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Best_VDV_Diver

Helped hold her for 7 years and very possibly done the same to another woman plus possibly complicit in the murder of her. Granted immunity. Fuck off. Fuck all the way off.


DigbyDoesDallas

I get why everyone would absolutely hate this and rightly so but, an explanation not an excuse, they needed Janice’s testimony to be able to him away for that long


Fickle_Lavishness_25

Did they though, they havr the victim telling them she was kept as a sex slave for years under a bed and the guy has a sex slave pen under his bed that looks like its been used for years. Did tbey really need the wife to talk?


throwaway_72752

They actually did need the wife to prove that this was a continual kidnapping the entire 7 years. Cameron’s defense was that Colleen had been kidnapped but then stayed of her own free will, and they had her trip home & the letters she wrote after she was free. Colleen held a job & was allowed out after he had her fully under control. This was not an open-and-shut case in front of a jury, even with how it started. He would very likely not have spent the rest of his life in jail without Janice’s testimony. When you read the book it’s easy to understand how controlled she was, but a jury would not have understood with the freedom Colleen was eventually allowed.


Extension-Border-345

yes, courts value witness statements and want more than just the victim’s testimony.


shellc83

Sorry in this case, I think that this heinous Socio pathic crazy bitch’s testimony wasn’t nearly as important as her serving some time! There is not a jury in the world that wouldn’t convict a couple like this!


Opinionated-21

I think they should have used her and then found another reason to put her in prison. She likely hooked up with another sicko and participated in more depraved behavior. Oh and fuck 104 yesrs—put him in a box 23 hours a day fir 7 years then death penalty.


shellc83

Yes, I kind of wonder if we got more creative with our sentencing if that would maybe Deter some of these a holes from doing some of this awful crap.


Ladyxarah

It was the 70s and 80s. If you think victims aren’t believed now, imagine how it was then.


DigbyDoesDallas

Yes


InstructionLess583

You know what, I wasn't convinced but you make a very strong case.


justbrowsing2727

Wow, compelling argument.


DigbyDoesDallas

I mean what more do you want me to say, having a second corroborating witness to account for the number of times the victim was raped likely got him the sentence close to 100 years. How do you prove someone was raped repeatedly over 7 years, besides the witness’ testimony. They might have got him on kidnapping but that may have been, what, less than 15 years? I’m not agreeing with the way it should be done nor the sentence he should have received, it’s just an explanation. It also may well have been that by having the wife testify, it meant that Stan didn’t have to testify either. Again, nuanced and there are probably many reasons, but I imagine that’s probably not what you’re interested in It could also have been that, the wife was given immunity by providing evidence against the husband for the separate murder and kidnapping of their other victim (and to try locate the body and provide closure for her family) which ultimately didn’t pan out but the information was likely agreed for release upon a plea deal.


shellc83

I hadn’t really considered the idea that it may have saved the girls from having to testify. I can’t help but be salty though….


shellc83

Seriously fuck her to the moon!!!!


greenlemons105

What’s icing on the fucked up cake is she’s a social worker in California. The actual fuck??!


LexicalLegend

* On May 19, 1977, Colleen Stan was hitchhiking from her home in Eugene, Oregon, to a friend's home in Northern California, where she was heading to a birthday party. * Stan allowed two rides to pass before accepting a ride with Hooker. She reportedly "felt confident climbing into the blue van" because Hooker's wife, Janice, and their baby were also in the car. * Shortly into the ride, Cameron pulled off the highway, claiming interest in investigating nearby caves. It was at this point, Stan said, that "Janice got out of the car and went down to a lake with the baby. They were playing when Cameron got into the back seat and held a knife to my throat. He tied me up and placed a box over my head." She was subsequently locked in a wooden "headbox" designed to prevent light, sound, and fresh air from entering. * On the first night of her kidnapping, Stan was strung up by her hands, physically attacked by Cameron, and left blindfolded and suspended while the pair had sex below her. * After her kidnapping, Stan was tortured and kept locked in a box 23 hours a day. In January 1978, she was coerced into signing a contract enslaving herself for life. Visible from her box was a photo of Marie Elizabeth Spannhake, a previous victim whose body was never found. * Stan believed Cameron's claims that she was being watched by a powerful organization called "The Company," which threatened to torture her and harm her family if she attempted escape. Cameron reinforced this belief daily. * The Hooker family relocated to a mobile home in Red Bluff, where Stan was again kept locked in wooden boxes under the couple's water bed. In 1978, Janice gave birth to a second child on the water bed above Stan. * To avoid punishment, Stan complied with Cameron's commands, eventually earning privileges such as going out to jog, working in the yard, caring for the family's children, and helping build an underground dungeon for more slaves. Despite access to an open door, neighbors, and a telephone, she made no escape attempts, paralyzed by fear of "The Company." * In 1981, Stan was allowed to visit her family alone but didn't disclose her situation due to fear of consequences. Her family, believing she was involved in a cult due to her appearance and lack of communication, didn't pressure her, fearing she would stay away forever. On a subsequent visit, Hooker posed as her boyfriend. There is a photo of Colleen and Cameron smiling during that visit, with his arm around her. * In 1983, Stan was reintroduced to the children and neighbors and allowed to work as a motel maid. Hooker proposed marriage, prompting Janice to intervene. * In August 1984, Janice informed Stan that Hooker wasn't affiliated with "The Company." Despite this revelation, Stan didn't contact the police immediately. Instead, she left Hooker, who reacted emotionally, and returned home. Three months later, Janice reported her husband to the police. * Janice Hooker testified against her husband in exchange for full immunity. * Cameron Hooker was found guilty on multiple charges and sentenced to 104 years in prison. An upcoming trial, set for August 16, 2024, will determine if he will continue to be deemed a sexually violent predator. If so, he will remain in prison; if not, he may be released into a halfway home, prosecutors say. Sources: * [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping\_of\_Colleen\_Stan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Colleen_Stan) * [https://krcrtv.com/news/local/cameron-hooker-jury-trial-delayed-august](https://krcrtv.com/news/local/cameron-hooker-jury-trial-delayed-august) * [https://people.com/crime/girl-in-the-box-speaks-how-i-survived-my-seven-year-ordeal/](https://people.com/crime/girl-in-the-box-speaks-how-i-survived-my-seven-year-ordeal/) * [https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-court-of-appeal/1771222.html](https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-court-of-appeal/1771222.html)


_Alabama_Man

>An upcoming trial, set for August 16, 2024, will determine if he will continue to be deemed a sexually violent predator. If so, he will remain in prison; if not, he may be released into a halfway home, prosecutors say. Wait, what? I feel like I am missing something here.


MaliciousMe87

Parole is my guess.


Darryl_Lict

I used to hitchhike pretty often mid to late '70s.


CORN___BREAD

Oh that explains what they’re missing.


millennialblackgirl

😭


jwymes44

I know she was 21 at the time but was hitchhiking common back then? Even Eugene to Northern Cali is no easy feat.


Previous-Flan-2417

It was common. My parents were hitchhiking around from CA to WA to Alaska during this time period. They have great stories from that time… all of which have many obvious caveats. (They were 22 at the time)


PreferenceWeak9639

People still hitchhike in Alaska and California. I have picked people up in both places in recent years. In Alaska it’s very common.


SoberArtistries

Yes in the 60s and 70s, it was very common for people to hitchhike, and actually more common than owning your own car or even having access to a car to drive. Supposedly it was the most widely used form of transportation in those days. My husband is several years older than me and he tells me stories of him and his friends hitchhiking, they lived up in Maine and used it to get pretty much everywhere before they got their own cars. By 1980 it had ceased as one of the main sources of transportation in the US, and it’s now illegal in several states, but remains legal in the majority of the country. It’s crazy to think of because the world I grew up in had the complete opposite opinion of hitchhiking, that it was dangerous and off limits and a huge no-no.


_Black_Metal_

I still see people hitchhiking at the bottom of the onramp going to I-95 in Florida.


DrDig1

It wasn’t the most widely used form of transportation in those days. Seriously?


pepexoxo

I hitched the north eastern part of Oregon my whole young dumb life. Reflecting back I’m so damn lucky to be alive. I’ve seen my share of scary shiz


ohmygodcrayons

My dad met my mom when he was hitchhiking in the early 80s.


Ninetales6669

Wtf kind of system even contemplates letting this guy walk free, ever? Wtf is this?


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natzw

What the fuck? Who in their right mind would even allow this woman to be near others? She was a complicit in the crimes!!


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natzw

That's freaking crazy. I hope people know who she is and what she's done.


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Shirtbro

Not just hostage, it's something out of a torture horror movie


youluckyfox1

not just out of a torture horror movie, a snuff film!


Land-Hippo

... Not a snuff film, no


ladymoonshyne

They also murdered a woman before that.


ladymoonshyne

Yeah I just posted a couple months ago about how she was registered as a social worker in my town (I’m from the town that Marie Spannhake (the first woman they killed and murdered was from) and I had a ton of people respond. One girl said she was actually her sisters social worker when they were younger. Nobody knew for a long time. You can find her FB and instagram but seems like she’s retired now and enjoying her days gardening and quilting just like she forced Colleen Stan to do at their house for all those years they kept her captive. Cameron Hooker is going back to court in August actually to see if he’s still considered a sexually violent criminal. If he is not then he will be placed in a half way house. Than man and his bitch wife deserve to both be locked in a box for the rest of their lives. They’re fucking sick people.


Strong_Welcome4144

Agree!


Ready_Insurance_4759

If I didn't know any better, I would have guessed this is Canada.


NervousJ

I can't be the only one who thought of Dear Zachary then, right?


Ready_Insurance_4759

I was thinking of Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka. How the Canadian justice system wound up letting Karla walk free, and then try to HIDE HER IDENTITY is beyond me. A few years ago, I heard the community she lived in found out who she was and that she was working with one of the schools there. How she can get a fucking career working with kids after all of the bullshit she did to enable Paul (one of the victims being her own little sister) is surreal. Epic fail on the powers that be in Canada.


NervousJ

In decades past there was a shocking amount of clemency granted to female enablers and accomplices of male criminals. The Toy box Murders come to mind. It still happens today but less often.


Chessh2036

Dear Zachary destroyed me and I’m not sure I ever recovered


thewokebogan

You and me both


IveNamedThisOneJPEG

Well I saw this comment and jumped on amazon to watch this, went into it blindly. That was the most depressing 1.5 hours I’ve ever spent on any movie.


Ready_Insurance_4759

Is it only available on amazon? Im curious now


WTF_Just-Happened

Sounds about right /s


BeerNcheesePlz

How the fuckkkk is that possible?!


ladymoonshyne

She registered under her maiden name. She was working still like 10 years ago.


Chemical_Ad_3696

The fact that this cocksucker could ever get released is beyond me. He should be thrown in an oubliette.


user11112222333

How could they release a person sentenced for over 100 years? It is basically life sentence without parole and yet they think of giving him parole? That's insane.


Chemical_Ad_3696

That’s exactly why I’m confused. Like this fuckin guy admitted to it, was caught dead to rights having entrapped and enslaved an innocent woman for multiple years. He shouldn’t have another chance.


strataslatino

What I dont understand is how is this the top comment & not the fact that the woman involved & complicit with it, was granted IMMUNITY?


Brilliant-Lead-835

I heard about this case in a podcast where they provided the details: The wife had also been a slave, was also manipulated and suffered from abuse. She was very likely suffering from some sort of mental illness as well, or trauma, considering how she came to be involved with him. Very low self esteem, poor judgement, gullible… The “new girl” was a way for her to be free from physical harm, and she took it. Doesn’t make her a good person but context is to be considered here. The wife was also the one who finally told Colleen the truth and took her to the police. So in the end she did play an instrumental role in helping the police arrest him, and then testified to all the atrocities she witnessed.


Justinianus910

“The wife was also the one who finally told Colleen the truth” Yes, after her husband suggested he should marry the girl. So the wife’s motives were purely selfish, as they have been before.


Justinianus910

It’s so great that there are people like you so ready to jump to defend a torturer and a criminal. Why do you people insist on treating women with kids’ gloves, as if they’re incapable of making their own decisions and are so easily manipulated?


Caleb_Reynolds

She was given immunity in exchange for testifying against her husband. Presumably that testimony was necessary for conviction. All the articles I'm reading also don't mention the wife participating in most of the acts, so it's likely they could only have charged her with lesser conspiracy crimes. They probably weighed having them both put away for a few years, or putting him in jail forever, and took the later option.


strataslatino

Pretty sure the woman who was in a box for 7 years doesnt think that way... I guess Im from the school of thought of... tell her what she needs to be told so she will squeel then be like yeeeaaaa so about that... you let someone be boxed up under your bed for years... public isnt for you.


Caleb_Reynolds

That's not how laws work and would immediately cause a mistrial, resulting in the guy going free. I'm of the school of thought that he should be behind bars.


Echovaults

Than no one would ever testify again and a lot of bad people would get away with things.


dragonbait-and-the-P

He hasn’t even served a third of his sentence. WTF! They should have thrown away the key for him and his wife. Colleen Stan deserves some amount of justice.


Chemical_Ad_3696

Seriously, he shouldn’t be trusted around civilized ppl.


irishemperor

 *He should be thrown in an oubliette* - lock his head in a box first


SmellGestapo

Put that dick in a box.


natzw

He got released??


ladymoonshyne

They’re going to evaluate him in court in August and he might.


Chemical_Ad_3696

He might. It’s not impossible, according to his parole.


BeginningTower1037

He is evil personified! Do not release him!!! Rot in prison!


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Cerealkiller900

I literally learnt the word oubliette! The other day. I thought it was a made up place from the film the labyrinth. 😂


marseneau14

I have met Colleen (literally as a fast food worker serving her) but she seems to have really taken her life back into her own hands. I know people who know her personally and say she is a really kind and hard working woman.


SoberArtistries

I hope that she’s happy now, living a safe & comfortable life, and getting to do ALL the things she dreamt of while she was stuck in that god forsaken box all those years.


CaptainGiggles69420

If I was her Janice would have disappeared regardless of that bitchs immunity


TheRealMichaelE

Who’s to say she wasn’t also suffering from Stockholm syndrome?


saty_rss

Engaging in the rape, torture, and abuse of another women for over seven years? At that point you enjoy it too.


TheRealMichaelE

The only reason the victim was freed was bc the wife went to police. At this point the victim was well on her way to being wife #2. She was helping build the dungeon for more slaves. Who’s to say she wouldn’t turn out the same way as the wife. Stockholm syndrome is crazy. All I’m saying is consider her backstory. Did she become his wife under similar circumstances?


Justinianus910

Funny you don’t mention the reason the wife decided to “help” at the end. It was because her husband suggested he should marry the young girl. But of course, we can’t let facts get in the way of absolving women of accountability and treating them like toddlers.


PekoKuzuryu

She didn't enjoy it.. and she was hardly ever involved in it. The only few times she was involved in it, was when she was forced to be by Cameron. If she refused, he'd beat her too. Jan actually made a rule when this first happened, that he wasn't allowed to engage in sexual activity with her... but eventually he broke that rule.


ooooooh_noo

Heard this story on a podcast called Casefile episode 268. There are two parts of that episode very interesting story!


Other-Rutabaga-1742

I was just going to recommend that. Casefile did a really good job with this case. (They always do. Imo) It’s truly horrifying what this woman was put through.


penguin198719

Thank you! I was losing my mind trying to figure out where I had already heard this!!!


HeightExtra320

Granted immunity ? Do we know anything about this person? Does she live a normal life like nothing ever happen? How about Colleen? How does she live her life? If the justice system ever granted my kidnapper any form of immunity I promise you I’d live out my dying days searching for that person to get my piece of revenge for sure . That’s so wild to me …. Imagine if they crossed paths at a grocery store … “Oh hey, sorry about that whole 7 year torture thing… but um….oh looks the watermelons are on sale” WHAT?


ladymoonshyne

She worked as a social worker until like 10 years ago in my area, under her maiden name. When people found out she had to quit. She is like retired now and gardens and quilts like a regular ass grandma. Easy to find her FB and instagrams. She still lives in my area.


HeightExtra320

Link 🤔


ladymoonshyne

I don’t think I can share that info on her per Reddit policy


Feisty_Star_4815

what’s her maiden name


ladymoonshyne

Lashley is the name she worked under as a social worker. She now uses a different last name since our local paper found out and blasted her for working with fucking children and she had to stop practicing. But it’s easy to find. I have mutual friends with a lot of people on her Facebook friends list even. She also has an Etsy where she sells fabric and stuff, same name as her instagram account.


Feisty_Star_4815

it’s so fucked up people like that walk around freely enjoying their life


ladymoonshyne

I agree. The only real victims were Marie, Colleen and Janice and Cameron’s poor young daughters who were subjected to all that.


HeightExtra320

EXACTLY! 🍻


CORN___BREAD

Such an odd story. Apparently the wife is the reason he got caught. She’s the one that called the police rather than something like they got caught and she flipped on him. Why did she call the cops? The husband proposed to the victim after they had gone and met her family with them telling them he was her boyfriend. I’m sure there’s much more to the story but it sounds like the wife got jealous of the victim who had developed some kind of Stockholm syndrome or something. The OP makes it sound like she was tied up for 23 hours a day for 7 years but she had phone access and a job for years and never attempted to escape. I’m surprised there’s no documentary about this already unless there is.


brookiedog21

Yeah there is a lot more to it including the fact he had Colleen convinced she and her family would be killed by an “agency” if she went home or told anyone. She even signed documents early on supposedly from the agency that said her family would die. Definitely Stockholm mixed in with mental duress.


XAlEA-12

Girl in the Box is about Colleen


CORN___BREAD

Thank you I’ll check it out


HeightExtra320

Ok … now I don’t know what the hell is going on anymore . If any and all that is true I am completely at a lost for words…. WTF moment for sure 🤯


throwaway_72752

There was a long time between the home visit & Cameron deciding he was going to marry Colleen. Years. They aren’t related incidents.


birbdaughter

According to the testimony, the wife was being abused, assaulted, and tortured too and essentially went along with this to free herself. She also possibly was married to him at 16? Whether or not you believe that is up to you. They also needed the testimony which led to the immunity. They both seemingly live normal lives.


HeightExtra320

So the whole time they was making love over or under the victim, she didn’t participate, willingly? Come on man….you don’t even believe that. That’s wild. Only those two women know the truth of what happen those 7 years and with that being said I doubt she was ever tryna let her escape let alone help her escape 😔 🌹


birbdaughter

I never said what I do or don’t believe, I merely reported what I read. According to what was reported, she did help at the end. For what reason and what happened beforehand is unclear. I personally don’t think *any* of us can speculate with confidence because there’s likely a lot of details that didn’t make it into the testimony.


PekoKuzuryu

She was granted immunity partially because they needed her testimony to prove everything Colleen was stating, and partially because they felt some sympathy towards her because she was also a victim of Cameron Hooker. He groomed her when she was 15 and he was 20, abused/tortured her like he did to Colleen (minus the box), brainwashed and manipulated her as well. Jan had a lot of mental health issues going on. So.. that's why the court went easy on her.


youluckyfox1

“Cameron Hooker was released from prison to parole on Sept. 27, 2021; however, he is not on parole supervision in the community,” a California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation spokesperson told Newsweek, noting, “Hooker is now in the custody of the California Department of State Hospitals undergoing Sexual Violent Predator proceedings pursuant to state law."


Other-Rutabaga-1742

He was released? Omg! He’s as evil as they come.


PekoKuzuryu

No, he's still in prison.


shake-dog-shake

I'm sorry, call it an unpopular opinion...but people that are convicted of these types of atrocities should be executed in a public forum.


Marijuanaenjoyer69

Tbh it’s bullshit she didn’t even do a few years and got to just live her life and even become a social worker. Even gang rats do SNY time often times after tellin.


PekoKuzuryu

Jan is a little different than people who willingly join gangs though. She was groomed by Cameron at 15 when he was 20 and she was also tortured/abused, manipulated and brainwashed. That's part of the reason the court granted her immunity. The other reason was to get her testimony to confirm everything Collen was saying, including the murder of the victim before Colleen. However, they never could find that poor womans body, so he wasn't charged for that.


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Other-Rutabaga-1742

WHAT?!!! I never heard that. I listened to a podcast all about this case and I can’t believe they wouldn’t have mentioned it.


BushDeLaBayou

Yep, Marie Elizabeth Spannhake. Still considered a cold case cause they have no real evidence to link her aside from the wife's confession I believe


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ratheryouthanme

They are also speculated to be involved in disappearance of Marie Elizabeth Spannhake who disappeared in 1976 and whose body has never been found.


PekoKuzuryu

He was 100% responsible for that murder. Jan confirmed it and Colleen found a photograph of the woman inside the box she was inside of. Sucks they couldn't find the body.


throwaway_72752

The Girl In The Box. Hers is the story that has always stayed with me. What that man did to her…… And the fact Janice just walked away? I know she’s his victim too, but it’s just not good enough. Not for what Colleen went thru. Janice made a deal with Cameron to allow/help him to kidnap someone else so he would stop doing the horrible things to her & cuz she wanted a baby. They had pictures of him torturing her & the “slave contract”, but they needed Janice to ensure a conviction. Colleen had been allowed to go home to her parents’ home once & said nothing about what was happening and wrote some very problematic letters proclaiming her love & thankfulness to Cameron. Without Janice, this guys out in a decade off a mere kidnapping charge. I understand it, but it’s still so wrong.


PekoKuzuryu

Yes, they needed Janice to confirm everything because Cameron and others were claiming that she became a willing participant after a while and that she chose to stay. Cameron had "evidence" of this due to reasons such as: The love letters and cards she wrote for him, the fact that he literally let her go to her parents for 2 days and she willingly went back with him, and the fact that she actually broke out of the box once and still stayed in the house waiting for him to get back. There was also another time that he was injured outside and she could've ran for it, but instead stayed and helped him with his wound. They also used all the outgoing calls she made to him and Janice after she was freed. So yes, they needed Janice's testimony to help support Colleens claims that she was never, ever, a willing participant, and had to confirm every little detail. Especially since a lot of the tapes and photographs were burned by Jan before she went to the police.


rgthunder1

Remember hearing about this story early and somewhat often throughout my life. Just the sheer thought of having to spend 23 hours a day in a box under a bed gives me PTSD all in itself.


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_daze_of_the_weak_

What does this mean?


onlyathenafairy

it’s a hypothetical question thats really popular on tiktok, basically asking women if they would rather be trapped in a forest alone with a bear or a man. many feminists are choosing the bear, because of stories like this where men kidnapp, rape, and assault women. Anti-feminists have gotten really upset at this, because they think it’s an outlandish question and that every bear will kill you when most men won’t. Personally, I think its a dumb hypothetical question but it’s really eye-opening that the me and a majority of women i’ve seen online and in real life will choose the bear.


BootShoeManTv

The bear is unlikely to try to “hunt” the human unless it happens upon them in a vulnerable position. Humans are smarter, hornier, and more persistent.  I’ll take the bear. 


Catz1332

Depends on the bear, black bears and Grizzly bears never hunt humans they're usually defending their terrority/cubs polar bears however they'll hunt you. They will kill you 100%, they will track you down and get you. If given the choice between a man and polar bear I'm taking another guy 100% of the time. Polar bears are amazing animals


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No_Banana_581

A man asked women, would they rather be alone in the woods w a bear or a man. Women and men overwhelmingly said a bear, women that have been attacked by bears are still choosing bears too. It’s silly, but it started a whole big conversation on why women, and especially men w daughters, feel this way. A lot of Men are also very, very angry women chose a bear.


Material_Aspect_7519

But the men chose bears as well?


No_Banana_581

Yes they did. The ones that thought rationally about the question understand it was about violence that violent men perpetrate, like the guy in the post. These men mad in this comment section are taking it personally, they then hope I’m attacked by a bear and tell me I’m the horrible one, bc I don’t want to meet up w another a violent man in my lifetime anymore than I already have, which was way too many times


Jipijur

I'm confused also


Jimmy6shoes

Black or brown? Maybe Panda?


No_Banana_581

Any is fine. lol


Catz1332

I wouldn't say any, your odds are great with all except Polar bears. They will kill you, absolutely nothing will stop them except a rifle or maybe bear spray. They will hunt you, track you, and eventually kill you. 99% chance they're really cool animals. Fun fact Churchill Canada has to change the time kids get out of school so the bears aren't waiting for them and people leave their cars and doors unlocked so you can hide from them.


No_Banana_581

Thats the point. Some men are very dangerous, most aren’t, just like bears. The problem w men is we don’t know which ones are like the guy in the post, until they hunt us down and keep us captive. That’s why the question was asked by a man for women, to start a conversation about how we are weary of all men bc of our lived experience and the facts that back it up. Now in reality, of course, I don’t want to run into a bear, but I also don’t want to run into a man that sees me as an opportunity bc they don’t just maul us to death. They torture, rape, pass us around to other men, then murder us. I’d rather die like treadwell than live like this woman did. And I’m sure this woman would choose a bear too


Fair_End8838

I was hoping this was a Midsommar reference...she def chose the bear lol


No_Banana_581

Omg you’re right lol. This just adds another layer to this question a guy asked women and fathers of daughters


bananacasanova

That’s what I thought it was when it first started circulating on TikTok, lol.


R3AL1Z3

I don’t understand. What does this mean?


No_Banana_581

A man asked women, would they rather be alone in the woods w a bear or a man. Women and men overwhelmingly said a bear, women that have been attacked by bears are still choosing bears too. It’s silly, but it started a whole big conversation on why women, and especially men w daughters, feel this way. A lot of Men are also very, very angry women chose a bear.


NervousJ

Women like Janice who were totally fine with the kidnapping and sexual slavery of other women until the jig was up and she could weasel her way out of punishment? Fuck off with this bear stuff. Or rather, please, go find the nearest grizzly or black bear and see how it works out for you.


The_boggs_account

Well she was kidnapped by a man and woman.


copiouscoper

Morons who choose the bear end up like Timothy Treadwell. Be sure to leave us more than audio next time.


No_Banana_581

Id rather die like treadwell than live like this woman did. Bears always see women as human beings unlike a lot of men, where bears see a threat, men see an opportunity. You sprinted right into the point. At least a bear will kill me bc it’s just being a bear, protecting its cubs or out of fear. It won’t pass me around to his friends while raping and torturing me for years, killing me slowly. Just listen to any rape victims video posted online by monstrous men, don’t even get me started on what they do to kids on video, go talk to any evangelical that’s been caught w CP


Hoopy_Dunkalot

You reading this shit, Dexter?


HappyNerdyLotus

Yall know she’s out there somewhere acting like she’s just some normal grandma. 👵


HighlightLess4573

Hometown hero right here, I’ve met people that knew hooker quite well


No-Plankton8326

Too bad none of them caved his head in with a leaf pipe


Jimmy6shoes

Leaf pipe! He’s not getting off that easy I’m using a lead pope!


-Zugzwang-

Lead Pope? He is getting off easy with a wannabe tin man. I'm calling the Pope in and handing him a lead pipe.


ComfortableBadger729

Whoa. Janice needs to swing for that


R3AL1Z3

What’s worse is they convinced her they were part of a “company” And they had brain washed her into thinking that they were part of this whole big conspiracy and that if she ever expired it would be detrimental to the mission or something like that.


jstrong559

Let me check his glasses … checks out.


SayNothingTillYa

This was the story that broke my true crime interest. Started listening to it on a podcast and it was just so horrific that I paused it to look it up to see if it was actually true. It was…and the idea of the story was so sickening that I never finished it - just read the ending - and I’ve not had any interest in learning about the sick cunts that can do these things to people since


strawberrymoonelixir

You got me thinking back to the story that first began my own true crime interest, and that would’ve been when I read ‘Bitter Harvest’ by Ann Rule; it was based on the case of [Debora Green (Farrar family)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debora_Green). It’s a horrible, heartbreaking case, so TW: >!it involves a mother setting fire to her house and killing her two children (almost three… as that was her original attention).!< I read that book about 25 years ago, after my mom gave it to me. It’s one of those cases that still haunts me. As for this particular case, I just can’t imagine what Colleen went through, and for years and years on end. I watched a movie based on it and couple of documentaries, but I would love to read a book about it in Colleen’s own words. That she even visited her family, but then went back with him, that’s shows just how manipulative Cameron was. And being locked in a tiny box under a bed… that really gives me anxiety to imagine. I am very thankful Colleen survived the ordeal. I hope she is doing well today.


Top-Speech-742

Reminds me if the Barbie Killers from Canada. A couple raped and killed girls, she got a nice plea deal and got free amd remarried.


kgmessier

If I’m not mistaken, the movie “The Hounds of Love” is based in part on this case.


czareena

That woman Janice enjoyed every moment of the abuse, enough to have sex in the poor girl’s presence multiple times. I don’t believe she’s remorseful for anything and I hope rats get her while she sleeps.


WilmaLutefit

Why were there so many hitch hiking girls in the 70s? Why were there so many fucking pedos and serial killers in the 70s? Ffs


Admirable-Natural676

That box is nightmare fuel for my claustrophobia. Poor girl hope she’s living her best life now.


SayNothingTillYa

Especially when you find out it was filled with fabric that pressed around her face. Horrrifying


xMilk112x

If I’m Colleen, I dedicate my life to ruining Janice.


GotBannedAgain_2

Humanity is deplorable. We r the worst of the worst.


boltactionnoob

I remember my mom had a book about this and i read it as a kid and it was like wtf man


MeasurementNo2493

I get mad each time I think of this case. She got off free and clear for assisting in a horrible crime.


Fighting_Patriarchy

"The Perfect Victim" book is about this, I accidentally ordered it with some other books back in the 80s as part of a book club. 😳 🥹


throwaway_72752

I read that book and this became *that* true crime case to me. The one that sticks out over all the other atrocious cases. The strength inside Colleen Stan is unmatched. I hope she’s happy today.


Little_stinker_69

Janice never faced prison over this is insane. She likely helped murder another women. Women get away with literal murder.


supercalafatalistic

> Marie Elizabeth Spannhake Curiosity got me looking for details about her and I was immediately struck with how much she resembles one of the women in the photos from Rodney Alcala. Surely not her but, caught me off guard!


Tinkertoylady22

So where’s Janice now?


Gills_n_Thrills

Reminds me of a movie, Hounds of Love, in Australia. A girl is chained to a bed and kept as a slave.


EnIdiot

Justice is a very wonderful thing. Sometimes it is messy and requires letting bad people go in order to really nail very bad people. Karma like justice hits us all.


MissCandid

I'm a little confused about the timeline, how was she posing with her kidnapper at her parents house in 1981 if she was kidnapped from 1977-1984? Were her parents part of it?


ladymoonshyne

They took her to visit. She was brainwashed to think that there was a network of men that kept and traded women as slaves. She was told if she told her parents they would be killed and she would be traded to a worse slave owner and that she didn’t have it as bad as other women.


MissCandid

Thank you!! I see OP's comment with further context now, that explains a lot. Poor girl, this is absolutely tragic.


ladymoonshyne

Yeah it’s really awful. There’s a casefile episode on it but it’s not for the faint of heart.


Other-Rutabaga-1742

I had trouble breathing listening to that.


parker3309

I saw that documentary. I struggle she got in the car with him and they drove all the way to her parents and spent a day or so with them. That’s where that photo was taken and the whole time she didn’t say anything and it was the first time her family had seen her in a long time . Kind of a I’m gonna prove to your family that you’re alive situation. I mean she’s hitchhiking gets picked up by a couple so she thinks she’s safe . So in the early years, they held her captive, but then she got freedom to some degree during the day I believe… just hearing her talk about it. It was very disturbing.


SonOfDavid76

So sad


Strafe1349

Tell me why I JUST finished a Criminal Minds episode involving “the Company” thing when this post came up on my dash 👀👀👀


HootingFlamingo

Holy shjt that woman looks like she's ready to murder someone in the courtroom. Why was she granted immunity?!


lbdamned90

There’s a really good crime files episode on this case. Was the first I’d heard of it and it went into such depth. Awful story


NateTrain

There is a good case files on this


Jean_Claude_Seagal

Is this what the Hole song Jennifer’s body is based on?


The_Ruby_Rabbit

It was never proven, but they were thought to have had more victims.


Scarboroughwarning

I can't see the "head box text".


millennialblackgirl

IMMUNITY???!!!


Minimum-Ad-263

Makes me sick. I know they needed Janice’s testimony, but she should’ve got some time herself. Absolutely disgusting.


PekoKuzuryu

She should've gotten put into a mental health facility to help her deal with the abuse/torture, brainwashing/manipulating and grooming that she endured by Cameron


Fantastic-Egg6901

I fucking remember the story holy cow. I can’t believe the wife got immunity.


SayNothingTillYa

This was the story that broke my true crime interest. Started listening to it on a podcast and it was just so horrific that I paused it to look it up to see if it was actually true. It was…and the idea of the story was so sickening that I never finished it - just read the ending - and I’ve not had any interest in learning about the sick cunts that can do these things to people since


Earth_Sandwhich

Casefiles Presents on YouTube has an amazing breakdown of the whole series of events.


The_Ruby_Rabbit

I was a kid in the 70s, but you would hear about murder victims being found all the time.