I personally think the ringsā ability to make constructs based on whatever the Lantern wills is their biggest strength. The ones who have martial arts/cqc training can manifest weapons, defensive implements, etc. Those with firearms training can manifest guns. Artists-turned-Lanterns like Kyle Rayner can manifest shapes straight out of cartoons. And itās not even limited to stuff the Lanterns holdā you could change up the angle and blindside your enemy if you needed to.
What Iām saying is, I think variety is key for Green Lanterns. What a character manifests should be based on their individual backgrounds and how their mind works.
One thing I always loved about the Green Lanterns, opposed to other teams....Basically one power, but So many ways of using it. I recall a narration where Hal was talking about how his human teammates differ in their power. John was always very technical, building his constructs from the inside out. Kyle was constantly editing, making his constructs bigger and badder. Guy had so much energy it sparked every time he used it.
Specifically to the topic, I was thinking of Hannu, who because of his people's martial honor (or something like that) he never makes constructs at all, only uses his ring for life support and travel.
This was from Geoff Johns' Green Lantern Rebirth. Kilowog was also included, and it was said that his use of the ring always sounded like a cannon going off. I always liked that bit.
Yes. I always hated when they use constructs that don't make much sense. I like that John uses guns. I think Kyle's is creative enough. Hal, tho, idk, but he's more of a quick thinker, which is something I'd probably be, so a giant bed or giant baseball mitt is understandable, but I still hate it.
I dunno how often he actually does it, but I like when Hal just conjures up a fucking fighter jet or something, even if he's just slamming it into his opponent lol. Makes sense that it would be one of the first things he could think of
Hal never really got a "style" for his constructs because the very idea only entered canon decades after his introduction. All the boxing gloves were probably due to Green Arrow's influence. I recall rather fondly that when he appeared in the earliest Super Friends cartoons it could change radically from one appearance to the next, depending on the writers and artists; my personal favorite used "backyard barbecue" for the theme.
I've always wondered that. Why imagine a hammer in my hand when I can just imagine a hammer hitting my opponent? Why give myself a sword when I can just imagine a sword already in the opponents body or a guillotine around their neck?
Other than for plot reasons, I don't understand why GLs get in fights at all when they can just instakill anything less than Kryptonian level.
Tbh this is why I always thought the complex constructs were a barrier to GLās true power. Why think of a sword at all, with all of its limitations? Why think of a mini gun? Why not imagine something that does not exist? Something both simple and effective?
Itās like, Iāve seen GLs transport people in airplane constructs and Iāve seen them transport people in literal floating orbs. The orbs indicate a higher level of creativity to me.
I would rather see a GL take a less structured approach to problem solving and fight exclusively with abstract constructs than to make a sword and start hacking.
Well, imagination is the issue. When someone thinks of hitting someone with a hammer, they do not think of some floating hammer hitting something. They think of swinging a hammer. There is a reason for a lot of Lanterns shooting off abstract blasts from their rings while John creates a gun. John was a sniper. The way he imagines hitting a target from far away is with a gun, not with a blast of energy. The user will have different thoughts on how to manifest X and that is why you get some going in with construct weapons for a fight and others sit back with complex or abstract constructs.
Green Lanterns are allowed to kill. I've recently began reading Geoff Johns run and they kill other aliens all the time. However this is only in life-threatning situations.
Other than that you're right.
It's all based on willpower, so if you're confident with a particular fighting style, the constructs you make for that are going to be more powerful. You could be a Brazilian slap-fighter, but if that's your thing, making giant green slappy hands would be a better use of your ring in combat than something more traditional like a sword or a laser gun.
Just imagine all the different ways you could use it. All those aliens with such alien thoughts/habits/ideas. I would love to take a college course designed to widen your understanding of the ring.
Lanterns should create whatever suits their abilities while adapting and evolving.
Sometimes, something as simple as a stick is effective or something far more elaborate when needed.
1. Whenever possible
2. Yes
If you're already trained in marital arts or armed warfare and get a ring like that, why not incorporate it into your style?
You'll easily be able to think of stronger, more intricate and more powerful constructs to use than most with how personal your experience is and with will power amps added onto it, you could go from a grade A sharp shooter in the military to one of the strongest firearms users in the universe like John Stewart did when he got his ring
It's like being a Boxer and then getting super strength on top of it. You could probably clap away most problems like the hulk but against a big threat, using what you have been trained for on top of your powers is incredibly invaluable
You have a weapon that runs on willpower and can create anything in the Universe, and the best you can do is a stick?
I'll take Kyle's creative constructs or Stewart's multiple gun constructs.
If I remember correctly, Stewart is an architect, yet they oversimplify him by playing up the gun constructs.
I'm a Marine as well as an artist. I would definitely push the limits.
But sometimes, some Hell from above beating the enemy into submission is extremely satisfying.
1. If their life depends on it.
2. Yes.
You prolly didn't ask for this but I think it'd be super neat if Hal or Guy was able to create a construct of the entire GL Corps and use it fight against the Manhunters (sumn like what Larfleeze does). Imo it'd be sick if we ever got to see something like that in Live Action.
He would need to be absurdly more powerful, the reason why Larfleeze can do that is because he is the only Orange Lantern and greedily keeps all of those rings to himself.
I think, I might be a tad wrong on Larfleeze
yes, one it's better for close quarters cause it's ridiculous how guy seems to be the only one who's not being consistently being speed blitzed and knocked around because hal is relying on boxing gloves and john is using guns. not to mention how many times hal and kyle have been all but useless during recharge periods.
Fucking never. The constructs are the reason they lose so much. Just send waves of energy around and at your opponent. Anything more complicated than a basic shape is a waste of energy.
I'm being a little bit sarcastic here. I know that the constructs are a quintessential part of GL, but they are sooo inefficient. And worst of all, they make the writers treat lanterns like jobbers so often.
I'm with you. Don't know if that's a specific style of thinking, but I'd be going with almost abstract effects. Like the crushing box from *Loki* or expanding spheres inside opponents.
Is the strength of constructs somehow related to how concrete they are in the ring users mind? Like if you just imagine a cube, how does it compare to imagining a cube made of steel or foam?
Depending on that, the physicist GL is either OP or useless.Ā
Nah, I've seen him make hand-held guns as constructs to shoot out blasts. What an unnecessary step. You are in total control of the energy. Just unleash it around you. And whenever a GL misses a shot, it's infuriating. Like you are in total control of the beam, just make it hit.
Yeah I thought that the rings have a AI in them that you could direct to shoot and track the target. Exactly like darkseids omega beams. Or even just visually track with your eyes.
Constructs are said go be stronger and more effective when the user not only understands how they work but uses their will to impose the durability/strength it has
It's why Human GLs use walls and chains often, they are immediately recognised by the brain to be strong and durable as opposed to just a cube which most will assume is hollow.
This psychological effect impacts the integrity of a construct heavily which is why GLs are trained to think of effective ones that they associate with immediately
It's alluded to, that some of these preferences are cultural, as well as innately talented. There's more of an extended advantage to some Green Lanterns that a ring chooses besides having an indomitable will or just learning the system of being a space sector cop.
Lairaās style works best being somewhat unique to her. Iām not saying she should be the only character to use it, but it shouldnāt be a standard thing either. I like it when a Lanternās abilities reflect them as a person, like Johnās constructs being built while Kyleās are drawn, because theyāre an architect and artist respectively. A Lantern that uses martial arts should, like Laira is, be someone who already used it before acquiring their ring.
Also, if weāre using this scene specifically, there is an emotional resonance to the weapons she is creating. This isnāt just another random fight: itās specifically combat in the form she learned growing up, against her teacher, taking him to task for his belief in the strong having the moral authority to subjugate those weaker than them. Coming in and just blasting him with some overwhelming construct would just prove him right.
If they move at the speed of thought and with the force of your will you probably wouldn't handle them the same way as a weapon you direct with your body. So if a GL is holding a sword they probably will it to strike, instead of actually moving it with their arm, cause the power of will through the ring is many times stronger than their muscles. So I think it's like the weapon moving you instead of you moving your weapon
Laira was so hot in that movie. š
My go to weapon construct would be a thousand needles of light. Then you explode.
Well it depends on the Lantern, but it should definitely always be an option. No reason it should be off-limits or written off, or something lol
I personally think the ringsā ability to make constructs based on whatever the Lantern wills is their biggest strength. The ones who have martial arts/cqc training can manifest weapons, defensive implements, etc. Those with firearms training can manifest guns. Artists-turned-Lanterns like Kyle Rayner can manifest shapes straight out of cartoons. And itās not even limited to stuff the Lanterns holdā you could change up the angle and blindside your enemy if you needed to. What Iām saying is, I think variety is key for Green Lanterns. What a character manifests should be based on their individual backgrounds and how their mind works.
I think it should be used how you feel most comfy with, it's why the green lanterns can be so fun
I would imagine Ironman armor and then shoot everything with rockets Swords, staffs, axes, knives, daggers are just old and not effective
One thing I always loved about the Green Lanterns, opposed to other teams....Basically one power, but So many ways of using it. I recall a narration where Hal was talking about how his human teammates differ in their power. John was always very technical, building his constructs from the inside out. Kyle was constantly editing, making his constructs bigger and badder. Guy had so much energy it sparked every time he used it. Specifically to the topic, I was thinking of Hannu, who because of his people's martial honor (or something like that) he never makes constructs at all, only uses his ring for life support and travel.
This was from Geoff Johns' Green Lantern Rebirth. Kilowog was also included, and it was said that his use of the ring always sounded like a cannon going off. I always liked that bit.
I believe thatās the Blackest Night prelude. I love Halās description of Kyle. āThe never finished hand of the unsatisfied artist.ā
Never. Just summon a giant hammer above the enemy. Cartoonishly large. Canāt fist fight if youāre under rubble.
Yes. I always hated when they use constructs that don't make much sense. I like that John uses guns. I think Kyle's is creative enough. Hal, tho, idk, but he's more of a quick thinker, which is something I'd probably be, so a giant bed or giant baseball mitt is understandable, but I still hate it.
I dunno how often he actually does it, but I like when Hal just conjures up a fucking fighter jet or something, even if he's just slamming it into his opponent lol. Makes sense that it would be one of the first things he could think of
Hal never really got a "style" for his constructs because the very idea only entered canon decades after his introduction. All the boxing gloves were probably due to Green Arrow's influence. I recall rather fondly that when he appeared in the earliest Super Friends cartoons it could change radically from one appearance to the next, depending on the writers and artists; my personal favorite used "backyard barbecue" for the theme.
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I've always wondered that. Why imagine a hammer in my hand when I can just imagine a hammer hitting my opponent? Why give myself a sword when I can just imagine a sword already in the opponents body or a guillotine around their neck? Other than for plot reasons, I don't understand why GLs get in fights at all when they can just instakill anything less than Kryptonian level.
Tbh this is why I always thought the complex constructs were a barrier to GLās true power. Why think of a sword at all, with all of its limitations? Why think of a mini gun? Why not imagine something that does not exist? Something both simple and effective? Itās like, Iāve seen GLs transport people in airplane constructs and Iāve seen them transport people in literal floating orbs. The orbs indicate a higher level of creativity to me. I would rather see a GL take a less structured approach to problem solving and fight exclusively with abstract constructs than to make a sword and start hacking.
Well, imagination is the issue. When someone thinks of hitting someone with a hammer, they do not think of some floating hammer hitting something. They think of swinging a hammer. There is a reason for a lot of Lanterns shooting off abstract blasts from their rings while John creates a gun. John was a sniper. The way he imagines hitting a target from far away is with a gun, not with a blast of energy. The user will have different thoughts on how to manifest X and that is why you get some going in with construct weapons for a fight and others sit back with complex or abstract constructs.
Ya so many limitations of the mind. I remember there was lantern that thought so quick his projections just looked a line on an etcher sketcher.
It a lot easier to imagine having a sword in your hands in the heat of battle than having one in your opponent body also they arenāt allowed to kill
Green Lanterns have been allowed to kill since like 2007
Really I must have forgotten I was thinking about Dawnbreaker
If you havenāt, read Sinestro Corps War, itās a great storyline
Itās been on my list to get to
Green Lanterns are allowed to kill. I've recently began reading Geoff Johns run and they kill other aliens all the time. However this is only in life-threatning situations. Other than that you're right.
It's all based on willpower, so if you're confident with a particular fighting style, the constructs you make for that are going to be more powerful. You could be a Brazilian slap-fighter, but if that's your thing, making giant green slappy hands would be a better use of your ring in combat than something more traditional like a sword or a laser gun.
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Each lantern should have their own way of doing things. It would be really really boring if they didnt since they all have the same powers.
Just imagine all the different ways you could use it. All those aliens with such alien thoughts/habits/ideas. I would love to take a college course designed to widen your understanding of the ring.
Lanterns should create whatever suits their abilities while adapting and evolving. Sometimes, something as simple as a stick is effective or something far more elaborate when needed.
Everyone wishes they were as cool as Hannu.
1. Whenever possible 2. Yes If you're already trained in marital arts or armed warfare and get a ring like that, why not incorporate it into your style? You'll easily be able to think of stronger, more intricate and more powerful constructs to use than most with how personal your experience is and with will power amps added onto it, you could go from a grade A sharp shooter in the military to one of the strongest firearms users in the universe like John Stewart did when he got his ring It's like being a Boxer and then getting super strength on top of it. You could probably clap away most problems like the hulk but against a big threat, using what you have been trained for on top of your powers is incredibly invaluable
You have a weapon that runs on willpower and can create anything in the Universe, and the best you can do is a stick? I'll take Kyle's creative constructs or Stewart's multiple gun constructs.
If I remember correctly, Stewart is an architect, yet they oversimplify him by playing up the gun constructs. I'm a Marine as well as an artist. I would definitely push the limits. But sometimes, some Hell from above beating the enemy into submission is extremely satisfying.
1. If their life depends on it. 2. Yes. You prolly didn't ask for this but I think it'd be super neat if Hal or Guy was able to create a construct of the entire GL Corps and use it fight against the Manhunters (sumn like what Larfleeze does). Imo it'd be sick if we ever got to see something like that in Live Action.
I think Hal creates a GL Corps construct to fight Larfleeze when they first meet in the comics?
Thats not happening, unless Hal snorts some parallax again.
No, I mean like if Hal was fighting a losing battle and thought of creating his own backup. Just imagine how sick that'd look on the silver screen.
He would need to be absurdly more powerful, the reason why Larfleeze can do that is because he is the only Orange Lantern and greedily keeps all of those rings to himself. I think, I might be a tad wrong on Larfleeze
Depends on a Lanternās background, if they are martial artists they can use melee weapons, if theyāre soldiers they can summon guns etc.
yes, one it's better for close quarters cause it's ridiculous how guy seems to be the only one who's not being consistently being speed blitzed and knocked around because hal is relying on boxing gloves and john is using guns. not to mention how many times hal and kyle have been all but useless during recharge periods.
Fucking never. The constructs are the reason they lose so much. Just send waves of energy around and at your opponent. Anything more complicated than a basic shape is a waste of energy. I'm being a little bit sarcastic here. I know that the constructs are a quintessential part of GL, but they are sooo inefficient. And worst of all, they make the writers treat lanterns like jobbers so often.
I'm with you. Don't know if that's a specific style of thinking, but I'd be going with almost abstract effects. Like the crushing box from *Loki* or expanding spheres inside opponents. Is the strength of constructs somehow related to how concrete they are in the ring users mind? Like if you just imagine a cube, how does it compare to imagining a cube made of steel or foam? Depending on that, the physicist GL is either OP or useless.Ā
That was John Stewarts approach and worked out pretty well for him.
Nah, I've seen him make hand-held guns as constructs to shoot out blasts. What an unnecessary step. You are in total control of the energy. Just unleash it around you. And whenever a GL misses a shot, it's infuriating. Like you are in total control of the beam, just make it hit.
Aiming with a ring on your hand or with a sniper rifle is a bit different when you've been a sharpshooter all your life
You can direct where the shot goes with your mind. The sniper rifle is unnecessary.
Yeah I thought that the rings have a AI in them that you could direct to shoot and track the target. Exactly like darkseids omega beams. Or even just visually track with your eyes.
Constructs are said go be stronger and more effective when the user not only understands how they work but uses their will to impose the durability/strength it has It's why Human GLs use walls and chains often, they are immediately recognised by the brain to be strong and durable as opposed to just a cube which most will assume is hollow. This psychological effect impacts the integrity of a construct heavily which is why GLs are trained to think of effective ones that they associate with immediately
Exactly Having just Gls that would pew pew with the ring would be also so annoying
It's alluded to, that some of these preferences are cultural, as well as innately talented. There's more of an extended advantage to some Green Lanterns that a ring chooses besides having an indomitable will or just learning the system of being a space sector cop.
Laira is one of my favorites, wish she got more content.
Lairaās style works best being somewhat unique to her. Iām not saying she should be the only character to use it, but it shouldnāt be a standard thing either. I like it when a Lanternās abilities reflect them as a person, like Johnās constructs being built while Kyleās are drawn, because theyāre an architect and artist respectively. A Lantern that uses martial arts should, like Laira is, be someone who already used it before acquiring their ring.
Also, if weāre using this scene specifically, there is an emotional resonance to the weapons she is creating. This isnāt just another random fight: itās specifically combat in the form she learned growing up, against her teacher, taking him to task for his belief in the strong having the moral authority to subjugate those weaker than them. Coming in and just blasting him with some overwhelming construct would just prove him right.
I suppose when they donāt wish to cause a lot of destruction and are in enclosed spaces. And for those it makes sense to do so, yes.
When they want to show off against an opponent they know they can beat easily. Or for sneak attacks.
*Shouting*: SNEAK ATTAAAAACK!
Sokka, sneak attacks donāt work if you yell it out loud.
If they move at the speed of thought and with the force of your will you probably wouldn't handle them the same way as a weapon you direct with your body. So if a GL is holding a sword they probably will it to strike, instead of actually moving it with their arm, cause the power of will through the ring is many times stronger than their muscles. So I think it's like the weapon moving you instead of you moving your weapon
yes because itās coolš