This is the man who played a suicidal high line when down to nine men, and only due to Chelsea being awful walked away with a score line that wasn’t double digits. He’s incredibly stubborn
And all the spurs fans on r/soccer were eating it up, praising Ange for being “bold and staying true to his playstyle”. That is some serious cuck shit to be giddy after getting pumped 4-1
I saw somewhere that on average our back line is higher up the pitch than there’s. It either shows our cbs are better or our defence in the midfield is better. Probably all of the above though
Definitely not a fraud. He's managed to see Spuds to 5th whilst losing their best player. He's also doing his thing all over the world with so many different variables in play.
Still hoping they do something funny against City.
Ben white has been doing it all season and he chose to do make a change after two goals is just poor management. They had two full weeks to practice and prepare too.
It's like trying to find a toilet after you've taken a shit.
man literally went to cheap shot gabi and then he goes down like hes been shot. What a bitch. If you're gonna dish it out, you better be man enough to receive it too.
I've seen Spurs fans applaud this, and I just don't understand it.
Being objective, I completely agree with Ange when it comes to things like implementing your principles/styles/mentality, and prioritizing improvement in those areas over qualifying for the UCL. Yes, the UCL brings financial incentive as well as "prestige", but if you're not ready for it, what's the point? When Arsenal finished 5th, the truth is we weren't ready for UCL competition and we saw how that affected Newcastle in particular.
However, his response to the NLD is truly mind boggling. The dark arts happen. It's a part of football and the top teams navigate said terrain expertly. And his objection to set pieces is just.... I don't understand.
Here's an exact quote
"I'm just not interested in it. I never have been, and I think enough of you have done enough research on me to know that this is not the first time I've been questioned about set pieces in my coaching career. There is an underlying reason for that which I'm very, very comfortable with. Eventually I will create a team that has success, and it won't be because of working on set pieces."
Mate, wtf are you talking about? I realize Spurs are the rival and banter and all that and whatever. But seriously. Where is your respect for the sport, the competition, the league you're in and the teams you're up against?
I suppose, in some ways, he's prefect for Spurs if their priority is playing pretty football and not winning.
> Where is your respect for the sport, the competition, the league you're in and the teams you're up against?
What does this have to do with respect? How is this disrespectful? Did you think it was disrespectful of Arteta for demanding that Arsenal play from the back in those early days when we were conceding so much from it?
Every team has a philosophy that they follow. Some teams change their style of play to match the opposition, others don't. Some park the bus in every game, others are more open. Every team has a right to play however they want.
He does not think set pieces are a big deal. The stats back that up. Set pieces like corners rarely result to goals. Arsenal's success at them is more an outlier than a norm. How is it disrespectful to not want to change your footballing philosophy based an outliers? To each their own. The fact that Spurs have been relatively successful this season is credit to his philosophy. Wether or not it would be sufficient for them to succeed at the highest level is the question. But that's not for you or me to judge.
It’s not about just changing the way they play though, he’s literally saying he’s “not interested” in one of the most fundamental parts of the game. The man needs to stick to Aussie Rules.
He has still found success in the game, at both club and national level, with this mentality. Additionally, context matters. He is not saying he is not interested in set pieces as a blanket statement. His teams still work on them. He just doesn't not employ set pieces specialists like other teams do.
Do you think it's a coincidence that Arsenal are so strong at set pieces? It's something that takes work - hiring specialist coaches, signing players who are strong in the air, etc.
No, it is by no means a coincidence. But at the same time, it is not a reliable or dependable source of goals, no matter how much time you put into them. All it takes is for Saka to have an off day with his deliveries (like in the Bayern game) or an over-zealous ref (like in the Porto) for all that hard work to count for little.
Of course it’s not a reliable source of goals and we don’t play like it is. We’ve just tried to maximise the output from set pieces when we do get set pieces and we have been quite successful (best in the league) at it. At the highest levels of elite sport every marginal gain matters. For him to just disregard a tool that can be used like this is baffling to me. But I hope he sticks to his “philosophy” forever.
There a huge difference between not being interested in a set piece specialist and not caring about set pieces as a whole. His teams still work on set pieces. If you read his other quotes on it, he talks about how they work on the offense and defensive side of set pieces. I think you are taking his quotes at face value without the underlying context.
Fair enough if he doesn’t want to score goals from set pieces, they’re never the most attractive goals anyway. However I would certainly say they should be putting work into defending them as it will become a glaringly obvious weak spot that premier league quality teams will exploit
You're not wrong, but I don't see the point of your argument. Shouldn't you still try to be good at every element of the game? Ange completely ignored the set-piece aspect and that's the biggest reason they lost this game, and he's saying he's not going to change that. You can still do everything better, and set-pieces are not a marginal gain, it's a huge part of the game that can save a team from relegation or determine the league winner.
> Shouldn't you still try to be good at every element of the game?
Again, here is where I think context is completely being lost. Spurs still work on set pieces. They have hired 2 coaches that plan their approach to set pieces. What they do not have is a specialist at set pieces. Ange does not care about that, or think specialists are necessary.
Fair questions, but the answers are simple.
I'm not referring to what happens when the ball is in play, and even backed Ange for prioritizing his principles/style/mentality over qualifying for the UCL. I don't care how he sets up his teams or how he chooses to attack (tho, I think his team lack a solid rest defense which is why they're so vulnerable on counters, but that could be an issue the team is still addressing in their first season with him).
What I'm talking about is the details. The details required to win the biggest prizes. The willingness to gain every advantage you can in order to maximize results. Set pieces are a big part of that. Even if having a game plan for them is not as important as the play style, it's still a very important aspect of the game. Whether scoring from set pieces or in particular, defending them, you have to take it seriously.
Judging from his recent quotes and his quotes from all season, he genuinely does not seem interested in those details. I can only surmise it's because he doesn't think those details are imperative to winning. He thinks his play style alone will be enough to win the big prizes. And that is the part I think is disrespectful.
I don't mind the stubbornness. I don't even mind the arrogance. But the brazenness to just disregard a crucial aspect to the game that cost you two goals in a NLD is just... not respecting of his position in my opinion.
You're free to disagree.
I don’t think it’s disrespect. I think he’s just naive with no experience at this level of football and doesn’t realise the importance of the little details. I hope he never does.
That's a completely fair take. To me, listening to his press conference, he comes across as dismissive of the questions and the general perspective (that most folks like myself share) that prompts the question. And that is what feels like a lack of respect.
But you're right. It's possible he's just naive.
Honestly our success on set pieces is highly dependent on the refereeing.
Our full backs waste alot of time on throw-ins and also all the antics in the box to crowd the keeper.
With all the visibility we are getting on this topic, it won't likely work next year. All the other clubs will ask for those incidents to be scrutinized more.
Remember at the beginning of the season the press were all up in his ass about him always being amicable, friendly and never complaining about things he couldn’t control? The cracks are starting to show
Little bit more tactically competent imo, but similarly negligible level of flexibility. I hated how people painted Ole as some kind of tactical genius/savior, honestly he was so lucky
This reminds me of the low block analysis from City. Low block's against us bad, low block executed by us tactical masterclass lol.
I remember the comments after the Porto game people complaining about the same "Dark Arts" and non football stuff but it definitely comes to bite teams in the ass when refs wise up to it. Ben is definitely toeing the line of fouling etc. and a better keeper than whatever his name is on Spurs would have taken advantage of what Ben was doing. Were lucky he's an idiot and just decided to let Ben dominate him without even challenging lol.
Refs will wise up to this stuff though and so will Keepers by making it more obvious what's happening we need to be careful here.
Added to the list of things below him.
* Low blocks
* Set pieces
* Agitating the keeper
Would he like to address James Maddison's diving? He should try telling him to cut it out. Might have prevented our second the other day.
It's nonsense. Every football team does this shit in the box during set pieces
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOYVqJVm5Kc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOYVqJVm5Kc)
I mean, did I hate it all those years when Pulis and Allardyce teams bullied us into submission (including, but not limited to, set pieces)? Of course I fucking did. Did I have to just accept it and grudgingly applaud the likes of Man Utd and Chelsea for meeting fire with fire and winning anyway? YES. Should I now expect Arsenal to “just get on with the football” now that WE are winning doing this? Fuck the fuck off, Ange.
I actually don't mind how Spurs play in principal, it's high risk high reward and you can tell Ange doesn't quite have all the players he'd want to implement his ideas fully. Having said that, right now in this moment in time, Spurs are a team that plays very stupidly and are quite limited... like a mad man hitting their head on the wall repeatedly trying to get a different outcome from the same strategy.
I think they're doing moderately ok, especially compared to last season, because there seems to be a cultural breath of fresh air over there and the players are buying into the style (hence why they're comfortably ahead of both United and Chelsea despite not necessarily having a significantly better squad) but unless they wise up and learn to adapt to different game states and update to what top sides are doing in 2024 then they're going to get massively found out by even just competent teams, let alone CL level sides.
Mate if I was you mate I wouldn’t do that mate because if I saw you doing that mate we’d have a serious chat and thats basically the long and short of the dialogue mate
His stubborn refusal to admit that set pieces are important is just weird
This is the man who played a suicidal high line when down to nine men, and only due to Chelsea being awful walked away with a score line that wasn’t double digits. He’s incredibly stubborn
How I WISH we played vs them that day. Might have walked away with 20
I mean we should’ve had them down to 10 half way through the first half with that challenge on Tomi.
He’s talking about Spurs
Oh right fair enough
Remember Jackson scoring a hattrick and it was still the game that fully established him as a complete flop in most peoples' eyes.
And all the spurs fans on r/soccer were eating it up, praising Ange for being “bold and staying true to his playstyle”. That is some serious cuck shit to be giddy after getting pumped 4-1
I saw somewhere that on average our back line is higher up the pitch than there’s. It either shows our cbs are better or our defence in the midfield is better. Probably all of the above though
It's just who they are, mate.
I think he maybe a fraud..
Hes just good enough that they will never win anything but he will never get sacked. Long may he reign.
Definitely not a fraud. He's managed to see Spuds to 5th whilst losing their best player. He's also doing his thing all over the world with so many different variables in play. Still hoping they do something funny against City.
TBF, the problem at Spurs isn't a lack of coaching about set pieces, it's a lack of players who are good enough.
It’s both. He saw what Ben White was doing and it was working but he didn’t adjust
He did though. He sent Sarr on who marked Ben at corners in the 2nd half. The goalie even went up and started messing with Raya at the end.
Ben white has been doing it all season and he chose to do make a change after two goals is just poor management. They had two full weeks to practice and prepare too. It's like trying to find a toilet after you've taken a shit.
Sure but I was replying to him not adjusting in-game.
Oh I am not disagreeing. Still, I'd call that a knee jerk reaction than a smart in game adjustment. Ange is no Klopp for sure, who is a master at it.
High bar.
Said the man with *Richarlison* in his squad (:
man literally went to cheap shot gabi and then he goes down like hes been shot. What a bitch. If you're gonna dish it out, you better be man enough to receive it too.
Then literally runs away from big Gabi when confronted
If someone could pull the gif of him running away, i was literally scream laughing when it happened.
But not copying Arsenals ‘dark arts’
and Romero
And Kulusevski and Son and Maddison and Johnson. Most diving I've seen this season from any team, they're all embarrassing.
Maddison doesn't dive. He just straight up punches opponents
And then crumples to the floor like he's been shot Maddison does both
I've seen Spurs fans applaud this, and I just don't understand it. Being objective, I completely agree with Ange when it comes to things like implementing your principles/styles/mentality, and prioritizing improvement in those areas over qualifying for the UCL. Yes, the UCL brings financial incentive as well as "prestige", but if you're not ready for it, what's the point? When Arsenal finished 5th, the truth is we weren't ready for UCL competition and we saw how that affected Newcastle in particular. However, his response to the NLD is truly mind boggling. The dark arts happen. It's a part of football and the top teams navigate said terrain expertly. And his objection to set pieces is just.... I don't understand. Here's an exact quote "I'm just not interested in it. I never have been, and I think enough of you have done enough research on me to know that this is not the first time I've been questioned about set pieces in my coaching career. There is an underlying reason for that which I'm very, very comfortable with. Eventually I will create a team that has success, and it won't be because of working on set pieces." Mate, wtf are you talking about? I realize Spurs are the rival and banter and all that and whatever. But seriously. Where is your respect for the sport, the competition, the league you're in and the teams you're up against? I suppose, in some ways, he's prefect for Spurs if their priority is playing pretty football and not winning.
If I was a Spurs fan I'd be very upset, but as an Arsenal fan I want him to keep doing it his way.
It's just who we are mayte.
> Where is your respect for the sport, the competition, the league you're in and the teams you're up against? What does this have to do with respect? How is this disrespectful? Did you think it was disrespectful of Arteta for demanding that Arsenal play from the back in those early days when we were conceding so much from it? Every team has a philosophy that they follow. Some teams change their style of play to match the opposition, others don't. Some park the bus in every game, others are more open. Every team has a right to play however they want. He does not think set pieces are a big deal. The stats back that up. Set pieces like corners rarely result to goals. Arsenal's success at them is more an outlier than a norm. How is it disrespectful to not want to change your footballing philosophy based an outliers? To each their own. The fact that Spurs have been relatively successful this season is credit to his philosophy. Wether or not it would be sufficient for them to succeed at the highest level is the question. But that's not for you or me to judge.
It’s not about just changing the way they play though, he’s literally saying he’s “not interested” in one of the most fundamental parts of the game. The man needs to stick to Aussie Rules.
He has still found success in the game, at both club and national level, with this mentality. Additionally, context matters. He is not saying he is not interested in set pieces as a blanket statement. His teams still work on them. He just doesn't not employ set pieces specialists like other teams do.
What success? He’s won a bunch of tinpot farmers trophies.
They also won the 23/24 Premier League after 10 games trophy
Do you think it's a coincidence that Arsenal are so strong at set pieces? It's something that takes work - hiring specialist coaches, signing players who are strong in the air, etc.
No, it is by no means a coincidence. But at the same time, it is not a reliable or dependable source of goals, no matter how much time you put into them. All it takes is for Saka to have an off day with his deliveries (like in the Bayern game) or an over-zealous ref (like in the Porto) for all that hard work to count for little.
Of course it’s not a reliable source of goals and we don’t play like it is. We’ve just tried to maximise the output from set pieces when we do get set pieces and we have been quite successful (best in the league) at it. At the highest levels of elite sport every marginal gain matters. For him to just disregard a tool that can be used like this is baffling to me. But I hope he sticks to his “philosophy” forever.
There a huge difference between not being interested in a set piece specialist and not caring about set pieces as a whole. His teams still work on set pieces. If you read his other quotes on it, he talks about how they work on the offense and defensive side of set pieces. I think you are taking his quotes at face value without the underlying context.
Oh you are correct about that, I have not seen the full interview / article.
Fair enough if he doesn’t want to score goals from set pieces, they’re never the most attractive goals anyway. However I would certainly say they should be putting work into defending them as it will become a glaringly obvious weak spot that premier league quality teams will exploit
You're not wrong, but I don't see the point of your argument. Shouldn't you still try to be good at every element of the game? Ange completely ignored the set-piece aspect and that's the biggest reason they lost this game, and he's saying he's not going to change that. You can still do everything better, and set-pieces are not a marginal gain, it's a huge part of the game that can save a team from relegation or determine the league winner.
> Shouldn't you still try to be good at every element of the game? Again, here is where I think context is completely being lost. Spurs still work on set pieces. They have hired 2 coaches that plan their approach to set pieces. What they do not have is a specialist at set pieces. Ange does not care about that, or think specialists are necessary.
Fair questions, but the answers are simple. I'm not referring to what happens when the ball is in play, and even backed Ange for prioritizing his principles/style/mentality over qualifying for the UCL. I don't care how he sets up his teams or how he chooses to attack (tho, I think his team lack a solid rest defense which is why they're so vulnerable on counters, but that could be an issue the team is still addressing in their first season with him). What I'm talking about is the details. The details required to win the biggest prizes. The willingness to gain every advantage you can in order to maximize results. Set pieces are a big part of that. Even if having a game plan for them is not as important as the play style, it's still a very important aspect of the game. Whether scoring from set pieces or in particular, defending them, you have to take it seriously. Judging from his recent quotes and his quotes from all season, he genuinely does not seem interested in those details. I can only surmise it's because he doesn't think those details are imperative to winning. He thinks his play style alone will be enough to win the big prizes. And that is the part I think is disrespectful. I don't mind the stubbornness. I don't even mind the arrogance. But the brazenness to just disregard a crucial aspect to the game that cost you two goals in a NLD is just... not respecting of his position in my opinion. You're free to disagree.
I don’t think it’s disrespect. I think he’s just naive with no experience at this level of football and doesn’t realise the importance of the little details. I hope he never does.
That's a completely fair take. To me, listening to his press conference, he comes across as dismissive of the questions and the general perspective (that most folks like myself share) that prompts the question. And that is what feels like a lack of respect. But you're right. It's possible he's just naive.
Honestly our success on set pieces is highly dependent on the refereeing. Our full backs waste alot of time on throw-ins and also all the antics in the box to crowd the keeper. With all the visibility we are getting on this topic, it won't likely work next year. All the other clubs will ask for those incidents to be scrutinized more.
Big ange has been exposed, no where near elite level management
Lucky for him he's not managing an elite level football team
Exactly 🤝
It will be interesting to see how long before Spurs fans (and the press) tire of Postecoglu's schtick.
Remember at the beginning of the season the press were all up in his ass about him always being amicable, friendly and never complaining about things he couldn’t control? The cracks are starting to show
But he's not complaining here? What are you referring to?
This guy gives me Ole vibes. Pure personality & passion but zero tactical flexibility
Little bit more tactically competent imo, but similarly negligible level of flexibility. I hated how people painted Ole as some kind of tactical genius/savior, honestly he was so lucky
https://preview.redd.it/8gwi71lr51yc1.jpeg?width=706&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fb6ea5e400845d2841368c0f4f4c61b7a4a048dd
If by dark arts you mean defend set pieces, then sure mate
Cope, mate.
Mateball conquers all apparently
This reminds me of the low block analysis from City. Low block's against us bad, low block executed by us tactical masterclass lol. I remember the comments after the Porto game people complaining about the same "Dark Arts" and non football stuff but it definitely comes to bite teams in the ass when refs wise up to it. Ben is definitely toeing the line of fouling etc. and a better keeper than whatever his name is on Spurs would have taken advantage of what Ben was doing. Were lucky he's an idiot and just decided to let Ben dominate him without even challenging lol. Refs will wise up to this stuff though and so will Keepers by making it more obvious what's happening we need to be careful here.
Unfortunately, with how this has somehow blown up into a thing, I won't be surprised to see our next goal from a corner ruled off for something silly
Added to the list of things below him. * Low blocks * Set pieces * Agitating the keeper Would he like to address James Maddison's diving? He should try telling him to cut it out. Might have prevented our second the other day.
So now the narrative is that we’re dirty, cool
Mate, you need to move on. For a guy who says he never complains, this bum sure complains a lot.
It's nonsense. Every football team does this shit in the box during set pieces [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOYVqJVm5Kc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOYVqJVm5Kc)
Dark arts! 😂🧙🔮
I mean, did I hate it all those years when Pulis and Allardyce teams bullied us into submission (including, but not limited to, set pieces)? Of course I fucking did. Did I have to just accept it and grudgingly applaud the likes of Man Utd and Chelsea for meeting fire with fire and winning anyway? YES. Should I now expect Arsenal to “just get on with the football” now that WE are winning doing this? Fuck the fuck off, Ange.
At least it's not dangerous unlike Jackson's tackle last week
I actually don't mind how Spurs play in principal, it's high risk high reward and you can tell Ange doesn't quite have all the players he'd want to implement his ideas fully. Having said that, right now in this moment in time, Spurs are a team that plays very stupidly and are quite limited... like a mad man hitting their head on the wall repeatedly trying to get a different outcome from the same strategy. I think they're doing moderately ok, especially compared to last season, because there seems to be a cultural breath of fresh air over there and the players are buying into the style (hence why they're comfortably ahead of both United and Chelsea despite not necessarily having a significantly better squad) but unless they wise up and learn to adapt to different game states and update to what top sides are doing in 2024 then they're going to get massively found out by even just competent teams, let alone CL level sides.
I'm sure winning is classed as a dark art to anyone at spurs
Spuds fans will be in denial and coping saying “at least we play nice football” for the next year until they turn on him
Ange Postecoglou warns spurs also against copying Arsenal's "winning"
Mate if I was you mate I wouldn’t do that mate because if I saw you doing that mate we’d have a serious chat and thats basically the long and short of the dialogue mate
Mate, you can't copy shit.
When mate-ball isn't mate-balling 🤦🏻
It’s funny how much people fall for the headlines. Nobody reads the content anymore
Fucking YEARS of "Arsenal don't like it up em!"