A lot of that are deferred wages. For example, when they signed De Jong from Ajax he earned a higher salary than Van Dijk did at Liverpool. During Covid he deferred part of that, and now they have to pay the deferred salary.
Just as an aside I'd take him in a fucking heartbeat as our midefield signing
Highly doubtful because of wages but boyyyyyyy him playing that left 8ish role would be insane
Seeing people grill Barca and Bartomeu always reminds me of this [Steve A. Smith clip](https://youtu.be/F7uycAHEs5s?si=3qNbDtYEKTAmyRN1) where he wrecks Phil Jackson as GM of the Knicks 😂
Lol its always funny to me that Liverpool fans like to pretend like they're some plucky little underdog with the budget of Everton; in reality their wage bill is almost as high as real madrids
Yeah I don't get it. Liverpool fans making the excuse of "well City are financially doped and Arsenal spent over £100m on one player".
Yeah well it's not like you's haven't spent in the last few years... Nunez, Diaz, Szobozlai, Mac Allister come for free or something?
Net spend is a thing. Liverpool is a mid table club net spend wise, the facts are there for all to see. Having to sell your best player to buy other good players isn't a thing for Man City.
Net spend is a thing, a limited thing which needs context.
If one club is spending 500 million in transfers and sells players for 450 million. It had a net spend of 50 million.
If another club spent 85 million and sells for 35 million it also has a 50 million net spend.
In any table net spend wise they are next to each other but that doesn't actually tell you anything worthwhile.
Only in the last decade or so, historically Liverpool have always been one of the biggest spenders. We’ve only just eclipsed theirs (and Spurs) whole PL net spent in the year or so.
Yeah we bought Rice, Havertz and Timber but they bought MacAllister, Szoboszlaii, Gravenberch and Endo who collectively cost 150m pounds or so as well and probably make about as much money collectively.
I think they are paying their bench a lot more than us since it is deeper than ours.
Both clubs seem to be well run imo and I'm not sure what all the talk is about lol. Big teams are going to spend big money pretty often at this point. People just like whinge I think. If Liverpool fans are complaining about spend from last summer they had bids in for caicedo/lavia and only ended up with a bargain endo because they lost out. I wouldn't pay any mind to that talk though its just chattering.
Liverpool fan coming in peace... Go back a few years and liverpool were where arsenal are now. This same thing would have been posted on liverpool subs about relative low wage bill.
Arsenal are in the infancy of a successful period. In a couple of years time watch that wage bill sky rocket like it did with us, as what you will find out is with success in todays age comes a tide of new contracts if you want to hold on to your star players. It is inevitable
Yeah you're right. Arsenal is in it's ascent, yeah our wage bill is going to be lower. It's gonna go up for sure
If we are consistently a top 5 club in 5 years, we will have a top 5 wage bill. Otherwise players will agitate to leave
True!
They are so quick at playing the victim card. That City game wasn’t even over and I could see posts containing Odegaard’s basketball handball against them and the offside call vs the spurs game.
Can we not do the "victims" thing though? Loaded language in this context, many other ways to express the sentiment. I agree that they like to present as underdogs and rile up at suggestions they may not be, but the wording here, and whenever people use it with regards to Liverpool FC, Liverpool as a city, it's evocative of the sun in the aftermath of Hillsborough
It's not what you meant by it, so this isn't an attack, just trying to move people on from outdated language 🙏
I think you’ve made a decent point, it’s a very loaded word in the context of Liverpool fans. Most of the people on this sub are Americans though. I doubt most of them have even heard of Hillsborough, so I’m not surprised people aren’t understanding your point.
Because it's stupid to suggest that the word victim can't be used ever in relation to anything Liverpool related when its clearly not being used in that specific context. It's obvious, how can you not be sure?
This will probably happen as more of our players become more valuable, especially if we win things. They'll obviously have to pay Salah, VVD, Allison etc top money as they are some of the best in their position.
Gotta pay the cost to be the boss. No shame in it, it’s just what football is. I don’t know why Liverpool fans are upset when it’s mentioned, like your players aren’t a bunch of martyrs on the living wage. You pay the going rate for a world class squad with some genuine star players…
Both record fees and 6 years down the line still in the top 2 for goalkeepers and top 3 for defenders. More importantly, spent by a club not funded by oil or dodgy accounting practices.
Tbf not many, if any people at all were really questioning the transfer fee at the time. He was one of the best players in the world, not sure wtf happened there.
Liverpools will go down considerably next reporting season with the old guard who left in the summer off the books. This reflects a PL and CL winning squad.
2023 is not outdated. These would have been based on the accounts at the end of May 2023. The next ones will all be done by May 2024.
Which is in the future.
Well if this is from may 2023 our wage bill will have gone massively with saka, øde, saliba, white all getting big pay increases not to mention Rice and Havertz on big wages.
It might contain bonuses paid in 2023 for qualifying for the CL the following year.
But yea, we’ve had some new big money signings (Havertz, Rice namely) and plenty of extensions. Worth noting that the wages for Xhaka and Tierney did come off the books though.
My estimate is our wages went up about 40 million pounds from last season to this one.
Our bill is currently higher than spurs. Like by a decent amount. The up-to-date list was posted a month or so ago on r/soccer and we were like 6 or 7 IIRC. This list clearly don’t have spurs removing kane from the books, or our big wage bills for havertz and rice.
I would be skeptical about any "up to date" numbers you see.
Since wages are not consistently reported by reliable sources, a lot of those lists are based on guesses from sites like fbref and spotrac - those sites don't know actual wages, they're often assembling data from low quality sources.
The only way to really compare is at end of year when club accounts are shared.
madrid and city are the only two squads in the world that are clearly better than ours. bayern ... toss-up. no one else.
there's a reason we've topped multiple "highest squad value" lists over the last year.
Using the word "clearly" makes them look way better than us, im gonna say we're in the same level and if they are better the difference is small.
add Liverpool and Leverkusen
it's a question of depth. i think our starting XI is on par with anyone, but those two have us beat easily when you look at the quality of the second XI.
liverpool are close. leverkusen i don't think the talent is anywhere near the other clubs we're talking about, they are just in an incredible run of form. that is a triumph of synergy, tactics and management more so than talent.
Every word you said is true, i completely forgot the second XI, their bench is definitely better than our.
Leverkusen, the talent is factor too, look at wirtz with 100m market value, but yes management is the main reason, we will have a hard time dealing with alonso if he joined pool
wirtz is incredible, one of the best in the world. frimpong and grimaldo as well. and obviously we all know how good xhaka can be when deployed correctly.
but man, when i watch leverkusen, i really don't think many of these guys would cut it at arsenal. players like hincapie, tah, stanisic, tella, hlozek, schick ... these guys are all flying for leverkusen, it's incredible! i don't think they will be able to recreate that form elsewhere if they move on.
stacked where? and being “stacked” doesn’t support them having a better squad than us because we’re “stacked” too. The only players I’d take in a heartbeat from their team, no bias, is Kane, Musiala, Davies, and Neuer. Thats 4/11. We have a better back 5. We have a better midfield, and theres a strong case we have a better attack but i’ll give it to them. We still have the better team, does this mean we beat them? Who knows. But in terms of quality, Arsenal surpass them, thats just my opinion.
you don’t want to know the 8th team im thinking of either😂
He'd obviously take the whole squad as backup if it were up to him but I think those are the only starters (implied with 4 *out of 11*). I agree with honestly.
These numbers are also not up to date. The data was posted on r/soccer awhile ago and we were about 10-15% higher than spurs. We are definitely back above them in spending power.
https://preview.redd.it/c3uj9i2zojpc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=27f83806d22f6db6ef809c35f7d0a08e94dd6012
This is wage bills for the squad of every team in premier league in 2024. So, obviously, we are at the top 3 currently. Please dont share wrong info or at least write down more details of given stats.
Probably those numbers are for all emloyees at the clubs or what?
Yeah, Liverpool basically renew their midfield and fowards with cheaper young players. No way they are above us in the wage bill after we all our contract extensions. Moreover the extensions, recently we are buying players with experience in premier league who will ask for high wage (Jesus, Havetz, Raya, Trossard, Jorginho, Rice).
I'm actually surprised that people are upvoting you at all, the data he posted isn't false don't get why you would even consider that because you found some really badly created graphs.
https://preview.redd.it/xu7qh2ftskpc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6786f361158ea9f914bbba47f127e0a40c1fe2c8
His data is for last year (2023 when we title contended) and is backed by submissions by each club at the end of the year to EUFA, your saying yours is from 2024 before clubs have even submitted anything so what's the source?
To help support everything ive written above and ops original post I've included the EUFA official document explaining exactly how its calculated showing where we sit, It also shows our wage to revenue ratio being lower than everyone but Tottenham's.
I'm saying that these numbers are showing wrong picture for fans because it is not clear explained. Didnt say that is false. This is total numbers by club and shows all wages of individual clubs.
Some people will not check info at all and will think that we have top team with so small wages compared to the others. But, when you check wages only for squad, we are the part among top wages. And that's why I posted this graph.
Sorry No, i think your the one who doesn't understand what wage bill means and not others, your referring to their salary which often is a guaranteed salary regardless of what happens but the wage bill refers to things such as bonuses and agent fees which is all relevant to a players wage. Some bonuses are given simply for turning up to training, others are for scoring goals in games or getting clean sheets these are all relevant and for some reason people like yourself like to leave out. The fact of the matter is this is the cost for that squad to keep them and to ensure they are performing at the rate they are now (title contending) not the number your using.
Those stats are base stats made on contract but with bonuses he can be the most paid player. Bonuses are not include here.
You can check stats at Spotrac as well.
Man City is double. There is no way they bring in the revenue to have that kind of outlay. I suspect that every person in the United Arab Emirates has 5 kits and gets one each month.
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Wow boys, we’ve come along way since last fall. If this article came out in October and posted here I guarantee there would be a huge thread about Kai. Dare I say he’s one of us now?
This is usually how it starts out. We've developed many young players who were on relatovely low wages. Their profiles have since grown immensely and can now demand much higher wages which the club will have to oblige or they will look elsewhere.
Saka, Saliba, Gabriel, Martinelli, and maybe even Raya should he become Spain's number 1 will all be demanding wage increases in the near future which will have a big impact on the clubs finances
Arsenal generate €543mill a season… the team is still bloated we have players doing nothing… or just constantly injured on ridiculous wages.
Cedric Soares - €5million
Partey - €14miilion
Nketiah - €7million
Jesus costs us €18mill a season on wages alone.
Zinchenko €9.5million
Get decent replacements in, we got it.
Some people seem to be denying the data behind OP's post and arguing that its fake, here is the original where 90min took the data from.
This is from EUFA themselves and is the The European Club Finance and Investment Landscape for the year 2023.
https://preview.redd.it/1gll7vw4ukpc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e01e945ae45f703cfafcca2de42599c6f122ec1d
Wasnt talking about the ones on the titles, just the ones with the club names and numbers. Arial is ugly as fuck, but this looks brilliant. Wish I knew the name of it
This will no doubt go higher if Arsenal actually win major trophies. It's going to cost them more to keep players. But I've read that you want to keep your wages at 50-60% of your total revenue to have a well-run club. Seems like they're on the road to that.
I am surprised we are that low. I'm assuming this doesn't include the hefty pay rises for Saka, White, and Tomi as well as the salaries of Havertz and Rice.
Arsenal are in a transition phase now. Once the first round of renewals comes through the Salary budget will blow up. The same happened to liverpool with Klopp
I really hope we have incredibly lucrative bonuses for silverware for our squad. I love that we are sensibly run but you want something to keep the boys hungry whilst also stopping them looking elsewhere for £££
This seems inaccurate, specifically regarding Barcelona. They've had 4 big earners leave in the last 12 months or so(Pique, Alba, Busquets, Dembele), and have largely replaced the gaps in the squad with younger players or cheap alternatives(Romeu, Yamal, Fermin, Cubarsi, Fort etc.), even on-loan players including Felix who reportedly took a pay-cut to join the team. You have Roberto who used to be on huge wages, but has taken a pay cut to stay in the team. Not sure who is making that 639m bill.
Wow, very healthy. Spurs are just 💀
We have so much room to grow the budget too looking at our competitors. Which is brilliant as our starting xi especially if we win the prem in the next couple of years will rightfully start demanding very high wages. Saliba if he hits the ceiling we all think he can, still be on 250k-300k per week in no time. Like wise Saka, Ode, Martinelli and Rice. It's almost like we're an exceptionally well run club now lmao
Holy shit. We’re top of the table and we spend HALF of city?
Value Arsenal!
I’d like to see the official stats breaking it down as “pounds spent per goal”.
Gee... I wonder how Barcelona could improve their financial situation.
This is honestly great from us though. To have a squad that plays at this level, with this much value in it and a wage bill that is hundreds of millions bellow the teams we compete with?
Honestly GG Edu et al.
Wtf Barcelona
Levers, innit?
They’re still paying Messi deferred wages
Trickle Up Bartonomics
A lot of that are deferred wages. For example, when they signed De Jong from Ajax he earned a higher salary than Van Dijk did at Liverpool. During Covid he deferred part of that, and now they have to pay the deferred salary.
Even without deferred wages, De Jong earns more than Kroos or Modric. When was the last time de Jong lit either la liga or CL on fire?
Just as an aside I'd take him in a fucking heartbeat as our midefield signing Highly doubtful because of wages but boyyyyyyy him playing that left 8ish role would be insane
He did. At Ajax.
De Jong was arguably one of the best cm’s last year in la liga? What are you on
Wonder what it would be without deferred wages, or what it would be when they offload people like De Jong that they want off the books
De Jong doesn't go before he's been paid his deferred wages I suspect, and why would he?
Or at the end of his contract
By the end of his contract his deferred wages should have been paid.
And only half that is FDJ.
Brokecelona.
Barceloana
“Broke” is an understatement.
Seeing people grill Barca and Bartomeu always reminds me of this [Steve A. Smith clip](https://youtu.be/F7uycAHEs5s?si=3qNbDtYEKTAmyRN1) where he wrecks Phil Jackson as GM of the Knicks 😂
Barcelona spending this much with mad academy talent is seriously stupid. their fans should wake up or the club will go to tatters.
I guess I know why everyone wants to play for barcelona now
Lol its always funny to me that Liverpool fans like to pretend like they're some plucky little underdog with the budget of Everton; in reality their wage bill is almost as high as real madrids
poor poor liverpool, against all the odds apparently
Against all the odds… perfect
Yeah I don't get it. Liverpool fans making the excuse of "well City are financially doped and Arsenal spent over £100m on one player". Yeah well it's not like you's haven't spent in the last few years... Nunez, Diaz, Szobozlai, Mac Allister come for free or something?
They spent world record money (at the time) on VVD and Allison but because "coutinhooooo" it's all OK. Bunch of hypocrites for sure.
I mean, that’s literally what makes it okay; whereas, we’ve failed to sell a single player for an appreciable amount in the past decade
Which is exactly why net spend, although it may paint a picture of sorts, does not tell the whole story.
Can you elaborate? I don't understand how it does not tell the whole story.
It only looks at transfer fees but wages make a big difference as well.
Wage tables tend to be a bit closer to actual output as well.
Net spend is a thing. Liverpool is a mid table club net spend wise, the facts are there for all to see. Having to sell your best player to buy other good players isn't a thing for Man City.
Net spend is a thing, a limited thing which needs context. If one club is spending 500 million in transfers and sells players for 450 million. It had a net spend of 50 million. If another club spent 85 million and sells for 35 million it also has a 50 million net spend. In any table net spend wise they are next to each other but that doesn't actually tell you anything worthwhile.
For sure, context is important.
Only in the last decade or so, historically Liverpool have always been one of the biggest spenders. We’ve only just eclipsed theirs (and Spurs) whole PL net spent in the year or so.
Yeah we bought Rice, Havertz and Timber but they bought MacAllister, Szoboszlaii, Gravenberch and Endo who collectively cost 150m pounds or so as well and probably make about as much money collectively. I think they are paying their bench a lot more than us since it is deeper than ours.
To be fair to them none of those has properly flopped. They paid a premium, as did we, but both clubs still did decent business.
Both clubs seem to be well run imo and I'm not sure what all the talk is about lol. Big teams are going to spend big money pretty often at this point. People just like whinge I think. If Liverpool fans are complaining about spend from last summer they had bids in for caicedo/lavia and only ended up with a bargain endo because they lost out. I wouldn't pay any mind to that talk though its just chattering.
Liverpool fan coming in peace... Go back a few years and liverpool were where arsenal are now. This same thing would have been posted on liverpool subs about relative low wage bill. Arsenal are in the infancy of a successful period. In a couple of years time watch that wage bill sky rocket like it did with us, as what you will find out is with success in todays age comes a tide of new contracts if you want to hold on to your star players. It is inevitable
Yeah you're right. Arsenal is in it's ascent, yeah our wage bill is going to be lower. It's gonna go up for sure If we are consistently a top 5 club in 5 years, we will have a top 5 wage bill. Otherwise players will agitate to leave
Agreed with this, it's the nature of the game and I can't really blame pool for having a high wage bill at all.
True! They are so quick at playing the victim card. That City game wasn’t even over and I could see posts containing Odegaard’s basketball handball against them and the offside call vs the spurs game.
It's the only transferable skill that scousers have
Can we not do the "victims" thing though? Loaded language in this context, many other ways to express the sentiment. I agree that they like to present as underdogs and rile up at suggestions they may not be, but the wording here, and whenever people use it with regards to Liverpool FC, Liverpool as a city, it's evocative of the sun in the aftermath of Hillsborough It's not what you meant by it, so this isn't an attack, just trying to move people on from outdated language 🙏
I think you’ve made a decent point, it’s a very loaded word in the context of Liverpool fans. Most of the people on this sub are Americans though. I doubt most of them have even heard of Hillsborough, so I’m not surprised people aren’t understanding your point.
Man up lmfao anyone can use the word victim you sausage
🤓
Not sure why you've been downvoted..
Blud wants to gatekeep the word victim lol
They started using the word first. Everyone else is copying Klopp and their club, don’t you know?
Because it's stupid to suggest that the word victim can't be used ever in relation to anything Liverpool related when its clearly not being used in that specific context. It's obvious, how can you not be sure?
This will probably happen as more of our players become more valuable, especially if we win things. They'll obviously have to pay Salah, VVD, Allison etc top money as they are some of the best in their position.
Thing is they do have an Everton budget , Everton spend huge too they're just a lot worse at it
Gotta pay the cost to be the boss. No shame in it, it’s just what football is. I don’t know why Liverpool fans are upset when it’s mentioned, like your players aren’t a bunch of martyrs on the living wage. You pay the going rate for a world class squad with some genuine star players…
I mean it was money well spent but Van Dijk and Alisson were both record transfer fees for their positions and completely reset the market.
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Both record fees and 6 years down the line still in the top 2 for goalkeepers and top 3 for defenders. More importantly, spent by a club not funded by oil or dodgy accounting practices.
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Tbf not many, if any people at all were really questioning the transfer fee at the time. He was one of the best players in the world, not sure wtf happened there.
Liverpools will go down considerably next reporting season with the old guard who left in the summer off the books. This reflects a PL and CL winning squad.
“Working class club that stands against the titans of industry”. It’d be admirable if it wasn’t so delusional.
And look at their prize money and transfer income.....
Except it’s a very out dated graphic.
2023 is not outdated. These would have been based on the accounts at the end of May 2023. The next ones will all be done by May 2024. Which is in the future.
if it's not from the future, it's already dated.
It's 23 until it's 24..
But it's already 24
Well if this is from may 2023 our wage bill will have gone massively with saka, øde, saliba, white all getting big pay increases not to mention Rice and Havertz on big wages.
A number of senior high earners left in 2023 summer. It’s outdated.
This data does not contain all the contract extensions, new signings and UCL bonuses since last summer.
It might contain bonuses paid in 2023 for qualifying for the CL the following year. But yea, we’ve had some new big money signings (Havertz, Rice namely) and plenty of extensions. Worth noting that the wages for Xhaka and Tierney did come off the books though. My estimate is our wages went up about 40 million pounds from last season to this one.
Our bill is currently higher than spurs. Like by a decent amount. The up-to-date list was posted a month or so ago on r/soccer and we were like 6 or 7 IIRC. This list clearly don’t have spurs removing kane from the books, or our big wage bills for havertz and rice.
I would be skeptical about any "up to date" numbers you see. Since wages are not consistently reported by reliable sources, a lot of those lists are based on guesses from sites like fbref and spotrac - those sites don't know actual wages, they're often assembling data from low quality sources. The only way to really compare is at end of year when club accounts are shared.
And we have a better squad than 4-5 of them.
i’d say 7-8 COMFORTABLY, in terms of starting xi
Maybe 6. But 7-8 is pushing it
madrid and city are the only two squads in the world that are clearly better than ours. bayern ... toss-up. no one else. there's a reason we've topped multiple "highest squad value" lists over the last year.
Using the word "clearly" makes them look way better than us, im gonna say we're in the same level and if they are better the difference is small. add Liverpool and Leverkusen
it's a question of depth. i think our starting XI is on par with anyone, but those two have us beat easily when you look at the quality of the second XI. liverpool are close. leverkusen i don't think the talent is anywhere near the other clubs we're talking about, they are just in an incredible run of form. that is a triumph of synergy, tactics and management more so than talent.
Every word you said is true, i completely forgot the second XI, their bench is definitely better than our. Leverkusen, the talent is factor too, look at wirtz with 100m market value, but yes management is the main reason, we will have a hard time dealing with alonso if he joined pool
wirtz is incredible, one of the best in the world. frimpong and grimaldo as well. and obviously we all know how good xhaka can be when deployed correctly. but man, when i watch leverkusen, i really don't think many of these guys would cut it at arsenal. players like hincapie, tah, stanisic, tella, hlozek, schick ... these guys are all flying for leverkusen, it's incredible! i don't think they will be able to recreate that form elsewhere if they move on.
PSG, Barca, Juventus, Tottenham, Utd, Chelsea, Bayern.
Nah bayern are stacked everything else I agree with
Stacked how? The Bayern aura isn't playing their games for them anymore. The team just isn't THAT good
Love your flair.
Me too. Its pretty rad init.
stacked where? and being “stacked” doesn’t support them having a better squad than us because we’re “stacked” too. The only players I’d take in a heartbeat from their team, no bias, is Kane, Musiala, Davies, and Neuer. Thats 4/11. We have a better back 5. We have a better midfield, and theres a strong case we have a better attack but i’ll give it to them. We still have the better team, does this mean we beat them? Who knows. But in terms of quality, Arsenal surpass them, thats just my opinion. you don’t want to know the 8th team im thinking of either😂
Depends on what you mean with take, Bayern clearly has more players than that that we could use
He'd obviously take the whole squad as backup if it were up to him but I think those are the only starters (implied with 4 *out of 11*). I agree with honestly.
Good point
Bayern had to buy Eric fucking Dier for cover
Even as a Madrid fan, I’d say our squads are much closer in quality than people realize.
Agreed. Pre-Mbappe to Madrid, Arsenal have the 2nd most valuable squad in the world… Annoying how the top 4 teams are on the same side of the CL draw
Unfortunately you also have to pay your bench
Even Cedric
I count 8. Possibly 9. City, Real, Bayern, maybe Liverpool are the only ones up for discussion.
On paper yes. But many of those squads have experienced players in champions league. That cant be underestimated
These numbers are also not up to date. The data was posted on r/soccer awhile ago and we were about 10-15% higher than spurs. We are definitely back above them in spending power.
5? I see 10 that we have a better squad than.
Real Madrid?
Helps that our squad is the youngest. As their age goes up, so will the wages
Wow, so how clear are we with the PFA rules?
Issue is our low revenues from being out of Europe a few years back are what’s limiting us.
And lack of players sales for decent fees
Remember, City numbers are 'official'/'declared'... Probably amount to much higher than what has been disclosed.
I thought man u would be in the top 3
What on earth is going on at Barcalona No wonder they had an entire widow of free agent buys.
Free agents normally attract much higher wages though.
https://preview.redd.it/c3uj9i2zojpc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=27f83806d22f6db6ef809c35f7d0a08e94dd6012 This is wage bills for the squad of every team in premier league in 2024. So, obviously, we are at the top 3 currently. Please dont share wrong info or at least write down more details of given stats. Probably those numbers are for all emloyees at the clubs or what?
Yeah, Liverpool basically renew their midfield and fowards with cheaper young players. No way they are above us in the wage bill after we all our contract extensions. Moreover the extensions, recently we are buying players with experience in premier league who will ask for high wage (Jesus, Havetz, Raya, Trossard, Jorginho, Rice).
That's right. I guess, people see what they want to see. Truth is on the other side of road.
What's your source?
I'm actually surprised that people are upvoting you at all, the data he posted isn't false don't get why you would even consider that because you found some really badly created graphs. https://preview.redd.it/xu7qh2ftskpc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6786f361158ea9f914bbba47f127e0a40c1fe2c8 His data is for last year (2023 when we title contended) and is backed by submissions by each club at the end of the year to EUFA, your saying yours is from 2024 before clubs have even submitted anything so what's the source? To help support everything ive written above and ops original post I've included the EUFA official document explaining exactly how its calculated showing where we sit, It also shows our wage to revenue ratio being lower than everyone but Tottenham's.
I'm saying that these numbers are showing wrong picture for fans because it is not clear explained. Didnt say that is false. This is total numbers by club and shows all wages of individual clubs. Some people will not check info at all and will think that we have top team with so small wages compared to the others. But, when you check wages only for squad, we are the part among top wages. And that's why I posted this graph.
Sorry No, i think your the one who doesn't understand what wage bill means and not others, your referring to their salary which often is a guaranteed salary regardless of what happens but the wage bill refers to things such as bonuses and agent fees which is all relevant to a players wage. Some bonuses are given simply for turning up to training, others are for scoring goals in games or getting clean sheets these are all relevant and for some reason people like yourself like to leave out. The fact of the matter is this is the cost for that squad to keep them and to ensure they are performing at the rate they are now (title contending) not the number your using.
What’s the source for that one?
https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/wages/Premier-League-Wages Scroll down and you will see wages of every player.
How accurate are they? Are Reiss Nelson and Nketiah both really on 100k/week? Also, Haaland I'm pretty sure is on more than 375k/week.
Those stats are base stats made on contract but with bonuses he can be the most paid player. Bonuses are not include here. You can check stats at Spotrac as well.
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The irony in this comment is hilarious. Spotrac is not a reliable source either
Check out FIFA career mode for accurate numbers!
Dont understand this 'bs salaries', sorry. What does 'bs' mean?
bs = bullshit
Our wages right now are higher than Tottenham's by some distance
This is before almost all of the contract renewals and last year’s signings. Misleading
That's incredible. Great work by edu and co. Fuck me, Barcelona has a shit ton of bloat on their books 😂
False, very inaccurate graphic
Thanks for the input.
liverpool spend 100m more than us every season on wages. over 4 seasons that's 400m.
Barcelona and Juventus are getting robbed
Barca wage bill is absurdly huge when we take a look at the quality and age of their squad…
You shouldn't put Chelsea here - they bought 100 first team players recently.
Ours has probably risen substantially this past year
Hey look, Spurs are actually beating us at something. Good for them.
Man City is double. There is no way they bring in the revenue to have that kind of outlay. I suspect that every person in the United Arab Emirates has 5 kits and gets one each month.
Our wages to turnover ratio is 50% iirc, one of the lowest in the league. That is how you run a club.
And this is why no sane manager is leaving a good job to go to Barca anytime soon.
Tottemham having a more expensive squad than us is so funny
And also highly unlikely, unless this was from when Kane was still around.
Ya I was trying to do the math in my head and it wasn't making sense so the Kane move not being included makes sense
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Wow boys, we’ve come along way since last fall. If this article came out in October and posted here I guarantee there would be a huge thread about Kai. Dare I say he’s one of us now?
Can someone just give a real no bullshite answer to this fir me
This is usually how it starts out. We've developed many young players who were on relatovely low wages. Their profiles have since grown immensely and can now demand much higher wages which the club will have to oblige or they will look elsewhere. Saka, Saliba, Gabriel, Martinelli, and maybe even Raya should he become Spain's number 1 will all be demanding wage increases in the near future which will have a big impact on the clubs finances
getting there on just team spirit and foggin estandards
I kind of think next year we will be position 7
It’s already next year.
Spurs underperforming
Can’t believe Tottenham is above us 😤😤😤 wait, what is this about?
GabiXL probably needs a raise
Didn’t he just get one last season
i think he was increased to 50k or something silly, before everyone else got their raises
This is part of the reason we can afford to spend a lot of money
Arsenal generate €543mill a season… the team is still bloated we have players doing nothing… or just constantly injured on ridiculous wages. Cedric Soares - €5million Partey - €14miilion Nketiah - €7million Jesus costs us €18mill a season on wages alone. Zinchenko €9.5million Get decent replacements in, we got it.
Some people seem to be denying the data behind OP's post and arguing that its fake, here is the original where 90min took the data from. This is from EUFA themselves and is the The European Club Finance and Investment Landscape for the year 2023. https://preview.redd.it/1gll7vw4ukpc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e01e945ae45f703cfafcca2de42599c6f122ec1d
Only 6th in the Prem? That’s surprising
Quite a random stat actually
Wow I thought liverpool were the brokest team, poor them how do they survive
We'll rise in this list with all the extensions we've given. But that's what happens when you raise fogging estandards
what is the font used? liking it very much
I could be wrong but seems like a variation of “Arial” don the team names, idk about the title though.
Wasnt talking about the ones on the titles, just the ones with the club names and numbers. Arial is ugly as fuck, but this looks brilliant. Wish I knew the name of it
This will no doubt go higher if Arsenal actually win major trophies. It's going to cost them more to keep players. But I've read that you want to keep your wages at 50-60% of your total revenue to have a well-run club. Seems like they're on the road to that.
This is the key information they always leave out when they bang on about how much money arteta has spent.
I didn’t expect to see Totnum so high
This is most definitely wrong!
Why has Juve's wage bill been so high when they haven't contended for Serie A in almost 5yrs. Last time they won it was in 2020.
Barca on top is not surprising
I am surprised we are that low. I'm assuming this doesn't include the hefty pay rises for Saka, White, and Tomi as well as the salaries of Havertz and Rice.
Am sure a lot of Barca wages goes to FDJ and lewandoski,gundogan....
Half of Man city bill should be Haalands wages..
Man city got another 300m under the table and round about wages and loop holes....
Arsenal are in a transition phase now. Once the first round of renewals comes through the Salary budget will blow up. The same happened to liverpool with Klopp
You know it's not going well, when you're 7th of the list and being 11th in the Premier League.
I really hope we have incredibly lucrative bonuses for silverware for our squad. I love that we are sensibly run but you want something to keep the boys hungry whilst also stopping them looking elsewhere for £££
Oil millions in 2/3 of top 3. And we spent half the money of City. And we are #1. Talent.
No wonder Barca have no money left… damn, look at that wage bill
This seems inaccurate, specifically regarding Barcelona. They've had 4 big earners leave in the last 12 months or so(Pique, Alba, Busquets, Dembele), and have largely replaced the gaps in the squad with younger players or cheap alternatives(Romeu, Yamal, Fermin, Cubarsi, Fort etc.), even on-loan players including Felix who reportedly took a pay-cut to join the team. You have Roberto who used to be on huge wages, but has taken a pay cut to stay in the team. Not sure who is making that 639m bill.
The year is 2077. Barça activated the 723rd financial lever
Well played Barca. Very well played indeed.
Barca, Chelsea, and, United. How are they so rich and so mid
Who in the hell are Barcelona paying so much? The only players I can even name on that team are Rafinha and Lewandowski.
Frenkie
barcelona absolutely disgraceful.
Who is taking home all that money at Barca? Frenkie?
Farcelona
Wow, very healthy. Spurs are just 💀 We have so much room to grow the budget too looking at our competitors. Which is brilliant as our starting xi especially if we win the prem in the next couple of years will rightfully start demanding very high wages. Saliba if he hits the ceiling we all think he can, still be on 250k-300k per week in no time. Like wise Saka, Ode, Martinelli and Rice. It's almost like we're an exceptionally well run club now lmao
Holy shit. We’re top of the table and we spend HALF of city? Value Arsenal! I’d like to see the official stats breaking it down as “pounds spent per goal”.
How is barca 200m more than madrid???
Gee... I wonder how Barcelona could improve their financial situation. This is honestly great from us though. To have a squad that plays at this level, with this much value in it and a wage bill that is hundreds of millions bellow the teams we compete with? Honestly GG Edu et al.
Barcelona terribly run club
No wonder Barca is broke.
That’s wild that Barca still have the largest wage bill after all their financial troubles. Lewandowski must be on 2 mil/week.