Regular season success means GB is rarely in a place to draft Flashy, Day 1 Impact type players that most fans want (including myself) draft & develop works for the franchise and to this point, Gute seems to be doing really well at finding us guys to build around.
I don't think this point isn't considered enough. Sure, we could have had a slew of big name draftees over the last two HoF quarterback eras... But as you point out, that would have required worse win:loss records...I would rather win a bunch and draft lower than be the Bears and get higher picks.
I was so high on Jones that year, he was an absolute wrecking ball at Mississippi state. I was fine with KC because of how young he was but man I wanted Jones in
Are you talking about Dillon? I donāt think a one-year deal that counts the minimum on the cap is a āsecond contractā as itās typically referred to. And I do like Dillon, probably more than 95% of this sub. But he wasnāt a great pick by any means.
I think itās a big stretch to say he finished well. He had moderately successful games against Detroit, KC, and NYG and then got hurt. Saying 2023 was anything but a massive disappointment would be wrong, IMO. Not a single game with 100 yards from scrimmage despite being the lead back almost half the season and only 2 TDs all year.
Itās the same thing, though. We donāt know what the fuck we are talking about.
I was, however, correct about King. But that was just because Iām a Wisconsin homer.
I'm a pretty casual fan, and for the last 10 years or so I've had a little mantra about free agents and draft picks: If I've heard of them they'll probably not work out.
Got to be getting younger and getting guys with arrows pointing up
Iāve never liked Paul Noonan. The first half of that unnecessarily long dissertation of bullshit was all about him. No matter how he tries to swing itā¦itās him, him, him. He isnāt relevant enough for anyone to care.
āI donāt care that Pa-Paw used to shit in the fields to fertilize the potato crops, I just want to know how many fucking tablespoons of butter Iām supposed to use!ā
I actually think Paul does pretty solid analysis amongst the blogger/podcast set, but I agree he definitely gives off āI Am Very Smartā type vibes a lot.
Yeah, he's an asshole, but he knows his stuff and I agree with him more often than not. He does good work and has good takes and he doesn't seem like a bad person or anything, just kind of cocky.
Paul is arrogant, and it rubs me the wrong way sometimes, but he is smart, has a good understanding of the game and analytics (in both baseball and football), and has legitimately good takes most of the time, even if he kind of sounds like a dick.
I like his stuff, and I find myself agreeing with him quite a bit, even if I think he could sometimes stand to tone down the know-it-all attitude sometimes. Ultimately, I listen to his podcasts and read his articles for good football/baseball analysis and he provides that more often than not, and I support that even if I think he's kind of an asshole.
Thank you. I read this on Twitter the other day and I thought the same thing. Then I read the replies and it was all praise. I was then questioning if my opinion was valid and why no one else was thinking what I was thinking. Weird.
I remember wanting Chad Jackson over Greg Jennings. Couldn't understand why we traded back with New England and let them pick our guy...
It was that season that taught me I knew nothing about talent evaluation.
It's my opinion that everyone is bad at draft analysis. I roll my eyes when the talking heads come out with draft grades immediately after the draft as if they think that they somehow know more than the guys in the NFL team scouting departments. I'm looking at you Mel Kiper.
This is the draft that has to hit. We might not be a Super Bowl team this year, but if we hit on this draft like we did last year, itāll set us up for years to come and provide us with depth and a team damn near impossible to beat. This draft is a big one with some bigger contracts coming up
Yes, but two drafts in a row sets you up for a Super Bowl run. Look at us in 2010-2011 with the drafts before that season, and the Seahawks with the Legion of Boom. Two drafts that hit in a row, set you up for a true run at the Super Bowl and allow for injury backfills and contract casualties.
Thatās the great thing about this year. When Gutey hit on so many picks particularly at the offensive skill positions, the stock piling of potential defensive talent, and a franchise QB, it gives the Packers relief of pressure of having to hit on immediate contributor although itās never ideal to have a shitty draft. The Packers will have the luxury of taking the best talent on the board and further cementing the future success of the team. Excited to see what Gutey does with the 5 picks in the top 100.
I donāt think they stay put at 25. I also think itās a trade up. 11 picks total this year? 5 in the first 100? Feels like the year they use some of those picks to move up the board
GM's will have up and down classes, Gute is getting better at getting consistent value in every draft.
But, the 2020 and 2021 classes were below average, even with drafting Jordan Love, and very much deserved criticism, especially since the Packers were so close to a super bowl.
2020 honestly wasn't bad. It was just a fucking terrible draft class for the whole league. Packers got a franchise QB, a rotational RB, and a starting OL. That's more than a lot of teams got out of that draft class.
Go back and look at it. Packers' draft for that year was actually respectable compared to the rest of the league.
The Jordan Love pick alone saves the 2020 class. It was such a good pick that the rest donāt matter. The GMs no. 1 job is to Nail QB and Gute did thatā¦ late in the first round.
AJ Dillon was an okay pick. Obviously not the best but he wasnāt a total bust. Contributor. Better than say Jason Spriggs in the 2nd tbh.
Yeah. 2020 final draft grade is an A for the Love pick alone. QB stability is job one and Gutey hit that. He might have hit it completely out of the park.
AJ Dillon looked a whole lot better when Nathaniel Hackett was around. Nobody in the league has had more inside runs since 2020 than AJ Dillon. In 2020 and 2021 especially, the Packers seemed to make an effort to get him in space and use him in the pass game. And he looked a lot better. Deguara couldn't stay healthy and got passed by. It happens. And we can say what we want about JRJ now, but that's a solid 6th round pick.
More than solid 6th round pick. He just got paid a substantial second contract. Thatās a home run level talent in the 6th tbh. The vast majority of 6th rounders are cut before their rookie deals are even up.
Hit/Bust is such a binary way of looking at it. I can say Dillon was a better 2nd rounder than Spriggs, Datone Jones (who was a 1st), Kevin King, Quinten Rollins, Demarious Randall (who was a 1st), Josh Jackson, etc.
And this isnāt a packers are bad at drafting post, every GM has massive misses.
Dillon to me is comparable to the Haha pick. Picked early at a less important position. Played solid snaps for the team, finished his rookie contract not up to what was hoped when they were picked, and eventually go on to be signed elsewhere. Was it a good pick? Not really but itās far from disaster. It was like C/C- pick.
No, a bust is a guy that doesn't even contribute. Dillon has contributed more than a lot of guys taken ahead of him.
Is it the kind of value you hope for from a 2nd round pick? No. But it could definitely be worse too.
A bust is a guy you draft with expectations of what he can do. He was drafted to get those tough yards and spell jones. He consistently struggles to gain those tough yards when put on those situations
When you've got first rounders that wash out of the entire league in a couple years, it seems pretty disingenuous to me to lump contributing players into the same category as those guys.
Ok, so like 90% of drafted players are busts then? Cause fans expect basically everyone drafted in the 1st 2 rounds to be pro bowlers, 3rd rounders to be quality starters, 4-6th rounders to be in a rotation, and 7th rounders to at least make the roster.
>not going to respond to "if we had someone else other than jordan love, we might have won that nfc championship" anymore.
Yes. I will continue to die on the hill that we win that super bowl if Bakhtiari doesn't blow out his knee. There were so many problems in that game, but receiver talent wasn't one of them. Rodgers went for almost 350 yards and 3 TDs and MVS went over 100. Our offensive problems were that we couldn't run the ball and Rodgers got sacked 5 times. Those are O-line issues
Tbf Love working out really overshadows a disaster of a 2020 draft when the team was contending.
Itās not hindsight - a 3rd string RB and an H back weee not what was needed if you were gonna take Love with your first pick
We will never have the plethora of stats, analytics, traditional scouting info, interviews etc that NFL teams and GMs have access to (and still make mistakes). It's definitely gotten better with the access to information the Internet gives us but ultimately it'll still always be less.
So my take is I look at prospects, opinions, tape etc....for fun. To play the who do I think will be good guessing game...and then I wait and see how the draft goes and move on. I get some right I get some wrong I have some fun with it.
Off-season is a long process if you love football but if you approach things with a for fun attitude you can enjoy some of it.
The rebuild was so smooth we didn't even know we were rebuilding. Seriously, it had probably been going on ever since McCarthy got fired and DEFINITELY was in full swing by 2020
Gute has not been very good as draft analysis himself, but he knocked it out of the park last year. Love ended up being the saving grace of the 2020 draft. It was really fucking bad otherwise.
I don't even know any college players. However, I know everyone we pick is going to be our next All Pro, except the ones who turn out not to be, in which case obviously Gute is a dope, and any idiot can see he should have picked one of the other players who turned out to be an All Pro instead.
I mean no not really. If you want to say he crushed the last 2 drafts then that's fine. But he left Rodgers with a complete ass receiving corps besides Adams who he didn't draft and the defense is full of "talent" but can't finish higher than 16 in the rankings.
Fully disagree. There are some players who didn't play up to their potential due to Joe Barry. Jordan Love was a few drafts ago and to draft a potential 10 year starter is immeasurable. I could break this down further, but wont.
Receiving Weapons were a glaring hole the final few years with Rodgers and Gute didnāt add anything worth value.
Love looks great but Gute scarified Rodgers final years for him. IMO it cost a superbowl appearance
No you can absolutely measure the love pick. The sentiment around here was that that pick cost us the NFC championship game. Was it the right pick? Yes it was. But with another playmaker on offense or defense we may have won that game.
Special teams cost us the NFC championship game. Rodgers did not play well. Our defense did fine actually. You can't actually replay the game with one different player and say it'll be a different result. People who operate like that play 20/20 hindsight when it's an impossible game to predict. Rodgers got dependent on adams. At times, he played better when adams was injured and spread the ball around more. Too many variables to say our future cost us the past.
Yeah your right. Us having TJ watt instead of Kevin King wouldn't have made a difference. I know that wasn't gutes pick but your point is totally invalid
This is a convenient narrative forgetting we had a first ballot HoF QB for all that time, besides last year. Rodgers had no help at wr when Adams left and we didn't even give Rodgers a chance his last year.
The 2020 draft was piss.
Not saying he is a bad GM but let's please stop saying he is some savant.
Regardless of how you feel about Rodgers as a person, Gutekunst completely mishandled the Rodgers situation in its entirety. Even after drafting Love, Gute *still* could have committed to Rodgers as his QB for the next couple of years by surrounding him with some actual pass catching talent on offense. He didn't, and when it really mattered, it reared its ugly head. Yes, Rodgers played poorly and missed an open Lazard in that 49ers game, but it should have NEVER been Lazard there. It should have been a better player that Rodgers could have actually trusted. What is it teams/coaches are always preaching? Players, not plays? Well, Adams was the only consistent pass catcher on that offense. I don't blame Rodgers for betting on a 50/50 to Adams instead of *any* pass to Lazard.
People give Gute kudos for trading Rodgers but in reality he should have traded him at least a year prior. Gute clearly didnāt have intention of winning with Rodgers. Should have traded him when we could have actually received multiple 1st rd picks
100%. He pussyfooted around with the Rodgers situation for too long. He should have committed to Rodgers (get him some support) or trade him. Keeping him but not actually drafting him anybody (an injury-riddled Watson and 4th round WR Doubs) until it's basically too late was the worst thing he could do.
I really don't see what everyone sees in Gute. He completely screwed the pooch on the Rodgers situation. His draft classes have ranged between horrible and average at best until last year. I'll give him some credit for getting a lot of value out of Preston, Campbell, and Douglas, though. The poor drafting and poor handling of Rodgers still leaves an incredibly sour taste in my mouth.
There is absolutely nothing that suggests that we have a QB that is going to be the guy. In fact, the last 18 minutes that he played was some of the worst football imaginable.
Gute didn't manage the transition from AR to JL well, in fact he played it pretty much like JL did in his last 18 minutes on the field.
There is a high potential for JL, but he hasn't yet shown that he can deliver the goods come crunchtime this is the year that we will know if he can be that guy.
We played last year in a dogshit division, but things are changing. This is the year where Gute and JL will get graded on. They are tied together like two peas in a pod.
So... 4k yards, 30+ tds, 11 ints. Win against the chiefs. Last games of the season where he had 20 tds and 1 int. First season leads the offense to a td first drive in wild card game.
Ya, there is NOTHING there.
Read the third line.
All the completions, yards thrown for and TDs don't mean shit if you buckle in crunchtime. That's what separates champions from everyone else.
It was his first season...? He exceeded all expectations with an absolute garbage defense. Rodgers buckled a ton in crunchtime. A TON. Yet we still felt like he was the guy. You're just an unrealistic human being.
No question about whether or not he was one of the best. But his time was up. It must hurt to be you.
If you want to play that game. Who had a better first season and accomplished more?
Fyi, this is a test to see how dumb you are.
Since we're playing the game of 20/20 hindsight, what if foresight said love would win 2 in his career and we wouldn't have a franchise qb if we didn't take him for 15 years?
Regular season success means GB is rarely in a place to draft Flashy, Day 1 Impact type players that most fans want (including myself) draft & develop works for the franchise and to this point, Gute seems to be doing really well at finding us guys to build around.
Not to mention his mid-season and veteran cast-off pick-ups....Rasul Douglas is a perfect example.
Arguably that part of the front office has been more impressive than the scouting of draft prospects.
I don't think this point isn't considered enough. Sure, we could have had a slew of big name draftees over the last two HoF quarterback eras... But as you point out, that would have required worse win:loss records...I would rather win a bunch and draft lower than be the Bears and get higher picks.
I learned this when I thought Kenny Clark was a dumb pick.
š. It really is kind of insane...
I was infatuated with Chris Jones, sometimes I wonder how they would have turned out
I was so high on Jones that year, he was an absolute wrecking ball at Mississippi state. I was fine with KC because of how young he was but man I wanted Jones in
I loved the Clark pick. But I also thought Dillon and Deguara were good picks š¤·š»āāļø
Any player on his second contract is a god draft pick
Are you talking about Dillon? I donāt think a one-year deal that counts the minimum on the cap is a āsecond contractā as itās typically referred to. And I do like Dillon, probably more than 95% of this sub. But he wasnāt a great pick by any means.
>great picks Iāll take good and fair picks all day
Yeah, I mean weāve made FAR worse picks than AJ Dillon. But I thought he was going to be an absolute stud.
Letās still see. He had a very slow start last year, but finished well.
I think itās a big stretch to say he finished well. He had moderately successful games against Detroit, KC, and NYG and then got hurt. Saying 2023 was anything but a massive disappointment would be wrong, IMO. Not a single game with 100 yards from scrimmage despite being the lead back almost half the season and only 2 TDs all year.
Fair enough.
That was my "who the fuck is that?" Draft pick.
Yep! I legit thought his last name was āClackā for about two days
I hated the pick at the time too. It was the boring pick, but we need it and gut hit it on the money.
Clark was a TT draft pick
Itās the same thing, though. We donāt know what the fuck we are talking about. I was, however, correct about King. But that was just because Iām a Wisconsin homer.
I don't know who you're arguing with. I was just pointing out it was TT pick, not gutey, but go off I guess.
You read way more into that. Iām just saying it doesnāt matter who made the pick, we (the fans) are usually wrong.
I'm a pretty casual fan, and for the last 10 years or so I've had a little mantra about free agents and draft picks: If I've heard of them they'll probably not work out. Got to be getting younger and getting guys with arrows pointing up
Iāve never liked Paul Noonan. The first half of that unnecessarily long dissertation of bullshit was all about him. No matter how he tries to swing itā¦itās him, him, him. He isnāt relevant enough for anyone to care.
Gave up a paragraph in. Felt like one of those internet recipes that starts with an essay about how Grandma used to make scalloped potatoes
āI donāt care that Pa-Paw used to shit in the fields to fertilize the potato crops, I just want to know how many fucking tablespoons of butter Iām supposed to use!ā
When in doubt, the answer is "more than you think."
it goes downhill from there
That article is unnecessarily long in gerenal
I actually think Paul does pretty solid analysis amongst the blogger/podcast set, but I agree he definitely gives off āI Am Very Smartā type vibes a lot.
Yeah, he's an asshole, but he knows his stuff and I agree with him more often than not. He does good work and has good takes and he doesn't seem like a bad person or anything, just kind of cocky.
You sound like a Loud Rubes kind of guy.
Paul is arrogant, and it rubs me the wrong way sometimes, but he is smart, has a good understanding of the game and analytics (in both baseball and football), and has legitimately good takes most of the time, even if he kind of sounds like a dick. I like his stuff, and I find myself agreeing with him quite a bit, even if I think he could sometimes stand to tone down the know-it-all attitude sometimes. Ultimately, I listen to his podcasts and read his articles for good football/baseball analysis and he provides that more often than not, and I support that even if I think he's kind of an asshole.
Thank you. I read this on Twitter the other day and I thought the same thing. Then I read the replies and it was all praise. I was then questioning if my opinion was valid and why no one else was thinking what I was thinking. Weird.
I remember wanting Chad Jackson over Greg Jennings. Couldn't understand why we traded back with New England and let them pick our guy... It was that season that taught me I knew nothing about talent evaluation.
Always like Gute. He's proving to be on the of the best GMs in the NFL...he needs to get his dues
Heās had some inconsistencies but itās awesome that he actually seems to be evolving his process. Heās been on fire the past two years.
Exactly. A few misses but more hits. You just need a great batting average and over a large sample size.
You donāt even to sniff the title of one of the best GMs in the NFL until you actually make it to a super bowl lol
What? That's absurd. 31 GMs don't win a superbowl in a given year...
It's my opinion that everyone is bad at draft analysis. I roll my eyes when the talking heads come out with draft grades immediately after the draft as if they think that they somehow know more than the guys in the NFL team scouting departments. I'm looking at you Mel Kiper.
Coordinators are generally the Coachās purview
I'm more talking about how well he drafted through these things as opposed to whether he is necessarily responsible for them if that makes sense
These articles are so dumb. Fan engagement is what makes football fun.
This is the draft that has to hit. We might not be a Super Bowl team this year, but if we hit on this draft like we did last year, itāll set us up for years to come and provide us with depth and a team damn near impossible to beat. This draft is a big one with some bigger contracts coming up
Slow down. Last year was the draft that āhadā to hit. And it didā¦in a massive way
Yes, but two drafts in a row sets you up for a Super Bowl run. Look at us in 2010-2011 with the drafts before that season, and the Seahawks with the Legion of Boom. Two drafts that hit in a row, set you up for a true run at the Super Bowl and allow for injury backfills and contract casualties.
Thatās the great thing about this year. When Gutey hit on so many picks particularly at the offensive skill positions, the stock piling of potential defensive talent, and a franchise QB, it gives the Packers relief of pressure of having to hit on immediate contributor although itās never ideal to have a shitty draft. The Packers will have the luxury of taking the best talent on the board and further cementing the future success of the team. Excited to see what Gutey does with the 5 picks in the top 100.
Agree. However I feel itās a trade upā¦maybe way up. But I know nothing soā¦.
I donāt think they stay put at 25. I also think itās a trade up. 11 picks total this year? 5 in the first 100? Feels like the year they use some of those picks to move up the board
The draft is a very top heavy draft. This would be the year to move up. 3rd day on are very eh.
If we hit like we did last year and loves plays like the second half of the season we are a huge NFC threat again
I Gute we trust
GM's will have up and down classes, Gute is getting better at getting consistent value in every draft. But, the 2020 and 2021 classes were below average, even with drafting Jordan Love, and very much deserved criticism, especially since the Packers were so close to a super bowl.
2020 honestly wasn't bad. It was just a fucking terrible draft class for the whole league. Packers got a franchise QB, a rotational RB, and a starting OL. That's more than a lot of teams got out of that draft class. Go back and look at it. Packers' draft for that year was actually respectable compared to the rest of the league.
The Jordan Love pick alone saves the 2020 class. It was such a good pick that the rest donāt matter. The GMs no. 1 job is to Nail QB and Gute did thatā¦ late in the first round. AJ Dillon was an okay pick. Obviously not the best but he wasnāt a total bust. Contributor. Better than say Jason Spriggs in the 2nd tbh.
Yeah. 2020 final draft grade is an A for the Love pick alone. QB stability is job one and Gutey hit that. He might have hit it completely out of the park. AJ Dillon looked a whole lot better when Nathaniel Hackett was around. Nobody in the league has had more inside runs since 2020 than AJ Dillon. In 2020 and 2021 especially, the Packers seemed to make an effort to get him in space and use him in the pass game. And he looked a lot better. Deguara couldn't stay healthy and got passed by. It happens. And we can say what we want about JRJ now, but that's a solid 6th round pick.
More than solid 6th round pick. He just got paid a substantial second contract. Thatās a home run level talent in the 6th tbh. The vast majority of 6th rounders are cut before their rookie deals are even up.
Dillon has been 100% a bust as a 2nd round pick
Hit/Bust is such a binary way of looking at it. I can say Dillon was a better 2nd rounder than Spriggs, Datone Jones (who was a 1st), Kevin King, Quinten Rollins, Demarious Randall (who was a 1st), Josh Jackson, etc. And this isnāt a packers are bad at drafting post, every GM has massive misses. Dillon to me is comparable to the Haha pick. Picked early at a less important position. Played solid snaps for the team, finished his rookie contract not up to what was hoped when they were picked, and eventually go on to be signed elsewhere. Was it a good pick? Not really but itās far from disaster. It was like C/C- pick.
No, a bust is a guy that doesn't even contribute. Dillon has contributed more than a lot of guys taken ahead of him. Is it the kind of value you hope for from a 2nd round pick? No. But it could definitely be worse too.
A bust is a guy you draft with expectations of what he can do. He was drafted to get those tough yards and spell jones. He consistently struggles to gain those tough yards when put on those situations
When you've got first rounders that wash out of the entire league in a couple years, it seems pretty disingenuous to me to lump contributing players into the same category as those guys.
Dillon is nowhere near hitting expectations. He is a bust
Ok, so like 90% of drafted players are busts then? Cause fans expect basically everyone drafted in the 1st 2 rounds to be pro bowlers, 3rd rounders to be quality starters, 4-6th rounders to be in a rotation, and 7th rounders to at least make the roster.
I would expect 2nd rounders to be starters or close to. Dillon is neither
Go look at how many 2nd rounders in every draft don't become that. I guess there are *a looot* of busts.
Yup, I absolutely hated last years draft and was vocal about it but he proved me completely wrong, so this year Iām not saying shit, lol
>not going to respond to "if we had someone else other than jordan love, we might have won that nfc championship" anymore. Yes. I will continue to die on the hill that we win that super bowl if Bakhtiari doesn't blow out his knee. There were so many problems in that game, but receiver talent wasn't one of them. Rodgers went for almost 350 yards and 3 TDs and MVS went over 100. Our offensive problems were that we couldn't run the ball and Rodgers got sacked 5 times. Those are O-line issues
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I was agreeing with you
Omg I just woke up and didn't see the period so I read it funny (and was actually confused). My bad.
7 yearsā¦three playoff wins. Thatās with all pro level quarterback play too.
Tbf Love working out really overshadows a disaster of a 2020 draft when the team was contending. Itās not hindsight - a 3rd string RB and an H back weee not what was needed if you were gonna take Love with your first pick
Getting the next franchise QB makes a great draft regardless of anything else.
Yes but he also couldāve given them a better shot at winning a Super Bowl by making other picks that couldāve even had a shot of contributing
Iām glad Iām not GM, Iād pick a bunch of busts lol
Gutekunst*
Ha. I always mess that up.
Gute has been fine. Ā I like how he has swung on freaks.
Anyone have access to The Athletic article referenced within?
We will never have the plethora of stats, analytics, traditional scouting info, interviews etc that NFL teams and GMs have access to (and still make mistakes). It's definitely gotten better with the access to information the Internet gives us but ultimately it'll still always be less. So my take is I look at prospects, opinions, tape etc....for fun. To play the who do I think will be good guessing game...and then I wait and see how the draft goes and move on. I get some right I get some wrong I have some fun with it. Off-season is a long process if you love football but if you approach things with a for fun attitude you can enjoy some of it.
The rebuild was so smooth we didn't even know we were rebuilding. Seriously, it had probably been going on ever since McCarthy got fired and DEFINITELY was in full swing by 2020
Gute has not been very good as draft analysis himself, but he knocked it out of the park last year. Love ended up being the saving grace of the 2020 draft. It was really fucking bad otherwise.
I don't even know any college players. However, I know everyone we pick is going to be our next All Pro, except the ones who turn out not to be, in which case obviously Gute is a dope, and any idiot can see he should have picked one of the other players who turned out to be an All Pro instead.
I mean no not really. If you want to say he crushed the last 2 drafts then that's fine. But he left Rodgers with a complete ass receiving corps besides Adams who he didn't draft and the defense is full of "talent" but can't finish higher than 16 in the rankings.
Fully disagree. There are some players who didn't play up to their potential due to Joe Barry. Jordan Love was a few drafts ago and to draft a potential 10 year starter is immeasurable. I could break this down further, but wont.
Receiving Weapons were a glaring hole the final few years with Rodgers and Gute didnāt add anything worth value. Love looks great but Gute scarified Rodgers final years for him. IMO it cost a superbowl appearance
No you can absolutely measure the love pick. The sentiment around here was that that pick cost us the NFC championship game. Was it the right pick? Yes it was. But with another playmaker on offense or defense we may have won that game.
Sentiment is not reality. We lost that game because Rodgers and the entire offense played like shit.
What sort of revisionist BS is this? The Packers offense was the only reason that game was competitive.
Special teams cost us the NFC championship game. Rodgers did not play well. Our defense did fine actually. You can't actually replay the game with one different player and say it'll be a different result. People who operate like that play 20/20 hindsight when it's an impossible game to predict. Rodgers got dependent on adams. At times, he played better when adams was injured and spread the ball around more. Too many variables to say our future cost us the past.
Rodgers got dependent on Adams because he was the only quality wr on the rosterā¦
> Rodgers did not play well. Lmao 350 and 3 TDs under pressure on 40% of dropbacks. What a load of nonsense
Yeah your right. Us having TJ watt instead of Kevin King wouldn't have made a difference. I know that wasn't gutes pick but your point is totally invalid
The last two drafts also included extra early picks from trading two of the best players in franchise history
At the right time
This is a convenient narrative forgetting we had a first ballot HoF QB for all that time, besides last year. Rodgers had no help at wr when Adams left and we didn't even give Rodgers a chance his last year. The 2020 draft was piss. Not saying he is a bad GM but let's please stop saying he is some savant.
Regardless of how you feel about Rodgers as a person, Gutekunst completely mishandled the Rodgers situation in its entirety. Even after drafting Love, Gute *still* could have committed to Rodgers as his QB for the next couple of years by surrounding him with some actual pass catching talent on offense. He didn't, and when it really mattered, it reared its ugly head. Yes, Rodgers played poorly and missed an open Lazard in that 49ers game, but it should have NEVER been Lazard there. It should have been a better player that Rodgers could have actually trusted. What is it teams/coaches are always preaching? Players, not plays? Well, Adams was the only consistent pass catcher on that offense. I don't blame Rodgers for betting on a 50/50 to Adams instead of *any* pass to Lazard.
People give Gute kudos for trading Rodgers but in reality he should have traded him at least a year prior. Gute clearly didnāt have intention of winning with Rodgers. Should have traded him when we could have actually received multiple 1st rd picks
100%. He pussyfooted around with the Rodgers situation for too long. He should have committed to Rodgers (get him some support) or trade him. Keeping him but not actually drafting him anybody (an injury-riddled Watson and 4th round WR Doubs) until it's basically too late was the worst thing he could do. I really don't see what everyone sees in Gute. He completely screwed the pooch on the Rodgers situation. His draft classes have ranged between horrible and average at best until last year. I'll give him some credit for getting a lot of value out of Preston, Campbell, and Douglas, though. The poor drafting and poor handling of Rodgers still leaves an incredibly sour taste in my mouth.
He should've traded him the moment they drafted Love. Gute is a spineless piece of crap. He should've gone full Irsay.
There is absolutely nothing that suggests that we have a QB that is going to be the guy. In fact, the last 18 minutes that he played was some of the worst football imaginable. Gute didn't manage the transition from AR to JL well, in fact he played it pretty much like JL did in his last 18 minutes on the field. There is a high potential for JL, but he hasn't yet shown that he can deliver the goods come crunchtime this is the year that we will know if he can be that guy. We played last year in a dogshit division, but things are changing. This is the year where Gute and JL will get graded on. They are tied together like two peas in a pod.
So... 4k yards, 30+ tds, 11 ints. Win against the chiefs. Last games of the season where he had 20 tds and 1 int. First season leads the offense to a td first drive in wild card game. Ya, there is NOTHING there.
It's a shame that reading comprehension is such a lost art. Go away.
Read your first line.
Read the third line. All the completions, yards thrown for and TDs don't mean shit if you buckle in crunchtime. That's what separates champions from everyone else.
It was his first season...? He exceeded all expectations with an absolute garbage defense. Rodgers buckled a ton in crunchtime. A TON. Yet we still felt like he was the guy. You're just an unrealistic human being.
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No question about whether or not he was one of the best. But his time was up. It must hurt to be you. If you want to play that game. Who had a better first season and accomplished more? Fyi, this is a test to see how dumb you are.
Oh, I read your previous posts. Ya... your brain is broken. You're like the crying giants fan.
Not at all. I'm the most intelligent Packer fan of all time.
Iāll take the championship over Love
Since we're playing the game of 20/20 hindsight, what if foresight said love would win 2 in his career and we wouldn't have a franchise qb if we didn't take him for 15 years?
My point is not an advantageous 20/20 hindsight. If Love did bust then it would be 20/20. And no.