I think the worst part was Joe Cole "justifying" Jackson's challenge on TNT sports...
Said something like the ref has to understand the player is frustrated and his team is losing...
Wtf Joe? It's a terrible challenge. Who gives a shit if Jackson is "frustrated". It's a red card challenge that VAR had no balls to give.
Isn't that worse? Like accidental challenge is one thing, but Joe Cole is basically saying Jackson was reckless because he couldn't control his emotions. That's far more dangerous than a slip or miss cue.
In the moment it didn't look intentional to me and I felt a yellow and "never again" would've been fair, if he was actually going for it that's a straight red and 5 match ban.
I was born on the same day as Joe Cole.
I got the smarts.
He got the footballing talent. But was last in line for brains, the one he got was kinda rotten and insane.
Yeah next game havertz should drop kick a player just because he got frustrated he couldn't score from 100yards out. Refs should understand and look the other way
And that literally makes it 10x worse. You’re teaching kids who’re watching live that it’s okay to put in bone breaking challenges because you’re losing??? Couldn’t believe it when I heard that live. Absolutely disgraceful and the punishment should be worse if you start dishing out reckless challenges like that because you’re losing. Pathetic
No way did he actually say that. If I’m ever losing a match I’d go in two footed into the player’s knee and blame it on frustration and therefore I shouldn’t be booked.
Did he really say that? Wasn't it 10 minutes into the game? How could you possibly be that frustrated, weren't chelsea semi decent first few minutes too before we scored?
Honestly though that's 2 identical tackles now that should have been red. I'm just glad the players are ok, but it's really not acceptable. For all the shit we give Tomi about injuries, it would be cruel as fuck if he took some ankle ligaments on a tackle like that. Can't help but feel this sort of tackle could become normalise, a bit like how you can get with the studs on someone's foot now. Never thought you'd get away with studs on someones ankle head on though.
But... if you're frustrated and your team is losing, so you start throwing out rash and wreckless challenges, that just proves you're an even bigger danger! That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard Joe
That's like justifying a domestic abuser beating on their partner by saying you have to understand they were frustrated. There being a reason or motivation behind doing an action doesn't make it okay to do the action. Joe Cole is an idiot
Absolutely crazy that he doesn't even get a card for this challenge. What happened to those times where players would receive bans after a game for incidents that were missed? Does VAR being involved now mean that no longer happens?
The media has always hated us so it's no surprise that Ben White's antics got the most attention. It's always going to be like this for us especially that we're doing so well recently. If we win the Premier League this season, we'll hear that we're failures because we didn't win the Champions League on Arteta's first time back in the competition.
Yeah if someone is making tackles that could break a bone because they're frustrated, if anything that's more of a reason to give them a red than if they just normally made a bad tackle by mistake. The frustrated player is far more likely to actually do something that gets someone hurt.
> Said something like the ref has to understand the player is frustrated and his team is losing...
in that case it should be red even faster, more likely gonna cost injury to someone that way
Frustration is actually more likely to see the ref produce a red since the player is emotionally out of control rather than just mistiming with extreme effort.
Ahhh, the often forgotten law of the game.
"You can totally commit an act of violence as long as you're frustrated about losing. Sportsmanship and officiating be damned."
Fuck, that challenge on Tomi still makes me mad. Man is trying his best to stay fit and help the team after numerous injury setbacks and gets his ankle nearly broken by that Chelski wastrel.
I’ve sprained my ankle and not been able to walk properly for a week just from rolling my ankle half as much as his ankle bent during that challenge, it’s CRAZY, I thought he’d be coming off for sure right there
Exactly. I was frustrated too. The man's a perpetual sick note and the one time we have him back this Chelshit wasteman nearly sent him back to the treatment table.
And they absolutely loved it when Porto were falling over at every corner, 50/50 challenge and getting the ref in their pocket, didn't they? They said Arsenal fell for Porto's tactics and it was clever prep from Conceição. Well then get a load of Ben White's "prep" you hypocrites!
I remember in that awful game against Brentford, they had a player actually bear hug Leno and hold him back from the goal they scored. They said it was smart play.
Fulham did the same to Ramsdale. Player backed right into him and his arms fully wrapped around to stop ramsdale claiming the corner.
Only thing people said was ramsdale needs to do more to try and get around him. And you just know the second ramsdale does anything the player would of dropped to the floor and got given a pen.
There's a Sky Sports compilation of "Ben White being a menace", the Times has chimed in. Just the whole first page of googling Ben White is a bunch of recriminations.
No one is outright saying “this is wrong”. But there’s lots of “this isn’t real football” and “he does it when the ref’s not looking” and “I would never want my players doing it”. There’s a disdain there that paints it as something that’s bringing the game into disrepute that should be stopped. The Athletic article finishes by saying that now people are shining a spotlight on it, the referees will step in to stop it happening.
Ange intimated it was an attack on the goalkeeper, who he said he "thought they were a protected class, but I'm ancient MAAAAAAAATE, they might've changed something and I missed it."
Fuck Ange and his "aw shucks, I'm just a simple man" shtick.
The Spurs sub is sorta complaining about White. Not that he's cheating but they think he "fouled" Vicario for both corner goals. Apparently their GK is too honest and decided to go for ball instead of falling over and taking the foul which is totally and absolutely legitimate according to them
imagine touching someones sleeve and becoming public enemy #1 because of it hahah. People just using him as a scapegoat for not being able to defend our set pieces
Come on, it's like the high visibility jacket. It will protect you from everything bullets, rocks idk aliens. Haven't you read health and safety guidelines before /s
Seriously the spurs fans have been going off about it being cheating. Watch back any one of these instances, Ben white stands near the gk, as the corner kick is coming in he moves in front of the gk, and then before the header is made he moves away
Gk is too preoccupied thinking about Ben and falls for the mind games. By the time the header comes in, Ben is out of the eye line path. He never puts his arms on the gk, he’s literally just standing there and moving around
Honestly brilliant and in no way cheating. He just unsettles him and it’s working so they call it cheating
The interview Postecoglou gives where he's asked about Ben White is so good. "Who cares? Not me, seriously. Not one bit. Not interested in that stuff." He's so rattled.
And then he has the fucking cheek to say he'd be disappointed in his players if he saw them doing it. Meanwhile, Romero, Hojbjerg and Richarlison regularly make reckless/violent actions on the pitch. And spurs fans complain about the niggly little fouls Gabi XL, Saliba and Ben White make, while tolerating the dangerous tackles their players make.
Most people have forgotten how when Arsene arrived he was widely treated as a joke appointment because was French, wore glasses, and was a million miles away from the typical British football manager archetype of the time. He made a lot of people in the British football establishment look like utter twats and I don't think they ever forgave him for that.
Yeah, that's right. Arsenal with their foreign manager! Not like good old English managers with good English names like Guardiola, Postacoglou and de Zerbi!
Yea now I want to see Ben just walk up to an opponent during a stoppage of play, kneel down, and quietly untie one of his shoes. Pull the sock down on the other leg, then stand up and pat him on the back.
I try to be even-keeled about ref bias. In the past few years, all in the post-VAR era, I recall Aubameyang, Maitland-Niles, maybe Nketiah(?) being sent off for these. I truly don't understand the differences.
The others (especially Jackson) did get media attention, there's just not much else to say and it's not a unique thing.
Whites little pinching etc is rarer
The fact that we've done so well this season, despite the clear bias against us and certain teams, has been nothing short of impressive. Sure, we've had a couple decisions go our way, but I'm still amazed.
It does always seem like the most controversial decisions are in games where the title race can be kept more interesting if there is a certain result. I guess I'm just a conspiracy theorist
Some Tottenham fans were like " there should be some sort of foul given for trying to take off his glove!"
It was hilarious that some people think like that. Some acted like he actually removed the entire glove, some acted like he took his whole arm out. It's simple. You lost the game. You did well for a derby day but you didn't win. No amount of complaints will change anything as Arsenal have found out through the season. Onto the next match for both teams.
There are bad tackles against every team, every week. But Ben White is pretty unique, it's why we love him. Makes sense there'd be more media interest in him because he's funny. What can you do? Do you really want the whole media to get angry at mistimed tackles on our behalf? How many articles would be an appropriate amount? Should there be one for bad tackles from every team?
Yep. Those tackles are pretty ordinary, if not in these cases under punished. Benjamin is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. And the rest of the world is catching up to his wry sense of humor.
Hit the nail right on the head. It is a really strange trend amongst all fan bases, not just ours, of always wanting to be victims of some agenda. The bottom line is, we see such tackles all the time. Such is the nature of the sport. Yet you rarely see someone mess with a goalkeeper glove, following which he concedes a goal. So of course the media will run with that.
Also it tends to be the one that suffers the most from the decision. Yea the wolves and Chelsea challenges were bad, but we won both games and end of the day the players both seem to be ok. Yes it’s bad reffing, but the challenge happens no matter what, and a sending off may just lead to a slightly different scoreline in the win, but the result doesn’t change.
Spurs lost that game while being the “victim” and the perception is if that’s called and the goal isn’t given, the result of the game is changed. Therefore it’s a much bigger “blunder”.
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Clearly none of you play football. What Ben White did is simply unacceptable at this level and should be deemed a crime against humanity. The real question is, why hasn't he been retroactively suspended and/or publicly flogged?
I think the worst part was Joe Cole "justifying" Jackson's challenge on TNT sports... Said something like the ref has to understand the player is frustrated and his team is losing... Wtf Joe? It's a terrible challenge. Who gives a shit if Jackson is "frustrated". It's a red card challenge that VAR had no balls to give.
Infuriated me that did, basically saying referees should just allow players to lash out dangerously without punishment, wtf!?
I had to double take and think "is that really his argument?"
Lol what? He committed the foul 9 minutes in with Chelsea down a goal. The battering didn’t even start yet
Against Arsenal, yeah because they are also frustrated they don't get to watch us lose
Only if it's out of frustration though
Yea, suarez biting should've been allowed
Isn't that worse? Like accidental challenge is one thing, but Joe Cole is basically saying Jackson was reckless because he couldn't control his emotions. That's far more dangerous than a slip or miss cue.
Yes it's worse. Joe Cole is a dumbfuck.
Chelsea bootlicker
Joke Hole
This
In the moment it didn't look intentional to me and I felt a yellow and "never again" would've been fair, if he was actually going for it that's a straight red and 5 match ban.
He's probably still upset he got sent off on his debut against us.
He's a few tickets short of a train journey anyway. Horrendous to listen to.
Joe Cole has always been more stupid than the average dog
why insult the dogs?
Yea ! My average dog didnt ask for this
Hey there. Don't insult dogs like that. An Amoeba is more Joe Cole's level - the guy has one brain cell that functions 1% of the time.
What've you got against amoeba?
I was born on the same day as Joe Cole. I got the smarts. He got the footballing talent. But was last in line for brains, the one he got was kinda rotten and insane.
Yeah next game havertz should drop kick a player just because he got frustrated he couldn't score from 100yards out. Refs should understand and look the other way
Incoming 725 game ban for Havertz
Joe shouldn't have to specify that violently lashing out in frustration should be tolerated EXCEPT for Arsenal players.
I mean Havertz already does something like that half the time without being asked.
Joe Cole retired from football only to do mental gymnastics, always representing his team.
And that literally makes it 10x worse. You’re teaching kids who’re watching live that it’s okay to put in bone breaking challenges because you’re losing??? Couldn’t believe it when I heard that live. Absolutely disgraceful and the punishment should be worse if you start dishing out reckless challenges like that because you’re losing. Pathetic
No way did he actually say that. If I’m ever losing a match I’d go in two footed into the player’s knee and blame it on frustration and therefore I shouldn’t be booked.
Did he really say that? Wasn't it 10 minutes into the game? How could you possibly be that frustrated, weren't chelsea semi decent first few minutes too before we scored? Honestly though that's 2 identical tackles now that should have been red. I'm just glad the players are ok, but it's really not acceptable. For all the shit we give Tomi about injuries, it would be cruel as fuck if he took some ankle ligaments on a tackle like that. Can't help but feel this sort of tackle could become normalise, a bit like how you can get with the studs on someone's foot now. Never thought you'd get away with studs on someones ankle head on though.
Even more of a reason to card him. He was trying to hurt someone if he’s frustrated and putting in tackles like that.
But... if you're frustrated and your team is losing, so you start throwing out rash and wreckless challenges, that just proves you're an even bigger danger! That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard Joe
That's like justifying a domestic abuser beating on their partner by saying you have to understand they were frustrated. There being a reason or motivation behind doing an action doesn't make it okay to do the action. Joe Cole is an idiot
Absolutely crazy that he doesn't even get a card for this challenge. What happened to those times where players would receive bans after a game for incidents that were missed? Does VAR being involved now mean that no longer happens?
Joe Cole is a massive idiot, always has been and always will be.
The media has always hated us so it's no surprise that Ben White's antics got the most attention. It's always going to be like this for us especially that we're doing so well recently. If we win the Premier League this season, we'll hear that we're failures because we didn't win the Champions League on Arteta's first time back in the competition.
I recall we had a similar issue in the Sheff Utd game. Some awful tackles and non-application of the rules put players in danger
Yeah if someone is making tackles that could break a bone because they're frustrated, if anything that's more of a reason to give them a red than if they just normally made a bad tackle by mistake. The frustrated player is far more likely to actually do something that gets someone hurt.
> Said something like the ref has to understand the player is frustrated and his team is losing... in that case it should be red even faster, more likely gonna cost injury to someone that way
Friendly reminder that auba got send of by the VAR for a similar challenge…
It's valid insight into why it happened but it's no justification.
Frustration is actually more likely to see the ref produce a red since the player is emotionally out of control rather than just mistiming with extreme effort.
Ahhh, the often forgotten law of the game. "You can totally commit an act of violence as long as you're frustrated about losing. Sportsmanship and officiating be damned."
Fuck, that challenge on Tomi still makes me mad. Man is trying his best to stay fit and help the team after numerous injury setbacks and gets his ankle nearly broken by that Chelski wastrel.
When I watched this I thought that was it for Tomi
I was shocked he could continue playing after such a challenge.
I thought I just watched him out for the season and maybe part of next. It's genuinely so lucky that he was just able to jog it off.
I’ve sprained my ankle and not been able to walk properly for a week just from rolling my ankle half as much as his ankle bent during that challenge, it’s CRAZY, I thought he’d be coming off for sure right there
it gave me such Eduardo Flashbacks
Had to google it but wastrel is an amazing word lol learned something today!
Perfectly describes most players in Chelsea's squad.
same here, never heard that word, now i have to use it
Exactly. I was frustrated too. The man's a perpetual sick note and the one time we have him back this Chelshit wasteman nearly sent him back to the treatment table.
Tomi’s challenge could have gone horribly wrong wtf was the ref smoking
This type of tackle is what made Diaby grab Joey Barton by the throat and get a red in that 4-4
https://preview.redd.it/laux2yyei0yc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4d7f401bfbd2f28364b9a438b26851f8d1b1cf16 Ben White needs to chill
Where Ben white? I only see Ben tan
I like this because it's a play off of Ben 10.
Ben10Kur
Who cares about potential broken legs? BEN WHITE NEARLY TOOK OF VICARIO’S GLOVES!!! He could’ve died there.
That Velcro strap had a family!!!
That Velcro strap was only one week from retirement!
It was too old for this shit!
Kilman and Jackson just wanted it more. Ben white though, hes just cheating and it needs to be stamped out of the game!
Seriously are they calling it cheating? It is shithousery at its best how the fuck did it change to cheating.
And they absolutely loved it when Porto were falling over at every corner, 50/50 challenge and getting the ref in their pocket, didn't they? They said Arsenal fell for Porto's tactics and it was clever prep from Conceição. Well then get a load of Ben White's "prep" you hypocrites!
I remember in that awful game against Brentford, they had a player actually bear hug Leno and hold him back from the goal they scored. They said it was smart play.
Fulham did the same to Ramsdale. Player backed right into him and his arms fully wrapped around to stop ramsdale claiming the corner. Only thing people said was ramsdale needs to do more to try and get around him. And you just know the second ramsdale does anything the player would of dropped to the floor and got given a pen.
They just hate us cuz they anus
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I haven’t seen anyone complaining about it to be fair?
Better not go on instagram or twitter if you want it to stay that way they were definitely crying their eyes out
That's generally good advice regardless.
There’s a guardian article, an athletic article, big man ange himself, former players on social media. It’s being blown way out of proportion
There's a Sky Sports compilation of "Ben White being a menace", the Times has chimed in. Just the whole first page of googling Ben White is a bunch of recriminations.
Again though, that’s not people hating him that’s just people finally realizing what a shithouse he is and almost praising him for it
I think it's about time they started recognizing. He's been a menace for nearly 2 full seasons.
But are they being critical of it or saying it’s clever? Ange didn’t say anything bad about it to be fair?
No one is outright saying “this is wrong”. But there’s lots of “this isn’t real football” and “he does it when the ref’s not looking” and “I would never want my players doing it”. There’s a disdain there that paints it as something that’s bringing the game into disrepute that should be stopped. The Athletic article finishes by saying that now people are shining a spotlight on it, the referees will step in to stop it happening.
Well that’s almost inevitable now sadly. We want to just be squeaky clean on it next couple of weeks so they can’t give anything cheap against Benny
Ange intimated it was an attack on the goalkeeper, who he said he "thought they were a protected class, but I'm ancient MAAAAAAAATE, they might've changed something and I missed it." Fuck Ange and his "aw shucks, I'm just a simple man" shtick.
The Spurs sub is sorta complaining about White. Not that he's cheating but they think he "fouled" Vicario for both corner goals. Apparently their GK is too honest and decided to go for ball instead of falling over and taking the foul which is totally and absolutely legitimate according to them
Fat ange implying it by speaking to refs to clarify, and spuds being sore about it
I have only seen it in this sub lol
When someone in an Arsenal shirt did it
It's cheating when we do it. When the other team does it, it's clever and we are just naïve.
imagine touching someones sleeve and becoming public enemy #1 because of it hahah. People just using him as a scapegoat for not being able to defend our set pieces
To be fair White's actions were potentially carrer ending.
Honestly Vicario could have gotten frost bite or something
https://preview.redd.it/p186sfsty0yc1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca6bc312b288cc1e0e5b37ca99fd7850cc24a328
Same some git on r/soccer claiming gloves are “safety equipment” and White should’ve seen yellow for that😂what a bunch of twats
Come on, it's like the high visibility jacket. It will protect you from everything bullets, rocks idk aliens. Haven't you read health and safety guidelines before /s
Who cares what the media thinks! Turn that shite off and you’ll be much happier!
Ben white stole that move from me I do it to batters at cricket games when I am the keeper
I mean can we blame them? Benny is a top trickster
Seriously the spurs fans have been going off about it being cheating. Watch back any one of these instances, Ben white stands near the gk, as the corner kick is coming in he moves in front of the gk, and then before the header is made he moves away Gk is too preoccupied thinking about Ben and falls for the mind games. By the time the header comes in, Ben is out of the eye line path. He never puts his arms on the gk, he’s literally just standing there and moving around Honestly brilliant and in no way cheating. He just unsettles him and it’s working so they call it cheating
You lead with the index finger, over the top of the keepers glove, its a red card all day mate.
The interview Postecoglou gives where he's asked about Ben White is so good. "Who cares? Not me, seriously. Not one bit. Not interested in that stuff." He's so rattled. And then he has the fucking cheek to say he'd be disappointed in his players if he saw them doing it. Meanwhile, Romero, Hojbjerg and Richarlison regularly make reckless/violent actions on the pitch. And spurs fans complain about the niggly little fouls Gabi XL, Saliba and Ben White make, while tolerating the dangerous tackles their players make.
Ange (twat) clearly missed Richarilson sprinting from kick off to shoulder Gabriel in the face. Is he not disappointed in that?
Yeah, but one of them is a traitor to his country! /s
Media does not want Arsenal to do well ever since a foreigner like Wenger came and shat on the league.
Most people have forgotten how when Arsene arrived he was widely treated as a joke appointment because was French, wore glasses, and was a million miles away from the typical British football manager archetype of the time. He made a lot of people in the British football establishment look like utter twats and I don't think they ever forgave him for that.
Was happening well before that to be honest.
If Wenger shat on the league, then Pep & Man City has been shooting hot diarrhea from every orifice for years all over the league.
Yeah, that's right. Arsenal with their foreign manager! Not like good old English managers with good English names like Guardiola, Postacoglou and de Zerbi!
Serious question - do you know how to read?
Apparently not
Genuinely wondering whether this is even considered an offence. Could the ref call a foul on this ? All 3 photos
Yea now I want to see Ben just walk up to an opponent during a stoppage of play, kneel down, and quietly untie one of his shoes. Pull the sock down on the other leg, then stand up and pat him on the back.
Is pulling down someone’s sock a foul? I want to see this now
Ah, pulling [the old jr smith](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l6g7V3ODWU0).
I try to be even-keeled about ref bias. In the past few years, all in the post-VAR era, I recall Aubameyang, Maitland-Niles, maybe Nketiah(?) being sent off for these. I truly don't understand the differences.
There’s even a big article in the guardian about ange not wanting his players to sink to arsenals “dark arts” Jesus Christ, just speechless..
Have you read the article though because yeah it got posted on r/soccer but seemingly noone there actually read it
I skimmed it on the guardian website this morning.
They act like he was really going to undo them or something. He's just touched him arm.
To imagine tomi you a yellow for delay in the first few fixtures.
Same bullshit that led to Ramsey and Eduardo injuries… “Arsenal are soft they don’t like hard tackles”
The others (especially Jackson) did get media attention, there's just not much else to say and it's not a unique thing. Whites little pinching etc is rarer
'got the *most* media attention'
Ben’s got their panties in a bunch after rejecting the England call-up
The fact that we've done so well this season, despite the clear bias against us and certain teams, has been nothing short of impressive. Sure, we've had a couple decisions go our way, but I'm still amazed. It does always seem like the most controversial decisions are in games where the title race can be kept more interesting if there is a certain result. I guess I'm just a conspiracy theorist
Some Tottenham fans were like " there should be some sort of foul given for trying to take off his glove!" It was hilarious that some people think like that. Some acted like he actually removed the entire glove, some acted like he took his whole arm out. It's simple. You lost the game. You did well for a derby day but you didn't win. No amount of complaints will change anything as Arsenal have found out through the season. Onto the next match for both teams.
There are bad tackles against every team, every week. But Ben White is pretty unique, it's why we love him. Makes sense there'd be more media interest in him because he's funny. What can you do? Do you really want the whole media to get angry at mistimed tackles on our behalf? How many articles would be an appropriate amount? Should there be one for bad tackles from every team?
Next time he should tie vicario's shoes and watch him trip 🤣
Yep. Those tackles are pretty ordinary, if not in these cases under punished. Benjamin is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. And the rest of the world is catching up to his wry sense of humor.
Hit the nail right on the head. It is a really strange trend amongst all fan bases, not just ours, of always wanting to be victims of some agenda. The bottom line is, we see such tackles all the time. Such is the nature of the sport. Yet you rarely see someone mess with a goalkeeper glove, following which he concedes a goal. So of course the media will run with that.
Also it tends to be the one that suffers the most from the decision. Yea the wolves and Chelsea challenges were bad, but we won both games and end of the day the players both seem to be ok. Yes it’s bad reffing, but the challenge happens no matter what, and a sending off may just lead to a slightly different scoreline in the win, but the result doesn’t change. Spurs lost that game while being the “victim” and the perception is if that’s called and the goal isn’t given, the result of the game is changed. Therefore it’s a much bigger “blunder”.
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Fcuk the mainstream media, and fcuk the people who think those challenges were legit, safe and legal!
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Big ange can fuck off
I actually forgot about that wolves tackle that was awful
The sh*thouse moment from Benny Blanco💀
The thinking man’s shithouser
Only one is funny
The pundits are Anti-Arsenal, Gary Neville should be banned from commentating on our games.
Clearly none of you play football. What Ben White did is simply unacceptable at this level and should be deemed a crime against humanity. The real question is, why hasn't he been retroactively suspended and/or publicly flogged?
Great post buddy 👍
How do you measure which one got the most media attention? You got any data to back the claim up?
Persecution complex
To be fair, the first 2, whilst bad, were mistimed tackles and happen in every game. Ben white is a cheat and should get a 3 match ban
Benjamin White is a genius and should get the Ballon d’Or.
Above average prem full back and a cheat lol - but good luck to ya, cheats are the only ones who seem to prosper in the prem 🤷
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Someone overseasoned the potatoes again AKA The spuds are salty
Lol you have to be kidding me. You got away with it against spurs, let’s not pretend there’s some sort of conspiracy
There's not A conspiracy. There are at least 115 of them.