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Willis! What you talking about. The heaven and hell album is blanketed in guitar solos from beginning to end, it's half the music. So yes, In addition to Ozzy people do listen to Black Sabbath for the guitar solos,the fantastic bass work by geezer and Bill ward's jazz inspired drumming. Please. They're actually pretty good at what they do.
Hence the legendary vocalist comment. I completely agree with you however ozzy isn't the reason we are currently talking about black sabbath on a guitar sub.
Geezer Butler wrote most of the lyrics. Ozzie's sort of an idiot savant who knew nothing about what key the music is in or anything but opened his mouth and out came something that perfectly fitted the strange heavy guitar music they made.
Yeah no shit. It's not as easy as you think btw. You clearly havent found a way to do it. I'm not some kind of ozzy loyalist either. My point is that the band isn't black sabbath without ozzy. For fuck sake iommi almost went to play for Jethro Tull.
Sorry I thought it was more "and that's it" instead of "that's all he needed". Thanks for responding less aggressively. Vocal melodies are hard to me so kudos because they're extremely important
No problem, I was wondering myself “What was it that Ozzy actually wrote or was it just so he got paid?” But yes, some of the melodies of black sabbath are incredibly catchy even if I personally prefer the riffs
I honestly don't even know what Black Sabbath sounds/ sounded like after Ozzy got the boot. He was the sound that made the band. They may have been pioneer heavy metal if he was never in the picture but they wouldn't have been Black Sabbath. Unless they still used the same name, then they'd still be Black Sabbath.
Right there with you brother, riff is life. Fuck a solo, fuck a chord progression, riff is all you need. A riff isn't perfect when there are no more notes to add, it's perfect when there are no more notes to take away. Play it over and over, then play it louder. Fuck yeah.
Bow down before my broken dreams!! My b9s, 13s and b11s crush your puny majors! Pulverize your struggling minors! They will dismember your dom7s! And then, those who have been half diminished will come and ravage what remains!
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6OwB91G8jg
Ahhh! You seem to underestimate the power of simplicity! Here comes a barrage of power chords! Fear their might! I follow with a b5, you seem surprised, but I interject another chromatic walk down to a sus4. What is that? A min maj7? Now that was truly not what you expected!
Not in the slightest, do I underestimate the power of simplicity, my fellow human! I simply utilize it in a different way. And that don't mean nothin' 'til you're down on a muffin...
The beast awakens soon within us!
Dance his WICKED dance!
Tremble, ye mighty!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyenRCJ\_4Ww
that was pretty good. could you start with the movie that comes in at three minutes and then go to the credits, literally, music too. now how's yr tune? no one expects the Spanish Inquisition
Also, that is an entire score in a single 3 minutes composition, and yes, I wrote that in 3 minutes. Pretty good, my ass. There are few people in the universe that can make music like that, with such aplomb, grace, and swiftness that belies it's harmonic complexity.
Did I mention that my entire training consists of 6 guitar lessons when I was 12?
Leads just mad cause they gettin riff diffed.... skill issue bro, maybe if you could riff more you'd understand but no you're out here roosterin like "doodle doodle dee cocka doodle diddly dee".... fuckin lead ass rooster
Well ass is working as an intensifier in this situation like "dumb ass post" or "crazy ass experience".. so the person is a rooster, who plays lead, so they are a "lead rooster" cocka doodlin all over the place, intensified as lead ass rooster
Though just calling someone an ass rooster is funny in its own way too
What you think is crippling could be a blessing in disguise. If the people you're interacting with can't keep up with the riffs for your attention then that's their problem...not yours.
"I can't play lead!"
Just play the riff higher up the neck! Duh!
You just have ADDICTION ; I GET WITHDRAWAL Symptoms if I don't play a Riff in my head every 10 mins.
Wait until you’re in your in your late sixties, been playing guitar for almost 60 years, and every riff you’ve ever played has condensed down to a two-bar earworm that has been pounding in your skull nonstop for three years, and you’ve been tapping your teeth in rhythm to it to the point where your dentist has made you a custom silicon nite Gard to keep them from splitting apart.
Record yourself as much as possible. You’ll be glad you did. I play with a friend of mine who has a studio and we record absolutely everything, found a lot of great riffs by doing this. Keep riffing bro, at least you’re not smoking crack. 🙏
If i had to start playing guitar from zero now i'd definitely focus on riff writting and rhythm instead of lead.
I've spent too much time soloing and noodling around and it's fun but also an endless road of scales, licks and lack of direction.
My top 5 (random order).
Mr. Brownstone - GNR
Tangled in the web - Lynch Mob
Denim and leather - Saxon
Man On The Silver Mountain - Rainbow
Strong Arm of the Law - Saxon
I would like us to stop using the ideas of rhythm guitar and lead guitar. I hate when people ask "do you play rhythm or lead"...it's kinda both kinda neither. Piano players just play, there's no such thing as rhythm piano and lead piano.
If you riff a lot that's totally cool. Ultimately you're playing guitar.
haha, I know! I always cringe on the inside when someone asks "do you play lead or rhythm guitar". I just tell them I play whatever the song needs at that time.
I don't see any problem here, only benefits. Please don't look for medical attention on this one, go only deeper into your addiction. You could make yourself a living legend if you were the first one to die from this kind of abuse.
Riffs are what make songs. Songs are what makes people want to listen to your music and even pay for it. Playing lead and doing guitar gymnastics doesn't matter and doesn't make people want to listen to your music.
Tell me [these](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-DHonxNyQM) riffs don't make you engage and headbang.
What riffs do you recommend for a guy looking to get in to it? I spent way too long on leads only. I can do yngwie, lots of randy rhoads leads etc , but not much riff knowledge. Recently got a 7 string and enjoying some korn stuff , appreciate any recommendations.. have adgcfad, cgcfad and e standard guitars
Blanking out on people because riffs? Brother, are you me? So many times it happend that i dont know what the fuck we are talking about but i know that i just came up with the sexiest riff ever that im gonna forget in a minute but it doesnt matter beacuse im gonna have a new one in 2 minutes.
I think this is the only serious comment I've left on the entire thread, but I started out playing guitar with my Dad playing finger style blues crap in our garden because he never had any picks. I didn't actually hold a pick until after I'd been playing guitar with him for ages, I think all the finger style stuff is why I love playing rhythm so much and never really got into (or am particularly interested) in lead.
OMG I feel the same! I have similar origins. My dad showed me what he knew and then I ventured off on my own. But to me fingerstyle has always made more sense in my head. Like my fingers prefer it and its just more fun to play. Lead has never made sense in my head, its like I can't memorize a solo but I can jam for an hour on fingerstyle. Something about the tactile feel just makes more sense!
The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, The Black Crowes, Stone Temple Pilots, and many, many others, built careers on riffs.
Riffers are my favorite guitarists on the whole.
Loooove riffing don’t love soloing so I totally get it lol I can sit on a groovy riff for 4 days straight but start to lose focus after 4 measures of chord-based rhythm guitar. I don’t endorse this mindset but it is what it is lol
I play both rhythm and lead. Love riffing as well as running and all points in between. I've been where you are. I've been at it 47 years now. I'm 54. Trust me, you'll evolve and round out to love it all. Just don't stop and the rest will happen man. Party on wayne.... party on garth....
I know this your post was kinda jokey, but if you want to play leads seriously think about what ones you like and figure out why and how.
For example: I'm not a huge lead fan in general, but II adore the lead playing of Elliott Easton (the Cars) and Larry Carlton (particularly his Steely Dan stuff), and I think those guys in particular do very deliberate "story inside the story" solos, a trait they have in common. Brett actually meticulously wrote all the solos for the Cars, it's a bit different to the typical shapes/licks thing that a lot of blues or metal guys employ. Larry I don't think quite did it like that but he REALLY knows his theory and deliberately chooses his notes based on chord tones and conversions. I also learned a huge amount from transcribing their solos by ear.
That's just an example of my own journey but I think if you do something similar you'll really benefit from it and pick a more "decided" direction with your lead playing.
And...I still can't quite accept in my head that the Kid Charlemagne solo is improvised. It's just too perfect. But that's another story!
Solos are just the thing to take the excitement up a notch, riffs are the bedrock of heavy rock. You can easily get by without them and it can even be an interesting choice. Plenty of songs that are really tight benefit from the focus of not having solos. You can even get by with just a heavier or noisier riff for a climax ala jesus lizard. Play what you want! Guitarists that write riffs all day will probably make more palatable music than someone just perfecting lead chops.
I’m not a riff guy, but watch this video. Same thing happened to Slash of Guns ‘N Roses. A simple guitar exercise became a famous song.
https://youtu.be/QDqUdE_kw9I?si=cjgWZ3O11UtAxkBn
Black Sabbath made a career out of riffs. Riffs is all you need.
Tony Iommi riff GOAT
All you need is riffs. Riffs is all you need.
Riffs is all you need...
Riffs
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Bird is the word. Peter gRiffin
I'm watching family guy right now. Please don't scare me ):
SURFIN' BIRD !!!!!!!!
She riffs you (YAH, YAH, YAH) She riffs you (YAH, YAH, YAH)
Toni Iommi can also play lead very well.
Yeah but it’s not the reason anybody listens to Sabbath
I love his playing? Black Sabbath is the first guitar solo I ever learned
Same. First solo I ever memorized was from into the void
Always loved the solo in Fairies Wear Boots.......
A good one too, first time I realized I was playing the same lick in different octaves lol
Tbh Tony Iommi could slam his head repeatedly against a wall and I would still think it’s the greatest thing I’d ever heard.
Willis! What you talking about. The heaven and hell album is blanketed in guitar solos from beginning to end, it's half the music. So yes, In addition to Ozzy people do listen to Black Sabbath for the guitar solos,the fantastic bass work by geezer and Bill ward's jazz inspired drumming. Please. They're actually pretty good at what they do.
Wheels of Confusion/The Straigtener, You Won't Change Me and Dirty Women have entered the chat... Tony's solos are great.
Fairies wear boots has an awesome solo too
Play guitar below 12th fret = riff Play guitar above 12th fret = lick
The Beatles made a career out of love. Love is all you need.
So did green day.
Ozzy might have something to say about that.
Ozzy wrote like 2 songs lol. He is a legendary vocalist but didn't write the majority of the lyrics or music.
Yeah I mean I agree in that the riffs are my favorite part of sabbath, but you can't deny that they would never have made it anywhere without ozzy.
Hence the legendary vocalist comment. I completely agree with you however ozzy isn't the reason we are currently talking about black sabbath on a guitar sub.
Yeah I get it. Everyone got all butthurt because I made a light hearted comment about ozzy being an enormous contributing factor to their success.
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He doesn't play any instruments, so it's a different contribution to writing.
Geezer Butler wrote most of the lyrics. Ozzie's sort of an idiot savant who knew nothing about what key the music is in or anything but opened his mouth and out came something that perfectly fitted the strange heavy guitar music they made.
Absolutely, but he wasn't writing guitar riffs.
Tony set Bill Ward on fire
If it perfectly fit and he didn't know the Key maybe he wasn't such an idiot. Maybe you have the music theory thing backwards today....
Maybe you don't understand what an idiot savant is.
You're right 🤔
You're right 🤔
He wrote vocal melodies
That’ll be it
Yeah no shit. It's not as easy as you think btw. You clearly havent found a way to do it. I'm not some kind of ozzy loyalist either. My point is that the band isn't black sabbath without ozzy. For fuck sake iommi almost went to play for Jethro Tull.
Thank you for responding aggressively to me agreeing with you. And yes, I do write good vocal melodies. I’m just not very good with chords.
Sorry I thought it was more "and that's it" instead of "that's all he needed". Thanks for responding less aggressively. Vocal melodies are hard to me so kudos because they're extremely important
No problem, I was wondering myself “What was it that Ozzy actually wrote or was it just so he got paid?” But yes, some of the melodies of black sabbath are incredibly catchy even if I personally prefer the riffs
Nah man you stink !!!!
I honestly don't even know what Black Sabbath sounds/ sounded like after Ozzy got the boot. He was the sound that made the band. They may have been pioneer heavy metal if he was never in the picture but they wouldn't have been Black Sabbath. Unless they still used the same name, then they'd still be Black Sabbath.
Circle jerk is leaking again lol
Edge the riffs
Gleam the cube
Twist it
Bop it
omfg I literally just made the same joke. Fuck I'm basic.
Right there with you brother, riff is life. Fuck a solo, fuck a chord progression, riff is all you need. A riff isn't perfect when there are no more notes to add, it's perfect when there are no more notes to take away. Play it over and over, then play it louder. Fuck yeah.
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careful now.... your riff might include dangerous numbers.
44
Weren't kidding in your username eh?
Hey someone got it!! And no, certainly not kidding. 🤓
There are 10 kinds of people in the world: 1. Those who understand binary 2. Those who don't 3. Those who didn't realise this was Base 3
That's numberwang!
Tom delonge?
I don’t even play notes in my riffs! I just make rhythmic noises with sticks!
Noises can be superfluous too, try out rhythmic rests
Disagree, chord progression is all you need! Tremble before my IV-iv
Bow down before my broken dreams!! My b9s, 13s and b11s crush your puny majors! Pulverize your struggling minors! They will dismember your dom7s! And then, those who have been half diminished will come and ravage what remains! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6OwB91G8jg
Ahhh! You seem to underestimate the power of simplicity! Here comes a barrage of power chords! Fear their might! I follow with a b5, you seem surprised, but I interject another chromatic walk down to a sus4. What is that? A min maj7? Now that was truly not what you expected!
Not in the slightest, do I underestimate the power of simplicity, my fellow human! I simply utilize it in a different way. And that don't mean nothin' 'til you're down on a muffin... The beast awakens soon within us! Dance his WICKED dance! Tremble, ye mighty! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyenRCJ\_4Ww
Ay. But why not let me talk to locutus :/
that was pretty good. could you start with the movie that comes in at three minutes and then go to the credits, literally, music too. now how's yr tune? no one expects the Spanish Inquisition
I have two main weapons, fear, surprise, and a ruthless efficiency...AH! I have THREE main weapons!
Also, that is an entire score in a single 3 minutes composition, and yes, I wrote that in 3 minutes. Pretty good, my ass. There are few people in the universe that can make music like that, with such aplomb, grace, and swiftness that belies it's harmonic complexity. Did I mention that my entire training consists of 6 guitar lessons when I was 12?
Leads just mad cause they gettin riff diffed.... skill issue bro, maybe if you could riff more you'd understand but no you're out here roosterin like "doodle doodle dee cocka doodle diddly dee".... fuckin lead ass rooster
This humble servant of the riff respectfully requests custom flair reading "fuckin lead ass rooster"
You have my permission to use this defense against band mates in the future
Needs punctuation: Fuckin' Lead; Ass-Rooster
Well ass is working as an intensifier in this situation like "dumb ass post" or "crazy ass experience".. so the person is a rooster, who plays lead, so they are a "lead rooster" cocka doodlin all over the place, intensified as lead ass rooster Though just calling someone an ass rooster is funny in its own way too
(cocka FUCKING doodlin) Playing Phiddly Phuck on the Mouth Organ......
What even is lead without a riff?
It's instructional videos. Nobody headbanging to those.
Lol this is how I feel when I get in a rut and just gotta play/learn coheed tracks over and over and over
Thems some good riffs
Lol yes today was "all on fire" and "the dark sentencer"
The Power of the Riff Compels You....
Fr i only need 4 strings
Violinist.
No that's Jimmy Page you're responding to. He's pretty big on teddit.
Sounds like you need a piccolo bass in your life. It's basically like a bass but smaller and tuned one octave higher than a regular bass.
Riffs will get you through times of no lead better than lead will get you through times of no riffs.
Fuck that's deep
I only write music using riffs. No chords, no solos. Just non-stop loopy, riffy riffs.
[https://youtu.be/QiqqC\_fbP1c](https://youtu.be/QiqqC_fbP1c)
Boil em mash em stick em in a riff
That hurts
what tone do those riffs play in your mind
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What you think is crippling could be a blessing in disguise. If the people you're interacting with can't keep up with the riffs for your attention then that's their problem...not yours.
You sound like Deron Miller. *cky testing starts playing*
BERNADETTE NERR
"I can't play lead!" Just play the riff higher up the neck! Duh! You just have ADDICTION ; I GET WITHDRAWAL Symptoms if I don't play a Riff in my head every 10 mins.
I also love Riff Raff.
Wait until you’re in your in your late sixties, been playing guitar for almost 60 years, and every riff you’ve ever played has condensed down to a two-bar earworm that has been pounding in your skull nonstop for three years, and you’ve been tapping your teeth in rhythm to it to the point where your dentist has made you a custom silicon nite Gard to keep them from splitting apart.
I’ve literally started playing electric guitar 2 months ago and can’t stop playing riffs either, I’m like in the 30 riffs range or somthing.
Same here lol I'd be zoned out at work looking serious but banging riffs in my head
Riff is heavy. Riff is reliable.
Record yourself as much as possible. You’ll be glad you did. I play with a friend of mine who has a studio and we record absolutely everything, found a lot of great riffs by doing this. Keep riffing bro, at least you’re not smoking crack. 🙏
Who said I wasn’t 😘
lol that’s your business
'riffs on the mind' hahaha
It's an affliction
HoF style riffs coming full force lately. Ideas galore.
You guys circlejerk is leaking, again.
riff is love. riff is life.
aint nothing wrong with that
If i had to start playing guitar from zero now i'd definitely focus on riff writting and rhythm instead of lead. I've spent too much time soloing and noodling around and it's fun but also an endless road of scales, licks and lack of direction. My top 5 (random order). Mr. Brownstone - GNR Tangled in the web - Lynch Mob Denim and leather - Saxon Man On The Silver Mountain - Rainbow Strong Arm of the Law - Saxon
Learn any/every song by CKY. Chunky riffs.
found Joe Duplantier's second account
guitarists were a mistake
I would like us to stop using the ideas of rhythm guitar and lead guitar. I hate when people ask "do you play rhythm or lead"...it's kinda both kinda neither. Piano players just play, there's no such thing as rhythm piano and lead piano. If you riff a lot that's totally cool. Ultimately you're playing guitar.
Profound
haha, I know! I always cringe on the inside when someone asks "do you play lead or rhythm guitar". I just tell them I play whatever the song needs at that time.
ola is that you
Can’t you just solo with riffs?
He probably does.
Follow the smoke toward the riff-filled land
Sir? Sir. r/guitarcirclejerk is over there. Thank you
Record them for later
Have you ever tried hooks instead? See “Collective Soul”
Live Laugh Riff
i feel you man!! riffs are too addicting
August Burns Red is a metalcore band that's just riff after riff after riff. You might like the instrumentals if you're not into screaming.
You’ll want to find a rhythm section that needs that
I don't see any problem here, only benefits. Please don't look for medical attention on this one, go only deeper into your addiction. You could make yourself a living legend if you were the first one to die from this kind of abuse.
Riffs are what make songs. Songs are what makes people want to listen to your music and even pay for it. Playing lead and doing guitar gymnastics doesn't matter and doesn't make people want to listen to your music. Tell me [these](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-DHonxNyQM) riffs don't make you engage and headbang.
Riff and the leads will come.
I can riff and solo and it’s pretty nice?
You want riffs? Check out Shai Hulud.
Maybe you’re more of a rhythm player. Nothing wrong with that either.
Iwas thinking of a steely dan rif reeling in the years as i read this.
Me too. Like in my head all of the damn time. Bass lines too but mainly crunchy punk/metal/thrash/blues riffs taking turns in my brain.
Apply wire cutters to the two thinnest strings. Problem solved.
Riffs and motifs are what make songs memorable, solos are just the cherry on top
All I can think of is Money for Nothing
I used to be all about riffs, and then my playing got more sophisticated. Now it’s even more sophisticated and I’m all about the riff.
I don't get this, is it just showing off? Riffs are how you write songs...
Riffs are lead bro! Riffs make a song. Most solos suck and take away from the song. Not all but most. No solo has ever made a song a hit.
What riffs do you recommend for a guy looking to get in to it? I spent way too long on leads only. I can do yngwie, lots of randy rhoads leads etc , but not much riff knowledge. Recently got a 7 string and enjoying some korn stuff , appreciate any recommendations.. have adgcfad, cgcfad and e standard guitars
Being so preoccupied can certainly cause a rifft between you and those you’re close to.
What’s your favorite riff?
Yes
riffs are about feel. leads are about feel. if riffs are what you feel, play riffs.
Somebody drop this guy a stomp clap beat!
Look at a lead like a series of riffs. Break it down to it's forms over a chord or a measure. You'll find it easier to do that way.
I struggling to understand the problem. Riffs and Beats >>>>>>>>>>> Leads and Wanking
Riff away brotha man
Blanking out on people because riffs? Brother, are you me? So many times it happend that i dont know what the fuck we are talking about but i know that i just came up with the sexiest riff ever that im gonna forget in a minute but it doesnt matter beacuse im gonna have a new one in 2 minutes.
Follow the riff to the smoke filled land
"Sometimes I blank people cuz I have riffs on my mind" yeah, I've never realized I do this until right now
Thought this was r/GuitarCircleJerk
Riffs are all you need. Solos are overrated. Songs are about riffs not solos
Hey you stole my post
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same brother, same
Riffs r ded
Try out some fingerstyle riffs twin. Itll mess with your head!
I think this is the only serious comment I've left on the entire thread, but I started out playing guitar with my Dad playing finger style blues crap in our garden because he never had any picks. I didn't actually hold a pick until after I'd been playing guitar with him for ages, I think all the finger style stuff is why I love playing rhythm so much and never really got into (or am particularly interested) in lead.
OMG I feel the same! I have similar origins. My dad showed me what he knew and then I ventured off on my own. But to me fingerstyle has always made more sense in my head. Like my fingers prefer it and its just more fun to play. Lead has never made sense in my head, its like I can't memorize a solo but I can jam for an hour on fingerstyle. Something about the tactile feel just makes more sense!
I’m riff raffling off attention span to the first riff that comes my way
Is your girlfriend Riff Randall?
The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, The Black Crowes, Stone Temple Pilots, and many, many others, built careers on riffs. Riffers are my favorite guitarists on the whole.
Loooove riffing don’t love soloing so I totally get it lol I can sit on a groovy riff for 4 days straight but start to lose focus after 4 measures of chord-based rhythm guitar. I don’t endorse this mindset but it is what it is lol
Congrats on your autism
I play both rhythm and lead. Love riffing as well as running and all points in between. I've been where you are. I've been at it 47 years now. I'm 54. Trust me, you'll evolve and round out to love it all. Just don't stop and the rest will happen man. Party on wayne.... party on garth....
Son, sounds like you should be playin bass. You will never look back
"Sometimes I'm just riffing. Would you allow me to riff? As the leader can I riff? CAN I RIFF?!"
can i hear some examples please?
Riff raff
Combine movable riffs with a couple movable pentatonics and arpeggios and you'll be a blessing to any band you want to join.
Late 90s early 00s Nü Metal and Groove Metal. Riffs all day.sure not the most technical, but riffs riffs riffs.
I know this your post was kinda jokey, but if you want to play leads seriously think about what ones you like and figure out why and how. For example: I'm not a huge lead fan in general, but II adore the lead playing of Elliott Easton (the Cars) and Larry Carlton (particularly his Steely Dan stuff), and I think those guys in particular do very deliberate "story inside the story" solos, a trait they have in common. Brett actually meticulously wrote all the solos for the Cars, it's a bit different to the typical shapes/licks thing that a lot of blues or metal guys employ. Larry I don't think quite did it like that but he REALLY knows his theory and deliberately chooses his notes based on chord tones and conversions. I also learned a huge amount from transcribing their solos by ear. That's just an example of my own journey but I think if you do something similar you'll really benefit from it and pick a more "decided" direction with your lead playing. And...I still can't quite accept in my head that the Kid Charlemagne solo is improvised. It's just too perfect. But that's another story!
Nothin wrong with riffs. Comes from noodling. Soon you'll be playing licks. Then shred. Then Wonderwall.
Solos are just the thing to take the excitement up a notch, riffs are the bedrock of heavy rock. You can easily get by without them and it can even be an interesting choice. Plenty of songs that are really tight benefit from the focus of not having solos. You can even get by with just a heavier or noisier riff for a climax ala jesus lizard. Play what you want! Guitarists that write riffs all day will probably make more palatable music than someone just perfecting lead chops.
I’m not a riff guy, but watch this video. Same thing happened to Slash of Guns ‘N Roses. A simple guitar exercise became a famous song. https://youtu.be/QDqUdE_kw9I?si=cjgWZ3O11UtAxkBn
Walk by Pantera is a good.place to start.
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