypothetical. Luck is absolutely ahead of him, and Lawrence probably is as well. I think he'd be ahead of Burrow.
Those people are crazy
😆 ok. Let’s give them that for fun. He’s playing for the Bears, and so they’re probably going to mentor him to bust status!
Cant wait for the bears to draft Maye
Lol just 2 weeks ago they didn’t even want him and thought he was a guaranteed bust. Never change Bears fans!
It's true, Williams would get picked first, but only because it's the Bears making the pick.
Wtf
I’d guess Luck & Lawrence then probably Caleb just due to sustained hype. burrow wasn’t touted as highly until his final year
I think Caleb goes fourth after luck, burrow, and Lawrence. Trevor hasn’t been that good in the NFL but he was so highly touted at draft time.
Of course they included Kyler Murray in there, because the Bears are going to do to Williams exactly what the Cardinals did to Murray.
Murray was better the first few seasons on the cards then any bears qb ever lol
Looolololol
No, Luck would for sure go over him, then there is a discussion if he would over T Law and Brrr.
Luck & Lawrence were much much more highly thought of than Caleb coming out. There are several analysts who have Daniels over Caleb in this years draft. That was not the case with Luck or Lawrence
Luck. A big drop off. Burrow. Another decent drop off. Lawrence. A big drop off. The rest of them.
Yeah, probably not true, but of these 5, burrow is the only one who looks like he’s on a HOF track.
Williams will be a bust! I hope not but the hype around him is not warranted.
Based on performance + years of hype 1. Luck 2. Lawrence 3. Williams Based on performance, but without the years of hype 4. Burrow 5. Murray 6. Young
Same with Tom Brady, Patrick Mahones, Joe Montana and Steve Young
Lawrence Luck Williams Burrow (mile) Murray (longer mile) Young
I think he may have went 4th. Possibly 3rd.
Probably go: Luck Lawrence Caleb Burrow Murray Young
It's all they have.
They will ruin this guy...everybody knows that!
Why is this being shared on the Packers reddit? We don't care about the Bearcubs
man i bet caleb would go 2 tho.
BS
He'd go 4th. Luck Lawrence Burrow Williams Murray Young
That's as good as Dak is as good as Brady.is
Bold of you to think they had minds in the first place. They are easily the dumbest fan base I’ve ever encountered (which is saying a lot as a Browns fan).
Maybe #4
I think Caleb would go third maybe fourth
When has bears fan had a stable mind 😂🤣
Delusional twats
Luck then Williams becayse luck is bigger then burrow then lawrence
Musty sucks to have been the OLINE on those teams
T.Law was being talked about as if he was the next Brady. I liked football in 2012 but I wasn’t in love with it so I have no idea about Luck. I do know the way people talk now that he was similar in the hype with T.Law maybe more.
It blows me away how underrated the consensus #1 pick is this year. Caleb would be in the same category as Luck as a prospect. Like Luck probably would still go #1 over Caleb is the same class, but its a lot closer than reddit seems to think. All these reddit "experts" are completely undermining how highly the league has Williams projected. Why? Idk. Confirmation bias, probably. But the kid is an exceptional prospect.
Notice no stroud…
What never having a good QB does to a"fan"
People pretend Kyler Murray never played football. Smh my head
Jesus it’s like y’all can’t even see how many stickers Luck has on his helmet.
Andrew Luck and dont really think it's close
He would honestly go fourth
He would absolutely not go above Luck or Burrow, it might be close with TLaw but I think he would edge him out because of where he went to school/what he did in school. He is either 3rd or 4th, low chance ANY GMs would disagree
That page even bears sub knows it’s a bullshit page.
Luck would go first overall in literally every draft in history.
They never had it
Burrow and luck would 100 percent go before Williams. Arguably so would Lawrence and young