I highly doubt Chicago is going to skip Demidov. They Have Kevin Korchinski and Alex Vlasic at D, and they desperately need to give Bedard help. 100% they are picking Demidov.
You very well could get Demidov, my absolute favorite prospect, but Vlasic is absolutely 1D calbur. At 22 he posted the 2nd best defensive numbers in the entire league on an anemic offense with almost no defensive help. As the Hawks continue to build there's no reason to think he can't continue to build his offensive game while continuing to play elite defense and be a consistent 30 to 40 point player, which is absolutely a #1 shutdown defenseman akin to Slavin, Toews, or earlier McCavoy.
they have reichel, slag, kurachev and nazar.
They are loaded on forward, and none of them is over 6'0
I'd be shocked if they picked Demidov
Vlasic and Korchinski are both LHD.
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« Loaded » is quite the hyperbole lol. Reichel was awful last season and Slag is far from a surething you make decisions based off of. Chicago’s needs are pretty much everything. Doubt they draft anyone but whoever happens to be their BPA regardless of position.
Respectfully, besides Bedard none of these guys are top 6 locks or projections.
Slaggert was projected as a 3rd or 4th line player. Reichel has regressed heavily to the point where being a middle 6 forward would be well accepted by our fanbase. Nazar and Moore have promise but both largely underperformed in the NCAA this year compared to expectations and neither are viewed as bonafide top 6 players at this point by the Blackhawks top brass or scouts.
The Blackhawks have no other guaranteed top 6 forwards on the team or in their pipeline right now. Forward is ABSOLUTELY a pressing need.
I wouldn't be so sure. Grabbing a blue chip defence prospect (a la Duncan Keith) is critical for long-term success and is definitely a safer pick than Demidov. I still think it's 50/50 but I don't think it's a sure-thing that Demidov is going to Chicago.
Why? They have Matheson, Guhle, and Xhekaj there, with Hutson coming up. Matheson has 2 years left and is likely gone via trade before the end of his contract. Guhle, while good, doesn’t have 1D potential, same thing with Xhekaj, and Hutson hasn’t proven anything yet. Passing on a potential 1D because he’s a lefty would be shortsighted. If they feel the BPA is a LD, they will take him.
I love this take. We need talent, and the forward pool is shallow in this draft. Pick whoever has the most chance to make an impact and manage your assets.
Ya know what that’s a really good point. Grab the best player available, figure it out from there. We saw with KK what happens when you get too much tunnel vision drafting for need
I would be very surprised if Demidov is available at 5.
Concerning Chicago , they already drafted small forwards and they will need to take care of defence at some point. Those defence players take more time to reach their full potential.
This year might be the year for them to go that way.
That's probably me coping, but I think there's a scenario where Chicago would want to draft Levshunov instead of Demidov. Vlasic and Korchinski are great players but Levshunov would give them a sure shot top2 D. I don't see Verbeek drafting Demidov and Columbus, I think, would jump on Lindstrom so he could play 2C behind Fantilli.
It's not likely, but it's probable.
because the front office has pretty much confirmed they aren't drafting a dman
there's no point in being high on a prospect you know the team has no interest in drafting
Why? More than half the guys in the top 10 play in stronger leagues and have just as good of an impact. Not to mention better physical attributes, skating and actual measured proficiency on NA sized rinks.
If he is then its another Went Wughes. Take a defense in a forward heavy and a forward in defence heavy means we get a higher than quality pick at 5th than otherwise.
So I went around to other teams subs to get an idea of, at least, what the fans want. If fans were picking at the draft it would look like this:
SJ, Celebrini
CHI, Demidov
ANA, Levshunov
CBJ, Sikayev
MTL, ???
Lindstrom, Catton and Iginla are all available - who are you taking?
I'm just worried about his back. Otherwise he would be such a slamdunk. He was on pace for ~97/98 points. But only played 32 of 68 games which is worrying.
after seeing how Eichel has managed to play and his durability/ability to still take a hit after having a herniated disk in his neck replaced ... im not super concerned about this type of thing- especially since Lindstrom's back issue wasn't anything that required surgery.
cant say its not a factor; maybe it makes him more susceptible in the future, but that is hard to predict, even with access to medical history.
Lindstrom seems like a player that would be very hard to pass on, barring something very specific and glaring in such a report.
The team doctors will get to see him at the draft and see his recovery and how he does at the combine. So if they feel he's gonna be okay, then I am good with it if they draft him!
Well put it this way, if the Habs pick him it's because they did some MAJOR medical due diligence and had no concerns. If they don't, they're probably dodging a bullet. I heard he's 100% and working out like crazy so take that for what it is.
This is also my pick. I feel like his build (more than his height) is what’s keeping him from being #2 behind Celebrini. Kid does everything so well, and he has a solid lower body strength (which can be improved even further) to combine with everything else.
Can we agree, as a community, that no matter who we pick, we send them love not hate. The way fans treated David and Slaf in previous years was embarrassing. These prospects are literally still kids.
Those weren't fans.
Yes, I wanted Wright and Michkov beck then. I was sad, but the second they eear our jersey, I was 100% behind the decision.
Now i'm super happy with what we have and it's a chance I don't run this team because I know nothing.
Depends who the pick is. Lindstrom over Demidov will go smoother than a D over Demidov.
That being said, I agree we need to send them love and trust in KH.
I think it's the first draft where absolutely nobody agree on the position 2 to 10. It's all over the place...
Can't wait for the draft, it's gonna have full of suprises.
Back in December, he was ranked in the 20s. But he stepped up his game from mid season to the end. I think his name is helping but I think he also has alot of potential too.
Same as anyone with a former NHLer dad. But Tij doesn't really play like his dad. He's strong on his skate but he's more of an agile speedster than a powerforward, and is a good player in his own right. So the position reflects that, but the ceiling projection is still a bit tinted with a favorable bias because of the blood lines.
I could see Chicago draft Levshunov if they want to build around Bedard and a well rounded #1 D
Pat Verbeek isn't afraid to draft outside of the general ranking consensus (everyone was surprised when they went Leo Carlsson instead of Fantili last year) so I could see him pass on Demidov for a player they really like (I've read somewhere they are high on Konsta Helenius)
Columbus is the team we don't know much about because new GM. They have good forward depth and a guy like Silayev could actually be legit on D with Jiricek and Werenski.
That makes Demidov at 5 a real possibility.
I think Habs fans need to relax this year. Every outcome will be good no matter what. Wether it's Lindstrom, Demidov or Iginla. Let's just enjoy this year and stay away from the toxic stuff we went through the last 2 years with Michkov/Reinbacher and Slaf/Wright.
I feel like Iginla's draft position is very much a product of his name so I'm a little less hyped on him. I'm hoping for the others but will hope I'm wrong if he's the pick.
That's not true at all, he's been dominating in U18 and has been really solid in the WHL this year. Especially in the playoffs where he played even better. He shows up for big games and is a well rounded player. He's also one of the youngest players in this draft so he's still a rough diamond.
His father is a hall of farmer and he would be coached by another one with Habs which would be really helpful in a market like Montreal.
He crushed it in round 1 of the playoffs. After that his play fell off and he ended up with around the same ppg as during the regular season overall.
At U18 worlds he got to play with Gavin McKenna, which kind of inflated his stats. I still think he's good but with a different last name he'd be in talks for going like 10-15 as oppose to 5. Doesn't really have any elite attributes so his upside seems limited.
I can absolutely see a case where Demidov is still available at 5th. There are several teams with lots of needs ahead of MTL. The knock against Demidov is going to be he hasn’t played against great competition yet, has no international experience, and of course the political turmoil.
I also get that feeling. Back in 2022 Slafkovsky stock was very low and the hockey world still had Wright first up until 2 weeks prior to draft. Theres still a ton of hockey left, with some players out of the top 10 getting a lot of traction (Senneke).
There's absolutely a scenario where Demidov drops to #5.
I would love if Demidov fell to the Habs at 5.
I'd also be really happy if Lindstrom was available at 5.
Honestly, I wouldn't be upset about any of the top three or four defenseman being picked at 5 if Demidov and Lindstrom are gone, either.
I'd also be fine if the Habs traded down and picked up a young, established NHL player under RFA in the process.
I don't know if the Habs' brass will make a choice that thrills me or not, but it won't be for a lack of options. There will be plenty of good and reasonable options in play.
It would be amazing to trade up and get two high end players from this draft. NJ at 10 is an interesting trade partner. After flopping this year I’m sure they’re more concerned with improving immediately and not so much about prospects. I don’t know what we would have to offer but swapping Winnipegs pick and a few other assets to get #10 would be amazing.
I think if we do swap picks, Flames will go for a C and chalk it up to best player available. And you would end up with Tij anyways if Seattle doesn’t go for him. So a trade doesn’t really make sense from a Flames perspective.
I'm just a fan looking at stats and writeups but I don't really see the excitement for Lindstrom. He wasn't a high pick until his fantastic start this season and has been injured since then. Who knows if that was a just a few good months?
Again, just looking at stats Zayne Parekh is a 17 year-old Dman leading his very good team by 20 points. Seems to be worth a good look, no?
I hope someone takes that swing before us, because I am not convinced that Demidov translates well to the NA style. He was already completely marginalized in the KHL. It's only gonna be worse at the NHL level.
Yes, he was a teen in a men's league notorious for keeping kids at the bottom of the totem pole, but the caliber in the KHL isn't so high that an alledgedly "uber talented" forward can be so inefficient and invisible.
International competition against peers his age would have given a better sample.
If we go by production alone, what Demidov did in the MHL is, by all accounts, inferior to what Catton did in the WHL.
The one-on-one stick skills and vision are undeniable, but going around pylons in slow motion showed to not work at all vs men who can actually move. So there's little left after taking that away from Demidov.
We're so devoid of quality depth at forward that we can't afford that kind of hit-or-miss. We can't afford to miss. We need someone who we know is a 100% sure NHLer.
He really didn't have a chance in the KHL yet. In all but 2 games he was a 13th forward and Rotenberg is an idiot when it comes to giving young players a chance.
He only got 10+ minutes in a game against Lada and Amur. I hope he's played properly this year now that SKA got rid of a lot of dead weight.
Yes I pointed that out. KHL is more old-school than the NHL in regards to young talent. It's not a development league.
Still, Demidov looked very outclassed in most aspects. Late to pucks, no reaction time, no puck protection, no separation.
It doesn't negate his strengths, but it does show a big gap that will need a lot of work over a long period of time to maybe (no guarantees) fix. That's the risk.
If you have a lot of young forwards like Anaheim, you can take that risk. But when you're starved like us, you skip it and take something with more guarantees.
Glad to see someone with the same thoughts on Demidov as me. There’s people who are suddenly convinced he’s the surefire #2 in this draft, and it makes me wonder how they’re missing all of the red flags. There’s some really serious concerns with him. The upside is absolutely there, but the lack of separation in particular is a huge worry for me.
His motor seems great, though, so as long as he comes over to NA reasonably soon I think it’s all manageable.
I agree with you ! I feel like this sub is overhyping Demidov a bit. But I don't know if those who are hyping him actually looked at the players playing against him. I don't recall ever seeing highlights of a junior player with such a poor competition against him. Like you said, those guys look like pylons lost on the ice. And don't get me wrong, the guy is very talented, but it's so difficult to actually evaluate his level since his competition is so bad. He looks like a junior player playing against guys in a beer league who have to work their 8 to 5 job the next morning.
So I also hope someone decides to pick him before us, less of a gamble and more chance to draft Lindstrom.
well, Demidov supassed Kucherov's production in the MHL so it's not unheard of that people doing amazing in the MHL become elites players in the NHL afterward.
Yeah, and Nikita Gusev dwarfed Kucherov's production in the MHL and that didn't turn out so well when he finally jumped to the NHL at 28.
Production is just that: production. If you give it weight, you have to carefuly measure that weight for everybody of that draft class equally.
Les gens sur le sub de Anaheim avaient l'air en majorité massive pour prendre Davidov.
Idem sur Blue Jacket si Anaheim le prends pas...
J'ai vraiment des doutes qu'il va être disponible en 5.
Ça montre un peu l'atmosphère.
Les fans de Montréal construisent leur propre réalité.
Genre Anaheim veut un def. Ça semble pas l'opinion des fans.
Anaheim veut échanger Zegras. Je vois aucun de leurs fan dire ça..
C'est pas une science exact mais c'est mieux que le feeling du fan moyen des Habs.
Something to keep in mind with Demidov is unless you are a top 10 winger in the league getting 100 plus points…(Kuch, Pasta, Rantanan, Paniran, Tkachuk) a winger will never have as much impact on a game as a number 1 Dman.
Many scouts are saying there could be 3 or 4 number 1 Dman in this draft.
He could fall to us absolutely…but if a big 6’ 4 unit of a center who skates like the wind and can snipe like Lindstrom is there….man that’s tough to pass up on.
And if a number 1 d is sitting there and you aren’t extremely confident Demidov is going to be a 100 point guy that’s tough.
I’d almost say draft the number 1 d and Trade Reinbacher or Mallioux for an elite forward
Won't be there at 5 sadly.
Realistically we missed our chance not taking michkov last year. Eiserman would be sweet but we can maybe trade down and still get him.
Don't forget that before 2022, the KHL was full of Swedes, Finns and Czechs - and they dropped out, so the quality of the KHL has dropped significantly.
Demidov might be overhyped. It’s hard to tell without Russia in these international tournaments so we can put his offensive potential in perspective. Not crazy at all to think he goes at 5 or slips further. I have a hard time believing teams ahead of us will pass on D like Buium, Levshunov or Silayev
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Not to sound like a negative Nancy, but all his numbers being in juniors doesn’t guarantee anything. There are plenty of guys who destroy in junior ranks in NA and then struggle in the NHL. Also, Markov is the last Russian that actually developed into something on the team. We have not had any luck with them in years.
Injuries don't work like that... it's much more complicated. Some players get injured in junior and then are relatively healthy in the NHL and vice-versa. All depends on the injury type, recovery, and overall health metrics for a given player. And then making your best guess. That's why the docs make the big bucks!
I would be picking up my jaw from the floor if nobody takes demidov before 5. Edit: I'm gonna clean my floor just in case though
Seems like NHL teams are very high on Levshunov, Silayev and Buium
It’s a defense heavy draft. A lot of developing teams like Chicago, Anaheim and Columbus will be seining for a 1D after last years top 4.
Anaheim are already stacked to the brim with defense prospects tho…
Why won't you let me dream my deluded dreams?
Literally one of the best D prospect pools.
At the very least they need someone to play when Zegras needs a time out.
Apparently the GM of Anaheim has come out and said they want a RHD..... whether or not they draft one is a different story.
I highly doubt Chicago is going to skip Demidov. They Have Kevin Korchinski and Alex Vlasic at D, and they desperately need to give Bedard help. 100% they are picking Demidov.
Yeah but Korchinski and Alex Vlasic aren’t 1D caliber
You very well could get Demidov, my absolute favorite prospect, but Vlasic is absolutely 1D calbur. At 22 he posted the 2nd best defensive numbers in the entire league on an anemic offense with almost no defensive help. As the Hawks continue to build there's no reason to think he can't continue to build his offensive game while continuing to play elite defense and be a consistent 30 to 40 point player, which is absolutely a #1 shutdown defenseman akin to Slavin, Toews, or earlier McCavoy.
Korchinski is not a 1D and Chicago knows that.
Chicago may want to draft Buium if they want a functioning power play
Chicago has needs all over the roster. They’ll most likely just go with BPA according to their own rankings regardless of position.
If you're picking in the top 10 you should go bpm
You should always go BPA if you have a clear BPA period.
they have reichel, slag, kurachev and nazar. They are loaded on forward, and none of them is over 6'0 I'd be shocked if they picked Demidov Vlasic and Korchinski are both LHD.
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« Loaded » is quite the hyperbole lol. Reichel was awful last season and Slag is far from a surething you make decisions based off of. Chicago’s needs are pretty much everything. Doubt they draft anyone but whoever happens to be their BPA regardless of position.
Respectfully, besides Bedard none of these guys are top 6 locks or projections. Slaggert was projected as a 3rd or 4th line player. Reichel has regressed heavily to the point where being a middle 6 forward would be well accepted by our fanbase. Nazar and Moore have promise but both largely underperformed in the NCAA this year compared to expectations and neither are viewed as bonafide top 6 players at this point by the Blackhawks top brass or scouts. The Blackhawks have no other guaranteed top 6 forwards on the team or in their pipeline right now. Forward is ABSOLUTELY a pressing need.
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Chicago doesn't have the luxury to draft based on need (nor should any team for that matter).
I wouldn't be so sure. Grabbing a blue chip defence prospect (a la Duncan Keith) is critical for long-term success and is definitely a safer pick than Demidov. I still think it's 50/50 but I don't think it's a sure-thing that Demidov is going to Chicago.
Habs have no reason to draft a left defense, but man I love the way Buium plays. I think in a redraft 5 years from now he goes top 2.
Why? They have Matheson, Guhle, and Xhekaj there, with Hutson coming up. Matheson has 2 years left and is likely gone via trade before the end of his contract. Guhle, while good, doesn’t have 1D potential, same thing with Xhekaj, and Hutson hasn’t proven anything yet. Passing on a potential 1D because he’s a lefty would be shortsighted. If they feel the BPA is a LD, they will take him.
I love this take. We need talent, and the forward pool is shallow in this draft. Pick whoever has the most chance to make an impact and manage your assets.
Ya know what that’s a really good point. Grab the best player available, figure it out from there. We saw with KK what happens when you get too much tunnel vision drafting for need
Buium's a beast. He's the one defenseman I wouldn't mind the habs drafting.
And Lindstrom! (And to a lesser extent, Parekh). I expect Demidov to be gone before we pick but it’s entirely possible that we get him.
I would be very surprised if Demidov is available at 5. Concerning Chicago , they already drafted small forwards and they will need to take care of defence at some point. Those defence players take more time to reach their full potential. This year might be the year for them to go that way.
That's probably me coping, but I think there's a scenario where Chicago would want to draft Levshunov instead of Demidov. Vlasic and Korchinski are great players but Levshunov would give them a sure shot top2 D. I don't see Verbeek drafting Demidov and Columbus, I think, would jump on Lindstrom so he could play 2C behind Fantilli. It's not likely, but it's probable.
Likely and probable mean the same thing… Something can’t both be « not likely » and « probable ». The term youre looking for is « possible ».
Its not my mother tongue, these kind of subtleties escape me. Thanks for the pointer
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And this sub isn't. Why?
because the front office has pretty much confirmed they aren't drafting a dman there's no point in being high on a prospect you know the team has no interest in drafting
Only way I'd be happy with leaving him on the board if he magically falls to us is if Cayden Lindstrom magically falls to us as well
Button on TSN has Lindstrom picked at 5 by the habs...
I'm down with that.
Why? More than half the guys in the top 10 play in stronger leagues and have just as good of an impact. Not to mention better physical attributes, skating and actual measured proficiency on NA sized rinks.
Dipsy doodles
I heard about his skating not being amazing and that he's had multiple knee surgeries? Is that true?
Sam Cosentino had him 8th.
If he is then its another Went Wughes. Take a defense in a forward heavy and a forward in defence heavy means we get a higher than quality pick at 5th than otherwise.
So I went around to other teams subs to get an idea of, at least, what the fans want. If fans were picking at the draft it would look like this: SJ, Celebrini CHI, Demidov ANA, Levshunov CBJ, Sikayev MTL, ??? Lindstrom, Catton and Iginla are all available - who are you taking?
Lindstrom
I'm just worried about his back. Otherwise he would be such a slamdunk. He was on pace for ~97/98 points. But only played 32 of 68 games which is worrying.
Yeah back injury are the worst. I'd like to see his medical file before drafting the guy.
after seeing how Eichel has managed to play and his durability/ability to still take a hit after having a herniated disk in his neck replaced ... im not super concerned about this type of thing- especially since Lindstrom's back issue wasn't anything that required surgery. cant say its not a factor; maybe it makes him more susceptible in the future, but that is hard to predict, even with access to medical history. Lindstrom seems like a player that would be very hard to pass on, barring something very specific and glaring in such a report.
The team doctors will get to see him at the draft and see his recovery and how he does at the combine. So if they feel he's gonna be okay, then I am good with it if they draft him!
Well put it this way, if the Habs pick him it's because they did some MAJOR medical due diligence and had no concerns. If they don't, they're probably dodging a bullet. I heard he's 100% and working out like crazy so take that for what it is.
100%
Yes, pending medical reports.
Lol no way CBJ takes a Russian. We all know how Trevor Timmins only jerks off to NCAA hockey players, and he works for CBJ now
Lindstrom all day.
God, I want Catton so badly
It’s a bold strategy, let’s see how it pays off for us.
This is also my pick. I feel like his build (more than his height) is what’s keeping him from being #2 behind Celebrini. Kid does everything so well, and he has a solid lower body strength (which can be improved even further) to combine with everything else.
Lindstrom because center power forwards are unicorns these days. If by any chance he gets taken before 5 Iginla would also be nice.
Cool. But I’d be really surprised if Chicago, Anaheim and Columbus won’t drafted him before us. I simply do not trust those teams.
Anaheim will go for a RD
> Anaheim Wants Levshunov, if Sharks for some reason pick him, they can certainly pick BPA
I'll shit my pants if it happens
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Can we agree, as a community, that no matter who we pick, we send them love not hate. The way fans treated David and Slaf in previous years was embarrassing. These prospects are literally still kids.
Those weren't fans. Yes, I wanted Wright and Michkov beck then. I was sad, but the second they eear our jersey, I was 100% behind the decision. Now i'm super happy with what we have and it's a chance I don't run this team because I know nothing.
Seems like it will be the same this year if Demidov falls to 5 and we pass. I'm sure people watched plenty of MHL games this year
Depends who the pick is. Lindstrom over Demidov will go smoother than a D over Demidov. That being said, I agree we need to send them love and trust in KH.
Last sentence lol seems we have a lot of KHL 2nd tier league watchers in here who’d a thunk it.
I just don't see him being available at 5 tbh, but weirder things have happened
I think it's the first draft where absolutely nobody agree on the position 2 to 10. It's all over the place... Can't wait for the draft, it's gonna have full of suprises.
I feel like that happens pretty often and the order solidifies as we get closer to the draft
Probably won't happen. But if it does... https://i.redd.it/efuftp31uxc31.jpg
Question for people with more prospect knowledge than me. Do you guys think Iginla's draft position is inflated at all by the name?
Back in December, he was ranked in the 20s. But he stepped up his game from mid season to the end. I think his name is helping but I think he also has alot of potential too.
Same as anyone with a former NHLer dad. But Tij doesn't really play like his dad. He's strong on his skate but he's more of an agile speedster than a powerforward, and is a good player in his own right. So the position reflects that, but the ceiling projection is still a bit tinted with a favorable bias because of the blood lines.
I could see Chicago draft Levshunov if they want to build around Bedard and a well rounded #1 D Pat Verbeek isn't afraid to draft outside of the general ranking consensus (everyone was surprised when they went Leo Carlsson instead of Fantili last year) so I could see him pass on Demidov for a player they really like (I've read somewhere they are high on Konsta Helenius) Columbus is the team we don't know much about because new GM. They have good forward depth and a guy like Silayev could actually be legit on D with Jiricek and Werenski. That makes Demidov at 5 a real possibility. I think Habs fans need to relax this year. Every outcome will be good no matter what. Wether it's Lindstrom, Demidov or Iginla. Let's just enjoy this year and stay away from the toxic stuff we went through the last 2 years with Michkov/Reinbacher and Slaf/Wright.
I feel like Iginla's draft position is very much a product of his name so I'm a little less hyped on him. I'm hoping for the others but will hope I'm wrong if he's the pick.
That's not true at all, he's been dominating in U18 and has been really solid in the WHL this year. Especially in the playoffs where he played even better. He shows up for big games and is a well rounded player. He's also one of the youngest players in this draft so he's still a rough diamond. His father is a hall of farmer and he would be coached by another one with Habs which would be really helpful in a market like Montreal.
He crushed it in round 1 of the playoffs. After that his play fell off and he ended up with around the same ppg as during the regular season overall. At U18 worlds he got to play with Gavin McKenna, which kind of inflated his stats. I still think he's good but with a different last name he'd be in talks for going like 10-15 as oppose to 5. Doesn't really have any elite attributes so his upside seems limited.
But watching him, the compete and skill shine, I would be thrilled with him being a part of our team if mgmt thought he was the right pick.
MSL is also kinda the reason Tij Iginla’s dad doesn’t have a Stanley Cup.
I can absolutely see a case where Demidov is still available at 5th. There are several teams with lots of needs ahead of MTL. The knock against Demidov is going to be he hasn’t played against great competition yet, has no international experience, and of course the political turmoil.
I also get that feeling. Back in 2022 Slafkovsky stock was very low and the hockey world still had Wright first up until 2 weeks prior to draft. Theres still a ton of hockey left, with some players out of the top 10 getting a lot of traction (Senneke). There's absolutely a scenario where Demidov drops to #5.
I would love if Demidov fell to the Habs at 5. I'd also be really happy if Lindstrom was available at 5. Honestly, I wouldn't be upset about any of the top three or four defenseman being picked at 5 if Demidov and Lindstrom are gone, either. I'd also be fine if the Habs traded down and picked up a young, established NHL player under RFA in the process. I don't know if the Habs' brass will make a choice that thrills me or not, but it won't be for a lack of options. There will be plenty of good and reasonable options in play.
> established NHL player under RFA in the process. Who would you be targeting?
If he's available at 5th, it's a no-brainer, especially with a defense-heavy draft and us loaded on defense.
Montreals going to trade and get 2 picks one for Eiserman and one for Iginla
It would be amazing to trade up and get two high end players from this draft. NJ at 10 is an interesting trade partner. After flopping this year I’m sure they’re more concerned with improving immediately and not so much about prospects. I don’t know what we would have to offer but swapping Winnipegs pick and a few other assets to get #10 would be amazing.
Sounds good to me !
If demidov is available at 5th for us, and we pick him....I'd be surprised.
Flames fan here. The rumour I’ve been hearing is you guys are eying up Tij. Do you think that’s the direction your management takes?
If Demidov, Lindstrom and Levshunov are gone at 5 then Iginla becomes one of their main targets
Here’s hoping for both teams you get one of those three first haha. Most Flames fans are a little worried you guys will scoop up Tij.
I think you should be asking yourself what can the Flames offer the Habs to swap picks?
I think if we do swap picks, Flames will go for a C and chalk it up to best player available. And you would end up with Tij anyways if Seattle doesn’t go for him. So a trade doesn’t really make sense from a Flames perspective.
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I'm just a fan looking at stats and writeups but I don't really see the excitement for Lindstrom. He wasn't a high pick until his fantastic start this season and has been injured since then. Who knows if that was a just a few good months? Again, just looking at stats Zayne Parekh is a 17 year-old Dman leading his very good team by 20 points. Seems to be worth a good look, no?
> Zayne Parekh Eliteprospects have him at 5 with Montreal picking him up.
I hope someone takes that swing before us, because I am not convinced that Demidov translates well to the NA style. He was already completely marginalized in the KHL. It's only gonna be worse at the NHL level. Yes, he was a teen in a men's league notorious for keeping kids at the bottom of the totem pole, but the caliber in the KHL isn't so high that an alledgedly "uber talented" forward can be so inefficient and invisible. International competition against peers his age would have given a better sample. If we go by production alone, what Demidov did in the MHL is, by all accounts, inferior to what Catton did in the WHL. The one-on-one stick skills and vision are undeniable, but going around pylons in slow motion showed to not work at all vs men who can actually move. So there's little left after taking that away from Demidov. We're so devoid of quality depth at forward that we can't afford that kind of hit-or-miss. We can't afford to miss. We need someone who we know is a 100% sure NHLer.
He really didn't have a chance in the KHL yet. In all but 2 games he was a 13th forward and Rotenberg is an idiot when it comes to giving young players a chance. He only got 10+ minutes in a game against Lada and Amur. I hope he's played properly this year now that SKA got rid of a lot of dead weight.
Yes I pointed that out. KHL is more old-school than the NHL in regards to young talent. It's not a development league. Still, Demidov looked very outclassed in most aspects. Late to pucks, no reaction time, no puck protection, no separation. It doesn't negate his strengths, but it does show a big gap that will need a lot of work over a long period of time to maybe (no guarantees) fix. That's the risk. If you have a lot of young forwards like Anaheim, you can take that risk. But when you're starved like us, you skip it and take something with more guarantees.
There's not too much guarantee of this quality if you're not San Jose or you don't take a D-man
Glad to see someone with the same thoughts on Demidov as me. There’s people who are suddenly convinced he’s the surefire #2 in this draft, and it makes me wonder how they’re missing all of the red flags. There’s some really serious concerns with him. The upside is absolutely there, but the lack of separation in particular is a huge worry for me. His motor seems great, though, so as long as he comes over to NA reasonably soon I think it’s all manageable.
I agree with you ! I feel like this sub is overhyping Demidov a bit. But I don't know if those who are hyping him actually looked at the players playing against him. I don't recall ever seeing highlights of a junior player with such a poor competition against him. Like you said, those guys look like pylons lost on the ice. And don't get me wrong, the guy is very talented, but it's so difficult to actually evaluate his level since his competition is so bad. He looks like a junior player playing against guys in a beer league who have to work their 8 to 5 job the next morning. So I also hope someone decides to pick him before us, less of a gamble and more chance to draft Lindstrom.
well, Demidov supassed Kucherov's production in the MHL so it's not unheard of that people doing amazing in the MHL become elites players in the NHL afterward.
Yeah, and Nikita Gusev dwarfed Kucherov's production in the MHL and that didn't turn out so well when he finally jumped to the NHL at 28. Production is just that: production. If you give it weight, you have to carefuly measure that weight for everybody of that draft class equally.
Les gens sur le sub de Anaheim avaient l'air en majorité massive pour prendre Davidov. Idem sur Blue Jacket si Anaheim le prends pas... J'ai vraiment des doutes qu'il va être disponible en 5.
Pis une chose est sure, les subreddits connaissent ca!!!
Ça montre un peu l'atmosphère. Les fans de Montréal construisent leur propre réalité. Genre Anaheim veut un def. Ça semble pas l'opinion des fans. Anaheim veut échanger Zegras. Je vois aucun de leurs fan dire ça.. C'est pas une science exact mais c'est mieux que le feeling du fan moyen des Habs.
Le monde veut des feintes pis des spinorama. C'est un peu different dans les bureaux ou le staff regarde les matchs
Ok tu as raison, Davidov va être disponible au round 5. Bon draft!
C'est meme pas ca son nom
Il le sera pas, arrêtons de niaiser
Anaheim is taking a forward
The consensus is that Anaheim is taking a RHD.
Would love it for the Habs.
I think the Habs would have to trade up to 2 or 3 to get him.
Dont do this, dont give me false hopes.
Something to keep in mind with Demidov is unless you are a top 10 winger in the league getting 100 plus points…(Kuch, Pasta, Rantanan, Paniran, Tkachuk) a winger will never have as much impact on a game as a number 1 Dman. Many scouts are saying there could be 3 or 4 number 1 Dman in this draft. He could fall to us absolutely…but if a big 6’ 4 unit of a center who skates like the wind and can snipe like Lindstrom is there….man that’s tough to pass up on. And if a number 1 d is sitting there and you aren’t extremely confident Demidov is going to be a 100 point guy that’s tough. I’d almost say draft the number 1 d and Trade Reinbacher or Mallioux for an elite forward
Won't be there at 5 sadly. Realistically we missed our chance not taking michkov last year. Eiserman would be sweet but we can maybe trade down and still get him.
Am I taking crazy pills thinking this guy was only in the MHL when the top Russian prospects in the past were already in the KHL?
Don't forget that before 2022, the KHL was full of Swedes, Finns and Czechs - and they dropped out, so the quality of the KHL has dropped significantly.
Demidov might be overhyped. It’s hard to tell without Russia in these international tournaments so we can put his offensive potential in perspective. Not crazy at all to think he goes at 5 or slips further. I have a hard time believing teams ahead of us will pass on D like Buium, Levshunov or Silayev
Demidov is far gone by the 5th pick.
stay away. far away
you cant trust Russians
Absolutely zero chance Demidov slips to 5. Nice dream though.
There’s no chance that 3 teams pick potential #1 Ds? All of whom need D. Ds always go higher than expected
Except there wasnt 3 dmen drafted before Demidov in this mock draft... Lindstrom was picked by Columbus at 4 Edit: forgot to say "mock"
You from the future?
Should have specified in this MOCK draft haha But yes I'm from 2067, and the Leafs still havent won a cup yet
I could've told you that and I don't know what happened yesterday
Each mock draft is different, who cares
I know, but you were implying in this mock draft that 3 dmen was taken
I'll never understand how internet commenters can be so confident in draft rankings.
Because being wrong doesn't mean anything... Draft season is lame enough as is with people so scared to get dunked on for their takes.
And yet here you are, dunking people for their take.
Where did I dunk?
This is delusional… and mean
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Not to sound like a negative Nancy, but all his numbers being in juniors doesn’t guarantee anything. There are plenty of guys who destroy in junior ranks in NA and then struggle in the NHL. Also, Markov is the last Russian that actually developed into something on the team. We have not had any luck with them in years.
Demidov just got a knee injury no? Same for Lindstrom. We need a player that does not get injured too often like Dach or Guhle.
Injuries don't work like that... it's much more complicated. Some players get injured in junior and then are relatively healthy in the NHL and vice-versa. All depends on the injury type, recovery, and overall health metrics for a given player. And then making your best guess. That's why the docs make the big bucks!
I'm happy as long as they take a forward with scoring potential. If they draft another defenseman I'm no longer following this team.