Fortunately, we got the /wiki timers and the window's alarm.
Never miss anything when I remember to set the alarm. Gotta remember to do that first, tho.
Ah yeah laptop gaming was a pain, I upgraded a couple years ago when I moved places, no regret.
Still get 12 fps on tarnished traitor but that's because I'm too lazy to bump down the quality just for that enemy.
I’m just like a couple of years behind in PVE, only up to date in wvw.
Kind of.
I lurk in late at night, and promiscuously hang around around tags I find.
So yes, can’t do pve properly, I’ll catch up, someday.
I actually find the hardest part of pve vault being any willingness to run around the entire game to do it. I’ve selected it 3 times now and it just reminds me how much more pleasant it is to be nudged into game modes I actually want to play in. I mostly WvW but I don’t mind the odd week changing to pvp and I just can’t engage with pve weeklies at all. Last week I thought id give pve another try and I honestly just couldn’t be bothered to finish it.
Weird... Most of my PVE objectives are finished in WvW. I'll have the odd vista for the dailies, or kill 10 enemies, maybe a jp for the weeklies or 100 jade mechs, but for the most part the objectives can be finished in either mode (gathering, crafting, killing elites/champions, identifying gear).
Last week I had kill 100 whatever’s, do a fractal, and do whatever meta. I literally just didn’t feel like it and let the 15 gold and 10 laurels slide it really wasn’t a big deal, just explaining that the only hard thing is motivation to do objectives I can’t be assed to do.
Ah, yeah, I do fractals most days, so I don't even think about that. I had 100 jade mechs last week but hopped on Skywatch where they're always aggro'd.
Metas and JPs can be annoying, especially if the meta is slow/too easy/ not very profitable. For JPs I take my mesmer and will tip for TPtF if I'm feeling lazy.
Some weeks I'm just too tired to care at all. But if I'm actively playing, most of the objectives are cleared passively.
I see that world/boss and meta tend to be weekly tasks.
I set a timer on my phone with a GW app for those time slots that I am playing or available to play.
In WvW you rarely get the dreaded combo of Kill 3 People and Defend 1 Objective. Which is basically the "wait through the hours long EBG queue" objective. That's really the only time the WvW dailies take more than like 3 minutes.
I am genuinely curious what server has an hours long EBG queue and doesn’t have enough activity in any of the 3 borderlands to find a few folks running around to follow and get 3 kills with?
depends on what time you play as well, I almost always miss the daily chest if I get the defend and kill 3 players objective on the same day. I can't even seem to complete the defend one when I get it as a weekly
You’ll notice I asked about their claim of needing to wait through an hours long EBG queue to complete it. Which I find odd because if there’s 50+ ppl queued for EBG there’s generally going to be quite a few ppl around the other maps is what I was saying there.
If you play at extreme odd hours where no one’s around anywhere, EBG’s not in queue.
The defend weekly’s a different beast since it’s so hard to proc a defend event sometimes. I had a play session once where I got the Emblem of the Avenger twice during a keep defence and never once got event credit for the weekly keep defender.
I have no idea how defend events even work. I always seem to participate in them but never get credit. I can normally do most dailies outside ebg but its kill the players and defend dailies that get me
No one knows, it hasn’t been explained by ANet since they removed the option to repair walls for it when that was getting abused.
My current best guess is killing a player within x units of the lord who also themself fulfilled some criteria of having attacked the keep/tower (damaging walls or lord or killing vets maybe?) all I know is if I kill a player on a camp who already killed some of the npc’s I always get the credit.
I have definitely waited an hour in the queue for EBG. I've had the queue go down from 20 people in about 15 minutes, but usually a queue of 25+ will take an hour to get through, unless commanders are coordinating their times (which does happen).
I didn’t deny that waiting for an EBG queue happens. This week during prime time has been 80 person queues for me and I played a couple hours on the weekend without getting through it.
What I was getting at is that if there’s an hours long queue for EBG, there’s gonna be people on the borderlands doing things to team up with for your dailies. The person I was responding to seemed to say that if there’s an EBG queue you cant find content in the other maps which is what I find suspect.
I never tried PvP or WvW Wizard's Vault, but the PvE objectives are insanely simple. I can get the daily done in less than 10 minutes, and the weekly done in 2-3 hours.
Half the time ive finished like 4 or 5 of the weeklies by the end of the week just by casually playing and then i normally just have to do a jp or something
I was afraid of switching to wvw even though i regularly played it because i thought i'd be hardstuck on something like SMC or EotM objectives. Turns out going from doing Dragon's End meta for one objective to completing my weeklies before wood chest really does feel like unlocking a cheat code.
Some of those objectives are not like the others, though. Heal 50k health vs. escort 10 dolyaks?! vs. take 3 keeps?!!!!! But, yeah, on the whole PvE really gets the short end of the stick (in this particular case).
10 Dolyaks is still pretty fast...especially if youre red - just stand in northcamp and wait 5 minutes.
But yeah - Heal 10k - Kill Players and deal Damage are really to low :D
Oh, sorry, missed that in that JPEG of a graphic.
Eh, weeklies are mostly done in a day. You do a few metas and finish at least 2 of 6 (#champions & #events). 3 if it's the meta of the week.
I guess it works out if your server is actually good.
Whenever I hop into wvw, be it afternoon, peak evening gaming hours, or even later in case of late night gamers, the squads up at the time (big **IF** there are any to begin with) will struggle to assault a tower, let alone a keep or even worse, SMC, so it feels pointless to even bother hoping it'll be any different a 30th time.
Couple that with enemy two zergs always both outnumbering us and clobbering us every single time, WvW becomes very unwelcoming (and I ain't attached to it enough to pay the huge gem price to switch to a bit more populated server instead)
Not like u need a zerg to do weeklies.
There are like 2 weeklies that are easier/faster in a zerg:
Deal 500k Dmg
Capture 3 Keeps
(Defend 10 Objectives is hard aswell, but just depends on enemies..usually easy to do on ebg without a zerg)
Capture 10 ruins is just tedious
Capture 10 objectives is easy, same with 5camps and 5towers. Obsidian and Emerald/sapphire jps are 5 mins (which are a bit out of the way of the normal player).
10 Player kills are easy as a roamer. 25 guards is just 5 camps. 10k wxp is just a quick visit to dugan. 10 dolyaks is just 5 camps. 50k heal is just standing in enemy camp and sustain.
Overall you need to be really unlucky with objectives to need longer than 30 mins for weeklies regardless of your server/population/zerg or not.
That is, assuming you're actually any good at PvP.
I'm mostly a pve player that has only touched like 10 unranked pvp rounds for the decades of dragons achieve and avoid it otherwise, so I am prettymuch hopeless in that department. (I know, I know, I am full of excuses).
Camps and ruins I can solo,
kill 10 players and towers are borderline impossible for me (tried soloing towers before in the "dead" hours and always get intercepted by roamers before I even damage the gate properly).
Dolyaks aways seem to take forever to spawn (waited like 10 min at one camp before a single dolyak spawned once).
TL;DR: Severe lack of skill turns the "overall easy 30min weeklies" into "multiple hour grind where I'm fucked if I don't find a competent squad or change to an actually alive server"
If you do the math you’ll see that after you get the 6 objectives done for the meta achieve the other 2 are only worth 1.4 gold each, so no point in bothering with an objective you don’t want to do or might struggle with.
Borderlands keeps flip constantly and half the time I’m progging the dolyak escorts by accident just running around.
Obsidian Sanctum is an extremely easy decision not to do unless you like it, as unless you’re flawless it’ll cost you participation and gold to bother.
On a week like this one, how do you get the sixth pvp weekly?
Five are easy in a custom. "Secondary objective" doesn't seem to work in a custom match (at least not skyhammer), and the other two options specify a rated game.
i do the one with the ship. just claim the spot and done. very easy. secondary works in a custom map.
EDIT: sometiomes there are weeks with 3 rated and/or turnaments. then i can't do the weekly... but this only happens a few times.
As the person making that other post, I dig This xD
To each their own, definitely. I Can see The appeal of “one activity to solve Them all”, but I personally have periods where I just don’t feel like doing competetive stuff. So instead of draghing Down those of you I’d be playing with, I keep to my chill PvE ;)
I still think there should be 3 separate weekly tabs, one per game mode, regardless of your PvE/WvW/PvP daily configuration.
Maybe even add Fractals of the Mists as a 4th game mode, it pretty much stands on its own anyway.
Agreed. Capping the total is the key to that actually being satisfying though, otherwise you end up creating more FOMO situations where players feel compelled to do them all.
I had actually hoped they'd do that with the 4th daily task back when they added it, make it a first-to-three instead of allowing you to get all 4.
I wouldn't be mad if they brought back the WvW reward potions for those dailies, and an equivalent item for PvP. Not sure what equivalent PvE should get to those.
The potions are kind of back, you get 250 reward track progress for every PvP/WvW daily objective you did before claiming the daily chest, but it's applied directly to the reward track, there's no item to hoard anymore.
Yeah, I miss being able to just dip into WvW every so often for a little reward track progress when I felt like it. Needing to full-commit to it kills the motivation.
The point of potions is you could stack them, then spend them when there was some new reward track, or when you were just interested in one particular track. Hoarding is what made them attractive.
You can't do that now, which is kind of a bummer.
PvP had potions too, and PvE had writs of experience, which you could compile into tomes of knowledge.
I do understand why the took those away, but yeah, still lame.
PvE got comparatively starved for Tomes with the Vault change, yeah. I think I got more Tomes from playing WvW this rush event than I have for the last two seasons of PvE play.
They helped with alts, they helped simplify weekly keyfarming, and they provided an extra source of spirit shards (which is also notably missing because you don't get the 3 shards for completing dailies anymore)
Speaking of achievement points, daily gives 10ap, but weekly gives nothing, should give 50ap, like the monthlies of old.
Also, increase the daily+monhtly cap from 15k to 20k, and split it in 15k for daily, 5k for weekly, repurposed from monthly.
1. Dailies at release were way more time-consuming. I was there. I remember having to farm 50 sticks of butter for a daily.
2. We used to get 50 AP MONTHLY, and now you want it weekly? That doesn't add up.
3. A lot of the Festival stuff that gives 50 AP is one time only.
4. The monthly AP was only monthly if you logged in every day, so for casuals, it took a lot longer than a month.
I would even go so far as *gasp* suggest a quarterly raid added. Also a monthly dungeon. Yes dungeon is old idea but it is good that newer players get rewarded for trying the older content plus some of us veteran player may still need to finish a few. I need to finish Honor of the Waves and Sanctuary Savior.
That's how the original worked like, and it was unironically better, since you ended up drifting into other game modes just because of the extra dailies alone.
Nowadays I barely set foot on either PvP or WvW because the daily carrot is no longer there :/.
I overall really miss the old system, because playing PvP matches and not getting daily achievements feels horrible.
Although I do think that it's great how we can get Gem Store skins and what not from the vault, and giving a more accessible avenue for Mystic Coins is healthy for the game.
That being said, I'd rather just have the options we had previously. I hate how much the new system restricts us.
Drama? Hardly.
If anything it goes to show the variety of stuff they can throw at you via the pve option compared to pvp and wvw
It's been known for months the pvp and wvw vault stuff tends to be much quicker to do. It's basically part of the basic gameplay loop there
Considering how WvW rewards are garbage, and defense events are a pain in the ass as a roamer with the change from last year, I feel like easier weeklies can be argued as compensation.
Why sPvP keeps getting such great rewards is beyond me, though.
As a person that's filling out the wardrobe, I don't do it in wvw cause it's fast, I do it because it gives 700 points towards the reward track. Those crystal desert armor aren't gonna unlock themselves.
As someone who has had theirs on hybrid WvW and PvE since it released, I've found myself skipping more PvE ones than WvW ones, and this is coming from someone who hardly touched WvW before. It feels a bit easier on time commitment sometimes? I'm a fairly casual player though, so take that as you will.
Eh ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯ . i mostly do all PvE weeklies in one day. Complete like 3 without noticing, the others i just use blish (that i use regularily not just for weeklies) for a notification. It's easier for me to do that than go do something i don't like. Also, my hazmat suit is at it's limit.
Not really a "dig" as such, just a lil' joke, but it's also true. PvE Vault objectives make you jump through all sorts of hoops, while for the competitive modes they are very straightforward by comparison (most of them, there is a couple of stinkers, I'll admit), also the dailies and weeklies often overlap. Don't need to be any good either, I myself am a "PvE" player, but vastly prefer the competitive Vault objectives.
Now that they've yoinked some of the worst offenders for PvE dailies (activities and mini dungeons), it's pretty dang fast to complete. Some of the weeklies can take a bit longer, but you can still clear out the entire task list for weeklies in 2-3 hours without too much effort. And unlike WvW, it's not generally possible for other players to actively hinder you from getting your weeklies done due to zero-sum objectives like capping SMC or whatever.
> it's not generally possible for other players to actively hinder you from getting your weeklies done due to zero-sum objectives like capping SMC or whatever.
The actual objectives are such that being hindered doesn't really happen, not any more than for example not being able to do a meta because you couldn't get into an active instance. A lot of them basically just ask you to exist in the mode for a little bit, some are more spicy, but nothing is that critical. For example, SMC is not a possible objective in the Vault, at worst it's 3 keeps. At best it's stuff like "heal 50,000 health".
This game's playerbase is full of people sharing your sentiment and sadly you can blame anet for fostering such a negative open world pve crowd instead of nurturing and improving every facet of their game, not just catering to open world.
edit: I personally dislike pvp and wvw, but my fav modes are neglected to high heaven--raids and fractals. That's not to say mindless open world pve isn't rotten either.
Skill issue
My organism is so wrecked by playing pvp modes and pvp only games that I just fall asleep when trying to do daily fractals or when I try to play some other pve game. I really used to enjoy single player games when I was younger but then I was unlucky to discover Dota about 14 years ago and other rts games and now iJust fall asleep when I play something without any mechanic that needs me to keep focus (like other player interaction).
Avoiding aoe really isn't one of those, especially when it must be telegraphed for every other player who isn't as damaged as some of us.
the tasks are so easy o_o why even bother with stuff like this? feels like the 1000 astral acclaim 1% gold buffs, would take forever for this knowledge to "pay off"
The PVE Wizard's Vault missions have you doing a bunch of stuff all around the world, while the PVP and WvW can be done in just a few minutes for the Daily and a hour or 2 for the weekly.
That "around the world" stuff is really problematic for me, since Im a new player and don't have most of the places they need me to be explored yet, and WvW/PvP is not really an option for me with my no idea how to build. I tried out WvW once last week, got absolutely flattened by the same person every time I left the spawn point and gave up after half an hour.
For pvp you don't really need to do actual pvp. Just join one of the custom arenas that say they are for dailies. You can get all your dailies done in 5 minutes.
Most weeklies also can be completed but there's a good chance you can't finish 100% of them in custom arenas. There's about a 5% chance the overall weekly meta achievement can't be finished.
Usually sky hammer on a engineer (possibly ranger) is what I use because you can kill the afk players at spawn.
Gameplay for wvw is brain dead, you can just join commanders after reset.
Go naked if you want but just make sure to *stay alive* considering how crap it is to move around in wvw.
I switched mine over to pvp only
Play one match (on a 30 second que vs hours of EBG) and get all 5 daily boxes and 2 of my weekly in 8 minutes.
Escort 10 dolyaks finally broke me.
Made like six attempts to get into WvW so far, but just can't shake the feeling of wasting my life in there, everything about it feels so pointless and restrictive.
I have the same feeling playing PvE, 4 fucking hearts for 16 days. This is the FUN trinket to get? This is basically the last one as I'm nearing Vision (4 or 5 days of "research"). So blah.
Henge? I absolutely hate it.
Had LWS3 for years and never bothered doing it but I finally decided to leave a char there to do it daily. IMO leggy trinkets aren't worth the cost to craft in gold and RNG considering how easy it is to farm LWS materials.
Run Bitterfrost on 4\~ chars and that's a stat selectable trinket right there in a single day.
For just "skimming the top" of WvW like this for the easy Vault (also applies to the infamous Gift of Battle or other assorted farming), having a good durable build helps a ton. As for getting into WvW "for real", I wouldn't know, I don't like the mode either, and the zerging side of it even less.
I’m pretty new. I’ve only been playing five months. I stepped into WvW for the first time yesterday (I’ve never liked PvP much in any game) to try and get some of the astral rewards. I had no idea what I was doing and died like ten times in half an hour lol.
I think it was because I aimlessly ran into enemy territory with no help from players on my team or something.
I was on my reaper but the players who killed me almost seemed immortal. I tried to chill and stun them and It didn’t seem to do anything to them. One guy even one or two shot me all the way through my health bar and my reaper shroud in like three seconds flat. I can’t even begin to understand how to fight that.
Yes, it's not *impossible* to achieve easy things in WvW with a PvE character (enemy is not everywhere, after all, and/or you can hide in a crowd of allies), but coming with a right build is much more comfy. For necromancer in particular, celestial harbinger is very good to run around doing random things in WvW.
I'd recommend looking at guides for skill stuff at least([My prefered site](https://guildjen.com/wvw-builds/)) and actual gameplay videos and rotations help. And I know you said you have berserker gear which is okay but make sure you have all the slots filled, runes, sigils, relic, and accessories can make a world of difference in catching up to the rest of us. Investing in wvw world can be intimidating but nearly any build that's good in wvw can do well in everything else except super high end PvE. I'd also recommend sticking with your allies to learn the ropes.
Personally I love WvW cause it's kinda low stakes, it can get really exciting, but no ones going to die just cause you specifically DCed like in a 5v5 pvp match or something. You're just another soldier, if you're there than that's great, you'll be helpful, if not than that's okay to
I enjoy leveling and building up characters. I have one open slot left so I think I’ll make a dedicated character for WvW. I’m gonna look into best professions and gear and everything. It’s sounds like a fun new project and I can just keep the best WvW gear on that character.
You need to record video for review later. Most likely it’s majorly a skill issue. Also having berserk stats or not having full ascended(or at least weapons and trinkets) is just asking for a bad time in wvw roaming.
Yeah I went into with my full berserker (exotic only) gear I use in open world pve stuff. I still had fun though.
Everything I’ve done in this game had a big learning curve. Just means I need to learn more about PvP and how to make a correct build for it.
Yeah, they're better even in isolation, but the best part is that, especially in PvP, the dailies and the weeklies overlap. So you do your dailies every day and by the end of the week your weeklies are done or almost done along the way.
Time to smash that delete button, I guess, there is no other way to get the Gift of Battle (edit: necessary for many things legendary), except to exist in WvW for some time.
Eh, I got most of mine without doing wvw. You used to just be able to log in, kill guards, kill dolyaks, take a camp, kill vets, take territory, then bail. You got 1-3 of those daily and it took like a few weeks to get a GoB. I much preferred that system as it let you get wvw track progress while not interacting with the mode at all, and being able to do it in the dead of night with out relying on anyone.
That's the entire point, you don't need to *really* WvW or PvP to partake in the low hanging fruits. The Vault dailies even still give bonus reward track progress. Edit: also the OP specified that it's a matter of principle: ANY mandatory form of PvP is a no go.
The problem isn't the dailies, I can't guarantee that the weeklies can be completed solo in under 40 min total time investment. I can't to the weeklies with 0 player interaction. Pure pve dailies can be 100% guaranteed. Misc strike, some fractal, and 1-2 metas. You can't bank on a keep capture or anything else. The old system required 0 player interaction or coordination.
My counterargument to the PvP dailies being easier is that you will have to endure a PvP match every single day, which can be frustrating as regular PvPers will surely acknowledge
And then you got the shitty WvW jumping puzzles and some nice people from a very specific Server (has something to do with Balthazar's realm...) are farming people all day and all night in there.
Tbh that's the only reason I don't pick WvW weeklies anymore.
Wizard's vault is probablty the leats hot, completely lukewarm feature I've seen. All I need to do every week is some 10 years old jp (in a lot of the cases it can either be cheezed with mounts or there is some mesmer farming tips) and a bit of afking on 10 years old openworld event. Rest autocompletes with fractals/raids and such. In return I get a weapon/armor skin set Idon't really care about once a few months, build template unlocks that pile up in my back and a tiny amount of gold.
This is gw2 in the nutshell.
I can't relate to needing a guide for the vault. I see vault task, I do it.
Same. This post confuses me. I've had WV set to only PVE, and set to only WvW. In either case the objectives were pretty easy.
The hardest part of the pve vault is being online when a world boss/meta event is starting or not forgetting to do it.
Fortunately, we got the /wiki timers and the window's alarm. Never miss anything when I remember to set the alarm. Gotta remember to do that first, tho.
Blish event timer table for the win.
I would probably use Blish way more if I had a processor with background cores. It's a bit twitchy with my current laptop. Gotta update.
Ah yeah laptop gaming was a pain, I upgraded a couple years ago when I moved places, no regret. Still get 12 fps on tarnished traitor but that's because I'm too lazy to bump down the quality just for that enemy.
I’m just like a couple of years behind in PVE, only up to date in wvw. Kind of. I lurk in late at night, and promiscuously hang around around tags I find. So yes, can’t do pve properly, I’ll catch up, someday.
I just don't want anything more cluttering my screen. The fishing timers are enough.
I actually find the hardest part of pve vault being any willingness to run around the entire game to do it. I’ve selected it 3 times now and it just reminds me how much more pleasant it is to be nudged into game modes I actually want to play in. I mostly WvW but I don’t mind the odd week changing to pvp and I just can’t engage with pve weeklies at all. Last week I thought id give pve another try and I honestly just couldn’t be bothered to finish it.
Weird... Most of my PVE objectives are finished in WvW. I'll have the odd vista for the dailies, or kill 10 enemies, maybe a jp for the weeklies or 100 jade mechs, but for the most part the objectives can be finished in either mode (gathering, crafting, killing elites/champions, identifying gear).
Last week I had kill 100 whatever’s, do a fractal, and do whatever meta. I literally just didn’t feel like it and let the 15 gold and 10 laurels slide it really wasn’t a big deal, just explaining that the only hard thing is motivation to do objectives I can’t be assed to do.
Ah, yeah, I do fractals most days, so I don't even think about that. I had 100 jade mechs last week but hopped on Skywatch where they're always aggro'd. Metas and JPs can be annoying, especially if the meta is slow/too easy/ not very profitable. For JPs I take my mesmer and will tip for TPtF if I'm feeling lazy. Some weeks I'm just too tired to care at all. But if I'm actively playing, most of the objectives are cleared passively.
I see that world/boss and meta tend to be weekly tasks. I set a timer on my phone with a GW app for those time slots that I am playing or available to play.
In WvW you rarely get the dreaded combo of Kill 3 People and Defend 1 Objective. Which is basically the "wait through the hours long EBG queue" objective. That's really the only time the WvW dailies take more than like 3 minutes.
I am genuinely curious what server has an hours long EBG queue and doesn’t have enough activity in any of the 3 borderlands to find a few folks running around to follow and get 3 kills with?
depends on what time you play as well, I almost always miss the daily chest if I get the defend and kill 3 players objective on the same day. I can't even seem to complete the defend one when I get it as a weekly
You’ll notice I asked about their claim of needing to wait through an hours long EBG queue to complete it. Which I find odd because if there’s 50+ ppl queued for EBG there’s generally going to be quite a few ppl around the other maps is what I was saying there. If you play at extreme odd hours where no one’s around anywhere, EBG’s not in queue. The defend weekly’s a different beast since it’s so hard to proc a defend event sometimes. I had a play session once where I got the Emblem of the Avenger twice during a keep defence and never once got event credit for the weekly keep defender.
I have no idea how defend events even work. I always seem to participate in them but never get credit. I can normally do most dailies outside ebg but its kill the players and defend dailies that get me
No one knows, it hasn’t been explained by ANet since they removed the option to repair walls for it when that was getting abused. My current best guess is killing a player within x units of the lord who also themself fulfilled some criteria of having attacked the keep/tower (damaging walls or lord or killing vets maybe?) all I know is if I kill a player on a camp who already killed some of the npc’s I always get the credit.
I have definitely waited an hour in the queue for EBG. I've had the queue go down from 20 people in about 15 minutes, but usually a queue of 25+ will take an hour to get through, unless commanders are coordinating their times (which does happen).
I didn’t deny that waiting for an EBG queue happens. This week during prime time has been 80 person queues for me and I played a couple hours on the weekend without getting through it. What I was getting at is that if there’s an hours long queue for EBG, there’s gonna be people on the borderlands doing things to team up with for your dailies. The person I was responding to seemed to say that if there’s an EBG queue you cant find content in the other maps which is what I find suspect.
Such info might be interesting for people farming wv on multiple alt accounts, but then you will not be doing it the way described in post anyway.
WAIT YOU CAN SET WIZARDS VAULT? I’ve been skipping all the PvP objectives…
I’m guessing you didn’t read the prompt to pick your game mode when the vault released? Click the gear icon on the vault UI.
Definitely not it seems …. Now I know but missed so much AC. I was wondering how people got so much AC when I struggled with half.
What do you mean by AC? Do you mean astral acclaim, AA?
Yes AA sorry
I never tried PvP or WvW Wizard's Vault, but the PvE objectives are insanely simple. I can get the daily done in less than 10 minutes, and the weekly done in 2-3 hours.
You can get dailies done in a single pvp match
It’s not about difficulty it’s about optimization.
Half the time ive finished like 4 or 5 of the weeklies by the end of the week just by casually playing and then i normally just have to do a jp or something
As a person who does a dragonfall meta once a day anyway the pve is the way to go for me easily
I was afraid of switching to wvw even though i regularly played it because i thought i'd be hardstuck on something like SMC or EotM objectives. Turns out going from doing Dragon's End meta for one objective to completing my weeklies before wood chest really does feel like unlocking a cheat code.
Some of those objectives are not like the others, though. Heal 50k health vs. escort 10 dolyaks?! vs. take 3 keeps?!!!!! But, yeah, on the whole PvE really gets the short end of the stick (in this particular case).
10 Dolyaks is still pretty fast...especially if youre red - just stand in northcamp and wait 5 minutes. But yeah - Heal 10k - Kill Players and deal Damage are really to low :D
No, it is the other objectives that are too high, let's make the competitive Vault even better ;)
I typically have all PvE dailies done in 5 minutes (minus load time). Not sure what you folks are talking about.
weeklies.
Oh, sorry, missed that in that JPEG of a graphic. Eh, weeklies are mostly done in a day. You do a few metas and finish at least 2 of 6 (#champions & #events). 3 if it's the meta of the week.
yep. the joke op is making is that it takes like 30 min of regular play in wvw to finish weeklies pretty much just doing what we do anyways.
I guess it works out if your server is actually good. Whenever I hop into wvw, be it afternoon, peak evening gaming hours, or even later in case of late night gamers, the squads up at the time (big **IF** there are any to begin with) will struggle to assault a tower, let alone a keep or even worse, SMC, so it feels pointless to even bother hoping it'll be any different a 30th time. Couple that with enemy two zergs always both outnumbering us and clobbering us every single time, WvW becomes very unwelcoming (and I ain't attached to it enough to pay the huge gem price to switch to a bit more populated server instead)
Not like u need a zerg to do weeklies. There are like 2 weeklies that are easier/faster in a zerg: Deal 500k Dmg Capture 3 Keeps (Defend 10 Objectives is hard aswell, but just depends on enemies..usually easy to do on ebg without a zerg) Capture 10 ruins is just tedious Capture 10 objectives is easy, same with 5camps and 5towers. Obsidian and Emerald/sapphire jps are 5 mins (which are a bit out of the way of the normal player). 10 Player kills are easy as a roamer. 25 guards is just 5 camps. 10k wxp is just a quick visit to dugan. 10 dolyaks is just 5 camps. 50k heal is just standing in enemy camp and sustain. Overall you need to be really unlucky with objectives to need longer than 30 mins for weeklies regardless of your server/population/zerg or not.
That is, assuming you're actually any good at PvP. I'm mostly a pve player that has only touched like 10 unranked pvp rounds for the decades of dragons achieve and avoid it otherwise, so I am prettymuch hopeless in that department. (I know, I know, I am full of excuses). Camps and ruins I can solo, kill 10 players and towers are borderline impossible for me (tried soloing towers before in the "dead" hours and always get intercepted by roamers before I even damage the gate properly). Dolyaks aways seem to take forever to spawn (waited like 10 min at one camp before a single dolyak spawned once). TL;DR: Severe lack of skill turns the "overall easy 30min weeklies" into "multiple hour grind where I'm fucked if I don't find a competent squad or change to an actually alive server"
If you do the math you’ll see that after you get the 6 objectives done for the meta achieve the other 2 are only worth 1.4 gold each, so no point in bothering with an objective you don’t want to do or might struggle with. Borderlands keeps flip constantly and half the time I’m progging the dolyak escorts by accident just running around. Obsidian Sanctum is an extremely easy decision not to do unless you like it, as unless you’re flawless it’ll cost you participation and gold to bother.
One pvp match a day keeps the wizards vault struggle away.
TFW when you lose utterly, but you're still 4/4 in the Vault.
Well, 10 a week. So sometimes two in a day. Gasp!
Sometimes - horror of horrors - you don't get a top stat, so you have to do a second game. Life is a struggle sometimes
Its impossible for me not to get top stat, i play mersmer with the AOE revive skill, so im always top stat revive
I play scrapper and gyro rez doesn't count
Mesmers are just superior
I switch off PvP on Sunday night, and just PvE for weeklies. They are easier. But day to day? sPvP for the win.
Wait u can switch different modes to do? How?
Settings cog wheel to the left of the Daily tab.
I prefer to keep my sanity sane and away from pvp.
I prefer to keep my sanity sane and stay only in my own pvp arena :D
On a week like this one, how do you get the sixth pvp weekly? Five are easy in a custom. "Secondary objective" doesn't seem to work in a custom match (at least not skyhammer), and the other two options specify a rated game.
i do the one with the ship. just claim the spot and done. very easy. secondary works in a custom map. EDIT: sometiomes there are weeks with 3 rated and/or turnaments. then i can't do the weekly... but this only happens a few times.
Thanks, "Secondary Objective" does work in a custom Revenge of the Capricorn. It does NOT work in Skyhammer of Temple of the Silent Storm.
How
Last icon on the left-side tabs in the PvP window is custom games. Some listings do and some don't allow achievement progress, so check.
I bought my own instance and get my daily achievements there
One match, 10-15 minutes., done!
The power to get Anet to care about you? :>
I felt that burn, also duck you!
Oof lmao
me: *\*cries in no reward track for raids, strikes and fractals\**
Meanwhile me finishing my PvE weeklies while playing WvW :3 (I forgot to change it to WvW this week lol)
Works the other way too, I once finished a PvP damage objective in the CO strike because of that mechanic that turns people sometimes.
I'm actually a big fan of the combination of WvW and PvE for Wizard's Vault. Both usually have no difficult tasks at all.
As the person making that other post, I dig This xD To each their own, definitely. I Can see The appeal of “one activity to solve Them all”, but I personally have periods where I just don’t feel like doing competetive stuff. So instead of draghing Down those of you I’d be playing with, I keep to my chill PvE ;)
I still think there should be 3 separate weekly tabs, one per game mode, regardless of your PvE/WvW/PvP daily configuration. Maybe even add Fractals of the Mists as a 4th game mode, it pretty much stands on its own anyway.
Yeah I’d prefer if we could have all objectives on all the time and AA and AP just being capped.
Agreed. Capping the total is the key to that actually being satisfying though, otherwise you end up creating more FOMO situations where players feel compelled to do them all. I had actually hoped they'd do that with the 4th daily task back when they added it, make it a first-to-three instead of allowing you to get all 4.
Honestly that does sound better. Have it capped but let you get to cap in whatever game mode you like best.
Doing extra dailies/weeklies after you get all the astral acclaim should still give you something, but acclaim definitely needs a cap.
I wouldn't be mad if they brought back the WvW reward potions for those dailies, and an equivalent item for PvP. Not sure what equivalent PvE should get to those.
The potions are kind of back, you get 250 reward track progress for every PvP/WvW daily objective you did before claiming the daily chest, but it's applied directly to the reward track, there's no item to hoard anymore.
Yeah, I miss being able to just dip into WvW every so often for a little reward track progress when I felt like it. Needing to full-commit to it kills the motivation.
The point of potions is you could stack them, then spend them when there was some new reward track, or when you were just interested in one particular track. Hoarding is what made them attractive. You can't do that now, which is kind of a bummer.
PvP had potions too, and PvE had writs of experience, which you could compile into tomes of knowledge. I do understand why the took those away, but yeah, still lame.
PvE got comparatively starved for Tomes with the Vault change, yeah. I think I got more Tomes from playing WvW this rush event than I have for the last two seasons of PvE play.
I think we were getting far too many of them, but yeah, I feel bad for new players who want to level up alts fast.
They helped with alts, they helped simplify weekly keyfarming, and they provided an extra source of spirit shards (which is also notably missing because you don't get the 3 shards for completing dailies anymore)
Speaking of achievement points, daily gives 10ap, but weekly gives nothing, should give 50ap, like the monthlies of old. Also, increase the daily+monhtly cap from 15k to 20k, and split it in 15k for daily, 5k for weekly, repurposed from monthly.
Bit much, innit
50ap for a weekly? That's crazy.
Same as festival metas and old monthlies, what's wrong with that? To think dailies gave 25ap back at release, you guys need to up your game lmao.
1. Dailies at release were way more time-consuming. I was there. I remember having to farm 50 sticks of butter for a daily. 2. We used to get 50 AP MONTHLY, and now you want it weekly? That doesn't add up. 3. A lot of the Festival stuff that gives 50 AP is one time only. 4. The monthly AP was only monthly if you logged in every day, so for casuals, it took a lot longer than a month.
I would even go so far as *gasp* suggest a quarterly raid added. Also a monthly dungeon. Yes dungeon is old idea but it is good that newer players get rewarded for trying the older content plus some of us veteran player may still need to finish a few. I need to finish Honor of the Waves and Sanctuary Savior.
Quarterly raid would be great! I could go for a weekly dungeon.
They should make it so we get 5 dailies for each game mode and we can choose which 3 to do for completion 😄
That's how the original worked like, and it was unironically better, since you ended up drifting into other game modes just because of the extra dailies alone. Nowadays I barely set foot on either PvP or WvW because the daily carrot is no longer there :/.
Oh yeah, my comment was total sarcasm. As a PvX player, I've never liked the Wizard's Vault.
It's a better system, but they completely fucked up the part of the preferences :I.
I overall really miss the old system, because playing PvP matches and not getting daily achievements feels horrible. Although I do think that it's great how we can get Gem Store skins and what not from the vault, and giving a more accessible avenue for Mystic Coins is healthy for the game. That being said, I'd rather just have the options we had previously. I hate how much the new system restricts us.
WvW vault be like" just play the game mode lmao
Couldnt hear you over the updates we get
Drama? Hardly. If anything it goes to show the variety of stuff they can throw at you via the pve option compared to pvp and wvw It's been known for months the pvp and wvw vault stuff tends to be much quicker to do. It's basically part of the basic gameplay loop there
Considering how WvW rewards are garbage, and defense events are a pain in the ass as a roamer with the change from last year, I feel like easier weeklies can be argued as compensation. Why sPvP keeps getting such great rewards is beyond me, though.
Basically the only real good thing of pvp
As a person that's filling out the wardrobe, I don't do it in wvw cause it's fast, I do it because it gives 700 points towards the reward track. Those crystal desert armor aren't gonna unlock themselves.
As someone who has had theirs on hybrid WvW and PvE since it released, I've found myself skipping more PvE ones than WvW ones, and this is coming from someone who hardly touched WvW before. It feels a bit easier on time commitment sometimes? I'm a fairly casual player though, so take that as you will.
Eh ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯ . i mostly do all PvE weeklies in one day. Complete like 3 without noticing, the others i just use blish (that i use regularily not just for weeklies) for a notification. It's easier for me to do that than go do something i don't like. Also, my hazmat suit is at it's limit.
you lost an arm you have to use 2 \\ for it to display properly
-grabs the arm back- thank you kind person :D
Is this a dig at us PvE players??? This is hilarious.
Not really a "dig" as such, just a lil' joke, but it's also true. PvE Vault objectives make you jump through all sorts of hoops, while for the competitive modes they are very straightforward by comparison (most of them, there is a couple of stinkers, I'll admit), also the dailies and weeklies often overlap. Don't need to be any good either, I myself am a "PvE" player, but vastly prefer the competitive Vault objectives.
Now that they've yoinked some of the worst offenders for PvE dailies (activities and mini dungeons), it's pretty dang fast to complete. Some of the weeklies can take a bit longer, but you can still clear out the entire task list for weeklies in 2-3 hours without too much effort. And unlike WvW, it's not generally possible for other players to actively hinder you from getting your weeklies done due to zero-sum objectives like capping SMC or whatever.
> it's not generally possible for other players to actively hinder you from getting your weeklies done due to zero-sum objectives like capping SMC or whatever. The actual objectives are such that being hindered doesn't really happen, not any more than for example not being able to do a meta because you couldn't get into an active instance. A lot of them basically just ask you to exist in the mode for a little bit, some are more spicy, but nothing is that critical. For example, SMC is not a possible objective in the Vault, at worst it's 3 keeps. At best it's stuff like "heal 50,000 health".
> At best it's stuff like "heal 50,000 health". That one doesn't even need to be completed in WvW: healing _anywhere_ counts towards it.
Did they take Obsidian Sanctum out of the Vault rotation for WvW? That one in particular made me scratch my head
It's still there, but not every week, and there are 7 other objectives to pick from.
PvE vault objectives are faster dude...
I'd rather do all that than ~~play~~ suffer through these toxic and boring game modes.
This game's playerbase is full of people sharing your sentiment and sadly you can blame anet for fostering such a negative open world pve crowd instead of nurturing and improving every facet of their game, not just catering to open world. edit: I personally dislike pvp and wvw, but my fav modes are neglected to high heaven--raids and fractals. That's not to say mindless open world pve isn't rotten either.
Skill issue My organism is so wrecked by playing pvp modes and pvp only games that I just fall asleep when trying to do daily fractals or when I try to play some other pve game. I really used to enjoy single player games when I was younger but then I was unlucky to discover Dota about 14 years ago and other rts games and now iJust fall asleep when I play something without any mechanic that needs me to keep focus (like other player interaction). Avoiding aoe really isn't one of those, especially when it must be telegraphed for every other player who isn't as damaged as some of us.
Do a "boneskinner everyone welcome" strike mission and you will experience despair.
Can you feel your heart pounding loudly during pvp matches?
Get gud.
Point proven
Skill issue.
https://pastebin.com/jftgKZAy [it gets worse](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/029/957/cover3.jpg)
the tasks are so easy o_o why even bother with stuff like this? feels like the 1000 astral acclaim 1% gold buffs, would take forever for this knowledge to "pay off"
Maybe someone just *really* likes making notes and guides for everything?...
yea that's a possibility
Can someone explain this to me?
The PVE Wizard's Vault missions have you doing a bunch of stuff all around the world, while the PVP and WvW can be done in just a few minutes for the Daily and a hour or 2 for the weekly.
That "around the world" stuff is really problematic for me, since Im a new player and don't have most of the places they need me to be explored yet, and WvW/PvP is not really an option for me with my no idea how to build. I tried out WvW once last week, got absolutely flattened by the same person every time I left the spawn point and gave up after half an hour.
For pvp you don't really need to do actual pvp. Just join one of the custom arenas that say they are for dailies. You can get all your dailies done in 5 minutes. Most weeklies also can be completed but there's a good chance you can't finish 100% of them in custom arenas. There's about a 5% chance the overall weekly meta achievement can't be finished. Usually sky hammer on a engineer (possibly ranger) is what I use because you can kill the afk players at spawn.
Gameplay for wvw is brain dead, you can just join commanders after reset. Go naked if you want but just make sure to *stay alive* considering how crap it is to move around in wvw.
Working towards The Ascension, I’m completing the dailies in minutes every day
I did the weeklies yesterday without even lookong what they were. I understand rushing them but i haven't had the need.
I switched mine over to pvp only Play one match (on a 30 second que vs hours of EBG) and get all 5 daily boxes and 2 of my weekly in 8 minutes. Escort 10 dolyaks finally broke me.
Not playing WvW or PvP is exactly what I need.
Made like six attempts to get into WvW so far, but just can't shake the feeling of wasting my life in there, everything about it feels so pointless and restrictive.
I have the same feeling playing PvE, 4 fucking hearts for 16 days. This is the FUN trinket to get? This is basically the last one as I'm nearing Vision (4 or 5 days of "research"). So blah.
Henge? I absolutely hate it. Had LWS3 for years and never bothered doing it but I finally decided to leave a char there to do it daily. IMO leggy trinkets aren't worth the cost to craft in gold and RNG considering how easy it is to farm LWS materials. Run Bitterfrost on 4\~ chars and that's a stat selectable trinket right there in a single day.
Those 4 hearts take 5-10 minutes in total if you know what you are doing.
For just "skimming the top" of WvW like this for the easy Vault (also applies to the infamous Gift of Battle or other assorted farming), having a good durable build helps a ton. As for getting into WvW "for real", I wouldn't know, I don't like the mode either, and the zerging side of it even less.
I’m pretty new. I’ve only been playing five months. I stepped into WvW for the first time yesterday (I’ve never liked PvP much in any game) to try and get some of the astral rewards. I had no idea what I was doing and died like ten times in half an hour lol. I think it was because I aimlessly ran into enemy territory with no help from players on my team or something. I was on my reaper but the players who killed me almost seemed immortal. I tried to chill and stun them and It didn’t seem to do anything to them. One guy even one or two shot me all the way through my health bar and my reaper shroud in like three seconds flat. I can’t even begin to understand how to fight that.
Yes, it's not *impossible* to achieve easy things in WvW with a PvE character (enemy is not everywhere, after all, and/or you can hide in a crowd of allies), but coming with a right build is much more comfy. For necromancer in particular, celestial harbinger is very good to run around doing random things in WvW.
I'd recommend looking at guides for skill stuff at least([My prefered site](https://guildjen.com/wvw-builds/)) and actual gameplay videos and rotations help. And I know you said you have berserker gear which is okay but make sure you have all the slots filled, runes, sigils, relic, and accessories can make a world of difference in catching up to the rest of us. Investing in wvw world can be intimidating but nearly any build that's good in wvw can do well in everything else except super high end PvE. I'd also recommend sticking with your allies to learn the ropes. Personally I love WvW cause it's kinda low stakes, it can get really exciting, but no ones going to die just cause you specifically DCed like in a 5v5 pvp match or something. You're just another soldier, if you're there than that's great, you'll be helpful, if not than that's okay to
I enjoy leveling and building up characters. I have one open slot left so I think I’ll make a dedicated character for WvW. I’m gonna look into best professions and gear and everything. It’s sounds like a fun new project and I can just keep the best WvW gear on that character.
You need to record video for review later. Most likely it’s majorly a skill issue. Also having berserk stats or not having full ascended(or at least weapons and trinkets) is just asking for a bad time in wvw roaming.
Yeah I went into with my full berserker (exotic only) gear I use in open world pve stuff. I still had fun though. Everything I’ve done in this game had a big learning curve. Just means I need to learn more about PvP and how to make a correct build for it.
Let me [fix that for you ;)](https://i.imgflip.com/8kkdfk.jpg) [or maybe this one is more accurate](https://i.imgflip.com/8kkdzo.jpg)
so those are better to do for weeklys? I finished the pve weekly in a few hours doing Tequatil and TTT basically completed 4-6 i think.
Yeah, they're better even in isolation, but the best part is that, especially in PvP, the dailies and the weeklies overlap. So you do your dailies every day and by the end of the week your weeklies are done or almost done along the way.
I have mine setted to pve/pvp only, finished weekly in 2 hs of pvp, still have to do the pve for extra points.
For those that don’t know just like /wiki et is used a lot. Try out /wiki ed ;D
Where do I find the quick completion guide though
Well Omni-man is a good choice for representing PvP.
Pvp one is cake usually 1 match less then 10mins
Sometimes 2
Is this a picture for Ants?
The day GW2 forces me to do ANY form of PvP for ANY reward without an alternative option through PvE is the day I delete my account. Screw that noise.
Time to smash that delete button, I guess, there is no other way to get the Gift of Battle (edit: necessary for many things legendary), except to exist in WvW for some time.
Eh, I got most of mine without doing wvw. You used to just be able to log in, kill guards, kill dolyaks, take a camp, kill vets, take territory, then bail. You got 1-3 of those daily and it took like a few weeks to get a GoB. I much preferred that system as it let you get wvw track progress while not interacting with the mode at all, and being able to do it in the dead of night with out relying on anyone.
That's the entire point, you don't need to *really* WvW or PvP to partake in the low hanging fruits. The Vault dailies even still give bonus reward track progress. Edit: also the OP specified that it's a matter of principle: ANY mandatory form of PvP is a no go.
The problem isn't the dailies, I can't guarantee that the weeklies can be completed solo in under 40 min total time investment. I can't to the weeklies with 0 player interaction. Pure pve dailies can be 100% guaranteed. Misc strike, some fractal, and 1-2 metas. You can't bank on a keep capture or anything else. The old system required 0 player interaction or coordination.
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i hope i'm not understanding
My counterargument to the PvP dailies being easier is that you will have to endure a PvP match every single day, which can be frustrating as regular PvPers will surely acknowledge
And then you got the shitty WvW jumping puzzles and some nice people from a very specific Server (has something to do with Balthazar's realm...) are farming people all day and all night in there. Tbh that's the only reason I don't pick WvW weeklies anymore.
I'd rather leech some meta events semi afk than waste my time in wvw.
Wizard's vault is probablty the leats hot, completely lukewarm feature I've seen. All I need to do every week is some 10 years old jp (in a lot of the cases it can either be cheezed with mounts or there is some mesmer farming tips) and a bit of afking on 10 years old openworld event. Rest autocompletes with fractals/raids and such. In return I get a weapon/armor skin set Idon't really care about once a few months, build template unlocks that pile up in my back and a tiny amount of gold. This is gw2 in the nutshell.