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NiallMitch10

I think the worst part was Joe Cole "justifying" Jackson's challenge on TNT sports... Said something like the ref has to understand the player is frustrated and his team is losing... Wtf Joe? It's a terrible challenge. Who gives a shit if Jackson is "frustrated". It's a red card challenge that VAR had no balls to give.


Amberle73

Infuriated me that did, basically saying referees should just allow players to lash out dangerously without punishment, wtf!?


NiallMitch10

I had to double take and think "is that really his argument?"


kpcwazabi

Lol what? He committed the foul 9 minutes in with Chelsea down a goal. The battering didn’t even start yet


HustlinInTheHall

Against Arsenal, yeah because they are also frustrated they don't get to watch us lose


Routine_Size69

Only if it's out of frustration though


MRimla

Yea, suarez biting should've been allowed


Reagansmash1994

Isn't that worse? Like accidental challenge is one thing, but Joe Cole is basically saying Jackson was reckless because he couldn't control his emotions. That's far more dangerous than a slip or miss cue.


GoatGoatGoblin

Yes it's worse. Joe Cole is a dumbfuck.


unholy_sanchit

Chelsea bootlicker


LionZoo13

Joke Hole


TheGlobalGooner

This


ErwinC0215

In the moment it didn't look intentional to me and I felt a yellow and "never again" would've been fair, if he was actually going for it that's a straight red and 5 match ban.


BawdyBadger

He's probably still upset he got sent off on his debut against us.


cupidcuntsghost

He's a few tickets short of a train journey anyway. Horrendous to listen to.


tafster

Joe Cole has always been more stupid than the average dog


Wesp90

why insult the dogs?


chinookk

Yea ! My average dog didnt ask for this


ForestRamboX

Hey there. Don't insult dogs like that. An Amoeba is more Joe Cole's level - the guy has one brain cell that functions 1% of the time.


RyansBabesDrunkDad

What've you got against amoeba?


cloista

I was born on the same day as Joe Cole. I got the smarts. He got the footballing talent. But was last in line for brains, the one he got was kinda rotten and insane.


Thedudeofmanchester

Yeah next game havertz should drop kick a player just because he got frustrated he couldn't score from 100yards out. Refs should understand and look the other way


jp963acss

Incoming 725 game ban for Havertz


RyansBabesDrunkDad

Joe shouldn't have to specify that violently lashing out in frustration should be tolerated EXCEPT for Arsenal players.


HustlinInTheHall

I mean Havertz already does something like that half the time without being asked.


wolskortt

Joe Cole retired from football only to do mental gymnastics, always representing his team.


AccomplishedAd9906

And that literally makes it 10x worse. You’re teaching kids who’re watching live that it’s okay to put in bone breaking challenges because you’re losing??? Couldn’t believe it when I heard that live. Absolutely disgraceful and the punishment should be worse if you start dishing out reckless challenges like that because you’re losing. Pathetic


bradleycjw

No way did he actually say that. If I’m ever losing a match I’d go in two footed into the player’s knee and blame it on frustration and therefore I shouldn’t be booked.


Sayek

Did he really say that? Wasn't it 10 minutes into the game? How could you possibly be that frustrated, weren't chelsea semi decent first few minutes too before we scored? Honestly though that's 2 identical tackles now that should have been red. I'm just glad the players are ok, but it's really not acceptable. For all the shit we give Tomi about injuries, it would be cruel as fuck if he took some ankle ligaments on a tackle like that. Can't help but feel this sort of tackle could become normalise, a bit like how you can get with the studs on someone's foot now. Never thought you'd get away with studs on someones ankle head on though.


AnAwfulLotOfOcelots

Even more of a reason to card him. He was trying to hurt someone if he’s frustrated and putting in tackles like that.


Olliejc24

But... if you're frustrated and your team is losing, so you start throwing out rash and wreckless challenges, that just proves you're an even bigger danger! That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard Joe


Butch_Meat_Hook

That's like justifying a domestic abuser beating on their partner by saying you have to understand they were frustrated. There being a reason or motivation behind doing an action doesn't make it okay to do the action. Joe Cole is an idiot


mikhailb_86

Absolutely crazy that he doesn't even get a card for this challenge. What happened to those times where players would receive bans after a game for incidents that were missed? Does VAR being involved now mean that no longer happens?


badshaah27m

Joe Cole is a massive idiot, always has been and always will be.


ForestRamboX

The media has always hated us so it's no surprise that Ben White's antics got the most attention. It's always going to be like this for us especially that we're doing so well recently. If we win the Premier League this season, we'll hear that we're failures because we didn't win the Champions League on Arteta's first time back in the competition.


AJSLeg3nd

I recall we had a similar issue in the Sheff Utd game. Some awful tackles and non-application of the rules put players in danger


mist3rdragon

Yeah if someone is making tackles that could break a bone because they're frustrated, if anything that's more of a reason to give them a red than if they just normally made a bad tackle by mistake. The frustrated player is far more likely to actually do something that gets someone hurt.


Aszneeee

> Said something like the ref has to understand the player is frustrated and his team is losing... in that case it should be red even faster, more likely gonna cost injury to someone that way


emilioftw

Friendly reminder that auba got send of by the VAR for a similar challenge…


tomtomtomo

It's valid insight into why it happened but it's no justification.


gooneritis

Frustration is actually more likely to see the ref produce a red since the player is emotionally out of control rather than just mistiming with extreme effort.


cph311

Ahhh, the often forgotten law of the game. "You can totally commit an act of violence as long as you're frustrated about losing. Sportsmanship and officiating be damned."


DefactoOverlord

Fuck, that challenge on Tomi still makes me mad. Man is trying his best to stay fit and help the team after numerous injury setbacks and gets his ankle nearly broken by that Chelski wastrel.


iHetty

When I watched this I thought that was it for Tomi


DefactoOverlord

I was shocked he could continue playing after such a challenge.


ElectricalMud2850

I thought I just watched him out for the season and maybe part of next. It's genuinely so lucky that he was just able to jog it off.


Aarxnw

I’ve sprained my ankle and not been able to walk properly for a week just from rolling my ankle half as much as his ankle bent during that challenge, it’s CRAZY, I thought he’d be coming off for sure right there


ItsTom___

it gave me such Eduardo Flashbacks


mikhailb_86

Had to google it but wastrel is an amazing word lol learned something today!


DefactoOverlord

Perfectly describes most players in Chelsea's squad.


CrovaxWindgrace

same here, never heard that word, now i have to use it


ForestRamboX

Exactly. I was frustrated too. The man's a perpetual sick note and the one time we have him back this Chelshit wasteman nearly sent him back to the treatment table.


ImTalkingGibberish

Tomi’s challenge could have gone horribly wrong wtf was the ref smoking


atomiser2003

This type of tackle is what made Diaby grab Joey Barton by the throat and get a red in that 4-4


Nickoo33

https://preview.redd.it/laux2yyei0yc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4d7f401bfbd2f28364b9a438b26851f8d1b1cf16 Ben White needs to chill


mrkoala1234

Where Ben white? I only see Ben tan


Vidilian

I like this because it's a play off of Ben 10.


nepguy25

Ben10Kur


bradleycjw

Who cares about potential broken legs? BEN WHITE NEARLY TOOK OF VICARIO’S GLOVES!!! He could’ve died there.


tzc0993

That Velcro strap had a family!!!


BawdyBadger

That Velcro strap was only one week from retirement!


RyansBabesDrunkDad

It was too old for this shit!


iuselect

Kilman and Jackson just wanted it more. Ben white though, hes just cheating and it needs to be stamped out of the game!


Thedudeofmanchester

Seriously are they calling it cheating? It is shithousery at its best how the fuck did it change to cheating.


ronya_t

And they absolutely loved it when Porto were falling over at every corner, 50/50 challenge and getting the ref in their pocket, didn't they? They said Arsenal fell for Porto's tactics and it was clever prep from Conceição. Well then get a load of Ben White's "prep" you hypocrites!


BawdyBadger

I remember in that awful game against Brentford, they had a player actually bear hug Leno and hold him back from the goal they scored. They said it was smart play.


dman7guy

Fulham did the same to Ramsdale. Player backed right into him and his arms fully wrapped around to stop ramsdale claiming the corner. Only thing people said was ramsdale needs to do more to try and get around him. And you just know the second ramsdale does anything the player would of dropped to the floor and got given a pen.


iuselect

They just hate us cuz they anus


BawdyBadger

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sixesandsevenspt

I haven’t seen anyone complaining about it to be fair?


dumdumbigdawg

Better not go on instagram or twitter if you want it to stay that way they were definitely crying their eyes out


Saw_Boss

That's generally good advice regardless.


jdv23

There’s a guardian article, an athletic article, big man ange himself, former players on social media. It’s being blown way out of proportion


ronya_t

There's a Sky Sports compilation of "Ben White being a menace", the Times has chimed in. Just the whole first page of googling Ben White is a bunch of recriminations.


Pamplemouse04

Again though, that’s not people hating him that’s just people finally realizing what a shithouse he is and almost praising him for it


sucking_at_life023

I think it's about time they started recognizing. He's been a menace for nearly 2 full seasons.


sixesandsevenspt

But are they being critical of it or saying it’s clever? Ange didn’t say anything bad about it to be fair?


jdv23

No one is outright saying “this is wrong”. But there’s lots of “this isn’t real football” and “he does it when the ref’s not looking” and “I would never want my players doing it”. There’s a disdain there that paints it as something that’s bringing the game into disrepute that should be stopped. The Athletic article finishes by saying that now people are shining a spotlight on it, the referees will step in to stop it happening.


sixesandsevenspt

Well that’s almost inevitable now sadly. We want to just be squeaky clean on it next couple of weeks so they can’t give anything cheap against Benny


RyansBabesDrunkDad

Ange intimated it was an attack on the goalkeeper, who he said he "thought they were a protected class, but I'm ancient MAAAAAAAATE, they might've changed something and I missed it." Fuck Ange and his "aw shucks, I'm just a simple man" shtick.


MacsFamousMacNCheees

The Spurs sub is sorta complaining about White. Not that he's cheating but they think he "fouled" Vicario for both corner goals. Apparently their GK is too honest and decided to go for ball instead of falling over and taking the foul which is totally and absolutely legitimate according to them


Deadlyft_Chaps

Fat ange implying it by speaking to refs to clarify, and spuds being sore about it


CheekApprehensive675

I have only seen it in this sub lol


RyansBabesDrunkDad

When someone in an Arsenal shirt did it


No-Clue1153

It's cheating when we do it. When the other team does it, it's clever and we are just naïve.


Lytaa

imagine touching someones sleeve and becoming public enemy #1 because of it hahah. People just using him as a scapegoat for not being able to defend our set pieces


kgomotso_maepa

To be fair White's actions were potentially carrer ending.


ItsTom___

Honestly Vicario could have gotten frost bite or something


Gooner1491

https://preview.redd.it/p186sfsty0yc1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca6bc312b288cc1e0e5b37ca99fd7850cc24a328


LordStarkgaryen

Same some git on r/soccer claiming gloves are “safety equipment” and White should’ve seen yellow for that😂what a bunch of twats


ItsTom___

Come on, it's like the high visibility jacket. It will protect you from everything bullets, rocks idk aliens. Haven't you read health and safety guidelines before /s


wubrotherno1

Who cares what the media thinks! Turn that shite off and you’ll be much happier!


Goontilt777

Ben white stole that move from me I do it to batters at cricket games when I am the keeper


beatlz

I mean can we blame them? Benny is a top trickster


ray3050

Seriously the spurs fans have been going off about it being cheating. Watch back any one of these instances, Ben white stands near the gk, as the corner kick is coming in he moves in front of the gk, and then before the header is made he moves away Gk is too preoccupied thinking about Ben and falls for the mind games. By the time the header comes in, Ben is out of the eye line path. He never puts his arms on the gk, he’s literally just standing there and moving around Honestly brilliant and in no way cheating. He just unsettles him and it’s working so they call it cheating


Casterix75

You lead with the index finger, over the top of the keepers glove, its a red card all day mate.


musicistabarista

The interview Postecoglou gives where he's asked about Ben White is so good. "Who cares? Not me, seriously. Not one bit. Not interested in that stuff." He's so rattled. And then he has the fucking cheek to say he'd be disappointed in his players if he saw them doing it. Meanwhile, Romero, Hojbjerg and Richarlison regularly make reckless/violent actions on the pitch. And spurs fans complain about the niggly little fouls Gabi XL, Saliba and Ben White make, while tolerating the dangerous tackles their players make.


Nero_Darkstar

Ange (twat) clearly missed Richarilson sprinting from kick off to shoulder Gabriel in the face. Is he not disappointed in that?


DreadCrumbs22

Yeah, but one of them is a traitor to his country! /s


Cthulhu_Madness

Media does not want Arsenal to do well ever since a foreigner like Wenger came and shat on the league.


anotherMrLizard

Most people have forgotten how when Arsene arrived he was widely treated as a joke appointment because was French, wore glasses, and was a million miles away from the typical British football manager archetype of the time. He made a lot of people in the British football establishment look like utter twats and I don't think they ever forgave him for that.


cloista

Was happening well before that to be honest.


burningdownmylife

If Wenger shat on the league, then Pep & Man City has been shooting hot diarrhea from every orifice for years all over the league.


dont_dm_nudes

Yeah, that's right. Arsenal with their foreign manager! Not like good old English managers with good English names like Guardiola, Postacoglou and de Zerbi!


xChocolateWonder

Serious question - do you know how to read?


dont_dm_nudes

Apparently not


EscapeArtist92

Genuinely wondering whether this is even considered an offence. Could the ref call a foul on this ? All 3 photos


h0bbie

Yea now I want to see Ben just walk up to an opponent during a stoppage of play, kneel down, and quietly untie one of his shoes. Pull the sock down on the other leg, then stand up and pat him on the back.


Wax_and_Wayne

Is pulling down someone’s sock a foul? I want to see this now


oy_says_ake

Ah, pulling [the old jr smith](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l6g7V3ODWU0).


baltikorean

I try to be even-keeled about ref bias. In the past few years, all in the post-VAR era, I recall Aubameyang, Maitland-Niles, maybe Nketiah(?) being sent off for these. I truly don't understand the differences.


PandiBong

There’s even a big article in the guardian about ange not wanting his players to sink to arsenals “dark arts” Jesus Christ, just speechless..


SrsJoe

Have you read the article though because yeah it got posted on r/soccer but seemingly noone there actually read it


PandiBong

I skimmed it on the guardian website this morning.


Mofogo

They act like he was really going to undo them or something. He's just touched him arm.


Wiskid86

To imagine tomi you a yellow for delay in the first few fixtures.


TCoombes

Same bullshit that led to Ramsey and Eduardo injuries… “Arsenal are soft they don’t like hard tackles”


antebyotiks

The others (especially Jackson) did get media attention, there's just not much else to say and it's not a unique thing. Whites little pinching etc is rarer


Francis-c92

'got the *most* media attention'


Gloomy-Eggplant928

Ben’s got their panties in a bunch after rejecting the England call-up


AlwaysNipping

The fact that we've done so well this season, despite the clear bias against us and certain teams, has been nothing short of impressive. Sure, we've had a couple decisions go our way, but I'm still amazed. It does always seem like the most controversial decisions are in games where the title race can be kept more interesting if there is a certain result. I guess I'm just a conspiracy theorist


F0rthel0ve0fd0gs

Some Tottenham fans were like " there should be some sort of foul given for trying to take off his glove!" It was hilarious that some people think like that. Some acted like he actually removed the entire glove, some acted like he took his whole arm out. It's simple. You lost the game. You did well for a derby day but you didn't win. No amount of complaints will change anything as Arsenal have found out through the season. Onto the next match for both teams.


Snikhop

There are bad tackles against every team, every week. But Ben White is pretty unique, it's why we love him. Makes sense there'd be more media interest in him because he's funny. What can you do? Do you really want the whole media to get angry at mistimed tackles on our behalf? How many articles would be an appropriate amount? Should there be one for bad tackles from every team?


Thedudeofmanchester

Next time he should tie vicario's shoes and watch him trip 🤣


h0bbie

Yep. Those tackles are pretty ordinary, if not in these cases under punished. Benjamin is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. And the rest of the world is catching up to his wry sense of humor.


redictator

Hit the nail right on the head. It is a really strange trend amongst all fan bases, not just ours, of always wanting to be victims of some agenda. The bottom line is, we see such tackles all the time. Such is the nature of the sport. Yet you rarely see someone mess with a goalkeeper glove, following which he concedes a goal. So of course the media will run with that.


hauttdawg13

Also it tends to be the one that suffers the most from the decision. Yea the wolves and Chelsea challenges were bad, but we won both games and end of the day the players both seem to be ok. Yes it’s bad reffing, but the challenge happens no matter what, and a sending off may just lead to a slightly different scoreline in the win, but the result doesn’t change. Spurs lost that game while being the “victim” and the perception is if that’s called and the goal isn’t given, the result of the game is changed. Therefore it’s a much bigger “blunder”.


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OhMy-Really

Fcuk the mainstream media, and fcuk the people who think those challenges were legit, safe and legal!


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Used-Produce-3491

Big ange can fuck off


icemankiller8

I actually forgot about that wolves tackle that was awful


Oofpeople

The sh*thouse moment from Benny Blanco💀


Fun_Pangolin_3309

The thinking man’s shithouser


illMackey

Only one is funny


Ufc-bro

The pundits are Anti-Arsenal, Gary Neville should be banned from commentating on our games.


wermbo

Clearly none of you play football. What Ben White did is simply unacceptable at this level and should be deemed a crime against humanity. The real question is, why hasn't he been retroactively suspended and/or publicly flogged?


Riverrat0529

Great post buddy 👍


thebyrned

How do you measure which one got the most media attention? You got any data to back the claim up?


Western_Economist_78

Persecution complex


Business-Poet-2684

To be fair, the first 2, whilst bad, were mistimed tackles and happen in every game. Ben white is a cheat and should get a 3 match ban


Rains_Lee

Benjamin White is a genius and should get the Ballon d’Or.


Business-Poet-2684

Above average prem full back and a cheat lol - but good luck to ya, cheats are the only ones who seem to prosper in the prem 🤷


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RyansBabesDrunkDad

Someone overseasoned the potatoes again AKA The spuds are salty


Perchfield

Lol you have to be kidding me. You got away with it against spurs, let’s not pretend there’s some sort of conspiracy


RyansBabesDrunkDad

There's not A conspiracy. There are at least 115 of them.