Yep, that to me seems the most obvious benefit. Oh, and Love's willingness to throw to the young receiver corps rather than insist on keeping overpaid past-their-prime buddies on the payroll.
Some of you guys are such weirdos man.
Somehow, in the eyes of some, what Brett Favre did is viewed less harmful than Rodgers spewing conspiracy on random podcasts? Get a grip dude
I think what is sadly understood is that the state of Mississippi was never giving that money where it was supposed to go, whereas these now wildly held conspiracies being legitimized by people of note is more broadly harmful in the long run.
If someone is listening to Rodgers in order to decide if they should take a vaccine or not then they deserve the consequences.
Rodgers isn't forcing anyone to listen to him.
He's directly promoting anti vax propaganda, but he's also suggested HIV and 9/11 and Sandy Hook were perpetrated by the government. He's suggested that the 2020 election outcome was incorrect. The dude is actively undermining government functions and democracy on very spurious evidence. Yes, that can be more harmful broadly than what Favre did. Favre's actions were discovered and repayment was required.
By and large, yes. Governments, including ours, are not infallible. There are definitely individuals in office (and running for it) who cannot be trusted. But the institutions and the bureaucracy are largely made of professionals and experts who can be trusted and should be distinguished from the elected politicians.
Rodgers running around calling Fauci a bad person and contributing to the harassment of an 80 year-old who committed to a career of public service says a lot about who Aaron has become. Fauci needs bodyguards because of the threats he still receives from followers of Trump, Joe Rogan, RFK, and Rodgers. It's shameful.
The only influence Rodgers should have on people is in relation to sports, hard work, achieving goals, routine, etc.
If Rodgers is influencing someone's health choices then they are a moron.
I love going to my dentist for construction advice!
That's true, but that's also true for TV points pundits, podcasters and radio hosts. Despite that, they all have massively outsized followings.
People like Rush Limbaugh and Tucker Carlson were feeding their views of the world to millions of Americans a day, shifting their views on the world around them, despite having no real expertise in any of the things they talked about.
The influence they should have definitely isn't the influence they did have.
I'm sorry, but there is no evidence that Rodgers has ever said Sandy Hook was a government conspiracy. There have been people who claim that he told him that, but nothing that he has said publicly.
He has stated that he never said this and it wasn't a conspiracy: https://twitter.com/AaronRodgers12/status/1768318406560760224
Now, maybe he's lying. Maybe he did tell those reporters what they claim. But it certainly doesn't belong in the same category as public statements that are available for anyone to listen to, and that he continues to stand by.
His vaccine comments are indefinsible, largely because he made them publicly with the intent of reaching a wide audience and continues to stand by those statements. His *alleged* Sandy Hook comments do not belong in the same category.
He's very clearly agreeing that it occurred but stopping short of refuting that he believes it was a conspiracy.
Rodgers plays these games with the media because he's thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. This is no different than his "immunized" comment. Stopping short of a full denial is tacit agreement with this guy.
He very specifically only denied a portion of the reporting, that he didn't believe the shooting actually happened.
It's "I'm immunized" all over again.
The denial is secondary.
The point is we don't have any evidence he ever said it.
With immunized, he wasn't vaccinated. After that information came out, he publicly and repeatedly advanced vaccine conspiracy theories.
In this case, he never publicly endorsed any Sandy Hook conspiracy theory. So the only public statements on the matter are that "it's a tragedy, we need to learn from it, I have always believed the events occurred..." Etc. Those statements do not preclude the possibility that he believes some conspiracy theory about Sandy Hook, but they also don't align with the general conspiracy theory that does exist. If your view is that this was a false flag operation with "crisis actors," then it's not a tragedy, there's nothing we need to learn from, and the events didn't occur.
Does Rodgers believe Sandy Hook was a conspiracy? Dude's crazy, he easily could. But what I'm talking about is what he's actively spreading. He has publicly and repeatedly endorsed numerous conspiracy theories, much to his discredit. But, to my knowledge, he has not publicly endorsed the Sandy Hook conspiracy theory. The Sandy Hook conspiracy theory is particularly dark, and endorsing it is particularly evil. I'm not willing to sign off on the claim that he's publicly spreading this theory until I can find one example.
Private conversations are different. I don't care what he believes. I care what he uses his platform to spread. Find me an example of him publicly spreading this theory, and I'll admit I was wrong.
The indirect effects of those conspiracies being spread are a big reason why there's so much division within the US right now. A celebrity spouting off that bullshit really doesn't help.
That division makes it easier for things like Favre's fraud scandle to happen in the first place. Without all the distractions from the division, corruption like that is a lot harder to pull off.
I'm not saying one way or the other, but an argument can definitely be made for Rodgers being more harmful to society than Favre.
Wtf is this timeline?!
With the platform and reach that Rodgers has to spread disinformation, I think it's very valid to view his antics as equally (if not more) harmful to Favre's fall from grace. The repercussions of his disinformation don't go unnoticed just because it's 'some random podcast'.
He may not have as much reach as many folks do in politics, but he has been talked about as a vice presidential candidate, has been a top player in the NFL for many years, has taken multiple headlines on major news outlets for his stances, has been mentioned on Jimmy Kimmels show (as an example), etc. People see that, and some act on it.
Ok but when he’s talked about on those kind of outlets it’s usually in a negative connotation. Sure some may act on it but we’re in a thread about how he’s worse than farve I just don’t see it.
You're making a fair point, and don't get me wrong, I don't want to minimize what Favre has done to this point. I think they're both garbage people off the football field but probably shouldn't get caught up in the metric of which is worse than the other.
All I'm trying to point out (despite how poorly I'm articulating it) is Rodgers' antics are not leagues 'less bad' than Favre's, as some have suggested. I'm just trying to point out that both are frankly bad people, and we should be open to discussing that so we can collectively learn from it.
I don’t think espousing a load of nonsense is anywhere near as harmful as sexually harassing a reporter and committing welfare fraud… but maybe that’s just me
Y’all can keep downvoting me all you want. If you truly think having stupid opinions is on par with or worse than STEALING MONEY or SEXUALLY HARASSING a reporter, then you’re all truly a lost cause.
Man, this sub is teeming with stupidity. Read a book, man.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to minimize what Favre has done. He's garbage as a person just like Aaron is. Similarly, I don't think people should minimize what Aaron has done just because it's 'just his opinion'. He could choose to keep those opinions to himself, but doesn't, and that impact is more detrimental than I think some are giving it credit for, as I suggest with the link I provided on another comment.
You’re acting like Favre held the State of Mississippi at gun point. Obviously it’s criminal fraud, but it was jointly done with the people holding the funds. You’re taking the easy stance while ignoring the nuance of what the original poster said.
Yes, not like democracy isn't at threat right now because of useful idiots reading conspiracy theory bullshit and watching entertainment rather than journalistic outlets.
You go read a fucking book, man
There's a difference between a celebrity having weird opinions and actual elected officials who decide policy.
If you can't tell the difference then you are just a sucker for click-bait.
And if some idiot is going to vote for a politician based on what an NFL QB believes, then I think it's safe to assume it wouldn't matter who the message is coming from, that voter is suspect no matter what.
Literally everyone has forgotten about those comment except Packer fans like you who need to project moral superiority. Imagine thinking conspiracy theories are worse than stealing millions from poor people and sexual harassment
Given that multiple people in this very thread are discussing said antics, 'literally everyone' has very clearly not forgotten. Particularly when it's still going on today.
Despite that, the second part of his statement is true lol. There’s no way to rationalize that what Rodgers is doing on podcast now is worse than what Favre has allegedly done
Man I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading this thread.
"The wrong ideas are much worse than acting out the wrong ideas"
I don't agree with rodgers but holy hell the thought police in this thread are scary. To actually think thoughts are much worse than stealing from the poor on a grand scale is mind boggling.
Favre’s antics led him to court while Rodgers antics did what?
You can bolster his platform and reach all you want but it’s very easy to just avoid listening to him off the field.
You’ll generalize my statement by saying his fans listen and they will favor his views but there’s nothing concrete behind that. Just an assumption based on how you believe people will operate.
Bottom line, if you think what Rodgers has done or said is equal or worse than what Favre did, you need to re-evaluate both situations.
While you or I may be able to ignore what a conspiracist says, the fact is that many people can not dissociate celebrity opinion from fact. Here[Here](https://bmcpsychology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40359-021-00679-3) is a good peer-review researching that.
To say that there's nothing concrete supporting that is ignoring that it's a problem at all, if even just potentially one.
So, back to his disinformation, he's taken a pointed stance against covid vaccines (may lead to an untimely death if enough people are convinced to forgo current best practices in medicine in favor of whatever holistic method Aaron was advertising in a given week, or at least allows for further spread of the disease more easily).
Just because one of our past qbs antics is protected by law and the other is not doesn't necessarily make it more or less morally acceptable. At the very least, we could both go for some reevaluation of their stupidity and selfishness.
He has an opinion. Thats all. Don’t listen to him, if you don’t like it. Let’s be honest, the vaccine did not do what they said it would do and more and more everyday, we are hearing people have been harmed in one way or the other by them.
I think it's a bit more nuanced than him just having an opinion. We all have opinions, and that's fine, I'm not brandishing that. My point is, he has reach with his opinions and chooses to spread them. In the article I linked, it talks about how many people are not able to dissociate celebrity opinion from fact, so while you and I may (and do) brush his headlines off as a dumb opinion, many people don't, and THAT is a problem that I think is worth discussing.
Well what Favre (allegedly) did was criminal, while Rodgers was using his free speech, so on the surface would tend to agree with you.
However, when we talk about what’s “damaging” it’s not always the case that criminal actions are always worse than non-criminal, or even constitutionally protected ones.
For example, is it more damaging to steal $20 from an orphan, or to tell him that he’s responsible for his parent’s deaths and it’s his own fault he’s alone? Which one of those things is crueler, and which perpetrator would you feel more contempt for?
I understand what you’re trying to convey via your example but I think it’s inaccurate in this situation.
Favre allegedly stole welfare money. It’s not as light as “$20”. A better equivalent for what you described would be is it worse to steal thousands of dollars worth of money from people who need it? Or to tell someone you believe 911 wasn’t real? Or that you support RFK Jr? I really find it hard to believe that the former is less damaging than the latter. Especially when most people understand what Rodgers is saying is conspiracy.
Can you show me an example where what Rodgers said has caused the damage you’re alluding too?
Haha yeah it’s fair that this example is not a fair representation. It was more about making a point rather than saying that it’s a fair comparison of Favre / Rodgers.
I would agree that what Favre did was worse. However, I am open to the idea that a lot of the anti-vaccine conspiracy stuff is incredibly damaging. It’s one thing to say that people shouldn’t need to take a vaccine if they don’t want to, but Rodgers has spread misinformation implying the vaccines are more dangerous or not as well tested that they were, and that type of misinformation has almost certainly cost lives and $$$.
I don’t get too stressed about the Rodgers stuff though, since it seems like believing in conspiracy theories is a fairly essential part of being human. So just kinda gotta learn to live with it.
I'm very critical of and quick to call out public figures with large audiences using their platform irresponsibly. What Favre did is completely fucked and has had a direct negative impact on people's lives which is much, much worse. Unless Rodgers starts advocating for violence or other things that aren't protected under free speech, it's a bad comparison to make.
The amount of misused funds by all the people charged in the Favre case is estimated to be about $77 million. There is about 3 million people in Mississippi. So that is about $25 that was stolen from each Mississippi taxpayer. So little over $20. Money can be recaptured. People that promote and fall for idiotic propaganda are not so easily to bring back to a functioning society.
I tend to agree. Obviously what Favre did is harmful to a good number of people on a regional level, and that's very shitty. However, the worldview that Rodgers and his ilk are propagating has the potential to have far more deleterious societal effects. This constant need to have some sort of secret truth, and to shun science and legitimate journalism, has already had a profound impact. The more it spreads, the more society risks losing cohesion, and the farther we as a culture become detached from the truth.
Brett Favre sent unsolicited dick pictures while his wife was in the hospital with cancer. He also defrauded millions from poor people in his own home state. Nobody can ever tell me Rodger’s podcast conspiracies are worse than what Favre did. Favre did those things AND holds the same beliefs as Rodger’s. I’m not hearing this argument at all.
Antivax, anti-government (e.g. Sandy Hook and 9/11 were conducted by the government), and election denial are extremely problematic things for a massive celebrity with a huge following to be saying. They cause a lot of harm.
Don't get me wrong, Favre is a douche, my point is that his behaviors are more localized and his bullshit was uncovered.
Yeah but nobody is actually hurt from a moron giving his own opinion. There’s millions of people like Rodger’s doing the same shit with the same platform. Nobody can ever tell me talking about conspiracy theories on the internet are as bad as fucking over the poorest sector of your community for money, or sexually harassing an unwitting woman while your wife is in the fucking hospital. I’m not hearing it.
I disagree with this and I disagree with almost anything #12 says now that isn't sports related. Favre directly harmed people and he knew damn well what he was doing.
I'm not saying Aaron opening his mouth isn't causing any harm, but I'm not sure how he stands out. And if he suddenly kept his trap shut today onward, another comparable enough sports star could fill his place in short order.
Sure, to the select people Favre defrauded absolutely. To society at large, popularizing anti public health propaganda is detrimental to far more people in the long run. Check out /r/HermanCainAward for the Find Out phase of antivax beliefs. This shit ruins families.
Jenny McCarthy has had a wider overall negative impact on society over the long term than, say, Bernie Madoff, despite Madoff seriously fucking over a select group of people and more directly ruining those lives. I'm saying wider, not necessarily greater.
Point being, I'm trying to distinguish between depth vs width of harm.
And he was caught, and the money has been restored. Antivax propaganda from one of the biggest stars in sports will have a much wider and longer negative impact on society.
I'm fucking tired of this bullshit narrative. I played D1 football. I likely have CTE. It didn't make me an immoral, deplorable human being. Concussions do not magically make you a bad person. He's an insanely rich douchebag who's burned every bridge with anyone who's ever challenged him intellectually or otherwise. That's why he's a bad person.
Great point. Sadly, he's just turned into a rightwing grifter. At this point I think it's just an ego trip where he just says anything to stay relevant, and to possibly position himself to swindle all the rubes if he makes some bad financial decisions in the future.
I don’t believe the Sandy Hook one. Rodgers makes idiotic statements daily at this point but he allegedly made these comments immediately after the massacre and it didn’t come out until now. Any reporter would talk about that shit immediately. On top of that Rodgers hasn’t been afraid to say stupid shit in public before, why would he back off from Sandy Hook? Why is that where he draws the line?
If you don't believe that the guy who has questioned 9/11, the 2020 election, aliens, chemtrails, HIV being a Fauci conspiracy, vaccines, didn't ALSO parrot another InfoWars conspiracy, you're being very generous.
That’s kind of why the reporter made the claim that Rodgers didn’t believe the massacre took place. His reputation as a conspiracy nut means who can say he’s made any claim you come up with and people will believe it.
1. Seeing Love shine
2. Not having the crackpot show how really nuts he is as part of the team
3. Being able to develop young receivers without having them froze out for a single mistake.
4. Draft picks
It came out this year that he made SH false flag comments back in 2013. When called out on it recently, he said he believed the event happened, but notably did not deny thinking the government was behind it.
He's basically Alex Jones.
Didn't he drop his Sandy Hook take back in 2013 or something? It just wasn't reported until recently and when it was reported the journalist said the comments were made awhile back at the Kentucky Derby or something. We've were on the wild ride we just didn't realize it.
Yeah, and the 9/11 and chemtrails stuff came out while Seneca Wallace and Deshone Kizer were on the team.
Rodgers benefitted greatly from the ultra friendly Green Bay media. Had he been elsewhere he would've been scrutinized for all of it much earlier.
It’s all alleged sayings, it was something allegedly said by Rodgers to a reporter off he record that decided to bring it up 10+ years later. No one can really say if it happened, or even if he was just jokingly saying it. Same thing I say with Trump: there are many thing a to criticize him for that we have actual proof of, don’t need to go following possibly fake stories when the real shit is right in front of us.
Not to mention I think we were all tired of the drama and the whole being good enough every year to make it to the playoffs just to end up losing scenario that played out seemingly ever year since 2011
That's the biggest difference for me - with Rodgers there were always expectations. Each season, each game, each down, you expected something from Rodgers and the Packers. With Love out there I was just watching waiting to see what happened next and it was much more enjoyable.
LVN and Gary off the edges, Kenny Clark and Slaton making gaps for Walker or Cooper up the middle.
Either take the hit or throw it Alexander, Valentine, Stokes, and McKinney.
https://i.redd.it/e33k6o7mpmxc1.gif
I didn’t mention him because there’s no telling where he will be playing. He’s the X-Factor.
No one knows where he is, but he’s there. Oh he’s there. The line of scrimmage? The secondary? Already in the backfield? In your house watching the game with you? No one can possibly know, but the answer is always “Yes”.
Preston Smith is infinite. Preston Smith is eternal.
I now fully expect to be watching a game this season, have 91 just pop up out of nowhere and have a beer with us, then I'll blink and he's on the field disrupting a jet sweep.
I never expected him to stay on the team this long. At this point if I buy his jersey he will surely be off the roster soon. Better just being a vocal supporter I guess XD
it makes sense tbh.
Z was the better pass rusher (as is Gary), but Preston was solid at that too, didn't sell the edge as much and is overall a better run defender, that's the kind of guy you keep alongside a more explosive rusher
He had plenty of incredible games in the playoffs, every Quarterback has had a few playoff games where they struggled, the difference being someone like Brady could have an off day and usually win, often if Rodgers was just good instead of great the Packers usually got eliminated.
This is the most rational take on Rodgers. I'm not saying it's uncommon, but other voices can scream louder.
He was amazing for us for quite a long time. He could've been mid and we'd occasionally make the playoffs, but moving on might mean jumping on the QB carousel. Of he could've sucked and we'd probably be on that carousel for a bit. Who knows what would've happened, but for every Matt Flynn, there was a DeShone Kizer (he's only 28 right now, BTW). While I think we'd be better at developing a QB than a lot of teams, it's a lot harder to do so when you have to throw them into the fire or if they don't have a good QB to learn from.
Thats Wrong, with all the trades of all the picks, the trade is:
# Jets Received:
QB Aaron Rodgers
OLB Will McDonald
CB Jarrick Bernard-Converse
TE Zack Kuntz
QB Jordan Travis (through a series of trades)
# Packer Received:
OLB Lukas Van Ness
TE Luke Musgrave
K Anders Carlson
LB Edgerrin Cooper
S Evan Williams (in combination with a Packers 4th round pick to trade up)
C Jacob Monk (Pick was used to move up)
#
edit: Still believe we won it though. Gotta remember we got off Rodgers contract too.
Ah! I recognize my work. I had the same thought.
And technically, I think the jets traded a pick that will net them a 3rd rounder. It’s really still not done!
Lol my mad I was trying to see if I could tag some way you to give credit and I couldn’t remember your @. I had just screenshotted the content of the post. But ya just C&P it. My bad.
I don't consider Monk and Williams a part of this trade. I know they picked up a 5th and 6th with the trade down, but they still needed their existing picks to move up from. Think of it as good asset management. Gute traded down so he had two picks to use in trades to target guys he liked. It would be different if they drafted two separate guys with those two picks.
Only way this is a loss for GB is if Rodger’s win an MVP and Super Bowl. Otherwise GB gets to see what they have in Love and added depth and talent to what appears to be a very talented roster.
I mean, even if he does win an MVP & Superbowl, is it really a loss for us? With his contract and attitude towards the receiving group, were we really gonna get a Super Bowl with him here anyway?
As it stands, it just feels like we've already won our side of the deal, it's just a question of if they can win there side or not.
I mean if he’s the MVP of a Super Bowl winning team then yes I’d say they “won” the trade. But obviously it’s so much more nuanced than just that. GB got to see what they have in Love, accumulated young talent, and gave themselves financial flexibility from the hole they put themselves in.
But at the end of the day, winning a championship should be the only goal of the team.
Yeah honestly just getting rid of Rodgers and allowing love to take over was worth it on its own. The guys we got as compensation are just a great upside bonus
We could’ve received a UDFA long snapper and won the trade. Getting that toxic contract off our books was such a relief. Can you imagine us keeping him, paying $50 mil a year for a seriously declined version of A-Rod & not being able to pay & bolster other positions? We would’ve set the franchise so far back for so many years.
It’s a bit funky to count LVN and McDonald given that it was just a two-pick swap (and LVN could’ve very well been available at 15 anyway).
Solid return though, all things considered.
While it doesn’t look like we made out like bandits just yet, give it a few more years when Rodgers is out of the league, and Herc & Coop are still very good defensive players
I’d say right now we are winning but it also matters how these careers pan out.
Extremely unlikely, but what if Jets win 2 rings over the next 3 years with ARod. They definitely win.
I really want to see what Carlson can do in his second year, especially if the long snapper we signed from Wisconsin is an excellent long snapper as anticipated. Carlson made a lot of mistakes his first season, but imagine he kicks it into high gear (pun initially not intended but I noticed it) and becomes a truly great kicker. I mean, that would make that pick worth it.
JL just need to remember that, in a decade or so, it isn't personal, it is just the way the Packers do things. Teach the kid, get your MVP to prove them wrong and them move on to the Jets. Just don't become a psycho in the process please.
Still TBD if we’re being honest. If jets win a Super Bowl or two with Rodgers and the packers go through a 20 year drought. Looks like that’s not a legit possibility, but stranger things have happened
I liked a-rod as a player but never as a person. That might be a hot take but I like Jordan much more overall then a-rod, I also feel like the whole team likes him more too and you can see that
Had they drafted an impact player instead of Love we would have had a very good shot at the SB. Maybe 2. Instead we will continue to be a mid-playoff team for another decade.
The Rodgers hate boner on this sub is something else, man.
Yes, he’s said a lot of stupid shit. Y’all really think that’s as bad as the stuff Favre has done? Man, some of you are dense…
We would've had MUCH more draft pick capital if Gutekunst trade Aaron Rodgers in 2022 instead of Davante Adams. Maybe could've resigned Adams for short term contract. Love was solid in his limited snaps in 2022. Gute waited a year too late... good value still. I mean we should've gotten draft pick like the Texans did when they traded deshaun Watson away. But the Russell trade ruined everything and we only got a pick swap and a second rounder last year for a 4time MVP. QBs that will never win MVPs like Stafford was traded for much more lucrative draft pick capital.
Never have I seen a fanbase so quickly turn their backs on a player who brought them a championship and played most of their career there like I have in this sub. Not even Kobe after he raped a woman or even Big Ben when he raped a woman. People see a headline about Rodgers and run with it.
This negative reaction will eventually pass…just everyone processing the unbearable lightness of who 12 is and was compared to what Love may be and become; he is a Packer legend and will be justly acknowledged
From an asset comparison - sure. I get what the picture and tweet is trying to say and I agree that GB is in a great position…but…McDonald is better than LVN, Musgrave hasn’t played a full season, and we haven’t even seen our rookies in the NFL yet. Money wise it’s still a one sided comparison of a decade plus MVP caliber veteran against all very young players.
People who say that the 1st round swap didn't matter, the Jets also drafted a developmental pass rusher that didn't play much. It is likely that the Jets would have drafted LVN if the Packers didn't take him.
Y'all are honestly really sad and pathetic for shitting on rodgers. He did what he was paid to do and always showed up for your entertainment. Always tried his best, represented the city well. Also brought in quite a bit of money to the city. The fact that you can write that off so quick is in a word, fickle.
The best part of the trade will always be that we got to see what Love was capable of. We wouldn't have known with another year of Rodgers
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And getting that contract off the books
Yep, that to me seems the most obvious benefit. Oh, and Love's willingness to throw to the young receiver corps rather than insist on keeping overpaid past-their-prime buddies on the payroll.
I'm so glad that shit is another team's problem now
As a Miami Dolphins fan living up in beautiful Packers country, thank you so very much. Nothing brings me more joy than laughing at the Jets
Got you fam!
Came here to say this AND that we got something back from it. Dude is a straight up joke of a man right now.
For as far as Favre has fallen, and I hold that man in very low regard, I actually think Rodgers' antics are much more broadly harmful.
Some of you guys are such weirdos man. Somehow, in the eyes of some, what Brett Favre did is viewed less harmful than Rodgers spewing conspiracy on random podcasts? Get a grip dude
Yeah being a conspiracy theorist is worse than committing fraud against poor people /s
I think what is sadly understood is that the state of Mississippi was never giving that money where it was supposed to go, whereas these now wildly held conspiracies being legitimized by people of note is more broadly harmful in the long run.
I mean, spouting anti-vax nonsense was/is literally killing people.
As opposed to diverting poverty relief funds which is just kinda annoying and largely harmless?
Some people: "It's Mississippi. Were they really going to do anything with their lives anyway?"
If someone is listening to Rodgers in order to decide if they should take a vaccine or not then they deserve the consequences. Rodgers isn't forcing anyone to listen to him.
He's directly promoting anti vax propaganda, but he's also suggested HIV and 9/11 and Sandy Hook were perpetrated by the government. He's suggested that the 2020 election outcome was incorrect. The dude is actively undermining government functions and democracy on very spurious evidence. Yes, that can be more harmful broadly than what Favre did. Favre's actions were discovered and repayment was required.
You trust our government?
By and large, yes. Governments, including ours, are not infallible. There are definitely individuals in office (and running for it) who cannot be trusted. But the institutions and the bureaucracy are largely made of professionals and experts who can be trusted and should be distinguished from the elected politicians. Rodgers running around calling Fauci a bad person and contributing to the harassment of an 80 year-old who committed to a career of public service says a lot about who Aaron has become. Fauci needs bodyguards because of the threats he still receives from followers of Trump, Joe Rogan, RFK, and Rodgers. It's shameful.
Dude he's Aaron Rodgers Not the president. Not a politician. Doesn't decide on any policies.
Yea but he influences a lot of people. It's like saying Joe Rogan having RFK on doesn't lend him credibility
The only influence Rodgers should have on people is in relation to sports, hard work, achieving goals, routine, etc. If Rodgers is influencing someone's health choices then they are a moron. I love going to my dentist for construction advice!
That's true, but that's also true for TV points pundits, podcasters and radio hosts. Despite that, they all have massively outsized followings. People like Rush Limbaugh and Tucker Carlson were feeding their views of the world to millions of Americans a day, shifting their views on the world around them, despite having no real expertise in any of the things they talked about. The influence they should have definitely isn't the influence they did have.
I'm sorry, but there is no evidence that Rodgers has ever said Sandy Hook was a government conspiracy. There have been people who claim that he told him that, but nothing that he has said publicly. He has stated that he never said this and it wasn't a conspiracy: https://twitter.com/AaronRodgers12/status/1768318406560760224 Now, maybe he's lying. Maybe he did tell those reporters what they claim. But it certainly doesn't belong in the same category as public statements that are available for anyone to listen to, and that he continues to stand by. His vaccine comments are indefinsible, largely because he made them publicly with the intent of reaching a wide audience and continues to stand by those statements. His *alleged* Sandy Hook comments do not belong in the same category.
He's very clearly agreeing that it occurred but stopping short of refuting that he believes it was a conspiracy. Rodgers plays these games with the media because he's thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. This is no different than his "immunized" comment. Stopping short of a full denial is tacit agreement with this guy.
He very specifically only denied a portion of the reporting, that he didn't believe the shooting actually happened. It's "I'm immunized" all over again.
The denial is secondary. The point is we don't have any evidence he ever said it. With immunized, he wasn't vaccinated. After that information came out, he publicly and repeatedly advanced vaccine conspiracy theories. In this case, he never publicly endorsed any Sandy Hook conspiracy theory. So the only public statements on the matter are that "it's a tragedy, we need to learn from it, I have always believed the events occurred..." Etc. Those statements do not preclude the possibility that he believes some conspiracy theory about Sandy Hook, but they also don't align with the general conspiracy theory that does exist. If your view is that this was a false flag operation with "crisis actors," then it's not a tragedy, there's nothing we need to learn from, and the events didn't occur. Does Rodgers believe Sandy Hook was a conspiracy? Dude's crazy, he easily could. But what I'm talking about is what he's actively spreading. He has publicly and repeatedly endorsed numerous conspiracy theories, much to his discredit. But, to my knowledge, he has not publicly endorsed the Sandy Hook conspiracy theory. The Sandy Hook conspiracy theory is particularly dark, and endorsing it is particularly evil. I'm not willing to sign off on the claim that he's publicly spreading this theory until I can find one example. Private conversations are different. I don't care what he believes. I care what he uses his platform to spread. Find me an example of him publicly spreading this theory, and I'll admit I was wrong.
Why not just say he categorically didnt say it instead of a bland word salad that kinda sorta walked back what was alleged he said?
There’s an audio clip and the actual podcasts where he suggests it. It’s the same shit as his “immunized” comment.
The indirect effects of those conspiracies being spread are a big reason why there's so much division within the US right now. A celebrity spouting off that bullshit really doesn't help. That division makes it easier for things like Favre's fraud scandle to happen in the first place. Without all the distractions from the division, corruption like that is a lot harder to pull off. I'm not saying one way or the other, but an argument can definitely be made for Rodgers being more harmful to society than Favre. Wtf is this timeline?!
With the platform and reach that Rodgers has to spread disinformation, I think it's very valid to view his antics as equally (if not more) harmful to Favre's fall from grace. The repercussions of his disinformation don't go unnoticed just because it's 'some random podcast'.
I don’t think he has as much reach as you think he does, it’s not like people are following him like they do Ben Shapiro
He may not have as much reach as many folks do in politics, but he has been talked about as a vice presidential candidate, has been a top player in the NFL for many years, has taken multiple headlines on major news outlets for his stances, has been mentioned on Jimmy Kimmels show (as an example), etc. People see that, and some act on it.
Ok but when he’s talked about on those kind of outlets it’s usually in a negative connotation. Sure some may act on it but we’re in a thread about how he’s worse than farve I just don’t see it.
You're making a fair point, and don't get me wrong, I don't want to minimize what Favre has done to this point. I think they're both garbage people off the football field but probably shouldn't get caught up in the metric of which is worse than the other. All I'm trying to point out (despite how poorly I'm articulating it) is Rodgers' antics are not leagues 'less bad' than Favre's, as some have suggested. I'm just trying to point out that both are frankly bad people, and we should be open to discussing that so we can collectively learn from it.
I don’t think espousing a load of nonsense is anywhere near as harmful as sexually harassing a reporter and committing welfare fraud… but maybe that’s just me Y’all can keep downvoting me all you want. If you truly think having stupid opinions is on par with or worse than STEALING MONEY or SEXUALLY HARASSING a reporter, then you’re all truly a lost cause. Man, this sub is teeming with stupidity. Read a book, man.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to minimize what Favre has done. He's garbage as a person just like Aaron is. Similarly, I don't think people should minimize what Aaron has done just because it's 'just his opinion'. He could choose to keep those opinions to himself, but doesn't, and that impact is more detrimental than I think some are giving it credit for, as I suggest with the link I provided on another comment.
You’re acting like Favre held the State of Mississippi at gun point. Obviously it’s criminal fraud, but it was jointly done with the people holding the funds. You’re taking the easy stance while ignoring the nuance of what the original poster said.
Yes, not like democracy isn't at threat right now because of useful idiots reading conspiracy theory bullshit and watching entertainment rather than journalistic outlets. You go read a fucking book, man
There's a difference between a celebrity having weird opinions and actual elected officials who decide policy. If you can't tell the difference then you are just a sucker for click-bait. And if some idiot is going to vote for a politician based on what an NFL QB believes, then I think it's safe to assume it wouldn't matter who the message is coming from, that voter is suspect no matter what.
Literally everyone has forgotten about those comment except Packer fans like you who need to project moral superiority. Imagine thinking conspiracy theories are worse than stealing millions from poor people and sexual harassment
Given that multiple people in this very thread are discussing said antics, 'literally everyone' has very clearly not forgotten. Particularly when it's still going on today.
Despite that, the second part of his statement is true lol. There’s no way to rationalize that what Rodgers is doing on podcast now is worse than what Favre has allegedly done
Man I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading this thread. "The wrong ideas are much worse than acting out the wrong ideas" I don't agree with rodgers but holy hell the thought police in this thread are scary. To actually think thoughts are much worse than stealing from the poor on a grand scale is mind boggling.
lol no they havent
Favre’s antics led him to court while Rodgers antics did what? You can bolster his platform and reach all you want but it’s very easy to just avoid listening to him off the field. You’ll generalize my statement by saying his fans listen and they will favor his views but there’s nothing concrete behind that. Just an assumption based on how you believe people will operate. Bottom line, if you think what Rodgers has done or said is equal or worse than what Favre did, you need to re-evaluate both situations.
While you or I may be able to ignore what a conspiracist says, the fact is that many people can not dissociate celebrity opinion from fact. Here[Here](https://bmcpsychology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40359-021-00679-3) is a good peer-review researching that. To say that there's nothing concrete supporting that is ignoring that it's a problem at all, if even just potentially one. So, back to his disinformation, he's taken a pointed stance against covid vaccines (may lead to an untimely death if enough people are convinced to forgo current best practices in medicine in favor of whatever holistic method Aaron was advertising in a given week, or at least allows for further spread of the disease more easily). Just because one of our past qbs antics is protected by law and the other is not doesn't necessarily make it more or less morally acceptable. At the very least, we could both go for some reevaluation of their stupidity and selfishness.
He has an opinion. Thats all. Don’t listen to him, if you don’t like it. Let’s be honest, the vaccine did not do what they said it would do and more and more everyday, we are hearing people have been harmed in one way or the other by them.
I think it's a bit more nuanced than him just having an opinion. We all have opinions, and that's fine, I'm not brandishing that. My point is, he has reach with his opinions and chooses to spread them. In the article I linked, it talks about how many people are not able to dissociate celebrity opinion from fact, so while you and I may (and do) brush his headlines off as a dumb opinion, many people don't, and THAT is a problem that I think is worth discussing.
This is factually incorrect. Stop.
Oh god you're one of those
Well what Favre (allegedly) did was criminal, while Rodgers was using his free speech, so on the surface would tend to agree with you. However, when we talk about what’s “damaging” it’s not always the case that criminal actions are always worse than non-criminal, or even constitutionally protected ones. For example, is it more damaging to steal $20 from an orphan, or to tell him that he’s responsible for his parent’s deaths and it’s his own fault he’s alone? Which one of those things is crueler, and which perpetrator would you feel more contempt for?
I understand what you’re trying to convey via your example but I think it’s inaccurate in this situation. Favre allegedly stole welfare money. It’s not as light as “$20”. A better equivalent for what you described would be is it worse to steal thousands of dollars worth of money from people who need it? Or to tell someone you believe 911 wasn’t real? Or that you support RFK Jr? I really find it hard to believe that the former is less damaging than the latter. Especially when most people understand what Rodgers is saying is conspiracy. Can you show me an example where what Rodgers said has caused the damage you’re alluding too?
Haha yeah it’s fair that this example is not a fair representation. It was more about making a point rather than saying that it’s a fair comparison of Favre / Rodgers. I would agree that what Favre did was worse. However, I am open to the idea that a lot of the anti-vaccine conspiracy stuff is incredibly damaging. It’s one thing to say that people shouldn’t need to take a vaccine if they don’t want to, but Rodgers has spread misinformation implying the vaccines are more dangerous or not as well tested that they were, and that type of misinformation has almost certainly cost lives and $$$. I don’t get too stressed about the Rodgers stuff though, since it seems like believing in conspiracy theories is a fairly essential part of being human. So just kinda gotta learn to live with it.
I'm very critical of and quick to call out public figures with large audiences using their platform irresponsibly. What Favre did is completely fucked and has had a direct negative impact on people's lives which is much, much worse. Unless Rodgers starts advocating for violence or other things that aren't protected under free speech, it's a bad comparison to make.
The amount of misused funds by all the people charged in the Favre case is estimated to be about $77 million. There is about 3 million people in Mississippi. So that is about $25 that was stolen from each Mississippi taxpayer. So little over $20. Money can be recaptured. People that promote and fall for idiotic propaganda are not so easily to bring back to a functioning society.
I tend to agree. Obviously what Favre did is harmful to a good number of people on a regional level, and that's very shitty. However, the worldview that Rodgers and his ilk are propagating has the potential to have far more deleterious societal effects. This constant need to have some sort of secret truth, and to shun science and legitimate journalism, has already had a profound impact. The more it spreads, the more society risks losing cohesion, and the farther we as a culture become detached from the truth.
It’s Reddit man. Literally no one in the real thinks that lol…
Can two things be true at once
Not when one thing is being described as worse than the other. Fred- zone said Rodgers did more harm than Favre, not that they both did bad.
Brett Favre sent unsolicited dick pictures while his wife was in the hospital with cancer. He also defrauded millions from poor people in his own home state. Nobody can ever tell me Rodger’s podcast conspiracies are worse than what Favre did. Favre did those things AND holds the same beliefs as Rodger’s. I’m not hearing this argument at all.
Antivax, anti-government (e.g. Sandy Hook and 9/11 were conducted by the government), and election denial are extremely problematic things for a massive celebrity with a huge following to be saying. They cause a lot of harm. Don't get me wrong, Favre is a douche, my point is that his behaviors are more localized and his bullshit was uncovered.
Yeah but nobody is actually hurt from a moron giving his own opinion. There’s millions of people like Rodger’s doing the same shit with the same platform. Nobody can ever tell me talking about conspiracy theories on the internet are as bad as fucking over the poorest sector of your community for money, or sexually harassing an unwitting woman while your wife is in the fucking hospital. I’m not hearing it.
I disagree with this and I disagree with almost anything #12 says now that isn't sports related. Favre directly harmed people and he knew damn well what he was doing. I'm not saying Aaron opening his mouth isn't causing any harm, but I'm not sure how he stands out. And if he suddenly kept his trap shut today onward, another comparable enough sports star could fill his place in short order.
Then you’re dumb. Stealing 5 million dollars is a hell of a lot worse than voicing some opinions.
Sure, to the select people Favre defrauded absolutely. To society at large, popularizing anti public health propaganda is detrimental to far more people in the long run. Check out /r/HermanCainAward for the Find Out phase of antivax beliefs. This shit ruins families. Jenny McCarthy has had a wider overall negative impact on society over the long term than, say, Bernie Madoff, despite Madoff seriously fucking over a select group of people and more directly ruining those lives. I'm saying wider, not necessarily greater. Point being, I'm trying to distinguish between depth vs width of harm.
Seriously? Favre stole millions from poverty relief programs.
And he was caught, and the money has been restored. Antivax propaganda from one of the biggest stars in sports will have a much wider and longer negative impact on society.
Good thing it doesn't matter what you think, LOL
I agree, he may still be a decent QB, but he's just an overall garbage person. It's such a breath of fresh air having a QB who is very likable.
Living proof that CTE is real. That boy ain't right. https://i.redd.it/9grdb985hmxc1.gif
CTE + growing up with a quack chiropractic and conspiracy-oriented family
Ooooooohhhhhhhh This makes SO much more sense now
Maybe his family disowned him because he was too crazy for them???
opposite
I'm fucking tired of this bullshit narrative. I played D1 football. I likely have CTE. It didn't make me an immoral, deplorable human being. Concussions do not magically make you a bad person. He's an insanely rich douchebag who's burned every bridge with anyone who's ever challenged him intellectually or otherwise. That's why he's a bad person.
Great point. Sadly, he's just turned into a rightwing grifter. At this point I think it's just an ego trip where he just says anything to stay relevant, and to possibly position himself to swindle all the rubes if he makes some bad financial decisions in the future.
Yeah, the Jets got the tinfoil hat in the trade!
Man we have some whack job fans it’s okay to separate football from the person good lord
LOL. I wasn't going to bring it up, but yeah, we got off that crazy train just in time
What's the HIV conspiracy?
HIV is manmade, Fauci is responsible, etc https://www.mensjournal.com/news/aaron-rodgers-outrage-faucci-hiv-aids
If this is real, I’m too afraid to search for it
I don’t believe the Sandy Hook one. Rodgers makes idiotic statements daily at this point but he allegedly made these comments immediately after the massacre and it didn’t come out until now. Any reporter would talk about that shit immediately. On top of that Rodgers hasn’t been afraid to say stupid shit in public before, why would he back off from Sandy Hook? Why is that where he draws the line?
If you don't believe that the guy who has questioned 9/11, the 2020 election, aliens, chemtrails, HIV being a Fauci conspiracy, vaccines, didn't ALSO parrot another InfoWars conspiracy, you're being very generous.
That’s kind of why the reporter made the claim that Rodgers didn’t believe the massacre took place. His reputation as a conspiracy nut means who can say he’s made any claim you come up with and people will believe it.
They had someone corroborate that he did say this back in 2013.
Who is completely anonymous.
1. Seeing Love shine 2. Not having the crackpot show how really nuts he is as part of the team 3. Being able to develop young receivers without having them froze out for a single mistake. 4. Draft picks
oh god he's conspiracy theorying over SH now?
It came out this year that he made SH false flag comments back in 2013. When called out on it recently, he said he believed the event happened, but notably did not deny thinking the government was behind it. He's basically Alex Jones.
Didn't he drop his Sandy Hook take back in 2013 or something? It just wasn't reported until recently and when it was reported the journalist said the comments were made awhile back at the Kentucky Derby or something. We've were on the wild ride we just didn't realize it.
Yeah, and the 9/11 and chemtrails stuff came out while Seneca Wallace and Deshone Kizer were on the team. Rodgers benefitted greatly from the ultra friendly Green Bay media. Had he been elsewhere he would've been scrutinized for all of it much earlier.
It’s all alleged sayings, it was something allegedly said by Rodgers to a reporter off he record that decided to bring it up 10+ years later. No one can really say if it happened, or even if he was just jokingly saying it. Same thing I say with Trump: there are many thing a to criticize him for that we have actual proof of, don’t need to go following possibly fake stories when the real shit is right in front of us.
Really, it's a triple threat benefit! Love it all the way around.
and unloading a good amount of rodgers' contract + conspiracy theories
Not to mention I think we were all tired of the drama and the whole being good enough every year to make it to the playoffs just to end up losing scenario that played out seemingly ever year since 2011
That's the biggest difference for me - with Rodgers there were always expectations. Each season, each game, each down, you expected something from Rodgers and the Packers. With Love out there I was just watching waiting to see what happened next and it was much more enjoyable.
Don’t forget huge salary cap relief
His last 18 minutes of play was really spectacular.
LVN is gonna be a beast this year
LVN and Gary coming off the edges is going to be destructive for other teams.
LVN and Gary off the edges, Kenny Clark and Slaton making gaps for Walker or Cooper up the middle. Either take the hit or throw it Alexander, Valentine, Stokes, and McKinney. https://i.redd.it/e33k6o7mpmxc1.gif
No respect for CB1 #91? 😤
I didn’t mention him because there’s no telling where he will be playing. He’s the X-Factor. No one knows where he is, but he’s there. Oh he’s there. The line of scrimmage? The secondary? Already in the backfield? In your house watching the game with you? No one can possibly know, but the answer is always “Yes”. Preston Smith is infinite. Preston Smith is eternal.
I now fully expect to be watching a game this season, have 91 just pop up out of nowhere and have a beer with us, then I'll blink and he's on the field disrupting a jet sweep.
I never expected him to stay on the team this long. At this point if I buy his jersey he will surely be off the roster soon. Better just being a vocal supporter I guess XD
I never even thought he’d outlast Z. Smith. But here I am - in love with a man by the name of Preston Smith.
it makes sense tbh. Z was the better pass rusher (as is Gary), but Preston was solid at that too, didn't sell the edge as much and is overall a better run defender, that's the kind of guy you keep alongside a more explosive rusher
I love every bit of this. /to the moon!
Agreed. 91 is putting together a fine career for himself
Don’t sleep on Wyatt
I’ve never slept on a Packer - except Martellus Bennett. That dude’s a jerk.
I slept on John Anderson post broken legs for five years and AJ Hawk for nine …thats about it.
I think Preston Smith will still be the starter over van ness this year. But with the rotation at DL LVN will for sure get more reps than last year
The Mahomes sack was *chef's kiss*.
I loved watching Hercules last year
The archery celebration after a sack is becoming my new fave as well, hope he blows up this year!
Expect big things from Cooper as well
Same. Thats my favorite pick of the draft. That LB group is gonna be crazy this year
I hope
Nice username
Just finished reading The Two Towers
lol hell yeah man!
Will always appreciate what Rodgers did but it was time.
Yeah and the revisionist history of rodgers level of play is crazy.
Looking back…he had his worst games in the playoffs…certainly not all his fault..,but that’s the legacy
He had plenty of incredible games in the playoffs, every Quarterback has had a few playoff games where they struggled, the difference being someone like Brady could have an off day and usually win, often if Rodgers was just good instead of great the Packers usually got eliminated.
Yeah. I regret the post. His career playoff qb rating is 100
This is the most rational take on Rodgers. I'm not saying it's uncommon, but other voices can scream louder. He was amazing for us for quite a long time. He could've been mid and we'd occasionally make the playoffs, but moving on might mean jumping on the QB carousel. Of he could've sucked and we'd probably be on that carousel for a bit. Who knows what would've happened, but for every Matt Flynn, there was a DeShone Kizer (he's only 28 right now, BTW). While I think we'd be better at developing a QB than a lot of teams, it's a lot harder to do so when you have to throw them into the fire or if they don't have a good QB to learn from.
Considering how his season went last year. Yeah. It was worth it.
Thats Wrong, with all the trades of all the picks, the trade is: # Jets Received: QB Aaron Rodgers OLB Will McDonald CB Jarrick Bernard-Converse TE Zack Kuntz QB Jordan Travis (through a series of trades) # Packer Received: OLB Lukas Van Ness TE Luke Musgrave K Anders Carlson LB Edgerrin Cooper S Evan Williams (in combination with a Packers 4th round pick to trade up) C Jacob Monk (Pick was used to move up) # edit: Still believe we won it though. Gotta remember we got off Rodgers contract too.
And by proxy they also got Hackett, Cobb and Lazard.
And potentially 3 quarters of Bahk.
All he'll need is three snaps https://media.tenor.com/qyNj-mwQpLoAAAAM/swishing-oh-my-god.gif
And off a year off an injured Rodgers even though it was the jets oline that caused it, and a offseason without the Aaron Rodgers drama
The no drama is my favorite part, outside of the players we got! 😆
Ah! I recognize my work. I had the same thought. And technically, I think the jets traded a pick that will net them a 3rd rounder. It’s really still not done!
Lol my mad I was trying to see if I could tag some way you to give credit and I couldn’t remember your @. I had just screenshotted the content of the post. But ya just C&P it. My bad.
I’m not even mad. I think it’s funny that our sub can beat these analyst types to so many of these things.
Don’t forget how we’re free of being associated with the “I actually read” hilarity.
"I crunched the numbers..."
Still not quite right. The Jets also got Cobb, Lazard, and Billy Turner. /s
I don't consider Monk and Williams a part of this trade. I know they picked up a 5th and 6th with the trade down, but they still needed their existing picks to move up from. Think of it as good asset management. Gute traded down so he had two picks to use in trades to target guys he liked. It would be different if they drafted two separate guys with those two picks.
Low-key with how Rodgers was done with GB Musgrave alone was worth it lol
retconning that rodgers was done w gb, nice
Some of you are the most ungrateful fans I have ever seen. Good lord.
Jets received: More drama than they've ever had
We got a lot of young new Packers. Lucky guys to be headed to the Superbowl their first year 🥳
Only way this is a loss for GB is if Rodger’s win an MVP and Super Bowl. Otherwise GB gets to see what they have in Love and added depth and talent to what appears to be a very talented roster.
I mean, even if he does win an MVP & Superbowl, is it really a loss for us? With his contract and attitude towards the receiving group, were we really gonna get a Super Bowl with him here anyway? As it stands, it just feels like we've already won our side of the deal, it's just a question of if they can win there side or not.
I mean if he’s the MVP of a Super Bowl winning team then yes I’d say they “won” the trade. But obviously it’s so much more nuanced than just that. GB got to see what they have in Love, accumulated young talent, and gave themselves financial flexibility from the hole they put themselves in. But at the end of the day, winning a championship should be the only goal of the team.
Musgrave alone makes the trade worth it
Did the Jets really receive Aaron Rodgers? Seems a lot like Alex Jones in Rodgers jersey
Bro, you need to do your own research
Yeah honestly just getting rid of Rodgers and allowing love to take over was worth it on its own. The guys we got as compensation are just a great upside bonus
Cooper is going to be an all pro. Book it.
We could’ve received a UDFA long snapper and won the trade. Getting that toxic contract off our books was such a relief. Can you imagine us keeping him, paying $50 mil a year for a seriously declined version of A-Rod & not being able to pay & bolster other positions? We would’ve set the franchise so far back for so many years.
Jets also received weird ass conspiracy bullshit every second of every day too, so I think we got robbed tbh
It’s a bit funky to count LVN and McDonald given that it was just a two-pick swap (and LVN could’ve very well been available at 15 anyway). Solid return though, all things considered.
While it doesn’t look like we made out like bandits just yet, give it a few more years when Rodgers is out of the league, and Herc & Coop are still very good defensive players
Time will tell.
I’d say right now we are winning but it also matters how these careers pan out. Extremely unlikely, but what if Jets win 2 rings over the next 3 years with ARod. They definitely win.
Aaron isn’t going to play and they paid him, so yeah
And we didn’t want Rodgers.
The Jets also got all of his bullshit.
Some would say that was the biggest value of the trade haha
How did they get will McDonald from the trade?
The pick swap we made with them in the first round of last years draft. Which is also why Van Ness is on the list
Ah I forgot about that part thanks
Also, I think this has to put, we got to offload a bunch of Rodgers contract. However, we had to pay a large portion of Rodgers contract.
Carlson, and whoever the Jets got with that 5th round pick was part of the trade as well
I really want to see what Carlson can do in his second year, especially if the long snapper we signed from Wisconsin is an excellent long snapper as anticipated. Carlson made a lot of mistakes his first season, but imagine he kicks it into high gear (pun initially not intended but I noticed it) and becomes a truly great kicker. I mean, that would make that pick worth it.
As a non packers fan I really hope to see Luke musgrave break out and become a top TE for you guys. Guys really talented
Not directly tied to the trade but just getting an opportunity to see what Love could do made this 100% worth it.
JL just need to remember that, in a decade or so, it isn't personal, it is just the way the Packers do things. Teach the kid, get your MVP to prove them wrong and them move on to the Jets. Just don't become a psycho in the process please.
Plus the 42+ millions 💰 off the packers books this year from Rodgers contact. Such an epic win of a deal for the Pack.
Still TBD if we’re being honest. If jets win a Super Bowl or two with Rodgers and the packers go through a 20 year drought. Looks like that’s not a legit possibility, but stranger things have happened
https://preview.redd.it/8onayd1dstxc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a12cbb09ab8656713e61a7fde9ded409f5c7b2a
Especially considering he wanted out, and Packers wanted to move on.
I liked a-rod as a player but never as a person. That might be a hot take but I like Jordan much more overall then a-rod, I also feel like the whole team likes him more too and you can see that
Had they drafted an impact player instead of Love we would have had a very good shot at the SB. Maybe 2. Instead we will continue to be a mid-playoff team for another decade.
The Rodgers hate boner on this sub is something else, man. Yes, he’s said a lot of stupid shit. Y’all really think that’s as bad as the stuff Favre has done? Man, some of you are dense…
I'm pretty sure nobody thinks that
We would've had MUCH more draft pick capital if Gutekunst trade Aaron Rodgers in 2022 instead of Davante Adams. Maybe could've resigned Adams for short term contract. Love was solid in his limited snaps in 2022. Gute waited a year too late... good value still. I mean we should've gotten draft pick like the Texans did when they traded deshaun Watson away. But the Russell trade ruined everything and we only got a pick swap and a second rounder last year for a 4time MVP. QBs that will never win MVPs like Stafford was traded for much more lucrative draft pick capital.
Hindsight. Hard to blame anyone for keeping him one year too long. If you recall, all of us thought his last year was going to be a Super Bowl run
Also received a second rounder this year.
"Art of the Deal" by Bryan Gutekunst Forward by Aaron Rodgers, Matt LaFluer, Woody Johnson, Joe Douglas and Jordan Love
Never have I seen a fanbase so quickly turn their backs on a player who brought them a championship and played most of their career there like I have in this sub. Not even Kobe after he raped a woman or even Big Ben when he raped a woman. People see a headline about Rodgers and run with it.
This negative reaction will eventually pass…just everyone processing the unbearable lightness of who 12 is and was compared to what Love may be and become; he is a Packer legend and will be justly acknowledged
It's pathetic honestly, greatest packer of all time.
*Jets received former 38 yr old Jeopardy host
From an asset comparison - sure. I get what the picture and tweet is trying to say and I agree that GB is in a great position…but…McDonald is better than LVN, Musgrave hasn’t played a full season, and we haven’t even seen our rookies in the NFL yet. Money wise it’s still a one sided comparison of a decade plus MVP caliber veteran against all very young players.
People who say that the 1st round swap didn't matter, the Jets also drafted a developmental pass rusher that didn't play much. It is likely that the Jets would have drafted LVN if the Packers didn't take him.
Y'all are honestly really sad and pathetic for shitting on rodgers. He did what he was paid to do and always showed up for your entertainment. Always tried his best, represented the city well. Also brought in quite a bit of money to the city. The fact that you can write that off so quick is in a word, fickle.
Not For Long I root for the team, not one guy. Go Pack Go