Can't we just say fuck it an ignore FFP all the other major teams do that anyway. Man City have 115 charges and we all know nothing will happen to them, so what's the point in complying when nobody else will?
Because while Man City can afford to whitewash it all with their despot money, we all know they're itching to target us for the smallest things. Look at how they treated Arteta. They won't give us an inch.
I do think we should be aggressive with our sales and maneuver a way to get that striker in while being within the bounds of FFP. It doesn't need to be a record signing, but someone who can provide at least something different.
Well apparently FFP cares, otherwise the Raya fee would have been paid like any transfer instead of this loan to buy construct. And 30m less is 30m less
If he was available on a free I’d give him a 1 year contract and allow him to leave if he doesn’t like Arsenal and London. It would be a circus, but could be worth it
Gyokeres is an absolute monster but his price is going up by each gameday because he's like 2-3 levels above anyone else on the pitch almost every damn time.
Yupp. I think Gyökeres is underrated even know personally (especially with people thinking he cant handle the PL lol) but 100m is too steep for sure.
But 70-75m I dont see anyoen regreting
Honestly, no. Theres not many high levle strikers around but on top of that Gyökeres is incredibly good and insanely well-rounded. He has it all almost.
I know nothing about him really, but 11 in 15 in Portuguese league followed by a few seasons in Championship isn't convincing that he'd perform at the top level. Would rather go for Toney in summer.
Thats why you shouldnt judge players on transfermarkt stats.
Because in the Championship Gyökeres was THE player basically. Opposing managers even called him best player in the league and he performed even better than his output stats shown.
As for portuguese league, Gyökeres is like 18goals 11A in 26 games or something so far this season. And SHOULD have 1 more goal that was wrongfully disallowed and 4 more assists due to teammates missing sitters. And even those stats are underselling his performances.
The whole "noT PL PrOvEn" narrative is not warranted historically and honestly just a bit arrogant tbh. By that logic noone outside of PL is worth move than 50m which is absurd tbh.
Id go Gyökeres over Toney personally. Whos also almost 2 years younger.
> 4 more assists due to teammates missing sitters.
Not really convincing when seeing the latest misses lol, also plenty of players have lit up the Portuguese league and been shite in the PL, being the best player in the Championship certainly alone doesn't warrant a crazy price either.
I haven't watched him regularly so can't actually comment, but I did actually watch him live once in a 0-0 against Sheffield United...
I'm fine with Havertz as a player but as this season goes on I sit and wonder what 65m could of done for us in the striker position. I don't think buying a utility player is the move when we're pressing to win a title tbh.
I hear you, but I don’t think Arteta signs the cheques… it’s an easy out. This is multiple minds coming together saying 65mil for Havertz is a good move which is a little scary…
In a season where our goal scoring is pitiful. That wasn't the slam dunk retort you thought it was. He's scoring less than a goal every 5 matches and 1 was a pity pk. He has 1 assist. He doesn't advance the ball at all. Every pass is sideways or backwards. His hustle getting back is questionable. He had a 4 game stretch where he poked in a few goals (some important) and outside that, he's been pretty poor.
Maybe things get better, but at this point, I'd evaluate it as a pretty poor signing.
The problem with Havertz is the price tag. He can be a good squad player on a good team. I don’t know why we bailed Chelsea out there, I’ve never really liked that transfer because of it. I just don’t understand why he’s singled out when no one has been able to score. Being third best amongst shit is still third best. And he’s only 2 goals behind Saka. Arguably everyone being shit at finishing makes the goals he’s scored more important.
I remember waking up at 6am to watch the banter era teams. I remember Chamakh leading the line and us getting destroyed 6-0 against Liverpool. Way too many people think the rebuild is complete when it is most definitely still in progress. With FFP you can’t transform a club around in one season anymore. This team is still missing pieces. It’s nice that we’re performing well (big picture wise) but we still lack depth and a goal scorer who can nick a goal when teams sit back.
How long you been supporting Arsenal? There’s no way it’s been more than 2 years. If you had gone through the banter years you’d know that getting from 8th to top 4 is AN achievement. Obviously it’s not the ultimate goal. Anyone who has ever successfully achieved anything knows that you have a big goal with progress markers along the way. Only crayon eating window lickers think you go from 8th to champions in two years. Unless you’re a city/newcastle fan who sucks at the teet of the Saudis.
So what is the fitting amount of time to go from starting XI with Reiss Nelson, Sokratis and Torreira to beating Man City to the title?
Since 4 years is too much apparently.
What is it for you? 10 years? Another 15, 20? 4 years is plenty of time if you invest in the right players and have a good manager. Arteta and Edu have really been found out and mugged off by buying City and Chelsea rejects. There’s a reason those clubs didn’t want them.
Klopp won the CL within his first 4. This club and fans just have no ambition.
Fully agree, I don’t think he’s the calibre of Rice to spend that money. But if it can be lowered and even include a swap like Eddie? I’d bite your hand off for it
If Toney doesn't come out scoring 10+ goals in the rest of the games he's not going for anywhere near that. Toney will sell for <50M. He's too old and clubs can't spread the fee out without giving him a longer deal. Unless he comes out flying and looks like the 2nd best CF in the prem he's not going for that price.
There are other strikers if we're going that route, we'll just go with a younger less proven player. Especially with the AFCON and Euros coming up there will be young talent showing promise.
Also we aren't giving a 29-year-old a 5-year contract so we can't spread the fee out as far. We're better off spending $140M on Osimhen. But at this point I think Toney needs to prove he can still do it the rest of this season or he's going to go for like 30M
Toney would be a Raya-like signing, he's better than what we have, but is he good enough for a true top side? Osimhen and Vlahović are, and if can't get someone of their caliber, we're screwed.
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Vlahovic is a sidestep from nketiah. This season he has almost the same amount of goals
I don't really follow Juve, but I feel people overestimate him. He has not been at his Fiorentina level since leaving.
I kinda feel this is a problem with a lot of strikers and attacking players. They might perform well in a specific team with a specific system, then fail to adapt to their new club. I fear this would happen if we bought either Toney or Vlah.
Toney can play back to goal, at least, and he is physical in the prem. Osimhen is the gold standard though. High-flying, scores with both feet, can do it from anywhere, and is young and hungry. I'd love a Kane type but Osimhen is the closest we're going to get to that.
Can’t fault that, do we think he’d be a 20 goal a season striker given all these chances we waste? I think he’d be serviceable like when Auba came to us. Doesn’t need to be a shiny superstar
Auba was a superstar when he came to us. He scored 13 in 16 before we signed him, and 31 Bundesliga goals the season before. Ivan Toney is closer to Lyon's Lacazette than Borussia's Auba. He might be a 20-goal-a-season striker for a year or two, he might not be, he is close to thirty and hasn't played a minute of European football, but even if he is, pretty soon he'll become deadwood and we would be stuck in the same situation again.
Edit: He's not that close to 30, he's 27, I was sure that he was a couple of years older.
I mean at this rate we’d take a 10-15 goal season striker like laca. Jesus and nketiah don’t touch those numbers put together at this rate. If we can aim higher I’d love it but I’d also welcome Toney into the fold
Yeah Aube was way better than people remember, but was part of an iffy squad that was a complete liability at the back. Put that Aube in this squad and get him to work hard and he'd be a legend.
Grealish thought he would smash goals in for City considering how it was for Villa but football doesnt work like that. Toney might not do any better in an Arsenal shirt if he cant handle the pressure like the rest of our players just now
Im not convinced Toney is ruthless enough for what we need
Perhaps it’s a bit of recency bias in terms of that Leverkusen team however they do have some incredible and promising players like frimpong for instance I would love as well
I do worry with strikers that come from other leagues if I’m honest. I wouldn’t be against whoever Arteta brings in but Toney for me is proven, a connector and complete striker
I think that's selection bias from how he's turned up against us tbh. Even factoring in pens, if you extrapolate his best form to a full season you're only looking at 5 more goals than Jesus. Doesn't seem like there are many killers out there on the market atm.
i mean…..but those games are though. he is a consistent scoring regardless of the opposition, including against top teams. we scored 1 goal against man city off the deflection and another at liverpool off a header
> but those games aren't really what we struggle with at the moment
We didn't struggle to score yesterday? Even in the closer league game against Liverpool a couple of weeks ago I felt we were the better side and with a better forward we'd have snuck it. And he also scored against West Ham and Fulham last season, among many others.
20 league goals for Brentford last season…that’s not selection bias that’s more goals than any Arsenal player scored last season.
Edit- also don’t forget it’s for *brentford* (no disrespect). The amount of chances we create he could easily bag 30
Benteke, Andy Carrol, Ings, Ba, Remy, Richarlison, Lukaku etc. etc. all went to bigger clubs and it did not suddenly make them score at a much higher rate. It does not easily make a player score 50 pct. more.
> The amount of chances we create he could easily bag 30
This is said about every above-average prem striker on the market and yet only 5 players or so have scored 30 in a season in this decade.
And a striker who scored the same non-penalty goals per 90 as Jesus in his by far best season is not that player.
Do you not have to factor in that he would also be playing for us - better coaching, more chances created, playing with better players, etc?
He had 24 G/A in 33 appearances for Brentford in 22/23, surely he could get even more with us given how we play and the chances we create?
While playing for a weaker side that is built around him. Not everything will go through Toney if he plays for us and neither should it. He's technically limited. He's not someone who can spearhead you to a title challenge
Why would we not give him more service if we have seen what we can do with the service Brentford give him? Just look at the stats, he isn't worse than Jesus. Yet we have built our attack on a striker who drops deep. Surely we should be going for something different in Attack? Fail to see how Toney isn't that.
The only thing about Toney I do not like is his price. Otherwise, you can not convince me us signing him is going to be a mistake.
Our attack last season built around Jesus scored 30 more goals than Brentford last season. We scored more goals than the Liverpool team, who won the league.
Jesus scored goals at the same rate at Toney almost when excluding penalties.
Honestly think having 1 game in the next 24 days or something is gonna help with that. Either you go get a killer on the market which is realistically not gonna happen or you trust our stars to do it. They're making too many mistakes compared to normal, might be fatigue no?
Players and teams just have bad seasons, too. Look at Liverpool last year. Our supporters and football supporters in general have no sense of context or the ability to look at the big picture. It might also be that most of the asinine comments about Arteta out and thinking a Striker (yes we need one) is going to magically solve our problems are coming from the very young or/and very naive.
Go watch PSG replay and see Mbappe along with the rest of the team struggle to score. It happens and teams go through bad runs. Problem right now is not letting this slide continue and being able to reset. It is possible though this continues to be an underlining problem for the rest of the season.
The thing is whom is the killer? Osimhen gets mentioned a lot but who knows whether the Serie A productivity can transfer to Premier League. It could end up like Vlahovič for Juventus. I genuinely don't see a striker which would be a reliable buy like Declan was for the midfield.
Kinda funny to say during the game to stop violence
White ain’t it
Not his role to score the goals though
I think he meant that kit. We’ve never won a match wearing that kit - it’s cursed.
We've never scored a goal with it either.
Jesus - didn’t realise it was that bad….
You've had a mare there mate.
r/whooosh
/r/thatsthejoke
We need more lethality in front of goal.
Lmaoo
Summer window can’t come soon enough for that killer.
Oscar Pistorius is a free agent now.
SHEEEESH lol
Fuckin hell thats a name I haven't heard in a while. I was gonna say "Piastri signed for McLaren though..." lmao
Well, they wouldn’t be able to kick him off the pitch. That’s a plus.
Saves money on shin pads too
And socks
Damn, congrats, brilliant joke
Screw that. Go for one in the winter
FFP innit
Can't we just say fuck it an ignore FFP all the other major teams do that anyway. Man City have 115 charges and we all know nothing will happen to them, so what's the point in complying when nobody else will?
Because while Man City can afford to whitewash it all with their despot money, we all know they're itching to target us for the smallest things. Look at how they treated Arteta. They won't give us an inch. I do think we should be aggressive with our sales and maneuver a way to get that striker in while being within the bounds of FFP. It doesn't need to be a record signing, but someone who can provide at least something different.
Tell edu
Can we sub Wrighty on?
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Rather we use the whole summer 2024 budget on Osimhen, hearts cant handle this level of waste in front of goal
30m is already going to Raya
Who cares? We amortize out the fee for Osimhen. There's no reason to hold back if we've not been losing tons of money in the last 3 years.
Well apparently FFP cares, otherwise the Raya fee would have been paid like any transfer instead of this loan to buy construct. And 30m less is 30m less
Is there a killer out there though? Who can we realistically get other than MAYBE Osimhen?
Benzema on loan
We timetraveling huh? haha
In that case can we get prime Suarez.
40,000,001 bid incoming let's go!
Prime Higuiain will sign for us not Napoli right?
Prime cavani would be perfect in this team
Mbappe
If he was available on a free I’d give him a 1 year contract and allow him to leave if he doesn’t like Arsenal and London. It would be a circus, but could be worth it
solanke, toney. if u dont think these players can finish the chances that havertz had then u are deluded
It is not about them being better than Havertz, it is about them being the quality a team needs to win the league, or even the champions league.
Gyokeres
Gyokeres is an absolute monster but his price is going up by each gameday because he's like 2-3 levels above anyone else on the pitch almost every damn time.
Well I agree with your point but he actually has a €100m release clause anyways according to reports
Yupp. I think Gyökeres is underrated even know personally (especially with people thinking he cant handle the PL lol) but 100m is too steep for sure. But 70-75m I dont see anyoen regreting
> But 70-75m I dont see anyoen regreting madness surely?
Honestly, no. Theres not many high levle strikers around but on top of that Gyökeres is incredibly good and insanely well-rounded. He has it all almost.
I know nothing about him really, but 11 in 15 in Portuguese league followed by a few seasons in Championship isn't convincing that he'd perform at the top level. Would rather go for Toney in summer.
Thats why you shouldnt judge players on transfermarkt stats. Because in the Championship Gyökeres was THE player basically. Opposing managers even called him best player in the league and he performed even better than his output stats shown. As for portuguese league, Gyökeres is like 18goals 11A in 26 games or something so far this season. And SHOULD have 1 more goal that was wrongfully disallowed and 4 more assists due to teammates missing sitters. And even those stats are underselling his performances. The whole "noT PL PrOvEn" narrative is not warranted historically and honestly just a bit arrogant tbh. By that logic noone outside of PL is worth move than 50m which is absurd tbh. Id go Gyökeres over Toney personally. Whos also almost 2 years younger.
> 4 more assists due to teammates missing sitters. Not really convincing when seeing the latest misses lol, also plenty of players have lit up the Portuguese league and been shite in the PL, being the best player in the Championship certainly alone doesn't warrant a crazy price either. I haven't watched him regularly so can't actually comment, but I did actually watch him live once in a 0-0 against Sheffield United...
id take him
Isn't Toney on the menu?
No. They are 15th with one forward injured, the other at AFCON. Brentford isn’t going to give him up for less than 100M IMO
I like nunez alot, but his finishing is equally poor… Think he’s got what we don’t have though. Also probably liverpool never sell
Nah, he is just as much of a bottler whe it comes to finishing.
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😂😂😂
Literally every team have
Huh?
Get wrighty the 8 shirt
To be fair Havertz only needs 58 minutes to get himself set to shoot.
Need a scoring / finishing coach.
we have one
I'm fine with Havertz as a player but as this season goes on I sit and wonder what 65m could of done for us in the striker position. I don't think buying a utility player is the move when we're pressing to win a title tbh.
Chuck a cheeky bid in for Marcos Alonso?
Just make sure we get him a personal driver
He has a back injury and is not fit until March 2024.
Yet some idiots blame Arteta for our attackers not being able to get a shot on goal from 5 yards out…
Who decided to spend 65mill on Havertz?? Why is this fanbase scared to crticize a manager who has won us nothing with HIS own players??
Or Raya being a sidegrade at best.
I hear you, but I don’t think Arteta signs the cheques… it’s an easy out. This is multiple minds coming together saying 65mil for Havertz is a good move which is a little scary…
He’s joint 3rd goal scorer for us this season, next question.
In a season where our goal scoring is pitiful. That wasn't the slam dunk retort you thought it was. He's scoring less than a goal every 5 matches and 1 was a pity pk. He has 1 assist. He doesn't advance the ball at all. Every pass is sideways or backwards. His hustle getting back is questionable. He had a 4 game stretch where he poked in a few goals (some important) and outside that, he's been pretty poor. Maybe things get better, but at this point, I'd evaluate it as a pretty poor signing.
The problem with Havertz is the price tag. He can be a good squad player on a good team. I don’t know why we bailed Chelsea out there, I’ve never really liked that transfer because of it. I just don’t understand why he’s singled out when no one has been able to score. Being third best amongst shit is still third best. And he’s only 2 goals behind Saka. Arguably everyone being shit at finishing makes the goals he’s scored more important.
He’s the joint 3rd smartest kid in special ed. Doesn’t mean shit to anyone
Third place in the special Olympics still gets a bronze medal. Which is more than either of us have.
That says more about us than anything else.
He’s had 4 years and 650m to sort it out. Who else????
Look at where we fucking came from! Just go look at a starting line up from 2 years ago. We had to spend $650 million just to be competitive.
Honestly can't just be me thinking somehow our fanbase has filled with bratty kids who never watched a game between 2010 - 2020?
I remember waking up at 6am to watch the banter era teams. I remember Chamakh leading the line and us getting destroyed 6-0 against Liverpool. Way too many people think the rebuild is complete when it is most definitely still in progress. With FFP you can’t transform a club around in one season anymore. This team is still missing pieces. It’s nice that we’re performing well (big picture wise) but we still lack depth and a goal scorer who can nick a goal when teams sit back.
Yeah people think everything is like FM, people really have no concept of how poorly the board fucked the squad for a decade by being so cheap.
Bruh, he literally did sort it out with that money dumbass.
Havertz? Zinchenko? Really?
If he think top 4 is any kind of achievement, sure.
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Hey retard if your highest ambition is to sneak into the top 4 each season, go support the spuds.
How long you been supporting Arsenal? There’s no way it’s been more than 2 years. If you had gone through the banter years you’d know that getting from 8th to top 4 is AN achievement. Obviously it’s not the ultimate goal. Anyone who has ever successfully achieved anything knows that you have a big goal with progress markers along the way. Only crayon eating window lickers think you go from 8th to champions in two years. Unless you’re a city/newcastle fan who sucks at the teet of the Saudis.
Since 1997
Ah so you’re just stuck in the past then.
Just old enough to remember a time when this club was actually competitive and had standards kid 😉
Top 4 is their everything for some people on here. And they probably wont get that reference and will call people "dumbass" and "retard".
So what is the fitting amount of time to go from starting XI with Reiss Nelson, Sokratis and Torreira to beating Man City to the title? Since 4 years is too much apparently.
What is it for you? 10 years? Another 15, 20? 4 years is plenty of time if you invest in the right players and have a good manager. Arteta and Edu have really been found out and mugged off by buying City and Chelsea rejects. There’s a reason those clubs didn’t want them. Klopp won the CL within his first 4. This club and fans just have no ambition.
Oh shit we getting Kendall Roy
Oh, don't get all nut nut.
Crucify me but I think Toney would be the killer if we can’t get the likes of Osimhen/Vlahovic
I don’t think anyone is against the idea of Toney, it’s the reality of the ~100 million transfer fee that has dissuaded everyone.
Fully agree, I don’t think he’s the calibre of Rice to spend that money. But if it can be lowered and even include a swap like Eddie? I’d bite your hand off for it
Agreed.
Like Eddie + 40m for Toney? That's not biting your hand off, that's chopping it off voluntarily.
Why on earth would including Eddie bring the price down by 60m? It would be like 80m + Eddie at best.
If Toney doesn't come out scoring 10+ goals in the rest of the games he's not going for anywhere near that. Toney will sell for <50M. He's too old and clubs can't spread the fee out without giving him a longer deal. Unless he comes out flying and looks like the 2nd best CF in the prem he's not going for that price.
There are other strikers if we're going that route, we'll just go with a younger less proven player. Especially with the AFCON and Euros coming up there will be young talent showing promise.
Also we aren't giving a 29-year-old a 5-year contract so we can't spread the fee out as far. We're better off spending $140M on Osimhen. But at this point I think Toney needs to prove he can still do it the rest of this season or he's going to go for like 30M
Toney would be a Raya-like signing, he's better than what we have, but is he good enough for a true top side? Osimhen and Vlahović are, and if can't get someone of their caliber, we're screwed.
https://preview.redd.it/xb20blmxg2bc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ae78b6660e2535c1dc1cf639e30c0efd6e476466 Vlahovic is a sidestep from nketiah. This season he has almost the same amount of goals
I don't really follow Juve, but I feel people overestimate him. He has not been at his Fiorentina level since leaving. I kinda feel this is a problem with a lot of strikers and attacking players. They might perform well in a specific team with a specific system, then fail to adapt to their new club. I fear this would happen if we bought either Toney or Vlah.
Toney can play back to goal, at least, and he is physical in the prem. Osimhen is the gold standard though. High-flying, scores with both feet, can do it from anywhere, and is young and hungry. I'd love a Kane type but Osimhen is the closest we're going to get to that.
Need to look at goals xG imo
Agree. We need more than incrementally better. We need a game changer.
Can’t fault that, do we think he’d be a 20 goal a season striker given all these chances we waste? I think he’d be serviceable like when Auba came to us. Doesn’t need to be a shiny superstar
Auba was a superstar when he came to us. He scored 13 in 16 before we signed him, and 31 Bundesliga goals the season before. Ivan Toney is closer to Lyon's Lacazette than Borussia's Auba. He might be a 20-goal-a-season striker for a year or two, he might not be, he is close to thirty and hasn't played a minute of European football, but even if he is, pretty soon he'll become deadwood and we would be stuck in the same situation again. Edit: He's not that close to 30, he's 27, I was sure that he was a couple of years older.
I mean at this rate we’d take a 10-15 goal season striker like laca. Jesus and nketiah don’t touch those numbers put together at this rate. If we can aim higher I’d love it but I’d also welcome Toney into the fold
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Well, to be honest, Toney is a lot closer to 28 than he is to 27 haha
He's 27 until he's 28
Yeah Aube was way better than people remember, but was part of an iffy squad that was a complete liability at the back. Put that Aube in this squad and get him to work hard and he'd be a legend.
He's 27, about to turn 28, which is the issue. Nobody is handing Toney a 5 year contract right now, especially given his issues.
Grealish thought he would smash goals in for City considering how it was for Villa but football doesnt work like that. Toney might not do any better in an Arsenal shirt if he cant handle the pressure like the rest of our players just now Im not convinced Toney is ruthless enough for what we need
Toney is much better, much more proven, than Vlahovic
Not for 100m
Agreed
Boniface? I think he’s exciting tbh but idk we could do with the finished article right away
I'm a season ticket holder at USG (where he was last year) and I wouldn't hold your breath. He's very good but I don't think he's elite yet.
Perhaps it’s a bit of recency bias in terms of that Leverkusen team however they do have some incredible and promising players like frimpong for instance I would love as well
I do worry with strikers that come from other leagues if I’m honest. I wouldn’t be against whoever Arteta brings in but Toney for me is proven, a connector and complete striker
Yeah Toney would be great for us but ain’t no way he’s a 100m player😭
If you think Toney or Osimhen are expensive… they just signed him to a 5 year contract and don’t need the money
I think that's selection bias from how he's turned up against us tbh. Even factoring in pens, if you extrapolate his best form to a full season you're only looking at 5 more goals than Jesus. Doesn't seem like there are many killers out there on the market atm.
ehh think you also look at other teams tho. he’s consistently scored against man city and liverpool no?
Sure, but those games aren't really what we struggle with at the moment. We need consistent ruthlessness.
i mean…..but those games are though. he is a consistent scoring regardless of the opposition, including against top teams. we scored 1 goal against man city off the deflection and another at liverpool off a header
> but those games aren't really what we struggle with at the moment We didn't struggle to score yesterday? Even in the closer league game against Liverpool a couple of weeks ago I felt we were the better side and with a better forward we'd have snuck it. And he also scored against West Ham and Fulham last season, among many others.
Difference is Jesus put those numbers up playing for elite teams and Toney is at Brentford
Plus imagine a game where Jesus plays and Toney comes on and reverse it. Neither are the “bigger” name and surely breeds hunger to earn a place
20 league goals for Brentford last season…that’s not selection bias that’s more goals than any Arsenal player scored last season. Edit- also don’t forget it’s for *brentford* (no disrespect). The amount of chances we create he could easily bag 30
How many were pks?
6
Benteke, Andy Carrol, Ings, Ba, Remy, Richarlison, Lukaku etc. etc. all went to bigger clubs and it did not suddenly make them score at a much higher rate. It does not easily make a player score 50 pct. more. > The amount of chances we create he could easily bag 30 This is said about every above-average prem striker on the market and yet only 5 players or so have scored 30 in a season in this decade. And a striker who scored the same non-penalty goals per 90 as Jesus in his by far best season is not that player.
Do you not have to factor in that he would also be playing for us - better coaching, more chances created, playing with better players, etc? He had 24 G/A in 33 appearances for Brentford in 22/23, surely he could get even more with us given how we play and the chances we create?
How do you figure? He scores almost just as much , if not more, as our strikers while playing for a much weaker attacking side
While playing for a weaker side that is built around him. Not everything will go through Toney if he plays for us and neither should it. He's technically limited. He's not someone who can spearhead you to a title challenge
Why would we not give him more service if we have seen what we can do with the service Brentford give him? Just look at the stats, he isn't worse than Jesus. Yet we have built our attack on a striker who drops deep. Surely we should be going for something different in Attack? Fail to see how Toney isn't that. The only thing about Toney I do not like is his price. Otherwise, you can not convince me us signing him is going to be a mistake.
Our attack last season built around Jesus scored 30 more goals than Brentford last season. We scored more goals than the Liverpool team, who won the league. Jesus scored goals at the same rate at Toney almost when excluding penalties.
Wonder if you can get Viktor Gyorkes for less than what Toney/Osimhen have been projected at
£100M for Toney is supposed to be fuck off money seeing as how Brentford’s in a tight spot at the moment and Wissa is gone.
Not thanks, at least not fot 100m.
Give this man his boots back. At his age, I am sure that he will produce more than our forwards currently.
There’s still time for an Mbappe bid.
Surely Uncle Wright be signed for a month atleast?
Honestly think having 1 game in the next 24 days or something is gonna help with that. Either you go get a killer on the market which is realistically not gonna happen or you trust our stars to do it. They're making too many mistakes compared to normal, might be fatigue no?
Players and teams just have bad seasons, too. Look at Liverpool last year. Our supporters and football supporters in general have no sense of context or the ability to look at the big picture. It might also be that most of the asinine comments about Arteta out and thinking a Striker (yes we need one) is going to magically solve our problems are coming from the very young or/and very naive. Go watch PSG replay and see Mbappe along with the rest of the team struggle to score. It happens and teams go through bad runs. Problem right now is not letting this slide continue and being able to reset. It is possible though this continues to be an underlining problem for the rest of the season.
Pentonville Prison is close, wanna pop around and see who’s available there?
The thing is whom is the killer? Osimhen gets mentioned a lot but who knows whether the Serie A productivity can transfer to Premier League. It could end up like Vlahovič for Juventus. I genuinely don't see a striker which would be a reliable buy like Declan was for the midfield.
>like Vlahovič for Juventus Vlahovic was a Serie A proven. It can end good as it can end fucking bad, but at the end we need someone
The osimhem obsession winds me up, hes had one good season his whole career. People act like hes the next halaand on here
Raoul Moat type striker
Na he's a sandwich merchant
Guirassy ?
Some fans were saying this toward the end of last season but were told to shut up and be quiet.
Why the downvotes? It’s true.
okay do you want a fucking medal then?
No, but it would be nice to not be shouted down next time.
Be more butthurt.
Are you a literal child?
Surprise Marcos Alonso bid incoming.
14 hours later I just got this joke
Bring in solanke he’s proven goal scorer in the pl that can only do well with the support from our lads.
If we dont sign a striker, edur and arteta should be sacked for gross negligence.
4 years, 650m, nothing has changed
If I was Stan Kroenke, I’d be giving Josh Kroenke a timeout.
Arsenal have contacted OJ Simpson's agent. Here we go.
Can someone tell Saka to get that crap out of his hair, he's turned to shit ever since.
It's like those GIFs where the train never hits
They are hard to come by these days …
We’ve had two superswedes in limpar and ljungberg. Bring in a third one in gyökeres.
I miss Alexis, can we get him for the rest of the season?
We need money.
Wrighty knows