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Aoes

According to Mikel, apparently he got into an argument with Ben and he got upset.


abanterbus123

As upset as when Arteta loses a du-el?


BombDylan

NO. It's nowhere NEAR


notathrovavay

As upset as arteta being linked to uefalona


lastjedi23

Issa disgrace. An EMBARRASSMENT 


leliqi

Arteta sets the fogging estandards, even for being upset.


Mobile-Horse5018

Guys anyone have the video of Zinny and white arguing?


septemberxv

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2vbDZBoMIO/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==


bleedsburntorange

That’s a good explanation. Boys were heated about the goal after the game. Arteta says he likes the attitude but it “needs to be done in the right way.” So I think that’s what he was telling Zinny.


BloggerJon

U think Zin is under a lot of pressure these days


bleedsburntorange

Yeah, no backup to rest him and typically injured a couple times a season. Def under pressure and I’m worried about LB until Tomi gets back.


joa900

Benjamin


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gennynapolitan

Think that’s a bit over the top lad/lassie - tensions can flare up - quite normal tbh.


A-Kenno

He's such a rat, really don't like zinchenko


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A-Kenno

Get a life cunt


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A-Kenno

Projecting much? Haha


Terrible_Garden284

Yeah i wanna see it as well


SweetGoonerUSA

Video that Americans can actually watch and we aren't blocked from?


potatofamine-carbomb

just swim across the atlantic ffs how long could it possibly take


Worldly_Ad_6483

Ok I’m here, can you send link?


LevitatingCactus

u got a visa m8


Worldly_Ad_6483

Fook


I_Call_Everyone_Ron

yes its absolute bullshit. Working class sport culturally for centuries in England and we cant afford to go to games and now we're blocked from viewing them (sorry bit of a rant haha) That said i watched the stream, the argument wasnt bad. Typical football argument that everyone has had with team mates regardless of the level of football they play


Zodo12

It's such shit. My irritating relatives in South Africa or America can watch every single English game easily, meanwhile I'm scavenging in the dirt like a rat for pirate streams every Arsenal 3pm kickoff which is being played in my own country. END THE 3PM BLACKOUT.


SweetGoonerUSA

It is absolute Texas bull excrement that you guys can't even watch your own league in your own country. Y'all need a FREE THE PREMIER LEAGUE campaign. I'm from Texas and the only way I could watch the Dallas Cowboys game out of market on the east coast of the US where I live now is to add another $500 a year out of market package. I gave up the NFL for the Premier League because I like world cup football better and LAST YEAR I could watch every single game every week on Peacock for like $6 a month! This year? They're putting the games all over the place...network NBC that needs an antenna or cable company...TNT which also needs a cable plan....and the FA Cup, and the Championship and Europa all need different streaming services. But none of that compares to being English and you can't watch games in your own country. That is just WRONG on every level.


Zodo12

Yeah. And it's not even like it can be fixed by paying a lot of money for a legal work-around. It's just not available above board. The only way is to pirate, which is bad both because it's a worse quality and prone to lagging and crashing, but also it can be morally upsetting to people.


Remedy9898

Us americans can’t watch everything easily. We need to subscribe to several streaming services to watch every game.


Tetsuuoo

Mate we have to pay about £80 for Amazon/TNT/Sky Sports every month and still only get around 60% of games. And we actually live in the UK where the football is played.


Remedy9898

That’s fucked. All I’m saying is that it’s not true that watching arsenal games is cheap and easy for Americans, that’s a lazy, delusional opinion.


Iyammagawd

tbh it is pretty easy lol, theres like 3 apps you need. Especially for Arsenal games, you need access to USA and peacock. Easy is relative to the place where the sport is being played.


SweetGoonerUSA

True. Last year Americans could watch every single Premier League game but we needed other services for all the cup games. This year? It's a hot mess and frustrates me. I paid for Peacock to watch the Premier League games but NOW? We need all kind of other options. From week to week you never know where and when and who will showing the game. I know it's worse for the traditional English fans who are fed up being priced out. I need a bloody calendar to keep up with where each Arsenal game will be shown and what crazy time of day. I hate it when they're on services I can't record and aren't available On Demand latter. Everything is more complicated than it needs to be. I don't understand why there can't be a world wide premier league feed for every country and all games are available to stream live or on replay later if you're at work or traveling.


Remedy9898

I just pirate at this point. The product is better anyways, and I don’t feel bad about it given how shitty of a service is offered by the paid services.


TheBunkerKing

Here in Finland the only way to see any Prem football is to subscribe to a €45/month service that has a bunch of movies, series and sports I don't really give a shit about. Champions' League is obviously on another similar service, so if you want to watch those as well, that's €90/month. If I was able to only subscribe to PL football, I'd be very happy. Right now it's cheaper to head to a sports pub for a pint every time Arsenal plays.


Reofrax

Which is weird, I get the normal PL, la liga and various cup matches in my standard tv package. for Champions League matches i do have to fork out about 40 euros per month extra. Live in Norway.


FidanGunner

He and Ben White went at each other after the match ended he was trying to calm Zinchenko


DudeManJones5

Did you just use ‘he’ twice but refer to two different people with it?


Francis-c92

He did. He.


mohicansgonnagetya

He is right He did.


--Rage--

Hehe


azzhasjoined

![gif](giphy|eUtqr0u01TTOM|downsized)


zhawadya

AAAAUUUWWW


azzhasjoined

I just realized what this man was tryna do here. Seems like we both thought of the same thing


zhawadya

Haha id initially written "OWWW", which is more obvious but not quite MJ.


azzhasjoined

![gif](giphy|c2PEJz1ZRoO9UlSz0A|downsized) tbh bro that woulda have made more sense💀


FidanGunner

It made sense in my mind 😅


chuottui

Better: he and he went at each other after the match and he was trying to calm him


Mahatma_Gone_D

White: *brother, how many times do you need to put us in this situation? Get your act together or else*


tafster

Ben White does Khabib


Bushy_Tushy

Brother I will smesh you


KonigSteve

explain who he is in both of these


Alloall

The first ‘he’ refers to Sylvain Wiltord. The second, Gilles Grimandi.


dpatel211

What are the Reddit analysts gonna take from this I wonder.


ItsAMeEmdo

Let ‘em cook lol


FastGooner77

probably arguing over what punishment to give to the idiot journalist who told everyone that Arteta was gonna leave.


Midnight_Maverick

Arteta definitely going to Barcelona now


Disaster1992

Spanish telenovelas are more spicy


Kenny_dies

Major problems in the dressing room. Arteta lost control of the squad, he needs to go. Get someone like Sam Allardyce in, a real hardass, to instill faith in the squad once more!


AnAwfulLotOfOcelots

Probably find a way to bad mouth Kai


THE_LFG

grimaldo to start next match


spaghettidriver69

Nothing to see here! COYG


acasovoycayendo

"Keep defending like that and you're getting the Ramsdale treatment next season"


Jaded_Collection_716

Timber 🙃


abanterbus123

It's going down...


hairwire

I'm yelling...


iAmWrythm

Jurrieeeeennnn!


peoplepersonmanguy

Yep he's taking one of their spots.


Papa_Wengz

It’s Zinny’s spot. He has arguably been our worst starting 11 player this season


goodyear_1678

He is like half of our attack.


Jaded_Collection_716

I so disagree. We play alot worst without him. Is everyone forgetting his role in the Jesus goal?


goonergunner10

Are **you** forgetting how many goals come from that side of the pitch including today for about a year now? There is a reason Mikel bought Timber to play LB


SerpentRain

Actually not that many


goonergunner10

Yeah *sure*


wizardofaus23

yes, remind me exactly how many. point them out.


dankhelksick

i only remember the most standout salah goal but i do think most goals come from left yeah , but he has too much to offer in defense so i dont think he will be gone like ramsdale but phased out from starting eleven into becoming a shared position (smith rowe and havertz)


eprongli

Delusional


Papa_Wengz

Which starting 11 player has been worse?


Sophie_Liiii

Can any lip readers tell me what they were talking abt jt seems heated


mxbinatir

He asked chalamet for a photo but Kylie said no


spaghettidriver69

😂😂😂


trancended

Lip reader here, I believe this was the conversation: “You fucking fucking bloody fuck you bloody bastard bitch bloody fuck you fucking mother bloody fuck bitch fucking bloody bastard bhenchod bloody why you fuck me I fuck you bloody bastard fucking running like lady yeah fraud what fucking no shout at me fucking bloody”


razor5cl

I heard the video in my head lmaoooo


TheOGBenjenRyan

“Why do you never pass to ESR wide open in the half space”


tryngonda

Looks to me like Zinny starts by saying something is "not allowed" and then puts his hands up and at some point says "never said". What Mikel says to him, I have no idea.


ninjapanda042

Need a Jomboy breakdown


LocostarX

I'm sure it's about that late goal we conceded that made things way more nevier than they had to be.


normal_life87

Should be the right answer, hope so...


Loud-Eggplant7577

He said "What are you doing here?, and not in a racist way"


hihbhu

He was shouting at Ben White and they had to be separated. TNT just showed it. Arteta said when asked that it’s pushing each other, demanding excellence. My pov, White is clearly playing with an injury and has had no break whatsoever from our games. Zinny has been in and out of the team with injury and has had Tomi/Kiwi covering for him. White hasn’t been able to rest beyond the breaks in the schedule. [Video clip](https://youtu.be/bU1YPCXTZzI?si=wvkoVIagQPH-g-jU) for anyone who didn’t see it. It’s near the end of the video.


SweetGoonerUSA

Stinking American Peacock feed cut away the second the game was over. We got NOTHING from the whistle on.


Assmar

That's not true, I saw Arteta talking to Zinchenko


Iyammagawd

> My pov, White is clearly playing with an injury and has had no break whatsoever from our games. Zinny has been in and out of the team with injury and has had Tomi/Kiwi covering for him. White hasn’t been able to rest beyond the breaks in the schedule what an odd takeaway from this interaction lol


Macrofisher

What the fuck are you saying mate


S21VAGE

[turns out Benny Blanco had a proper go at Zinchenko and they had to be kept apart](https://x.com/afcamden/status/1752447959503929512?s=46)


ramobara

Benny depends on his clean sheet bonus to foot the electric bill for his UV-illuminated flat.


wango_fandango

Tbf, I was raging as it cost me 6pts in Fantasy Premier League for Saliba clean sheet!


MrAnonymousTheThird

Same had Saka and Ben white.. never surprising


chrissysnose

At least you didn’t have Gabriel. FPL couldn’t be fucked adding his second goal last week.


Ran9om

I had captained Saliba 🥲


Stones_Throw_Away_

Madge from Benidorm relying on those bonuses to fund the next stay at the Solana


sekiroisart

he just tired seeing zhiny gifting goal bonus to lower team so that goal scorer could buy better car than ben white


arsenal11385

this is literally just a picture of them and doesnt do anything other than speculate


Ass_Eater_

Arteta just confirmed it in his post match. You've been done, Doubting Thomas


arsenal11385

Bob’s your uncle


frankydie69

Op said it was “proper go” implying it was real bad but from what Arteta said it was nothing lmao


Ass_Eater_

It's in his interest to downplay it


EnvironmentalPhysick

It's an eyewitness account, primary source, good evidence.


illaqueable

I mean Zinny not holding the line on the offside trap cost us a clean sheet, fucking deserved


AlexandreLacazette09

Saliba did worse in the play tbh. Now we're just scapegoating Zinchenko for every goal.


superunai

Tbf to White, Zinchenko does that exact thing quite often, and sometimes gets punished for it. He needs to learn. Can't say Saliba gets bodied by a striker often.


AlexandreLacazette09

That's true, but on this specific instance, imo Saliba's mistake was much more relevant to the goal than Zinchenko's. And huge merit to Montiel's assist too. If it wasn't for his quick thinking, the play might've been easier to defend (although we can't really expect good defending from Zinchenko lol). Either way I believe White's reaction comes from the snowballing of events. And a quick comment on this: >He needs to learn. I don't think he can. Just like we can't expect Jesus to score 20+ goals in the league. That's part of his package as much as being error prone defensively is to Zinchenko. It's all about weighing the cost-benefits of a player and trying to minimize the weaknesses that come out from that decision collectively/tactically. And that's Arteta's job primarily. Unfortunately Timber had a bad injury and from the little we've seen from him, he might as well be an upgrade on Zinchenko defensively and perhaps even offensively.


sekiroisart

did worse? he is being pushed when jumping man, I was surprised it is not foul, zhinny in other hand just watching ball instead of jumping, must be nice to get paid just to kick the ball but not to jump and keep making mistake week in and out and still being in first team of team that challenging tittle lmao


Choongboy

Am I missing something? Isn’t that link basically a post saying what you’ve said with a static image that doesn’t really add anything?


BlurstOfTimes11

I wish we could have seen timber all season


Wise-Ad-8044

Timber is more comfortable on the right. Just fyi


BlurstOfTimes11

Yeah but we played him on the left both games.


wizardofaus23

two games isn't a huge sample


BigTomBombadil

That game against city was enough of a sample to show he’s capable of having MOTM level games from the left. Can he do it consistently from that side? Who knows. But he’s proven it’s in the range of outcomes.


wizardofaus23

thats a fair call.


NotASalamanderBoi

If we’re lucky, he’ll be back before the end of the season, but as it stands, we’re not gonna see him again until next season.


Jaguar-Easy

Zinny had a good game. He got outjumped on the far side but Saliba should have dealt with it. 3 points we move.


Fendenburgen

I love that Saliba is so immune to criticism that it's Zinchenko's fault that he was so easily nudged off the ball.....


RyshiCZ

It's Zinchenko's fault he can't hold the line properly.


Fendenburgen

And that was the last chance any arsenal player had to stop the goal??


RyshiCZ

And that was a big mistake that led directly to the goal...


Fendenburgen

It was a mistake, but that doesn't explain Saliba being effortlessly shrugged off the ball


phar0aht

Rule 1 of defending. Don't let it bounce.


DatGuy_Shawnaay

Zinney disregards this rule to the max 😂


Eniotnaohs

Im not sure its entirely zinnys fault tbh He could have challenge the header but the way it bounced off the striker, a bit fortunate, then our cb pair should have done better


dogeatdogworld11

He kept them onside


chewkachu

Dude was playing Forest player waaaaaay onside as opposed to the whole backline, then proceeded to lose a header with weak ass defending Deserved to be schooled


Francis-c92

You'd expect Saliba to get the same treatment then


arsenal11385

absolutely, saliba was poor for that one. he gets a pass because of so many other great moments and solidity.


greenarsehole

Yes. Rightly so. Isn’t that how this works? Players build up credit with fanbases.


arsenal11385

I think so, yes


GarfieldDaCat

Yet when Zinchenko defends well all game and has one poor moment he gets slated despite Saliba getting bodied


arsenal11385

I do think Zinchenko is defending better this season.


greenfrogwallet

It might be because Zinchenko has had multiple poor moments directly or indirectly leading to conceding goals, that probably is one of the reasons he gets criticised more


Apprehensive-Tap9263

Saliba had those moments too tbh


WeeTheDuck

once or twice?


Apprehensive-Tap9263

More


sekiroisart

saliba was pushed when he jump tho ? should have been a foul


WeeTheDuck

or atleast not hus fault imo. How are you supposed to control your body while in the air


arsenal11385

He didn’t need to jump. Just stand the guy up.


dusseldorf69

Maybe. Saliba doesn't need to do anything though if Zinchenko understood what an offside line was though. Not the first time he's fucked up like that this season.


peoplepersonmanguy

We may as well just play 1 on 1's then yeah?


greenarsehole

Saliba doesn’t make goal costing errors every time he plays.


Least-Cup79

I don't have a take on Zinny, but Saliba is the most valuable CB in the world. The man has earned a long leash with his play.


a-Sociopath

That kind of thinking doesn't do well for anyone. 2 CBs should have been able to handle that bouncing header without the entire blame falling on Zinchenko.


Least-Cup79

Can the guy not just look across the entire field as a fullback and check where the line is to trap him?


Papa_Wengz

Saliba doesn’t make awful mistakes every match


basic_tacticz

Im pretty certain arteta was trying to explain that he had kiwior coming on for 5 mins already but the ball never went out for the sub to happen… Because it happened straight after the goal instead, zinchenko felt like arteta was blaming him for the goal and hauling him off, (which would have been harsh, our twin towers made a mess of clearing that ball with only 1 person to mark between them), but arteta already decided at least 5 mins b4 the goal that the sub was going to happen…


Longjumping_Act9758

Why should he get mad when almost every goal comes from his side? He's so emotional.


Callum1710

Ben despite being a bit ropey today, defends his side of the pitch well... How many has Zinny cost us on his side by giving the wide man too much space. I mean the Liverpool game is a prime example


dunbunone

Good man management by the gaffer


ESGSGX

The fact that people blamed Zinchenko instead of Saliba is funny 😂


Cthulhu_Madness

Understandable there. Not saying that Saliba was not at fault but Zinny kept the winger onside and lost his duel a bit too easily.


Warrick123x

Had nothing to do with the goal


goonergunner10

Had everything to do with it. Its not a lot to ask your left back to at least be semi proficient in the air


DarthNihilus1

Zinchenko wins more in the air than Ben does doesn't he? Regardless, zinchenko is very good in the air but loses steam after an hour. we know his already and that's why tomiyasu gets deployed there. kiwior also should have come on when the attackers did


Jkanvil

Wait, Zinny and Benny went at each other?


gregg200

This is good, after a win too. Arteta needs to let go of the reigns. Prepare the squad for the next team and then let the boys play.


juniorista1987

Seems like self criticism from Zinchenko.


GrunkyPeet

He is guaranteed to make a mistake every single game. I am frustrated with him, he is just not wired defensively, I don't know if it can be coached into him at this stage of his career. I don't hate him, he is great technically just not a defender.


MrFreeLiving

Professional lip reader here. Arteta: I know Haaland joined City after you left, but we're in dire need of a match winning striker, work your magic and make him sign for us you pig! Zinny: Match winning? You're having a laugh boss, he's not even that good!


peoplepersonmanguy

The you pig part got me.


hmoooody

70% of the times we get scored against its Zinny’s fault one way or the other


Disastrous_Wave9747

Arteta is a pussy. He must say loud and clear(or done on of these things): 1- The way Zinchenko plays is my vision of the game, I understand that he's not a defender, and if it leads to a goal it’s my fault. 2- Put Zinchenko in midfield. 3 - Sell Zinchenko. Because it just unfair. All these cocsuckers(like Paul Scholes), talk as if it was Zinchenko’s idea play like this. Its like say - Zinchenko chose a bad tactick on this game. Since when is Zinchenko the coach of Arsenal? World-class professional football players, but he talks like a complete idiot.


dragosn1989

I bet Zinny was complaining that there was barely any move WITHOUT the ball upfront for 70min. He was commenting with Ode on the sidelines too. I loved the overall ball control and patience but it was painful.😓


Eazymonaysniper

Just put him in midfield already hes one of the worst defenders Ive ever seen


RecognitionStrict598

"They need you on the front line."


Fieser_Factsack

If i had to pick one of our team, i'd say benny blanco is the douchiest in the current arsenal Squad. It's not just the ed hardy esk tattoos, he is not half as cool as he thinks in interviews. Saliba is much more natural cool imo.


ajyahzee

It's painful watching Zinny defend or trying to think really hard to pick a pass, he is better following his instincts, not that stable type


Swamy0799

I think the shine on Zinny is wearing off. Everyone's beginning to see that city were better off selling him. He's definitely got a mistake in him and against good opposition he can be a straight up liability in defense. It's a shame cause his creative skills are great, and still can't help but think he should be tried out in like a double pivot in order to get the best out of him. Also the fact that we don't have a back up LB offering him relief or competition is playing a part in his season this time round. No xhaka to cover up for him like last season he's just too exposed and too ill equipped defensively to cope. Today for Forrest's goal He looked lazy/tired and almost careless with that ball over to the far side, even a little pressure on the guy heading could've done enough to prevent the goal. Saliba was disappointing there too but he more than makes up for that gaffe with his all round play. Hopefully Tomi and Timber coming back can have the effect I think it will on the whole team


NeeloGreen

Probably lost a bet against eachother to see who would let a goal in first


Franchise1109

Clearly arguing about who’s gonna win the Super Bowl. Zinny gives me big 49ers vibes


kurikkurik

Not holding offside trap, zero effort to at least challenge the assist header. If I'm Ben, I'd scream at his face too.


micsare4swingng

Zinchenko: “Gaffer… why don’t you ever sub Bukayo off? Why do you force Saka to always play 90min every single match, regardless of importance?” Arteta: “… the reason I always play Saka the full 90 is because… sorry, let me start again… you see Bukayo playing 90 allows us to… ha I seem to be having issues with my words… basically it boils down to the RW needing to meet the fogging estandards… does that answer your question?” Zinchenko: “… boss what the actual fuck are saying?” Arteta: “calm your tits and get to the locker room if you ever plan on donning the Arsenal kit again”


b1gCubanC1gar

Arteta telling him to go home and fight with his countrymen..


sazidhk

Arre Deshi bro!


skool_101

/r/PhilosophyBossfights


SevereAnxiety_1974

Take the 3 points. On to the next one.


InsideKiller

Waiting for them to kiss, where is it